Fallout Trailer Deep-Dive: My Thoughts on Characters, Lore, & Tone
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- I breakdown the latest trailer for Prime TV's Fallout show. The trailer has alleviated some of my fears, and raised a few new ones.
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The idea that a actor who played a cowboy becomes a cowboy in the apocalypse because that's his only reference for a tough person is actually a pretty interesting character origin. I'm not expecting gold here, just an attempt, and I'm pretty satisfied with what I'm seeing.
Just curious, what are your opinions now?
I don't know if it'll be good or not, but making Walton Goggins a ghoul is a good move. He's the kind of actor where the more outlandish the role the better, and you just wind him up and let him go. I suspect the Ghoul is going to be one to watch.
I'm in agreement with you there.
I just hope that the trailer isn't showing the good parts of the show about him, and then in the story, they essentially castrate his character to support the one of, or both of, the other two.
He looks like he is having fun with the role and that's a good sign. sm
I see his Ghoul as VERY similar to the role he played in Justified.
I'm definitely excited for walton's ghoul
It was brilliant.
A flip up visor would explain how we can chug Nuka and devour Cram while helmeted! ;)
This!
Excellent argument!
It does also give it that "old world knight" vibe. Where the old helmets had a flip up/down visor.
Tho from a technical standpoint. The studio probably had to make the helmet part of the chest piece as one of the props for the primary shoots. PA helms are big, and awkward. They probly had to do it for quality of the shoot purposes. So that it looked more natural when the actor was moving around, instead of not fitting well, and kinda doing it's own thing.
Also eliminates clipping from putting it on and taking it off, over and over.
The hinge gets me on this one honestly. There is a damn hinge there so how could it not open.
Would be interesting if during the bombing the Ghoul took his family to the only place he thought safe, Vault 4. Only to find out it wasn't actually bomb proof and looses his family, himself, turning into a Ghoul and so becoming extremely bitter resenting those who actually went to real vaults
that's very dark and I love it. Vault 4 could've just been a demonstration vault or it turned out to have a bad experiment that killed most people
@@101Phase Like almost every other vault? 😆
I think survivors of almost all of the 'real' vaults would have every right to be bitter and resentful too, though having Vault 4 be a fake vault that he thought was real is a new twist.
@@pcppbadminton in the case of Cooper Howard, I think it's more likely that he took his daughter to Vault 4 but was not allowed in, just like what happened to the Vault-Tec Rep in FO4. If you look very carefully at the Ghoul's outfit, he's STILL wearing the same cowboy jacket underneath his trenchcoat after 200 years. I think what happened was he lost his daughter to the wasteland and coupled with his transformation left him a broken man unable to let go of his glorious past (hence why we see him watching his old shows and trying to live as if his final movie role was real). I predict that he will be a combination of the Sole Survivor if he never got frozen, Raul from New Vegas in that he's playing a vigilante role, and Lilly the Nightkin (i.e. holding onto a remnant of their old lives to remind themselves who they used to be)
I was thinking maybe his daughter was let in and later on, they went out and she moved to the other Vault making Lucy his descendant or something. It seemed like her Vault either went out to explore or has a situation where they had to leave the Vault. If it's the former, they could have come across another Vault in the past.
He should have tightened his family so that he wouldn't loose them.
The Shady Sands library shot if paused, gives me massive F1/F2 Bad ending slide vibes.
Fallout Ending Voice: “Despite a lengthy history of expansion and civilization, the capital of the NCR was obliterated by Nuclear Weaponry, sent by the hands of a reinvigorated and vengeful Brotherhood of Steel.”
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Me: damn I forgot to do that 1 side quest and now I got the worst outcome. guess I gotta start over.
@@tuxedeoboi9155
Lol, literally fallout 2 xD
I have to admit, I would be pretty devastated with the tv show if they destroyed the NCR or reduced it to a fraction of its former self. I’m really hoping that the trailer shot is misleading and is a dream or hallucination of a character. I mean I’d be okay if it was just Shady Sands that was destroyed by a localised one time event such as bombs or a nuke but everywhere else is okay.
I mean I’m not blind and I can see that the NCR has flaws and problems. All the factions and civilisations do. Yet after watching every episode of Oxhorn’s videos on 1 and 2 and have played 3, NV and 4 the NCR gives me the most hope of all the factions. A real proper civilisation rising from the ashes of the US.
And since my Courier has high intelligence and is a warrior scientist who explored every inch of Big MT she could give the NCR a big technological advantage. Then again I kinda wrote my own custom ending. Imagine if the Courier had taken over the the Lucky 38 with Yes Man and used the securitron army to support the NCR control to help them stabilise the NCR’s expansion into Mojave.
@@mikoto7693 you know it’s entirely possible the NCR is still fine they just lost Los Angeles
That ghouls backstory is impressive if im being honest
Seriously that's really damn cool. I didn't catch it being the same actor at all
To be honest, isn't his backstory just the same as the Sole Survivor minus being frozen?
@@101Phase well the soul survivor wasnt an actor he was a retired soldier. While this guy was an actor who helped promoting vault tec without the knowledge of what they truly wanted. It wasnt pleasent realising what vault tec truly was. He also survive atleast 200years in the wasteland while the soul survivor were frozen saved from the hostile nature of it. This guy has a potencial of be stronger than most of the main characters from the games. And we dont really knew this guy
@@101Phase. Not really.
@@101Phasemore like the vault tech sales rep you meet at the beginning of Fallout 4
I’m cautiously optimistic.
honestly i don’t give a damn if it sucks, i’m gonna watch every episode 😂
im still entirely pessimistic
could be woke shit, probably
@@TheMaulam12345pretty sure it will tbf
With Todd himself executive producing, I think that's adequate.
What could have happened to Shady Sands... * shows the nukes from Lonesome Road *... 😉
That only hit a road linking ncr to Nevada
Really😂 you think nukes are that harmless😂
That simple artillery crater.
nah. That crater is too small for a nuke. There is also no signs of rebuilding/development in Shady Sands or The Boneyard. This goes against Fallout 1, 2 and NV lore.
Yeah, too bad New Vegas is no longer canon though thanks to this show.
@@Maverick-7508Based on what? There's nothing that says NV isn't cannon, and they've officially announced it is cannon. One little conflict in the lore doesn't mean it's all been thrown in the bin, it just means it needs explaining or altering to match. Hell, the games have had contradicting lore in them before, and that didn't have people claiming it made them non cannon.
If they more or less wiped out the NCR I'm going to be pretty sad, Bethesda have such a hard on for the Brotherhood of Steel it might as well be its own IP of just super soldiers fighting each other
Actually if you pay attention in New Vegas basically if the courier did not get involved the NCR might have lost there. As pointed out by House Ceasar the head of the rangers and many NCR citizens the NCR has grown too big too fast and there is alot of internal infighting. I felt the NCR days as number. For all we know is the NCR could of collapse from inside and the BoS took up the power vacuum.
Honestly the NCR failing in this TV show is not surprising at all. Their failure was inevitable. The NCR was making the same mistakes as the old world USA. Political corruption, high taxes, just taking what they want, being stretched too thin, and in a massive amount of debt. Even Marcus himself mentions that a revolution could spark against the NCR. It’s very possible that Arthur Maxson used all of this to his advantage to defeat them. Plus I’m cool with the BOS they add a lot more fun sparks to the franchise in my opinion.
@@LedeannaCalthat is true but it is well established that the brotherhood has a weak presence on the West Coast despite being where they originated from, the NCR defeated the Brotherhood at Helios One, and on top of all that, they controlled nearly if not all of California and should have sufficient enough technology to repel the brotherhood.
That being said, you do have a point with the flaws of the NCR, they spread themselves too thin, expanded too fast and have proven they suffer the same problems of corruption that the pre-war government suffered. It looks like from what we can see in the trailer that somehow a new conflict between the two factions fractured the NCR's hold on California.
I just hope they can explain this well enough because the brotherhood does care about stealing tech, but they aren't looking to rebuild anything.
@@LedeannaCal Actually looking at the failures of both factions in NV, both sides wouldn’t have won the war at Hoover dam. Both factions were strong but had weaknesses that could easily destroy them in battle. People give Caesars army way too much credit. Yes they’re strong but they have their own cracks in their armor. I think that without the courier the battle for Hoover dam would be very similar to the Antz termite battle. Both sides just end up destroy and then Mr. House would use this ruin to his advantage to take back his robot army from the Fort.
It would not shock me. We got the option to nuke the NCR in New Vegas Lonesome Road and now Shady Sands is a crater.....Hmmmm.
I hope Ron Pearlman gets a cameo he's been in every fallout game it would be a crime to not have him at least have a cameo or better yet make him a villain maybe a leader of an enclave or something
Season 2 plot
I have to agree Ron Pearlman would be great for the Brother hood personal opinion lol
yuck
@@crushthedemoniac why 🤮
If we don't at least hear his voice saying "War, war never changes", they've lost out on an incredible moment...
Seeing the the lonesome road silos made me think, what if Ulysses bombed sandy sands alongside the legion canonically.
That is possible, He didn’t think either faction was the future for humanity but I think he said the NCR was the lesser of the two evils. I think the courier also might have helped him.
@@WaveForcefulwhat? No lol he deeply hated NCR while he still had a lot of respect for Caesar’s Legion. He was a psycho.
@@jakespacepiratee3740and a massive yapper, but as cass said "once NCR gets their nuts kicked a bit (shady sands nuked or smth) they'll get their heads out of their ass"
The NCR finally gets their shit together and has to fight the east coast of possibly the midwestern chapter to reconsolidate California
i dont think bethesda deserves to play god with New vegas, Fallout 3 and 4 had obvious cannon endings every faction hated the institute in 4 but new vegas in unique its special
@@classified2430everyone hated the Legion in Fallout New Vegas too.
Steven Russell could still be in it. He was the most common, probably default, voice for Handy units, but not the only one. The ones at General Atomics Galleria have different voices, with Crisp the bakery clerk even mentioning his own voice and personality and naming it as one of the options. They can also be reprogrammed to have new voices, as the supervisors at Greygarden and Handy units manning the USS Constitution were.
I predict that the NCR situation is mostly down to the following series of events:
1. West Coast BoS received an airship from the East Coast
2. NCR military was diverted to Mojave, leaving homeland vulnerable. This can be true regardless of New Vegas's ending, since even if they won they would've diverted their forces to consolidate and chase down the Legion remnants
3. BoS uses the new airship to bomb Shady Sands in a surprise attack
4. NCR government is eliminated and central authority breaks down
5. NCR military is still formidable but become fragmented, possibly with influential commanders each backing opposing figures for political power. For all we know, each state has declared themselves the new capital and are at war with each other
6. BoS exploits the chaos to renew the war, targeting isolated NCR outposts like the Griffith Observatory. This allows them to finally overcome the NCR's superior numbers thanks to the new fragmentation of the NCR military
that is actually a good theory. i would sign that
Will leave room for ceaser legion to take over
It's still dogshit
@@tomfox9083 Not if the FO:NV Lonesome Road nukes were used against both the NCR and Legion. Would explain why Shady Sands is now a crater.
@@six248Not really. The nukes were targeted on NCR and Legion’s primary supply lines to the Mojave, cutting them off and irradiating them to be untronversable.
It would be cool if the NCRs situation is a result of the couriers or Ulysses actions from Lonesome Road.
Yeah, From what I could remember, Ulysses didn't think either the Legion or NCR were the future for Humanity but said the NCR is the lesser evil. Perhaps he chose to wipe out both.
@@MttkRaimonlook at the es series with shivering isles which had something major which was referenced later in Skyrim
Them connecting back to lonesome road isn’t far fetched at all
I think the thing with the NCR, is just a evolution of the problem we already saw in New Vegas, the republic having spread it self way too thin, and thus can't send its elites to every zone, who knows they might even still be fighting heavy fights in the mojave depending on what ending they choose to canonize, as for the power armor and vertibirds, the if I remember correct the NCR looted both from both the Enclave and Brotherhood skirmishes and thus they only have a finite amount of both, and so what we see here might just be a local militia backed up by a few trained NCR troopers (que random cowboyhat guy with the machete in the NCR shot)
Yeah I think the standing NCR has been driven out of Los Angeles with only some civilian militias and surviving soldiers continuing guerrilla warfare.
I must have had 100 guys like that in my settlements lol
But LA is right in the heart of NCR territory, which they've had for more than 100 years. They shouldn't be having the same issues back home that they had in the Mojave. Those people who haven't played Fallout 2 don't seem to grasp that the NCR isn't just a smattering of beleaguered soldiers in a handful of scattered camps here and there. It's an entire nation with a population of about 700,000.
@@Thagomizeractually the population in Fallout 2 was 700,000 but 40 years in New Vegas with all of Northern California the population probably would of bumped up to 1.4-1.5 million.
One explanation (I hypothesize) for having a pile of old cars which all looked like... the actual old cars from our timeline in that 1 scene, is that it was actually dumping ground of cars with internal combustion engines (ICE) -- after the divergence in the FO timeline, that the popularity of nuclear powered cars like the Corvega, resulted in ICE cars being rapidly replaced. Lucy just happened upon an old ICE car graveyard where they were waiting to be scraped.
That’s a good theory about the cars. However we know nearly all post-war Corvegas are basically mini-nukes that will go off if you sneeze too hard while close to one.
@@travish6727Indeed! Maybe someone did sneeze while parking their Corvega next to the Shady Sands Library... 😅
I said the same yesterday when I first saw this video, the comment's in the pile somewhere.
@@korstmahlerGreat minds think alike! 😁👍
I thinks its more because of time, they would have to design and make a lot of Corvega cars and its Amazon so they are probably on a time crunch. Good theory though.
Im personally a bit sceptical about the shady sands crater part, becuase you can see a destroyed city in the background with skyscrapers and such, and since shady sands wasnt located near a former settlment (if I remember correctly) I think its just a easter egg for the real fallout fans. Also because I doubt that the ncr would be capable of building skyscrapers on their own and Im not even sure we will visit shady sands at all in the show since its still a good bit away from LA. Then again, who knows, I guess well just have to wait...
I’m running with the theory that this is a red herring. That this “Shady Sands” sign is just some library in the LA area in this universe and was specifically used to make us think the NCR is in a bad shape.
@@N7_Imperator yes, I think thats more likely too...
Whether the name is a production Easter egg or not, the library in that shot is far more likely to be the one that the Followers of the Apocalypse ran in FO1, which used to sit near the Master's Cathedral before the Cathedral got nuked. That crater is probably from that event, given the location.
@@filthycasual8187 Didnt even think of that, thats actually a cool theory
@@commandergreetv753 also 'public library'. That screams pre-war. I don't think there's anything post-war that is mentioned to be public utilities freely open for the taxpaying citizen like that.
I have a theory that might actually be a spoiler. As the bombs drop, Walter Goggins' character and his family try to rush into a vault, thinking they have a free ticket since he worked as a spokesperson for Vault-Tec (and I'm sure that's what they told him). However, Vault-Tec being a Vault-Tec, they are turned away, which is essentially a slap in the face. His family perishes but he manages to survive.
I've only started playing fallout 4 years ago. The first game I played was 76. I was more interested in 4 when my husband was watching someone play it. I actually waited until 3 and nv was on game pass. Then I started playing it. That's when I got further into the games. And once I played 4, I fell in love with games. To where I purchased 1 and 2 for my computer to try out and play. I'm excited about fllout london and the TV show. It looks more promising than the witcher and other games that were made into tv shows.
Awesome to see someone else who's actually played 1 and 2
@@spiffygonzales5160Yeah
I think the disappearing of the NCR is because of the lonesome road mix ending when the courier bomb NCR and Cesar, (but hey that's just a theory a game/movie theory)
I wonder if the brotherhood of steel will be considered villains in the show. I mean if they destroyed the NCR and made LA and shady sands look like that, it would mean they killed 100 of thousands of people, destroyed infrastructure, and made people live in shack towns like the one in the trailer. The brotherhood just did the work for the Enclave to be honest. This is why they should have based the show in Texas or something. That would be really cool.
They’re already villains, Minute men din’t want geneicide, the brotherhood did, even if it means dence dieing
Hey Ox! The dog's name is CX404 according to the official figure pack which will be released by Modiphius entertainment.
One crazy thought i've had with the image of Shady Sans and a Crater.... What if they choose that the canonical ending for Longsome Road were that the Courier activate the nukes on the NCR territory (Maybe Legion too) ?
This could explain why the NCR seems to be in disarrey?
Yes but It would have to be both. If you choose just one you only target supply lines if you choose both you get this ending comment in the slides. "The Divide erupted in fire, violent, red as the last message of the two Couriers arced into the sky... The missiles rained like spears down on the land, burning flags and communities alike... destroying all they struck."
@@six248 Ohh good point.
Well, two Couriers whom set the new world on fire.
I could see a song about that.
@@The-Red-Menace So words have no meaning is what you are saying? LMAO! When compared to the very specific words of supply lines and the Long 15 if you just choose one, I would say communities and Flags mean something else entirely.
From the trailer: Looks right.
From the interviews: uhh....
From the show: nailed it.
I was shocked how perfect the show was.
Matt Berry's charature in the tv show version of What We do In The Shadows is amazing.
Kinda want a mini series that follows life in a vault
yes! Or if not ONE particular vault, i like the idea of each episode takes place in a different vault. Theres so much source material to use from the games. Some vaults are really f'ed up and could make for great tension filled episodes.
An Oxhorn video to start my Saturday.
Besides BoS, maybe in this version of Fallout (which is canon?) The Legion dealt a major blow to NCR at the Battle of Hoover Dam (probably unlike most players who probably sided with NCR to beat the Legion in FO:NV), and thus BoS took advantage of that and kicked the NCR even more while they're weak?
00:56 The guy in the Power Armor fighting The Ghoul, I believe is indeed Maximus, because his PA has a claw scratch mark on its chest - from fighting a Yao Guai (based on another clip). I suppose that's the filmmaker's way to distinguish the "Hero" PA from others.
I really hope the minutemen ending is the cannon ending.
if this even takes into account the established timeline, its save to assume the BoS won in FO4, build a copy of the Prydwynn and send it back to the Westcoast loaded with troops and blueprints to reinforce the Westcoast BoS
@@sternencolonel7328I mean considering the airship was built out of the remains of the enclave mobile crawler from three, there shouldn't be a second one. The Brotherhood also do not care about Nation building so it stands to reason the Minutemen ending is canon. The minutemen winning just make sense, they are unironically the strongest faction in fallout, next to the Legion and NCR.
I really hope the institute ending is canon.
We can continue Westworld that way.
Which one? There's two.
@@oexterminatuso778that’s what I’m saying, the Brotherhood have very little interest about the people of the commonwealth, so much so that they actively show aggression towards them. Even if they won in Fallout 4, their numbers would not “bolster”, they would grow a bit since they would have ended up destroying the largest threat, the Institute, but in doing so they basically become the second biggest threat in the Wasteland, making them a target for all the settlers and people of the commonwealth who don’t want to be taken advantage of by the BoS, which would then bolster the number of minutemen and cause even more deaths for the BoS, which again are not easily replaceable because they do not care for nation building or helping the people of the places they control.
You are the only source of information for this show and I really trust your research process (knowing your videos) so I actually am excited to watch the show now. Thank you :D
11:07 Good catch the Mr. Handy is played by Matt Berry! Love that dude! So excited, although yeah... would be perfect if they used Stephen Russell (Codsworth) instead.
BTW, the producer in Toast of London is Tim Downie, who also plays Gale in Baldur's Gate 3!
He’s the guy who voice Dr. Mobius in FNV, right?
@@jakespacepiratee3740Have to look this up myself, looks like Dr. Mobius in Old World Blues is voiced by a diff VA named Cam Clarke.
Theres been so many bad "game to show" cases now that I am holding my horses.
Who else is watching after the show came out
"Everyones the hero of their own story" - Handsome Jack
I think Lucy is the ghoul's descendant. He saves his daughter by taking her to Vault 33 cause it was closest to the film set that he was at, but they only take her daughter and not him.
Apparently there are three, yes THREE linked vaults. 31,32 and 33 so should be interesting what angle this Vault Tec experiment takes.
I am also not surprised at the downturn of the NCR. They were doing the classic mistake of expansion without keeping supply lines or even their frontline well supplied.
Their was major issues with them in NV with the way the fights were going, bringing in crop share civvies when they have yet to neutralise the enemy right in front of them (The Legion) who happily pop over and infiltrate the area all the time. The citizens were not happy, there was major corruption and all it takes is a well placed bomb from a sympathiser or anyone (remember the monorail one?) to scupper their plans. They were fond of committing atrocities and angering locals by simply coming in and taking over (Khans and GoodSpring) and if someone like Mr House won? Then they are going to be in trouble.
The Brotherhood who Steal also have another major Airship, they have Optimus Prime, sorry Liberty Prime, advanced tech and having an airship drop a normal non nuke on Shady Sands to achieve their objective? Sure would not put it past them, they have no issues killing you if you have tech they want (Outcasts cut the arm off a Gary clone simply to get a pip boy or try and kill you to stop you being given a suit of white power armor), they are Tech Zealots who see anyone not them as in the way.
It has been 15 or so years since NV and 9 since Fallout 4 a lot of things can change in a short time, especially when Vault Dwellers are around.
I predicted a Third NCR-Brotherhood war. I have a feeling what I said in my previous comment on the last video will come to pass due to technology received from the East and the NCR’s weakened positions from New Vegas, either from a House, Legion, or Independent Victory. Could even be that they won in New Vegas but they were so overstretched they couldn’t fight back effectively against a reinvigorated Brotherhood. Or it could have been a tragic accident which resulted in the destruction of Shady Sands and led to the war. I’d love to hear thoughts on this. Personally, I think the House ending is canon
new vegas lore colours the NCR as a corupt and overstretched and the brothehood passive whit those ho aren't breaking away and doing there own thing but maxson seems to be persistint enough to get them together and that airship look way to close like the prydwin
Oh with Arthur Maxson in charge, I have no doubt that there is a war with the NCR again. He’s probably disgusted with the political corruption with the faction and has this overzealous glorious speech about “starting fresh on the West Coast”. Plus NV does give hints here and there that they will fail eventually like you said. Even Marcus the super mutant gives a hint that there’s gonna be trouble for the NCR in the long run. I mean is anyone surprised they keep on making the same mistakes as the old world USA? They’ve learned nothing.
In New Vegas Lonesome Road we got the option to nuke the NCR. Perhaps that is why Shady Sands is a crater now. I also believe House ending is canon as Robert House is listed in the Amazon Prime Credits.
I think this is set to be between the time of FO2 and NV. The fighting in this series likely shows the NCR driving the Brotherhood out of California and sending them on their way to Vegas.
@@seanmcelroy6222it’s already confirmed the show takes place after Fallout 4 in the 2290s
I think it’s possible that the shady sands thing could just be a reference. It’s not actually a crater at the city we knew in 1 and 2. It’s just the name of the library
I am so cautiously optimistic, but everytime I watch the trailer I get more excited. I have decided that April 11th will be a day off, so I can binge, and not read or see any spoilers! OX, As always Great Breakdown!!
Honestly one of the good things about making Walter Goggins a ghoul is that it really challenges him, irl. Wearing makeup and prosthetics in a show is hard goddamn work. You can't half-ass that kind of role. You have to sit in a chair for hours a day, every single day of the shoot. Its extremely demanding on actors, and IMO typically results in performances worth all that effort.
If anyone disagrees, imagine doing your day job wearing a Halloween mask that's been glued to your face and smells like chemicals, and you have to be at peak performance like that every day for three months.
I hope it pays off for him, Walter Goggins has always been a great actor.
He's one of my favorite "OH it's that guy!" in movies, and I was so hyped to see him catch a main role
The look of Rings of Power was pretty spot on, but we all know what the quality of that series has been.
The channel this is being launched on is a huge red flag and the show runners own comments are another. I hope the show is great, but right now I am very doubtful about how good this will be.
@@waltt69How exactly are their comments a red flag? What have they said that gives you that impression?
The look? It's def not as it's vastly different from the lotr movies.
For instance elves is more dirty and humanlike in the series while they are outwordly and with a glowing aura in the movies.
Also the showrunners expressed hatred to the source material like in witcher
6:40 maybe lonesome road ending with missiles targeting NCR happened
The show takes place 219 years after the bombs fell. So the year is 2296. 15 years after Fallout: New Vegas. A lot can happen in 15 years time and the NCR had it's problems internally as well as externally with the Brotherhood of Steel at Lost Hills and Caesar's Legion to the East of Hoover Dam.
"You never chose dog meat, dog meat chooses you!"
*laughs in fallout 1*
It'd be cool to see the original Dogmeat pop in for a hot minute. Find a Australian cattle dog like from The Road Warrior to play the part. Maybe one of the characters dons a leather jacket and puff! Or should I say woof!
To me, the ghoul is representative of new vegas, Maximus is there for the 3 vibes and Lucy is there for the 4 fans. They each have a different tone to showcase the different styles of the 3 newer games. The larger world and story seems to be more aligned with 1 and 2. I’m excited to share this thing that I have loved so much with friends and family that would never play the games but will definitely watch a show.
How is Lucy Fallout 4?
If anything lucy is fallout 3 but more amata than the lone wanderer considering her father is the overseer
@@taylemgames2652 idk, it’s just the vibe I get. She just looks more commonwealth than capital wasteland. Like she’s going to be the main protagonist who has the big story arc plus she’s a farmer already. Maximus shoots the guns and that feels more like 3 to me. I could see some mixed elements like her being raised in a vault like the hero of 3 and Maximus does have power armor that looks more like 4. Now you have me second guessing myself. I guess I just see what people like about each of the 3 games represented well in the 3 main characters.
@@BenjamenMcCauleyno I fully agree with you. Maximus feels like 3 as the BoS was central to the story. And Lucy does feel like 4 as Nora/Nate’s position as a Vault Dweller is constantly referenced.
yeah i highly doubt that's shady sands sign is anything but a reference/red herring especially with the show being based almost completely in LA and that's a prewar ruin cityscape not matching the walled city with one story brick and abode houses of NCR city we seen before (who only had 3k people in FO2, so like maybe in the 10ks by now).
PS they have already revealed the dog is " CX404" and is a good girl.
Could be a much higher population now due to the economic changes the NCR experienced from 2241-2281/2296, it could have seen a massive growth in its population due to urbanization and industrialization
@@prezmeji5641 yeah but that's a pre-war size ruin city there, if they intended that to be NCR city, it's implying that it just the capital had a population in the multiple millions (with NCR's 700K total population in FO2).
Like we'll see next month but doing NCR city dirty with a generic ruin city like would be so disappointing/out of character with how much love they putting into the sets.
@@nonamegiven202 no exactly, lore wise the Capital of the ncr was a new city, it’s possible that the ncr built up the city into something way bigger than was shown in 2241 in fallout 2, I would assume population growth, and economic development and shifts throughout the decades have left the place unrecognizable, I want to see what happened to the city if it’s true that it got nuked/blown up or if it’s just something else, only time will tell with the show coming out in less than a month
Cars not looking like cars from the games is fine for the show. It's cheaper than building cars that look like those from the games. Same with the "Iron Man" flip up face on the power armor helmet.
Hey Ox, maybe at least some of the cars are pre-atomic conversion cars left to rot?
I know that doesn't excuse the ones in the streets though...
My very first thought, was seeing the way that they were lined up, that she was moving through a small junkyard. Or possibly came across a collection of old pre-nuke cars.
Netflix Avatar: What is tone?
I hope the NCR is still a fairly large player in this show. Similar to other sci-fi like warhammer, I don't really want any side to completely wipe out the other. Smaller victories and losses against eachother are good and often interesting but I feel like the BoS and NCR work so well as factions because they both have strengths and weaknesses that make for great storytelling and to lose one of them would take away a lot of options in my opinion. Its not like the institute or ceasar's legion which were relatively small factions that didnt have any influence on other regions of the US. I hope this is just another war/battle between the 2 and they both end up damaged but still alive
i hope they add teddy bears scattered in the wasteland like the one sitting on the toliet in fo4 lol
im really interested to learn why the main character has to leave the vault. obviously im guessing its to find somebody since the director was a fallout 3 fan. But what if its something else? what if its to find something for the vault? a water chip or a geck or something new that we haven't heard about. something they need to find to keep the power running?
There are scenes of fighting and conflict in the vault in the first trailer, and Lucy already has some small injuries when she leaves for the first time (the blonde vault dweller with the eyepatch in this one is seen with a fork in that eye in the first one). The showrunners have said that there is a "mcguffin" that all three of the main players (Lucy, The Ghoul, and Maximus) are looking for, for their own reasons.
@richardyoung3462 oh thanks I have missed some details in the other trailers. I was just going by what's in this video. also Kyle Mclachlan being shown in the vault made me think he's the father of Lucy. so like in 3 he goes missing and she has to look for him. see where I'm coming from? still thanks for the info
@@amiandivh It's been confirmed he is Lucy's father. In the first trailer, he is shown on the other side of windowed door pressing his hand against the glass, so it's likely they are separated during the internal struggle.
On a side note, I think Maximus is a Legion survivor that lost to the NCR, and was "rescued" by the BoS, when he was a child.
Wich one is the the MC??@@amiandivh
I think we can safely assume that the BoS won the war for the commonwealth, reconnected with the midwest chapter and set out to conquer the west
It really helps having a director that is passionate about their work and we can definitely see a sneak peek of that with Jonathan Nolan. Huge bonus that he not only played the games, but absolutely loves them, so I feel a bit more confident that this will be a banger.
Thats amazing general, but I got word of another settlement that needs your help I'll mark it on your map
(The fact that i didn't have to tipe half of that is amazing its saved to the keyboard)
My first reaction was this is gonna suck but I've shifted to cautious optimism and will be giving the show a chance
I lmao when I saw they made the exact same casting mistake as the horribly failed Brotherhood of Steel PS2 game that everyone hates so much. Your main characters in both are an unnecessarily attractive over confident woman, a rotting ghoul that thinks he's clever and the cliche racial stereotype angry buff/powerful black guy.
As long as the writers don’t put their own agenda in to the series and sticks to lore I think it will have a good run
@@elijahbrown8675This is co-exec-produced by Todd "I shit on lore" Howard. Take a guess.
That’s about where I am. We’ll find out soon. Hopefully it’s better than most of the video game adaptation shows we’ve been getting. 🤞
If you like slop that pisses on everything built in the first two games, sure, you might enjoy this.
I absolutely love Walter Goggins, his addition to this show alone makes me want to watch it!
I don’t think that’s the actual shady sands, the clip shows a large pre war city and large tower blocks, that doesn’t make sense for the shady sands we see in the original games and their maps, which showed cities where they indeed were.
I think it was just an Easter egg designed to get us talking.
Did a brief Google search months ago when the first trailer dropped. The dog isn't who we know as Dogmeat. Dog's a Belgin Malinois called Cx404 🐶✨️
Ah the Mr. Handy voice is Lazlo! Lmao from What we do in the Shadows! 😂
Hey i just noticed from the trailer, they don't show any super mutants so maybe they haven't been introduced in the first season. They could be saving them for a later time.
I think the Brotherhood's newfound interest in nation building(or at least meddling), and their subsequent victory makes sense when you take Arthur Maxson into account. He's commonly noted as the catalyst or driving force behind half of modern BoS projects, and regarded almost as a prophet meant to set the Brotherhood straight. Other members often bring attention to how much Maxson changed the group when he became its leader.
Istg if the NCR just magically dissapears because bethesda says "one city gets nuked so entire thing go boom" then I'm flipping out though I do think the concept of the NCR taking stock and fighting against a returning east coast BOS who are leading an armored spearhead to lost hills is an incredible idea
Vertibird dogfighting anyone? Also I still think the NCR forces we see are the NCR police/national guard and they are far from helpless, notice the crashing vertibird in the background (possibly shot down by NCR anti aircraft guns or vehicles?)
A friend of mine sent me the article about Johnathan Nolan's comments with the phrase "I'm out". I'm not even sure if he read the article. It just goes to show how fans have been treated in the past by executives.
Matt Berry as a alternative Mr Handy voice is kind of a chad move...
Also another factor that's going to be a key factor... viewers are not the star... they ultimately have no influence of what actually happens.
For me, as long as it has the atmosphere and a "possible" lore... i'm in and am going to enjoy it.
Also... i think VT Plan B Drug... is actually original Rad-X... New origin lore!?
All i need in the series is small doses of isolated moments, that quiet exploration instances where you are seeing things and piece together what happened to a place. If they also manage to not have the protagonist narrate those connections, that's another sign of respect to the audience's IQ.
6:03 I think we might see the Mysterious Stranger is some capacity because the case file on them in Nick Valentine’s office in Fallout 4 says “Shady Sands (really old rumors)”.
I hope there will be Supermutants.
If they're handled correctly.
What is "lore accurate" about what they're wearing? It looks like someone looted a LARP store not at all like the NCR
Also as long as Emil isn't writing it, it shouldn't be too bad i suppose.
fucking cringed when he said that, like how can you not see that these are cosplay tier costumes.
I like how Nolan said what he said. "Fools errand to please the fans." He himself is a fan! He made a show that he thought would be the best outcome. We need more producers and show runners like that. Producers who KNOW what they want and see it. And then make it.
if you have a 240hz or 120hz TV, don't be surprised if it drops to 40-50hz during high activity scenes. It is part of the show
Honestly, looking at this show as kind of its own thing, I'm really excited. It might not be 100% lore accurate or whatever, but it's capturing the vibe and thesis of the series really well.
Makes me wonder if “shady sands” was the name of the library and they will use that as the name of the town. Kinda like how they named Novac and a couple other towns. Not sure. Will be cool to see
One of the reasons why I love the Fallout series is, the main Antagonists. The Master, Frank, Col Autumn, Caesar, and Shaun have their own goals where they thought they were doing the right thing based on their own belief. Sometimes you will think that their motives were right but the outcome or ways were wrong. In the Fallout TV series, it shows that the main Antagonist is the corporation of Vault tech itself so looking forward to the next season and hopefully other games will take note of this on how to make a good game live adaptation series.
Do others agree with the following: any game-to-video adaptation would be boring if it slavishly followed the backstory of the source material. It would become just an exercise in confirming what we already knew?
I would prefer a show that adds to the lore [e.g. the Vault-Tek Plan B bottles fit very well] and even takes liberties with extant lore [e.g. The NCR]. Such shows become more interesting to watch IMO.
But, as Oxhorn said here, TONE is important. The tone needs to land true. It didn't for The Witcher but I am quietly confident it will for Fallout.
I am very much looking forward to watching it.
I hope we get an answer about jet being pre war or post war.
One glaring ommision I couldn't help but notice is the lack of nuka cola and caps
They are in the west. Maybe just maybe(probably not) they’re using NCR currency
Cappy
This lends credence to Dogmeat being an immortal android/cyborg.
My 2 cents is that the samurai guy on Mothership Zeta accidentally nuked Shady Sands. While all the vertibirds were stationed there for an NCR festival. IMO it would fit the occasional absurdity of the series.
Shadysands becoming a crater may make sense - if the Lonesome Road's Apocalypse ending is now the canon ending. In it you have to prevent nuclear missiles from being launched at the local HQs and army centers of the NCR and the Legion. If you fail - or purposefully target one or both of them - then one or both sides become ruined. If that is now the canon ending then the NCR and the Legion were locally decapitated and disarmed - and the Brotherhood of Steel - after getting an infusion of new energy, people, and tech from the east coast branch (the second Prydwen) then rose to become the dominate power in southern CA. The NCR likely still rules northern CA - and is trying to take back the south from the Brotherhood.
As for the Brotherhood and the 2nd Prydwen... It can be argued that Fallout 4's canon ending is now limited to those in which they survived (ie choosing the Brotherhood or choosing a Minutemen ending that does not target the Brotherhood). But it can also be argued that the Brotherhood may have left a contingent in the Capital Wasteland (where the Prydwen was built), and the remnants of the Brotherhood (after the Prydwen was destroyed) fell back to there, regrouped with those left behind, and built a 2nd Prydwen. So either the 2nd was built after their success - and sent west to help reunite the two branches, or the 2nd was built by those left behind and all of the east coast brotherhood used it to fall back and reunite with the west coast Brotherhood.
Or, at least, that is my take on it. We'll soon see how close I am to being right.
@@The-Red-Menace with the crater at shady sands, I think it might have been a retaliation strike by the brotherhood, or a brotherhood chapter, rather than it being the courier. think about when the conversation of 'everyone wants to save the world. they just disagree on how.' being a kind of justification for the brotherhood orchestrating the destruction of shady sands, likely by claiming an nuclear device of their own and using it on the city. why might the brotherhood do this... because this chapter is less focused on the technology hunt and more on asserting 'order', dispensing 'justice' or 'hurting the people that hurt them'... which is probably not a health combination for being the custodians of something like a nuclear bomb. the likely story beats progressing for each of the protagonists is exploring different themes, with maximus being initially dedicated to the cause of the brotherhood chapter he serves, before eventually peeling back the layers on the brotherhoods dogma and realizing some measure of a contradiction they are facing... the brotherhood chapter is not safeguarding humanity against the dangers of technology... they are using their technology as a weapon to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with their dogma. this ISN'T actual brotherhood Doctrine... and i imagine that Maximus will have to eventually recognize that. what happens after that... I don't know.
@@The-Red-Menacethe nukes hitting the supply lines is when you target one nation
It’s stated in the ending slides if you go all out you nuke cities and towns to kingdom come
@The-Red-Menace I mis-remembered. I thought the nukes were aimed at the capitals of each faction, not merely supply lines. As for the 2nd Prydwen, I was clear in my original post that it is a separate ship. I used '2nd Prydwen' because I cannot recall its name nor have enough interest in its name to search the internet any time I speak about it. True, in FO4 there is only one ship, but given they built one, there is no reason to believe they could not have built another.
I wonder if Ron perlman is going to do narration?
I would get a serious fangasm.
And it wwould be a horrible idea, that is too specific. It creates a specific asociation, wich would limit the things Nolan can do.
But i would love it.
I go now and watch the 2 original trailer.
@@veranicus6060Ron Pearlman has been a part of every Fallout game. I’m sure he will do something for the show as well.
i do wish there had been mention about enemies and creature design, most of them from the trailer looks really wasteland appropriate and even terrifying
that horror element in fallout has always helped its atmosphere, i hope we see it more
When I went in FO76 to Freddy Fears' House of Scares, I heard the eyebot mimicking The Master. I thought Oh cool, I get to see him pre FO1...Sadly it was an eyebot stuck on a loop.
If they go to Vegas season 2 , i’m going to fallout …hey i made a pun!
My main concern is that this is amazon were talking about. They dont have the best track record to put it lightly.
They did The Expanse right after SyFy shit the bed. So they can hit home runs. Here's hoping anyway.
This looks more like a project they bought.
I recently seen an interview with walter goggins where they showed a quick clip from the show where the ghoul said he was looking for a bounty that the guy from lost with the glasses matched.
Also I don’t know if this was intentional but there is a moment in the trailer where Maximus looks at the new warship with a sort of awe struck expression, possibly meaning that this is recent addition to the West Coast Brotherhoods arsenal.
What if it turns out that the Cooper Howard character was able to get his daughter into a vault, but he can't get in for some reason, and then it turns out Lucy is his great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter?
Tbh i have same thought
That was done in Fallout Nuka Break season 2. The Ranger character is a descendant of the Ghoul. It was fan made but, it was still good.
I always have been hoping for best expecting worse from this series. I still do but my first thought after seeing this trailer was this feels like Fallout so I have a little hope.
The actor playing the Ghoul is Walton Goggins. He portrayed Boyd Crowder in Justified, and has appeared in many other shows and movies.
You forgot Matt Berry's Jackie Daytona, " this is how we talk in Tucson Arizonia".
Fallout lore 😋
It is literally stated in F4. Elder Maxson united both the West and East Cost, and reformed the BOS. Using the vast resoruces and Enclave tec recovered from the Enclave and the ruins of the Institute (which was moat likely blown up), Maxson could've easily ordered the annihilation of the NCR. Given their superior technology, they could've just as easily destroyed Shady Sands.
Nope, he united the OUTCASTS and LYON'S CHAPTER! That's a big difference.
Pretty sure Maxson only re-established contact with the West Coast. He gained the Council of Elder's approval from the West Coast to ascend to high elder of the East Coast
High Elder Maxson cant do that. If a few wastelanders who love toasters can board his airship and blow it to kingdom come, how is he going to get past the whole frontier of the NCR?
@@funki4896nope he united all 3, Outcasts, Original BoS, and Capital Wasteland BoS
@@101Phasethe Airship we see in the show is the Caswennon, not the Predwyn. This makes me think that either the Capital Wasteland BoS built not 1, but 2 Airships at Adams Air Force Base, and gave the Caswennon to the Western BoS to ingratiate themselves to them. Western BoS then used it to attack Los Angeles.
OR, the Caswennon was built in the Commonwealth after a BoS-advantaged ending. (BoS or Minutemen) this would make sense as Predwyn Terminals state that the Predwyne journey may very well be a 1-way journey as it took damage travelling and it barely has enough fuel to stay afloat. So the Caswennon may have been built then sent back to the West coast to regroup with Wesyern BoS, then they attacked Los Angeles.
The IT crowd is such an underrated show
Goggins is perfect for this. Check out his talk show appearances and clips.
Just remember, they said they didn't make this show for the fans. Amazon will fuck this up like they did with the LOTR.
I'm super hyped for it!
Negative. Hype does nothing for anybody. You need to stop that.
@@TheycallmeMrWonka Who put you in charge of anything, seriously? What makes you think you can tell me what to do, exactly?
Your words on Witcher, the tone of Fallout and interpretation of Nolan's quotes were spot on. Kudos for an excellent review.
We can still have other voices for Mr.Handys they are customizable robots after all
I hope they keep it low with the millennial style writing (nothing against the generation, but against the corporate attempt at humor).
*Someone did something* "Did you just do [the thing?]"
"So, that just happened!"
"Guys… he’s right behind me, isn’t he?"