🇺🇦 🇷🇺 Why has Ukraine's Orthodox church split from Russia? l Inside Story
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- The eastern Orthodox church has over 250 million members around the world.
Its spiritual leader is based in Istanbul.
But for followers in Ukraine, there's a new found independence.
Churches there have officially cut ties with their Russian branch - accusing it of what they call 'pro-Moscow propaganda'.
The decision has angered Russian leaders, with Moscow warning of what it calls dire consequences.
So, was this a politically motivated decision?
Presenter: Elizabeth Puranam
Guests:
Valentin Yakushik - Professor of Political Science at the National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.
Marat Shterin - Professor of Sociology of Religion and Department Head of Theology and Religious Studies at King’s College London.
Alexander Bratersky - Senior Foreign Policy at Gazeta.ru newspaper.
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Bartholomew is not the “head of the Eastern Orthodox Church” he’s only the Patriarch of Constantinople.
Bartholomew is the head of the Eastern Orthodox Church, successor to Andrew. New Rome gave life to all Orthodox Churches around the world
@@juancastillo2900 Jesus Christ is the head of His Church and that Church the Eastern Orthodox Church is conciliar. All Our Patriarchs are equal.
@@GBTWC Didn’t u forget that the Ecumenical Patriarch holds the title, “first among equals”?
@@juancastillo2900 what’s your point? They are “Equals” just like the Last among Equals would still be “Equal” why are you arguing it all of our doctrine is easily accessible online look it up.
@@GBTWC My point is is that the Ecumenical Patriarch holds apostolic succession without him there is no Orthodoxy.
Thanks everyone for pointing out the typo. We apologize for the mistake and fixed it!
Why don't you talke about Religious harassment of Muslim aantions freedom of belief...there are great harassment going on Muslim majority nations for the minorities....yes good to sho us about Russia and Ukraine but why don't al-Jazeera showing Bad said of Muslim majority nations and there governments...🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡
I am from Eritrea and Ethiopia love u orthodox Christian I believe in God and virgin Mary
Consider joining the Eritrean Catholic Church.
state should not politicise religion.
True but Russia Orthodox is closely tied to Russian government.
yeah state should not politicise religion but russia politiced its church so the Constantinople patriarch split ‘em up
State and Church are supposed to go together in a Monarchy. That is the Orthodox position. Everything else is incorrect
Politics and religion has always gone hand in hand, no offense to anyone spesifically, but few religions can claim their politics dont influence the church or Church doesnt influence state... it happens to this day, its like butter and bread
Oxthodox is one of the religions that are solidly on the side of influencing politics
There is Ukrainian Orthodox Church, New Ukrainian Church established illegally in 1991-which now gets “an independence”… Ukrainian Orthodox Church was established in 988…
Because Ukraine freedom state!Love Ukraine from Azerbaijan!❤️
Ulraine*
Russian rejime deadddd.
@Tyrone Koumoundouros Death to the Russia. Her church is working on the goverment
Prayers for peace.
4:00 The Eastern Orthodox Church has no central spiritual leader. It is a collegiate system - no pope here! The Russians have their leader. The Greeks have their's. The faithful in the Holy Land have their own patriarch. Etc.
Imagine having no central authority...
do words primus inter pares mean anything to you ?
Bartholomew is the leader of all Orthodox, you heathen
And now a part of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is canonically autonomous too.
@@jjgreek1 The leader of all Orthodox is Lord Jesus Christ. He is the head of the church. He is the only one who can claim full authority over all Orthodox Christians.
Ukraine's Orthodox Church has not "split with Russia." The Ukrainian Orthodox Church, under the Patriarch of Kiev, is the canonical Church in Ukraine. And Bartholomew is not the "head of Orthodoxy." He is the patriarch of one Church, holding a primacy of honor, not jurisdiction. It has noting to do with Christ or His Church--it is a political move on the part of Bartholomew.
Eventually the Orthodox Church of Ukraine will be recognised by most Autocephalous Churches in the coming years..After the Church of Greece, the Patriarchate of Alexandria and the Cyprus Church, Orthodox church of Romania, Antioch, Georgia will follow suit later this year.. the Russian Church will be left with only the Polish and the Church of the slavs..
@@umiamnazarene5260 I really hope so. Russia is definitely not recognising both the Kyivan Patriarchate and Metropolitanate, because the churches are strongly Ukrainian nationalist and they hate that. The ROC is basically run by Putin, the FSB, and Kirill at the same time, because they're all political friends. They want to establish a 2nd USSR, but Ukraine won't allow that now.
Bartholomew is the head of Orthodoxy, Constantinople gave life to all Orthodox churches
WOLYN 1943;
Meaning to the Slavic Churches, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria are ancient Patriarchates
I would love to visit Ukraine now. They have beautiful architecture, culture, and people.
Let's hope the architecture remains in tact and in good condition. The culture will survive, but people will die in the war.
???WHAT!!!!
Urkey(CNN) and now Ulraine(AJ)
Because it's in Ulraine!
Never takes long for the Russian trolls and bots to show up. This is why people are starting to dislike Russia.
Guy Souriandt r/whoosh
Read his comment again, please!
I would love to have these discussions redone after the invasion.
Yes
Ukraine will be much better after the war. No shelling daily and a more normal typical Ukraine.
@@ethanweeter2732
You're skipping the part where many areas of Ukraine need to be rebuilt first, and I doubt there'll be sufficient funding from other countries for that.
Yet, I do agree that the absence of daily shelling makes things easier.
Ulraine??
First thing I noticed.
Please do not let politics influence this religious matter. I disdain Russia for the invasion but the Moscow Patriarchate is right about this situation. The schismatic Ukrainian church is trying to use politics and nationalism to split the Church which ethnophyletism is a condemned heresy! I’m very upset that because of the invasion people will side with that nationalist Ukrainian church which cares more about politics than the Church!
Why did Russian Orthodox church do the same in the 16th century? And they weren't acknowledged by other churches for more than 100 years? Weren't they happy under Constantinople patriarchate?
Russian Orthodox Church has been spewing propaganda. Both sides of the aisle should not be involved with politics with the exception of speaking up against evil things going on. The church should be working towards unity not separation of the body of Christ.
@@user-rc9xq4uw3x yes exactly. The Church should not be separated by politics. This is what the Ukrainian nationalists are doing believe me. Even the Ukrainians under Moscow’s jurisdiction condemn Putin and Russia for the invasion, but understand that it is not right for the Ukrainian government to declare the canonical church illegal. The government can’t just make a government-approved church. Most people are worried about the mixture of church and state because it may corrupt the state, I worry about it because it’s corrupting the church
Are you thick in the head? The Russian church is a Russian state institution. They openly came out supporting the war.
As I understand, all of the Orthodox patriarchs must agree to set up an autonomous church, not just one. I think that the Ukrainian church should be autonomous, but it needs to be done in the proper way, not thru political persuasion.
Prairie Viking No it does not work that way. The Ecumenical Patriarch Of Constantinople and New Rome has the sole authority to grant a Tomos Of Autocephaly to any Orthodox Church that requests it of him. This is enshrined in Canon Law both in The First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea in 325 AD as well as in the Fourth Ecumenical Council in Chalcedon. The Russian Patriarchate was never ceded Canonical Jurisdiction of the Metropolia of Kyiv in 1686 by Constantinople ,only the right to ordain The Metropolitan Of Kyiv who in turn would remain under the Canonical Jurisdiction of Constantinople. The Russian Church later usurped this right granted to it by Constantinople by annexing the Ukrainian Church and placing it under the authority of Moscow--now that was uncanonical. Patriarch Bartholomew simply put things right by granting Autocephaly and returning Ukraine to his Jurisdiction, with the request and consent of the Ukrainian people.
@@nicholasgiokas3111 That's a pretty bold lie to tell about Christ's Church, may God have mercy on you. The EP is not a Pope and never has been.
@@CHURCHISAWESUM The only lie that is being perpetuated is yours. The EP is not a Roman Pope, but he is The First Among Equals with privileges and authority that have been preserved and universally accepted within the Church for many centuries through Holy Tradition, Ecumenical Councils, and Canon Law. Even though each national Church is autocephalous, not one of those Churches or Patriarchs can diminish the EP’s inherent and enshrined spiritual authority over the rest of the Church or contest its status as the Mother Church, which has been the cornerstone of the Orthodox Church for centuries. Anyone who disputes this is serving other interests and not the best interests of the Church, and is propagating an act of schism within the Church. If you are perpetuating un canonical lies which seek to undermine the spiritual authority of the EP over the entire Church as Canon Law, Holy Tradition, and the Holy Councils dictate and which the Church has universally accepted for centuries, then you are propagating schism. And if you are doing that, then as a schismatic, may God have mercy on your soul.
@@nicholasgiokas3111 could you link some citations please? thank you, yours in Christ
@@nicholasgiokas3111
If you believe what you say then the Patriarch of Constantinople should submit to Rome!
Since Rome is the first among equals!
The title of patriarch is a jurisdictional position!
Shouldn’t a council be called among all the equals?
Whose side is Constantinople on, Holy Orthodoxy or the antichristian movement? Is not the leader of Ukraine a Jew? Any red flags yet?
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Just for the record, the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church didn't 'split off' from Moscow. There simply popped up a new schismatic church into existence
There has been a Ukrainian Orthodox Church in Saskatoon Saskatchewan CANADA for more than forty years.
How childish..harping on a misspelled word. I was looking for an intelligent conversation but I won’t find it here
Lol they Grammar nazis
Better childish harping than toxic discussion. As for the "intelligent conversation", it's very rare, especially on UA-cam.
The same happened in India(Kerala).. Orthodox ☦️ church and people split into two side. (Under some circumstances)
But are under the sriyan Patricatey in damscoaea
enga pathalum ni
@@donjose4275 🤣
Any preist who blesses soldiers clearly has not read the commandment 'you shall not kill'. Hypocrites not worthy of listening to.
Love from Greece and Byzantine empire
Please correct the title 'Ulraine'
THIS IS NOT GOOD, STOP DIVISION
This is probably more important in hindsight.
Trying to disguise checking his watch - 1:59
Urlaine?
OhBluey No, Ulraine.
Ulraine is a nice place
@@realpolitics527 That's where I learned to play the ulelele.
You should visit Urkey aswell
@@SuperAFHD To support the Urkish Urds
Thanks
Ulraine ????
Great report
There is a big deal of property division right now currently owned by the Russia Patriarchate. 11 monasteries each at $50,000,000 so a lot of money to be made. Poroshenko is taking the first share. And fools like those in the video jump high and yell "Slava Ukraine"...
Russian Orthodox Church took over all of
the churches in Crimea and kicked out
the Ukrainian priests.
Beacause they had enough of bieng called ulraine
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But honestly, I don’t know whether you purposely misspelt the other words!
LOL - I noticed they stopped jumping.... Do you think they got tired of their stupidity?
Bravo, Al Jazeera ! More quality reporting on the Church/churches of the East, please.
This is horrible reporting.
@@theodore8178 no doubt; and it's gotten worse.
This is a political bull rap.
3 years later and it seems like the right decision.
Absolutely not. This is VERRRY different than politics
Orthodoxy is a religion, not a political movement.
Zionism is a political movement.
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I am eritrean true religion orthodox is Eritrea & Ethophia
The only true religion is Christianity. It’s not one subsection or another. All of us believers are all brothers and sisters in Christ. We all worship the same God. Do not let mans laws and rules get in the way of you and Christ or others and their relationship with Christ. Love your neighbor and repent for your sins.
Greetings from Ethiopian Orthodox believer ..
You have your own drama Ethiopian Orthodox Church and Eritrean Orthodox Church you are separate every Orthodox Church from around the globe anyways you just hold it the name orthodox
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Who are you Frist?
2nd read will & keep searching if u says there is a difference b/n Orthodox Christian Churches around the world.
@@nm3610 kkkkk are u crezy
WTF is Ulraine? Never heard of that place!
Well I bet you have heard of it now! Lol
@@cheryladams1173 The initial spelling of Ukraine in the title was "Ulraine", that was the joke 3 years ago.
Why not??
My home and where I rest.🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤✌✌✌💎⚓👸🤴
Bartholomäus ist ein Häretiker. Ein Ökumenist, Schismatiker.
Wrong, Putin is using the Orthodox Church. He says so himself. This is the same man who persecuted the Church as a KGB agent.
Selfishness and pride will split the church once again. How are they all of them, receive Holy Communion while nobody is talking to each other, is beyond me. This is a mockery of the Holy Spirit!
Looks like Europe got a new country! Ulraine!
Things are not getting better
Remember WOLYN 1943;
God said. If you love me keep my commandments . Religion can't save your soul. But our true relationship with God. ..... Amen.
Feel sorry only for ordinary people....they are the victims.
The Orthodox Church doesnt have a leader :/
The head of our church is Jesus Christ.
Are you insinuating a POPE? The Patriarchs of Eastern Orthodox Churches are the LEADERS. NOT ONE PREMINENT POMPOUS POPE.
Ok now you are just inventing a country....
minute 21!!
I know that the Orthodox Church's structure is a mystery to most but this broadcast is angled through a fundamental misperception. The spiritual leader of the Orthodox is Jesus Christ.
Patriarch Bartholomew is one bishop, equal in rank to all other Orthodox Bishops. He is head of his jurisdiction - the patriarchate of Constantinople, not the entire Orthodox Church. This is very important for people to understand so they don't get the wrong ideas. Orthodoxy is lead by the council of Bishops. It is not ruled by one figure like a "pope".
The issue is more complex than it appears. The bottom line is that Ukraine is failed state, and the issue here is damage control.
Ulraine
retroxlove Ulrainians are angered now!
The Patriarch of Constantinople is the spiritual head of the Greek Orthodox Church. He is NOT the chief or the head of the other various ethnic Orthodox Churches which have their own senior bishops. Historically, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was under Constantinople. The Ukrainians want to be free of Putin, and who doesn't? When Stalin came to power, he was especially vicious to the Ukrainian Orthodox. He murdered all their bishops so there was no one to ordain clergy. They suffered further under the Nazis. I'm glad to see stability restored to the Ukraine. Kyrill can go soak his head.
The Russian government murdered both Russian and Ukrainian bishops!
Stop fabricating the truth to suit your agenda!
God help us from ourselves, Holy Theotokos help us recallin all things your Son Christ is always the center of the Orthodox Christian Faith!
Have the orthodox leaders of Ukraine openly and publicly condemned such Neo-Na!!!!zi military units as the Azov Battalion, and what they have done to some eastern Russian-speaking Ukrainians?
If so, I'd like to know that from credible, verifiable sources.
So many Orthodox Churches I'm confused. Some Orthodox are with Rome the Byzantine Church and Some Ukrainian are with Rome.
The first Orthodox Church was Greek The first Bible was in Greek.
Peter (Simon Bar Jonas) Mark Andrew and some more were Jews The brothers James and John were Greek. Jesus picks up on Jews first as God He has commenced with Jews He then incorporates Gentiles, Greeks but the Roman Empire was ruling and are very much involved.
it's all fairy tell
In the Church I pray where unity is unity and faith, believing, no one is ashamed of one another, in the true faith or in believing. These things seem to be happening in other places too. Christ Jesus is the one and only Christ and one and only one body amidst the Christian faith. Divisions are very difficult. There are many interpretations, or branches of the christoan faith but Christ Jesus is the foundation. It is a prayer the one foundation is a unifying aspect of the faith in Christ Jesus. Even with different aspects of the faith, each one has their gift in the spirit and faith but together are the faith the Christianity. Or are my thoughts. The faith is the healing of all things, in and through Christ Jesus, aside from the world and what is in it. Different churches ok. Different spiritual gifts and messages, But ultimately unified in one foundation, the faith, that is in Christ Jesus,, God's only begotten son by way of immaculate conception. John 3:16. In my opinion and if I may be so bold to speak my opinion with all due respect.
Jesus The Christ, The empowered prophet Deut.18v18-19 ... He IS THE LIVING WORD OF GOD Jn.1v1+....
... IF WE DO NOT BELieVE THE PROVEN WORD OF GOD as It is written Jn.18v37, Jn. Jn 12v48
then such a person DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS Jn. 12v48... JESUS SAYS Matt.7v20... TRUE FAITH IS NOT JUST A VERBAL ASCENT THAT JESUS HAS PAID FOR MY SINS.
Jesus says " UNLESS YOU ( NOT ONLY) EAT of My BODY { THAT PAID FOR YOUR ENEMY's sins ALSO}, (BUT ALSO), & DRINK OF MY BLOOD, YOU HAVE NO LIFE ON YOU".
Clearly, you need to believe what Jesus says.
" This is the cup of the new covenant in my bood".
UNLESS YOU RECEIVE THE LORD's meaning of His New Covenant, you are believing erroniously, & not letting Him teach you, as also did not Adam, & all those who rejected the Testimony of NOAH, & OF GOD.
Yes, the Ulrainian Orthodox Church doesn’t believe in Spell Checkers.
Fair point...
They didn't split
Time for the movement to join the Ukrainian Catholic church
Ukraine is The Land of the Two Churches. Moscow must be destroyed.
No. Just no.
Orthodox are not Catholic and
the Roman Catholic church
is about to slide into the abyss.
Actly quite the opposite is planned. There are talks of UCC joining the newly reinstated Ukrainian Orthodox Church!
This is clearly rogue politics interfering with religion. That being the case all should have a right to decide what they wish to worship.
Rogue politics? How about the fact that the Kremlin has essentially turned the ROC into another branch of the Russian government?
12:32 "unconstitutional involvement into religious matters".
What about Putin getting involved into religious matters, and what about ex KGB informer Kirill of Moscow being the Patriarch of Russian Orthodox Church, a friend of Putin, and a supporter of the war ind Donbass against Ukrainian soldiers?
It is a religious ম্যাটার এন্ড সৌল্ডা যে সেটলড এস such
Yes you point out valid points. Of my Patriarch Barthemelow its a high handed outside a council dictate move that is closer to the RC church. Id prefer BOTH Patriarchs either grow up or retire to a monastery to allow cooler heads prevail over this issue.
I agree. I don't think the Orthodox Church in Ukraine and the Kyiv Patriarchate are schismatic Churches of Orthodoxy, as an Orthodox myself who's part of the Ukrainian Church USA under Bartholomew. They're only labelled as "schismatics" by the ROC because Putin said to do it as a fear tactic towards believers in those two Churches. Putin, the FSB, and Kirill run the ROC together, with majority of its bishops and priests being big Putin sympathisers as well.
The Ukrainian Churches just wants to be independent from communist control, which Russia oppose. The only reason why other Orthodox Churches like Belarus, Poland, Serbia, Antiochian, etc didn't say they recognise the Ukrainian Churches is because they don't want to get labelled as "schismatics" themselves by the Russians. If the Ukrainian Churches are to be in communion with Russia, it would mean Putin will use the ROC to try to control the minds of Ukrainians, so that's why the UOC wants autocephaly and recognition
Від Росії треба бути на відстані,це Слава Богу зрозумів весь цевілізований світ.
Very good decision only the pain can feel Ukrainians not any other
UNGRATEFUL IS WORSE THAN WITCHCRAFT DON'T BIT THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU ALSO BEWARE OF DECEIVING PRESENT.
Very fair decision from ecumenical patriarchate.each country has to own its own church. No politics inside Christianity
Except he does not enjoy the right to appropriate jurisdictional territory of one patriarchate and form an autocephalous church from it there is already a canonical Ukrainian autonomous Church that is recognized by all other patriarchates
No! Church lines should not be decided by political ones!
Partially untrue. Most Orthodox in Ukraine (Ukraininan Orthodox Church) are still in communion with Moscow. The move to create a new church( Orthodox Church in Ukraine) was created by President Poroshenko togteher with the Turkish Patraiarch and the US State Department.
Why yhey need it to split all easter slavic church?
Actually, 58% of orthodox in Ukraine are now members of the NEW Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
100% true but nobody wants to hear the truth these days
Unite yourself people of God...VVV
Watching is this in May 2022…the interviewer asks “ will this anger Russia”? - well, girl friend, Russia has already attacked Ukraine, bombed it into oblivion, and scorched three ground, planted mines, killed innocent civilians, innocent women, children, elderly…soooo, really, Female FIREND reporter, check the news before you ask.
And why would the Russian state care ? The church and state are not the same, as per Russian constitution….so State needs to stay our of church, just like church must stay out of state ! Okay?
In Russia the Church is subservient to the state and the church is controlled by the FSB. The church is also a tool of the secret police in Russia. If you live outside Russia it is completely logical that you don’t want that.
Ulraine?
Ukraine***
Why do you ask russians about Ukrainian church and don't ask Ukrainians?
Because they afraid they won’t have any support of the split
US behind this
Vanraj vannu006
The other Orthodox countries have
autocephalous churches. Why not
Ukraine?
When Russia took over Crimea the
Russian Orthodox Church seized
all of the churches and kicked out
the Ukrainian clerics. No wonder
people in Ukraine do not want their
church to be under the Patriarchate
of Moscow!
(Ukraine is not a Russian colony,
satellite or vassal state)
Russia forced this with their invasion of Ukraine
Why people pray 🙏 do devil 😈
Kirill is a heretic
Wtf?
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me... a sinner
Pray pray and pray
Jeremiah pronounced woe on the false shepherds. Why does the patriarch of Moscow stand by while the sheep in Ukraine are killed? Look to the good shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep, the King, Jesus. Psalms 22, 23, 24. Jesus is the one who will inherit the nations Psalm 2 ad in Him the meed will inherit the earth Psalm 25 and Psalm 37.
What can he do when America is orchestrating the war?
You are blind to the American insertion!
America destabilises a region then occupies it and uses lies to get world leaders support!
Does weapons of mass destruction in Iraq ring a bell for you?
Russia has only itself to blame. Russian influence has diminished slightly.
en attendant, l'ukraine s'est autodétruite
*west slaves.
As of today (4/28/22) 58% of orthodox in Ukraine belong to the NEW Ukrainian church. ENOUGH of Moscow.
Ukraine
divide and conquer.
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Hi
Romanian Orthodox Church salute u! Slava Ukraini!!!!
Babylon the great
If the newly independent Ukrainian Orthodox Church conducts itself well, when both the patriarchs of the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church are gone, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church will get accepted eventually by all other churches because the move was after all canonical.
Rusia IS RA EL
Is is spelt Ukraine,please don't spread fake news about a fake country. Spelling shoulde be checked.
Christianity is the only way. ⛪💜
Russian or Ukrainian Christianity?
No it is not...
To marry your own daughter?
There is only one Orthodox Patriarch...and that is Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople
The Archbishop of Constantinople and Ecumenical Patriarchate Bartholomew I did the right thing by accepting Ukraine's request for a national Ukrainian Church. As he did centuries earlier with other nations, the Bulgarians, the Russians, the Greeks, the Slovaks etc etc
All Orthodox Christian countries have their own Autocephalous Church. Why not Ukraine too?
Moscow sees Ukraine as a breakaway province, while it is an independent State since the 90s.
I’m curious do you see American involvement in the push for Ukraine independence?
What do you think America will do if they succeed?
Can you see past your nose?
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The Archbishop of Constantinople is the Ecumenical Patriarch, or First among Equals of all the Primates. He is the Head and Leader of the Primates, just as Peter was Coryphaeus of the Apostles
As Archbishop of Constantinople his jurisdiction is limited to the city of Constantinople [Istanbul]. But as Ecumenical Patriarch he is the Representative of his brother Primates and represent all of them in ruling over the Diaspora
Should the Church of Constantinople somehow disappear tomorrow, it is the Archbishop of Alexandria that will take over and become First and Ecumenical Patriarch of the Orthodox Church. Antioch is after Alexandria, and Jerusalem is after Antioch
Moscow is transgressing and overstepping boundaries and Ecumenically-ratified Order of Priorities. As Metropolitan of Moscow, his jurisdiction is limited to the city of Moscow, and as Patriarch of Russia his jurisdiction is limited to un-bishoped regions inside the canonical territory of the Church of Russia, as delienated in her Tomos of Autocephaly, which she requested for from and received from the Ecumenical Patriarch in late 16th century
Then according to your understanding Rome is the head church.
So your excommunicated!
@@gritsteel3225
Was. After schism Old Rome was and is no longer first. New Rome is now First
@@adothariman966
According to you but not them!
My point is jurisdictional.
Old Rome jurisdictions was all over Greece before Constantinople..
After Constantinople was formed, then it took over the jurisdiction of Greece but had no jurisdiction over Rome.
After the patriarch was formed in Russia, then the jurisdiction was given to Russia.
If you say Constantinople has jurisdictional rights over Russia. Then Rome has jurisdictional rights over Constantinople.
The fact is when a patriarch is formed it is made one among equals.
Your point would be valid if the highest rank was archbishop of Russia but thats not the case.
The patriarch of Constantinople did not deal with this in an Orthodox manner.
Unfortunately it has political agenda smeared all over it.
@@gritsteel3225
The Bishop of Constantinople has no jurisdiction over Russia, only over Constantinople
But the Ecumenical Patriarch, currently held by the Bishop of Constantinople, has the prerogative to represent all Primates, and thus to hold jurisdiction over the diaspora
There is canonical order and taxis in the Church. Should someday Constantinople be gone, the Bishop of Alexandria will assume Ecumenical Patriarchate and become Universal Primate, and as such hold jurisdiction over the diaspora and the prerogative of representing all Primates
And so on and so on
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I like seeing how russia is crying that their church, which supports aggression against Ukraine, is now getting cut off Ukraine 😆
Well I guess we'll see how that goes lol
@@kais.1684 if China will not step in or any evil miracle will not take place to change how the war goes, I guess russian church will be totally cut off since it openly supported putin in this war...
Rokas, instead of a bunch of unnecessary words you wrote ALL you needed to write is: I support Ukrainian Nazis!
Brainwashed by the media!
This is a war between Russia and America and America chose Ukraine as its battleground!
Open your eyes😵💫
You're either a Believer in Christ, or you're not. "Orthodoxy" doesn't matter to God.
I guess you are INSEIN!!! Are u sure what apostols of Christ builded doesn't matter to Christ???
@@michaelpencio9573
There are many branches of Trinitarian Christianity.
Those various denominations disagree on minor
points of doctrine. All Christians believe in:
1.) The Virgin Birth occurred by the power of the
…… Holy Spirit
2. Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ is GOD incarnate
3.) Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ is the
……. "Word of God, made flesh ….." (John 1)
4.) Christ was baptized by John the Baptizer
5.) Christ died on the cross for the propitiation
….. of ALL of mankind's sins (past, present, future)
6.) Christ rose from the dead.
7.) Christ ascended into Heaven
8.) Christ asked the father to send the Holy Spirit
…… To indwell in the hearts of Believers
9.) Pentecost (item #8 answered & continuing)
10.) Christ will come again.
Depends whether your church was founded by Martin Luther or Our Lord. I know which one Id choose