I have arthritis in my thumbs and find it difficult to play anything action-oriented with thumbsticks, an all button controller like this might let me play stuff like Super Smash Brothers again. Thanks for showing this off, I didn't realize there were options like this out there.
There's a TON. Also, consider checking out the Xbox Adaptive controller coupled with a Mayflash adapter, or the Hori Flex controller for Nintendo Switch.
Specifically for Smash I would recommend looking into the Frame1 controller! It has buttons to emulate the right stick (and I believe it has a modifier button that allows you to angle the left stick in more than 8 directions).
There's also the "Smashbox" made by the same people who do the Hitbox... Like the Hitbox it's a little oversized being an all button arcade layout controller... But from the sound of it, it might be exactly what you are looking for...
Never had an urge to get a fighting pad. This one just looks so super sleek. Love the design, very clean. Edit: Yes, now I do have an urge to get one. Might save up or wait for a sale on them as they are still a bit pricey for my own taste.
so do you have the urge now or is it still not quite enough? (i got a fight stick and then made it into an arcade and now i have 3 arcades so be careful which slippery slopes you get on)
I don't think you can expect any sales. They are using the Brook UFB mainboard which is a hundred bucks alone, then comes the bill of materials for the rest of the hardware, labor & administrative costs. Looks like they aren't working with a huge profit margin where they can afford discounts at all. Look at their older pads, if you order them with PCB included and pre-built they come up slightly more expensive.
$200 ($220 now due to part availability issues) is on the lower end compared to the full-size ones. It's definitely an investment and if you can find a way to try an all-button controller or a Hitbox (I actually tried a Snackbox Micro at a convention's Guilty Gear Strive tournament and am now onboard to saving for one). Just saying compared to other all-button controllers it's about the best you'll do price-wise. And I'd probably rather have one of these than a bulky Hitbox.
The snackbox micro I bought out of curiosity but I use it nearly exclusively for fighting games now. It's actually really comfortable for lap use and I'm a fairly large dude.
@@midazct100 absolutely, down+forward will give you diagonal forward as an example. I've played on controller and arcade stick for years and adapting wasn't really an issue. Most modern fighting games are fairly lenient on inputs as well.
I just want to say I really appreciate your videos like these for accessibility. A lot of conventional controllers don't work well with my large hands and you have helped turn me onto to some very solid options.
Wait this whole time I thought fight stick buttons used keyboard switches inside, this kinda feels like how someone in their 30s learning that pickles are pickled cucumbers for the first time.
I have one and can highly recommend it for fighting games and anything else that doesn’t need both sticks! You can also get an additional metal plate for the bottom to make it feel more substantial, and they have a ton of color options available for their buttons on their shop. (Rumor is they’re also making a smash box style controller with this thin form factor 👀)
as someone who worked in construction holy crap i was able to identify you actually dub in a cinderblock being dragged specifically on concrete for the opening bit nice
At 8:15 I want to clarify that the switches are Kailh red CHOC switches, and the ones Bob got are Kailh navy choc switches. These "choc" switches are low profile and not the normal sized kailh box switches. Great video regardless! I definitely got one of your deskpads
I played Mario bros on an arcade cabinet and while the joy stick wasn’t optimal the jumping was incredible. I also have fond memories of my first time emulating and playing Mario on a keyboard. I think this video is telling me to take the plunge
Amazingly enough, I'm super stoked to play retro shmups with this and experiment/get used to controlling ship movement with buttons instead of a stick or dpad. This and the Mpress look fantastic. Now it's just a matter of waiting for fresh stock. Great video!!
it really is very weird to adapt but DEFINITELY worth it, i started on some snes beat em ups and shooters to get used to this layout, took a week, it was a lot of fun because it felt like i was playing these games for the 1st time again (i used to play A LOT on keyboard up until like 2005, but i always used my right hand on the arrow keys, i was not used to wasd)
If you can get used to this using it with platformers, I do urge you to try out some street fighter or something cuz these things are really blowing up in the fighting game scene
Bro, I come by for the vids cause info's great and all, but holy crap the skits are some of the best content on youtube. you get me everytime man. "THAT A WULFF DEN?! *bag drop* " I nearly spit out my drink laughing man. Love the vids, you're killin it man
Ok, I'm starting to think Bob has a secret twin and he is introducing him to us via ads so we are comfortable with the scenario, because I cannot believe the level of detail on editing two Bobs for ads and silly comedy bits.
I think for playing by myself at a desk, I'd probably use the keyboard...but for with friends, if we're sat around a TV I think it would be kind of a pain in the butt to have in my lap. Everything's situational I guess
Omg thank you for showing me how to change the directions to analog. I got this awhile back to play tekken but wanted to test out kazuya with it on smash. Thank you thank you thank you
I am in no way a fighting game person, but I AM a rhythm game fanatic, so this is still appealing to me ....even though I have a separate controller for rhythm games on the switch I kind of really want this haha
The group that sells this thing goes to fighting game tournaments and make stock for the event. They sell out literally in the first half of the first day every time.
It's funny that I haven't even touched my Switch in over a year, nor am I into Nintendo stuff but I always catch myself coming back and watching every one of Bob's video anyway cuz they're THAT entertaining to watch 😅
Lighting improving in the studio as time passes. Blue was a bit excessive prior honestly. The apartment light gave you a more natural and pleasant environment. You are getting there, keep it up
I'm starting to think Bob did actually cloned himself but now the clones are cloning themselves. As that food delivery Bob was one vegan pizza slice short of a full pie.
At least for this particular video I’m here more for the ads and the skits than the actual product review lol 😆 your desk mat on the other hand is absolutely ggorgeous I lovethose colors Also what do I think? I think we need some bloopers lol
There should be a clip that you can use to connect your switch screen to this or any joystick... Just like the clips that connect your phone to your controller, only bigger.
I was dreaming of gamo2 k28 for Taiko and it's out of stock so I was hoping this would be a good alternate but it looks like this is always outta stock too, d'oh!
@@WulffDen I saw after I commented, actually! Clicking through and running the usd price for the gamepad plus shipping to Canadian dollars definitely made me trigger shy yikes!
Can’t wait for my desk mat to get here! Now if only I could get some Wulff Den apparel… I came back to say the part where you bite the fight pad made me laugh entirely too hard
1:40 “look. It’s lenticular, and shows you strong bones versus weak bones!” WHY. ARE. YOU. ME. 💀 I always talk to people about lenticular stuff and they are just like “….cool? 😬” cuz they don’t care about what goes into it. I’m glad I subscribed lol
I ordered one of these guys, though I won't get it until August I think? I'm excited to have it. I like having a bajillion controller options around my house as it kind of makes games a lot of fun to play especially when you wanna change stuff up. Your review highlighted something I haven't seen a lot of people talk about... the keyboard style switches. I'm interested in if I'm going to have to order some new switches, because the ones it comes with sound like they feel REALLY soft.
been waiting forever for layer shift's loki. already have their odin... but i just discovered golden lever has a version which is a combination of an odin and loki... Now it's just a race either whenever layer shift releases the odin, or whenever shipping to my country resumes from japan/korea to determine which i buy.
I work with the guy who wrote the software running in this thing; he's a fucking wizard. Absolutely crazy to see something he worked on get coverage here.
The mousepad looks gorgeous. I already have two XL mousepads and love them, swapping them out when they get dirty or I feel like a change. Excited to rotate this new WulffDen one into the roster. 💙
That actually looks pretty cool and so does the desk matt, love the colour. Would love to try it but already wasted hundreds on keyboards and gamepad stuff, hoping I could find one that didn't set off my carpal tunnel or arthritis... but non ever did, so I'm stuck using Xbox Elite style controllers.
it wouldve been cool if it had an port or hole so to speak where a traditional arcade stick could fit on left side ofcourse and could be screwed out like 1 of those portable retro arcade boxs,would def be worth the price
God I love how bob says "Mario" he says it like "Mare-E-Oh" instead of "Mar-E-oh" but maybe everyone else has been saying it wrong this whole time and bob is right. Im sure he gets this all the time lol
It would be interesting to see a comparison of this controller with the Boxx controller. The Boxx has been out for a while and I believe that Hax$, a pro SSBM player, used and promoted the Boxx controller for a long time.
I have arthritis in my thumbs and find it difficult to play anything action-oriented with thumbsticks, an all button controller like this might let me play stuff like Super Smash Brothers again. Thanks for showing this off, I didn't realize there were options like this out there.
There's a TON. Also, consider checking out the Xbox Adaptive controller coupled with a Mayflash adapter, or the Hori Flex controller for Nintendo Switch.
Specifically for Smash I would recommend looking into the Frame1 controller! It has buttons to emulate the right stick (and I believe it has a modifier button that allows you to angle the left stick in more than 8 directions).
There's also the "Smashbox" made by the same people who do the Hitbox...
Like the Hitbox it's a little oversized being an all button arcade layout controller... But from the sound of it, it might be exactly what you are looking for...
I love seing this comunity helping each other out and understanding others problems im proud of this comunity!
@@dazeNB Too bad the Frame1 has been sold out for over a year.
Me, who doesn't even have a desk: "hmm, yes, that desk mat would be a wise purchase"
I support your spending decisions. I have a desk that can you can store it on.
@@powderdropzone your support means a lot
use it as a table setting. Get 4
@@WulffDen oh look at Mr "I have three friends"
Big enough to be a floor mat
11:33
Nice callback to the time Bob mentioned that he got destroyed playing smash bros in a coffee shop.
it was a Moe's Southwest Grill, but who's counting, you know?
Bob, you literally have the only ads I don't fast forward. That shit is always entertaining.
...literally
i feel the exact same way.
Oh, now that's a slick mouse mat.
Love your content keep it up girl just do what you want do don't let others decide for you and have great day see ya around
Never had an urge to get a fighting pad. This one just looks so super sleek. Love the design, very clean.
Edit:
Yes, now I do have an urge to get one. Might save up or wait for a sale on them as they are still a bit pricey for my own taste.
Same thoughts. This is smexy
so do you have the urge now or is it still not quite enough? (i got a fight stick and then made it into an arcade and now i have 3 arcades so be careful which slippery slopes you get on)
I don't think you can expect any sales. They are using the Brook UFB mainboard which is a hundred bucks alone, then comes the bill of materials for the rest of the hardware, labor & administrative costs. Looks like they aren't working with a huge profit margin where they can afford discounts at all. Look at their older pads, if you order them with PCB included and pre-built they come up slightly more expensive.
$200 ($220 now due to part availability issues) is on the lower end compared to the full-size ones. It's definitely an investment and if you can find a way to try an all-button controller or a Hitbox (I actually tried a Snackbox Micro at a convention's Guilty Gear Strive tournament and am now onboard to saving for one). Just saying compared to other all-button controllers it's about the best you'll do price-wise. And I'd probably rather have one of these than a bulky Hitbox.
The snackbox micro I bought out of curiosity but I use it nearly exclusively for fighting games now. It's actually really comfortable for lap use and I'm a fairly large dude.
Is it possible to get diagonal outputs out of it? He mentioned something briefly in the video but I couldn't make much of it.
@@midazct100 absolutely, down+forward will give you diagonal forward as an example. I've played on controller and arcade stick for years and adapting wasn't really an issue. Most modern fighting games are fairly lenient on inputs as well.
I just want to say I really appreciate your videos like these for accessibility. A lot of conventional controllers don't work well with my large hands and you have helped turn me onto to some very solid options.
This is seriously one of the most fun Wulff Den videos he's made. I love the smash in the wild bit lol.
Wait this whole time I thought fight stick buttons used keyboard switches inside, this kinda feels like how someone in their 30s learning that pickles are pickled cucumbers for the first time.
I have one and can highly recommend it for fighting games and anything else that doesn’t need both sticks! You can also get an additional metal plate for the bottom to make it feel more substantial, and they have a ton of color options available for their buttons on their shop.
(Rumor is they’re also making a smash box style controller with this thin form factor 👀)
Nice music selection at the intro. Glad to see you appreciate old school KoF 😁
as someone who worked in construction holy crap i was able to identify you actually dub in a cinderblock being dragged specifically on concrete for the opening bit nice
Snack box? Give me a box of snacks instead, am I right folks
9:44 "Hey! Could you shut up!?" triggered my Google Home and scared the shit out of me. LOL
At 8:15 I want to clarify that the switches are Kailh red CHOC switches, and the ones Bob got are Kailh navy choc switches. These "choc" switches are low profile and not the normal sized kailh box switches.
Great video regardless! I definitely got one of your deskpads
well, I do mention that they're low profile at 8:26. I didn't know "BOX" was a distinction for fullsized. Now I do.
I played Mario bros on an arcade cabinet and while the joy stick wasn’t optimal the jumping was incredible. I also have fond memories of my first time emulating and playing Mario on a keyboard. I think this video is telling me to take the plunge
Great video!! Love the KOF music in the background!!👌👌👍👍
Amazingly enough, I'm super stoked to play retro shmups with this and experiment/get used to controlling ship movement with buttons instead of a stick or dpad. This and the Mpress look fantastic. Now it's just a matter of waiting for fresh stock. Great video!!
10:40 -- "perpetually out of stock"
Nah... they only do preorders. This is not representative of the actual situation at all
it really is very weird to adapt but DEFINITELY worth it, i started on some snes beat em ups and shooters to get used to this layout, took a week, it was a lot of fun because it felt like i was playing these games for the 1st time again (i used to play A LOT on keyboard up until like 2005, but i always used my right hand on the arrow keys, i was not used to wasd)
Getting the controller ready for battle killed me
I come back and watch this video a lot not just because the snack box micro is a cool controller, but also for 11:32. It cracks me up every time.
If you can get used to this using it with platformers, I do urge you to try out some street fighter or something cuz these things are really blowing up in the fighting game scene
Great video but can I just say, you've gotten fantastic at these 1-man bits, seamless and hilarious.
FINALLY! Someone makes a mousepad that is also apparel so I can wear it out and about!
like a shawl!!!!
If I knew how to use this kind of Stick Box, I'd get this for how clean and small it looks.
I never thought I'd hear a KOF song in a Wulff Den video ♥
4:39 it's also like how us Americans call small bandages well band aids because yeah it's a brand yet we call any thing like it a band aid it's weird
"HEY! IS THAT WULFFDEN!?"
*unwinds controller*
I want that moment tattooed on me.
Bro, I come by for the vids cause info's great and all, but holy crap the skits are some of the best content on youtube. you get me everytime man. "THAT A WULFF DEN?! *bag drop* " I nearly spit out my drink laughing man. Love the vids, you're killin it man
the little skit at the end deserves a like
I have 2 SnackBox Micros and they are super fun. I like mine with the heavy metal bottom plate
The left is like using a keyboard with A-left, S-down, D-Right, and Space-Jump.
That cut scene where you throw something at yourself is great!
welp, guess i gotta add a new desk mat to the collection
also it feels so good to see you getting into keyboard and keyboard-esque stuff
So glad you finally decided to check it out! I absolutely love mine.
Man who needs Will when we have Bobs twin Rob
Ok, I'm starting to think Bob has a secret twin and he is introducing him to us via ads so we are comfortable with the scenario, because I cannot believe the level of detail on editing two Bobs for ads and silly comedy bits.
-Bob, how many stick pad do you really need?
-YES
These skits are Top Tier. Keep up the good work
You're falling deeper in the mechanical keyboard rabbit hole by the minute, Bob 😁
I think for playing by myself at a desk, I'd probably use the keyboard...but for with friends, if we're sat around a TV I think it would be kind of a pain in the butt to have in my lap. Everything's situational I guess
The skits and you eating the controller got me. Hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.
Omg thank you for showing me how to change the directions to analog. I got this awhile back to play tekken but wanted to test out kazuya with it on smash. Thank you thank you thank you
you have such an awesome channel man and you are def the best controller reviewer on youtube much love man!
Sick video. Nice reenactment of the kid who challenged you to smash.
I am in no way a fighting game person, but I AM a rhythm game fanatic, so this is still appealing to me ....even though I have a separate controller for rhythm games on the switch
I kind of really want this haha
Awesome song in the intro.
It’s from KOF’98. “In Spite of One’s Age.”
The eShop is getting more Guitar Hero-style games, like the Frederic series, and this looks quite applicable for that.
The group that sells this thing goes to fighting game tournaments and make stock for the event. They sell out literally in the first half of the first day every time.
Just got my XL Desk Pad today, love it! great job!
11:39 is legit what I'd do if I met the man in public.
Also, $200 is a little too pricey for this in my opinion.
That moment when your old emulator days on keyboard are suddenly validated 20 years later.
It's funny that I haven't even touched my Switch in over a year, nor am I into Nintendo stuff but I always catch myself coming back and watching every one of Bob's video anyway cuz they're THAT entertaining to watch 😅
Lighting improving in the studio as time passes. Blue was a bit excessive prior honestly. The apartment light gave you a more natural and pleasant environment. You are getting there, keep it up
Love Hipster bob and regular bob sponsor segments
I'm starting to think Bob did actually cloned himself but now the clones are cloning themselves. As that food delivery Bob was one vegan pizza slice short of a full pie.
This is the best fight pad I have ever seen
The aesthetically pleasing lights on this are almost enough to make me want a fight pad even though I never play games that would be good with one.
I wonder if this could be setup for keyboard shortcuts as well. Would love to have the gaming & productive functions as well
I don't see why it couldn't be used for shortcuts. There are many apps that allow keyboard mapping to a controller.
Never thought of that, wonder if this could be converted into a makeshift streamdeck when not using it for playing games
If you can get something that can map control pad inputs as a keyboard shortcut, sure!
I have a confession…
In only watch your videos for the skits…
Forgive me…
They’re hilarious!🤓😂
At least for this particular video I’m here more for the ads and the skits than the actual product review lol 😆 your desk mat on the other hand is absolutely ggorgeous I lovethose colors
Also what do I think? I think we need some bloopers lol
That last skit at the end of the video had me weak
Nice job with putting "litigious" and "bespoke" in there.
thanks man had to bust out the ol' webster for this one
@@WulffDen your pragmatism and acerbic witt is appreciated
There should be a clip that you can use to connect your switch screen to this or any joystick... Just like the clips that connect your phone to your controller, only bigger.
I was dreaming of gamo2 k28 for Taiko and it's out of stock so I was hoping this would be a good alternate but it looks like this is always outta stock too, d'oh!
they go by pre-orders. so you just gotta get at it a little early so they know how many to make
@@WulffDen I saw after I commented, actually! Clicking through and running the usd price for the gamepad plus shipping to Canadian dollars definitely made me trigger shy yikes!
Your skits are so well edited i sometimes think you have a twin brother
Your mat looks great man, good job
That intro was some pretty good ASMR, not gonna lie
Thank you so very much for talking about how to change the direction to left stick. I was losing my mind.😅
Can’t wait for my desk mat to get here! Now if only I could get some Wulff Den apparel…
I came back to say the part where you bite the fight pad made me laugh entirely too hard
9:39 - hey, I have the same wallpaper as you've got on the far right monitor!
1:40 “look. It’s lenticular, and shows you strong bones versus weak bones!” WHY. ARE. YOU. ME. 💀 I always talk to people about lenticular stuff and they are just like “….cool? 😬” cuz they don’t care about what goes into it. I’m glad I subscribed lol
I ordered one of these guys, though I won't get it until August I think? I'm excited to have it. I like having a bajillion controller options around my house as it kind of makes games a lot of fun to play especially when you wanna change stuff up. Your review highlighted something I haven't seen a lot of people talk about... the keyboard style switches. I'm interested in if I'm going to have to order some new switches, because the ones it comes with sound like they feel REALLY soft.
I know probably no one will see this, just what stand/dock is he using in this? It little like a metal foldable charging stand of some sort.
I got this a little while ago and yeah, its my favorite portable controller! 10/10 would recommend.
been waiting forever for layer shift's loki. already have their odin... but i just discovered golden lever has a version which is a combination of an odin and loki... Now it's just a race either whenever layer shift releases the odin, or whenever shipping to my country resumes from japan/korea to determine which i buy.
I always adore the cinematography and quality of his videos, top notch content, appreciate alot!!!
Finally thank you I’ve been hard decision making of which desk pad I want but God your looks beautiful ima get your instead
I love it. And honestly, when you look at what it would cost to buy the universal fight board, the price isn't bad.
I work with the guy who wrote the software running in this thing; he's a fucking wizard. Absolutely crazy to see something he worked on get coverage here.
The mousepad looks gorgeous. I already have two XL mousepads and love them, swapping them out when they get dirty or I feel like a change. Excited to rotate this new WulffDen one into the roster. 💙
If I ever run into you, I'm going to immediately challenge you to Smash... Just please politely decline because you'll crush me like an egg
Bob... how the heck are you not at 1M subscribers yet :(
Come on people! This guy is awesome!
Deskmat ordered, digging the vibes of the spooky crt in the background.
All this fightpad look super cool and very interesting, but the price is always insane.
That desk mat ad got me. XD
Thank you for another installment of Bob vs Bob.
I personally like that my one thumb controls up/down/left/right. Switching that to four fingers instead sounds exhausting lol
😂 “HEY! Is that Wulff Den?!”
That actually looks pretty cool and so does the desk matt, love the colour.
Would love to try it but already wasted hundreds on keyboards and gamepad stuff, hoping I could find one that didn't set off my carpal tunnel or arthritis... but non ever did, so I'm stuck using Xbox Elite style controllers.
it wouldve been cool if it had an port or hole so to speak where a traditional arcade stick could fit on left side ofcourse and could be screwed out like 1 of those portable retro arcade boxs,would def be worth the price
Ah the rare occasion where Bob puts his face in the thumbnail!
things being perpetually out of stock is a common thing anymore
God I love how bob says "Mario" he says it like "Mare-E-Oh" instead of "Mar-E-oh" but maybe everyone else has been saying it wrong this whole time and bob is right. Im sure he gets this all the time lol
It would be interesting to see a comparison of this controller with the Boxx controller. The Boxx has been out for a while and I believe that Hax$, a pro SSBM player, used and promoted the Boxx controller for a long time.
I see Charlie Days ghost in my hallways too, always asking where Pepe Silvia is and idk what to tell him
The sound effects were great and funny love it
I don't have desk or a PC but I want that Pad
What is the stand you are using at the start of the video? Looks really nice