Legend went to bed that night dishevelled and distressed, still muttering to his wife at 3am about how it must have been friendly fire and not a tower that took out his gyrocopter entity
I love that just over half the dwarf army was entirely superfluous to the victory. Fancy paying all that upkeep for them to sit at the back drinking beer and eating their ploughman's Lol.
the rst of the daerf army played a very important role - they counted as quite a bit of balance of power. If those units weren't there, then the norsca army wou;ldn't have broken when it did,
Just wanna say thanks Legend, thanks to you I won Decisive Defeat as attacker, Warhost of Apocalypse trying to go against Tamurkhan and also Grimgor both gave me headaches, but thanks to you and doggo tactic I lost one battle by withdrawing, dished out damage to attack again with Heroic Victory auto resolve lmao. Archaon was too far to help so I sent my generic Chaos Lords because wanted that territory.
@@connorpfeifer9143 "If God grants us the grace to lose another such battle, Your Majesty can count on all your enemies being destroyed." Maréchal de Villars to Louis XIV after Malpaquet
My E-Mail account notified me twice within 24h of the reply from @DM--LegendOfTotalWar "TOP SO WE TALK PRIVATELY!!!". How is someone intellectually able to programme a bot but then comes up with such a retarded message? The more technology evolves the more the people devolve.
@@frankkobold years ago! he would have a mighty fan in his room for the summer and you would hear it running cause his old mic picked up everything. his dogs would be in the back ground. i loved it! I remember when his voice did a complete 180 when he got his first new mic too
28:45 If there's any proof that Legend has patience, it is how he doesn't rage at his live stream audience after 5 minutes of chat. If he's answered a question from chat, he's answered that question eleventy billion times already.
Just one thing I would like to mention, as a dwarf main: Gyrocopters are actually pretty decent in melee agaist targets that don't fight back well, and that includes buildable settlement towers. You can actually sent multiple units of gyros to melee the same tower as soon as they're built, and they'll kill it fast enough without losing ammo or taking almost any damage
Thanks, Legend! A real masterpiece of patience and target prioritization making the difference! You've also rated this battle. Can we get this rating more often? P.S. You can attack towers with gyros by going to melee mode or using "alt" + "right click".
They have fire while moving. Units with that will fire at the target you tell them to go into melee with before they get to it, even if you have fire at will turned off, so they would waste ammo on the tower on approach.
I've won and lost this battle several times before I considered to send it. It's my current skill, arogance and impolsiveness that led me to submit it. I thought it whould be interesting and entertaining to see how a real pro whoulf handle it. I've learned my lessons. And turns out - it was entertaining.
@@leshiq4214 May I ask if you used some other tactics to win, or same as legend - higher priority sniping? Becuase if you needed to kite enemies and force them to blob up for better bombs\grudge thrower shots it is understandable that you could assume it is a complicated battle.
Imagine flying a helicopter over enemy territory... and low enough to get hit with a throwing axe... helicopters are pretty low survival in range of any enemy fire. Relatively slow, and (realistically) very low armor so they can fly
It’s easy to learn patience… says legend after years of dealing with his stream chat asking the same questions over and over. In the same stream. Forged in the patience fires of mount doom.
This battle is actually a really good example of how incredibly easy minor siege battles are. Have enough ammo? You win. You can usually even get short range units to fire at enemies from slightly outside the settlement border and enemies will almost never charge out to stop you, so those two units of crossbows would also get to use all their ammo before the real "attack" begins.
This was already the case in WH2, but still it's infuriating to see how settlement battles (both siege and minor) are still so ludicrously cheesable as the attacker in version 5.2...
Why were the gyrocopters more accurate against Wulfrik and the skin wolf were kin than they were against the mammoths they cant hit the broadside of a barn but can hit the tiny stuff?????
I appreciate the explanations of why you are doing what you're doing, optimising use for anti large, leadership numbers, when you lose a gyrocopter relitive to health etc
Hey Legend, why do you play with battle realism on? As you say, you don't need to prove that you're good at the game to us, you just want to make entertaining videos. Restricted camera seems to piss you off a lot, and probably detracts from the quality of the video. Also, a minimap would help viewers follow what's happening in the battle overall - it can get disorientating when one is not in control of the camera. Am I missing something?
@@CrimsonUltrafox Lol Legend doesn't trust himself not to pause / half speed of he doesn't play on realism? I understand I guess, this is a similar level of self control that I have
Number one wish list for final units for Dwarfs, Recruitable Trollhammer Gyrocopters, Engineer Gyrocopter Mount and any type of War Golem, Mechanical, Stone, Clay, whatever! Oh! and Boar/Ram riders too!
Gyrocopters do a good job of killing enemy towers in melee. Towers work like flying entities, so every single gyro is able to swarm it and hit it. They can also be used to melee charge fleeing troops and escort them off the battlefield, with 35 MA and 66 WS they aren't nearly as bad as you'd think
Grudge Settler Gyrocopters are OP, probably my fav unit in the new dwarf roster, an ez counter to large unit spam AI loves to use. Also, it wouldn't really help here, but one volley from all 12 units destroys defence towers in one shot. So if you have an ability to restore ammo you can clear all the towers on the map at zero cost basically.
11:40 they’re anti large in the sense that they have a smaller blast radius with higher damage that works better on large entities than dealing with mobs of chaff
@@hooktraining3966 Thats true, they do their job well under the correct circumstances. They hit the mark as a primitive society with monster support. Compared to the other factions who have long range artillery, automatic weapons and flying units they need some love though.
Never thought I'd have a tip for you, but when your gyrocopters rout single units (like at 22:40) just rear charge with the gyrocopters themselves to shatter. No risk, no ammo.
The "Challenge" bit kinda gave me some nostalgia thinking about the peasant challenge. Oh man and look at you know from "Squeaky legend of total war" to "Dad of total war".
Mr Legend. I don't play this particular version of total war but I enjoy watching your saving a disaster battles. You mentioned there was a Boris battle that was extremely difficult. Do you happen to have the link handy? It would be appreciated as I enjoy watching these videos. Thanks.
Good video! I always thought the music changing when the balance of power changes was a mistake, it kinda just defeats the point of not having the balance of power bar to me, anyone else feel like that? :)
Trollhammer Gyrocopters really are the pinnacle of Dwarf technology, even over the Thunder Barges. Hover over an enemy and delete them in 1-2 volleys, my god.
If it's fun for 20 - 30 min, then you can make a proof of concept instead of the full challenge. For example: "Can you win a campain using your starting army?" just needs you to show how to tackle the early game and that one can make the lord in to a one man doom stack. That would need about 10 - 20 Turns in game and 1 - 3 big hard fights.
Not exactly, the first bomb push most of the enemy away from the area of DMG of the bomb and if they don't have time to reform some entity won't get hit if they are pushed away too far
I have found that sige battles, as long as you have artillery/air, are really easy as long as you have patience and pick the enemy apart. One exception being those annoying maps where you cant place the artillery anywhere out of range of towers.
That's how I take on fights with gyros. The only difference is that I mob the towers as they pop up so I don't get shot by the others. Then I focus on the army.
What we've learned from this video is trollhammer torpedo copters are ridiculously overpowered with none of the weaknesses their land based friends have
1) It is close to impossible to make a minor settlement siege challenging AND still doable 2) Why would you need to pause / slow speed in this scenario anyway, when you control 100% of the battle flow 3) more like tougher than 30% of the disasters (how you calculate this is beyond me anyway) Vid is fine tho
I did this kind of stuff hella in my malakai campaign just ran around with like tons of armies with like just a few gyrocopters like this one just minus the extra units he had and expanded super fast i think i took like tons of the chaos wastes and archaon out with like 3 armies with like 5-7 gyrocopters each
The player must have been joking. It's easy to beat most settlement battles even when severely outnumbered, especially with melee heavy enemies. This battle in the field would have been far more difficult.
Minor settlement battle -> not that hard When the enemy basically doesn't react to your actions, given your army is decent enough you can win it. I've won countless minor settlement battles with similar odds (and given the catapult and infantry didn't play at all, probably even a few worse) because they're just that easy to cheese. So yeah, if you want to give someone, especially Legend, a challenge... don't use a settlement battle. As he said, it's not difficulty here, but patience that does the trick
Legend went to bed that night dishevelled and distressed, still muttering to his wife at 3am about how it must have been friendly fire and not a tower that took out his gyrocopter entity
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Naaah I am dying 🤣🤣🤣
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In his death bed "It must have been ... friendly fire ... a tower ... couldn't have ... **dies**
confirmed tower. at around 8:20, sleep well Legend
mmm monke
The fact this comment gives me the option "translate to English" is funny lmao
"Ve.. Ve has fount da barricades, naw ve wil fand da wa.. wa.. _Aghhh!!_ "
Stick throwers 😢
the irony that you made a video on how norsca is unable to deal with air and legend makes this video.
Yeah the moment I saw what this video is about I could only think about MORE STICK THROWERS. And here you are in the comment section.
I love that just over half the dwarf army was entirely superfluous to the victory. Fancy paying all that upkeep for them to sit at the back drinking beer and eating their ploughman's Lol.
the trollhammer gyros are just silly, everything else is irrelevant compared
To be honest, miners aren't expensive
This is how every company in existence operates as well for your information. A few people carry all the others.
the rst of the daerf army played a very important role - they counted as quite a bit of balance of power. If those units weren't there, then the norsca army wou;ldn't have broken when it did,
well they did provide balance of power
>two trollhammer gyros
Easier than 70% of Disasters already, sorry.
Just wanna say thanks Legend, thanks to you I won Decisive Defeat as attacker, Warhost of Apocalypse trying to go against Tamurkhan and also Grimgor both gave me headaches, but thanks to you and doggo tactic I lost one battle by withdrawing, dished out damage to attack again with Heroic Victory auto resolve lmao. Archaon was too far to help so I sent my generic Chaos Lords because wanted that territory.
Tactical retreats are not always defeat! Losing a battle can win a war if done right!
@@connorpfeifer9143 "If God grants us the grace to lose another such battle, Your Majesty can count on all your enemies being destroyed."
Maréchal de Villars to Louis XIV after Malpaquet
Almost 3.000 hours and today I learned about the shattering points. Thank you Legend!
My E-Mail account notified me twice within 24h of the reply from @DM--LegendOfTotalWar "TOP SO WE TALK PRIVATELY!!!". How is someone intellectually able to programme a bot but then comes up with such a retarded message? The more technology evolves the more the people devolve.
i haven't been this early since legend had a loud fan taking over the mic
When/where did that happen? Oo
@@frankkobold years ago! he would have a mighty fan in his room for the summer and you would hear it running cause his old mic picked up everything. his dogs would be in the back ground. i loved it! I remember when his voice did a complete 180 when he got his first new mic too
@@iwantcrawfish6110 hm, never knew that, thanks :)
And the birds in the background, don't forget those!
@@The_Blackshield oh yes, the birbs too!
28:45 If there's any proof that Legend has patience, it is how he doesn't rage at his live stream audience after 5 minutes of chat. If he's answered a question from chat, he's answered that question eleventy billion times already.
Just one thing I would like to mention, as a dwarf main: Gyrocopters are actually pretty decent in melee agaist targets that don't fight back well, and that includes buildable settlement towers. You can actually sent multiple units of gyros to melee the same tower as soon as they're built, and they'll kill it fast enough without losing ammo or taking almost any damage
It's like a sentient cannonball
The guy in the email "Legend, trial by combat !"
Legend: "So you have chosen... Death."
Thanks, Legend!
A real masterpiece of patience and target prioritization making the difference!
You've also rated this battle. Can we get this rating more often?
P.S. You can attack towers with gyros by going to melee mode or using "alt" + "right click".
I think he was saying the tower would shoot the copters, so they'd lose entities. Not sure though, but that would make the most sense.
Sometimes if unit have ammo and go in melee they can try to shoot their ammo on target they attack in melee
They have fire while moving. Units with that will fire at the target you tell them to go into melee with before they get to it, even if you have fire at will turned off, so they would waste ammo on the tower on approach.
Bro got tired handling an easy, but long fight so they decided to gaslight Legend into finishing it for them.
I've won and lost this battle several times before I considered to send it. It's my current skill, arogance and impolsiveness that led me to submit it. I thought it whould be interesting and entertaining to see how a real pro whoulf handle it. I've learned my lessons. And turns out - it was entertaining.
@@leshiq4214 May I ask if you used some other tactics to win, or same as legend - higher priority sniping? Becuase if you needed to kite enemies and force them to blob up for better bombs\grudge thrower shots it is understandable that you could assume it is a complicated battle.
10:58
Imagine throwing an axe with so much force that you knock out a helicopter
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This should be in Olympics!
Theres a fun story of a farmer taking out an attack heli with a rock because they didn't have any protection on the engine intakes.
@@MsArchitectschannelpretty sure that’s just Rambo first blood lol
Imagine flying a helicopter over enemy territory... and low enough to get hit with a throwing axe... helicopters are pretty low survival in range of any enemy fire. Relatively slow, and (realistically) very low armor so they can fly
It’s easy to learn patience… says legend after years of dealing with his stream chat asking the same questions over and over. In the same stream. Forged in the patience fires of mount doom.
Legend: “If they had more ammunition it would definitely be better, but they’re shorter range.”
Thorgrim: “Short?!”
This battle is actually a really good example of how incredibly easy minor siege battles are. Have enough ammo? You win. You can usually even get short range units to fire at enemies from slightly outside the settlement border and enemies will almost never charge out to stop you, so those two units of crossbows would also get to use all their ammo before the real "attack" begins.
This was already the case in WH2, but still it's infuriating to see how settlement battles (both siege and minor) are still so ludicrously cheesable as the attacker in version 5.2...
Why were the gyrocopters more accurate against Wulfrik and the skin wolf were kin than they were against the mammoths they cant hit the broadside of a barn but can hit the tiny stuff?????
Because CA sucks at making hitboxes for large things. Just to name some: Katherines sled, kislevs icedragon, varghulfs etc.
Hit boxes
Because mammoths have Secret Dodge skills otherwise they would have gone extinced a Long time ago
Wulfric has a giant magnet that just sucks in projectiles on his chariot
I remember SYDB from 2020, when Legend have to kill tons of lizards with sisters of avelorn doomstack, that one was hard af
I remember when he had a bunch of trolls and had to kill a full Archeon doomstack.
I appreciate the explanations of why you are doing what you're doing, optimising use for anti large, leadership numbers, when you lose a gyrocopter relitive to health etc
The dwarves' theme in this battle was actually Fortunate Son
great video, tons of information about which targets to aim for
Hey Legend, why do you play with battle realism on? As you say, you don't need to prove that you're good at the game to us, you just want to make entertaining videos. Restricted camera seems to piss you off a lot, and probably detracts from the quality of the video. Also, a minimap would help viewers follow what's happening in the battle overall - it can get disorientating when one is not in control of the camera. Am I missing something?
It's probably to keep the suspense up and weed out the slow speed and pausing. Legend has always played that way in the years I've known him.
@@CrimsonUltrafox Lol Legend doesn't trust himself not to pause / half speed of he doesn't play on realism? I understand I guess, this is a similar level of self control that I have
@@nathanturner21 in wh2 he never had a problem with pausing/slowmo. I think its more of just being used to it
@@michasokoowski6651 agreed, i think it's just a habit for him by now
Love the video. Really helps me learn how to handle these situations, think it through, make a plan, follow the plan.
Number one wish list for final units for Dwarfs, Recruitable Trollhammer Gyrocopters, Engineer Gyrocopter Mount and any type of War Golem, Mechanical, Stone, Clay, whatever!
Oh! and Boar/Ram riders too!
All those exists via mods unless your an anti mod user of course.
Gyrocopters do a good job of killing enemy towers in melee. Towers work like flying entities, so every single gyro is able to swarm it and hit it. They can also be used to melee charge fleeing troops and escort them off the battlefield, with 35 MA and 66 WS they aren't nearly as bad as you'd think
Grudge Settler Gyrocopters are OP, probably my fav unit in the new dwarf roster, an ez counter to large unit spam AI loves to use. Also, it wouldn't really help here, but one volley from all 12 units destroys defence towers in one shot. So if you have an ability to restore ammo you can clear all the towers on the map at zero cost basically.
You can. Cycle melee charge. Then you can use the extra ammo on units.
Unga Bunga tide
Tarrif memes intensify...
Loved this challenge format, I'm a good "chalker" got a few challenges I'd like to see you try 😊
Over 1500 hours in and I never knew about the shatter point... always learn something from Legend.
11:40 they’re anti large in the sense that they have a smaller blast radius with higher damage that works better on large entities than dealing with mobs of chaff
I stopped watching your videos a few years ago because you never seemed like you enjoyed making the videos you made. Glad you found your spark again
Content creators get burnt out too.
@@Xelief Yeah and it isn't fun to watch their content if they do. People can get burnt out, but I think their content gets worse when they are.
Great video and you should do more of this format!
If I didn’t mod my campaigns (QoL + Community Bugfix Mod) I’d have allot of saves to send you 😂
0:45 SHORT?
!NO ALLIANCE! 🗣️🗣️🗣️
BOOOOK!!!
33:44 SHORT?!! 2
Alternate video title: how to get a heroic victory against two full stacks of high quality norscan units with 8 gyrocopters
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Which is it - high quality units, or Norscans?
@@13g0man they may be boring, lack versatility, and poorly designed but they are still strong
@@hooktraining3966 Thats true, they do their job well under the correct circumstances. They hit the mark as a primitive society with monster support. Compared to the other factions who have long range artillery, automatic weapons and flying units they need some love though.
The name of the skin wolf hero had me dying... "Carlos Halvheim"... he is half wolf and half mexican
I definitely did learn. Thank you.
No doubt his first name is Legend
Never thought I'd have a tip for you, but when your gyrocopters rout single units (like at 22:40) just rear charge with the gyrocopters themselves to shatter. No risk, no ammo.
Holy crap... Legend must have taken the challenge personally... I've seen him win harder battles less carefully.
The "Challenge" bit kinda gave me some nostalgia thinking about the peasant challenge. Oh man and look at you know from "Squeaky legend of total war" to "Dad of total war".
Loosing that Gyrocopter was a failure that will keep the legend up at nights for years to come.
I think they took friendly fire when killing single entities and the tower just finished off a damaged one.
0:45 SHORT!?
One very, very sad grudge thrower :(
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on the bright side, it gets to keep all it's grudges
The Trollhammer damage is insane (and for that matter the normal irondrake/fire damage as well)
Mr Legend. I don't play this particular version of total war but I enjoy watching your saving a disaster battles. You mentioned there was a Boris battle that was extremely difficult. Do you happen to have the link handy? It would be appreciated as I enjoy watching these videos. Thanks.
Now a challenge would be fighting this same battle but in a siege defence...
Good video! I always thought the music changing when the balance of power changes was a mistake, it kinda just defeats the point of not having the balance of power bar to me, anyone else feel like that? :)
Legend bringing havoc with the helicopters
*Fortunate son triggered*
Trollhammer Gyrocopters really are the pinnacle of Dwarf technology, even over the Thunder Barges. Hover over an enemy and delete them in 1-2 volleys, my god.
I wish I was as careful with my money as Legend is with Trollhammer ammo
Gyrocopters are just OP vs Norsca and its paltry missile units, even with say 6 Gyros and an Engineer it would have been winnable
I liked this battle. It made me happy to see the steps of the battle.
If it's fun for 20 - 30 min, then you can make a proof of concept instead of the full challenge.
For example: "Can you win a campain using your starting army?" just needs you to show how to tackle the early game and that one can make the lord in to a one man doom stack.
That would need about 10 - 20 Turns in game and 1 - 3 big hard fights.
Checked it and it was indeed a tower that destroyed 1 of the gyrocopters
Sometimes legend is a cocky bastard but damn if it isn't warranted
28:32 I'm not sure but I think if you drop the bombs too close together they do reduced damage
Not exactly, the first bomb push most of the enemy away from the area of DMG of the bomb and if they don't have time to reform some entity won't get hit if they are pushed away too far
The ol' use the grudge settlers to absorb ammo and take out towers even though they don't replenish tactic, clever
I find that at long range the gyro missiles heat seak and don't miss, which might be better than at close range
Call me crazy. I like this content more than some of the actual “disaster” battles. I nice mix every now and then?
I have found that sige battles, as long as you have artillery/air, are really easy as long as you have patience and pick the enemy apart. One exception being those annoying maps where you cant place the artillery anywhere out of range of towers.
That's how I take on fights with gyros. The only difference is that I mob the towers as they pop up so I don't get shot by the others. Then I focus on the army.
Haven’t been this early since Legend was playing Medieval 3
For a challenge video. The gyrocopters make it quite easy 😂😂😂
Gonna send in the very first Cathayan battle on Easy now, definitely harder than disasters we're seeing Kappa.
fun to watch, your commentary makes it great
What we've learned from this video is trollhammer torpedo copters are ridiculously overpowered with none of the weaknesses their land based friends have
Man you make these battles look so trivial and thats coming from someone with 4k hours played
It was, in fact, a tower. It's very clear.
Those red Gyros are always battle savings for me. Few shots at biggies and they done.
Range 2 grudge throwers. Gotta love ‘em.
1) It is close to impossible to make a minor settlement siege challenging AND still doable
2) Why would you need to pause / slow speed in this scenario anyway, when you control 100% of the battle flow
3) more like tougher than 30% of the disasters (how you calculate this is beyond me anyway)
Vid is fine tho
Come for the fight; stay for the roast.
I did this kind of stuff hella in my malakai campaign just ran around with like tons of armies with like just a few gyrocopters like this one just minus the extra units he had and expanded super fast i think i took like tons of the chaos wastes and archaon out with like 3 armies with like 5-7 gyrocopters each
The "Short?!" joke sends me every time. It's stupid and it shouldn't but damn does it hit.
I remember 1 Frankish General left out in Arabia
my thought on the odd death early on was you friendly fired yourself to very low hp then was finished off by a tower
Should have said 69% of disasters, missed opportunity for clickbait title.
Dang it! How could he miss that?!🤣
The player must have been joking. It's easy to beat most settlement battles even when severely outnumbered, especially with melee heavy enemies. This battle in the field would have been far more difficult.
Who would win: Advanced Dwarfen engineering and extensive use of gunpowder or Monke
Wulfrik FINALLY decided to stop being a meme, and it’s THAT GUYS FAULT! He’s down there!!!👇🏾🤣
2 out of 10, that burn will hurt lol
It's just though!🥲
Gyrocopters actually deal fairly decent damage in melee, resulting in them being rather good at killing towers
Legend is the KING!
what video is the Boris one that took you the whole night?
"Everything depends on Boris" - it's really great!
As soon as I saw it I knew it was not going to be hard lol
"Anyone can learn patience...." Shut up Legend, there is no need for that personal attack!
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Anyone else completed the "Share your thoughts on Total War" email from Sega?
I found it quite enjoyable, especially all the strongly disagrees.
0:46 "SHORT?!"
Short..ammo supply ,aye. Good map? Wants Tusker cloaks. Animal Skinin Time Short temper ah remember the Fort Guns challange that was nice too WHII
Try as he may.. Not even legend can teach his Dog to change a didi at 0330hrs
LegendofTotalWar you are the best
Wait...the music changes if the balance of power is in your favor?!
Legend strikes again! 😅
Dwarf airforce is really now s tier and not 1 thunderbarge as well
I enjoyed this. Kindly accept another challenge.
Minor settlement battle -> not that hard
When the enemy basically doesn't react to your actions, given your army is decent enough you can win it. I've won countless minor settlement battles with similar odds (and given the catapult and infantry didn't play at all, probably even a few worse) because they're just that easy to cheese.
So yeah, if you want to give someone, especially Legend, a challenge... don't use a settlement battle. As he said, it's not difficulty here, but patience that does the trick
is that a mod that shows the level of the lords and heroes? im sure i cant see their levels when im playing
bro has drones vs wild animals seem balanced
Those Skin Wolves can dodge a crossbow shot, but can they dodge a wrench?
offensive sieges against twwh3 ai is literally the most cheesable battle possible... lmao