Thing about the Witch queen story compared to TTK and Forsaken is that it had a much bigger and grander build up to it. Forsaken itself was a part of the buildup to Witch queen too.
Witch queen endgame and pretty much everything else is for casual players, that’s what the game is heading to. Personally I don’t think bungie is right about that because it destroys the concept the of a looter shooter itself.
@@Skm00n I think the endgame is nearly perfect rn. Thé raid is absolutely amazing and tied for my favorite raid with wrath of the machine. The endgame offers stuff in the sense of titles and optimal build setups. It can be boring to most, but some want to fine tune and craft their build to perfection. Destiny can always be better, but at this current moment, it’s the best it’s ever been.
@@Skm00n the majority of the player base is becoming casual, or is causal, and we have to recognize that. As long as the game offers challenging and REWARDING endgame content (grandmasters, trials, raids, master raids, titles, etc.) I think it’ll be alright
The reason I think I liked forsaken so much was because it’s story hit on a personal level. It wasn’t just the guardian who wanted revenge for Cayde, it was the player as well.
@@mezias00 I treat uldren and the crow as different people because they really are. Imagine if our guardian was a mass murderer in their mortal lives, but now they are the savior of humanity.
That’s the reason forsaken was so hyped. The game was dying it was looking grim for the future of the game and bungie released the reveal for caydes death and that sparked the player base to return for vengeance
Bro no. Caydes death was a joke. Not only was it overplayed in all the trailers, but the villains were meh as always. Acting like cayde was a good character because he made jokes is just wrong
Ghost saying the intro? Almost as good as when Savathuun did. I'm impressed. Side note, purely due to my bias of not having been playing for The Taken King or Forsaken (till near the end), The Witch Queen is the best for me. There are tons of reasons I love it, but I recognize the main reason I don't think the same if the others is bias.
I don’t think the dlcs have gotten worse but our expectations have just grown so I think that we can still criticize the parts of destiny we would like bungie to improve but we should also tell bungie what we like in the game so they can do more of that. In the end we should just go into the game with a more positive attitude.(because let’s be honest if you have a few thousand hours of playtime just like me the game can’t be that bad)
not just that we want more while bungie is actually capable of less because of their leaving of activision, and i don't think sony is going to be giving them the resources on that scale either better then now yes but not as much
Overall, I believe that The Witch Queen is my favourite expansion. It’s the first time that the campaign has felt that it was meaty in terms of difficulty with the Legendary version giving Savathûn’s boss fight the necessary weight. There’s also the fact that Vow is a fantastic raid with a self contained story that actually builds up a lot for future stories. Forsaken was brilliant and did a lot for D2, like TTK did before it for D1, but had a better narrative that felt like an actual follow up to TTK, with the consequences of Mara Sov’s grand plan and the secrecy she placed on it playing out before our eyes. It also marks the first time by the end of the story that we lost, completely, having played right into Savathûn’s hands. However, with that being said, TTK has something that no DLC has managed to capture since. Narrative funnelling. Because every single piece of content, the campaign, the post-campaign quests, the exotic quests, Court of Oryx, the raid, everything is funnelling down to one cohesive end. Killing Oryx. It is laser focused and I have to give it props for that.
I dont know who said it, but Forsaken and TTK were great DLC's, because they revived the game from near death (especially Forsaken). However, WQ didnt revive the game because the game wasnt dead in the leadup. I would argue that WQ should not be considered in the same vein as other dlcs for that reason.
I'd argue that the game has been dead since shadowkeep and the Witch Queen revived it for about 5 minutes until everyone realized that there was nothing else to do. Then it died again.
I think you’re thinking of Bricky. He did a great video on WQ. He talked about how TTK and Forsaken brought the game back from the brink, but WQ took an already great position from the seasonal content and pushed it even further
Thank you Evan. Finally someone with the same opinion as me. Despite all the hype of the release, two months later we came to the conclusion that the Witch Queen has, after all, a great lack of things that "worth" doing.
Suppose we’ll gloss over taken kings new sword weapon type and elemental specific exotics of them, gunsmith weapon day and weapons, class specific gunsmith exotics, strike specific loot, and eververse… but worth noting since those are things I attribute to taken king
i just realized a way to make destiny 2 significantly better is just to let us play past missions like WQ does, then it feels a little more like halo with the replayability
Is a bit hard to judge each expension since the state the game was in before them is quite different. I'd say that both Forsaken and Witch Queen are above TTK in terms of story telling, world building and integration of both into the gameplay, however The Taken King in terms of sheer content amount is way way above anything we will see and as an old player, I remember that content even if "less good" more fondly than anything D2 has introduced. Personally havent played D2 in years, I follow the game because of its story but I played it for PVP and competitive and Bungie has criminally ignored and actively killed that side of the community and that is something that neither Forsaken nor Witch Queen have improved. Forsaken was the necessary upgrade D2 had to undergo to get out of the hole Bungie had left the franchise after failing to deliver an upgrade over the final form of D1 and the content it introduced was amazing and finally a reason to be optimistic about D2. However I think it was this expansion what killed my interest for the game, the big change towards a more RPG formula that for me turned the game from a hobby into a chore and the removal of Trials of the 9 and overall neglect of the PVP side of the game just couldnt keep my friends around and I dropped soon after... Witch Queen (even tho I havent played it I still follow the game closely) is what feels like the best Destiny 2 has ever been, the climax of years of improvement by bungie... but again, Bungie has kept ignoring pvp and is just sad that we have barely received any content (outside if stasis that was more damaging than anything else) thus I have no reason to come back. Sorry if you disagree, but as a pvp player Destiny has never been better than during TTK to Rise of Iron.
As someone who has played since the beginning of D1, Forsaken is probably the best expansion. However, it's kinda unfair to judge alongside the others, since multiple studios besides Bungie helped with it.
I give that award to forsaken, there will be differences of opinion, but the thing that tips the scale for me was the TLC put into last wish over any other raid
This is my favorite thumbnail of all time for all of your videos Evan! The mix and the colors, the contrast of light between dark and the story between the torn siblings is portrayed through this and it screams professional and experience player! Great job dude
Witch queen is fun but it didn’t do anything new it just added more. Also it was way more content light then I would have liked and bungies continued lack of pvp content is really hurting my ability to spend a lot of time in destiny.
Seeing D2 gameplay post beyond light makes me want to play D2. But then I come back and have so much stuff to do, things feel endless and I hate that battle pass so much.
Really not too many things you NEED to do, and if you have any friends that play they can point you towards things you should do. One of my friends recently started playing and he’s just going at his own pace Plus the battle pass is completely passive to level outside of some optional challenges to speed it up
Despite the draught of content from December to the April update, TTK still was the best DLC. While it did focus on the story/Dreadnaught and the loot, it gave meaningful updates t almost everything in the game. The Witch Queen's and Forsaken's story may be better, but outside of creating/updating Gambit, there have been no updates to the base game other than the story/lore.
Forsaken introduced dungeons, gambit, 9 supers, lore books, in depth weekly activities with ascendant challenges and continuing dreaming city narrative, the best location they’ve ever made imo, and more. Forsaken did everything that Taken King but better imo, on top of the new content that Forsaken brought in.
@@StaySqueezy12 just supers tho tk added a whole new subclass forsaken just added a branch lore books were already in the game in rise of iron and tk expanded on destiny adding new systems better balance forsaken didnt really add much new i could call crota a dungeon and bungie had been adding weekly things even in taken king
Honestly, witch queen is very well crafted and was awesome during the first week. That being said, nothing had as much sustained love and attention as forsaken, I put in so much time and was never bored. At the current state of destiny I have never been more burnt out.
forsaken hands down is the best because each seasonal content is feels unique with own separate play area, instead of reusing the same public area and boring mechanics over and over again, (motes, dunking) and ship it as new package, its feels old and cheap to be called as 'seasonal content'. You can see it ever since bungie split from Activision, they have to pump out new season with currently whatever asset they have without putting too much strain on the resources, the result? recycled content/map area and mechanics. Every weeks you are told to the repeated quest, mechanics of seasonal activities in drip feeding fashion with NPC dialogue as the engine to move the 'season progression'. ("you done for this week, come back next week for the story progression", or the most blantant was in Season of the Lost, in order to stretch 6 months, they put the narrative, "oh, we need to wait for correct time to exorcise the worm" BS Left the lore and NPC dialogue do the heavy weight lifting because from development standpoint that is by far the cheapest to make.
I feel like the Witch Queen is way better, but it came out at a really bad time (3 days before Elden Ring). That’s really killed my hype for it because I’ve just been way more excited for Elden Ring.
Not sure if it's just me but I really liked the fact that Bungue decided to switch Peter Dinklage to Nolan North as the VA for our Ghost; it just clicks so much more for me.
I was much more casual when I played the taken king, and went much more slowly with it than i did with witch queen. I plowed through witch queen as fast as I could and burned myself out in the first two weeks.
At this point I definitely think the times I had during forsaken were the best in destiny 2. Grinding leviathan when it was still in the game and getting no time to explain dropped off scourge in the same expansion just felt awesome. Wish they would bring back raid sparrows
Well, I would like go to "raid" where instead of "killing and defeating opponents" objective , we have to guard or protect something. The Raid (for example, in the future expansion) where we start under the traveler, we climb up defending and repelling enemy attacks, encounter after encounter where we defend the city and traveler just to be abandoned by the traveler after last boss fight. Something like that would blow my brain ^.^
I think taken king was a better dlc because it had content that lasted for months to come and witch queen does not have this amount of content because of the seasonal content model we have now in destiny 2.
Difficult question indeed. I agree with Forsaken being better than Taken King. And also being the best overall due to what it brought to the table, especially the Dreaming City. Still, I would give Witch Queen my preference (barely a few points) just because it is the campaign I enjoyed the most, by far!
While I think witch queen is the best of these dlcs, I still think taken king is my favorite. I think it’s because despite the throne world belonging to Savathun hive god of cunning, lies, and secrets, her throneworld at least to me is lacking in those aspects. In comparison I feel like the dreadnought had those in spades. I remember spending hours on hours looking for every secret. Also while votd is a phenomenal raid I will always remember killing oryx for the first time. Watching his body drift towards Saturn was so satisfying
Honestly, idk I know now in the grand scheme oryx is just a small part of the darkness. But in 2015 playing through that campaign, exploring the dreadnaught, with the gritty/serious/d1 color scheme, is unmatched to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the other dlcs (forsaken and witch queen) but ttk did so much for the game, so many new strikes, crucible additions, the raid, swords, sidearms. It’s just the best relative to it’s time. Ttk in 2015 did more than what forsaken did in 2018 and witch queen this year.
The Taken King is the best by far. It launched Destiny into it's golden age, revived the game, and made it more popular than ever before. It introduced 3 brand new subclasses, added some of the most iconic weapons of all time, gave us a great campaign, and gave us the definitive best Destiny villain with Oryx, along with the raid that all other raids are measured against. There is no argument to be made other than The Witch Queen having a better campaign. That's the only thing it has going for it against The Taken King.
Imo what needs to happen in the next expansion, at least 6 new crucible maps (not ports from d1, new), 5 new strikes, bring back strike specific loot, make strike loot better, build the foundations of the game
I haven't played during TK, but I have played through the other two. To me it's Forsaken, as it came out like a nuke drop, it ALTERED the game, had huge amounts of content, exotics and missions I hunted through the entire year, insane exotics and new supers. But it was made at a different time, WQ was created with a smaller team, that didn't need to salvage the game but bring it to the new age, and I think WQ will have a better overall year. WQ is an expansion that is part of the whole package IMO, and the seasons will be 100x superior to Forsaken's.
The taken king also altered the game, it revamped light leveling system, leveling system, added 3 subclasses, revamped infusion, revamped quests, added 30+ exotics, a new zone that literally never got boring, a revamp to campaign, revamp to lore and all that back in the day being made by a singular team, being compared to expansions that delivered less that had 2-3 teams working on it
The post campaign in witch queen is pretty lacking in my opinion and raidweapons should not be craftable for me. And the adept raid weapons shpuld drop with the upgraded perks as a default. And the strike playlist needs a rework. Those are the problems that came with witch queen imo.
the throne world patrol feels lacking and more empty than it should be. Like they had the opportunity to add so many secrets beyond deep sight chests and the inquisitors that could’ve been made towards more endgame or close to it like content. More world bosses with specific loot, named hive guardians and more of them in general. Lots of portals to shortcut locations with nothing really in them and the few puzzles they have may drop some general world loot at best a bunch of blues or just throne world rank at worst . Definitely more exotics not counting seasonal weapons and counting the exotic glaives as one we had a total of four new exotics that includes the raid weapon. Then two amour pieces per class. The playlists issues remain as you mentioned.
So true. I loved the story but had to leave during season 17 because it felt like there was nothing new to chase after. Plus the leviathan is boring and small imo
I played vanilla destiny so my opinion is 100% biased. The taken king brought me back into destiny and held me though the wrath of the machine. WotM will always be my favorite DLC because of the memories playing with so many friends and randos. Walking them through the raid and the crazy fun elaborate puzzle. Forsaken brought me back to D2 after first buying it but it didn’t have the same hold at TTK.
13:52 elden ring? Seems pretty relevant still from what I can tell, obviously it has good reason to be an outlier though, it actually launched as a full game lmao
I love what all three expansions did for the games. For me, I love this Marvel format, while also understanding it is a mixed bag. Personally, Witch Queen is my favorite, and it was a much more compelling story than Taken King or Forsaken. At the same time, I also recognize that I am more active in the game now than I ever was in the Forsaken or Taken King eras.
Destiny in its self has gone through a roller coaster of forms. First it seemed linear, light vs dark, then it expanded and felt like more than just light v dark, it felt like light vs dark vs the vex vs calus, but then it goes linear again. Light vs dark, but, we now have a beter understanding of how deep this light v Darkstar goes. After Wtch Queen we can see how deep the manipulations of Savathun Actrally were. And now with lightfall and final shape we will get to see what shape this battle of light v dark will take inthe end
It is really unfortunate that I cannot ~fully~ participate in this conversation as I wasn't around for The Taken King. There's a ton of discussion out there around this subject and I really like your approach/thought process...and I actually think I agree with you. I was on the fence, leaning towards Which Queen just because of the strong story and the RE-playable (normal and legendary) campaign missions. Honestly, what kept me from casting a final vote was only two things: 1.) Cade's arrogant line: "How's your sister?". To me, the writer or writers who came up with that, should have gotten one huge bonus. 2.) Savathun is 1,000,000s of years old, outsmarted the traveller, and has been built up for as long as Destiny is around, yet we ~win~ her just like that...I know she's not dead, but it didn't feel right. Don't know what would have been a ~better~ ending, personally I just didn't like this one too much. Thanks for all the great content.
Yeah I agree with 2. She‘s literally billions of years old, though to be fair she probably lost her darkness powers after her worm got exorcised. So she was probably roughly as powerful as us tbh.
@@requiemlul3140 I thought about that, but she didn't lose any of her deviousness (not sure that's even a word) so I thought then experience (billions of years) has to count for something. Maybe she's just been built up too much in my mind.
@@barendnaude4950 Deviousness can only bring you so far. In my mind, this thing with the Traveler was an all or nothing basically. She needed to help weaving and she couldn’t leave, so she had no other choice. Also the fact that we pretty much broke her by showing her she was tricked all along.
I do largely agree with you on a lot of it, however I dont feel like WItch Queen was given enough credit, and the only passiong mentions of the Raids throughout was a miss chance in my opinion as thet offer a lot of insight into design principles of their eras. Fosaken was still the best (in my opinion), and I am super excited to see what the remainder of this year brings to the franchise!
In my personal opinion, I feel like Taken King is by far the best expansion, not just because I’m biased because that’s when I started, but the raid, the big switch in the game, the iconic 3 new supers, the cinematic, and the continuing story from Crota’s death. And people may not agree that it’s the best, which is fine, buts it my opinion , but I think for people who played the expansion can agree that it was so the most memorable, and a great expansion overall.
I like to think that witch queen offered a great experience up front, and leaves older aspects of the game to pick up the slack in leftover places. GM nightfalls, soon to be raid rotations, etc etc. VoD is a great raid, and is a good challenge for anyone who wants to try raiding. Anyone who can complete VoD can do the other raids. But, let’s be honest, not much as happened since the Day 1 raid race. We’ve had some repeatable missions tell us some story, the weekly story ended fairly close to the release of witch queen (if you’d ask me, I’d actually delay the season’s start until the day 1 raid was over. Just a thought.) However, this downtime has given me the opportunity to start getting back into PvP, playing side content, crafting weapons… so for slightly less casual players, we see this as a great opportunity to get some side grind done. Also, guardian games started today! So that’s a neat way to keep the game fresh right before a new season begins. Unfortunately it’s only like a week or two, so don’t get your hopes up. Witch queen is a good update. All three of these DLC’s talked about in the video are. But I can’t let witch queen be number one. Especially since crucible & gambit are especially dry.
The two expansions relating to the two biggest hive gods is just amazing, their stories are just so well built with the things they’ve done clashing in so many ways more than one
Just one guardian's humble opinion: Best DLC Narratively > The Witch Queen. Best DLC for QoL Improvements: The Taken King (plus.. King's Fall was excellent) Forsaken did for D2 what TTK did for D1 as far as fixing major issues and while I loved Forsaken, TTK just edges it a little bit for me. Beyond Light was fun the first time but feels a little disjointed from the overall narrative but there's room for Bungie to plug it back in in the future. Like you said.. whichever one you loved the most is the best one and to add to that, it's ok to like them all for different reasons.
I don’t think you can compare either of them. They each had QoL changes that were just improved versions of what we had had before (ie infusion and gear score leveling system for taken king, primary/special/heavy ammo where special weapons can drop in the kinetic slot in Forsaken, and massively improved customizable subclasses in witch queen which was just a better version of D1’s system). I feel like if you took the taken king and stretched it across 4 seasons it probably wouldn’t be as impressive. They all arrived at a time when the game and the players needed them the most. I think it’s safe to say that these DLC’s are all the best.
I started play destiny when the beat came out and bought the game. Me being in middle school at the time, I couldn’t really buy any DLCs plus I lost interest. Fast forward into foresaken. I feel in love with the world and story. Foresaken is the reason why I even played the game. Witch queen on the other hand I just love the story telling and that made me really satisfied. Destiny have a hard time telling a story like they do in the books, witch queen did it perfect for me.
This may be nostalgia talking, but I 100% think The Taken King was the best content Destiny ever got. The key difference between TTK and the Destiny 2 DLCs, is that D2 is still receiving content; there were periods after Forsaken where the game felt nearly as "meh" as it did at launch. In contrast, The Taken King paved a path forward for Destiny 1 that was continuously well made; I never felt my enjoyment of the game fluctuate after TTK the way I have these past couple years in Destiny 2. From a contextual/historical standpoint, The Taken King honestly saved Destiny as a franchise. It re-invented the game, and is the primary reason I wish Destiny 1 would receive a PC port.
I don't know how one can even compare witch queen to the 2 masterpieces that were forsaken and taken king. It's lackluster in the shadow of the 2 greats.
I will say all are the best, heck, I think they are perfected in their own way, but one thing rings true to them all, they change how we play, TK, extra subclasses, and new exotics. Forsaken, New perks and supers as well as the new weapons system. And witch queen, Void 3.0, weapon crafting, the glave, ect. That's what I see in all of them, they change how we play. But if you have to make me pick.......forsaken, for the story, and the new weapons system.
For me the problem is that the witch legendary experience is the most fun I have ever had playing destiny, and it just dwarfs the campaigns of the other 2.
I think Rise of Iron is as good as the others. We got a great story with Lord salad man, the plaguelands, archons forge, updated raids with great armor, amazing soundtrack, reworked artifacts, 3 new crucible maps and a new gamemode supremacy as well as private game modes was added, a new raid, a new strike and Rise of Iron Record Book that allows players to track their progress through the expansion's content. And we got all that for $30 Im sure I missed some other stuff too, Rise of Iron made Destiny 1 go out with a bang
I’m excited to see the progression of destiny through the next couple seasons of Witch Queen. I hope in Light Fall we get a different leveling system. I trust bungie will make the right calls. They are very connected to the community and seem to have a passion for the game ☺️
I definitely appreciate the breakdown here. Imo, Taken King felt like a much heftier expansion on the universe than Forsaken, even though by the numbers Forsaken was likely more content than Taken King. The reason for this though is the narrative stakes that those expansions toy with. In Forsaken we're dragged along every week to learn that the stakes are higher than we realize, but we're never met with the impact of those stakes until after the DLC is finished. Who can honestly say that they understood Uldren's motives and goals during Forsaken *before* the Raid dropped and *before* all the recent Savathun lore which explains so much more of Forsaken. There's a lot of Forsaken's story that only gains teeth and meaning after the fact. Comparatively... Taken King's stakes are immediately evident as the entire premise is "Oryx of coming to avenge his son...who you specifically murdered". The weight of the consequences of your actions is instantly made known and that weight follows you all throughout the story and supplimental activities (barring Crucible) because the things that happen are because of you! This fundamental difference in the context of the narrative is why I'll always lean towards Taken King as best DLC. It did the narrative portion right and established so many new ideas that, even this video points out, are being used in modern Destiny constantly. That all being said, I'll never knock Forsaken and Witch Queen too hard, they also introduced so much cool and new stuff and have really good stories in their own right.
Tbh, I think that I would love Alchemist's Rainment to come back into D2, hell maybe even buff it to where it has a chance to drop 1 legendary shard or Enchantment Cores with each kill.
CB's Smile through the entire ad looked like his willpower was the only thing holding his laughter back.🤣
Was that Sweat in the wig? 😂
@@cammccauley it was🤣
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Thing about the Witch queen story compared to TTK and Forsaken is that it had a much bigger and grander build up to it. Forsaken itself was a part of the buildup to Witch queen too.
It’s not just the campaign that matters
Witch queen endgame and pretty much everything else is for casual players, that’s what the game is heading to. Personally I don’t think bungie is right about that because it destroys the concept the of a looter shooter itself.
@@Skm00n I think the endgame is nearly perfect rn. Thé raid is absolutely amazing and tied for my favorite raid with wrath of the machine. The endgame offers stuff in the sense of titles and optimal build setups. It can be boring to most, but some want to fine tune and craft their build to perfection. Destiny can always be better, but at this current moment, it’s the best it’s ever been.
@@Skm00n the majority of the player base is becoming casual, or is causal, and we have to recognize that. As long as the game offers challenging and REWARDING endgame content (grandmasters, trials, raids, master raids, titles, etc.) I think it’ll be alright
@@invvsanity105 that’s basically what hardcore players bank on, Endgame stuff like you said!
We all know Curse of Osiris was clearly the best era in all of gaming.
DCV was made because they wanted to delete Curse of Osiris. Because they knew, that they couldn't top that
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Clearly!
Would you like to run forward to dunk a ball to beat a boss?? Guess what look no further than that random thing osiris had you do!!
Two whole chests from a public event omg!!!!!!
The reason I think I liked forsaken so much was because it’s story hit on a personal level. It wasn’t just the guardian who wanted revenge for Cayde, it was the player as well.
I still want revenge! we dont need the crow!
@@mezias00 I treat uldren and the crow as different people because they really are. Imagine if our guardian was a mass murderer in their mortal lives, but now they are the savior of humanity.
@@nickarredondo625 Truth is... you're allowed to make up absolutely anything about your past life.
That’s the reason forsaken was so hyped. The game was dying it was looking grim for the future of the game and bungie released the reveal for caydes death and that sparked the player base to return for vengeance
Bro no. Caydes death was a joke. Not only was it overplayed in all the trailers, but the villains were meh as always. Acting like cayde was a good character because he made jokes is just wrong
Ghost saying the intro? Almost as good as when Savathuun did. I'm impressed.
Side note, purely due to my bias of not having been playing for The Taken King or Forsaken (till near the end), The Witch Queen is the best for me. There are tons of reasons I love it, but I recognize the main reason I don't think the same if the others is bias.
The reason us D1 players hold TTK in such high regards is because of bias too.
Drew taken king and forsaken saved the game while witch queen expanded keep that in mind in your next dlc debate good luck
@@octqrrr I have no intention to debate the DLCs, everyone has their favorites, but thank you.
Awesome seeing the voice actors participating in the community
@@EvidentlyEezy it’s not bias, it’s a really good expansion
I don’t think the dlcs have gotten worse but our expectations have just grown so I think that we can still criticize the parts of destiny we would like bungie to improve but we should also tell bungie what we like in the game so they can do more of that.
In the end we should just go into the game with a more positive attitude.(because let’s be honest if you have a few thousand hours of playtime just like me the game can’t be that bad)
not just that we want more while bungie is actually capable of less because of their leaving of activision, and i don't think sony is going to be giving them the resources on that scale either better then now yes but not as much
Currently 60 dollar destiny DLCs are the smallest they have ever been
I still remember the first mission in TTK, I was genuinely afraid for the cabal. Oryx was wildin
same dude, TTK hit different, that dark scary movie like story hit perfectly.
Dark scary theme fits destiny way better than neon lights and 80s style.
@@Knights0fBlood exactly 🙏🏿
Overall, I believe that The Witch Queen is my favourite expansion.
It’s the first time that the campaign has felt that it was meaty in terms of difficulty with the Legendary version giving Savathûn’s boss fight the necessary weight. There’s also the fact that Vow is a fantastic raid with a self contained story that actually builds up a lot for future stories.
Forsaken was brilliant and did a lot for D2, like TTK did before it for D1, but had a better narrative that felt like an actual follow up to TTK, with the consequences of Mara Sov’s grand plan and the secrecy she placed on it playing out before our eyes. It also marks the first time by the end of the story that we lost, completely, having played right into Savathûn’s hands.
However, with that being said, TTK has something that no DLC has managed to capture since. Narrative funnelling. Because every single piece of content, the campaign, the post-campaign quests, the exotic quests, Court of Oryx, the raid, everything is funnelling down to one cohesive end. Killing Oryx. It is laser focused and I have to give it props for that.
Favorite campaign you mean. WQ isn’t even close to the best expansion all it had was a good campaign.
@@JDxxxxxxisn't that one of the main points of a dlc?
@@GravitonLance yes but it was the ONLY good thing about witch queen.
I dont know who said it, but Forsaken and TTK were great DLC's, because they revived the game from near death (especially Forsaken). However, WQ didnt revive the game because the game wasnt dead in the leadup. I would argue that WQ should not be considered in the same vein as other dlcs for that reason.
I'd argue that the game has been dead since shadowkeep and the Witch Queen revived it for about 5 minutes until everyone realized that there was nothing else to do. Then it died again.
@@universal-remote The game was dead in shadowkeep but after I would say no.
@@universal-remote 2 million daily players would say otherwise but keep listening to the voices of your head
I think you’re thinking of Bricky. He did a great video on WQ. He talked about how TTK and Forsaken brought the game back from the brink, but WQ took an already great position from the seasonal content and pushed it even further
@@universal-remote this game is usually top 10 on steam what do you mean
Thank you Evan. Finally someone with the same opinion as me. Despite all the hype of the release, two months later we came to the conclusion that the Witch Queen has, after all, a great lack of things that "worth" doing.
Suppose we’ll gloss over taken kings new sword weapon type and elemental specific exotics of them, gunsmith weapon day and weapons, class specific gunsmith exotics, strike specific loot, and eververse… but worth noting since those are things I attribute to taken king
The lack of a Scorn Baron in the thumbnail hurts my Scorn simp soul
I hate it, but I respect it.
i just like how scary oryx in kings fall looks
i just realized a way to make destiny 2 significantly better is just to let us play past missions like WQ does, then it feels a little more like halo with the replayability
Oh this is gonna be a good one, I can feel it
Is a bit hard to judge each expension since the state the game was in before them is quite different. I'd say that both Forsaken and Witch Queen are above TTK in terms of story telling, world building and integration of both into the gameplay, however The Taken King in terms of sheer content amount is way way above anything we will see and as an old player, I remember that content even if "less good" more fondly than anything D2 has introduced.
Personally havent played D2 in years, I follow the game because of its story but I played it for PVP and competitive and Bungie has criminally ignored and actively killed that side of the community and that is something that neither Forsaken nor Witch Queen have improved. Forsaken was the necessary upgrade D2 had to undergo to get out of the hole Bungie had left the franchise after failing to deliver an upgrade over the final form of D1 and the content it introduced was amazing and finally a reason to be optimistic about D2.
However I think it was this expansion what killed my interest for the game, the big change towards a more RPG formula that for me turned the game from a hobby into a chore and the removal of Trials of the 9 and overall neglect of the PVP side of the game just couldnt keep my friends around and I dropped soon after...
Witch Queen (even tho I havent played it I still follow the game closely) is what feels like the best Destiny 2 has ever been, the climax of years of improvement by bungie... but again, Bungie has kept ignoring pvp and is just sad that we have barely received any content (outside if stasis that was more damaging than anything else) thus I have no reason to come back.
Sorry if you disagree, but as a pvp player Destiny has never been better than during TTK to Rise of Iron.
Personally my favorite DLC was taken king but I really loved forsaken and wrath of the machine
As someone who has played since the beginning of D1, Forsaken is probably the best expansion. However, it's kinda unfair to judge alongside the others, since multiple studios besides Bungie helped with it.
I give that award to forsaken, there will be differences of opinion, but the thing that tips the scale for me was the TLC put into last wish over any other raid
As much as I love the Taken King and Forsaken, I think I love the Witch Queen more
Nice profile picture lmao
This is my favorite thumbnail of all time for all of your videos Evan! The mix and the colors, the contrast of light between dark and the story between the torn siblings is portrayed through this and it screams professional and experience player! Great job dude
Witch queen is fun but it didn’t do anything new it just added more. Also it was way more content light then I would have liked and bungies continued lack of pvp content is really hurting my ability to spend a lot of time in destiny.
As a pvpist, house of wolves for og trials, still best dlc for me. But im a weird destiny player.
Seeing D2 gameplay post beyond light makes me want to play D2. But then I come back and have so much stuff to do, things feel endless and I hate that battle pass so much.
Really not too many things you NEED to do, and if you have any friends that play they can point you towards things you should do. One of my friends recently started playing and he’s just going at his own pace
Plus the battle pass is completely passive to level outside of some optional challenges to speed it up
I think it's nice that things are finally building up in the story. Has to end at some point right?
Can’t wait to fight Calus honestly.
Despite the draught of content from December to the April update, TTK still was the best DLC. While it did focus on the story/Dreadnaught and the loot, it gave meaningful updates t almost everything in the game. The Witch Queen's and Forsaken's story may be better, but outside of creating/updating Gambit, there have been no updates to the base game other than the story/lore.
Strikes
forsakens exotic mission like bruh
@@gumball6445 Like TTK didn't also have those as well as new PvP maps and a Post Campaign story line.
Forsaken introduced dungeons, gambit, 9 supers, lore books, in depth weekly activities with ascendant challenges and continuing dreaming city narrative, the best location they’ve ever made imo, and more. Forsaken did everything that Taken King but better imo, on top of the new content that Forsaken brought in.
@@StaySqueezy12 just supers tho tk added a whole new subclass forsaken just added a branch lore books were already in the game in rise of iron and tk expanded on destiny adding new systems better balance forsaken didnt really add much new i could call crota a dungeon and bungie had been adding weekly things even in taken king
That's the most important part
Honestly, witch queen is very well crafted and was awesome during the first week. That being said, nothing had as much sustained love and attention as forsaken, I put in so much time and was never bored. At the current state of destiny I have never been more burnt out.
forsaken hands down is the best because each seasonal content is feels unique with own separate play area, instead of reusing the same public area and boring mechanics over and over again, (motes, dunking) and ship it as new package, its feels old and cheap to be called as 'seasonal content'.
You can see it ever since bungie split from Activision, they have to pump out new season with currently whatever asset they have without putting too much strain on the resources, the result? recycled content/map area and mechanics.
Every weeks you are told to the repeated quest, mechanics of seasonal activities in drip feeding fashion with NPC dialogue as the engine to move the 'season progression'. ("you done for this week, come back next week for the story progression", or the most blantant was in Season of the Lost, in order to stretch 6 months, they put the narrative, "oh, we need to wait for correct time to exorcise the worm" BS
Left the lore and NPC dialogue do the heavy weight lifting because from development standpoint that is by far the cheapest to make.
I feel like the Witch Queen is way better, but it came out at a really bad time (3 days before Elden Ring). That’s really killed my hype for it because I’ve just been way more excited for Elden Ring.
1• taken king
2• forsaken
3• witch queen
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All of them are a great dlc and changed the game someway or another .
An expansion with the endgame of forsaken, campaign of witch queen, and open worlds secrets from taken king would be golden
Not sure if it's just me but I really liked the fact that Bungue decided to switch Peter Dinklage to Nolan North as the VA for our Ghost; it just clicks so much more for me.
Best DLC was the friends we made along the way.
For me Taken King is the best. Without it Forsaken probably wouldnt be what it was
I was much more casual when I played the taken king, and went much more slowly with it than i did with witch queen. I plowed through witch queen as fast as I could and burned myself out in the first two weeks.
At this point I definitely think the times I had during forsaken were the best in destiny 2. Grinding leviathan when it was still in the game and getting no time to explain dropped off scourge in the same expansion just felt awesome. Wish they would bring back raid sparrows
Well, I would like go to "raid" where instead of "killing and defeating opponents" objective , we have to guard or protect something. The Raid (for example, in the future expansion) where we start under the traveler, we climb up defending and repelling enemy attacks, encounter after encounter where we defend the city and traveler just to be abandoned by the traveler after last boss fight. Something like that would blow my brain ^.^
That advert was so dumb and amazing at the same time. Lmfao great work
This was by far the best skit for an ad that you’ve had.
I think taken king was a better dlc because it had content that lasted for months to come and witch queen does not have this amount of content because of the seasonal content model we have now in destiny 2.
Difficult question indeed. I agree with Forsaken being better than Taken King. And also being the best overall due to what it brought to the table, especially the Dreaming City.
Still, I would give Witch Queen my preference (barely a few points) just because it is the campaign I enjoyed the most, by far!
I really hope they re run some of the old seasons with little bits of twists so I can experience what I missed out on
While I think witch queen is the best of these dlcs, I still think taken king is my favorite. I think it’s because despite the throne world belonging to Savathun hive god of cunning, lies, and secrets, her throneworld at least to me is lacking in those aspects. In comparison I feel like the dreadnought had those in spades. I remember spending hours on hours looking for every secret. Also while votd is a phenomenal raid I will always remember killing oryx for the first time. Watching his body drift towards Saturn was so satisfying
Rhulk > Oryx
The dreadnought is so damn cool and extremely atmospheric
@@lazyvoid7107 nah man oryx would beat up rhulk
Honestly, idk I know now in the grand scheme oryx is just a small part of the darkness. But in 2015 playing through that campaign, exploring the dreadnaught, with the gritty/serious/d1 color scheme, is unmatched to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the other dlcs (forsaken and witch queen) but ttk did so much for the game, so many new strikes, crucible additions, the raid, swords, sidearms. It’s just the best relative to it’s time. Ttk in 2015 did more than what forsaken did in 2018 and witch queen this year.
The Taken King is the best by far. It launched Destiny into it's golden age, revived the game, and made it more popular than ever before. It introduced 3 brand new subclasses, added some of the most iconic weapons of all time, gave us a great campaign, and gave us the definitive best Destiny villain with Oryx, along with the raid that all other raids are measured against.
There is no argument to be made other than The Witch Queen having a better campaign. That's the only thing it has going for it against The Taken King.
Nothing but fax
while mostly right sound a bit biased
i haven't even finished watching the video yet and i'm already hitting that like button just because if cb's smile
Dude I can’t even escape my due next week Rhetorical Analysis 😭 that pathos, logos, and ethos segment caught me off-guard.
Imo what needs to happen in the next expansion, at least 6 new crucible maps (not ports from d1, new), 5 new strikes, bring back strike specific loot, make strike loot better, build the foundations of the game
Touch of malice to this day is still one of my favorite guns
I haven't played during TK, but I have played through the other two. To me it's Forsaken, as it came out like a nuke drop, it ALTERED the game, had huge amounts of content, exotics and missions I hunted through the entire year, insane exotics and new supers. But it was made at a different time, WQ was created with a smaller team, that didn't need to salvage the game but bring it to the new age, and I think WQ will have a better overall year. WQ is an expansion that is part of the whole package IMO, and the seasons will be 100x superior to Forsaken's.
The taken king also altered the game, it revamped light leveling system, leveling system, added 3 subclasses, revamped infusion, revamped quests, added 30+ exotics, a new zone that literally never got boring, a revamp to campaign, revamp to lore and all that back in the day being made by a singular team, being compared to expansions that delivered less that had 2-3 teams working on it
It’s fitting that the two Hive sisters’ DLC’s are the ones that are wildly viewed as two of the best lol.
The Witch Queen can't really be compared to the big game changing ones tbf
The post campaign in witch queen is pretty lacking in my opinion and raidweapons should not be craftable for me. And the adept raid weapons shpuld drop with the upgraded perks as a default.
And the strike playlist needs a rework.
Those are the problems that came with witch queen imo.
Couldn't agree more. I love strikes but without strike specific loot, there's no point in doing any of them outside vanguard ops and nightfall
I'd like gambit maps as well, we've only had 3 since beyond light, they removed 2 maps with beyond light as well, sucks man 😕
the throne world patrol feels lacking and more empty than it should be. Like they had the opportunity to add so many secrets beyond deep sight chests and the inquisitors that could’ve been made towards more endgame or close to it like content. More world bosses with specific loot, named hive guardians and more of them in general. Lots of portals to shortcut locations with nothing really in them and the few puzzles they have may drop some general world loot at best a bunch of blues or just throne world rank at worst .
Definitely more exotics not counting seasonal weapons and counting the exotic glaives as one we had a total of four new exotics that includes the raid weapon. Then two amour pieces per class.
The playlists issues remain as you mentioned.
So true. I loved the story but had to leave during season 17 because it felt like there was nothing new to chase after. Plus the leviathan is boring and small imo
I played vanilla destiny so my opinion is 100% biased. The taken king brought me back into destiny and held me though the wrath of the machine. WotM will always be my favorite DLC because of the memories playing with so many friends and randos. Walking them through the raid and the crazy fun elaborate puzzle. Forsaken brought me back to D2 after first buying it but it didn’t have the same hold at TTK.
CB's smile knowing there's a hole in the box.
13:52 elden ring? Seems pretty relevant still from what I can tell, obviously it has good reason to be an outlier though, it actually launched as a full game lmao
Lightfall now that bungie is under Sony really has to deliver.
well.. i feel in love with forsaken, because thats when i played, i have never had that much enjoyment sense, and now its almost all gone.
I love what all three expansions did for the games. For me, I love this Marvel format, while also understanding it is a mixed bag. Personally, Witch Queen is my favorite, and it was a much more compelling story than Taken King or Forsaken. At the same time, I also recognize that I am more active in the game now than I ever was in the Forsaken or Taken King eras.
Destiny in its self has gone through a roller coaster of forms. First it seemed linear, light vs dark, then it expanded and felt like more than just light v dark, it felt like light vs dark vs the vex vs calus, but then it goes linear again. Light vs dark, but, we now have a beter understanding of how deep this light v Darkstar goes. After Wtch Queen we can see how deep the manipulations of Savathun Actrally were. And now with lightfall and final shape we will get to see what shape this battle of light v dark will take inthe end
It is really unfortunate that I cannot ~fully~ participate in this conversation as I wasn't around for The Taken King. There's a ton of discussion out there around this subject and I really like your approach/thought process...and I actually think I agree with you.
I was on the fence, leaning towards Which Queen just because of the strong story and the RE-playable (normal and legendary) campaign missions. Honestly, what kept me from casting a final vote was only two things:
1.) Cade's arrogant line: "How's your sister?". To me, the writer or writers who came up with that, should have gotten one huge bonus.
2.) Savathun is 1,000,000s of years old, outsmarted the traveller, and has been built up for as long as Destiny is around, yet we ~win~ her just like that...I know she's not dead, but it didn't feel right. Don't know what would have been a ~better~ ending, personally I just didn't like this one too much.
Thanks for all the great content.
Yeah I agree with 2. She‘s literally billions of years old, though to be fair she probably lost her darkness powers after her worm got exorcised. So she was probably roughly as powerful as us tbh.
@@requiemlul3140 I thought about that, but she didn't lose any of her deviousness (not sure that's even a word) so I thought then experience (billions of years) has to count for something. Maybe she's just been built up too much in my mind.
@@barendnaude4950
Deviousness can only bring you so far. In my mind, this thing with the Traveler was an all or nothing basically. She needed to help weaving and she couldn’t leave, so she had no other choice. Also the fact that we pretty much broke her by showing her she was tricked all along.
I do largely agree with you on a lot of it, however I dont feel like WItch Queen was given enough credit, and the only passiong mentions of the Raids throughout was a miss chance in my opinion as thet offer a lot of insight into design principles of their eras. Fosaken was still the best (in my opinion), and I am super excited to see what the remainder of this year brings to the franchise!
I still go on d1 and do things around the dreadnought and some weekly things still enjoy it thoroughly
TTK: Swords
Forsaken: Bows
WQ: Glaives
In my personal opinion, I feel like Taken King is by far the best expansion, not just because I’m biased because that’s when I started, but the raid, the big switch in the game, the iconic 3 new supers, the cinematic, and the continuing story from Crota’s death. And people may not agree that it’s the best, which is fine, buts it my opinion , but I think for people who played the expansion can agree that it was so the most memorable, and a great expansion overall.
My favorite is the one that is bideo gaem.
This has been my TED talk, thank you.
Love the sponsorship part lol
That was a god tier commercial 😂
“Eris get your rock off of my map”
All I’m gonna say
Loved the skit for the ad evan. Great job!
Can we take a moment to appreciate the thumbnail
I like to think that witch queen offered a great experience up front, and leaves older aspects of the game to pick up the slack in leftover places. GM nightfalls, soon to be raid rotations, etc etc.
VoD is a great raid, and is a good challenge for anyone who wants to try raiding. Anyone who can complete VoD can do the other raids.
But, let’s be honest, not much as happened since the Day 1 raid race. We’ve had some repeatable missions tell us some story, the weekly story ended fairly close to the release of witch queen (if you’d ask me, I’d actually delay the season’s start until the day 1 raid was over. Just a thought.)
However, this downtime has given me the opportunity to start getting back into PvP, playing side content, crafting weapons… so for slightly less casual players, we see this as a great opportunity to get some side grind done.
Also, guardian games started today! So that’s a neat way to keep the game fresh right before a new season begins. Unfortunately it’s only like a week or two, so don’t get your hopes up.
Witch queen is a good update. All three of these DLC’s talked about in the video are. But I can’t let witch queen be number one. Especially since crucible & gambit are especially dry.
What a good video bringing back so many memories!!
It's Forsaken. With Witch Queen as a very close second.
can we just talk about how dope that thumbnail is??
The two expansions relating to the two biggest hive gods is just amazing, their stories are just so well built with the things they’ve done clashing in so many ways more than one
Just one guardian's humble opinion: Best DLC Narratively > The Witch Queen. Best DLC for QoL Improvements: The Taken King (plus.. King's Fall was excellent) Forsaken did for D2 what TTK did for D1 as far as fixing major issues and while I loved Forsaken, TTK just edges it a little bit for me. Beyond Light was fun the first time but feels a little disjointed from the overall narrative but there's room for Bungie to plug it back in in the future. Like you said.. whichever one you loved the most is the best one and to add to that, it's ok to like them all for different reasons.
I don’t think you can compare either of them. They each had QoL changes that were just improved versions of what we had had before (ie infusion and gear score leveling system for taken king, primary/special/heavy ammo where special weapons can drop in the kinetic slot in Forsaken, and massively improved customizable subclasses in witch queen which was just a better version of D1’s system). I feel like if you took the taken king and stretched it across 4 seasons it probably wouldn’t be as impressive. They all arrived at a time when the game and the players needed them the most. I think it’s safe to say that these DLC’s are all the best.
I started play destiny when the beat came out and bought the game. Me being in middle school at the time, I couldn’t really buy any DLCs plus I lost interest. Fast forward into foresaken. I feel in love with the world and story. Foresaken is the reason why I even played the game. Witch queen on the other hand I just love the story telling and that made me really satisfied. Destiny have a hard time telling a story like they do in the books, witch queen did it perfect for me.
Thumbnail has me shakin'!
This may be nostalgia talking, but I 100% think The Taken King was the best content Destiny ever got. The key difference between TTK and the Destiny 2 DLCs, is that D2 is still receiving content; there were periods after Forsaken where the game felt nearly as "meh" as it did at launch. In contrast, The Taken King paved a path forward for Destiny 1 that was continuously well made; I never felt my enjoyment of the game fluctuate after TTK the way I have these past couple years in Destiny 2. From a contextual/historical standpoint, The Taken King honestly saved Destiny as a franchise. It re-invented the game, and is the primary reason I wish Destiny 1 would receive a PC port.
awesome vid! I agree 100%. Forsaken is the best. The dreaming city, last wish, shattered throne. It was amazing.
WQ has the best campaign tbh :)
You could have just posted the sponsor section by itself And I would have been happy just with that lol
I truly do appreciate the effort and work you did to make the ad different and interesting. Big props and keep it up!
That was one of the best ads I have ever seen on UA-cam
I don't know how one can even compare witch queen to the 2 masterpieces that were forsaken and taken king. It's lackluster in the shadow of the 2 greats.
It's so fucking wild how you actually get voice actors for some of these videos. Just puts the icing on the delicious cake that your videos are.
I will say all are the best, heck, I think they are perfected in their own way, but one thing rings true to them all, they change how we play, TK, extra subclasses, and new exotics.
Forsaken, New perks and supers as well as the new weapons system.
And witch queen, Void 3.0, weapon crafting, the glave, ect.
That's what I see in all of them, they change how we play.
But if you have to make me pick.......forsaken, for the story, and the new weapons system.
The Oxymoron? I think I got that as a Pulse Rifle in D1
I'm biased toward the Hive 🤷🏽♂️ so I'd have to say TTK, WQ then SK.
Hello fresh sponsors had me dying 💀💀💀💀💀
For me the problem is that the witch legendary experience is the most fun I have ever had playing destiny, and it just dwarfs the campaigns of the other 2.
I finally got the notification, cant wait to watch
I think Rise of Iron is as good as the others. We got a great story with Lord salad man, the plaguelands, archons forge, updated raids with great armor, amazing soundtrack, reworked artifacts, 3 new crucible maps and a new gamemode supremacy as well as private game modes was added, a new raid, a new strike and Rise of Iron Record Book that allows players to track their progress through the expansion's content. And we got all that for $30
Im sure I missed some other stuff too,
Rise of Iron made Destiny 1 go out with a bang
I’m excited to see the progression of destiny through the next couple seasons of Witch Queen. I hope in Light Fall we get a different leveling system. I trust bungie will make the right calls. They are very connected to the community and seem to have a passion for the game ☺️
I definitely appreciate the breakdown here.
Imo, Taken King felt like a much heftier expansion on the universe than Forsaken, even though by the numbers Forsaken was likely more content than Taken King. The reason for this though is the narrative stakes that those expansions toy with. In Forsaken we're dragged along every week to learn that the stakes are higher than we realize, but we're never met with the impact of those stakes until after the DLC is finished. Who can honestly say that they understood Uldren's motives and goals during Forsaken *before* the Raid dropped and *before* all the recent Savathun lore which explains so much more of Forsaken. There's a lot of Forsaken's story that only gains teeth and meaning after the fact.
Comparatively...
Taken King's stakes are immediately evident as the entire premise is "Oryx of coming to avenge his son...who you specifically murdered". The weight of the consequences of your actions is instantly made known and that weight follows you all throughout the story and supplimental activities (barring Crucible) because the things that happen are because of you! This fundamental difference in the context of the narrative is why I'll always lean towards Taken King as best DLC. It did the narrative portion right and established so many new ideas that, even this video points out, are being used in modern Destiny constantly.
That all being said, I'll never knock Forsaken and Witch Queen too hard, they also introduced so much cool and new stuff and have really good stories in their own right.
I love the sponsor segments of these videos.
Of nothing else I think we can all agree King's Fall has got to be one of the most epic raids ever.
Tbh, I think that I would love Alchemist's Rainment to come back into D2, hell maybe even buff it to where it has a chance to drop 1 legendary shard or Enchantment Cores with each kill.
i totally forgot the taken king vault space was only 72. thats wild. some people are out here with 72 rolls of one gun now a days