Everything Lightfall did WRONG to the Destiny Community - Destiny 2
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These points were from various responses via community threads and just issues throughout the year that so many have pointed out. This is Everything Lightfall did Wrong to the Destiny Community - Destiny 2
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Intro: 00:00
Story: 01:40
Monetization: 06:30
Loot Incentive: 09:20
Core Activities: 12:11
Root of Nightmares: 16:16
The Real issue of Time: 18:18
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Video/ Music Credits: - Ігри
This video was from a combination of responses on Twitter and on the community tab here on UA-cam! I expanded and added a bit more to points I have seen throughout the year, but one last taste of me yapping about destiny coming right up before I talk really kind about it in the follow up video!
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do a video on what lightfall did well for comparison
11:00 No Evan, no sunsetting. Crafting wasn't implemented right. Most games with crafting use crafting as a means to an end. Craft a good weapon or armor piece to be able to tackle endgame content. I think all overland weapon and armor should be craftable, but raid and dungeon gear shouldn't be. That will solve a lot of issues with crafting at the moment. Crafting should be a stepping stone, not the stone. When metas change, some crafting gear can be good, but Ultimately only raid, dungeon, and Gm gear should be top tier.
Most people have positive things to say about those seasons except plunder for obvious reasons. One of my biggest enjoyment out of seasons is the storytelling they can provide along with the innovation such as a mini destination, a pirate invasion activity plunder's activity may not be the funnest, but it provided a unique idea that was genuinely good. Crafting was good at first because leveling didn't take very long like it does now you don't have the materials anyways it took forever to get a red border from the seasonal activities. I'm still missing a bunch of patterns and I farmed day and night all summer during haunted but I'm okay with that because I also got some god rolls that aren't crafted along the way. And building into build crafting more than just weapons has been something that I have seen to be more of a positive thing. Considering players enjoying that more than the previous system. I don't see anyone complaining about using devour on Titan and Hunter because it's a good change whether you complain about sub class uniqueness or not. I love your content man. But I seriously wish you wouldn't act like the wq seasons were not received well by the community because they were and still are talked about today. And I want to make it clear that I love this video. You hit the mark pretty much pretty well in a lot of areas, but there were a few areas where I can't say most people agree were actually bad stuff. I'm definitely not complaining though because you definitely hit the mark with the main point which is that business bungie Is that number one cause of strife this year.
I think they should make old content free to players as well. I agree with holoprojector as I just skip the dialogue as it gets boring every time. With the strikes , they give you the same loot every time
The worst thing it did was charge me more than Forsaken when having less content then Rise of Iron
I have yet to find a destiny video without your comment.
Honestly outside of strand, I couldn't agree more.
It was the same price but ok
@@lordgrub12345i swear strand breathes so much life into the game because I love movement, but dang lightfall itself did have less :(
Strand and a few other features were nice. Neomuna and the campaign were a huge miss. Overall paid content offering felt weak, especially in light of the boosted price. Almost the cost of a full retail game, not an expansion. Bonkers, they duped me I guess.
I'll never forget how good d1 strikes were, idk why BUNGIE hates strike specific loot
Because they can't make you pay for it.
@@SymbioteMulletthis made me laugh ngl
@annon_7222 wasn't a joke, that's literally it.
Not only the quality of strikes is better, but the quantity as well! D1 has way more strikes!
Quality is cope. 90% of D1 strikes are just walk for 5 mins, pull out ghost wait 5 mins then kill a bullet sponge boss. D2 strikes aren't insane but D1 strikes aren't better. You're just blinded by nostalgia@@kwiebus2267
Strand being forced into every story beat was super disorienting, I wanted to see more of Neomuna and the witness. Not being told we aren’t ready with strand but strand won’t matter in Final Shapes story.
Why strand wasn't made a side mission like the nightstalker sunbreaker and stormcaller like in the taken king confuses tf out of me.
I didn't even use Strand to beat the final boss either. The game doesn't force you to, so why did we "NEED" this power?
"Lightfall" Our light falls/goes away... except it didn't. We quite literally did not need strand in this expansion. It was just added out of nowhere
Giving us a focused campaign and a side mission for a super is an overdelivery lel@@AxisChurchDevotee
Also the Cloudstiders! Bungie made them a big deal before lightfall launched, saying how they're elite warriors that rival guardians and allow Neomuna to defend itself. Yet there were only two in the story and one of them died...
@@jonahbrown5669all I did was Cuirass of the Falling Star T crash Calus and he dropped like a dead fly
Here’s my take on veil containment:
I think they were trying to cut out the middle man of the lore by not making you wait until the end of a mission like you normally do, which gets tedious by the twelfth run. So they said “hey lets just make it like you skip to the end”
Only they failed to realize they should just be delivering the lore while we casually shoot something low difficulty maybe. Which is better than both.
As bad as veil containment's lore delivery is, it's not Destiny 1 grimoire card having to use a website to read lore bad.
Fact: Beside the new subclasses, Curse of Osiris delivered more content than Lightfall.
Imagine if we still had the curse of osiris dlc but they added a hard mode campaign Other ideas I thought of include
1. For the patrol area they could have added side quests on the infinite forest on how it works and then when you complete enough missions you unlock a damage test area/ simulation area think a small mercury map to play with friends a small pvp map
2. Loot
the final boss panoptes drops armor based on him and has a chance to drop an exotic solar grenade launcher that functions similar to anarchy it holds your enemy in place think that vex containment/barrier that you have to break but scorchs you then does an aoe explosion if enough stacks build up around the target.
- Craftable loot can be the original guns from the curse of osiris dlc that you have to unlock
-Other guns can be the guns from the sundial activity that are not craftable but have unique perk combinations that the craftable guns don't have.
Patrol area can have those vex public events from the moon that came from season of undying and add the few guns machine gun and auto rifle as rotational weapons that weren't brought back.
3. If you do certain mercury challenges it unlocks osiris costume as an ornament set.
Thats how I would bring curse of osiris from the dcv as a free and improved dlc for players
“Besides the content, Curse of Osiris delivered more content than Lightfall.”
Lmao
@@ImpatientPlatypus Curse of Osiris delivered more exotics than the entire year of lightfall.
almost 10 years,i was 14 when this d1 dropped,i was fascinated and captured by this game which was my first rpg/mmo game on my xbox 360 back then...10 years of dedication and pain and sweat through the good and bad times but now i just can't condone or look away of the issues and problematic practices of the higher ups and it has killed my drive for destiny.
destiny was my second home with me coming from a abusive household,it was my escape,my freedom of imagination back then and seeing what it is now and what has happened it's just sad that the magic is gone for me atleast.
to all destiny players who do play,go out and have fun,do what you like but be kind to another and help out a new or fellow guardian,but you are not forced to play,enjoy what you like and do not blame the people who wanted change,blame the ones who do not listen and are stubborn and refuse to change and care.
maybe we'll see each other again guardian,and thanks for listening
im in the same bot you were/are. As i assume most players from D1 are. Our age group is just finishing up college and going into the work force. All i have time for is work, gym, and maybe some crucible if im up for it. Still love crucible, but the magic i felt in D1 is gone and that makes me feel nothing but sadness when i think of the game. Love destiny, just hoping for something to grab me like it did when i was a teenager
Without question, it's biggest crime was dialogue. Bad dialogue can honesty and surprisingly nuke almost any entertainment media...
The obvious is Nimbus, but when I rewrote this story I immediately noticed they were not the sole issue.
Osiris for example, was actually the worst offender. In Seraph, when he came back, the writers brilliantly made a bold move that not all writers can pull off. They made Osiris a likeable asshole. You see, in Seraph, Osiris immediately made it known to us that he is NOT Savathûn when we immediately realized how arrogant he REALLY is lol. But the beautiful thing about that though, was that he was arrogant but also had a heart. You could tell especially when compared to Clovis. What was amazing about Seraph was the dichotomy between Clovis and Osiris. Both are arrogant and both have sky high egos, but one was cold inside and the other had a heart. That's what made Osiris work so well in that Season.
Now Lightfall... yikes. The writers this time chose to make Osiris not only arrogant like he already was, but they also decided to make him grumpy and jaded. Huge mistake. There is a time and place for jaded character types, but Osiris was NOT the time NOR the place.
You can tell they were inexperienced because they made Osiris the grumpy old asshole, and they turned Nimbus into the tone deaf lucky go happy zoomer kid who runs all over the old man's lawn just to laugh at him getting angry.
This murdered the story in its tracks.
It is fine to have jaded characters, and it is also fine to have comedy relief annoying side characters. But these two writing styles are VERY tricky to pull off, and it needs to be done very carefully and respectfully.
Jessica Jones for example is the best jaded character I've ever seen, and she serves that story amazingly. At the same time, the dog from Puss in Boots 2 is the BEST annoying sidekick archetype I've ever seen as well. He was executed perfectly.
Nimbus and Osiris were not.
It was an unfortunate mistake, that unfortunately wrecked a huge portion of this expansion.
This isn't even exhaustive either. Rohan was easily the most play it safe character I have ever seen in a work of fiction, and Zavala and Ikoras words at the end were abysmal to say the least.
On a positive note though, Calus, Caiatl, and the Witness were executed well imo. They could have been done much better sure, but they were done decently well. It was definitely Nimbus, Osiris, and Rohan who were the most fumbled in the writing of the story, and it's unfortuate to see so close to the end.
So casuals (like me) and people who analyze everything both hate it. That's not good. This is like seeing an 8% rotten tomatoes critic score and a 12% audience score.
Destiny dialogue and even lore dialogue has been so ass for me for a long while . I’m reading and learning about baldurs gate and going back to destiny after 9 months to bad dialogue is so bad 🙃
@@Kyubii01Sometimes it’s so badly written it’s an insult to the player just talking to their NPC’s, “I tell everyone, ‘you’re my favorite guardian’!”-Shaxx So you tell every person that, “You’re my favorite guardian.” That’s not a compliment, it’s a backhanded compliment and you get the sense the writers are insulting the player’s intelligence by baffling them with BS.
Edit: if you want me to elaborate then in true Bungie fashion I’d insultingly say, “I don’t even have time to explain why I don’t have time to explain.” Can’t dazzle them with brilliant writing, then baffle them with BS.
Lightfall was def supposed to be the prelude to the final shape, giving up two new locations (similar to what forsaken did), where a lot of the lore we get in these seasons were either A. Made in haste due to the decision to make Lightfall its own expansion, or B. were supposed to be brisk and simplified events.
Don't get me wrong, some of the stories of the last three season passes have its highs but it's because they stretched the story over weeks by time gating us.
You lost me at sunsetting my guy, they took half the game with that shit last time
The only thing sunsetting achieved was making people mad. We are way power crept beyond what we were capable of before beyond light.
Agree with you on the Holoprojector. Having to go to it every time for so little story dialogue is something I wish they'd get rid of or tone down on.
You'd have thought they'd have figured away (in the game lore) to miniaturize the holoprojector so the guardian just has it on them lol. Would cut out the pointless running back and forth etc
I can just never get on board with grinding rng for a weapon being enjoyable. Weapon crafting any day. Like I have literal years to get a god roll of a weapon and that was not a fun and happy moment.
Content creators always seem to say it's good because grinding for a god roll gives them content. When the god roll weapon finally drops, it's obviously hype for the stream and usually ends up in someone gifting like 100 subs. It's just artificial content is all it is. Ever since crafting came along I've done every new raid at least 30 times each. Before that I never felt motivated to raid coz of the trash rng. Now you can guarantee yourself 2 red borders a week and it's great. Plus exotic droprate triumphs give me even more motivation to raid knowing it won't be unreasonable rng. The issue imo is purely enhanced perks. If they didn't exist, people wouldn't feel as compelled to ignore raid rng loot.
hard disagree on crafting ruining loot incentive. Maybe it does for YTers who play 30 hours a week, but for the rest of us its doing major lifting in keeping the game engaging and making the grind manageable while reducing FOMO.
i don't really get how it reduces fomo. The main way of earning seasonal weapons still disappears at the end of the year, so good luck getting the crafting pattern for some of the older weapons like Austringer or Calus mini-tool nowadays. Getting all the crafting patterns each season is basically one of the main sources of FOMO for me.
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Bad and ignorant take. It does reduce Fomo. The chances of you having a God roll by getting 5 patterns will be quicker than focus weapon engram decrypting for an entire season.
It helps with vault space too, so you can have a peace of mind knowing you can get the weapon back anytime instead of being forced to horde it not knowing if it'll be buffed and be meta or not...so there's another Fomo reduction.
yeah I still don't have any crafted raid weapons (cause I never raid)...also sunsetting for weapons you grind countless hours for? fuck that
@@Bestow3000 Yes sure, it reduces the randomness, but i still can't see how it reduces the Fomo. Having a crafted weapon basically means that you have every possible version of that weapon, which means that you're missing out on something pretty huge if you don't have it, right?
The main problem is that it's borderline impossible to get weapons' patterns after their respective focusing vendor or activity has been vaulted. This is the reason why i still don't have have a crafted Beloved, i still need 3 more patterns and how the fuck am i gonna get those nowadays? This problem could *mostly* be fixed if Bungie just allowed us to earn an infinite amount of deepsight harmonizers through gameplay, but the won't do that... because it's bungie.
"you can have a peace of mind knowing you can get the weapon back anytime instead of being forced to horde it not knowing if it'll be buffed and be meta or not"
Sure i guess that's kinda true, but it also enforces the mentality of "get the patterns now, or you'll really regret it later" which I would definitely count as Fomo. *Having* a crafted weapon significanly reduces Fomo, but *getting* a crafted weapon is a major source of Fomo.
(To clarify: i'm mostly focusing on seasonal weapons here. I don't really have problem with crafted raid or neomuna weapons)
im not a youtuber who plays for 30hours a week and it honestly has ruined the game for me.
Crafting, as well as weapon focusing, is what SAVED loot, not killed the loot interest. it made the game RESPECT your time. pure RNG aspect is not player friendly. at all. it won't ever be, and it should not be a thing. there should always be a non RNG way to get a weapon. and the game would honestly be better if more weapons were added to the crafting system. we still need different archetype and subclass element to different gun to be added to it.
i chased a stupid lingering dread roll for the WHOLE week it was available last time , as Duality was the featured dungeon. it sucked. it was harrowing. it was painful and not enjoyable in the slightest. because the whole week, literally brought nothing. it was, in all way that you can look at it, a waste of time. nothing was gained. no matter the roll, it wasn't the one i wanted, and in the end, i gained nothing.
i farm one week, and i still don't get a stupid legendary weapon roll? yeah no. RNG sucks. it's a shit replacement for correct progression. crafting is what saved my interest in grinding weapon, and i really don't think people should be excited over trying to get it reduced, or gone. it made Destiny better. period.
same for sunsetting. i grinded for my stuff, you sure as hell not going to artificially make it not good cause "yeah, we don't want you using it." .
RNG and sunsetting are/were the biggest problem with D2
Ngl man, I think the solutions you offer would reduce the morale even more.
Destiny's biggest issue in my opinion is the addictive fomo model they push. Sunsetting again would heavily increase that.
You have to remember this is your job. It's not your 99.5% of the community.
agreed. half his suggestions are NOT good. didn't we just come off of crying about sunsetting? The other half were reasonable but have been said so many times now. Some of the crying about weapon crafting is warranted, but also feels hypocritical. Idk not crazy about this video.
My favorite thing to do while questing is to talk to a character then go straight to the holoprojector to talk to the same character. Top notch.
No sunsetting for me. I like my guns and I want to keep using them.
the worst thing lightfall did was exist
One theory I thought of with weapon crafting is not unlocking perks through use, but through finding the weapon with the perks and breaking the weapon down. Doing the harder activities would drop weapons with the enhanced perks. This would allow crafting without disregarding the chase for rolls, at least until you unlocked the perks you want.
They could also make everything like the newer Adept Raid weapons, where you need to get the roll you want, then use materials to upgrade the perks.
Yeah I mean, there was more than one way to do this. I agree the enhanced perks has a lot to do with the crafting problem - you not only can pick what you want, but their just inherently better. I still think enhanced perks was the weirdest decision concerning crafting.
Gotta love all the content creators suddenly saying to bring back sunsetting. As if nobody remembers how that nearly killed the game the first time.
Eh most of those content creators are idiots who only care about themselves if I'm being honest. Aztecross lost a massive amount of my respect after he bought the Witcher set despite acknowledging how awful the monetization is, they feed into these bad habits which leads to the game getting worse
sunsetting content did. And beyondslights year had higer player counts then we have this year so
This was the first time I decided that enough was enough, and haven’t bought seasons until seeing actual gameplay from them that can tell me if I’d actually enjoy it.
I’d happily chase a godroll if the activities would actually give more than 1 random loot drop and a pile of glimmer. There’s plenty of weapons that I want to get specific rolls of but don’t farm for them because I don’t have the time to run an activity for a singular chance at a chance to get what I want
I don't see anybody talking about nimbus, so I will. It's a shame for how much Bungie backed this character initially. But the conversation has since been marred with identity politics and outside that discussion is a character that just didn't connect with the fan base in the slightest. Dialog so bad it wouldn't belong in a marvel movie. So it was hard to really care about the character.
Also doesn't help that everything within light fall is segregated to the DLC. Meaning that things like bringing a donning cookie to these new lightfall characters, just doesn't happen. It just, doesn't work. It's a lose-lose, especially when you consider all the established characters who didn't get screen time in trade for this.
Lightfall was so rough, my dad was laid off because of the screw up, makes it sting even more, but I’m still holding out hope for Final Shape!
Your dad works for Bungie?
not anymore
@@Adoring-Fan
@@MrUpsidedownfaces lmao
luckily a lot of companies are looking to hire those fired by bungie, if he reaches out im sure he can get a lot of offers
@@GhostMan407 oh yeah thankfully we’re all in the clear now, it just sucks
The problem with the sunsetting concept is that gun feel is such a huge factor. Especially for pvp.
An individual gun can function identically as another, but they can feel entirely different.
That's really the main reason it wouldn't have worked in the past, too. That's what makes it so different from when other MMOs would do similar things.
edit: Also. I don't think making red borders rarer or less items craftable is the solution. But the best case scenario basically requires reworking the whole system. like, honestly, a better crafting system from scratch would be to make it so that you can't craft new guns from scratch, but can take one perk off of an existing copy of a gun and put it on another. That way its just a matter of getting the perks you want to drop and it functions way better as bad luck protection. Heck, the adept weapon style perk enhancement would be perfect for this system too, especially since then you could get enhanced perks on every single gun regardless of whether or not it was crafted prior. And this would make it easy and reasonable to put on EVERY weapon in the entire game, because then it'd be the 'bad luck protection' option for your godrolls to make the 3/5 or 4/5 rolls capable of being turned into a 5/5, and making the perfect godroll drops and the godroll chase still remain like it used to.
Yeah the sunset choice wasn't awful because it not only took away weapons and ruined the overall gameplay of the game but it pushed this identity crisisbeat bungie was now having with destiny. To this day I feel like bungie doesn't known what it wants to do with destiny and allowed too many cooks in the kitchen with its development.
Sunset could have worked if it was as they described it - old weapons lose power and refarm to re-get. So you go back to last wish each year to keep the activity fresh.
But instead they locked sunset to entire weapons and content, so you couldn't get most weapons anymore and activities and vendors kept dropping dead gear.
@@KakamileRS While i still personally would've disliked it, you're absolutely right that a system like that could've worked.
The most annoying thing about the destiny community is how it has been so copious and denying of things over all the years. Things like the crafting loot-incentive or GDC were already discussed in early 2022, but back then most people got angry the moment you mentioned it and called you a liar or a hater.
They still do that.
The thing about this community, you either have the "OMG BUNGIE IS SOOOOOOOOOO TRASH", or "OMG, YOU'RE SO WRONG, BUNGIE NEVER DOES ANYTHING WRONG", rarely do you get someone in the community that goes, "You're both wrong, they're not the worst, but they're not perfect, they're just in the middle", which is the best description of Bungie, yeah, they make mistakes, but they aren't the worst company out there
@@varisrevolver4061 people say blizzard is the worst but bungie took much more from us than blizzard ever took from overwatch players
@@ag99900 I'm not saying Bungie is perfect, but we do overreact, I saw one comment earlier, complaining about into the light, because it's free, and Bungie barely puts anything into paid stuff, so imagine how much they'd put into free
What really didn't set well with me is that for the most part of the year, they had to play catchup/damage control on the story. There were quite a few cutscenes in season of the deep that had quite a lot of people(Byf has a video on this as well), myself included, ask "Why wasn't this part of the DLC? *Where was this?*"
Shaders being monetized to recoup that 45% loss was the nail in the coffin for me 😅
I would like to add another problem.
A minor one, granted, but a problem in the end.
Killing characters, in the most stupid way, trying to create an impact on the story, but instead, used in a lazy way.
I am talking about killing Amanda in the most idiotic way possible.
So...what is the impact of killing her?
No one else can change the oil of our ships or give it some maintanence?
If we compare her death to Cayde's, well...
Not to mention that they constantly brought up the idea of her possibly becoming a guardian which would've made her death even more pointless.
Death in Destiny 2 is pointless now if they decide to just bring back dead characters. It's like if they killed off Chelsea in Akame Ga Kill, then she was somehow revived a few episodes later. Not only would it disrupt the world, it'd also ruin the impact of characters dying (which is what made the manga great, anyone could die at any given point).
The only thing Root of Nightmares did was show us how Nezarec is the Witnesses least medicated Disciple.
Runs after you and whacking you with a scythe
Aren't the nightfall ciphers fine though since you still have to grind nightfalls to get said ciphers?
New player of a month here (got into it because a circle of friends went back to it and I wanted to play games with them). The lore is an utter mess and knowing some of the best stuff is just, gone and I have to watch it on UA-cam is just sad. The crafting, I honestly like. Being 32 I don't want to devote nights grinding a single raid/dungeon to get a god roll on one weapon, it reminds me of mount hunting in WoW and just...no thanks. The game shocking feels hollow outside of raiding/dungeons and older quest lines (Europa). PVP is an unbalanced mess, but I oddly love the chaos of it and it doesn't take long to get weekly/bounty stuff done.
Anti crafting people are so wild to me.
"I'd rather spend hundreds of hours on an activity I stopped enjoying long ago."
Okay.
Idk Evan. Controversial topic here. I’ve been a destiny player since launch also and I gotta say I love the crafting and red borders. I take breaks from the game and having a sure fire way to get a dedicated great gun for endgame is huge. I also have PLENTY of things to chase. It may just be the people who already have EVERYTHING that have an issue with loot. At that point is it on bungie to provide even more? Or is it time to step away / change expectations for the ones who have every conceivable god roll? I see a lot of negative feedback around this topic but is the majority of the player base really upset with the amount of god rolls / red borders? I play pretty frequently and the amount of stuff to chase is kind of staggering sometimes.
Loot incentive chapter was a oof. I feel like I still grind so hard for drops. Other than that, solid vid.
Strand is literally the only saving grace of the expansion. I hated what they did with armor mods other than removing elemental restrictions.
Hey evan, do you know if there will be a merch restock? I'm guessing not but just wondering!
It might land me on the naughty list, but I really enjoyed Root of Nightmares on Day 1 (technically 2 since it took me 19 hours to finish (not counting an hour break), and have loved it for every time back in. I get the arguments that it was easier and thus frustrating to the people who regularly partake in that level of content. But man it felt nice to feel like I could actually participate for once in that kind of content, and am really sad to think that with the backlash, that door's going to be slammed in the face of folks like me so that the only way I'll be able to participate again is by watching someone else do it :/
You can still participate, but completing it would require you and your team to be good.
@yashugoyal1772 or they could just make the master mode the challenging one, you're literally telling the guy to just play the raid for nothing as he's not going to complete it.
@@TotalXPvideos No, I'm telling him that if he wants to complete the raid on contest mode, he and his team needs to be good.
I haven't cleared any day 1 till now cause I don't have a team, and I don't cry about it either, I just wait for contest to be over so I can play the raid with casuals on lfg.
I hated god roll chasing, it made me actively not replay activities because the chances of ever getting the roll I wanted was so incredibly low.
Chasing red borders on the other hand feels like there is an end to the tunnel because eventually I'm going to get the roll I want.
Though in saying that, I'm not a gambling addict so each to their own.
its really sad to see gambit go tbh. i hope they revamp it like an extraction mode since its “dangerous and risky and all about the money” and i wished it was like that i really loved the idea of both pve and pvp etc and also destructible structures in atleast some areas
Maybe I'm in the minority here but the intro cutscenes made me remember a big thing initially that I didn't like about lightfalls aesthetic, it's too bright. The Dark, night-like, vibes paired with the neon that we see in the trailers is what I would have liked Lightfall to be like visually. Instead, Neomuna just feels kind of boring to me. If this was supposed to be our Empire Strikes Back moment, I wish it would have been overall darker like ESB, plus it would have looked more Blade Runner-esque
About crafting: Crafting should be a safety net for bad luck, it shouldn't replace the chase. Nowadays I don't even CARE about the perks, I just wanna know if it's red or not to unlock the pattern. If there were no enhanced perks, you would get excited if you got your god roll, but if you grinded a lot and never got it, you'd eventually craft your own and it'd be fine. Instead we completely killed the chase for the god roll.
It feels like nothing we did in the year of seasonal content before Lightfall mattered at all.
Veil containment is just Osiris and Nimbus podcast.
The Lake of Shadows change just sucks. Who was asking for harder strikes? No one. Literally no one. I always loved having Arms Dealer or LoS as a GM it was like 'hey here is the easy week to farm so plan ahead' now its "I am doing 1 GM to guild conqueror and then I am done."
One of the worst things I found is having armour and weapon mods locked out till guardian rank 4 or 5, and my attempt to solo ghost of the deep basically was ruined because of boss health being massive and enemy density being way too high
The only thing I remember from that DLC was Calus and Strand. I even forgot the Exotic armor and that heavy machine gun till yesterday lmao. Nothing was really worth remembering which is extremely sad because I still remember stuff all the way back from the very beginning. Osiris’s DLC was also very forgettable.
The enemy team when your trying to do the malfeasance quest. (They ain’t letting that slide.) really cool.
Ask yourself.. Why do you think they made the strikes longer?
DO NOT EVER SUGGEST SUNSETTING AGAIN
The people advocating for reimplementing weapon sunsetting and not having crafting are absolutely delusional. It reminds me of the crucible players with SBMM vs CBMM and always seeming to be whining to get back whichever one they don't currently have.
Really love the outro song more than ever after all these years
3:16 - hearing "Radial mast" a million times by osiris in the campaign got me🤣
“You and rohan are our only hope”
Truly voice acting of all time
The last time I did trials of Osiris was for a godroll reeds regret once I got it never went back
So heres my thoughts. First, no Neomuna. The Witness' terraformed pyramid shouldve been the location. a few reasons for this; one, its alot prettier and more vissually stunning. two, it makes more sense thematically, us landing there to fight to get to the witness. three, it makes more sense with strand, its the flagship of the black fleet, us finding a new darkness subclass there makes sense, not to mention all the platforming and broken terrain lends itself to strand.
Second note, Calus shouldve been the raidboss, after narrowly missing the witness after they find the veil, Calus is the next immediate threat. it would be a culmination of his story.
5:30 - Having talked to someone who is friends with various people on the Natmrrative team (well... were on), they were made to cram it in and had NO IDEA what the Veil was until AFTER Lightfall released.
Containment was how their leadership made them put it in as the next two seasons were written already.
Wonder how negotiations went with Sony during the buyout stages. Perhaps another DLC was mandated, and Lightfall was created. I’ve always wondered how the acquisition affected Lightfall.
We still haven’t gotten all the weapons on the lightfall cover art (gl and sword)
Honestly when it comes to gambit they should make it into a prison of elders style mode, with one mode acting like OG prison, the second mode is base gambit and the third mode would be a combination, a race of what team can make it through first, with invasions in each room but not if the teams are in separate rooms to prevent snowballing and having high teir loot for the winners, or in higher difficulty of OG prison
yeah belisarius-d does not exactly pump me up but idk
The most fun Ive had this entire year was from the Craftening. And that was because of a crazy bug
The reducing of the grind was a great decision. Especially with red boarder weapons. You already spend too much time playing just to chase after weapons, I want more time to play other great games too and honestly right now things are actually okay for that area personally for me.
Nimbus is the biggest issue lmfao. They were trying to pander to we know which crowd smh.
nimbus is just a jock with a extrovert personality. So the jock crowd?
I will say, I actually liked RON, but that may be because I actively found a role I'm good at. The problem was many people (at least that I ran into) was that no one wanted to learn mechanics. So I got to a point where in the first encounter it was just "keep them off me, I'll run.
And the problem is what you said is the actual meta. Nobody wants to learn in root, and nobody HAS to learn.
solution to crafting problem:
Remove enhanced perks from base crafted weapons. Only adept weapons should posses perks that can be enhanced.
That way adept will actually feel like adept.
An ascendant players idea on making state of pvp possibly better:
1) implement a lock on trials and comp until a 50 game completion has been met.(gate keeping some cheaters/exploiters)
2) remove sbmm, instead only allow players who haven’t finished 50 games of crucible to play one another, after they should be put in connection based lobbies where everyone else is located. This would allow new players to get used to gameplay, some strategy, and having enough weapons before being thrown into the mix.
3)sbmm should only be allowed in trials, based on the fact that it is supposed to be or feel like end game pvp.
4)comp should be ladder based match making only, not dynamic. As in: you can only match your level or one above or one below. Allowing less lobby balanced feeling lobbies where one player has to try to hard carry players far out of their skill gap.
An adept 1 can only match plat 1 and adept 1-2, but an ascendant 1 can only match ascendant 1 and 2 since ascendant 1 has no higher rank. Connection should take priority but at the same time NEVER break the -1, current, and +1 rank based ladder matchmaking system.
4) connection based qp, connection based qp, connection based qp period
5) removal of ae
6) fix melee registeration and rubberbanding… may not be as bad with connection based though. Make it hit scan within certain range with a sizeable hit cone and voila.
Just thoughts from someone who started a .5 3 years ago and now clears a 1.7 with a 2.4+ kda. I’m not the best but I’m certainly decent, I learn from getting steam rolled. Failure is often one of the best ways to learn to do things better or correct the next time, a lesson that seems to be getting pushed aside lately.
I like how you literally described what bungie was trying to do with sunsetting
anyone like through that maybe the devs and team thought they were like doing a good job and it just didn’t land like?
When you make a story you think it’s great you think you make mystery etc but like it’s not interrogated well
Been watching your channel for years Evan, love your stuff man! 🎉
Well said..... definitely some of the biggest pain points for WRONG things that Bungie has done during the year of Lightfall. Keep up the amazing videos. Quality is always top notch!
What killed my enjoyment of strikes was the loss of strike unique items (weapons or armour) that made lasting impressions - even if they werent meta.
Why would i grind for generic hand cannon #431, when im just going to delete it?
Bring back unique items
I am still waiting on my techwitch shell from season of defiance that we ALL should have gotten from the wartable reset instead of amanda's ship. We earned it and never recieved it, "their fix was days later ) after everyone reset. With the rep being shared account wide there is no way to get it now
The worse part for me was having to deal with Osiris and his dialog.
Tell me about it, literally half way through the campaign I completely turned off dialogue and just used the subtitles. And you can’t forget about nimbus and is shitty dialogue too 🤢🤢🤢🤢
@@Ace_Gunner it was just bad. I couldnt stand his dialog either. The failure of an attempt to make a cayde like character was laughable.
I still stand by the fact Osiris should have died in lost. Having him constantly speak ruined his character and and the cool mystery that he used to have before CoO. It would have been a good send-off to his character if he died.
@@AxisChurchDevotee spot on! I agree with this. Instead they made him out to be a dude going through a midlife crisis.
@@AxisChurchDevotee Yeah but then he'd just return again in TFS. The concept of death is meaningless now in Destiny 2 if those dead characters are in the Traveler
It would be nice if bungie wasnt afraid to remove or completely repurpose 3.0 aspects and fragments.(eg: something instead of bastion, revert sunspot behaviour so you are not invinsible, permenant invis or combination blow uptime stopped, etc).
Also, nice video and merry christmas
This is how Overwatch has been and that was with Bobby Kotick, Bungie did it without Bobby but now Bungie has him, death bed.
I checked out at lightfall completely, they had allready vaulted content I had paid for and Lightfall was taking the pi55.
Good video, thankyou ♥
I think the fact theyre delaying the final shape is a sign they're not gonna rush it out like they did with this expansion, either that or the layoffs have just been that bad that they need the extra time just to produce another lightfall level expansion now.
NO WAY THAT I JUST GOT AN AD FOR LIGHTFALL ON THIS VIDEO 😭😭
Is your mic all good? Seems to be clipping a bit.
I personally want the vex ornaments I missed out on completing it but I have enough bright dust saved for it 7:48
What's the point of getting Austringer and Rose when I like Eyasluna more? People make the argument well this gun has this and that when it's barely a difference anymore or practically the same. They keep making copies of similar weapons rather than innovating the concept that a firearm can be anything by the way it looks sounds and shoots. People would find a reason to play more if they added cooler or unique weapons and perks. Instead of oh it can get 10 more range than this gun. I'm not saying put Borderlands into d2 or a hamburger gun that shoots shit. Just something worth playing for and on another note make better new perks and somewhat better stats for old guns don't just give us a sunsetted version that hasn't changed for 5 years and shit we'll never use. At the same time, we wouldn't care if an old hand cannon had the same stats if it looks just as cool everybody has a preference. I would take a parcel of stardust over any meta weapon simply because it's a classic.
So far the best season, coil, dungeon, exotic mission ❤❤❤
Radial mass, isn’t that those huge tires they put on Jeeps?
Remember when we got like 4 strikes in forsaken multiple new crucible maps 9 supers 2 new areas?
thanks for blowing my ears 5 seconds into the video bro really needed that
Dungeon key is a highlight for evil monetization. What makes it worse is that it has became the only source to get artifice armor which further lays a point that destiny 2 is a paid to win game.
Although I'm against the sunsetting, craftable is a problem indeed, not just the way you explained. As a free player, the only possible things you could craft was engima, ammit, suros pulse (don't clearly remember it's name), hakke's SG and a stasis rocket launcher. There other craftable (behind season/dlc) that outperforms these free to get weapon. The only thing I appreciate bungie doing is allowing to craft past season weapon, the only downside being for a free player, it takes 2 season to obtain its pattern. Although there are free raid content where you get god tier craftable weapon (at least for a free player), it is not accessible unless you are a good player with good build that the hotheaded LFG members can play with. Then again the on demand exotic (both weapon and armor) belongs to a DLC that the player isn't ready to buy yet.
Also it is an observed trend that certain exotic and legendary weapons, subclass behind a paybar, and exotic armor gets "bugged" and overpowered becoming meta in game which frustrates people who doesn't own the DLC/Season at the time. By the time you purchase those it gets nerfed. As a player who only purchases content during black Friday or any other sales, this is relatable incident(s). Not that I'm blaming or claiming that devs are deliberately doing this.
The worst of the worst by far is the seasonal pricing. I don't mind season cost going up to 1200 silvers but the fact that bungie in game store page doesn't give an option for 1200 but rather 1100 and 1700 silvers (which is either less or more than required) is absolutely infuriating. If they give an 1100 + 150 (or whatever amount of silver they're generous to give) existed that basically covers a season cost (not in an excessive manner), I would be fine by it...
Darkside Royalty was ahead of the curve
And no one seemed to listen...
Exactly
Peak destiny story telling was when we had cryptic Information about the darkness. It was mysterious. Like Sauron in the lord of the rings. Not having a face made the villain far more imposing. Giving the witness a face gave me huge Pixar vibes and was a big let down.
I don’t know why people want to spend hours grinding for a weapon to get sunset
I just want to get the weapon and used it in the content I want not spending hours trying to get a decent roll
These streamers seem to forget that not everyone plays Destiny 12 hrs a day.
For us folk with real jobs and lives, crafting is a god send. It’s literally impossible for us to do end game content AND grind activities for god rolls with maybe 6 hours in the week. 10 if you’re lucky.
The worst thing is i've played less and less this year and every content since season of the deep has been a major banger
So should I buy Lightfall to get strand or just not get it?
I'd say pass on it or wait for a massive sale. It's not worth the full price
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 alright, thanks
How to catch lighting in a bottle only to pop the cork to watch it fly away!
I’ve only touched this season once and that was for 30 minutes it’s been break time
I think loot lost its incentive on e Bungie started doing the literal bare minimum to make new weapons. Plus, end game content is not hard enough to warrant going after that 1% better roll. They need much much harder content while giving loot that reflects that difficulty. End game, just doesn’t really feel like end game. It’s just build crafting.
i think for a long time we wanted to craft weapons and now that some or alot of weapons can be crafted we just do see a point to grind unless we get that red boarder. in a way we are suffering from success. we just want to make the weapon we wan crafted so we can get the god roll so theres nothing to be excited about when we do have it theres no bragging rights when u do get the god roll anymore since u can just craft it if its craftable
Sunsetting itself was never the problem back in BL. The issue was the vast majority of the game was sunset with little to no weapons to replace such weapons. If sunsetting is to occur, there needs to ample new loot to go and chase.
. . . . .if they start sunsetting again, im out, brother. They were talking about sunsetting weapons, armour, and supers. 🤷♂️ thats the way they wanna go hey its their game doesnt mean i have to continue my ten years of playing it. And if theyve shown us anything if we give them an inch they'll take the damn continent.
Bungie not making nex exotics armor is criminal
Well said but man am I tired of this negative echo chamber around the game I just want to enjoy
I’ve been having more fun playing D1 than playing D2 recently
No one enjoyed the God role, Chase prime example 198 adept pad. Ron and I never got the role I wanted. How do you call that enjoyment
I'll say the crafting system was a positive and still is one for people who don't have the time or simply just don't want to play this game religiously. For streamers and people who this is their one and only game farming god rolls is fun and keeps them coming back. For people like myself who play other games and work a 9-5 it's a pain in the ass that I have to spend 10+ hours playing the name stupid nightfall to get some stupid gun I really don't care about just so I can finally hit up a lfg to do a raid. Only for it to be then nerfed into the ground the following season. God grinding wasn't terrible when it was just 1 dlc per year no seasonal mods. With the seasonal mods and the constant rotation of weapons it makes that grind stupid and boring. I'd much rather sign in once a week get my chosen red border and be ready to raid in roughly 3 weeks with only 3ish hours of grind.
I had hoped that lightfall would be like beyond light where the expansion is kinda mid but the seasons were insanly good but no. We got a mid expansion followed by a D tier season followed by an F tier season with deep. But Witch and so far Wish have been very good. Just sucks that Deep and Defiance were so bad.
As for seasonal activity monetization, I don't mind it as long as they are giving me stuff I want to buy but they abandoned doing weapon ornaments for things like the dawning which is what I always paid money for. Some times I'll buy the armor ornaments but it's the weapon ornaments I always bought since I see them on screen often. But nope they'd rather make ghosts, ships, sparrows, and ghost projections... Like anyone is paying cash for ghost projections.
As for crafting, they really should stop making raid weapons craftable right away. Leave them as normal weapons until the raid gets a rework 2 years later. Then the adept weapons have value.
I actually really liked deep
@@lothianedwards7816 Was it your first or second season?
@@x9x9x9x9x9 Arrivals was my first season