Could US Air-Launched SM-6 Missile Snipe Chinese AWACS At 230+ Miles? (WarGames 221) | DCS
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Today we investigate whether an air-launched SM-6 missile could be used to hit Chinese AWACS and other high valued targets at ranges of 230 miles and above.
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OUTSTANDING...waiting for a Makos Hypersonic missile mission of the F 35Cs.....
I'd love to see AGM-183, Mako, and AIM-260 in one vid👍
As far as I understand Makos won't fit into the F-35Cs internal weapons payload, only F-35A and F-35B
Enjoy: ua-cam.com/video/np1qcVTYqb0/v-deo.html
@@user-2410Actually it can fit in the C, just not the B since the B needs to make room for the VTOL fan
@@grimreapers thanks man..👉🏻
Many decades ago, the USAF used the AGM-78 Standard Anti-Radiation Missile(ARM) and tested the XAIM-97 Seekbat, a derivative of the Standard. Both to be launched from fighter and attack aircraft. The SM-6 is a descendant of the Standard Missile. So this is very probable, but how likely would it really be?
Air launched SM6 lack the booster but it has AMRAAM Radar so it is definitely doable.
I mean we got pictures of F-18 with SM-6 missiles attached without the booster but it's probably just some tests and unlikely to employ them.
@ashblythe9598 Yeah, Navy officially didn't go for it. Still cool that they tested it IMO.
@@ashblythe9598Never underestimate the deviousness of missile slingers!
0:58 as of now, neither the cancellation nor the program itself has been confirmed, the same goes for aim-260 and its delay into service, and the air launched patriot was based on the pac-3 missile for anti ballistic missile purposes
It's amazing they can keep these things so secret. Camera's everywhere.
@@grimreapers BTW, PAC3 is 10 inches in diameter, 17 feet long, and about 700 pounds. Has been fired from an F15 before.
Edit: also the PAC3 doesn't have a warhead, it's kinetic energy "only" so direct hit-to-kill.
Has a small lethality enhancer (shrapnel charge) for larger air breathing targets.
Super maneuverable with the ACMs (attitude control motors) which are the solid rocket engines in the neck. Nothing can dodge it.
It's also hypersonic (mach 5+), and it's already supersonic by the time it leaves the launcher.
All public info available from Lockheed demo videos which go into way more detail.
@33:18
The first F-16 submarine...lol
Caps famous words..."I guess I lied"...lol
... and the LANGUAGE!! "you (F15) giant knob-face"! My poor delicate ears! 😢 😊
You guys did a thing. Nicely done
I still find it funny that you get an altitude warning as you are coming in to land!!
Apparently, Russia has moved one of its Su-57 Felons to Crimea with an escort of three Su-35s. Could y’all construct an intercept battle on the side of Ukraine, NATO, Turkey, or some other opponent to try and take down the Felon before it can land at an airbase? I feel like it’d be a little bit of a challenge, especially if using non stealth fighters and would probably make a cool video
From public reports about the Su57 and it being tracked on that escort, the RCS is estimated to be about the same as the Super Hornet.
Fun to watch a complicated mission... Well Done!
Mission goes EXTREMELY WELL...... aaaaaaaand then it's time to "land".
hmmm... yes...
Great mission with a banger of an ending
Love how all the PL-15s just didn’t function this time😂😅
They worked fine, we just flew smart and kept outside of their WEZ. (most of us)
This was my 2nd GR video after watching #215 (Iran mission). Great video and the ending made me lol. 👍😎
One of the most enjoyable videos in a while. Good effort. 🙂
AWACS in front "Dark dont shoot it down!" MADE MY DAY :D
Dark DIDN’T do a thing 😂
Very cool concept and awesome video, Gents!
"I think we're really good at distracting people." You don't know the half of it.
Mach 500....Whoops.... (Talk About HyperSonic) Error Will Robinson! About @27:50
Gorgeous, gentlemen! Loved it.
I was surprised how small SM-6 is. I expected a plane sized missile 😂
Yeah, surprisingly it's not that huge. Mk. 41 cells aren't all that big - so it's long, but nowhere near as big as things like Talos or S-200.
I think the ship's vertical launcher has a booster that gets it going
@@AEFisch The VLS configuration for SM-6 has a big-ass rocket booster attached, yes. SM-2 doesn't (except Block IV). Not a cold-launch system like S-400 where a pancake motor lobs the missile out of the tube and gives it the first 100m/s or so of velocity before the main rocket ignites, though - Mk 41 is a hot-launch system (as is SYLVER), where the rocket booster ignites while still in the cell.
There's actually a case to be made for calling the air-launched version here an air-launched SM-2 Block IIIc instead of SM-6. Though it probably makes things cleaner if they designate it AIM-174A instead of AIM-66something - there were earlier air-launched Standard variants like the Standard ARM and Seekbat.
Agreed.
It’s a GRaeaT DAY!
saying fuel's gonna be close at 17 miles? looks like Cap forgot about the SATAL 2021/22 Gold Final that GR won by gliding an F16 37 miles :P
You guys did a thing!
Awesome crew!
love those landing you guys . . . 👍
Would a missile kill people by flying over them if it was able to travel at mach 40 while doing nap of the earth? How far away would it be safe or deadly?
It would be cool for you guys to do this but you fly f-15ex and possibly with aim 260
Our AIM-260 in DCS only has a range of 135 miles, we'd have to get twice as close.
The F-15EX veridical stabilizers match like the F-15C and unlike the F-15E.
Me likey.
This was fun
They shoud install sommeting licke Sea-Ram on these big AWACS
I like it!
That SM-6 ripped chineese AWACS to shreds. What's the warhed on that thing?
64kg, per Wikipedia
AIM 120 is 20kg, for reference
64kg would shred an AWACS.
@@grimreapers Easier to list thing that aren't shredded by 64kg, lol
Does the DCS USA AWACS not have the electronic decoy and jammer pod that can be deployed and towed behind the jet?
They also added this to the F35 upgrade.
And the PAC3 Patriot has already been fired from an F15 (air to air) a long time ago.
Yea, AWACS are dumb in DCS unfortunately
Fantastic CAP
Who knew Pooosh could walk on water 🤣
Yup, he’s very religious 😂
Centerline tank vs middle tank
31:25. Outside of Stanley all the roads are gravel tracks. I doubt it's would be a comfortable landing. Oh! Sorry this is not the Falklands!
They did a thing.
Does DCS have the integral fuel tanks for the F16? Way less drag and extra fuel. Jamming pods are integrated with new radar as well.
WE have IFT modelled in the Block70 but not visible on the actual 3d model.
Where has Sock been?!?!
Ya he’s disappeared. I think him and Grump had an issue?
Ukraine does have an aerospace industry.
They could have put a second stage on a SA-2 or did an air launch while guiding it with a ground based radar.
Here's a hypothetical situation.
Design the StarShip in game. Use the military version of StarShip. Launch Star Ship from the U.S., have Star Ship enter back in the atmosphere over Russia or China and have the Star Ship while in horizontal flight, drop rapid dragon creates.
This is to test if the U.S. military does get a Star Ship. What could they use it for?
A stealth uav like a wraith or a sentinel carrying a missile to within 100 miles is a better way to do this sort of thing. Lobbing Thre hundred mile range missiles into an airspace is a tremendously risky action. Such a missile could go off and hit almost anything.
Cap: "Sheeps operating Patriots...!"
Me: Are you sure they're not wolves in sheeps clothing?😁
Could you do a scenario of USAF vs Navy from 1980s/90s
Yay!
Good fun!
If only there were places or extra taxiways somewhere to get off the runways. You guys should invent that.
Wow. That thing blew that AWACS to shit.
It really did!
Have you seen the figures for a high lob boost cruise profile for the Meteor, especially the projected figures for the Japanese version which will have the AESA seeker and the new anti radar software update. Realistic ranges against a big slow target forgoing the final boost intercept mode are crazy long and I mean crazy. There is also the boosted Meteor model using a version of the ASTER booster for air long and the figures are just silly. Saying nothing that isn't in the PD if you burrow.
What missile was it that the US Navy used to kill the satellite? Maybe that was the missile that replaced the concept of the ASAT missile the F-15 carried. It would be interesting to have an air launched version to kill a satellite!! Just looked up the missile the Navy used. It was an SM-3. I wonder if you could mount it on an airborne platform to kill a satellite!!
With fuel reserves, being so mission critical, why wouldn’t the first bird lunched be a tanker, so that the planes could be refueled somewhere closer to the target just enough to top them off. Wouldn’t there already be a tanker flying, if tensions were high, just to make such a mission possible and more safe?
Why not launch the slower birds first, so they could fly in a more fuel efficient manor, then let the faster bird catch up?
With just a little bit more planning, this mission would be a lot easier.
Happened to Damp Sock?
Just remembered this thought I've had for a while. Does the 515 taking off in the lead with afterburner help the planes behind them take off shorter? The more air over the wings add lift, and the F15 is pushing a lot of air over the wings of the planes behind it.
No, it hinders any aircraft behind due to wake turbulence (disrupts air-flow over the wings, minimising the amount of preferable undisturbed air), in civilian aviation aircraft wait a minute behind similar sized aircraft and 2 min behind larger aircraft before they take off to give the wake turbulence time to dissipate. Being fighter jets they create less wake turbulence so the effect is diminished yet still present so spacing is still used for maintaining a safe distance. You will see exceptions (aerobatics teams) blue angels, Thunderbirds etc. train to fly in turbulence, but it is not the norm, (wake turb = less lift = longer take-off run). 😉
^^ great explanation!
@markredacted8547 I get there would be a lot of turbulence. A ton more for civilian aircraft. A little Cessna in a strong wind can get airborne though, and there is a ton of turbulence.
I'm guessing it would come down to wind speed, weight, aerodynamics, turbulence etc.
@grimreapers Yo Cap. Hope you're feeling better. Youre soundong good. Maybe you could test this somehow in DCS? Turn on hurricane force winds and do a standing start.
@@nathanellis3111 Different wing types generate different vortices behind them, most aircraft civilian and military aircraft think 737, 777, A320, F16, F15 rotate (take-off) around the same speed with an average of 157kn (180mph/290kph) depending on load-out etc. The only difference being the drag and vortices behind the aircraft causing turbulent air. Also keep in mind turbulence is relevant, I am not exactly sure why you assume the Cessna experiences more turbulence? maybe I misunderstand you, but that same turbulence is felt on every aircraft it is just felt differently due to the engineering design of the aircraft and how it manipulates the air around itself. A Cessna will feel a roll for example that you have to counter with rudders due to the propeller rotating air which spirals across the surface of the body where it makes contact eventually on the left side (facing forward) of the rudder, (pilots pov, prop spins clockwise, this air will make contact with the left side of the rudder which pilot corrects with right foot forward on the yaw peddle straightening the aircraft, in a jet, air is thrusted equally backwards and no yaw is required to correct excluding cross wind, the only air impacting the front of the jet is caused by momentum it's designed to be slippery (kind of) as this just opens up more about connected vs disconnected airflow. in this example alone I hopefully show how although both planes may look similar they are designed to interact with the air differently. My recommendation look up a book called "Understanding Flight" (David W. Anderson & Scott Eberhardt) it is a great book on how flight works as well as explaining wing design and it's interactions with the air. Sorry for the long message I didn't want to just put the book info in and say "do research" as that would be rude, so I put some ideas I think might help you understand airflow, without being able to draw pictures it is a little difficult but hopefully my memory of aerodynamics in aviation isn't too broken and I helped in some way. 😉
It would make more sense to send in F-22’s and F-35’s first to get in close and engage the Chinese fighters.
Sure, but Cap said they were using 4th gens to make it more of a challenge.
Blue background color when you see the map??? how??? i want it hahaha
Extract or withdraw, never ever retreat.
isn't that call a wild weasel style mission cap ?
Kinda except with a chainsaw
can you do this again but with f22s doing sneaky action or a nonsensical version with av8s
5th gen is just too easy. They can only see us at 20 miles. Too boring for us.
Hey Cap why do you still have all your AIM's left...?
Hmmm what about an air-launched SM-3 Missile? :-D
Anyone know what happened to Fly? Haven't seen him for a while.
He's about in the land of GR discord
He’s been around a lot in recent videos…can’t miss that German accent
Next mission: US Navy Carrier Group against the Chinese navy, only this time the US Navy jets are armed with SM-6’s. Now _that_ will be interesting!
oof wouldn't want to be Chinese in that battle...
Given that the SM-6 is also a confirmed anti-surface and anti-ship missile... yeah, that would be a nightmare for the reds.
Rumors of a B model AIM-174/SM-6 that will mount a bigger booster and bigger warhead, to be utilized as a strike missile.
AMRAAM and PL-15 were pretty much useless today...
"who needs super long range missiles when your fifth gen fighters can *actually* get within spitting distance?"
-USAF, probably
Yup that's absolutely true BUT that's not the sexy way, will not impress any girls like that.
@@grimreapersYup, chics hate 5th gen pilots 😂
If you aren't sticking around to the very end...may all your spins be flat.
ummmm your intro might be incorrect lads...The US AIM-260 with 200km plus is set to enter service this year....
Did Cap fire a missile? :P
Which map is this please ?
Why no refueling tanker?
You said that the SM6 was probably never put into service because of it's weight. Therefore you used the F15. What if you used a B21 as a super long range stealth air to air fighter 🤔
I swear I about fall out every time Cap replies to someone's pun. 😂😂
15 seconds🫡
Thaad😅
Why isn't china and japan used in game? Is the whole world not modeled? Genuinely curious.
DCS does not have the whole world modeled so they have to pick an existing map to use.
@@duanemckinley9353 Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up for me!
Good mission 🖖🏿🇹🇼
This is cool, I like it, but he fact being left out. Is we don’t feel the need for a dedicated missile to do this. As the only true super power. What does that say? We already can. With existing missiles and aircraft/drones. Deal with this problem of enemy limited awacs, and is zero issue to do so/naval ships and missiles. Everyone knows what we release is already 2 plus decades old at least. And we could do it 20-50 years earlier even if at horrific cost.
How did you get the kill count and tax Payer cost on the top right corner?
The sheep want blood 😂
3300 hundred pounds! lol
lost a F-16 who got shot down or crashed
And why aren’t you doing a ballistic climb until the engines flame out like when we shot down our own satellite footing the Cold War. To prove to Soviets we can shoot down theirs too? F-15’s can do more than Mach 2.05 of pushed to absolute limit of failure, stepped down a few percentage. Also they don’t flame out at high speed until like 70k plus feet, they are damn near space fighters. Literally. Give them 2-3 stages of JATO’s, and lox
For aux tanks, they could be space fighters. Literally that’s the funny part and they could still carry their normal air to air compliment of weapons. And be straight up low endurance space fighters: with a couple orbits max.
RIP AIM-54 🥲
Russian awac didn't stand a chance. Crazy...
whats a statue mile
About 310 of those Michelangelo's Davids end to end, or 5,280 feet.
And it is being called out since aviation makes heavy use of the longer nautical mile (6076 ft or 1852 meters)
Statue mile is the type of mile you use on land and in your car. A nautical is 15% longer.
@@grimreapers…that’s why I measure my giggity in nautical miles 😂
@@grimreapers"Statute," not statue. 😊
Sheep air defense. Well' that's something you don't see every day. lol
Would you intercept me?
"keep ahead of the F-15" only in DCS and IRL mission breifings, if sent alone that thing would just melt away even tho everything china has for "modern fighters" are nothing more than cheap imitations of russian garbage (they have nothing but 3rd, 4th, and 4.2nd gens), the J-20 is the closest they will ever get to a US built fighter but even that is TRASH (hence why im calling it a 4.2nd gen) so your attention to realism is unmatched and makes for sime interesting stuff! keep up the great work and maybe someday we will have that final standoff and see who has the superior firepower in the East China Sea! *now where did i park my star dreadnought*
I love it when people takes China on its word about their missile capabilities. It's not like we haven't caught them exaggerating like Russia does, lol.
The Chinese economy is only 10 times bigger than Russia lol
"I love it when people takes China on its word about their missile capabilities" - false. most people undermines our military assets particularly the ones we created from reverse-engineering & research
"It's not like we haven't caught them exaggerating like Russia does" - which part of Russia's military asset was exaggerating? care to explain coz i never seen one. or r u referring to Russia's cold war relics crushed by modern western assets?
@leexingha unfortunately for china their military is sub par when it comes to quality equipment
@@ethan3818 its fine as long as the margin isnt too wide. also, war isnt won by just equipment alone
remember, when GB underestimated IJ prior to invasion of Singapore? the attitude costed them 2 capital battleships
@@ethan3818You based that on what data?
wait. why you guys use DCS for current political tension simulations? i dont get it really. if some china channel did the same id react in the same manner. this isnt righ nor fits DCS comunity guidelines. you should stay away from this kind of DCS content. its inpropriate torwards chinese DCS players at last. simulate nuke impact on Britain using channel map or something gross. Id mind that too. youre sinking in my eyes guys. use some other software if you like but you just provoke low level efforts here. im shielding my DCS part from this.