Could AC-130 Gunships Bomb 1944 Germany With Impunity? (WarGames 52) | DCS
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I would absolutely LOVE a Doolittle Raid scenario mission!
I belive they did a Doolittle raid with C130s before.
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Is that for the sound of the engines, the guns, or the wails of the doomed below?
I grew up in Dayton Ohio and they did a flyover of 75% of the still flying B-25B Mitchell's. Growing up next to the Air Force Base I saw some cool airplanes fly over but nothing was as crazy as sitting in my living room and the entire house started shaking from the B 25s. They flew over low in formation one of the coolest things I've ever seen
Im a C-130 crew chief and have flown around on them alot over the years. They don't climb fast when loaded heavy. They don't fly fast at all and don't spend much time over 22k feet. For those of you who got your wings shot off, that section of the wing that went missing is where the ailerons are. So those planes would not have survived. Since B-17s had between 10 and 13 of the .50cal guns depending on the year, you would have been better off with fighter escorts on this mission since your AC-130s can only fire to the left and (at least in real life) can only attack ground targets. This was still a cool video.
as a mechanic this video hurts me deeply. the bank angle warning won't shut up because they're about 40 degrees past the bank angle limit of the aircraft which is like 30 degrees
No wonder they had to be evacuated .as low as possible at night using night vision
For some reason I figured our modern planes like these would of had a higher flight ceiling than WW2 German fighters
I keep telling people that just because your kit is from 2022-2023 does NOT mean it would have done well at war in 1940-something. It turns out that recency-bias when it comes to ANY and EVERYTHING is a real thing.
Exceeded max weight by a LOT too. Enjoy pulling those splice panels!
I've rode in a C-130 before, and what I learned is bring ear plugs
Gotta love those midnight combat landings in Afghanistan! Ears ringing and dizzy from the altitude change.
been most the way around the world on a fat Albert. sleep on the plane party on the ground.
Lol and a cushion if your sitting on nets
WHAT? SING BEER DRUGS?!
I worked with a guy whom was a c130j crew chief, smoked, drank and a triathlete.
Usually great videos but your postulate that C130s can fly higher than B17s is completely absurd. B17s had 4 supercharged engines that worked well up to altitude. Loaded a C130 can only fly to 26k while a B17 (B model) can get to 37k. Typical runs were made between 25 and 30k.
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Yes later models of the herc can fly higher including the ac variant. The point was Cap kept saying the b17 couldn’t fly that high, which was false and also was the premise of the video. Thank you internet nerds for pointing out the detail error.
This deserves more upvotes.
The big issue here was not using the C-130 to it's strengths and being impatient.
Yeah, I'm afraid that you blew your B-17 information on this one.
The OP.
I've taken a C-130H1 to FL350. Of course it was light.
attacking German planes acted like they were attacking historic bombers, with AA guns all over the hull, making unnecessary flybys and losing a lot of time.
Since the AC-130 got no AA guns at all and couldn't outrun in speed or height the BF-109 (at least model E-3 and later), the attacking fighters could slow down and stay behind the AC 130 air group, take their time for easy hits and destroy the AC-130 air group within very few minutes.
AC-130 would do a far worse job than any allied WW2 Bomber with AA armament.
This. The B-17 may not have goddamn cannons but at least it had guns that were good for its enemies, and more importantly, the B-17 had good coverage of guns.
The AC-130 is like if you taped a claymore (sword or bomb, you choose lol) to the side of a chihuaha, and the B-17 is like if you put a bunch of tiny daggers on a pomeranian, yes, the chihuaha does have a better weapon, but it would be unwieldy and only effective at one angle, the pomeranian, however, while not armed with as lethal of a weapon, has completely adequate protection covering all angles.
just makes it as if AC-130 got back in time and germans thought they were b-17. imagine that small movie: Plane where an Airbus get send through time into WW2
@@xXCursedWorgenXx There is. It's called Flight World War ll
@@carmannt6923 might be the movie I was talking about just didn't remember the name
Imagine what an early config B-36
Covered in 20mm ANM2 guns
With a full payload
The B-36 was planned for ww2 originally
The AC-130 orbits at a relatively low altitude and has no defense against enemy aircraft. So I believe no it certainly couldn't have bombed Germany with impunity.
It would have gotten spanked by AA.
I agree. In thr grand scheme of things, outside of perhaps more modern engines and modern firepower, the plane is similar to the b25. Lots of guns. But it's still a prop plane, and its HUGE. It's a massive target. I think it would have easily still found itself in trouble given that fighters the Germans had were very dangerous . I still firmly believe you would need air superiority for the AC-130 to loiter in 1944. They would get shot down just as easy otherwise.
tu-95 would be a better example than a converted transport.
@@rubiconnn Nope, wasn't until the end of WW2 (after) that the common altitudes rose to 30K ft. Most were able to hit a mx of around 25K.
The ac-130 is an angel of death. We would kick some nazi ass. 88s be damned
I used to spend a fair bit of time in the back of the C130. Sadly we often only had part of the ride paid for and had to get out halfway through the flight. Mostly through the side doors near the back ;). I always remember the take offs. The engine revs going wild, then the pilot would drop the brake and we'd all try and lean towards the front. With only personnel in the back they'd take off like a scalded cat.
We landed at an airfield in Italy once when the plane picked up some engine trouble. The crew called for a ladder, an 8 inch adjustable spanner and a hammer! Up went the ladder, up went the cowling, some wrenching and hammering. Put it all back and "Try that". Nope? Rinse and repeat until the engine fired into life. "Right lads, everyone back onboard".
Always felt a lot happier in the back of a C130 that the back of a civil air liner.
I'd love to see this same mission flown with B52s.
The B-52s just stay at 50,000 feet and carpet bomb with impunity
Vulcans!
@@Baruch.Spinoza B-29s did that very thing to Japan.
B-1 Lancers.
B2
My Uncle was a B17 ball turret gunner and tail gunner. He made 26 sorties over Germany in WW2. He made it back home yet he recalled seeing many of his friends go down. I could hear him talking to himself from time to time asking, Why did I make it? Especially if something important was going on in the family like a family reunion or something.
If they had scopes they could of fired sooner
They had to wait to shoot and often ended up disabled before being able to defend itself.
They weren’t as effective as I would of thought.
One thing people tend to forget is that the soldiers who fought in world war II we're not subject to the levels of violence we have today in TV and movies. We have become desensitized. WWII vets saw things very disturbing that wouldn't affect people today as much. They truly were the greatest generation.
@@davidjakiela9553I’m sure if anyone saw someone get their brains blown out infront of them it’ll fuck them up. For example I love horror movies and I’ve seen gore. I was visiting my sister in North Carolina and on the way there we went past a accident with a huge curtain around a car. As we drove past the car I saw a torso completely cut in half. I instantly puked and got into an anxiety attack.
Movies and shows don’t give you the raw feelings of seeing someone die in real life
I honestly would have gone for speed over altitude if you are going straight in - but if you wanted to use altitude to your advantage, why the hell wouldn’t you just climb over allied territory then proceed inbound?! 🤦♂️
they did because the plan didn't work bruh improvising was a big thing in ww2 since the communication and pressure was so bad
I call Shenanigans.
Real C-130's used to wake us up all the damn time in the barracks.
They'd spin those suckers up for, like, 18 days before takeoff, it was annoying as hell and they were damn loud for what they are.
EDIT: That was at Eglin, by the way, right next door to the 1st SOW.
This was so enjoyable to watch. Especially the tense formation flying while being strafed🤘
Fun to watch and I love that you did it. And all I could think of when that 109 was sitting in your 6 was that B-17s have tail guns that would make life very uncomfortable for that dude.
Cool video, but if the point was to show how much better turbo props are, don't you think you should of taken some of the weight out, if your bombing you don't need the gunship , if you take the gunship why bring the bombs. I'd like to see this with either just bombs no gunship to save weight , so these planes can take advantage of their higher altitudes
I agree with this. Not much point in bringing the gunship here when you have bombs, especially without gunners to properly aim the guns.
I just assumed she would have made 30k ft even with a load, but I was wrong! The error made quite a cool fight though.
@@grimreapers well CAP, at least it was really good fun. 🤣
@@grimreapers was cool to watch you guys use the gunship to take out the town, do you think it was the external bomb load that effected the speed, What if you had a M.O.B instead inside the aircraft
@@jacobmailhot6776 you couldn’t fit a MOAB inside an AC-130 without gutting it. A C-130J with proper pallet rails, straps and tie-downs yes. But you would have to remove the crew weapon stations and ammo racks in the AC-130 to do it.
It's common for heavy aircraft to fly circles around the launch airstrip to gain altitude and for everyone to get into formation before heading to the destination.
Try required. That's how they assembled into effective combat boxes.
Read about some of LeMay's experiences about early assembly attempts. It wasn't pretty.
Your videos are really getting top quality as of late. Keep up the good work, Really like your honest breakdowns up-front, Still the best DCS content creator, & ED knows this.
awww :)
You really buttered up that runway on return Cap. Noice flying!
Those interceptor pilots were flying like there were tail gunners. They ought to have just saddled up and blazed away until they were out of ammo
The AC-130 is not in any way comparable to the B-17, or any WW2 bomber, simply for the fact that it's capable of accurate bombing. Most bombs dropped during WW2 landed over a mile away from their target.
Yep. Analog v computer chip war.
They were dropped en masse though. What would you choose instead of the AC130, something inaccurate? That’d be a hoot to watch in this setting.
Radar guided bombing in WWII had pretty good results, fyi, and was pretty accurate.
I call BS on your assertion that most bombs landed a mile away from the targets. What is your source for this statement? Also, are you talking about the daytime bombing missions performed by the U.S. or the nighttime raids preferred by the British?
My dad was in the Air Force between 1955 and 1959 and was a Crew Chief on a C47. He got a chance to fly in one of the first few C130s and he said two things about that flight; it’s the loudest plane he has ever been in and when that pilot pulled back on the stick they went straight up.
55 years old, and I wait like a puppy for this Cap.
Your inner 5-year-old.
The AAA is to weak for '44. It should be at least 10,5-cm-Flak 38 and better 12,8-cm-Flak 40.
Turbo jet powered Hercules could be a cool what if spin off/fantasy warfare scenario. This was a really cool comparison. The Hercules is basically an uprated b17 and I would never have thought of that.
My dad was a co-pilot of a B-17 (Duffy's Tavern) and as I recall he said they would make a few rather lazy circles over the channel while gaining altitude. And yes, when they worked, those heated flight suits were VERY welcome especially when over 30,000 feet.
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I think if you had done the circle routine while on the safe side of the red line, you would have been well over the 109's and 190's when they tried to engage.
They would circle for quite a long time while waiting for all the other bombers to show up and join the attack group. My grandfather was a bombardier on a B-24.
Remember the Germans had radar, and would direct their fighters to the area and altitude which the bombers are at.. Typically 1-1.5km higher to give them altitude advantage..
Good experienced GCI's would try to bring the fighters in with the sun behind them..
Hence the Luftwaffe's reputation for coming out of the sun
Damage model my ass, you guys should not just have lost the tips of your wings, but all your control surfaces, flaps and pretty much all of the lift generated by the wing. There were some really nasty strafings by the Krauts in the first attack, most, if not all planes should have been severely damaged.
Hits wooden pole with wingtip: no problems
Brushes bush with landing gear: DESTRUCTION AND BIG EXPLOSION!!!!!
Needed some P-47s as fighter cover! Good show.
Thanks guys, a blast to watch and entertaining as always. One quick question; is Damp the only one who knows how to crew the guns while flying?
Gosh darn, I’m about 10 videos in on a 3 day binge with you all and I must say, I LOVE, absolutely LOVE YOU ALL. Keep up the amazing work my beauties. I’ll be here watching for every vid from now on. Cheers!
it may not be fast action but surprinsingly serene to watch and enjoy all of it.
The late physicist Freeman Dyson relates a WWII story about a study of Lancasters which showed they could fly 50 mph faster (and higher?) if the AA turrets were removed which would save more Lancasters than having the AA in place. The mod was rejected because bomber crews were more afraid of being disarmed.
It wasn't a study. Dyson was 19, saw some mail planes heading east going a bit faster and did some maths on a napkin.
In reality, unarmed lancasters used for mail delivery were only 15-20mph faster when heading west (i.e. heading home), far from fast enough to avoid German fighters.
But even if they were 50mph faster, it was still nowhere near fast enough to evade German interceptors of the time, and shortly after he made the proposal the first German jet fighters were flying, which put an absolute nail in the coffin of Dyson's poorly concieved idea.
Further to that, according to Luftwaffe records collected after the war, half of all their interceptions failed BECAUSE of the Lancaster's gunners.
So yeah, it was a terrible idea from a man who is honestly most famous for his consistently terrible ideas and flights of fancy and track record of being wrong on a lot of things (by his own begruding admission). He still contributed to a lot of very important science when inspired by or working in collaboration with others. But left to his own devices he was quite a mess.
You can circle over the channel placing your guns outwards to enable them to fire at the incoming fighters while trying to gain altitude.
Some great formation flying on everyones parts.. great job
15:11 this is what brings me back. I love the sarcasm.
I would love an official module at some point, would be a fun middle ground between something like an Apache and the A-10
That was cool! Might I suggest a 2nd run, but this time, head West to gain altitude, THEN make your run at 35,000ft. Add a refueling if that's an issue. It would be fun to watch 10 pilots coordinate inflight refueling.
This was such a fascinating video!
the music was a nice touch Cap
It would be interesting to fly this mission with Tu-95s! I got to fly in a C-130E from the Wyoming National Guard from Boise Idaho to Anchorage Alaska in 1988. That was an adventure, especially when you're 14!!
I like that you're using "Ace Combat: Assault Horizon" soundtrack, "Blue on Blue". ACH was the only Ace Combat game I ever fully played
Awesome to see the one flying on 3 engines
The B17 had turbocharged engines and cruised at between 20 & 30 thousand feet. That’s why the crews wore heated suits and used oxygen. Which is also why the P51 had to operate at 30k ft.
And... all of that is why the Germans developed rocket powered interceptor aircraft and the Me262 so they could get up to B17’s before they dropped their payload.
Man when Cap started screaming as they were shooting him in the tail I was weeeeeeaaaak! Hilarious guys!! 👍🏾👍🏾
"Our planes will be able to bomb with impunity"
That sounds very familiar, now where did I hear that speech before???🤔
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Hell of a landing there Cap.
Reapers: I would love to see this same mission flown with the B-29 Superfortress! I recently toured "FIFI" the only flying B-29 left. Many B-29 crews were awarded ACE medals due to their high kill ratio against enemy fighter planes. Their .50 cal. guns could be linked together to all fire on the same target, or used on every angle for air defense. Plus the large bomb load!
Isn't FIFI one of two? The other ones called Doc ain't it?
My grandfather flew a B-17 in late 44-45. Can't imagine how cold and still the flak and more
The most scared I've ever been in a plane was being in the belly of a loaded C130 doing a combat landing. The damn thing just falls out of the sky.
Gives a whole new meaning to 'Golden Showers' eh? 😁
First time ever seeing this simulator and Christ it was exciting to watch lol. I didn’t expect to be on the edge of my seat full of adrenaline at 2:00am but here we are😂
8:56 “I dont have damage” *hits a hill and blows up*
23:24 “HA HA HA HAAA suck my face!’😂😂😂
Pretty cool combat, but if the Allies get the fantasy upgrade with the AC-130's, I think it would be cool to see another go if they were being intercepted by Me 262s (if the modelling for those is available to you).
Classic Grim Reapers. I know this is an older vid but I love the energy.
That was genuinely entertaining!
Lost wing tips! Great for going faster I guess. Less bombs and weight. But far less responsive when landing. Love the channel. Fascinating.
Even in a simulator, before crossing the red line you should gone up to the altitude by circle in around and once you are at the right altitude you go toward your targets. And one thing you have to keep in mind, B-17 many had a long flight before reaching the coast, that gave them enough time to go higher. And you wanted to go above the flight envelope of the german fighters. You should have taken the time to reach the altitude to go above that flight envelope..
OK, Top Gun: Mav is a must see for all dogfight enthusiasts. I look forward to your analysis?
Umm… Have you not heard that the U.S. bombers had turbochargers? In aviation, these mainly serve to compensate the effects of altitude. The thing with bombers aft that era just is that they are pretty slow and not too manoeuverable in general (Although I have read stories of Shorts Stirlings doing aerobatics and a lucky H.P. Halifax out-turning a fighter) and flying in close formations where anything else than flying constantly straight and level brought you into danger of collisions.
If y'all had a single escort fighter y'all wouldn't have even taken a single hit, lol. Great video!
gosh, if you'd climbed over England to a desired altitude, say.... 18-20k what would you have been at by the time you got to the target area? speed may not have mattered if you got up to 25k. maybe with better or remotely thought out tactics, you could have "operated with impunity"
Dora ceiling is 40k
The 109 and 190 both have a service ceiling of 35-40k ft. The best bet would have been to climb to 33,000 ft and then accelerate up to top speed, THEN start the run to the target, and hope that it takes time for the fighters to catch you
In real life the B-17's circled over the home base until they had altitude. The books i read stated that it could take as long as 2 hours. A fully loaded B-17 had about 300 feet per minute rate of climb. OMG, Could you imagine the stress of climbing that slow? You should have at least taken a long lazy circle for another couple of thousand feet. LOL
I was an aircraft electrician on AC-130s for six years and I love everything about this
Intense well done 👍🏻
mowed the grass on that take off...nice!
Interesting start to your video. My Grandads Lancasters squadron flew more daylight raids from June 1944 than it did night raids. Just interesting you chose 1944!!
The versions of the WWII planes we have operated in game operated in 1944.
@@grimreapers Also by August 1944 Germany would have been in full retreat, most of the 88's would have been redeployed and fighter cover minimal, it's an easy almost undefended target.
Remember to have everyone stagger on each side of the runway when setting up a formation take-off
In slick J's, we do formation climbs at 2.5 FPA and 180 kts. Might be a little easier than the 10 FPA you were doing.
this was intense, loved it
God you guys are absolutely hilarious to watch I love all of your videos keep it up!
Good lord! That was epic!
That would have been a mobility kill on the windsock.
I live near Dyess AFB in Texas, I get to see these big ass planes flying around all the time. Pretty sure I've even seen them destroying my town in simulated attacks, but I've never been able to ask a pilot about it.
You know the c-130 model that’s a flying broadcast station, with the extra antennae on the vertical tail? They used to be based half a mile from my home, so the c-130 was the most frequently seen military plane around here. Very loud, even from the ground!
This was a great video oh my it was so perfect 😂
Great video, what map software are you using?
Cap’s enthusiasm is somewhat charming. 😊
Finally, a C-130 I don't need to rig Ailerons on since they seem to fly just fine without them.
Flew on one of these in Afghanistan. We were basically in a valley in between mountains so the only way to take off is to do a combat take off. Only way to land, combat landing. I couldnt see out the window because it was like 3am, but I'm sure we were manuevering like this too. Definitely nerve racking
As a base brat that lived on the end of the runway in CFB Trenton for 7 years, there is a special place in my heart for watching C-130's fly around. Accurate? debatable. Very cool? yes, yes it is.
"leave us alone" AA technique implemented in C130s during raids in the belgian coast :-)
The wingtips shot off made all those Hercules a Superleggera...
The gunsight is in the wrong spot in the cockpit, it should be on the left of the pilot’s station. There would be no point in using the box formation in planes that are unarmed for self-defense against a fighter attack, scattered would have been better to make it harder to get them all. If they had defensive armament, then a box formation would be sensible.
@@TeenTeenFpv I get the formation flying thing, but different aircraft require different tactics. This is the reason you used the Herky Birds was to highlight the differences. That was my thought process on that.
20:10 and that right there is my new wallpaper
Man watchin that hurc bellyflop in those trees had me dying
This is an Awesome video LOL. Thanks for the entertainment.
Imagine how this happened during the war with 1000+ planes flying in formation.
If you want to make a scenario how about having a bunch of maps from WWII Europe and using bombers and fighters for missions. The more targets you take out the the easier the next mission is, and D-Day is where it starts to get fun.
The props on those are so large that once one snapped off and sawed the fuselage in half. Everyone onboard died. Strange incident since we're supposed to be the maintenance military.
This was oddly interesting, thanks.
Should have just leveled up to the C17. ;) Alternatively, it would have been fun to see C-2 Greyhounds or A-6E Intruders run the same mission.
A-6 hellyea Roger that!
@@skyhorseprice6591 A-6 yes, but compare those with the Canberra, or even the Mosquito..... then again, throw in the ultimate: A wing of Buccaneers going in at wavetop height ready to drop their knickers to put off any pursuing fighters.
"We got shot from behind, it was a 109" The 190 just shakes its head. Lol.
Playing a realistic game with an unrealistic scenario. Love it lol
I have to say that went better than I thought as the ac-130 isn't made to be fast or fly high.
Lmao love the clip wing Spectre look. Bet it dogfights better like that too
It'd be interesting to have a few era-correct prop planes as a fighter escort
May not be quick GR like f16s, but by heck a beautiful sight, of all those C-130's.
Would be cool to see from the fighter side also
Try it again, with RATO bottles....get up to 20K (bottles unused, obv!) and then light the bottles and go straight up!!
nice
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Cap, you're hired!
Good Run!!!!and fun!!!!
That was so cool!