Genesis on The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway part ONE
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2011
- Genesis comments on their sixth album The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
Genesis 1970-1975 Box
In The Cage
Back In N.Y.C.
Carpet Crawlers
Chamber Of 32 Doors
The Lamia
Part Two
• Genesis on The Lamb Li...
admirable how patiently gabriel tells the "jill had a difficult birth and i had to record the lamb" story for maybe the seventeenmillionth time
MUSICA CHE MI TRASPORTA FUORI DAL MONDO. SONO IN PARADISO. CON I MIEI RICORDI DA RAGAZZO DI 15 ANNI. SEMPRE NEL MIO CUORE FINO ALLA FINE DELLA MIA ESISTENZA.GRAZIE RAGAZZI DI AVERMI REGALATO QUESTO GIOIELLO.
I seen in an interview with Gabriel that Suppers ready was a dream he was having, when it promptly ended when his wife screamed in his ear Suppers ready!!!
The greatest album ever made.;
If the live show matched the albums vocals it would have been better than the Wall. He tried too hard singing live and the west side story direction didn’t help either. His head got too big and it hurt him.
Not sure of that, but all hail the youthful ignorance!!
On reflection, more sure that this was,wasn’t just, at best , a bunch of 20 something’s British lads getting their over- educated British ya has out
Still remember the magical unsureness of putting the album on that first night
I totally agree,it is to me the greatest album ever,it don't matter to me who did what,the album itself music/ story/vocals it's a few months shy of 50 years old,and I'm still listening to it now,I never tire of it,I've got loads of albums by alsorts of artists who's albums are supposed to be better fir whatever reason,but from the 1st day of its release to now I have never wavered in my opinion that its the best album ever,but then that's just my opinion,that's the beauty of music it just comes down to personal taste,in other words "opinion",and its mine that The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is the best album ever,❤
I saw Genesis do The Lamb 2 nights in a row in December of 1974. I saw them in April that same year during the "Selling England" tour, where they opened with "Watcher of the Skies" and closed with "Suppers Ready". That was a pretty good year.
"Pretty good year". Lol. ha! ha! ya think!
Is it true that the audience had never heard most or all of it before that moment?
@@evankeal yes. In Rochester most were hearing the concert for the very first time. There were plenty of confused, losrt/angry audience members,
@@markboccaccio I am still trying to figure out how that was considered a good idea, in hindsight it's the stuff of legends.
You sir are a lucky man,👍
What I don't like is how others don't give kudos to Pete, as if his contribution was minimal. Without him, there would be no Genesis, or not much of one. They do the same to Steve.
And many more.
it's sad to see Tony behave this way, and know that he had always been that way.
Jim Kerr of Simple Minds was a huge Genesis fan in the 70s . He gave his own take about the other band members ' crabbing and moaning about Peter Gabriel's role in Genesis ; the lyrics , stage persona and the costumes. Kerr said , " Thank heaven I don't have them as fellow band members ; the moaning ... my God ! Do they not realise that had it not been for him ( Gabriel ) , they'd have been playing in Camel . " Kerr went to see Genesis in 1972 and came away awestruck by Gabriel's stage presence and performance .
A progressive rock masterpiece...In my opinion the most imaginative album they ever did...Not without imperfections for sure, but an acid trip on vinyl with the added bonus of amazing artwork and storyboarding...
100% - it was a radical departure from Foxtrot and Selling England. As great as those albums are they had reached the limit of what they could achieve with that.
the best album released ever!
I thought it was pretty rude of the editor to pump in “Here Comes The Supernatural Anesthetist” while Peter Gabriel is recounting how his wife and unborn child nearly died from malpractice involving an anesthetic needle.
Their best work by a million miles
Thanks so much for uploading this. They're a real treat.
When I first heard this album I was still in High school. The lyrics immediately grabbed me. (Putting the great instrumentation aside, which parallel the ambitiousness of Peter's story telling, here-I don't think it runs diagonally to it. Instead both harmonies and lyrics strengthened each other via building a cohesive meaning that suited both wishes for higher ambitions in current pop cultural genres, at the time.Punk was already taking hold ( 74 was a transformative year) I still would have yet to read lots of fiction, mythology, psychology, philosophy, etc. In other words books really helped me find a place in the world. When I came to understand a little more about what makes people tick, ie good storytelling-hence religion does best via examples, as does Greek mythology, where you can put yourself in a hero's (and villains') shoes - it came to my attention that in this collection of songs there is a sort of hero's journey that reaches archetypal dimensions. Peter Gabriel said it himself with regard to the songs containing a bit of a soul's journey in there. Before I discovered Tolkien, Bulfinch's mythology package on Greek myths, Anderson's fairytales, etc. Then later Joseph Campbell's ideas about the hero's journey, and the list goes on, it was this album that teleported me into what I believe Pinder, Homer, Poe, hell even Moses, if you want, was driving at with regards to you as individual still waiting to experience life's mysteries getting 'picked up' or elected for an adventure which is catered to your character in a unique fashion and yet possessing all the moments which will be shared by a population. The main character fusing a greater part of the world into himself-in this case Rael's own brother John. The similar experience to when you see Star Wars for the first time. Both came out in 74, right? Story was and still is for me is king, and yet this album would not have carved such a deep and momentous groove in my spirit had it not been for those instrumental Argonauts. And yea, I think for a time Peter Gabriel was Genesis' Jason ;)
PETER SURROUNDED HIMSELF WILL BRILLIANCE !
I love this album and soon got bored with the 'how'. I guess the music is so good you just expect so much in the concept. all I can say is it will stay with me forever. it really is more than the best genesis album, its one of the best albums...that will have to do for me.
This Album made my name.
For me, In the Cage is the best song of The Lamb!! one of the most amazing song of Genesis
Cage is actually a little bland compared to title track , Carpet Crawlers and the amazing Back in NYC..But Gabriels at his best here...lyrically his imagery wit and "avant guarde blow away Tony Banks MAd Man Moon, a lovely composition where the lyrics are safer gentle and more one dimensional...Gabriels on his own island here...genius
Listening to this album is and "event" like listening to "Dark Side of the Moon". It's just a special and unique piece of work that is on a platform by itself. Bizarre, powerful, dark, funny and musicianship beyond measure. Perfection..
So very well said
It really is amazing to hear these guys - the creators of this piece of genius - talk about it as if someone else had done it. It's as if they don't have any idea how they did it, because they would never do anything like it now. Bizarre...
"The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway"...for me and others is Genesis` Top Three recordings..!
absoutely right.Trick of the Tail is Brillant.I have played it constantly for years.it's on vinyl and CD for me.gotta keep my record nice.Ripples just takes you to another world..
Same, love it!
@CycleSpreads Yeah no love lost there is there. Gabriel slagging off Tony about his indulgent keyboard solos irrespective of whether he lost the audience. And Tony slagging off Peter about him being centre of media attention. And Tony saying The Lamb story and lyrics done by Peter were poor. Jealousy me thinks because Tony you are wrong. Yes, it was pretentious, but it was (is) genius. Pure genius.
what i love so much about the lamb is it´s strange, dark beauty, with only flashes of light shining through here and there for a moment, reminding of the easy, positive mood of selling...at least that is how i feel about it
found it funny that Tony says it didn't move him whatsoever and then Peter goes on to say it takes the listener on a spiritual journey!! I think you need to admire this album a little more Mr.Banks
Why would he? It's bloated, angry, and bombastic, though occasionally superb. Gabriel's story ruined the work. Spiritual journey? No. Veiled anti-Americanism. Chamber is superb, among other works, and the lyrics somewhat gripping. But the identification with the working class seems a bit forced. Peter, a great musical force, weighed the album down and left it joyless.
Why does it have to have joy in it.
For me, Lamb had stood the test ot time best out of all the others they made in the early to mid seventies. That said, Foxtrot is still by far my favourite
Heard. Read! This album took up repeated listening in my upstairs bedroom of my parent's house.during the late spring/early summer of 1977!!! My bedroom was flooded with daylight and I listened to this vinyl record on my turntable multiple times a day. Et tu....?
THe Lambs the end point for the truly creative greatness of Genesis...they lost alot without his passion, lyrics imagery, incredible showmanship and utterly ripping spiritual voice. But Gabriel by himself also took a hit as great as his solo work was...and raw and powerful rhythmically ,the input of Banks incredible harmony, Hacketts brooding and beautiful Gtrs ,Collins very underated complex odd time drumming and their collective ideas made them greater than sum f the parts...
Like the Beatles who separately wrote GREAT stuff... the Beatles most creative stuff was together w G Martin not by themsleves...same as w Genesis in my humble opinion
Its a shame that, during these box set interviews, no one in the band mentioned Hairless Heart. Fans of this album, and indeed the Gabriel years, regard this as the most haunting instrumental that Genesis ever did and a real high point of the albums first side. Odd that it doesn't even get a mention from any of the five.
Second side on vinyl/ first disc on CD :) I agree, it's a very emotional piece, what a melody and texture!
a real good group of musicians
Amen to that.
It does not matter what each individual like or dislikes about anything, what matters is whether it is good or not. This stuff is good, full stop.
@tremblantbear Caught The Musical Box this past November here in Boston. Such a great show!!!
Arguably the best Genesis studio album ever. Some albums had better individual tracks, but overall the Lamb is the best as one body of work. Well worth getting the most recent remastered version, and playing it on the best audio system you can get.
Hopefully I get this box set for Christmas :)
i luv phil's weed reference! this was the big 1 for this lot. the music was turning from progrock to rock rock. they really opened it up for this 1. The Lamb is as inflated as they were then. like a Who/Zep record...they were off to be the biggest w/peter...later came w/phil but fate had changed...just imagine if they would of remained. HUGE.
He said it around the time of the 2007 reunion shows, and was amply quoted in just about any respectable UK media source you can mention. The exact words he used, as I recall, were: "...I can't really get behind much of the stuff from that period...", referring to the pre-Duke days. That being the case, it's a testament to his professionalism that he managed to do it live, and well, for all those years.
This is a great documentary- It’s funny I’m not a prog fan but I love the Gabriel Genesis albums and feel their sound is above simplistic labels like prog.
It's not perfect but it had so much heart & imagination. Perfect for the 70s. I remember I had a friend who always requested it. Sitting around a Southern California hippy hole. Along with pink floyd dark side of the moon. 1976 in southern California. What a time.
There always seems to be controversy over 'The Lamb.' Controversy aside...the album is simply brilliant. Yes...it's not like N Cryme, Foxtrot or Selling England...but that's what makes it so good....something different. Once again, every song is an integral part of the whole. Experimental pieces such as 'The Waiting Room, Riding the Scree and Silent Sorrow...' add to the texture. Light and shade, atmosphere!!! And the beauty and sorrow reflected in 'The Lamia' and 'Chamber..' Feel it.....
5:04 what version is this ?? My old vinyl has the old Charisma label on it.
@geomusicmove Yip!!! You are Right!!!!!!!!!! Fantastic Stuff!!!!
My favorite album by Genesis, Abacab being number 2. I KNOW.
"The Lamb" is not only the best album Genesis ever did, it was by a large margin the best album released that year...by anyone.
push it to the cinema
Tony Banks could never come up, lyrically and storywise, than what Pete delivered.
Phil at 1:50, LOL !
Best Genesis album.
The Lamb is an album so fantastic, I never tire of hearing it. It also has one of the most complex stories-frames, deep and fascinating of all time. It has elements of all kinds: sociological, philosophical, mythological, political and psychological. An album (conceptual) with much content? I do not think one exists. Approach him in excellence and depth Quadrophenia and The Wall (to cite two key references) but this album is beyond everything.
The album, after repeated listening, doesn’t hide its weak spots very well,but it is stil an effort for the ages. Pretty magical night, both times!!
@casestudyification Could not Agree More!!
Peter's story reminds me of Night On Earth.
Wow. This shocks me. I can't believe he thinks this concept is the weakest. I don't even know what to think about that. It's like he is spiritually color blind or something.
:-(
The Lonely Rocker likes this album!
the point is just a surrealistic journey into the mind and soul of the main character Rael
I have to agree with Tony, it doesn't move me as much as some of the other albums do. Some good material, but not a double album's worth. Too bad Trick of the Tail wasn't a dbl album!
The story does noes not do it for me either, and the album should have been a single album. In particular side 3 contains filler material.
The first two sides though are prime Genesis. Back in NYC sounds more like Gabriel later.
I never have understand? how this album is not and any top of best albums of history if is the same greatness like a mmm,,,,, the dark side of the moon or can sell more than thriller. this album was the best in 1975.
that was the first time I've heard a reference to drugs in regards to genesis's songwritting
This was a sad chapter for Pete, if the rest of Genesis had fully understood peters situation of a difficult birth for him & his then wife, he may well have stayed longed with the band, "And Then There Three " may not have happened or come later in the 70s or possibly early 80s?😔
i felt so bad for him when i first heard about the making of this album, and i still do
It's been posted before; Tony Bank's opinion of the Lamb. Damn shame. I think he has warmed up quite a bit about it in later years!
It took me a long time to understand how all these people,
my idols in all these bands, eventually didn't get along. I'd
always be like, how can they have anything to disagree about?
They make tons of money, they're idolized rock stars, they
compose really good music and sing really interesting words.
But when you work the other people for years, you have issues.
Think about your work, my work. Sure, you're really fond of people
you work with for twenty years, generally, but not every day.
There always arises issues and points of contention where
you get home after work and say to your loved ones 'that
asshole!' and the loved ones say, oh it's no big deal, Friday
night you'll be at the bar with him and he'll be your best
friend again. And that's the way it was with these guys.
If they had to work together for twenty years, because
they had to work or starve, they would have. They made
enough money to not have to. And if I made enough money
to not have to go to work tomorrow with these people,
who I'm fond of but tired of, I wouldn't.
BUT, though Genesis, I'm pretty sure, weren't rich
yet at that time, it's still I think a little hard to get on
a guy who's baby is really sick. And it sounds like he
was also coming and trying to do the album.
The running off for some film idea, yeah, fuck that,
you wanna do that, then go do it and don't come back.
But a sick kid? Jeez, that's a pretty valid excuse
for some time off. And in hindsight, well they did the
album. And he wrote all those freaking words.
Anyway, side three of The Lamb is a little weak.
But in it's entirety, it's a masterpiece. Being a
New Yorker, the content is particularly magical to me
as Genesis albums go. The trucks in the early
morning, the sidewalk steam, the city that never
sleeps. Really, it's never quiet in NY, ever. 3 o clock
in the morning, wherever you live, there's trucks
and cars and buses outside the window, and sirens
and people still out. The vision of an agnst ridden
Puerto Rican kid who's been in jail and paints graffiti
on subways is pretty realistic and vivid, and the throw
him in this Gabrielesque bizarre world with weird sex
and hallucinatory cages and some kind of underground
river and a raven and slubberdegullions,
well, yo that's rock and roll.
But of all the Gabriel days, Supper's Ready was surely
the pinnacle.
Agree with everything except the Supper's Ready part. Can't stand that song. Weird, the parts don't particularly flow well together, unusual time signatures that don't match, lyrics are even more nonsensical than usual. Don't see what people see in that song.
Lamb is one of my favourites, but as far as best overall album...well, that's tough. Most people would argue that Selling England is their best studio album. Whereas, I thought that Wind and Wuthering had the best overall sound. But even that changes over mood and time for me personally. Phil stated that The Lamb was his favourite because its approach was very jazzy for him. I do understand that, especially coming from him.
@ChocolateHoneycomb Well, we can't all dance or have good taste in music, I suppose. The reason The Lamb needs sides 3&4 - which are very good, in my opinion - is because they are integral to the story line ( or the concept, if you so prefer ) about Rael's search for his inner self. The Grand Parade of Lifeless P... is a fantastic song. If you work out its meaning you might enjoy it. It's all about individual taste. My top three: TLLDOB, Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound - in that order.
Nice to hear that Tony Banks shares my opinion about the album, it didn't appeal to me like the previous albums. I saw the live show right after it came out, it was great in terms of lighting and costumes, but the whole thing just didn't appeal to me. There are some very good songs on it, but the story is too light.
Well if you call making Wind and Wuthering, And then there were three, Trick of the Tail, Duke etc going "down hill" I wish I could go down that hill... ; )
All these years later, and despite the tremendous success that came in the later 70s and 80s, Tony still seems bitter about Peter for leaving. More than anything, I think Peter's ultimate decision to leave was the lack of understanding from the band with the troubled birth of his daughter, even though it was portrayed officially as wanting to get out of music altogether.
do U use it as a tranq.ilizer ..
A million questions: What or who is the Lamb? Is "it" pursued Rael identity? The Chamber of 32 doors is one of the most reliable ways? which is the most convenient gateway for spiritual and psychic transformation? and more questions one can ask of this album-library of intellect and human existence
Tony bugs the crap out of me. He always gives a back handed compliment to everyone.
You've got to remember that Tony is a fairly direct speaker, he doesn't mess about, he says what he feels. He doesn't actually say he dislikes all of the lyrics, he just didn't really enjoy the overall story. If you want criticism of Genesis' music, then take Phil Collins; he said he pretty much didn't like anything they did before 1980...
...Because it was the best they did.I still think it was good that Peter left.
I’ve got two things to say.
1. i feel so bad for Peter. :(
2. Tony may not like the album, but i don’t care about his opinion.
phil IS so funny about the rats in headly grange "they just walk passed you stop and looking yeah ,yeah "you got a problem ?
@jeffthrow6892 strange, to me it is genesis most direct album lyrically - i find the lyrics very strong, all about the main matters of life, not hogweeds and firths
Tell us how you really feel Tony.
Happy they didn't reach the bottom until 1996. Good run I think!
: D sto ridendo perché ho controllato il tuo canale e vedo che tu sei in Italia .... Il nostro gusto musicale non sarà più lo stesso ... Possiamo piace lo stesso, ma ci sarà d'accordo di essere in disaccordo ... Vi auguro l'amore e la bellezza nel vostro bel paese ...
I wonder what the Friedkin / Gabriel idea could have spawned? If the record company had had any sense they should have funded the bands involvement to create a 'Tommy' style album / movie. I guess it may have been disastrous but it may have been extraordinary what with Peter's imagination,
Nowadays you could use The Lamb as a soundtrack & make a movie from it using CGI for the slippermen etc. Maybe it COULD still happen!
Johan Sebastian Banks... Already, genesis is abut my DNA ...
Jorge Francisco Isidoro Luis Borges Acevedo
El laberinto - Borges usa el laberinto para simbolizar nuestras vidas: no lo podemos escapar y no sabemos qué va a pasar; representa caos
it's a clear sign, everyone worked with steve and pete after genesis but tony banks. phil played with pete and mike and phil recorded with steve.
Punk was surfacing. Gabriel was on the right track. The tension between Tony and Peter had been building, mainly because they were childhood friends. Tony is still a little bitter with the way everything went down, IMHO. It is their greatest work, hands down because of the honesty.
It's all about synergy. . .
Please Don't Touch was vetoed because Phil said that "he couldn't get into it". It wasn't Tony's final decision, also he wasn't really jealous of the success of Voyage. Besides, it wasn't as successful as any of the Genesis albums at the time anyway. As far as Pete being the star, that wasn't the problem. The problem was that the press was ignoring the rest of the band. They (the group) was more about the music, and never really got the credit they deserved.
however, Gabriel was the one who left, partially because he liked the keyboard work on the album, but felt sorry he was not part of it.
so I have to make an album to talk about Genesis? Guess I am going back to study music again. I love Genesis by the way and I have all of their albums. But they are not equally good to me, Have I permission to say that or should I first be a musician?
In my opinion this album is the peak of Genesis with Peter. I don't know how they waould have come up with anything better than this afterwards. I guess we'll never know anyway. Also, a concept double album that predates The Wall, where I find some influences from this one.
Genesis is the top prog band of all times, that's my opinion, there were others of course, but that kind music will never be made again, not at that quality at least
Strong facts
I agree with Jellybeantiger. The best ever.
as expected, this is the most interesting one. even though they're couching their statements and being sort of polite, you can get the feel of a band breaking apart from its singer.
Hang on, so was it Friedkin or Gabriel's wife & child that were the reason for leaving? Some inconsistency there.
I love everything the band did between Trespass to Duke, but one thing they really lost when he left was the brilliant lyric writing. PG could present a fairy tale with a dark twist. When Banks tried to do this later on it just came across twee. Even Gabriel's relatively comedic songs; Epping Forest, Harold the Barrel, IKWIL all had a slight darkness, depth and intellect to them. Unlike Robbery Assault & Battery, Scenes from a Nights dream etc, which although musically very good were thematically and lyrically silly. IMO
At the time, these guys had no idea the total impact in music history and their ultimate genius for this record and others. Tony's opinion of the album artwork/storyline inside now is irrelevant (sorry). The music and the lyrics ARE always the best thing about Genesis! With all the support of other incredible musicians they've played with (Stuermer,Thompson,Levin,etc.), they+Peter,Steve and Ant could easily put a major reunion tour of The Lamb together. Do it for the Lamb!
En español please!!!!!!!!!!
@CycleSpreads Of course he couldn't, they were best friends :)
Just listing to them being so jealous of Peter that they don’t let him in the same room.
@daddysevenpointfiver Phil's unable to play drums due to surgery he had on his neck. He literally had to tape the drumsticks to his hands the last time he recorded because of his inability to grip the sticks...and I think Phil's retired for good, anyway. He seems resigned to think that no one wants him around anymore..
Its true what Tony says about the story if taken at face value, but it seems to me that a lot of songs are metaphors for common human experiences in a western society. ie. grand parade, slipperman, melody of74, counting out time. You may never figure out the lamia, crawlers, or it but "Does earth plug a hole in heaven or heaven plug a hole in earth"? Although cleverly stated one of the most pondered and agonized over questions ever and unique to the human psyche. Also, theyre just fun to sing.
I can relate to the comments by Tony. As English is not my native language, I find it very hard to understand the inmense amount of lyrics. As mutch as I love the music, I find it very hard to listen to the album without skipping songs.
Unlike Trick of the Tail.
I guess u think much of James Joyce is weak and skipped those classics too
Lamb was hard for me to listen to at first, but after listening to The Who’s Tommy and Pink Floyd’s The Wall again after about a year helped me get through Lamb for the first time.
yes that's true. it's tony. like when he says pete is a good lyricist but he actually doesn't like him very much on a double album. let's then compare pete solo career with tony then...
have you read accurately was I wrote before?
One of my favourite albums...signed 40+ year old fart
That's a good point!