Genesis comments on their fourth album Foxtrot. Genesis 1970-1975 Box Supper's Ready Watcher of the Skies Horizons Link For Selling England By The Pound • Genesis on Selling Eng...
It's funny hearing Phil talk about seeing "Yes" a lot and hearing them all talk about themselves during the "Nursery" & "Fox" period one's left with the opinion that they did realize what a Great band they were !!! : )
Isn't that's funny, though? You can imagine Supper's Ready as a masterpiece that was entirely planned out on paper and crafted in complete secrecy with some huge masterplan to dominate the musical world. In reality, it was a few different songs they threw together that happened to work well together. I wonder what it's like to listen to songs like Supper's Ready forty laters having been in the band? Or what was the recording of Close to the Edge like? Imagine having written it and being unsure of whether or not it's any good or not. Then imagine getting that amazing response (over decades).
I remember i listened Genesis albums one side at every morning, lying at my bed before going to school! It made me realize something better than the present situation i was in. It was kind of natural meditation, altough at that time i had no concept of meditation...of course. I was 15. but i think it saved my life!...It gave me a direction...
"It wasn't a real democracy, because some people were more powerful than others. The more bloody-minded of us tended to get their way more often..." (this was the "pseudo-democratic commitee system" he referred to in his "resigning" letter). I am a stupid fangirl. Comments like this make me want to have a time machine and the ability to be a fly on the wall at their rehearsals. I feel like my curiosity about Genesis can never be satisfied; maybe the result of being so late to the party.
I saw them in 1976 and thought I was too late to the party. You cannot be a stupid fangirl if you like Genesis; without doubt one of the best bands in the world! Phil Collins went to my school & left the year I started. Peter Gabriel shared the same communal gardens for 10 years and I never saw him once, so I am resigned to simply listen to their wondrous musical legacy...
Sileithel Tony tended to get his way more often than not, then Gabriel and last on the list would be Hackett and Collins. Contrary to what’s been said about Phil turning them into his band in the 80s Tony and Mike still had the main say, I don’t blame Phil for what came from invisible touch onwards, it was gonna happen anyway with the changing musical landscape.
Nah, we’re all curious of them. Top band. Fantastic music. And fantastic forever, songs like Suppers Ready, Watcher of the Skies, Get Them Out by Friday etc. etc. make me glad to be human.
@mothxal Not sure what interview you were listening to. I heard: 1:40 "I think we were writing better together as a group." 4:05 "Took the song to another dimension." 4:15 "Produced what was our best piece of composition.." 4:45 "I thought, 'That sounds fantastic!'" 5:00 "Incredibly strong moment" 7:29 The masks "worked really well" 7:45 "It was a great musical moment.." 10:15 "So we thought 'Ah, this is interesting'.." Sounds pretty positive to me....
PG comes across so mellow and dare I say normal these days so it sounds so bizrarre him talking about wearing his wife's dress with a fox head like that was just a day in the office!
I wasn't even alive when he was in Genesis, but from what I gather from archival material and interviews, etc, is that he was always pretty mellow and withdrawn in private, away from the stage. Very much one of those performers who adopted a certain persona on stage.
@klwewf Supper's Ready is one of the most creative pieces of music ever written. People who don't like it don't appreciate this kind of creativity in music, PERIOD.
As an Iron Maiden fan I once read that one of Steve Harris's favourite albums was Foxtrot. Even though I was a total metal-head at the time, I bought it, stuck it on and never looked back!
I like how they were able to stick a Genesis to Revelation Style track on there in the form of Time Table. Along with Horizons it creates two perfect 'intermissions' between the meatier tracks.
Yeah, definitely. I generally judge Trespass -~ W&W separately from everything that came after (although there are always elements later on that recall earlier, Duke for me is right up there overall), and on that basis I would say Foxtrot is the standout of the first era. The other PG albums are all good, of course, but just seem to not hang together as well as albums as Foxtrot, which is just such a unit of songs for which Supper's Ready is the crowning achievement, but ultimately so so because of the rest album supporting it and feeding in and out of it. Every song on there fits perfectly, but I can't honestly say that about every other album. My only real qualm is that I often find myself wishing Firth of Fifth had been on Foxtrot, it would fit so perfectly after Can-Utility, going into Horizons and Suppers Ready. But how much perfect can you fit on a single album? :P
@kfsfkakf In 1977 I went to see Genesis with people who said the same thing. In fact they thought the band was overrated and Supper's Ready was no big deal. 30+ years later they are still devastated by that show and Supper's Ready. Those people have been apologizing for 30+ years and after 100's of shows only YES, 1971 -1979 was equal or better. I can only imagine what they would have thought if it was the 1973 show with Peter on vocals instead of Phil.
@mothxal It seems to me as though all the members of the band express both their enthusiasm and their misgivings in equal measure, which is what makes the interviews - and the individuals giving them - interesting.
@@malcolmgerald Nothing wrong with being pragmatic and measured. Rather that than over-the-top hubris. Remember, 'hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way'...
@DaddyDrummer007 This what I saw on a Yes website. Sometime in August or September 1968 Bruford quits Yes to study economics at Leeds University, shocking the band, who recruits Tony O'Riley, formerly of the Koobas. For about a week a drummer named Dave Potts also rehearsed with them.
When i saw Genesis for the first time on the Midnight Special my first thougt was "oh no! not another KISS..I hated kiss..I thought another band trying to get famous by using costumes..So i changed the channel at the beggining of the song "watcher of the skies" But later on i foud out how wrong i was..Have been a fan since. Best wishes
I still think they could do it, generally creative and artistic ability gets better with age, scientific ability decreases. As far as Phil being in retirement, well that's up for grabs. He would just need to come back out of retirement. I mean, everyone including myself in 1996 thought he was done with Genesis for good, and then he came back and did a tour with them in 2007. I guess what I'm saying is never say never. You're right about his back problem, but he could still sing.
@yesshows100 The vibe i got from Phil it was 68. I might be wrong but i think it was in 68. I think Bill was going to College and Yes needed a replacement. But Jon and Chris somehow talked Bill into comming back to the band.
I was disappointed later on that my sister wasn't into prog rock when she was the one buying the albums. She stuck with Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Tull, Grand Funk, Cooper, etc. I'm not sure if her friends got into Genesis, Yes and the like either. I suspect after all these years, they saw Pete with Genesis on the Midnight Special and thought, "He's gayer than Bowie," which off course, he wasn't, but word of mouth never reached our household.
@yesshows100 Phil almost ended up in Yes When He heard Bill was leaving. Phil even talked to Jon about being in the band and Jon told Phil come back. Phil for what ever reason. Never showed up.
@klwewf Yea I'm addicted to the band Rush and i know it but i don't get mad when people criticize them because they have a few songs i don't like. Genesis is probably my 2nd favorite progressive band
One thing I've never quite understood is why Tony, when talking about Suppers Ready, always refers to Willow Farm as the moment where the drums come in. Err, what about the previous sections! Never mind!
@kfsfkakf You're not alone - I always found it quite unfocused & self indulgent... but the album wouldn't be the same without it. For me the most underrated part of the album is probably the 2nd half of Can Utility.
roccotool king crimson as well, they actually purchased their mellotron from Robert Fripp that Tony got all the marvellous sounds from, they all apparently loved King Crimsons debut album and wanted to emulate that kind of work. They surpassed KC imo by a mile, love KC as well though.
@daddysevenpointfiver Ya they were incredibly creative talented and intelligent for their age wen most people at that age 2day wud be getting drunk twice a week and working at a mc. donalds
Bill: "Hey Phil, maybe YOU should sing lead for Genesis!" (To which Phil likely replied, "Gee, Bill, ya THINK?" - of course, Bruford omitted Phil's response...)
@kfsfkakf Rush says it best in "The Spirit Of Radio" 'It's really just a question of your honesty".I think "Supper's Ready"sets the standard for Prog Rock many early Rush songs follow it's pattern too. Great piece IMO
The first time i saw Genesis on tv on the Midnight Special and Peter Gabriel with his "costume" i wen "oh no not another KISS" (i do not like their music and their getups) so i thought another sorry band trying to get famous with their costumes. Later on i found out how wrong i was...became a big fan of Genesis :-) Best wishes
@klwewf I think it is because i dont think anyone would try to touch that song in a bad way because people hold in such high regard. It's a good song but not a great song
Let's just forget about that little... adventure, shall we? I thought Calling All Stations had an enjoyable song or two actually. Nothing worthy of TOO much praise, but it was still clear that Mike and Tony were the composers of the music. Ray just sounded so wrong on that album, though yeah. On a couple of the longer instrumental passages it was still clearly Genesis.
@rizz7604 : I am sorry, Rizz, but it is not enough, and as punishment you must listen to ( and possibly spring the entire 99 cents for) Charles Sheinman's iconoclastic version of "The Lamb Lies Down" on iTunes. Or at least the free demo snippet. It is like a drunken gaggle of stought Irish Football players marching down the street, singing in unison, led by a rather fey Charles Sheinman, himself. Go listen. I mean it. Right now. We are watching you....
@excelerater I know that! Maybe you thought by my comment that I was suprised that Phil would go to YES because all I know is his solo career. You're wayyy off base!!!! I just thought it was cool that he did that. I have listened to Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the pound,The Lamb lies down on broadway, A trick of the Tale, Wind and wuthering, Seconds out,And then there were three, Duke 1,000 times. Plus many bootlegs. Phil is not on Trespass, but i listen to that to.
@francerulzv99 I really don´t think Gabriel is being arrogant at all. In fact, everything he said was corroborated by his band mates. But I do think that you´re a little upset with him. Does he own you money or something?
I am a HUGE early genesis fan..everything up to and includingThe Wind and Wuthering is amazing. That being said I must be the only that thinks Supper's Ready is insanely overrated. It is good yes but nowhere near most of the other musical passages...intro is great but the passages never amaze. To each their own.
this comment is 3 years old but i have to disagree with you... well, you have your opinion on this song but for me, supper's ready was my opening to Prog rock. Yeah, you can do a 22 minutes song sound like a movie. this song has a very clear beginning and a very clear end. The constant evolution of the song. For me, this was something else ( first time i heard it was like 10 years ago) it is not overrated because it was and should be the flagship song of PG Genesis era
@daddysevenpointfiver Ya they were incredibly creative talented and intelligent for their age wen most people at that age 2day wud be getting drunk twice a week and working at a mc. donalds
Imagine seeing Yes "every Wednesday" !!
Supper's Ready sends chills up my spine every time I here it.
everytime I hear it too
Vivid my god it’s such a trip to enjoy!
Yep, me too!
I don't have words to describe "Supper's Ready" - one of the greatest songs of all times.
Foxtrot, THE Masterpiece, definitely
A masterpiece, yes. But joyously, one of many more, yet to come.
Tony is great, not just to hear in Genesis but listening to him talk about the music. I really wish these guys would make music again together.
Steve Hackett is so cool!!
I had the Gabriel Foxtrot haircut for a month at secondary school. The science teacher gave me a knowing smile but no-one beat me up.
Do you mind I would of beat you up lol
I did it as well , one bit has never grown back .
That KEYBOARD solo Tony's talking about here, is one of the best key-solos in the history of mankind!!
It's funny hearing Phil talk about seeing "Yes" a lot and hearing them all talk about themselves during the "Nursery" & "Fox" period one's left with the opinion that they did realize what a Great band they were !!! : )
they're amazingly self-effacing about such an amazing piece of work.
Isn't that's funny, though? You can imagine Supper's Ready as a masterpiece that was entirely planned out on paper and crafted in complete secrecy with some huge masterplan to dominate the musical world. In reality, it was a few different songs they threw together that happened to work well together.
I wonder what it's like to listen to songs like Supper's Ready forty laters having been in the band? Or what was the recording of Close to the Edge like? Imagine having written it and being unsure of whether or not it's any good or not. Then imagine getting that amazing response (over decades).
I remember i listened Genesis albums one side at every morning, lying at my bed before going to school! It made me realize something better than the present situation i was in. It was kind of natural meditation, altough at that time i had no concept of meditation...of course. I was 15. but i think it saved my life!...It gave me a direction...
"It wasn't a real democracy, because some people were more powerful than others. The more bloody-minded of us tended to get their way more often..." (this was the "pseudo-democratic commitee system" he referred to in his "resigning" letter).
I am a stupid fangirl. Comments like this make me want to have a time machine and the ability to be a fly on the wall at their rehearsals. I feel like my curiosity about Genesis can never be satisfied; maybe the result of being so late to the party.
I saw them in 1976 and thought I was too late to the party. You cannot be a stupid fangirl if you like Genesis; without doubt one of the best bands in the world! Phil Collins went to my school & left the year I started. Peter Gabriel shared the same communal gardens for 10 years and I never saw him once, so I am resigned to simply listen to their wondrous musical legacy...
Howard Carter You're lucky to have followed them since 76! I just "discovered" them like 2 years ago =P
+Sileithel this is the beauty of their music, new fans all the time, and forever
Sileithel Tony tended to get his way more often than not, then Gabriel and last on the list would be Hackett and Collins. Contrary to what’s been said about Phil turning them into his band in the 80s Tony and Mike still had the main say, I don’t blame Phil for what came from invisible touch onwards, it was gonna happen anyway with the changing musical landscape.
Nah, we’re all curious of them. Top band. Fantastic music. And fantastic forever, songs like Suppers Ready, Watcher of the Skies, Get Them Out by Friday etc. etc. make me glad to be human.
@mothxal Not sure what interview you were listening to. I heard:
1:40 "I think we were writing better together as a group."
4:05 "Took the song to another dimension."
4:15 "Produced what was our best piece of composition.."
4:45 "I thought, 'That sounds fantastic!'"
5:00 "Incredibly strong moment"
7:29 The masks "worked really well"
7:45 "It was a great musical moment.."
10:15 "So we thought 'Ah, this is interesting'.."
Sounds pretty positive to me....
PG comes across so mellow and dare I say normal these days so it sounds so bizrarre him talking about wearing his wife's dress with a fox head like that was just a day in the office!
I wasn't even alive when he was in Genesis, but from what I gather from archival material and interviews, etc, is that he was always pretty mellow and withdrawn in private, away from the stage. Very much one of those performers who adopted a certain persona on stage.
@klwewf Supper's Ready is one of the most creative pieces of music ever written. People who don't like it don't appreciate this kind of creativity in music, PERIOD.
Foxtrot was their masterpiece!
As an Iron Maiden fan I once read that one of Steve Harris's favourite albums was Foxtrot. Even though I was a total metal-head at the time, I bought it, stuck it on and never looked back!
I like how they were able to stick a Genesis to Revelation Style track on there in the form of Time Table. Along with Horizons it creates two perfect 'intermissions' between the meatier tracks.
Yeah, definitely. I generally judge Trespass -~ W&W separately from everything that came after (although there are always elements later on that recall earlier, Duke for me is right up there overall), and on that basis I would say Foxtrot is the standout of the first era. The other PG albums are all good, of course, but just seem to not hang together as well as albums as Foxtrot, which is just such a unit of songs for which Supper's Ready is the crowning achievement, but ultimately so so because of the rest album supporting it and feeding in and out of it. Every song on there fits perfectly, but I can't honestly say that about every other album.
My only real qualm is that I often find myself wishing Firth of Fifth had been on Foxtrot, it would fit so perfectly after Can-Utility, going into Horizons and Suppers Ready. But how much perfect can you fit on a single album? :P
BirdzzZ On Day Flu yeah I also noticed that Time Table sounds like something you would hear on G2R or Trespass
Wow, Phil says wanted to bring the YES kind of musicianship into the band. He went to see YES at the Marquee every Wednesday.
Nice to hear Collins is a Yes fan.
I lost interest after 'Relayer'.
As a committed Yes fan up to 1975, I have to say I hate what they did later.
What do you mean?
Nope. Who by?
I'll listen to it if you tell me.
absolutely brilliant, remember, they were only 21-22, when they did it. out of this world.
@kfsfkakf
In 1977 I went to see Genesis with people who said the same thing. In fact they thought the band was overrated and Supper's Ready was no big deal. 30+ years later they are still devastated by that show and Supper's Ready. Those people have been apologizing for 30+ years and after 100's of shows only YES, 1971 -1979 was equal or better. I can only imagine what they would have thought if it was the 1973 show with Peter on vocals instead of Phil.
I don't know, I think the legend is there regardless.
@mothxal
It seems to me as though all the members of the band express both their enthusiasm and their misgivings in equal measure, which is what makes the interviews - and the individuals giving them - interesting.
@@malcolmgerald Nothing wrong with being pragmatic and measured. Rather that than over-the-top hubris. Remember, 'hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way'...
thats awesome phil is a fan of Yes
@DaddyDrummer007
This what I saw on a Yes website. Sometime in August or September 1968 Bruford quits Yes to study economics at Leeds University, shocking the band, who recruits Tony O'Riley, formerly of the Koobas. For about a week a drummer named Dave Potts also rehearsed with them.
I'd forgotten what a great album this is
When i saw Genesis for the first time on the Midnight Special my first thougt was "oh no! not another KISS..I hated kiss..I thought another band trying to get famous by using costumes..So i changed the channel at the beggining of the song "watcher of the skies"
But later on i foud out how wrong i was..Have been a fan since.
Best wishes
Best album ever. This is my opinion. Don't reply.
Reply. Your right though
Don't worry. There's no reply at all.
I do what I want
@@YoItsEvanAdams I can respect that
Fuck you, I'll do what I want.
Full agreement!
I still think they could do it, generally creative and artistic ability gets better with age, scientific ability decreases. As far as Phil being in retirement, well that's up for grabs. He would just need to come back out of retirement. I mean, everyone including myself in 1996 thought he was done with Genesis for good, and then he came back and did a tour with them in 2007. I guess what I'm saying is never say never. You're right about his back problem, but he could still sing.
Me too 👍🏽
thanx :D
@yesshows100 The vibe i got from Phil it was 68. I might be wrong but i think it was in 68. I think Bill was going to College and Yes needed a replacement. But Jon and Chris somehow talked Bill into comming back to the band.
Pete in a red dress! What shocker!
Jesus, I miss those times. (Which is like until... 2010)
I'm glad Peter just did the dress and fox head regardless of the bands opinion, it was just a great weird idea.
I was disappointed later on that my sister wasn't into prog rock when she was the one buying the albums. She stuck with Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Tull, Grand Funk, Cooper, etc. I'm not sure if her friends got into Genesis, Yes and the like either. I suspect after all these years, they saw Pete with Genesis on the Midnight Special and thought, "He's gayer than Bowie," which off course, he wasn't, but word of mouth never reached our household.
twas a great album
nice!
@yesshows100 Phil almost ended up in Yes When He heard Bill was leaving. Phil even talked to Jon about being in the band and Jon told Phil come back. Phil for what ever reason. Never showed up.
Suppers Ready = Pure Genius
@klwewf Yea I'm addicted to the band Rush and i know it but i don't get mad when people criticize them because they have a few songs i don't like. Genesis is probably my 2nd favorite progressive band
A legendary British prog album in my opinion.
@ninthtf all the albums are uploaded in edited form.
@MikeyRB77 they are from the boxsets. they are edited down here.
I fucking love Peter
One thing I've never quite understood is why Tony, when talking about Suppers Ready, always refers to Willow Farm as the moment where the drums come in. Err, what about the previous sections! Never mind!
@kfsfkakf You're not alone - I always found it quite unfocused & self indulgent... but the album wouldn't be the same without it. For me the most underrated part of the album is probably the 2nd half of Can Utility.
So Genesis was influenced by Yes. That's something I never expected.
roccotool king crimson as well, they actually purchased their mellotron from Robert Fripp that Tony got all the marvellous sounds from, they all apparently loved King Crimsons debut album and wanted to emulate that kind of work. They surpassed KC imo by a mile, love KC as well though.
@daddysevenpointfiver Ya they were incredibly creative talented and intelligent for their age wen most people at that age 2day wud be getting drunk twice a week and working at a mc. donalds
The New Jerusalem code is the single greatest piece Genesis ever recorded
@mgholb47 Thanks for putting us all straight on this, mghoib ( does your name stand for Midget Gone Hinky On Insane Bongo's?)
Bill: "Hey Phil, maybe YOU should sing lead for Genesis!"
(To which Phil likely replied, "Gee, Bill, ya THINK?" - of course, Bruford omitted Phil's response...)
@kfsfkakf Rush says it best in "The Spirit Of Radio" 'It's really just a question of your honesty".I think "Supper's Ready"sets the standard for Prog Rock many early Rush songs follow it's pattern too. Great piece IMO
The first time i saw Genesis on tv on the Midnight Special and Peter Gabriel with his "costume" i wen "oh no not another KISS" (i do not like their music and their getups) so i thought another sorry band trying to get famous with their costumes.
Later on i found out how wrong i was...became a big fan of Genesis :-)
Best wishes
@mgholb47
Out of curiousity, what do you like?
10 minutes of Genesis talking about Supper's Ready, still isn't as long as Supper's Ready.
"... he just..suddenly... said... A FLOWER! and stuck this thing on his face"
Interesting, I've never heard off that. where you got it ?
Is there any footage of PG in the fox/ red dress outfit?
@markboccaccio I wanna say "mixed brass", or some kind of brass sound. Sorry if that's not specific enough to help ya!
@klwewf I think it is because i dont think anyone would try to touch that song in a bad way because people hold in such high regard. It's a good song but not a great song
what Boxsets are you talking about? where is that stuff from? all i know is the archives, and they are only audio??!!!
Do any keyboard players know what mellotron sound is in "Willow Farm"?
What's this documentary called?
Too bad Hackett's playing on this album isn't pointed out here. It was even better than what he did on Nursery Cryme and that was outstanding.
Let's just forget about that little... adventure, shall we? I thought Calling All Stations had an enjoyable song or two actually. Nothing worthy of TOO much praise, but it was still clear that Mike and Tony were the composers of the music. Ray just sounded so wrong on that album, though yeah. On a couple of the longer instrumental passages it was still clearly Genesis.
@rizz7604 : I am sorry, Rizz, but it is not enough, and as punishment you must listen to ( and possibly spring the entire 99 cents for) Charles Sheinman's iconoclastic version of "The Lamb Lies Down" on iTunes. Or at least the free demo snippet. It is like a drunken gaggle of stought Irish Football players marching down the street, singing in unison, led by a rather fey Charles Sheinman, himself. Go listen. I mean it. Right now. We are watching you....
Why no Get em Out?? :(
@excelerater
I know that! Maybe you thought by my comment that I was suprised that Phil would go to YES because all I know is his solo career. You're wayyy off base!!!! I just thought it was cool that he did that. I have listened to Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the pound,The Lamb lies down on broadway, A trick of the Tale, Wind and wuthering, Seconds out,And then there were three, Duke 1,000 times. Plus many bootlegs. Phil is not on Trespass, but i listen to that to.
4:29 lmao
@klwewf Yes i know that but every time i try to tell people i dont care for Supper's Ready they get pissed and it pisses me off
Qua-ansa-logi-wan
It's ok....how does one describe the SUBLIME?
I wonder who Peter was talking about 9:47
;)
Join The Progress mr Banks lol
I have the ability to understand what they all say wscot
@klwewf but the fans take them too seriously
fuck it iam just gonna do it!
haha 'Front page - good'
@francerulzv99 I really don´t think Gabriel is being arrogant at all. In fact, everything he said was corroborated by his band mates. But I do think that you´re a little upset with him. Does he own you money or something?
tonionionionio
when was this interview looks 90s
Grigori Rasputin1990 2007 reissues interviews for the box sets they brought out.
phil was asked to YES by jon anderson...phil said no.
I am a HUGE early genesis fan..everything up to and includingThe Wind and Wuthering is amazing. That being said I must be the only that thinks Supper's Ready is insanely overrated. It is good yes but nowhere near most of the other musical passages...intro is great but the passages never amaze. To each their own.
this comment is 3 years old but i have to disagree with you... well, you have your opinion on this song but for me, supper's ready was my opening to Prog rock. Yeah, you can do a 22 minutes song sound like a movie. this song has a very clear beginning and a very clear end. The constant evolution of the song. For me, this was something else ( first time i heard it was like 10 years ago) it is not overrated because it was and should be the flagship song of PG Genesis era
Lol
Maybe because you're sad.......
See Bill Buford, It is possible to be a phenomenal drummer like Mr. Collins and not be a giant chaude
Bruford is most often quite overrated by Bruford himself.
I feel no one else has the balls to say it so i will. IMO Supper's Ready is overrated
Rubbish man!
Not as good as SEBTP
Bruford is overrated.
overrated album tho
@daddysevenpointfiver Ya they were incredibly creative talented and intelligent for their age wen most people at that age 2day wud be getting drunk twice a week and working at a mc. donalds