Beretta is stepping up their game...the 80x, the 92xi (to name a few). Didn't have to reinvent the wheel, just listen to customers and improve on classics. If only Glock could do this!
I know it’s an anemic caliber.. but it would be cool if 25acp and 32acp were brought back to mainstream market and repopularized again with these pistols. I own an old .22lr and a Taurus clone of the 25acp. Fun guns for sure.
I still see a chunk of 32 around fairly regularly but 25 auto now that's one you don't see much and yeas I agree I'd love to see that cartridge come back around and see how hard it can be pushed with modern technology and material development.
There's no reason they can't drastically improve the ballistics of 25 and 32 the way they did 380. I'm weird in that I would much rather carry low recoil, low capacity, super easy to conceal smaller guns than even the micro compacts. Hell, even micros in 32 would be sick
My Bobcat has been one of the most reliable 22 pistols I've ever shot, I absolutely love that thing. Really excited to see they are expanding on that platform and having fun with it! Fingers crossed for a 20X!
When I saw the red dot mount that totally block the bullet insert I laughed out loud. Thought it was great humor...then I saw that they actually did it! 😆
I'm just not sure if these smaller cat guns were really ready for a reboot, but each change is good. Moving the mag release is great, and having standardized THIN wood grips will hopefully make holster options easier, esp. as these aren't true pocket guns. These guns were updated back in the day to make them wider to avoid the frame cracking issue, which still didn't work. These ones seem to still be the wide model "fat cats", right James? I would love a clear answer on whether being "twice as durable" includes improve frame durability with all ammo. And one obvious thing, how about an extractor!!! That's the real reason I didn't buy a tomcat this Christmas, even with the nice rebate they were doing. You can have the most concealable gun in the world but no one wants to have to carry a ramrod to clear a stuck case for a CC gun. I'd love to see a Kel-Tec P32 with a manual safety, but the wood grips are just such a nice niche for Beretta to fill on pocket guns, j-frames are still quite bigger than a Tomcat iirc.
The P32 has a pretty long, heavy DA trigger pull. I pocket carry mine with a trigger guard instead of a holster. 7 plus 1, very light at 6.6 oz, and 100% reliable so far. Great back-up piece. Lack of a safety isn’t an issue IMO.
@palmereldritch1974 Blowback guns like this will launch the casing out of the chamber even without an extractor and with Berettas open slide design it ejects perfectly fine. The reason we still want an extractor is for keeping malfunction drills the same across all our pistols. When you have a bad round in the chamber on these, racking the slide doesn't pull the round out of the chamber.
Think about it….you can’t have a tip up barrel AND an extractor on the slide. If you want a small 32 with an extractor grab a Keltec or a Seecamp or NAA. If you want a tip up barrel get a Beretta.
We are speacking of Italian quality here.. the Turkish low quality Is mirrored also in their lack of innovation: they just try to imitate Beretta each year.
I really like where they're going with this. Hopefully they'll consider doing the same treatment to the 21a line. I've always wanted a bobcat with a nicer "match" barrel and adjustable sights.
It's obviously better than the 3032 because it has functional sights. The 3032 had crappy low-profile mousegun sights thay couldn't be removed or replaced and were basically meant to be ignored. Suppressor-height sights and even optics make sense for this gun if you believe in aiming your weapon at your target. The best option for the 3032 was aftermarket laser grips. Langdon Tactical announced a 3032 with a red dot mount about a week ago. I wanted one until I saw this (and they'll probably switch to a 30X LTT right away). Earlier 3032s had a notorious issue with the frame cracking. That was apparently fixed in later produced models, but the 3032 retained a reputation for low durability. That Beretta continued to demanded users use low-power .32 ACP ammunition to ensure reliability did not inspire confidence. On paper, the Kel-Tec P-32 is a superior carry gun in every way. It is much lighter and thinner, less expensive, and despite it's weaker materials and lower build quality it can handle more powerful .32 ACP ammo (readily available and normal among European manufacturers), which is very useful to wring more power from this little pistol in a self-defense situation. But the 3032 Tomcat had it's niche: it was a larger, more robust gun that was more fun to shoot. It's interesting that Beretta has chosen to keep the pistol in it's niche. The sales rep had nothing to say about reducing weight. I didn't notice giant hand-filling wood grips, but this is still like a Sig P365-380 or Ruger Security .380 or S&W 380-EZ: not the smallest and lightest .380s, but better shooters than the smaller guns like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P3AT and still small enough to carry. For some people, the P-32 is too small. Or they want to have more fun at the range with their little pocket pistol and so they want something more customizable and better feeling and less like a utilitarian piece of cheap plastic. Maybe they're still waiting on the Kel-Tec P-32 LTT. The 30X will be only .32 worth carrying if you don't want a Kel-Tec. And while it's probably at least 50% thicker and heavier, it's still a tiny gun and is a more capable weapon. All the .32s on the market are dated (where are the double-stack mouseguns?), and I'm really happy to see one of the best manufacturers engineering a new superior .32 pistol. I am a great believer in .32s. i don't want a .380 in a pistol this small and light. .32 ACP has double the energy of .22LR and .25ACP. Commonplace FMJ .32 rounds are capable of deep penetration, and there are now good high-end defensive rounds available (like Underwood). I'm excited. I want one. The ultimate in deep concealment weaponry is still the P-32, but that's not what the 30X tries to be. It's trying to be a much better gun that's a lot more fun at the range. Something good to shoot, not just to carry. And still smaller than a J-frame revolver (which continues to be relevant as still significantly more reliable than any semi-auto of this size). So the 30X is a superior 3032. More durable, reliable, and it has superior and removable sights that offer a quick sight picture. Extended mags, threaded barrels, and maybe even muzzle breaks available. This would be a fun gun for competitions. It will be a great backup gun option, one of the very best ever. What's not to like? Beretta has worked to improve their products. Their tip-up barrel pistols remain popular and commonly used for both recreational shooting and self-defense. Now they made better versions. At least, that's the claim. But O believe Beretta can pull it off. Good job, Beretta. I hope to buy one of these pistols if they're as good as I hope they are.
Double-stack .32? Beretta and CZ both made those in the 1980's. I think the Beretta was the Model 83, and the CZ was the CZ 84 (?). Beretta 82 Target .22 83 .32 84 .380 85 single-stack .380 86 pop-up barrel, single-stack .380 CZ 82 9×18 Makarov CZ 83 9×17 Kurz CZ-84 (or maybe it was 81?) 7,65 Kurz
I love Berettas for their aesthetic and history, but I wonder if the commitment to the legacy open-top slide design is holding back some of these reimagined guns. The 30, 80, and 90 series guns all have slide widths that are massively thicker than any competitor's, and as a non-engineer I wonder if that's required for strength because the slide lacks structure across the open top. There is absolutely no other reason a single-stack 380 like the 80 series should be so thick, or why a 32 like the 30 series should be so massively chunky. I still love these guns, but I wish there were a way for Beretta to deploy some more modern engineering or metallurgy/materials science to retain the same iconic open-top design while slimming down these legacy designs.
@@its_cleani think Is more for add more balance & weight (a compromise for this iconic slide without the full covered lenght you're speacking about) maybe also design choice to enhance the "steps" from barrel to slide. One thing Is sure: it's not for a quality issue. Beretta, as every other italian gun, are on the peak as inventive, engeneering and quality..
@creepingiron I’ve owned 3 LCP, 2x LCP 1 “custom” and a LCP 2, none of them were very reliable. Ruger definitely copied their P3AT to make the LCP 1. My P32 which is essentially the P3AT has been perfect and I carry it very often because I wear scrubs and it is so damn light. They are cheap guns with terrible sights, you should buy one and try it, they are great.
Underwood makes a decent self defense round in .32 and I’ve got a few of the tactical pistols suppressed already so other than the optic mount, I’m not sure I’m in for these. Almost pulled the trigger on the FDE model Ernie Langdon jazzed up with optic and trigger job on Black Friday which would’ve been around $650.
Glad to see .32 acp go on. It's a superior cartridge in a blow-back pistol than .380. I've had and fired 3032's. Not very reliable and frames and slides crack. Did they fix that?
The 32 ACP is actually a decent last ditch caliber which outperforms 22LR. 22 Mag, and 25 ACP when all are fired in short 2-3'' barrels lengths. However, the best upgrade for this design would be to find a way to have it chambered in 380 ACP without making it appreciably larger
The barrel looks thicker so at first I thought this is a .380 version. 32 ACP is 8mm 380 9mm so actually the gun wouldnt have to be significant bigger. Its just a half mm on each side.
You think that's what you want, but you really don't. A 380 in this size would be miserable to shoot. I've had Seecamps in both 380 and 32, and while the 32 is still a little spicy, it's acceptable. The 380 is completely unshootable and was the first gun I ever regretted buying and quickly sold.
I have had the bobcat for about 8 years, really enjoying it. It’s in my pocket much of the time. Now I’m really interested in the new 30X. Time for another trip to the store
My Questions: Did they redesign the frame so it doesn't crack under regular usage? What does "double the durability" mean? Can it handle a steady diet of +P without self destructing? What about the 21A? Is it being updated? Question that almost certainly won't be answered: Will we see an 86X (AKA Tip up 80X series pistol) in the near future? Girsan has the new .380 ACP tip up market cornered at the moment and sadly they don't sell a threaded barrel variant in the US (probably due to import laws)
Asking the right questions 👍 I'm most eager for a reimagined 86, I really need a tip-up defensive pistol for my mom but she's a fancy Louis Vuitton lady and I just can't see her being satisfied with a Girsan. A new 86 from Beretta is just what she needs.
@@its_clean Check out the MC 14T Lady variant. Factory ported, black gloss finish, wood grips, gold plated safety, trigger, barrel tip up lever, barrel tip up pin, hammer, grip screws, etc. I think she would appreciate its looks.
@@MrLM002 Eh it's less an issue of making it look pretty, I could send any gun out for cerakote and DLC and gold electroplating or whatever if my mom wanted it. It's more a kneejerk brand snobbery thing. She's heard of Beretta, the fancy Italian brand that makes iconic military weapons and expensive heirloom shotguns. Goes nice with her Italian handbags and designer shoes. But Girsan, the Turkish manufacturer that makes clones of other designs? Not really her speed. For someone who is used to luxury and specifically not concerned with value, Beretta works where Girsan doesn't. Shrug.
Beretta MUST redesign the Pico for 30 Supper Carry. Just increase the magazine to accept the longer cartridge overall length. Keep the restrike feature. Add capacity to 8 standard and +2 extended magazine. Don't increase the gun width. 3.25" barrel length. Slick sights machined in slide. Perfect pocket pistol.
You understand the 30 super carry generates three times the pressure of a 380 right? You would kaboom that gun, can't put 30 super carry in anything smaller than a 9mm frame
Greetings. I am very familiar with the difference in chamber pressure. 380 ACP is 21k and 30SC is 50k. The case diameter of 380 ACP is .374" and the case diameter of the 30 SC is .342" So the difference could be added to the chamber and barrel wall thickness. The Pico is rated at +P from Beretta even though there is no +P SAAMI cartridge for 380ACP like there is for 9mm. Underwood Ammo makes a 380 ACP +P round that generates 296 ft-lbs which is just shy of the 347 for 30 SC. The Pico has a width of .7" and the Nano has a width of .9" and it fires 9mm Luger with a case diameter of .391". The PICO is hard to grip. Increasing the purchase of the grip for the longer 30 SC would make more ergonomic. The PICO grip is too short as well. Single stack of 8 rounds of the smaller diameter but longer 30 SC would greatly improved ergonomics. An extended +2 magazine would be useful as a home defense option and still satisfy the Commie-forniacs. No one makes this optimized pocket pistol in 30 SC which is an untapped market. A blend of the Pico and Nano with a .8" width, 8 round flush fit magazine and 3.25" barrel chambered in 30SC is what I envision for an ideal pocket carry. Screw a bunch of holsters. The PICO restrike feature is a must have feature. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Super_Carry en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Pico underwoodammo.com/380-acp-p-65-grain-xtreme-defender/ www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-beretta-pico/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Nano @@crazyirishmedic9535
@@keithal1478 But its 32acp not 380 acp also you need a much stronger delay than just blow back for 3 times the pressure. Thats why there is no 9mm blow back.
Greetings. I realize this pistol is 32 ACP. I would rather carry hot Aguila 22LR than 32 or 25 ACP. If Beretta will spend this kind of money and engineering (essentially a new gun) updating a useless caliber MAYBE they would spend the same money on make a hybrid blend of the Pico and Nano in 30 SC for a real pocket pistol in a real caliber to meet a real need that no one is addressing. There are A LOT of people who pocket carry 38 spl 2.5" barrel, 5 shot revolvers. There are people like me who want to pocket carry something thin and modern. I am not interesting in holsters AT ALL ... not IWB, OWB Appendix or whatever. Heck if Beretta or someone would provide a pair of new blue jeans with 1" wider pockets with each new gun purchase, set up for holding a pocket sleeve and easier draw .... The market would go off like the P365 did several years ago. I hope Reeves or TFB someone reads these comments and tells Beretta to WTF up for the opportunity. Thanks for writing. @@Gieszkanne
I like my 21a covert. It's a great gun but now I'm wondering if they can do the same engineering changes to make a 20X series. I might be asking so I can have a dot on my 21a or at least a Get Home Bag version of the 21a
Nah, those sorts of preppers “don’t want to be on any lists” and refuse to buy suppressors. Though I suppose some of them get threaded barrels because when “it” comes, they’ll just make their oil filter nonsense or some such
@@timunderbakke8756 they don't want to be on any lists, but half of them own property - registered as such, and the others are registered tenants of a property. Preppers are just a corner of a market, a group of nutters to sell stuff to. It's why the sales representative even mentions them
Great stuff! How about a 4 inch barrel? In the "Handgun Stopping Power " books from years ago, the 32ACP ball ammo had the same 50% stopping power rate as the 380ACP ball and the 2 inch 38 Special 2 inch revolver with 158 gr standard LRN ammo. The Winchester 32ACP Silvertip load upped it to a 60% loading.
Nice. Now I know why I was able to by my Tomcat a few months ago for $250. So happy I was able to pick 1 up before discontinued at such a great price. Hopefully several of the upgraded features will also work with the older models.
The main reason why I didn't buy one of these for pocket carry before was that they had ammo muzzle velocity contraints that ruled out almost all 32 ACP self-defense ammo. Violating the constraints resulted in cracked frames. I am curious to hear if there will be any ammo limitations. If not, I'm a buy.
My grandpas two carry guns were a S&W Jframe (that I know have) and a Beretta .32 tomcat (that I don’t have) will be getting one in stainless with wood grip, threaded barrel and red dot
My question is, do the new magazines have ANY sort of compatibility with the older model Tomcats? Or do those of us who own them need to stock up on the old magazines before they disappear from the market?
Hopefully they have re-engineered the metallurgy so the frames won't crack.. In the current model you were limited as to the foot pounds of energy in 32acp you used
Agreed. I had one that wouldn’t run foot pound limited ammo. Had to use a hotter load for the thing to cycle. You can guess what happened to the frame. Really disappointed because I truly enjoyed the pistol when it ran.
Wish they would fix the slide bite on these, had a friend go to the hospital for stitches because the slide bite his hand so bad, tore his hand open, I was a dealer and could not sell these because of that safety issue, I would love to own one but I am a handgun instructor and have a very high grip which is a correct grip and these guns just bite the crap out of your hand unless you ride low on the grip, too much risk to shoot, such a bummer, please let beretta know the issue, I am sure they know about it somewhat. Great vid always good content, keep it up. I am the original owner of Kona Guns and ammo on the big island of Hawaii, largest inventory on island.
I’ve got a Bobcat suppressed now I have to get an updated Tomcat! I love the 21A. It’s cranky, unreliable but fun. It’s the moped of guns. I’ll definitely buy one of these when they ship lol. I wonder if a Holosun will mount?
Does it still have that super low and super sharp slide? That gives you a stitches worthy wound on the back of your hand every time you pull the trigger?
I have the Bobcat and seriously wanted to get the Tomcat until I read it has issues with the frame cracking after 200-300 rounds. I ended up buying the Sig 365, great gun. However, if this new 30X has resolved the frame cracking issue, this is the PERFECT pocket pistol IMHO.
I did not read through all the comments but I hope that Beretta addressed the FTF and FTE issues with the Tomcat .32acp. My Tomcat is still only fair in terms of reliability. It is very ammo picky, and I still get failures to eject even after 200 plus rounds through it. And I keep it clean and lubed. This was to be my wife's purse gun because she has limited hand strength, but I can't trust it to work for her if/when she needed it.
I have the 21A covert and although reliability is questionable in .22 it is still incredibly fun and tiny, its a toy for sure but with how cheap it is and how quiet it is supressed its hard to hold anything against it. Looks like i might have to get their new ones...
Well I love it the same as I love the 3032 but it doesn't adress the biggest issues! I would have picked up a Tomcat during the rebate, what held me away was the terrible slide and hammer bite. The same old lack of extractor complaint is still there too.
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*gun exists that’ll conceal in women’s medium sized shorts*
James: “Shut up & take my money!”
That’s hilarious lmao
im also james in this scenario lol
And a thong if you're THICC enough
Well done sir!!!
It says beretta on it, James is getting it regardless if it fits in his shorts.
Im glad the folks at Beretta have a sense of humor. The muzzle break and optic are filled with whimsy!
I agree. Many manufactures are do cool things, but can way too serious at the same time. Keep the goofy stuff coming.
*brake
It’s funny. The optic blocks the easy loading barrel.
@bracoop2 near the beginning of the video you can see it open with the sight on it.
"It's so stupid." - Nico, describing his own product. I love it and I want one
It’s that time of year again boyos. Lunchtime just got a whole lot better.
Who eats lunch at 1am🤣
@@poip202to be fair, they put out so many videos every year, we will all have plenty of stuff to watch at lunch
Toilet time*
@@poip202 I do 😂😂😂 Night Crue. in the cool of the morning that's when I'm coming home, STAYED AWAKE ALL NIGHT. 😂😂😂
Look awake in front of the boss time
Beretta is stepping up their game...the 80x, the 92xi (to name a few). Didn't have to reinvent the wheel, just listen to customers and improve on classics. If only Glock could do this!
if they were stepping up their game, they would have made it double stack. theres no point to this redesign
@@maximusjoseppi5904That's the next redesign. Gotta leave something to keep them coming back.
Beretta APX line as well
Glock makes an MOS model too. Maybe no threaded barrel but it’s illegal in the biggest markets anyways
The 80x sucked.
It has more recoil than a 9mm, while being the size of one. And a terribly designed beaver tail.
The Tomcat with a red dot is adorable ☺️ hopefully .32ACP will get more popular now.
I dont think so.
32 is stupid expensive now. I don’t see it changing.
@@banacek8675 Its no more expensive than .380 or .40 S&W.
I'd prefer 30 super carry
@@backcountrywarfighter9472 30SC is a total different animal. It has more pressure than 9mm +p+ and the same recoil as 9mm.
The boys having fun model needs to be the standard😂😂
I know it’s an anemic caliber.. but it would be cool if 25acp and 32acp were brought back to mainstream market and repopularized again with these pistols. I own an old .22lr and a Taurus clone of the 25acp. Fun guns for sure.
I still see a chunk of 32 around fairly regularly but 25 auto now that's one you don't see much and yeas I agree I'd love to see that cartridge come back around and see how hard it can be pushed with modern technology and material development.
CZ83 in 32 are sometimes available. Excellent gun in 380 and 32 with over 12 rounds
Too costly and not worth the investment.
I just dont get it
I agree, my pocket carry a colt jr
There's no reason they can't drastically improve the ballistics of 25 and 32 the way they did 380. I'm weird in that I would much rather carry low recoil, low capacity, super easy to conceal smaller guns than even the micro compacts. Hell, even micros in 32 would be sick
A reissue of the Beretta Model 71 in .22lr would be nice.
Threaded and with suppressor hight sights pl3as3
And the Model 70 in .380
This
Ah, so thats why there was a $150 rebate on the old model last year
I literally just scooped the bobcat covert with walnut grips.. Shouldve waited! Doh..
Makes sense now. Almost bought the 32 ACP model.
me too!@@ScottyBennitone
@@donmiller8152 replaceable sights wouldve been nice:(
I didn't snap one up for my remtal inventory because I thought they were discontinuing the series altogether regretting that now
My Bobcat has been one of the most reliable 22 pistols I've ever shot, I absolutely love that thing. Really excited to see they are expanding on that platform and having fun with it! Fingers crossed for a 20X!
Tacticool mouse gun 😂
The future is awesome 😂 weird, yet awesome
One of the best firearms I had was a Beretta 45ACP Cougar. I used it in IDPA and USPSA tournaments and it always performed well.
These are superb little CCW's.
The gun doesnt need fancy features when it is that concealable.
This is truly fun for Beretta nerds. Thank you James and Pietro!!
They are absolutely adorable. Love these wooden grips, really classy things!
I dont how someone has an italian and southern accent at the same time but this man does and im here for it
I really, really want that one with the muzzle brake and extended magazine. Man I hope they offer that one in the line-up!
Absolutely love this. Only gripe with my threaded tomcat I had was the sights. Now that we can get “actual” sights, I will be buying another.
When I saw the red dot mount that totally block the bullet insert I laughed out loud. Thought it was great humor...then I saw that they actually did it! 😆
I like the idea of a model with a slide lock for a suppressor. It’d be a neat piece.
Right, because you're a super secret assassin who needs zero noise signature
@chrism4008 alright fun police, calm down
I think the aftermarket makes that already
@@chrism4008 More so for retaining brass because reloading is neat, but sure.
With no extractor? Pain.
I'm just not sure if these smaller cat guns were really ready for a reboot, but each change is good. Moving the mag release is great, and having standardized THIN wood grips will hopefully make holster options easier, esp. as these aren't true pocket guns. These guns were updated back in the day to make them wider to avoid the frame cracking issue, which still didn't work. These ones seem to still be the wide model "fat cats", right James? I would love a clear answer on whether being "twice as durable" includes improve frame durability with all ammo. And one obvious thing, how about an extractor!!! That's the real reason I didn't buy a tomcat this Christmas, even with the nice rebate they were doing. You can have the most concealable gun in the world but no one wants to have to carry a ramrod to clear a stuck case for a CC gun. I'd love to see a Kel-Tec P32 with a manual safety, but the wood grips are just such a nice niche for Beretta to fill on pocket guns, j-frames are still quite bigger than a Tomcat iirc.
The P32 has a pretty long, heavy DA trigger pull. I pocket carry mine with a trigger guard instead of a holster. 7 plus 1, very light at 6.6 oz, and 100% reliable so far. Great back-up piece. Lack of a safety isn’t an issue IMO.
How does the gun extract the cartridge without an extractor?
@palmereldritch1974 Blowback guns like this will launch the casing out of the chamber even without an extractor and with Berettas open slide design it ejects perfectly fine. The reason we still want an extractor is for keeping malfunction drills the same across all our pistols. When you have a bad round in the chamber on these, racking the slide doesn't pull the round out of the chamber.
Think about it….you can’t have a tip up barrel AND an extractor on the slide. If you want a small 32 with an extractor grab a Keltec or a Seecamp or NAA. If you want a tip up barrel get a Beretta.
@@LifeisGood762That to me seems to disqualify these as serious self-defense guns as if the 32 caliber didn't already.
2:28 Technically, Girsan also makes a handful of tip-up barrel designs that can also be shot without racking the slide...
But they are just beretta clones like Taurus does
We are speacking of Italian quality here.. the Turkish low quality Is mirrored also in their lack of innovation: they just try to imitate Beretta each year.
@@ElderSwamp You say that but they're the only people who could be assed to innovate on the hi power, not even FN did that
I really like where they're going with this. Hopefully they'll consider doing the same treatment to the 21a line. I've always wanted a bobcat with a nicer "match" barrel and adjustable sights.
It's obviously better than the 3032 because it has functional sights. The 3032 had crappy low-profile mousegun sights thay couldn't be removed or replaced and were basically meant to be ignored. Suppressor-height sights and even optics make sense for this gun if you believe in aiming your weapon at your target. The best option for the 3032 was aftermarket laser grips.
Langdon Tactical announced a 3032 with a red dot mount about a week ago. I wanted one until I saw this (and they'll probably switch to a 30X LTT right away).
Earlier 3032s had a notorious issue with the frame cracking. That was apparently fixed in later produced models, but the 3032 retained a reputation for low durability. That Beretta continued to demanded users use low-power .32 ACP ammunition to ensure reliability did not inspire confidence.
On paper, the Kel-Tec P-32 is a superior carry gun in every way. It is much lighter and thinner, less expensive, and despite it's weaker materials and lower build quality it can handle more powerful .32 ACP ammo (readily available and normal among European manufacturers), which is very useful to wring more power from this little pistol in a self-defense situation. But the 3032 Tomcat had it's niche: it was a larger, more robust gun that was more fun to shoot.
It's interesting that Beretta has chosen to keep the pistol in it's niche. The sales rep had nothing to say about reducing weight. I didn't notice giant hand-filling wood grips, but this is still like a Sig P365-380 or Ruger Security .380 or S&W 380-EZ: not the smallest and lightest .380s, but better shooters than the smaller guns like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P3AT and still small enough to carry. For some people, the P-32 is too small. Or they want to have more fun at the range with their little pocket pistol and so they want something more customizable and better feeling and less like a utilitarian piece of cheap plastic. Maybe they're still waiting on the Kel-Tec P-32 LTT.
The 30X will be only .32 worth carrying if you don't want a Kel-Tec. And while it's probably at least 50% thicker and heavier, it's still a tiny gun and is a more capable weapon. All the .32s on the market are dated (where are the double-stack mouseguns?), and I'm really happy to see one of the best manufacturers engineering a new superior .32 pistol. I am a great believer in .32s. i don't want a .380 in a pistol this small and light. .32 ACP has double the energy of .22LR and .25ACP. Commonplace FMJ .32 rounds are capable of deep penetration, and there are now good high-end defensive rounds available (like Underwood).
I'm excited. I want one. The ultimate in deep concealment weaponry is still the P-32, but that's not what the 30X tries to be. It's trying to be a much better gun that's a lot more fun at the range. Something good to shoot, not just to carry. And still smaller than a J-frame revolver (which continues to be relevant as still significantly more reliable than any semi-auto of this size).
So the 30X is a superior 3032. More durable, reliable, and it has superior and removable sights that offer a quick sight picture. Extended mags, threaded barrels, and maybe even muzzle breaks available. This would be a fun gun for competitions. It will be a great backup gun option, one of the very best ever. What's not to like? Beretta has worked to improve their products. Their tip-up barrel pistols remain popular and commonly used for both recreational shooting and self-defense. Now they made better versions. At least, that's the claim. But O believe Beretta can pull it off. Good job, Beretta. I hope to buy one of these pistols if they're as good as I hope they are.
Double-stack .32? Beretta and CZ both made those in the 1980's. I think the Beretta was the Model 83, and the CZ was the CZ 84 (?).
Beretta 82 Target .22
83 .32
84 .380
85 single-stack .380
86 pop-up barrel, single-stack .380
CZ 82 9×18 Makarov
CZ 83 9×17 Kurz
CZ-84 (or maybe it was 81?) 7,65 Kurz
I legit feel like I just read a full on article 😂😊🎉
I love Berettas for their aesthetic and history, but I wonder if the commitment to the legacy open-top slide design is holding back some of these reimagined guns. The 30, 80, and 90 series guns all have slide widths that are massively thicker than any competitor's, and as a non-engineer I wonder if that's required for strength because the slide lacks structure across the open top. There is absolutely no other reason a single-stack 380 like the 80 series should be so thick, or why a 32 like the 30 series should be so massively chunky. I still love these guns, but I wish there were a way for Beretta to deploy some more modern engineering or metallurgy/materials science to retain the same iconic open-top design while slimming down these legacy designs.
how far away are you shooting a gun like this that you need prlptsights?
@@its_cleani think Is more for add more balance & weight (a compromise for this iconic slide without the full covered lenght you're speacking about) maybe also design choice to enhance the "steps" from barrel to slide.
One thing Is sure: it's not for a quality issue. Beretta, as every other italian gun, are on the peak as inventive, engeneering and quality..
That's actually a good idea. Update the tomcats and the 22lr version too.
If Ruger won't release the LCP in 32, I guess Beretta will keep the niché market share that my weird little mind longs for.
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Kel-Tec would beg to differ.
@@WALTERBROADDUS I mean...yeah, I guess? But I want a Ruger 32.
@@CREEPINGIRON which they ripped off from Kel-Tec in the first place.
@@WALTERBROADDUS okie dokies, shakka brah.
@creepingiron I’ve owned 3 LCP, 2x LCP 1 “custom” and a LCP 2, none of them were very reliable. Ruger definitely copied their P3AT to make the LCP 1. My P32 which is essentially the P3AT has been perfect and I carry it very often because I wear scrubs and it is so damn light. They are cheap guns with terrible sights, you should buy one and try it, they are great.
Underwood makes a decent self defense round in .32 and I’ve got a few of the tactical pistols suppressed already so other than the optic mount, I’m not sure I’m in for these. Almost pulled the trigger on the FDE model Ernie Langdon jazzed up with optic and trigger job on Black Friday which would’ve been around $650.
Glad to see .32 acp go on. It's a superior cartridge in a blow-back pistol than .380.
I've had and fired 3032's. Not very reliable and frames and slides crack. Did they fix that?
I’m glad I picked two up recently. 599 is gonna be crazy. I wonder if the mags will be cross compatible.
Probs not, if they changed the location of the mag release.
Maybe if you cut a new mag catch
What am I missing? The guns cost $600 as it is
@@Stinkfoot1403They were on sale the whole last year for around $400 online. Then an additional $150 rebate.
The 32 ACP is actually a decent last ditch caliber which outperforms 22LR. 22 Mag, and 25 ACP when all are fired in short 2-3'' barrels lengths. However, the best upgrade for this design would be to find a way to have it chambered in 380 ACP without making it appreciably larger
Really what I was hoping for here.
The barrel looks thicker so at first I thought this is a .380 version. 32 ACP is 8mm 380 9mm so actually the gun wouldnt have to be significant bigger. Its just a half mm on each side.
A pistol of that size would most likely be absolutely miserable to shoot in 380.
You think that's what you want, but you really don't. A 380 in this size would be miserable to shoot. I've had Seecamps in both 380 and 32, and while the 32 is still a little spicy, it's acceptable. The 380 is completely unshootable and was the first gun I ever regretted buying and quickly sold.
@@Gieszkanne It really would be nice to have a 380 ACP version
Explains the large discount of 3032 across the board plus $150 rebate. Did they even address the frame cracking issues?
Not sure the market is there, but I hope it goes well for Beretta. The design updates seem on point.
I have had the bobcat for about 8 years, really enjoying it. It’s in my pocket much of the time. Now I’m really interested in the new 30X.
Time for another trip to the store
Hopefully they do this with the 22LR guns too. Better sights, optics ready, threaded barrel would be perfect
The 21A comes with a threaded barrel but the sights are atrocious
Cool, but did they fix the frames breaking from use with basic commonly available ammo?
Just got a 22 bobcat and that thing is coming to the range every time! It’s fun!🥳
My Questions:
Did they redesign the frame so it doesn't crack under regular usage?
What does "double the durability" mean?
Can it handle a steady diet of +P without self destructing?
What about the 21A? Is it being updated?
Question that almost certainly won't be answered: Will we see an 86X (AKA Tip up 80X series pistol) in the near future?
Girsan has the new .380 ACP tip up market cornered at the moment and sadly they don't sell a threaded barrel variant in the US (probably due to import laws)
These are the real questions
All good questions.
Asking the right questions 👍 I'm most eager for a reimagined 86, I really need a tip-up defensive pistol for my mom but she's a fancy Louis Vuitton lady and I just can't see her being satisfied with a Girsan. A new 86 from Beretta is just what she needs.
@@its_clean Check out the MC 14T Lady variant. Factory ported, black gloss finish, wood grips, gold plated safety, trigger, barrel tip up lever, barrel tip up pin, hammer, grip screws, etc.
I think she would appreciate its looks.
@@MrLM002 Eh it's less an issue of making it look pretty, I could send any gun out for cerakote and DLC and gold electroplating or whatever if my mom wanted it. It's more a kneejerk brand snobbery thing. She's heard of Beretta, the fancy Italian brand that makes iconic military weapons and expensive heirloom shotguns. Goes nice with her Italian handbags and designer shoes. But Girsan, the Turkish manufacturer that makes clones of other designs? Not really her speed. For someone who is used to luxury and specifically not concerned with value, Beretta works where Girsan doesn't. Shrug.
Beretta MUST redesign the Pico for 30 Supper Carry. Just increase the magazine to accept the longer cartridge overall length. Keep the restrike feature. Add capacity to 8 standard and +2 extended magazine.
Don't increase the gun width.
3.25" barrel length.
Slick sights machined in slide.
Perfect pocket pistol.
You understand the 30 super carry generates three times the pressure of a 380 right? You would kaboom that gun, can't put 30 super carry in anything smaller than a 9mm frame
Greetings. I am very familiar with the difference in chamber pressure. 380 ACP is 21k and 30SC is 50k. The case diameter of 380 ACP is .374" and the case diameter of the 30 SC is .342" So the difference could be added to the chamber and barrel wall thickness. The Pico is rated at +P from Beretta even though there is no +P SAAMI cartridge for 380ACP like there is for 9mm. Underwood Ammo makes a 380 ACP +P round that generates 296 ft-lbs which is just shy of the 347 for 30 SC. The Pico has a width of .7" and the Nano has a width of .9" and it fires 9mm Luger with a case diameter of .391". The PICO is hard to grip. Increasing the purchase of the grip for the longer 30 SC would make more ergonomic. The PICO grip is too short as well. Single stack of 8 rounds of the smaller diameter but longer 30 SC would greatly improved ergonomics. An extended +2 magazine would be useful as a home defense option and still satisfy the Commie-forniacs. No one makes this optimized pocket pistol in 30 SC which is an untapped market. A blend of the Pico and Nano with a .8" width, 8 round flush fit magazine and 3.25" barrel chambered in 30SC is what I envision for an ideal pocket carry. Screw a bunch of holsters. The PICO restrike feature is a must have feature. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Super_Carry en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Pico underwoodammo.com/380-acp-p-65-grain-xtreme-defender/ www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-beretta-pico/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Nano @@crazyirishmedic9535
@@keithal1478 But its 32acp not 380 acp also you need a much stronger delay than just blow back for 3 times the pressure. Thats why there is no 9mm blow back.
Greetings. I realize this pistol is 32 ACP. I would rather carry hot Aguila 22LR than 32 or 25 ACP. If Beretta will spend this kind of money and engineering (essentially a new gun) updating a useless caliber MAYBE they would spend the same money on make a hybrid blend of the Pico and Nano in 30 SC for a real pocket pistol in a real caliber to meet a real need that no one is addressing. There are A LOT of people who pocket carry 38 spl 2.5" barrel, 5 shot revolvers. There are people like me who want to pocket carry something thin and modern. I am not interesting in holsters AT ALL ... not IWB, OWB Appendix or whatever. Heck if Beretta or someone would provide a pair of new blue jeans with 1" wider pockets with each new gun purchase, set up for holding a pocket sleeve and easier draw .... The market would go off like the P365 did several years ago. I hope Reeves or TFB someone reads these comments and tells Beretta to WTF up for the opportunity. Thanks for writing. @@Gieszkanne
@@keithal1478 There are some slim 9mm pocket pistols. You dont need 30sc. Nobody does.
I like my 21a covert. It's a great gun but now I'm wondering if they can do the same engineering changes to make a 20X series. I might be asking so I can have a dot on my 21a or at least a Get Home Bag version of the 21a
They’re discontinuing the bobcat again and the standard tomcat. They posted it on their facebook in December.
I would like get my hands on 1. Beretta needs to make a good subcompact line.
So the loading from tip-up is not possible with the optic installed?
With features like fits in bag and takes suppressor preppers will love it
Nah, those sorts of preppers “don’t want to be on any lists” and refuse to buy suppressors. Though I suppose some of them get threaded barrels because when “it” comes, they’ll just make their oil filter nonsense or some such
@@timunderbakke8756 they don't want to be on any lists, but half of them own property - registered as such, and the others are registered tenants of a property. Preppers are just a corner of a market, a group of nutters to sell stuff to. It's why the sales representative even mentions them
It's an oddball caliber so I doubt it will take off as a serious carry or defensive gun.
would love to see 32 make a comeback and a new model 81 Cheetah.
Really excited for the 30X series. My 3032 is a favorite jacket carry.
What is the most reliable ammo for the 30x
Great stuff! How about a 4 inch barrel?
In the "Handgun Stopping Power " books from years ago, the 32ACP ball ammo had the same 50% stopping power rate as the 380ACP ball and the 2 inch 38 Special 2 inch revolver with 158 gr standard LRN ammo. The Winchester 32ACP Silvertip load upped it to a 60% loading.
I bought the old version on sale, it is still a fun gun to shoot. I hope the 10rd magazines aren’t too expensive on their own.
Grandma is going to have a blaster that she can actually cycle the action!
I love my 3032 Tomcat. It makes me happy to see it getting an upgrade.
Will they bring these updates to the Bobcat series in .22lr as well?
always loved the cats. Dropped off the radar in like 2015 for a minute. Glad to see them
Did you just use your optics to operate your slide jc
Love it! I’ve had the 21 for two decades, great gun to run suppressed!
@0.31 takes place the day after tomorrow, tomorrow it depends on how you look at it / hm sure lets look at it from the perspective of yesterday.. lol
Here we go... first of many, top quality vids from TFBTV!
Ahhhh Show season! Modernizing a classic. Improved performance with modern features.
How do you get a round in with the red dot in the way?
Nice. Now I know why I was able to by my Tomcat a few months ago for $250. So happy I was able to pick 1 up before discontinued at such a great price. Hopefully several of the upgraded features will also work with the older models.
Nice. I also purchased a Tomcat Covert model in black for $200 after rebate.
That's awesome. But can it handle S&B ammo?
Will they bring back and update the Neos?
These are so cool. Many won't think these are useful but they are fun and that's enough.
Man, be ideal for EDC, when fishing or hiking or in work suit or whatever, so compact and easy to take with you. I love.
The main reason why I didn't buy one of these for pocket carry before was that they had ammo muzzle velocity contraints that ruled out almost all 32 ACP self-defense ammo. Violating the constraints resulted in cracked frames. I am curious to hear if there will be any ammo limitations. If not, I'm a buy.
My grandpas two carry guns were a S&W Jframe (that I know have) and a Beretta .32 tomcat (that I don’t have) will be getting one in stainless with wood grip, threaded barrel and red dot
This world wouldnt be the same without the Italians great talents well done !
So has beretta fixed the weak frame? My 3032 cracked the frame after I used a higher grain hollowpoint.
How difficult is it to load the tip up barrel with an optic attached?
“Just after the shot” bro it’s 3 months later and it’s not here!!! PLEASE RELEASE IT TODAY!!!!
My question is, do the new magazines have ANY sort of compatibility with the older model Tomcats? Or do those of us who own them need to stock up on the old magazines before they disappear from the market?
Where can we get the holster for the cat?
Hopefully they have re-engineered the metallurgy so the frames won't crack.. In the current model you were limited as to the foot pounds of energy in 32acp you used
Agreed. I had one that wouldn’t run foot pound limited ammo. Had to use a hotter load for the thing to cycle. You can guess what happened to the frame.
Really disappointed because I truly enjoyed the pistol when it ran.
@@jsedbe0624Were they aluminum frame guns?
They fixed that several years back
Wrong.@@low87dawg86
Wondering if these will still blow up from shooting standard 73gr ammo like the normal 3032.
Where do we get the mounting plate? The 30X is awesome!
Im actually excited for this. With the P32 no longer in production, someone has to do it.
What ammo does it take? .32?
Sooo why the rebate on the Bobcats as well all year? Im assuming the .22lr version is next?
Will the new extended 10 round magazine work in the original Tomcat?
Some bad ass looking little bangers!!do you loose the tip up with the optic? Looks like you can’t get a round in there between the barrel and optic.
I am curious why they didn’t double stack them? Rim lock I wonder.
Wish they would fix the slide bite on these, had a friend go to the hospital for stitches because the slide bite his hand so bad, tore his hand open, I was a dealer and could not sell these because of that safety issue, I would love to own one but I am a handgun instructor and have a very high grip which is a correct grip and these guns just bite the crap out of your hand unless you ride low on the grip, too much risk to shoot, such a bummer, please let beretta know the issue, I am sure they know about it somewhat. Great vid always good content, keep it up. I am the original owner of Kona Guns and ammo on the big island of Hawaii, largest inventory on island.
Did they fix the frame cracking problem!??
Is there a 22LR update coming? Because Im sure I haven't seen 30ACP rounds in years.
I want to know how long those slides will last
They are "probably" using the updated slide from the Tomcat, I haven't heard any serious issues with frame cracking with the current line of 3032's
I’ve got a Bobcat suppressed now I have to get an updated Tomcat! I love the 21A. It’s cranky, unreliable but fun. It’s the moped of guns. I’ll definitely buy one of these when they ship lol. I wonder if a Holosun will mount?
Does it still have that super low and super sharp slide? That gives you a stitches worthy wound on the back of your hand every time you pull the trigger?
I have the Bobcat and seriously wanted to get the Tomcat until I read it has issues with the frame cracking after 200-300 rounds. I ended up buying the Sig 365, great gun. However, if this new 30X has resolved the frame cracking issue, this is the PERFECT pocket pistol IMHO.
How could they not add slide lock back feature. That wouldve been the first thing
Very important question. Will they run the hot Siller&Billet ammo and not crack the frames?
But can you actually use the tip up loading with a red dot?
My wife has been looking for a deal on a used one for quite some time. Since these are a little friendlier to use now we might be looking at them.
Did they fix the frame cracking issue for these?
I did not read through all the comments but I hope that Beretta addressed the FTF and FTE issues with the Tomcat .32acp. My Tomcat is still only fair in terms of reliability. It is very ammo picky, and I still get failures to eject even after 200 plus rounds through it. And I keep it clean and lubed. This was to be my wife's purse gun because she has limited hand strength, but I can't trust it to work for her if/when she needed it.
Hope there is an option for and aftermarket rounded trigger. Otherwise I like everything else
Good interview, Nico was super chill & well spoken
Been waiting for weeks for showtime
Let's goooo!!
I have the 21A covert and although reliability is questionable in .22 it is still incredibly fun and tiny, its a toy for sure but with how cheap it is and how quiet it is supressed its hard to hold anything against it. Looks like i might have to get their new ones...
Did they at least fix the slide so 32acp doesn't crack it?
Can we get one in 30 Super Carry ?
Well I love it the same as I love the 3032 but it doesn't adress the biggest issues! I would have picked up a Tomcat during the rebate, what held me away was the terrible slide and hammer bite. The same old lack of extractor complaint is still there too.
Gorgeous little pocket pistols. Excited to see what Beretta does in the next few years with their 500th anniversary around the corner!