Can You Beat Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga Without Using Items?
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga features a large number of items, which you can use to heal or gain other advantages. So is it possible to beat the entire game without using those items at all? In this video, I attempt to beat Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga without using items!
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"After getting a High Score, Mario was rewarded with a Disease".
I love your sense of humour.
Thanks very much!
Truly a gamer moment
You got a disease!
Why does nobody use the Beanstar Pants and Scandal Jeans? It allows Mario to always go first and Luigi to go before Mario. That means Luigi will go before the arms followed by Mario.
I don't have a lot of practice with the M+L games, so I'm sure there are several little techniques like this that I wasn't familiar with. That's interesting to know, thanks!
Because it makes your defense a joke.
@@alejandro_rodriguez_99defense? Sounds like a skill issue (I may play this game too much)
@@nameplease8811 the problem is that in the case of the one thay did the video he isn't that good evading Cackletta sttqcks to the point of doing self-healing to survive. The difference is only the first onslaught but then he has to survive with awful defenses the rest of the fight.
@@nameplease8811 the problem is that in the case of the one that did the video he isn't that good evading Cackletta attacks to the point of doing self-healing to survive. The difference is only the first onslaught but then he has to survive with awful defenses the rest of the fight.
And due to being the first turn of Cackletta soul is better to restart at that point that at the end when the fight is harder with awful defense
So, just a small note... The level up bonuses that you choose go up slowly for every level that you DON'T pick the stat in question, and go down every time you DO pick them, so you get significantly better stat gains from levelling up if you spread the points out, rather than put them all into one stat every single time.
Edit: To clarify, the highest these bonuses can go is +9, and the lowest is 0, but you can only get 4 or higher by leaving a stat alone and coming back to it, and you can only get 0 if you keep choosing the same stat over and over again.
Oh so that's why I was was slower thar cackletta soul
Btw +9 isnt the highest stat Bonus with the lv up. Its only 6 after choosing another Stat for about 3 Times.
I preatty sure because i have played it to nearly perfection and a bit too much😅
@@christopherwinkler3658
+9 is the limit in the code, during normal gameplay you can’t get that high, but with cheats you can force the game to have values above 6, but not any higher than +9!
@@christopherwinkler3658he confused BIS’s random generation of its stats
People: No items play through!!!
Me, an item horder: wait were using items???
I mean, you never know if the next boss will be so hard I'll use all my 50 potions, 20 super potions, 10 hyper potions and half a dozen full restores, duh.
@@youtube-kit9450 Facts
24:25 looks like Mario couldn't bear seeing his brother like that and his heart and ulcer gave up on him immediately
I never noticed you using the Advanced Bros moves, you get those by using them over and over again. Those would have really helped you because there are some that are endless if you have great timing.
Splash Bros Advance also has a property that lets Mario ignore spikes on enemies at the cost of a little bit of damage, so using it allows you to defeat Queen Bean MUCH faster than the intended method of knocking out the hands first
The thing with advanced bros techniques is that to learn them, the bros in the original had to use them a certain amount of times perfectly.
With how this challenge was set up it would be impossible for him to learn these techniques _and_ not game over thus losing it.
DX changed this by allowing the bros to automatically learn the previous advanced bros technique as soon as you unlock the next technique, with the exception of the final automatically unlocking by bowletta's castle
@@NimonoSolenze
Advanced Splash Bros only deals less damage to regular enemies, and EXTRA damage to spiked ones. It's very very effective on Queen Bean.
@@MarioFan587YT Huh. I'd always been told it did less to all enemies! I was misinformed! D:
So, I know you're in a bit of a bros point famine, but doing splash bros enough to get the advanced is REALLY helpful for queen bean, the advanced version allows you to hit spiked enemies and does bonus damage to them, iirc ot lets you end the fight in like 2-3 attacks
In the nom american Versions, not sure if Japanese or also PAL, they added a heal block that fully helps you before the queen bean fight as well, so that's a thing
The Japanese version of the original game is the only one with the heart blocks, and they're only in three places. The PAL version of the game is basically just the American version but with multiple languages. I *think* that the sound effect when reviving is different between the two, but I could have confused that with something else.
There's no such thing as a PAL GBA game, since GBA has an internal display. Plus, the European version includes French, an area that used SECAM, not PAL.
Yes, the answer is yes.
I beat it without items as a kid because I was too stupid to understand how they worked.
The wiggler has 34 HP so you killed it with perfect damage.
You didn't get the other bros attack at the Hammer bros house?? It could've made your life so much easier
wth i never seen mario & luigi tired sprites in overworkd
this is dope
if you plan to do this challenge again for any of the future mario and luigi games, I would like to suggest practicing dodging attacks. I noticed you loved to jump with both mario and luigi at the same time and I feel that probably messed you up a bit in the later fights when the timing starts to delay, this kind of play gets much worse in later games where they punish same time jumpings. I feel once you get a better understanding of when you jump it will make future attacks where you dodge by jumping so much easier.
god, so true. Halfway through I realised that the game was "easy because of items" only because it was a huge crutch to not being able to dodge XD
As a longtime player of this series, I full body cringed watching him attempt to deflect and dodge attacks that were color coded for each bro.
I feel like the laughing joke in all of the locations until "Joke's End" are underappreciated.
"Teehee" mountains
"Chuckle"huck woods
"Oho" oasis
"Woohoohoo"niversity
Not sure if you knew about this or not (considering you didn't mention it in the video), but there is actually a much faster way to beat Trunkle: when selecting which enemy to attack, which in this case would be Trunkle in his base form, you have the option to instead attack the yellow berry on Trunkle's head tree, which has far less HP and upon destroying, defeats Trunkle prematurely and completely forgoes his "small" phase.
A quick note on the Trunkle fight: I usually find it faster to just spam Jump type Bros. Attacks on the Trunkle's head (Where the orange dot is). It usually goes down pretty quick, in spite of the high Def of that part.
I've never seen Trunkle's second phase lmao. Always targeted the fruit and spammed Mario's spinning hammer bros attack so it'd die in four or five turns
15:46 now we know why she gets kidnapped so much. She has some kind of magnetic field that attracts every diseased creature known to man, that is only deactivated when under discreet supervision.
You might as well do every Mario rpg (with items at least).
Oof. PIT would be hell as not only are the healing items off limits, but the bros attacks are replaced by bros ITEMS too...
@@gaskinforeman303just do no healing items.
@@marioluigijam3612 Since there's an infinitely reusable healing block in Peach's Castle, power leveling so you do comparable damage to Bros. Items is an option.
@@Plide True enough but I believe the challenge the idea of the challenge is not to have healing/restoration/buffing items. Power leveling is boring so I think doing something like I suggested could lead to a more interesting run. More about being able to dodge and smartly heal (after bosses and whatever) rather than just gimping your attacks. Though I suppose since in every other game under these rules would require you to ration you BP/SP it could be argued that not allowing bros items would fall in line better.
I aint a scaredy cat to kill bowser first bro. Get skill.
I'm glad to see you back, really enjoy this challenge runs 😄
Hope next video takes a little less time
Thanks very much!
Your content is really entertaining! I hope you decide to do runs like this for Partners in Time and Inside Story, I think those would be really fun or maybe more difficult due to the removal of the castle warp in Inside Story
You deserve so many more views! Great videos!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
Another great video bro! Hope we'll see more of you in the future 😁
Thanks very much!
This challenge would be significantly easier if you didn't suck at dodging lol.
Probably true!
omg havent seen the video yet but so hyped to see ur back!! love ur content
Thanks very much, it's definitely been a while!
I love your videos! you really don't get enough recognition.
Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoy them!
@MandatoryPixel you should try this challenge with the other mario and luigi rpg games as well. And maybe even legend of the 7 stars. Also, if you do this challenge with partners in time, just stick with banning the normal items! The bros attacks in that game are called "bros items" and you'll be pretty much screwed without them. I mean, you could probably get through the whole run without them by doing a lot of grinding (and I mean A LOT of grinding. Like literal days' worth of grinding), but that would be lame and extremely tedious and delay the video by about a month!!! They aren't really "items" so it wouldn't make any sense to ban them in this challenge. You'd just make it more excruciating. *SO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T BAN THE BROS ATTACKS JUST BECAUSE THE GAME CALLS THEM ITEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Cackletta’s soul is gonna be interesting.
have you considered getting good
i'm kidding, you did great. really entertaining video, and now i have a new challenge run to try lmao
Thanks! I'm really not that good at this game though 😆
Me before the video: Yeah ofc it works, you just dodge everything, items are just a crutch.
Me, seeing how you're not good at dodging: Oh no.
Yeah I suck at dodging I’m only good since I’m over leveled
Edit: now I am fine at dodging.
This challenge is less can you beat the game without items and more so can you beat the final boss without items
*realizes if he was to do the next no items run in partners, that means no bro items*
...oh no
Since I done a perfect job in the desert (Mario on 10hp) I loved the video!
Let the last section of the video be proof that Cackletta soul is a struggle of a boss.
I highly recommend you try doing Partners in Time without fighting a SINGLE wild encounter. It might be the hardest challenge you can do
I couldn’t imagine doing that, I usually fight every encounter as I see them, and I still barely make it through Elder Princess Shroob. I might do it anyways.
@@Big_Boss_985 I do have a playthrough of me attempting this challenge on my yt, however the camera quality is complete garbo and I would want a capture card for DS if I were to attempt it again.
I will say it is easier on BiS because you can grind Beans and plus the XP you get from bosses are reasonable enough to the point where Bowser and the Bros can get to at least level 20
I actually did that recently, and it wasn't too bad from what I remember - just very long. I can't remember if I had trouble with any of the bosses (aside from them taking a while to beat), even on the NTSC version.
Doing that challenge in SSS (GBA), Dream Team Bros, and Paper Jam Bros was much more difficult for me personally (though I was playing DT on Hard Mode, so that might be why). I still need to get round to doing it in SSDX at some point, as well as doing a Level 17 run of BIS - I tried to do it in the remake, but I made some mistakes that resulted in me finishing the game at around Lvl 18 or 19 :P
@@Nimtendo03 I thought about it after I finished the challenge myself, and while it’s definitely tough, I think there are 2 things to make the challenge at least easier. That would make sure you don’t run into enemies (that way you don’t have to run away and lose coins) and then get any badges and beans that can help you get bros items. I had the issue of just not having coins to buy anything
So I know how I could have improved my run, but it’s still really tough
For BiS, I recommend you don’t allow the use of beans. It makes the game so much easier and not even a challenge. I did the same challenge and ended at level 20 with everyone.
@@carterferris07 fair enough. Personally, I'm decent enough at mashing to the point that I was able to escape any battle I encountered in PiT whilst only losing 5-6 coins without the wallet badges, and 3-4 with the wallet badges. I will agree that resource management is any issue, though I feel it's best to balance between having good defensive gear to be able to survive against at least one attack and having a good set of badges equipped (for PiT anyway). I personally think that there are enough bros items, regular items and coins out in the overworld to not have to worry about them too much, but I get why someone would want more to be on the safe side. I recall buying some bros items myself, though I can't remember how many.
Nonetheless it's still an impressive feat, so well done on the run.
7:58 PEPSI MAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!
Edit: 10:07 “oh mama Mia I shouldn’t of a eaten all a that spaghetti “
Edit2: 17:32 comedy
Edit3: 28:45 SMOOTTHHHH
For the final fight if you had the speed you go first
Yeah but you need 121 speed or more in the GBA version, or 181 or more in the 3DS version.
This game is a fun interpretation of familial abuse!
Honestly when I found you about a month ago I was wondering if it was still worth subscribing so seeing you upload something is very nice
I can imagine! It's been quite a while since my last one. The Arceus video took a ton of work, far more than any of the other ones, so burnout, a few failed video ideas, and being busy with other things made it a long wait. Thanks for subscribing!
@@MandatoryPixel yeah i can imagine that it is pretty draining when a video idea does not live up to your own personal expectation
34:07 - Because OF COURSE THIS HAD TO BE _CAPPED OFF_ WITH A MEME. Pun intended.
Really, though. EXCELLENT job trudging through this challenge. Too bad doing this damageless is nearly impossible....UNLESS YOU USE THE MUSH BADGE AA'S. Seriously, just use the Game Boy Horror SP & the Great Force equipment items, go to the Eastern Warp Pipe, and just jump on Bob-omb's to kill them instantly, and if they have Tanoomba's in the group, that's good too. Each will drop a Red/Green Pepper for each Bob-omb/Tanoomba respectfully. Pretty early on in the game, they can be sold for about 50 Coins, a pop! Even better, just use the GBHSP for Sworm's in the earlier parts of Beanbean Kingdom, and each of THEM will drop Ultra Mushrooms, and the Woo Beans you get from Sharpea's can just be used to make Woohoo Blend coffees. Sell those for up to 200 Coins! Easy money, Ultra Mushrooms, and DISGUSTING POWER. Honestly, this is why I LOVE the original M&L:SS, more than the remake. The nerfs done to the Badges, and items in general, are nauseating.
I love your sense of humor!
Thanks!
I love this video! Has inspired me to do a no item run of super Mario RPG ^_^
Thanks very much! Good luck!
@@MandatoryPixel Thank you! But to keep it in spirit of YOUR run, where you couldn’t really heal due to no inns or heal blocks, I’m tempted to ban inns in SMRPG, making only the mushroom ? blocks my only reliable source of healing, but they do come back if you leave the area and come back so… idk.
@@sonnitude Could always ban the blocks too and try to survive off of items, Peach/Mallow spells, and cutscene heals 😉
@@MandatoryPixel That’s true! Items are actually quite limited in the overworld and while battles give items sometimes they ain’t guaranteed.
22:38 When the place is called joke's end, and he immediatly tells a joke...
I found cackletta extremely difficult playing normally. You are mad. Incredible.
For me cackletta was easy
You mention this in the beginning, but tbh boosting your offenses is the best thing to do in any of the Mario and Luigi games. Damage is completely optional in all games, so taking damage is genuinely less optimal than boosting your Pow. You should still stagger your stat boosts between Pow, BP, and Stache, maybe Speed if you wanna spice it up a bit later on, but boosting Def and HP is completely optional to get through these games.
Ngl, I've never seen that move where Hermie tucks into his shell to heal lmao. I usually end the fight in like 3 turns with Chopper Bros.
Man, I love Fawful.
man as a kid I did these types of runs for fun. I should really try it again one day.
One thing I noticed
You don't have to attack all the enemies that split
They usually have some switching around animation so you can tell
Interesting video. My only thought would be that I feel like selling your stockpile of items sort of goes against the spirit of the challenge. You are in essence using the item after all, just not for it's in battle effect. By selling items you're effectively replacing the written effect of the item with "Becomes X coins when used."
I can see where you're coming from! I've taken a harder stance like that in some of my other videos. I think my logic here was that selling the items off just saves me time, rather than making things less challenging.
it's funny how ludwig is a spiny in the e3 build, so they had to shrink his sprite to match his hitbox in the final.
i thought about doing a challenge run for this and PiT, beating the game without changing equipment
Ngl once you get badges even without items the game becomes pretty easy
Your damage and defense are lowerd by so much without them
wonder what a no badges no items run looks like
would like to thank you for not doing this on the 3ds version of this game, im pretty sure its just nostalgia but i swear its inferior to the gba one in terms of art style and how it does tthe bros moves in the overworld.
also its extremely tragic how much skill issues have been shown off in the dodging of this playthrough, but that did make this more interesting overall though so still a good video. did this sort of thing when i played this as a kid (i was very stingy with items to the point of just refusing to use them, and never realized the power of the mush badge) and it was definitely pretty fun.
ill be looking forward to seeing more stuff based on the bros games if you do more on em
I've never even seen the egg phase of the Popple-Birdo fight. I guess because I use Mush Badges and kill them too quick.
goated game, I love it so much
I wanna see you do this with Partners in time, where the bros attacks are items.
You can if you abuse the MUSH AAA badges on both Bros. GBA version only the Shroom force effect is NOT abusable on the 3DS remake of it AT all but that remake DID replace it with a DIFFERENT Broken effect so that Chopper/Cyclone Bros still does 300+ damage a TURN to the final bosses.
i played a lot of bowser's inside story, i think in my last playthrough i did a no items run just because i never had to use them, i was godlike at avoiding attacks. but in superstar saga i was in need of a mushroom almost every battle
Itemless partners in time seems like it would be an actual nightmare, no bros Items, bosses will last years
No Bros Advancements either, an impressive playthrough.
Wow gg I’m stuck at the final fight for six months now 😂
Don't using the advanced Bros attacks made this quite dificult too. Cause they are the most broken in the game
This is basically how I play rpgs (my storage in deltarune is full of dark candies)
Do you use ralsi and noelles heal prayer
@@kylelovespenguins6762 yes
Mario and Luigi be like: MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAAA
this challenge might actually be ever so slightly easier on the japanese version, since there is a single heart block in the beanbean sewers
6:01 This is not entirely true. You can't JUMP on the main body while she is wearing the crown, but she can be hammered, which has the added effect of pushing her backwards. My tactic for the Queen Bean fight is to destroy one arm then hammer the body, which not only allows you to avoid the bean spitting attack but also causes her wave attack to be easier to dodge and do less damage if you do get hit
Trust me, don’t Hammer. Instead, use super splash / advanced bros, my strat is is to use it on her head. Then hammer with Luigi.
Have you tried doing this challenge on the Japanese version? In the Japanese version, most of the enemies have different stats and there's heart blocks that appear throughout the game
My trunkel fight he never split at all
funny and wierd quirk with superstar saga, and potentially all of mario and luigi.
the attack stat for bros attacks that matters is the bro that makes contact with the boss from what i hear, meaning luigis attack didnt matter for bros attacks.
also superstar saga has advanced bounce bros, which is an infinite bro attack. very broken.
That's interesting! I guess it makes sense.
the short version is yes
you can beat pretty much every mario and luigi game without taking damage
25:30 Wait a second, what? Since when does this happen? I think I just always destroyed either Popple or Birdo too fast for them to do this, but it's kinda wild that I just discovered this attack
Now you should do that with Mario RPG +multiple skill issues 🤣🤣
Awesome 😊
You should do this challenge in inside story too
I don't remember the Koopaling fights at all in Superstar Saga
Cuz they didn’t speak probably? Which is kind of a dumb choice
If you were to do this in the 3ds remake would you use the mush badge? It was severely nerfed in that game.
I'm not sure! I guess I'd have to mess around with it and decide.
28:39 lol
Ngl i think the easiest version to do this challenge in is the japanese version or the remake because it has recover blocks. I still dont know why the japanese release of the original has them
The localization seems to be based on a version that was a little earlier in development, since there are all kinds of little differences like that in the Japanese version. Definitely weird!
do partners in time no items next please (would exclude bros items)
will you do dream team next i love that game
Ok I have a genuine question please enlighten me: Isn't selling the items you get technically "using" them to get more money? Or am I just reading into it too much
Depends on your definition, I guess!
I wonder if it is possible to beat Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam without using items?
I did cacklettas soul with 1 hp no heals easily, however, I overleveled and used number 1 trousers and schoool slack
That’s just how I play normally…
i haven't watched the video yet but im assuming the answer is yes because every attack is dodgeable
Is there any particular reason you chose to play the GBA version over the 3DS?
Ease of recording?
I personally prefer the original, but being easier to record didn't hurt either!
@@MandatoryPixel graphics wise? Gameplay?
@@cuddlequeen3225 Both, I guess!
I'm partial to the remasters personally. More content. Nicer graphics to me.
17:37 uh oh
seeing you die to bad timing pains my soul, as a "No items" is very easy if you have good timing, but its a great video
I wanted to Know wich tricks do you know about this M&L game? because there is a lot of Badges exclusive to sidequests, and even the 4th Bros attacks, they would've helped you a lot
I knew about some of them and didn't bother, but I haven't played the M&L games much so there were probably plenty that I wasn't familiar with.
so in stardust valley you can grind till your about lvl 7/8 and the next 2 areas will be a breeze but how? well you can beat the mobs in sdv but run in the final battle to lose some of your coins go back to the tolstar abd he'll respawn all the mobs repeat until you reach a good level and then continue the game
Interesting! I couldn't do that for this particular challenge since fleeing was banned, but that's a cool fact!
@@MandatoryPixelI had to do it recently because I did a challenge run of the game where I couldn't use action commands or dodge, and Tolstar was nearly impossible otherwise.
You are terrible at dodging, lol. No offence though as the video is really fun.
You're not wrong! I don't play the M&L games much, so I don't have much practice with the dodges.
Could you please do a change of the 1000 year Dore only damage by the Crystal stairs
That's literally impossible because you have to spend a whole chapter without one.
not to be mean about this, but it feels like a lot of the time you miss very simple visual cues on the attacks you were often struggling with
like - i saw several occasions during the cackletta's soul fight where you actively just ignore her eyes that show you which reaction you should have in her arm spin attack thing
initially im thinking....why is this hard? MLSS isnt that hard, just a bit tedious if you are willingly not using some things.
Then you mentioned no inns. And i realized....yeah...theres no pay to heal outside of items. Oh this aint gonna be easy lol
Could you continue this series?
I'm not as familiar with the M&L games as I am with other Mario RPGs, so there are probably people better suited to the task. Maybe sometime though!
I like this
You do know the way to respawn enemies is to enter and leave beanbean town right?
It is definitely possible, but it makes the game a lot harder.
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I still have zero fucking clue how i beat this game i sucked at the timing stuff and didn't have the tank badge i relied on items to heal me it was hell at the final fight enjoyed the game otherwise though
So does brewing the coffee and then never drinking it still count as using an item?
Cause it gives good equipment for first time brewing each kind
You have to use beans to brew the coffee, so yes, they were banned and that equipment was off-limits.
Ah ok thanks, I kind of want to do this challenge, but not banning coffee equipment, but banning beanbean castle respawn healing in return
Try this challenge on the 3ds version
If u know how to dodge every SINGLE ENEMIES ATTACK then your HP WOULDNT EVEN MATTER CUZ YOU NEVER WILL GET HURT!!