Thanks Steph for the detailed ammo research. I shot some Lapua Act-X and some Eley Tenex the other day just trying to get a feel of how it shoots. These were some boxes that a viewer sent to me to test. I had no idea that they were higher end (expensive) ammo as I don't shoot matches or competition. I have quite a few of the other SK, Eley, CCI, Norma ammo to try out, but I just use a suppressed semi-auto and basically prefer plinking between 25 to 50 yards. In other words, the mid to low range works for me.
my MTR loves SK Standard, and SK rifle match. i get groups like you did with the team. haven't shot eley yet... but i have Club, contact and benchrest outlaw to try. soon as it warms up a bit i'll give it a go! thx for the video, awsome. Cheers from BC
That was a very realistic comparison! Been comparing a lot of garden variety Rem, Win, and Fed, against RWS Match Rifle, and Eley Target (vintage ammo) in a Savage MkII and a Winchester 69A, and repeatedly found Aguila Super Extra shooting very close to what I could do with the RWS Match. Its nice when you can get performance at a cheap price!
Would be interesting to see how the same ammo selection holds up on 100/150/200 yards (and beyond...). CZ457 on order here in Belgium and been doing some research on quality/price ammo. SK Standard seems to top most of them. Btw, don't change the tshirt, very relatable.
Nice video. I like conducting ammo tests myself and just did a bunch on my CZ 457 Pro Varmint about a month ago. I do prefer to be consistent in all of my tests though, and I tend to go above and beyond the "standard" testing methods to ensure I get the most accurate data. I see sometimes you shoot 5 foulers/sighters and other times you shoot 10 foulers. Different ammos use different types of lubricant and to get the barrel properly fouled in, 10 shots is typically enough but 5 is not IMO. I just saw you mentioned this at 14:54. Obviously when you're swapping between all the Eley, 5 sighters is probably more than enough but I just prefer to 100% consistent in the way I test. My goal for testing is to shoot the ammo once and get the most accurate results possible. This is how I test. I shoot 20 foulers followed by six 5-shot groups (total of 50rds). Then I eliminate my worst group (which likely contains a wind, shooter, or ammo induced flier). Then I use my best 5 groups for an average group size. You really get a good feel of what the ammo is capable of when you shoot six separate 5-shot groups. Like at 10:07, your 10rd sighter group was great with no low shots. Then you drop one low shot which opens up your first group up. I would love to see what five or six different 5-shot groups of that ammo looks like. At 16:44 you changed your testing method and shot an extra group because you shot 4 in the same hole, then had a flier. I completely understand why you did that (because you saw potential). I just prefer a larger sample size so the results don't get skewed one way or another. I realize you have to shoot a lot more ammo to test my way, but if you're trying to get the most accurate data, and you don't want to be questioning yourself afterward about how the ammo would shoot if you hadn't pulled that one shot low, etc., you would really benefit from shooting 5 or 6 five-shot groups. Just thought I would throw that out there. That gun is definitely a shooter. My best 5 shot group averages are in the mid .4's shooting suppressed with SK pistol match. Mine did not like Eley match or target at all and shot them in the mid .6's (worse than CCI standard velocity). It did shoot Eley subsonic hollow point well. I just bought some more SK pistol match to investigate further since I think it has some extra potential. I had one .20" group and four 4-shot groups that were .05-.25" with one flier each, bumping them up in the ~.4-.5". range...
Wow this is quite the message. First of all thanks for taking the time and sharing your findings. As a detailed person, the roughest of this test very much on purpose. I think I mentioned this in one of my videos but the idea is to rule out ammos that are not even going to come close to the top. If an ammo can’t come close to the top in 20 shots or less I’m not going to waste my time. I’m looking for the best and the very best will shine instantly. I tested all the Eley and Sk ammo in succession aka with the same lube. Sometimes I didn’t care to do more then the 5 shot sighter if I shot 2 previous Sk or Eley ammos. My biggest concern was changing from Eley to Sk… so on. Very different lubricants. Ammo is very expensive and this test is very much bare bones quick overview test. Yes as you mentioned, a part 2 would be to do a much more extensive test, you are right. Cheers.
What cheek riser is that? Is that the one from amazon? Neoprene with 3 different foam risers? I was worried it would not fit on my mtr. If its the same one , how do you like it and would you recommend it? I plan on moving to an oryx later, so this would hold me over for the time being. Thanks for the video.
My cz 457 mtr dose not shoot well with sk auto at all but loves sk long range match and strangely federal bulk box auto-match which bug holes every other 5rd group with 3 different lots so far and that's impressive for supersonic stuff.
Awesome! Glad you liked it. I run an Atlas bipod. Pretty pricey but I run it on all my guns. Quick detach on a pic rail. Definitely don’t need all that on a .22 LR lol. But that is what I run. Cheers man.
Nice! Perfect. Yep I made my own. It’s free in the link below. ( the Tumblr link) Cheers Enjoy! 64.media.tumblr.com/2cbefd0c7d1309260ae3ed676aab6542/4fc414e77d5860f0-e9/s2048x3072/24cbf0f05c545631392477303dad936b11d2547c.jpg
Excellent video. The fact that you shot in different conditions will have some impact on the results. Unfortunately the more expensive the ammo the more consistent the ammo tends to be. My CZ likes Eley Match, Tenex, Team and the Sport. Contact and Force is OK, but not great. I have not been able to get the semi auto or Pistol Match. I use CCI Target to get my practice in, get my stock set in the way I like it or merely practice my breathing and trigger pull. Works just fine, but not for match shooting as there tends to be a flyer every so often with the CCI Target. For practice that really doesn’t matter. Not to mention the price versus the top end Eley ammo. It is about time behind the rifle when practicing. Often time behind the rifle is worth more than the ammo being used. Know your rifle.
Try Eley Semi Auto Benchrest Precision. My 457 Varmint really likes SK Rifle Match. The Harrells tuner made it Lot insensitive. I have 7 Lots that group the same.
I do have a bunch of CCI SV, for the price yes you are correct. Some guns shoot SV phenomenally. This gun shoots it just ok. Definitely a solid choice.
Hi Steph, thanks for the videos, very good! I practice precision shooting at 50m. I'm on the fence about buying a $2,000 Anschutz or the $1,500 CZ457 LRP. What advice would you give me? Thanks.
I’ve shot very few Anschutz in my life and from what I can see they are very good. I really don’t think they will disappoint. I guess it boils down to why you want it and what do you want to use it for? Competition? Enjoy shooting for shooting sake? Beating your friends? Plinking? For myself, I love taking a gun and getting it to shoot the best it can and I love beating my buddies and I don’t do competitions and I love sharing my data with others. So, my CZ 457 MTR does the job perfectly. Is it as good as a Anschutz or Vudoo? No. But man she shoots good. My buddy shoots the LRP and results in general are very similar. Just a sexier looking gun then my MTR. I’m not going to decide for you because I think deep down inside you might already know which one you want. Both are fantastic man. Let me know which one you pick!
This guy I like just got an Anschutz! Looks like he good a good one. I don’t know if they all shoot like that but his is unreal. ua-cam.com/video/l0tnsZpMHIs/v-deo.html
@@AvidhunterDupuis Thank you Steph, very good question. I shoot for sport and participate in local competitions, but I have half a dozen Anschutz competing with me. I believe that CZ would do the job, but I will push harder and go straight to Anschutz, it should be a lifetime investment and I will be satisfied with the results. Thanks again.
Exactly you are spot on, a life time of great shooting. Many would recommend to buy the best you can afford and the same is true for good glass (scope). Cheers man, enjoy
Huge problems getting .22 ammo at the moment, well at least in Europe. My go to ammo for my 457 MTR 20" is for training CCI standard, and for competition SK Rifle Match. Just one side note, I sort my match ammo by weight and rim thickness.
I get it man. I’m fortunate that two shops in my province stocked a lot of good stuff. I look for the shops who don’t sell ammo online. SV and SK Rifle Match are two solid loads. Yes cool, I have not gotten to weight sorting at this point.
@@cz503 I tested 25 different ammo types, with the rifle in a clamp. Three types of ammo had the same result, Eley ten x, Lapua Midas and SK rifle match. Five rounds and a 0.28 inch hole at 50 mtrs. need I say more.
@@geordiegeorge9041 Past 100 in middle 200 yards range is the distance where your rifle and ammo will show weakness. You need match barrel and good stock , good trigger then spend money on ammo.
@@cz503 Here where I live the maximum competition distance with a .22lr rifle is 50 meters, we can shoot out to 300 meters for the fun of it. But all competitions are restricted to 50 meters.
I've got an atlas bipod with quick release that works with a pic rail. Are you saying that you can get a pic rail to mount on the CZ or is it a different type of rail? Thanks
I put a Area 419 Improved bipod pic rail on my MTR. Now, because they were screwed in swivel studs I drilled out the holes to add the rail but yes that is exactly right.
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like CRAZY to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on. I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like crazy to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on. I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like crazy to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on. I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
I’m not sure how you are measuring your groups. But the numbers are way off. A .240 group. The bullets will almost touch each other. Center to center is how to measure. Measure the outside to outside of the furthest two shots and subtract.220 from that. That’s the bore size. That will be you measurements center to center. The Eley .24 group you show is close to a half inch group.
Yes so the correct way to measure a group Center to Center: I take my digital calipers, and I measuring outside edge of a bullet to the very outside edge of a bullet hole. Aka measuring the very outside edge of the two bullets that are the furthest distance apart. That’s comes in at 0.438 ( yes it looks like just under half inch) minus the width of a bullet (0.223)= giving you a perfect Center to Center group measurement of 0.215”. Make sense? The bullet is almost 1/4”. If you shot 5 shots in one perfect hole would you call that a group of 0 C to C ? Or a group of 0.223”? We are measuring Center to Center. Hope that makes sense.
@@AvidhunterDupuis all 5 in the same hole will be a 0.000 center to center group. You measure center of the hole to the center of the hole. A .240 group will have all 5 shots touching each other. The Eley Tenex group that you have marked .240 looks like a 0.400- 0.450 size group.
Yeah so I just measured that one again and I’m getting a 0.470” outside measurement. 0.247” so it could be rounded up. Lol I have no reason to lie about my groups. I just let the callipers tell me the story. I actually wish it was better. I expected better results from the Tenex.
I’m finding that the Eley team and Tenex make nice clean holes compared the messy holes of everything else as they are designed to do. How would you measure it? Do you just throw the callipers middle to middle and kinda guess the middle? You make a good point because it does look odd.
@@AvidhunterDupuis Just want you to be able to compare group sizes with everyone. wasnt trying to irritate you. Your .240 groups are twice the size of my .240 groups. A .240 group will have only .020 gap between bullets touching. You have plenty of room to fit a bullet between your outside holes. that makes it around .400 group. No big deal. I just look at the group, not the numbers.
That ruins the fun of testing my friend. Lol yes of course I can do that. The highest end ammo should shoot really good. The real purpose for the test is to find the best shooting Medium and low end bullets to be more cost effective as well. Cheers
Thanks for the "Therapy" session. So Relaxing!
Thanks Steph for the detailed ammo research. I shot some Lapua Act-X and some Eley Tenex the other day just trying to get a feel of how it shoots. These were some boxes that a viewer sent to me to test. I had no idea that they were higher end (expensive) ammo as I don't shoot matches or competition. I have quite a few of the other SK, Eley, CCI, Norma ammo to try out, but I just use a suppressed semi-auto and basically prefer plinking between 25 to 50 yards. In other words, the mid to low range works for me.
Act-x would be awesome to try. But I’m like you. I don’t do competitions so is hard to justify the prices.
Cheers man thanks for sharing
my MTR loves SK Standard, and SK rifle match. i get groups like you did with the team. haven't shot eley yet... but i have Club, contact and benchrest outlaw to try. soon as it warms up a bit i'll give it a go! thx for the video, awsome. Cheers from BC
That was a very realistic comparison! Been comparing a lot of garden variety Rem, Win, and Fed, against RWS Match Rifle, and Eley Target (vintage ammo) in a Savage MkII and a Winchester 69A, and repeatedly found Aguila Super Extra shooting very close to what I could do with the RWS Match. Its nice when you can get performance at a cheap price!
Thanks!
Would be interesting to see how the same ammo selection holds up on 100/150/200 yards (and beyond...). CZ457 on order here in Belgium and been doing some research on quality/price ammo. SK Standard seems to top most of them. Btw, don't change the tshirt, very relatable.
Great Video ,new Subscriber here
Oh wow, what an honor! Love your stuff man.
Nice video. I like conducting ammo tests myself and just did a bunch on my CZ 457 Pro Varmint about a month ago. I do prefer to be consistent in all of my tests though, and I tend to go above and beyond the "standard" testing methods to ensure I get the most accurate data. I see sometimes you shoot 5 foulers/sighters and other times you shoot 10 foulers. Different ammos use different types of lubricant and to get the barrel properly fouled in, 10 shots is typically enough but 5 is not IMO. I just saw you mentioned this at 14:54. Obviously when you're swapping between all the Eley, 5 sighters is probably more than enough but I just prefer to 100% consistent in the way I test. My goal for testing is to shoot the ammo once and get the most accurate results possible. This is how I test. I shoot 20 foulers followed by six 5-shot groups (total of 50rds). Then I eliminate my worst group (which likely contains a wind, shooter, or ammo induced flier). Then I use my best 5 groups for an average group size. You really get a good feel of what the ammo is capable of when you shoot six separate 5-shot groups. Like at 10:07, your 10rd sighter group was great with no low shots. Then you drop one low shot which opens up your first group up. I would love to see what five or six different 5-shot groups of that ammo looks like. At 16:44 you changed your testing method and shot an extra group because you shot 4 in the same hole, then had a flier. I completely understand why you did that (because you saw potential). I just prefer a larger sample size so the results don't get skewed one way or another. I realize you have to shoot a lot more ammo to test my way, but if you're trying to get the most accurate data, and you don't want to be questioning yourself afterward about how the ammo would shoot if you hadn't pulled that one shot low, etc., you would really benefit from shooting 5 or 6 five-shot groups. Just thought I would throw that out there. That gun is definitely a shooter. My best 5 shot group averages are in the mid .4's shooting suppressed with SK pistol match. Mine did not like Eley match or target at all and shot them in the mid .6's (worse than CCI standard velocity). It did shoot Eley subsonic hollow point well. I just bought some more SK pistol match to investigate further since I think it has some extra potential. I had one .20" group and four 4-shot groups that were .05-.25" with one flier each, bumping them up in the ~.4-.5". range...
Wow this is quite the message. First of all thanks for taking the time and sharing your findings. As a detailed person, the roughest of this test very much on purpose. I think I mentioned this in one of my videos but the idea is to rule out ammos that are not even going to come close to the top. If an ammo can’t come close to the top in 20 shots or less I’m not going to waste my time. I’m looking for the best and the very best will shine instantly. I tested all the Eley and Sk ammo in succession aka with the same lube. Sometimes I didn’t care to do more then the 5 shot sighter if I shot 2 previous Sk or Eley ammos. My biggest concern was changing from Eley to Sk… so on. Very different lubricants.
Ammo is very expensive and this test is very much bare bones quick overview test.
Yes as you mentioned, a part 2 would be to do a much more extensive test, you are right.
Cheers.
Maybe you should start a UA-cam channel
@@pitts3219 Why? I'm just offering some constructive criticism on his testing methods.
What cheek riser is that? Is that the one from amazon? Neoprene with 3 different foam risers? I was worried it would not fit on my mtr. If its the same one , how do you like it and would you recommend it? I plan on moving to an oryx later, so this would hold me over for the time being. Thanks for the video.
My cz 457 mtr dose not shoot well with sk auto at all but loves sk long range match and strangely federal bulk box auto-match which bug holes every other 5rd group with 3 different lots so far and that's impressive for supersonic stuff.
Steph, great videos, just picked up my 457 MTR, and I am curious what you're running to attach your bipod shown on this video?
Awesome! Glad you liked it. I run an Atlas bipod. Pretty pricey but I run it on all my guns. Quick detach on a pic rail. Definitely don’t need all that on a .22 LR lol. But that is what I run. Cheers man.
This is great, going through different ammo on my new MTR right now. Where did you get/make the targets? Thats exactly what Im looking for.
Nice! Perfect. Yep I made my own. It’s free in the link below. ( the Tumblr link)
Cheers Enjoy!
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Steph,really like what you’ve done here. Got some good ideas from this presentation. Would you tell me as to where you got those test targets?
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Thanks! Click the free link here to download the image
I made it myself, that’s why it’s a tumbler link. Cheers. Enjoy.
Excellent video. The fact that you shot in different conditions will have some impact on the results. Unfortunately the more expensive the ammo the more consistent the ammo tends to be. My CZ likes Eley Match, Tenex, Team and the Sport. Contact and Force is OK, but not great. I have not been able to get the semi auto or Pistol Match. I use CCI Target to get my practice in, get my stock set in the way I like it or merely practice my breathing and trigger pull. Works just fine, but not for match shooting as there tends to be a flyer every so often with the CCI Target. For practice that really doesn’t matter. Not to mention the price versus the top end Eley ammo. It is about time behind the rifle when practicing. Often time behind the rifle is worth more than the ammo being used. Know your rifle.
Lotz of work there to get all that data... but ... definitely worth it.
Try Eley Semi Auto Benchrest Precision. My 457 Varmint really likes SK Rifle Match. The Harrells tuner made it Lot insensitive. I have 7 Lots that group the same.
Very nice, I do want to get my hands on that stuff. Thanks for sharing. cheers
considering the cci std can be had for under 4$ a box it punches way above its price point
I do have a bunch of CCI SV, for the price yes you are correct. Some guns shoot SV phenomenally. This gun shoots it just ok. Definitely a solid choice.
Can yall order ammo from the states? Not sure how that goes. If you can I know a place you can get a healthy amount of that federal gmm
Hi Steph, thanks for the videos, very good! I practice precision shooting at 50m. I'm on the fence about buying a $2,000 Anschutz or the $1,500 CZ457 LRP. What advice would you give me? Thanks.
I’ve shot very few Anschutz in my life and from what I can see they are very good. I really don’t think they will disappoint.
I guess it boils down to why you want it and what do you want to use it for? Competition? Enjoy shooting for shooting sake? Beating your friends? Plinking?
For myself, I love taking a gun and getting it to shoot the best it can and I love beating my buddies and I don’t do competitions and I love sharing my data with others. So, my CZ 457 MTR does the job perfectly. Is it as good as a Anschutz or Vudoo? No. But man she shoots good. My buddy shoots the LRP and results in general are very similar. Just a sexier looking gun then my MTR.
I’m not going to decide for you because I think deep down inside you might already know which one you want. Both are fantastic man.
Let me know which one you pick!
This guy I like just got an Anschutz! Looks like he good a good one. I don’t know if they all shoot like that but his is unreal.
ua-cam.com/video/l0tnsZpMHIs/v-deo.html
@@AvidhunterDupuis Thank you Steph, very good question. I shoot for sport and participate in local competitions, but I have half a dozen Anschutz competing with me. I believe that CZ would do the job, but I will push harder and go straight to Anschutz, it should be a lifetime investment and I will be satisfied with the results. Thanks again.
Exactly you are spot on, a life time of great shooting. Many would recommend to buy the best you can afford and the same is true for good glass (scope). Cheers man, enjoy
Huge problems getting .22 ammo at the moment, well at least in Europe. My go to ammo for my 457 MTR 20" is for training CCI standard, and for competition SK Rifle Match. Just one side note, I sort my match ammo by weight and rim thickness.
I get it man. I’m fortunate that two shops in my province stocked a lot of good stuff. I look for the shops who don’t sell ammo online.
SV and SK Rifle Match are two solid loads.
Yes cool, I have not gotten to weight sorting at this point.
You are loosing your time. Your rifle and comp ammo both are not best choice ether. Good luck
@@cz503 I tested 25 different ammo types, with the rifle in a clamp. Three types of ammo had the same result, Eley ten x, Lapua Midas and SK rifle match. Five rounds and a 0.28 inch hole at 50 mtrs. need I say more.
@@geordiegeorge9041 Past 100 in middle 200 yards range is the distance where your rifle and ammo will show weakness. You need match barrel and good stock , good trigger then spend money on ammo.
@@cz503 Here where I live the maximum competition distance with a .22lr rifle is 50 meters, we can shoot out to 300 meters for the fun of it. But all competitions are restricted to 50 meters.
if you can try Norma Tac 22 it shoot really well out of my MTR and its really cheap.
Ok I’ll try it. Thanks for the message. Cheers
Norma TAC-22 shoots well out of one of my pistols.
I've got an atlas bipod with quick release that works with a pic rail. Are you saying that you can get a pic rail to mount on the CZ or is it a different type of rail? Thanks
I put a Area 419 Improved bipod pic rail on my MTR. Now, because they were screwed in swivel studs I drilled out the holes to add the rail but yes that is exactly right.
What brand cheek riser is that? I’m shopping now for my MTR.
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like CRAZY to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on.
I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
@@AvidhunterDupuis Awesome, thanks for the reply. Yeah not crazy about drilling into the stock, though I just did to put arca rail on.
What check riser is on your CZ Varment MRT?
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like crazy to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on.
I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
What type of check rest is it? Thanks in advance!
Beartooth’s Comb Raising Kit. It’s tight like crazy to put on, but once it’s on, it’s on.
I didn’t want to drill a hole in my stock so I made this work.
Thanks Sir!
Your gun chamber is made for lapua ammo. Not eley.
I’m not sure how you are measuring your groups. But the numbers are way off. A .240 group. The bullets will almost touch each other. Center to center is how to measure. Measure the outside to outside of the furthest two shots and subtract.220 from that. That’s the bore size. That will be you measurements center to center. The Eley .24 group you show is close to a half inch group.
Yes so the correct way to measure a group Center to Center: I take my digital calipers, and I measuring outside edge of a bullet to the very outside edge of a bullet hole. Aka measuring the very outside edge of the two bullets that are the furthest distance apart. That’s comes in at 0.438 ( yes it looks like just under half inch) minus the width of a bullet (0.223)= giving you a perfect Center to Center group measurement of 0.215”. Make sense?
The bullet is almost 1/4”. If you shot 5 shots in one perfect hole would you call that a group of 0 C to C ? Or a group of 0.223”? We are measuring Center to Center. Hope that makes sense.
@@AvidhunterDupuis all 5 in the same hole will be a 0.000 center to center group. You measure center of the hole to the center of the hole.
A .240 group will have all 5 shots touching each other. The Eley Tenex group that you have marked .240 looks like a 0.400- 0.450 size group.
Yeah so I just measured that one again and I’m getting a 0.470” outside measurement. 0.247” so it could be rounded up.
Lol I have no reason to lie about my groups. I just let the callipers tell me the story.
I actually wish it was better. I expected better results from the Tenex.
I’m finding that the Eley team and Tenex make nice clean holes compared the messy holes of everything else as they are designed to do. How would you measure it? Do you just throw the callipers middle to middle and kinda guess the middle? You make a good point because it does look odd.
@@AvidhunterDupuis Just want you to be able to compare group sizes with everyone. wasnt trying to irritate you. Your .240 groups are twice the size of my .240 groups. A .240 group will have only .020 gap between bullets touching. You have plenty of room to fit a bullet between your outside holes. that makes it around .400 group. No big deal. I just look at the group, not the numbers.
Have you ev÷r shot Norma tac 22 or match
Not yet. Hopefully soon.
But that is only 50 yds
You seem particularly pickled tink about your gun, ammo, and testing. You should as those targets prove. Thanks for sharing.
you need a new tshirt
My wife tells me the same thing…
You are too picky, take your rifle to the factory and find the exact lot number that it shoots the best 😮
That ruins the fun of testing my friend. Lol yes of course I can do that. The highest end ammo should shoot really good. The real purpose for the test is to find the best shooting Medium and low end bullets to be more cost effective as well.
Cheers