Jason Todd being the dead Robin, along with Jimmy Olsen being impersonated by a CIA agent in BvS were two fan theories that I appreciated, personally. The entirety of WW84 being a dream, and Diana being under the influence of Maxwell Lord’s true power is also a great one.
There's not a single idea proposed in this video that I didn't really enjoy. Literally every single one of these would've made those movies better. Great work!
The watchmen one and the jason todd joker one got me hooked even during 2015 when 1st trailer of bvs appeared. But, the main problem of dceu was bvs and in it moments like 'peach tea' and worst of all 'martha'
The Martha one is extremely misunderstood, on paper it sounds dumb as fuck and something out of a parody, but when you deep it, it makes sense, Batman spared superman because his one concern in his dying moments contradicted everything Bruce thought of the alien, his humanity showed through when he begged Bruce to save Martha
@@ravenouspuncher yeah, “your parents probably taught you that you mean something” or whatever the quote was, it doesn’t change the context of the scene that Bruce spares Clark because he was concerned with his mothers safety than his own life, and the connection of them having the same mothers name is a nice nod, he couldn’t save his Martha, the whole reason of becoming Batman was to make sure that no one would have to go through what he went through, no one would have to lose another Martha in the world, which is why he says “Martha won’t die tonight”
@@thabsoffical.-8742 Nope. Not at all. It makes the scene dumber. Also , this batman is a 55 year old guy. Hearing the name martha wouldnt cause him ptsd. You mean to tell he hasnt heard martha ever in his life after becoming batman ??. Next, the whole context is stupid. In the whole damn movie bruce is concerned about safety of the world ( his 1% speech). Why tf would he abandon that due to hearing ' matha'. LOL. This is why snyder, wb , terrio are hacks. Even a child has more IQ than the IQ of all these trolls combined.
@@thabsoffical.-8742 That doesn't stop it from being the dumbest fucking thing on the face of the earth. A better alternative would be Batman just using his damn brain.
3:20 - Watchmen 5:55 - Man of Steel 9:50 - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) 11:22 - Suicide Squad 14:19 - Wonder Woman 15:56 - Justice League
Jason Todd Joker would've been an insane and amazing turn. Would also calm down some controversy regarding Jared Leto's casting. And could tie in to the Joker movie revealing at the end that Phoenix is the real Joker, and lead to a Batman movie or series of movies centered around this whole story that's been built. Maybe writers should sometimes give a look to some of these fan theories because, among an admittedly vast ocean of bs, there are some hidden gems that might lead to great ideas.
No offence, but this theory is not and has never been one of those "gems". So no, I think writers staying away from fan theories is best for all of our sanity.
The Joker movie could have been similar to The Dark Knight Returns. But instead of the joker going completely catatonic, he become sane and pursues a normal life after Batmans disappearance. But when batman comes back, he slowly becomes the Joker again.
Joaquin Phoenix being the Joker will never work. It only works in the context of that film because it's a standalone story and he's not being portrayed as a Batman villain. Joker is not meant to be sympathetic and he doesn't work when he's sympathetic.
I believe even after bvs , dceu could have been saved had they not done suicide squad ( everything was shite including margot robbie). So, we replace suicide squad with wonder woman in 2016 and have ben affleck's the batman in summer of 2017. I have no doubt affleck's batman would have been received tremendously well. But for 2017 batman , arkham asylum would have been perfect. Deathstroke for a later sequel. So, you have 3 beloved trinity characters ( cavill's superman was loved too to a large extent). Then come snydercut JL in 2017 and we get a salvaged universe going forward. In 2018 , I would have had flash and green lantern. Cyborg does not need a movie. In 2019, mos 2 and batman 2. Mos 2 would have brainiac and lex as villains with darkseid appearing and setting up JL2. Affleck's 2nd batman movie would have deathstroke as the villain with court of owls. In 2020 , JL 2 could have released and the universe could have concluded in JL in 2022. That was it !!!
Huh never heard the theory of this turning into the injustice universe but that would have been perfect Batman kills superman kills the robins are dead and everyone are dark as hell
I have thoughts I would love to share and get opinions on. It's not really a fan theory, but more of a fan re-do. Here goes. If DC had been put in my hands the first thing I would have done is pretty reshoot the entire Flash movie. Instead of Ezra Miller playing a dual role, younger Barry Allen would be played by Finn Wolfhard because I think him and Ezra Miller look very similar to each other and he's exactly ten years younger, so it adds up perfectly. Michael Keaton would be replaced by Jeffrey Dean Morgan's Thomas Wayne Batman. I would remove Supergirl and bring Henry Cavill back as Subject One, and use the same head replacement CGI they done with Chris Evans in the first Captain America movie. The rest of the movie would play out same as it did only with Thoman Wayne Batman and Subject One dying. Instead of young Barry going nuts, the two Barry's work together, but something happens causing them to merg together into one person. Finn Wolfhard is the new Barry Allen going forward. The ending would take place in the Batcave in present day 2023. Barry is now ten years younger than he was before, but he still has all of older Barry's memories and knowledge. Affleck Batman is confused to way Barry is now younger, but Barry fills him in on the details and gives him a letter from his father. The last last shot is Alfred coming in and saying and telling Bruce there's a problem at Arkham. After The Flash, I'd reshoot all of Mera's Aquaman 2 scenes with Rebecca Ferguson because there's no sense releasing a movie that people are gonna boycott. After Aquaman 2, the next movie would be a reworking of Affleck's The Batman script and it would be called "Shadow Of The Bat". It would also introduce Dick Grayson/Nightwing, and Barbara Gordon/Oracle. Mary Elizabeth Winstead's Huntress would have a cameo and so Cassandra Cain, but I'm unsure if I would keep Ella Jay Basco or recast. Probably recast because she would become Batgirl in the next Batman movie, "No Man's Land" The movie would end with a big earthquake hitting Gotham to set it up. A few things are different in this new timeline. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor Jr. is gone and replaced with his father Lex Sr. played by Billy Zane. I'd keep Jared Leto as the Joker, but the tattoos and grill would be gone, and he wouldn't be the gangster type seen in Suicide Squad. Something more along the lines of the Joker that eventually has Dollmaker cut his face off... But yeah, there you go. I've got more, but I'm tired of typing, lol.
@@GigalassII Well that's your fuck up, buddy because I do replace Ezra Miller with Finn Wolfhard. I literally set that up two sentences into the goddamn thing. I gave a reason within the story why he's replaced with a different actor and by the end of The Flash, our new Barry Allen is Finn Wolfhard. Just randomly recasting the role is bullshit. I care more about storytelling and continuity than I do an actor offending people's sensibilities. I could give a shit less what these actors do in their personal lives. I'm in it for the stories. Nothing more. I do replace him though. You made yourself look like a complete asshole for no reason at all. Jumping to conclusions is never the smart thing to do.
It would’ve been wild if Superboy Prime showed up, complete with classic outfit and Brandon Routh comes back as an older Superman from the Christopher Reeves era. Just a way to kinda reboot the snyderverse, along with the eventual Flashpoint movie that would finalize the reboot. Just a way to lead up to the James Gunn universe. Otherwise I would have been fine if they just let Snyder finish his universe. A lot of people didn’t know his universe was suppose to have an ending. After which they could’ve just rebooted after JL3… which I assumed was the plan. Oh well 🤷
I think most of these ideas could work, especially the Joker and Grayson one, with a quick note that in BvS Bruce would be taking Venom Pills to prepare to take on Superman, with him quitting them at the end of the film. I would also expand on the Watchmen side of the world by having Metropolis built after NYC's destruction to replace what that city was for America, with Alexander Luthor Sr building large parts of the city. In 1988 Luthor Sr defeats Nixon to become president, which he serves 7 terms. When his son "Lex" Luthor creates Doomsday and is arrested in BvS President Luthor becomes unpopular and loses to Jefferson Pierce in 2016, who gets rid of all the previous superhero bans. I have some ideas for movies to follow these ideas: 2018 Joker & Harley Quinn: Following Joker and Harley's escape at the end of Suicide Squad they go on a Bonnie and Clyde rampage across the US which Batman and Nightwing are trying to stop, with Carrie Kelly Robin staying in Gotham to get her first real crimefighting experience. Joker and Harley's relationship is explored further here, with it being an abusive one which eventually ends with Harley hitting him with a bat and leaving him for the dynamic duo. However it will be explained that the Jason side of Joker does actually love Harley while the Joker side only sees her as a tool. Bruce and Dick manage to break the jokerisation of Jason once and for all, with the scene ending with the three of them embracing as Jason cries in their arms. Post credit scenes tease Jason becoming Red Hood and the family returning to Gotham to meet with Robin, who talk of her fighting a gang with venom pills calling themselves the Mutants. Setting up them and Bane for the solo Batman movie, which I could see Zack Synder doing. 2019 Joker: Instead on an elseworlds story this film will tell the story of the original Joker in the DCEU. 2019 Shazam: Same movie just connecting the Shazam mythos to the half breed Kryptonians by the Wizard having gotten his powers partially from half breeds like Achilles and Hercules. He picked a sucessor, Teth-Adam but he went rogue and was locked away in the Rock of Eternity. The film makes a point to say that due to Dr. Savana's actions he unknowingly released Black Adam. 2020 Gotham City Sirens: Chnage from Birds of Prey to the original plan of the Gotham City Sirens. Following Joker & Harley, Harley has to live without the Joker. Having a relationship with Poison Ivy before meeting Catwoman and her proteg Holly Robinson after she stole a dimanond from Black Mask. From here the movie is pretty similar just with Commissioner Gordon being in it and explaining where Batman is, saying that he is away from Gotham investigating some large threat, teasing a future film. Nightwing is busy in Bludhaven and Robin cameos at the end of the film to meet the Sirens. A post credit scene sees Harley captured by Amanda Waller, teasing the next Squad movie. 2020 Trinity: Sons of Ares Replacing Wonder Woman 1984 with atrinity film exploring the male half breed Kryptonians teased in Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Justice League and Gotham City Sirens. They had created the Council of Immortals as they age very slowly and are basically immortal except for when up against other Kryptonians, with Vandal Savage as their leader. Batman focuses on taking down the League of Assassins, a scetion of the Council, with Superman while Diana tries attacking the Council head on. After the League is defeated Clark Kent realises that there is very little he can do against the Council if they stay hidden, so he uses the Daily Planet to expose their existence to the world amd draw them out. After this the Trinity get together and actually develop their special relationship with each other. The Sons of Ares reveal to Diana that she is the daughter of Ares, using this to try recruit her but thus fails as she unites with the Trinity to put a stop to the Council of Immortals and Vandal Savage. 2021 The Suicide Squad = The same. 2022 SHAZAM vs Black Adam: Replacing the Black Adam film with SHAZAM going against Black Adam(ideally not Dwayne Johnson) after he awakens due to the consequences of the SHAZAM movie. The Justice Society doesnt exist here, being replaced by the Marvel Family. However just like every vs movie ever they all team up to fight a bigger threat, Sabbac. Sabbac injuries nearly the whole Marvel Family and kills Freddie, causing the rest except Mary to give up their powers. Sabbac is killed by the end of the film. The post credit scenes see Shazam being recruited into the Justice League and Black Adam meeting Superman, with the latter telling Teth to stay in Kahndaq which he tookover as the worlds first meta-human world leader. Teasing Mannof Steel 2. 2022 The Batman: Instead of an elseworlds film this The Batman is in the DCEU starring Ben Affleck in a film very similar to what that movie was going to be, just change out Deathstroke with Bane, Carrie Kelly Robin taking down the Mutants and Red Hood appearing. After going through all his villains in Arkham Batman is worn out and is seconds away from having his back broken when Red Hood saves him, teaming up with Bruce and Carrie to takedown Bane. With a post credit scene teasing the Injustice League. 2023 Aquaman 2 = The Same 2023 Justice League Part Two: Luthor Sr is angry at his sons imprisonment and him losing power, so he forms the Injustice League with his son - who escaped Arkham in The Batman - along with the JL's villains like Black Manta, Bane etc. They use Batmans contingencies on his teammates, expanding and ending his paranoia journey throughout the DCEU, to nearly defeat the League before they are eventually stopped. With Superman fighting and defeating Luthor Sr in his mech suit, something seen by the world, only pushing the boundaries of what meta-humans can do as he just beat up the longest serving president in this worlds history. The end of the film sees Darkseid arrive on Earth after a bitter Luthor gave him Earths coordinates right before he was defeated. Darkseid destroys a weakened League that had previously kicked out Batman and spreads Anti-Life across the Earth. 2023 Blue Beetle = The same. 2024 Justice League Part Three: Following the remaining heroes in the Knightmare world as they work to undo what Darkseid had done. Eventually doing so by going back in time or something and resulting in Batman killing Darkseid but being killed in the process. This can act as either the end of the first saga in the DCEU, with a possible direction to go from here to make the fan theory of the DCEU leading to an adaptation of Injustice. After the gradual escalation of superheroes in this world from their debut in the 40s, to Dr Manhattan, Superman, Black Adam taking over a country, Aquaman being in charge of 2/3rds of the world and Superman beating down on a former President; Superman snaps at the death of Lois or something and creates the Regime to control the world (in this case I wouldn't have Superman controlled by Darkseid in any JL movie and wouldn't kill Batman off in JL3). Either that or a buidup to then adaptation of the Doomsday Clock storyline. Or The Flash can end the DCEU and reboot it into James Gunn's DCU.
As much as I loved the castings and some of the dceu films like shazam 1, Zack Snyder’s Justice League, Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Suicide Squad I just know we’re getting a classic DC universe now. James Gunn is a huge comic book fan and he will do stick to the essence of whatever character he’s adapting. It’s already showed by making the whole Superman vibe very bright and lighthearted. Hell he even gave Superman the Kingdom Come symbol for the DCU which for a lot of us comic fans is such a cool detail. He’s also doing Jimmy Olsen, the whole daily bugle staff, supergirl etc. I already have a feeling this universe will be much closer to the mainline versions of the characters and I for one am very exited but can still say that I enjoyed a good bit of the DCEU. I’m sad that Cavill and Affleck and the others (except Ezra) are gone and I do think they really could’ve handled the Henry situation with more class as he did not deserve to be done the way they did.
Do you have a theory about how The Batman and Joker sequels could be connected? I believe Warner Bros. should go forward with these films, if they'll continue to be received well, instead of Gunn-verse.
Not gonna lie having dick grayson carrie kelly and Jason todd being in these films would be great. Also I think having Steve Trevor be an else world version of the jla version of the first gl would be better
I have a great theory and i dont think that anyone has thought of this. Hear me out. The dceu and james gunn dcu is connected. The dceu represents the new 52 they have the same flaws that was complained by fans. The weird adaptation of superman and how we barley had anytime to care for the characters like the new 52. And james gunn dcu is like dc rebirth its more hopeful and more mythological and less realistic. Now after the flash movie barry rebooted everything turning the dceu to james gunn world so like the dceu to dc rebirth thats why were getting new characters other then zack Snyder Justice league like green lantern damain wayne booster gold or swamp thing
Outside of the Watchmen theory, I think all these theories were great/fantastic, and I wish all of these were canon. Except for the Watchmen one. I'm sorry, but the Watchmen one was just too out there for me. But the rest, are great. I love them.
So Snyder stole his Amazon origin from marvels 2000 ripoff of the justice league? Supreme power by stracynski had this origin for Hyperion and power princess.
Honestly if Jared was joker 2/jason Todd then if in this universe they still made the joker film with phoenix than that film could have been the origins of the original joker
12:43 Oh 😂 it wasn’t Joker who tortured Dick, it was Batman😑. Yeah Franker Miller made the Dark Knight returns take place in the same universe as All Star Batman and Robin. Aka the comic were Batman kidnapped Dick Grayson, made him eat rats in the Bat Cave, threatened Alfred for giving Dick and actually proper meal. Burns criminals alive with bleach, and hookup with Black Canary a few feet from the still alive still burning criminals. Oh yeah and he fired Dick from being Robin, despite literally kidnapping him and in his own words “drafting him into a war.”
What should have happened was they moved immediately to the Teen Titans, and reveal the Justice League were captured and imprisoned by Darkseid after the end of the first first film. That way they could push aside the disappointing team and have younger, fresher faces capture the audience.
Here's how you save the DCEU - since most of the problems are rooted in BvS, you do the following: Change it so that Batman and Superman are not fighting each other because they want to measure the size of each other's D but because Superman decides to become an asset of the state, since every move he makes is met with outcry and protests after the Metropolis incident. He does this because he believes it will improve his public perception. Batman tries to warn him against this but Superman does it anyway. As Superman continues to go about his business and Batman continues to investigate the activities of Lex Luthor, the government (who would be represented by Amanda Waller - this is where you could introduce her into the universe) tasks him to go after Batman. Batman anticipates this as he knows they've been wanting to get rid of him for a long time. He steals the kryptonite from Lex, same as the movie, and laces his armour with it to get him on equal footing with Superman. They fight, and Batman is once again about to kill Superman just as in the film (minus the shit dialogue), but is interrupted by Wonder Woman. Both Bruce and Clark are bewildered to see her, but she simply walks over to Bruce and hands him the device she stole from him to hack Lex Corp servers. She tells them both that they're fighting the wrong enemy and that whatever is on the Drive is vital information that she believes concerns her, but she doesn't know how to crack it, asking Bruce to do it instead. Bats and Supes begrudgingly walk away from each other on shaky terms, but Bruce agrees. In a post-credits scene, Bruce hacks the files and sees Lex's data on the metahumans. At the same time, Flash's cameo takes place, only instead of a dream or whatever, it's an actual real time event. The scene ends with Bruce staring into space wondering what the fuck just happened. Cut to black.
Don’t get me wrong the movie suicide squad was bad but there are two things about it. I really love actually a couple things one I liked the costume for dead shot. He did a pretty good shot honestly second Diablo was the best character in the entire movie and I loved him for every second. He was on screen bye far my favorite character. He looked sick when he got all big and what not.❤
Nope. I like your takes, it's not that, but none of these work for me. Probably because the idea of a universal coherent shared DC universe was always a bad one. Unlike Marvel where Stan Lee enforced shared universe rules right from the start, DC has for most of its existance hosted a multitude of alternative realities and and weird stand-alones. Some heroes have cross-overs, others don't. Some live in the world where Superman is a thing, others never ever mention him. Sometimes there's ghost and vampires and magic, othertimes the world has only super science. And that's ok. It is how DC was built and all efforts to collapse the complexity into a single format has made the universe worse off. And also Snyder is a storytelling moron who should never have been given world design authoritization in the first place.
@@kaustubhpalkar792 Like I said, he's an idiot who can't write. He makes visually stunning images but he can't tell a good story to save his life. He doesn't understand character development and is bad at plot. He also doesn't like the source material, or when he does like something good (watchmen or dark knight returns) his understanding of why it's good stops at "Whoah, so badass!" Finally he's a fanboy of Ayn Rand and thinks that Atlas Shrugged is well written and really smart.
The Kryptonian Amazons theory makes so much sense. The pod crashing down on earth and then the gods taking in the surviving Kryptonians and banishing the sons would make a very interesting plot and tie Clark and Diana together not with a forced romance plot but they could be almost like siblings working together and developing a bond as they work together to find out the mystery of the lost Amazonian/Kryptonian men. Perhaps one of them could be Ares.
Jason Todd being the dead Robin, along with Jimmy Olsen being impersonated by a CIA agent in BvS were two fan theories that I appreciated, personally. The entirety of WW84 being a dream, and Diana being under the influence of Maxwell Lord’s true power is also a great one.
Jenna Malone should’ve been Barbara Gordon
this was probably one of the best rewrites of the DCEU I've seen, great stuff.
There's not a single idea proposed in this video that I didn't really enjoy. Literally every single one of these would've made those movies better. Great work!
The watchmen one and the jason todd joker one got me hooked even during 2015 when 1st trailer of bvs appeared. But, the main problem of dceu was bvs and in it moments like 'peach tea' and worst of all 'martha'
The Martha one is extremely misunderstood, on paper it sounds dumb as fuck and something out of a parody, but when you deep it, it makes sense, Batman spared superman because his one concern in his dying moments contradicted everything Bruce thought of the alien, his humanity showed through when he begged Bruce to save Martha
@@thabsoffical.-8742 lol no because 2 min prior bruce says your parents taught. The scene is incredibly dumb .
@@ravenouspuncher yeah, “your parents probably taught you that you mean something” or whatever the quote was, it doesn’t change the context of the scene that Bruce spares Clark because he was concerned with his mothers safety than his own life, and the connection of them having the same mothers name is a nice nod, he couldn’t save his Martha, the whole reason of becoming Batman was to make sure that no one would have to go through what he went through, no one would have to lose another Martha in the world, which is why he says “Martha won’t die tonight”
@@thabsoffical.-8742 Nope. Not at all. It makes the scene dumber. Also , this batman is a 55 year old guy. Hearing the name martha wouldnt cause him ptsd. You mean to tell he hasnt heard martha ever in his life after becoming batman ??.
Next, the whole context is stupid. In the whole damn movie bruce is concerned about safety of the world ( his 1% speech). Why tf would he abandon that due to hearing ' matha'. LOL.
This is why snyder, wb , terrio are hacks. Even a child has more IQ than the IQ of all these trolls combined.
@@thabsoffical.-8742 That doesn't stop it from being the dumbest fucking thing on the face of the earth. A better alternative would be Batman just using his damn brain.
3:20 - Watchmen
5:55 - Man of Steel
9:50 - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition)
11:22 - Suicide Squad
14:19 - Wonder Woman
15:56 - Justice League
Dr Manhattan floats down to the battlefield after everyone has left.
"The future is empty, I cannot see... I feel... free."
Jason Todd Joker would've been an insane and amazing turn. Would also calm down some controversy regarding Jared Leto's casting. And could tie in to the Joker movie revealing at the end that Phoenix is the real Joker, and lead to a Batman movie or series of movies centered around this whole story that's been built.
Maybe writers should sometimes give a look to some of these fan theories because, among an admittedly vast ocean of bs, there are some hidden gems that might lead to great ideas.
No offence, but this theory is not and has never been one of those "gems". So no, I think writers staying away from fan theories is best for all of our sanity.
The Joker movie could have been similar to The Dark Knight Returns. But instead of the joker going completely catatonic, he become sane and pursues a normal life after Batmans disappearance. But when batman comes back, he slowly becomes the Joker again.
@@punjabicommie1215 Holy shit.
Joaquin Phoenix being the Joker will never work. It only works in the context of that film because it's a standalone story and he's not being portrayed as a Batman villain. Joker is not meant to be sympathetic and he doesn't work when he's sympathetic.
The whole "BatSlade" theory that connected it to the Dark Knight Trilogy was ridiculous but i kind of liked it
Watchmen being a part of the Snyderverse would given the universe much more depth
I believe even after bvs , dceu could have been saved had they not done suicide squad ( everything was shite including margot robbie). So, we replace suicide squad with wonder woman in 2016 and have ben affleck's the batman in summer of 2017. I have no doubt affleck's batman would have been received tremendously well. But for 2017 batman , arkham asylum would have been perfect. Deathstroke for a later sequel.
So, you have 3 beloved trinity characters ( cavill's superman was loved too to a large extent).
Then come snydercut JL in 2017 and we get a salvaged universe going forward.
In 2018 , I would have had flash and green lantern. Cyborg does not need a movie.
In 2019, mos 2 and batman 2. Mos 2 would have brainiac and lex as villains with darkseid appearing and setting up JL2.
Affleck's 2nd batman movie would have deathstroke as the villain with court of owls.
In 2020 , JL 2 could have released and the universe could have concluded in JL in 2022. That was it !!!
W.B think they know best and when they don't get involved look at the Nolanverse.
Huh never heard the theory of this turning into the injustice universe but that would have been perfect Batman kills superman kills the robins are dead and everyone are dark as hell
I have thoughts I would love to share and get opinions on. It's not really a fan theory, but more of a fan re-do. Here goes.
If DC had been put in my hands the first thing I would have done is pretty reshoot the entire Flash movie. Instead of Ezra Miller playing a dual role, younger Barry Allen would be played by Finn Wolfhard because I think him and Ezra Miller look very similar to each other and he's exactly ten years younger, so it adds up perfectly. Michael Keaton would be replaced by Jeffrey Dean Morgan's Thomas Wayne Batman. I would remove Supergirl and bring Henry Cavill back as Subject One, and use the same head replacement CGI they done with Chris Evans in the first Captain America movie. The rest of the movie would play out same as it did only with Thoman Wayne Batman and Subject One dying. Instead of young Barry going nuts, the two Barry's work together, but something happens causing them to merg together into one person. Finn Wolfhard is the new Barry Allen going forward. The ending would take place in the Batcave in present day 2023. Barry is now ten years younger than he was before, but he still has all of older Barry's memories and knowledge. Affleck Batman is confused to way Barry is now younger, but Barry fills him in on the details and gives him a letter from his father. The last last shot is Alfred coming in and saying and telling Bruce there's a problem at Arkham.
After The Flash, I'd reshoot all of Mera's Aquaman 2 scenes with Rebecca Ferguson because there's no sense releasing a movie that people are gonna boycott. After Aquaman 2, the next movie would be a reworking of Affleck's The Batman script and it would be called "Shadow Of The Bat". It would also introduce Dick Grayson/Nightwing, and Barbara Gordon/Oracle. Mary Elizabeth Winstead's Huntress would have a cameo and so Cassandra Cain, but I'm unsure if I would keep Ella Jay Basco or recast. Probably recast because she would become Batgirl in the next Batman movie, "No Man's Land" The movie would end with a big earthquake hitting Gotham to set it up.
A few things are different in this new timeline.
Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor Jr. is gone and replaced with his father Lex Sr. played by Billy Zane.
I'd keep Jared Leto as the Joker, but the tattoos and grill would be gone, and he wouldn't be the gangster type seen in Suicide Squad. Something more along the lines of the Joker that eventually has Dollmaker cut his face off... But yeah, there you go.
I've got more, but I'm tired of typing, lol.
You lost my attention and my respect when you didn't replace Ezra, literally stopped reading.
@@GigalassII Well that's your fuck up, buddy because I do replace Ezra Miller with Finn Wolfhard. I literally set that up two sentences into the goddamn thing. I gave a reason within the story why he's replaced with a different actor and by the end of The Flash, our new Barry Allen is Finn Wolfhard. Just randomly recasting the role is bullshit. I care more about storytelling and continuity than I do an actor offending people's sensibilities. I could give a shit less what these actors do in their personal lives. I'm in it for the stories. Nothing more. I do replace him though. You made yourself look like a complete asshole for no reason at all. Jumping to conclusions is never the smart thing to do.
It would’ve been wild if Superboy Prime showed up, complete with classic outfit and Brandon Routh comes back as an older Superman from the Christopher Reeves era. Just a way to kinda reboot the snyderverse, along with the eventual Flashpoint movie that would finalize the reboot. Just a way to lead up to the James Gunn universe. Otherwise I would have been fine if they just let Snyder finish his universe. A lot of people didn’t know his universe was suppose to have an ending. After which they could’ve just rebooted after JL3… which I assumed was the plan. Oh well 🤷
Snyder has probably never read a superman comic pre crisis
Honestly, a lot of ideas could work. It honestly depends on execution.
i am genuinely amazed that the DCEU is not acknowledged by everyone who has a brain that it is an elseworld story
I think most of these ideas could work, especially the Joker and Grayson one, with a quick note that in BvS Bruce would be taking Venom Pills to prepare to take on Superman, with him quitting them at the end of the film. I would also expand on the Watchmen side of the world by having Metropolis built after NYC's destruction to replace what that city was for America, with Alexander Luthor Sr building large parts of the city. In 1988 Luthor Sr defeats Nixon to become president, which he serves 7 terms. When his son "Lex" Luthor creates Doomsday and is arrested in BvS President Luthor becomes unpopular and loses to Jefferson Pierce in 2016, who gets rid of all the previous superhero bans. I have some ideas for movies to follow these ideas:
2018 Joker & Harley Quinn:
Following Joker and Harley's escape at the end of Suicide Squad they go on a Bonnie and Clyde rampage across the US which Batman and Nightwing are trying to stop, with Carrie Kelly Robin staying in Gotham to get her first real crimefighting experience.
Joker and Harley's relationship is explored further here, with it being an abusive one which eventually ends with Harley hitting him with a bat and leaving him for the dynamic duo. However it will be explained that the Jason side of Joker does actually love Harley while the Joker side only sees her as a tool. Bruce and Dick manage to break the jokerisation of Jason once and for all, with the scene ending with the three of them embracing as Jason cries in their arms. Post credit scenes tease Jason becoming Red Hood and the family returning to Gotham to meet with Robin, who talk of her fighting a gang with venom pills calling themselves the Mutants. Setting up them and Bane for the solo Batman movie, which I could see Zack Synder doing.
2019 Joker:
Instead on an elseworlds story this film will tell the story of the original Joker in the DCEU.
2019 Shazam:
Same movie just connecting the Shazam mythos to the half breed Kryptonians by the Wizard having gotten his powers partially from half breeds like Achilles and Hercules. He picked a sucessor, Teth-Adam but he went rogue and was locked away in the Rock of Eternity. The film makes a point to say that due to Dr. Savana's actions he unknowingly released Black Adam.
2020 Gotham City Sirens:
Chnage from Birds of Prey to the original plan of the Gotham City Sirens. Following Joker & Harley, Harley has to live without the Joker. Having a relationship with Poison Ivy before meeting Catwoman and her proteg Holly Robinson after she stole a dimanond from Black Mask. From here the movie is pretty similar just with Commissioner Gordon being in it and explaining where Batman is, saying that he is away from Gotham investigating some large threat, teasing a future film. Nightwing is busy in Bludhaven and Robin cameos at the end of the film to meet the Sirens. A post credit scene sees Harley captured by Amanda Waller, teasing the next Squad movie.
2020 Trinity: Sons of Ares
Replacing Wonder Woman 1984 with atrinity film exploring the male half breed Kryptonians teased in Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Justice League and Gotham City Sirens. They had created the Council of Immortals as they age very slowly and are basically immortal except for when up against other Kryptonians, with Vandal Savage as their leader.
Batman focuses on taking down the League of Assassins, a scetion of the Council, with Superman while Diana tries attacking the Council head on. After the League is defeated Clark Kent realises that there is very little he can do against the Council if they stay hidden, so he uses the Daily Planet to expose their existence to the world amd draw them out. After this the Trinity get together and actually develop their special relationship with each other. The Sons of Ares reveal to Diana that she is the daughter of Ares, using this to try recruit her but thus fails as she unites with the Trinity to put a stop to the Council of Immortals and Vandal Savage.
2021 The Suicide Squad = The same.
2022 SHAZAM vs Black Adam:
Replacing the Black Adam film with SHAZAM going against Black Adam(ideally not Dwayne Johnson) after he awakens due to the consequences of the SHAZAM movie. The Justice Society doesnt exist here, being replaced by the Marvel Family. However just like every vs movie ever they all team up to fight a bigger threat, Sabbac. Sabbac injuries nearly the whole Marvel Family and kills Freddie, causing the rest except Mary to give up their powers. Sabbac is killed by the end of the film. The post credit scenes see Shazam being recruited into the Justice League and Black Adam meeting Superman, with the latter telling Teth to stay in Kahndaq which he tookover as the worlds first meta-human world leader. Teasing Mannof Steel 2.
2022 The Batman:
Instead of an elseworlds film this The Batman is in the DCEU starring Ben Affleck in a film very similar to what that movie was going to be, just change out Deathstroke with Bane, Carrie Kelly Robin taking down the Mutants and Red Hood appearing. After going through all his villains in Arkham Batman is worn out and is seconds away from having his back broken when Red Hood saves him, teaming up with Bruce and Carrie to takedown Bane. With a post credit scene teasing the Injustice League.
2023 Aquaman 2 = The Same
2023 Justice League Part Two:
Luthor Sr is angry at his sons imprisonment and him losing power, so he forms the Injustice League with his son - who escaped Arkham in The Batman - along with the JL's villains like Black Manta, Bane etc. They use Batmans contingencies on his teammates, expanding and ending his paranoia journey throughout the DCEU, to nearly defeat the League before they are eventually stopped. With Superman fighting and defeating Luthor Sr in his mech suit, something seen by the world, only pushing the boundaries of what meta-humans can do as he just beat up the longest serving president in this worlds history.
The end of the film sees Darkseid arrive on Earth after a bitter Luthor gave him Earths coordinates right before he was defeated. Darkseid destroys a weakened League that had previously kicked out Batman and spreads Anti-Life across the Earth.
2023 Blue Beetle = The same.
2024 Justice League Part Three:
Following the remaining heroes in the Knightmare world as they work to undo what Darkseid had done. Eventually doing so by going back in time or something and resulting in Batman killing Darkseid but being killed in the process.
This can act as either the end of the first saga in the DCEU, with a possible direction to go from here to make the fan theory of the DCEU leading to an adaptation of Injustice. After the gradual escalation of superheroes in this world from their debut in the 40s, to Dr Manhattan, Superman, Black Adam taking over a country, Aquaman being in charge of 2/3rds of the world and Superman beating down on a former President; Superman snaps at the death of Lois or something and creates the Regime to control the world (in this case I wouldn't have Superman controlled by Darkseid in any JL movie and wouldn't kill Batman off in JL3). Either that or a buidup to then adaptation of the Doomsday Clock storyline. Or The Flash can end the DCEU and reboot it into James Gunn's DCU.
All these theories have a weird advantage due to the extremely poor quality of the actual products. Anything sounds better in comparison.
As much as I loved the castings and some of the dceu films like shazam 1, Zack Snyder’s Justice League, Man of Steel, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and The Suicide Squad I just know we’re getting a classic DC universe now. James Gunn is a huge comic book fan and he will do stick to the essence of whatever character he’s adapting. It’s already showed by making the whole Superman vibe very bright and lighthearted. Hell he even gave Superman the Kingdom Come symbol for the DCU which for a lot of us comic fans is such a cool detail. He’s also doing Jimmy Olsen, the whole daily bugle staff, supergirl etc. I already have a feeling this universe will be much closer to the mainline versions of the characters and I for one am very exited but can still say that I enjoyed a good bit of the DCEU. I’m sad that Cavill and Affleck and the others (except Ezra) are gone and I do think they really could’ve handled the Henry situation with more class as he did not deserve to be done the way they did.
Do you have a theory about how The Batman and Joker sequels could be connected? I believe Warner Bros. should go forward with these films, if they'll continue to be received well, instead of Gunn-verse.
this is so bat shit insane that i'd absolutely watch it
Not gonna lie having dick grayson carrie kelly and Jason todd being in these films would be great. Also I think having Steve Trevor be an else world version of the jla version of the first gl would be better
I have a great theory and i dont think that anyone has thought of this.
Hear me out. The dceu and james gunn dcu is connected.
The dceu represents the new 52 they have the same flaws that was complained by fans. The weird adaptation of superman and how we barley had anytime to care for the characters like the new 52.
And james gunn dcu is like dc rebirth its more hopeful and more mythological and less realistic.
Now after the flash movie barry rebooted everything turning the dceu to james gunn world so like the dceu to dc rebirth thats why were getting new characters other then zack Snyder Justice league like green lantern damain wayne booster gold or swamp thing
Hold on, that's actually an interesting concept and connection. Makes sense too given how dark the original vision of the DCEU is, like the New 52.
Outside of the Watchmen theory, I think all these theories were great/fantastic, and I wish all of these were canon. Except for the Watchmen one. I'm sorry, but the Watchmen one was just too out there for me. But the rest, are great. I love them.
So Snyder stole his Amazon origin from marvels 2000 ripoff of the justice league? Supreme power by stracynski had this origin for Hyperion and power princess.
Honestly if Jared was joker 2/jason Todd then if in this universe they still made the joker film with phoenix than that film could have been the origins of the original joker
12:43 Oh 😂 it wasn’t Joker who tortured Dick, it was Batman😑. Yeah Franker Miller made the Dark Knight returns take place in the same universe as All Star Batman and Robin. Aka the comic were Batman kidnapped Dick Grayson, made him eat rats in the Bat Cave, threatened Alfred for giving Dick and actually proper meal. Burns criminals alive with bleach, and hookup with Black Canary a few feet from the still alive still burning criminals. Oh yeah and he fired Dick from being Robin, despite literally kidnapping him and in his own words “drafting him into a war.”
What should have happened was they moved immediately to the Teen Titans, and reveal the Justice League were captured and imprisoned by Darkseid after the end of the first first film. That way they could push aside the disappointing team and have younger, fresher faces capture the audience.
Here's how you save the DCEU - since most of the problems are rooted in BvS, you do the following:
Change it so that Batman and Superman are not fighting each other because they want to measure the size of each other's D but because Superman decides to become an asset of the state, since every move he makes is met with outcry and protests after the Metropolis incident. He does this because he believes it will improve his public perception. Batman tries to warn him against this but Superman does it anyway. As Superman continues to go about his business and Batman continues to investigate the activities of Lex Luthor, the government (who would be represented by Amanda Waller - this is where you could introduce her into the universe) tasks him to go after Batman. Batman anticipates this as he knows they've been wanting to get rid of him for a long time. He steals the kryptonite from Lex, same as the movie, and laces his armour with it to get him on equal footing with Superman. They fight, and Batman is once again about to kill Superman just as in the film (minus the shit dialogue), but is interrupted by Wonder Woman.
Both Bruce and Clark are bewildered to see her, but she simply walks over to Bruce and hands him the device she stole from him to hack Lex Corp servers. She tells them both that they're fighting the wrong enemy and that whatever is on the Drive is vital information that she believes concerns her, but she doesn't know how to crack it, asking Bruce to do it instead. Bats and Supes begrudgingly walk away from each other on shaky terms, but Bruce agrees. In a post-credits scene, Bruce hacks the files and sees Lex's data on the metahumans. At the same time, Flash's cameo takes place, only instead of a dream or whatever, it's an actual real time event. The scene ends with Bruce staring into space wondering what the fuck just happened. Cut to black.
Don’t get me wrong the movie suicide squad was bad but there are two things about it. I really love actually a couple things one I liked the costume for dead shot. He did a pretty good shot honestly second Diablo was the best character in the entire movie and I loved him for every second. He was on screen bye far my favorite character. He looked sick when he got all big and what not.❤
Always interesting to hear your perspectives.
Jason todd and watchman one was good.....but that amazon and Kryptonian one was really not that good
Nope.
I like your takes, it's not that, but none of these work for me. Probably because the idea of a universal coherent shared DC universe was always a bad one.
Unlike Marvel where Stan Lee enforced shared universe rules right from the start, DC has for most of its existance hosted a multitude of alternative realities and and weird stand-alones. Some heroes have cross-overs, others don't. Some live in the world where Superman is a thing, others never ever mention him. Sometimes there's ghost and vampires and magic, othertimes the world has only super science. And that's ok. It is how DC was built and all efforts to collapse the complexity into a single format has made the universe worse off.
And also Snyder is a storytelling moron who should never have been given world design authoritization in the first place.
why according to you Snyder should have never been given world design Authorization
@@kaustubhpalkar792 Like I said, he's an idiot who can't write. He makes visually stunning images but he can't tell a good story to save his life. He doesn't understand character development and is bad at plot. He also doesn't like the source material, or when he does like something good (watchmen or dark knight returns) his understanding of why it's good stops at "Whoah, so badass!" Finally he's a fanboy of Ayn Rand and thinks that Atlas Shrugged is well written and really smart.
Having Jason Todd as Joker is just stupid
dont use ai please
The Kryptonian Amazons theory makes so much sense. The pod crashing down on earth and then the gods taking in the surviving Kryptonians and banishing the sons would make a very interesting plot and tie Clark and Diana together not with a forced romance plot but they could be almost like siblings working together and developing a bond as they work together to find out the mystery of the lost Amazonian/Kryptonian men. Perhaps one of them could be Ares.
None of these theories would’ve helped and to be honest most of them sounded terrible and would’ve made things even more confusing.
They’re just twisting the source material. I’m done with DC.
then watch that woke MCU
@@gamemaster2192 nah I’ll just watch anime. And other movies that are not superhero or comic BS. We One Piece fans are eating good.
Honestly, I prefer to view it as an "Elseworld" universe.
wow this dude is a MCU fanboy
proof?
@@NobleRaider2747 he never make any video about how bad and woke disney/MCU is which makes him an MCU fanboy
@gamemaster2192 stupid ass logic
nvm you're probably a troll
@danggoodfood3202 you dat mad damn you gotta touch grass
@danggoodfood3202 how is being real make me mad and I love how you reply 5 hours late