Atheism is rising because of things like this. I just asked a Pastor that if he was all powerful and all knowing could he create a better world? And he said "NO" So I asked him if the world would be better or worse if it had less earthquakes, less floods, less tsunamis, less malaria, less infant brain cancer? And his religious belief that God is perfect and made the best world possible PREVENTED him from answering honestly and saying that a world without infant brain cancer would be a better world. That's why Atheism is growing. If your religious belief forces you to have to say dumb things like a world with infant brain cancer is a better world than one without it then you need to get rid of that mental hurdle that's warping your sense of morality.
Yes, and if they say god allows bad things to happen for some mysterious greater good, then ask them if god was capable of accomplishing that same mysterious goal in some other victimless way, where an infant didn't get brain cancer.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 they probably have no empathy or overlook it for some reason. Maybe it's because they cannot think of a greater good for everybody. I realise it sounds nasty but it does happen, we see it in history and today. Anyway that's my opinion for what it's worth 🤷
@@johnrangi4830 He can't admit he could conceive of a better world because he believes god couldn't do better because he's perfect. So if God can't do better, he as a mere human couldn't. So he can't say a world without childhood cancer is a better world than one with it. That's your brain on religion
A SF 49er player was shot the other day during a robbery and the bullet went through his mid-section but hit no vital organs and his mom credits God with ensuring the bullet did mimimal damage. Seems like God's job would have been easier just to prevent the whole shooting. The God delusion is powerful.
God will provide the surgeons/nurses/orderlies and medical school and university and research and grade schools and hospitals and paramedics so when you get injured, you will survive by the grace of God.
@@Nall412 Yeah, especially how bag things have gotten since we have started stepping more and more away from the church and Jesus teachings. Has the world been getting better or worse? I mean the 21st century has been the deadliest in all of history. So are things really getting better?
@@jefffriend1306things are getting worse because people lack meaning in a modern world of consumerism & materialism. The problem is “humanism” in the first place, & liberal values… these values originate in Christianity. Communism is applied Christianity. My neighborhood has several churches within walking distance from my house. I’m sure my neighborhood would be worse without them, but they preach typical liberal BS, “be nice, god is with you” etc.. everyone is poorly dressed & fat. Why is that ok?
I can only speak for myself but the problem of evil and more specifically the story of Job was the last straw for me as a a theist. I laid down to try to go to sleep after reading the job story but I was having an internal conversation with myself and for the first time in my life I asked myself, “is this stuff just all made up?” That was it… it was over… my entire life I had never even considered that idea a possibility because I was afraid. Haven’t looked back since..
@@jps0117 Oh the years when you don't know a thing but think you know everything. If you used all those besides science you would have got the right answer. "trust the science". Seriously trust them. Because they would never lie on white papers to keep receiving funding. How many peer reviewed papers turned out to be wrong after being peer reviewed? "trust the science"
Religion satisfies the need to know when you don't know. Religion also provides the illusion of security, social fulfillment, and freedom from reality.
So they're living under an illusion, that's exactly why they are so dangerous. They are able to justify any of their action, how ever horrible, by their belief. When the reality hits, it is always too late.
@@oldtimer7635if illusion makes you more successful then it’s evolutionarily adaptive. Notice religious people are “dangerous” but you are not dangerous. You are weak. You fight for nothing. How many children do you have?
When I reflect on my own deconversion, I found that arguments were in fact persuasive. It was the various arguments about cosmology, history, psychology, philosophy, and morality, in relation to issues such as personal experience, the origin of the bible, and the evolution of religions, that persuaded me that naturalism is a better explanation for life, existence and meaning, than supernatural stories.
I went to Bethesda methodist church as a child occasionally and at confirmation class inquired why we learned only about john Wesley but not about Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers. The confirmation lady said our religion only studied Wesley cause the other guys were not relevant to Methodism. So I just figured it was all rubbish and never went back. One does not need to hear persuasive arguments, just the ability to reason. Individuals are always smarter than groups.
@@donaldwhittaker7987 "Individuals are always smarter than groups." I can't believe you think this. So laughable. Anyone else agree with that garbage? Guys lets not find a group of smart people to bounce Ideas off of. Lets pick the smartest person and he can make all the decisions. lmfao
@@donaldwhittaker7987 How do you measure smarts anyways? Just because you have a high IQ doesn't make you smart. Do you get to define smart? Or am I missing the scale that has been around for awhile?
@@patrickwoods2213the only thing I know of that can make anyone fly into a building is a strong belief that they are right. Understanding the scientific method is unlikely to make anyone do that, It is not a radical idea and requires reason and critical thinking and knowing it is based on the highest probability, which makes it just about impossible to end up with radical beliefs.
Totally agree, no one in the debate changes their mind. But after watching Hitch et al debate religion and then reflecting on my own experience, I walked away from it. Seminary didn’t help. So keep up the debates because who knows when someone will watch and it will be the straw that changes their mind.
How could I possibly be a person of faith as a woman? The bible starts out in chapter one blaming women for the all the evils of the world because a fictional Eve was hungry & ate an apple. Really? Really. We all decided to ignore what the bible says when it comes to slavery, but there are men are still preaching that women should be submissive & turn to their man for their understanding of God. Yeah, no. I was born with my own functioning brain, thank you.
Yes the "old testament" that the Jews follow says that(They also follow that you can have S*x with a m1nor under the age of 9 as long as shes not a jew). Thank god for Jesus(Who was a real person walking around)No where in the new testament does it say that. I think it says the opposite. But keep finding those strawman's and living a life away from the moral standards of Jesus. Because without god there is no moral standard. And if you say society sets the standards I will say the Nazi's disagree that gassing people is wrong.
Good point. It gets worse, since the masculine bias is a cultural phenomenon, just codified in religion. Language calls women wo-MEN and family names are typically inherited from male parent. This might never entirely change, as men, on average have bigger egos but the Bible and its manifestation in modern religion is not helping. Modern psychology and secular humanism is helping.
That’s not what the story means at all 😂. Adam is blaming Eve because he’s having a hard time being a man which is a problem old as time. Although I don’t like the concept of original sin Jordan Peterson has some good myth talks about what these stories actually mean, without the dogma.
I would like to point out that you may think you are being open minded, but atheism is merely the opposite side of the same coin. Atheism is simply the idea that you believe there is nothing as opposed in believing there is something. Let's be clear here science is a method for obtaining evidence and it does not give us a truth on its own. For one to conclude what the data suggests there must be assumptions put in place and this brings up the importance of philosophy. In modern times philosophy has been tossed aside and this has led many people to believe that our current scientific understanding of things is truth. At the end of the day your belief in current scientific dogmas is a religion "scientism". Btw I am not suggesting you embark in exploring religion. I am in no way religious myself. In fact, I tend to think religion is just a form of control over others. I think the sooner the masses can get over the dogmas instilled in society by religion the sooner we can raise humanity to a higher level.
@@mtbAndre1 Not correct. Theism makes a faith claim that they never found on their own. Then they seek by picking only sporadic scientific data points that seem to align with their beliefs. But they deny all other data points that do not. The millions. An atheist knows better. Any atheist would believe in god if their was anything more than a faith claim to look at. I am open minded to God. I also see evolution and that we are natural. You cannot penetrate reason.
@@k-3402 I am not here to argue about terms. The point I am trying to make here is atheist tend to fall victim to believing that science is truth. That is not the case. Science is a method for acquiring evidence. I would encourage you to take a hard look at the assumptions and bias that must be put in place in order to come to any conclusion. For example, a fundamental assumption that current science operates under is "something cannot be both true and false". Now I want you to think about the implications of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is evidence that contradicts the above statement. What this tells us is that even though the science of classical mechanics is useful in everyday life it is not a universal truth. As someone that holds science in the highest regard I don't like when people approach science as a belief system. Science is a tool and is always changing as it should. Locking yourself into current conclusions science has led us to is as foolish as believing there is a sky daddy up there calling the shots.
@@mtbAndre1 How is atheism the idea that you believe in nothing? I believe in myself. Am I nothing? I believe in my parents. Are they nothing? I also believe that strawberry cheesecake is effing delicious. Is strawberry cheesecake nothing? I have no idea where people get this idea that not believing in god means you believe in nothing. Can you try backing up that claim instead of just asserting it?
We were created with free will. If he stepped in we would not have free will anymore. We also shit on him or her everyday with video's like these. So yeah, if I was god I'd tell you guys to kick rocks too.
Theists be like: _someone gets cancer and it goes into remission_ "Hallelujah! Praise be to God!" _a child gets cancer and dies_ "Damn Satan, back at it again!"
@@scottmoore7588 Over 25,000 children dying to stuff like diarrhea a day... "It's god wanting to take them to Heaven!" what about I punch you to Heaven?
@@scottmoore7588 Lol like science doesn't have some dumb people in it either? Want to talk about Luminiferous Aether. I knew you didn't know shit when you brought up Satan.
I am especially fascinated by the way the research gets conducted so people can avoid direct answers. This puzzles the hell out of me, but I'm really glad somebody figured out such a clever way around how just plain weird people can be.
1:26:00 to 1:26:39 - There is a middle ground. Cancel culture isn't ubiquitous, but statistical evidence suggests it's much greater than it was previously. FIRE (foundation for individual rights and freedoms) notes that it's estimated that during McCarthyism 100 professors were fired for real or imagined communist sympathies. Over the past decade or so, there were over a thousand campaigns to get professors punished for exercising academic freedom or free speech, about two-thirds succeeded, and it ended up with nearly 200 professors getting fired. So while cancel culture is not ubiquitous, it is a serious problem.
For me, the whole word atheism could be forgotten. It is used nowadays in contexts where it does not belong, and it may confuse some people. It's just that we don't take supernatural superhero stories seriously without indisputable evidence. That's all. : )
I was raised atheist but became increasingly skeptical of it later in life. We all believe in something, but you have to recognize your own beliefs as such, before you can question them.
So you are saying you were raised to be a critical thinker, but now you think things like: talking snakes, magic trees, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes talking clouds, 1000 year old men, bakery goods falling from the sky, magical boat in a magical storm, and water walking woo wizards who zap trees, part seas, and poof magical party wine into existence - are plausible claims, and not just deeply superstitious, addled religious zealots lies?
@@chikkipop I think it’s that many atheists don’t realize they have “beliefs” even of a religious nature without knowing it. That’s what I see in political ideologies & I don’t see a lot of moral questioning or community cohesion amongst atheists. I think they take for granted they live in a Christian society & mimic such morality & traditions without question. Just my POV.
It doeant really make sense to me to be skeptical of atheism, its kinda like saying your skeptical of being skeptical. Atheism (as I see it) is not a belief to hold, but a lack there of. I dont say "there is no god", i simply dont live my life as if there is one.
I attribute my Southern Baptist apostasy to my own analyzing of the bible. I kept asking questions that were not getting answered. Was told to follow my heart. So read through the bible on my own, writing down my comments, questions and violent or odd passages. I didn't even get through the first 5 books before realizing there is no way that this is the inspired word of god. All the violent and blood thirsty passages went against my "Christian" family upbringing and my moral compass. It also helps to have a high analytical IQ and be data driven.
Ah so less churches.... You see the world getting better or worse? You see local communities getting better or worse? Those coffee shops taking care of the poor or homeless.... Oh ok, you think the state will do a better job helping the needy. Religious people have done more for this world then any atheist ever has. All those hospitals with religious names on them, oh you want them to be coffee shops..... Low IQ argument again. Yes people use religion for bad. But there are bad people in all walks of life. Even doctors and Nurses have their a-holes. Christianity teaches to love and treat everyone as gods children. Which we are. You are not a random chance you were created and special. Everything in the universe that has a purpose was designed. You can look at a watch and say someone made that. But you can look at something as complex as the Universe and think it came by chance from nothing.
That’s pathetic actually. Churches provide much needed places communal fellowship beyond mere “commerce”. There is no real civic engagement with shopping. When society doesn’t have these institutions it decays into nihilism. Look at the world around you, it’s ugly and meek.
@bryanutility9609 coffee shops are communal hub, I can go to one anytime of the day and see locals communing with each other, communing in their own styles with free flows of mirth, tragedy, intellectual discourse, synopsis of the weekend sport....it's endless what subjects are discussed in these places, a local funeral held the wake at one the other day, all out in a wing of the building consoling and remembering their lost one, yes they are actually healthy hubs of community with far more soul than a cold church with some insular thinking priest barking someone else's spirituality at you, a question you may ask yourself why was the church derelict before the coffee shop brought life back into a dead building.
@@billybobwombat2231 coffee shops come and go way more than churches & no coffee shop is not going to host your marriage, offer real guidance, or support your funeral. It’s a bunch of lonely people staring at their laptop screens mostly and you know it. I bet you love gay parades more than Christmas.
@@billybobwombat2231 in the meantime, Muslims are moving into your city, praying to Mecca, having children and taking over your government. I can tell by your snark you’re not having many children now are you?
The idea that the unintellectual commoners need their folk religion to keep them in line, while the enlightenable minority of people can do without these beliefs, has respectable roots in Western philosophy. You find this idea implicitly argued in Spinoza's _Tractatus Theologico-Politicus,_ for example.
What he said around 7:30 thats the key right here. Haven't watched the rest yet but speaking from personal exp. religious people so often dont really act in accordance with their beleifs, one of the major reasons why people are leaving the faith imo.
In my opinion, arguments do not change people's intellectual stance when they have already built concepts and values around that stance and have emotional capital invested in it. They already have the rules by which to navigate and do not want to have to review everything again. Arguing and debating is useful for those witnesses who do not yet use religious belief to decide important issues in their lives.
@@bryanutility9609"I do not consider a religious person to be close-minded. People find it difficult to change their worldview with each new idea that fits better with reality. In what sense is the topic of 'race' a taboo?"
@@bryanutility9609It is true. People have different physical, intellectual, emotional, social capacities, etc. Why do you understand that this is taboo?
Is Will Gervais a relative of Ricky? The latter is more fun to listen to, given how funny he is. But the former is certainly more grounded in an academic approach to understanding belief in gods. Hey....both Gervais' matter!
@@larryparis925 I think of all the people who have been killed and oppressed by atheists have tears of sadness. Religion has done some awful things. But nothing to what Hitler(If you say he was a Christian I'm going to need proof because Jesus was a jew and we know how he felt about them.) , Stalin, or Mao did just to get started. No where in the bible does it say to hurt or enslave your fellow man. There will always be evil people doing evil things. Because we were created with free will. Only seeing one side of the argument kind of shows a low IQ thought process. But there is hope for you.
One good example: When religious people are in shock after losing someone important in their life almost always they are told, “It was in Gods plan”. What-a crappy thing to say!
@@Stucindimiddle What you guys don't understand is people grieve different and the cope mechanism the OP said is correct. You see people find comfort in thinking there is a higher power that has a plan. They know in there heart that the person is now in heaven away from all the pain and suffering in the world. And that one day they will reunite with them in Heaven. What do you think will ease the pain. Thinking the person is in heaven or 6 feet under worm food. Getting on people and how they grieve is pretty low and petty. You think what people say and do while grieving is a good debate topic? Even if you don't believe in god or heaven having respect for people while grieving is the right way to approach the subject. I mean why didn't you bring up not having long hair, wearing different types of fabric. There are a ton more ways to attack religion then how people grieve. Hope you all have a blessed day and win the lotto.
I don't know if not being convinced by the assertions the religious have been repeating for two thousand years is actually the same thing as "disbelief" whatever that presuppositional sounding term means?
I was a Christian and overtime I ended up a agnostic, I became a atheists because I was looking for answers and I figured out I needed to acknowledge my excuses for my beliefs we're not leading me to any truth. So I dropped them to find out the best explanations, as a result I couldn't return to be in a theist. It's just a result of allowing both sides of the argument to be seen by me, I ended up a naturalist because I can't find evidence of supernatural claims. I don't claim there is no God, I just don't believe the claim anymore and I don't think it can be proven beyond doubt.
The concept of God is limited by human imagination. “A god” forms an idea in your head. Maybe there are better ideas you haven’t considered. Nietzsche is the ultimate naturalist. A real atheist. There is way more beauty and vitality in nature than most “humanists” can even fathom.
@@bryanutility9609 the concept of God only seems to be from the human imagination so I have no use for it. I would prefer to concentrate on showing people this world is full of diverse people, cultures and thinking which we should learn to accept if it does no harm to others. At least it is in reality and possible if people can accept others.
@@johnrangi4830 I have no duty to accept all others. Harm is good sometimes and the right thing to do. Not all cultures are worthy of respect. Your ancestors wouldn’t have survived if they thought like you.
@@skylinefever if the existence of a God is unknowable then there is no point in pursuing the idea that there is one, and the people who claim they know that there is a god should not use their religious beliefs as reasoning for laws.
I've been an atheist all my adult life but since October 7 I have learned a lot about Jewish society and culture and I can't understand how people who are so smart can follow such stupid rules! Like having two separate kitchens. Like the weird costumes and hairdos... and so on.
So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
@@jefffriend1306 You might consider a visit to an eye physician or a grade school teacher because you failed to read or comprehend what @ginabissaillon2894 wrote. . . . Please show me how you can get order from disorder. . . Look at a snowflake or salt crystals under a microscope. Remind yourself that you are the one who may believe in . . . life from non-life . . . An imaginary entity made a golem doll from inert mud and, notwithstanding getting dirt in its mouth, gave the doll a BJ to bring it to life. Many of us have difficulty believing that story.
@jefffriend1306 Just because we don't know about the origin of the universe does not mean we need a supernatural being to have designed it. It's the argument for a god of the gaps. Also, having nothing to compare it with, I find it hard to posit there is some sort of intentional design to the universe. All God arguments are basically circular.
Excellent conversation, and nice to see some pushback against the attack on cancel culture. I agree that, although I don't like censorship, it isn't nearly as big a problem as christian nationalism. There's a subculture of white christians have decided they need to do anything to "keep" our society in their control...as if it ever was...
@@stevenmyers6291 I always saw them as Karens subscribing to 700 Club and Focus On The Family. They just want to ban stuff they hate, and have no valid answer. So the excuse is "Jeeeeeeesus."
This isn't unique in my saying [See Professor Livingston and Dr. Nathaniel Branden], but succinctly religion attempts to answer and fulfill the needs of "Why am I here?" "Who created us?" and "What should I do?" Religion scratches an itch. And time again. It responds to needs to say nothing about its validity. Selah.
Maybe our dreams pave the way to the supernatural, because dreams can be very strange and in a way “ Otherworldly” And some people have psychic abilities which again can not be explained away . Maybe all religions have their roots in that ability of some humans to have precognitive dreams ?!
Around 32:30 , many people would not be comfortable verbalizing they are atheists if they have been conditioned to feel that could be shameful - if all their life when they say it people say they should be ashamed.
Of course adults don't attach to fantasy concepts like Mickey Mouse and Santa Claus in a quasi-religious sense. But they do so very much in respect of corporations or products and sports teams they've projected loyalties onto. Culture and belief are intimately conjoined whether in religious or quasi-religiousl settings.
(ToT) Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.
Old and empty churches here in the UK often become mosques, and is seen by some particularly vocal adherents of islam as being a sign of successful conquest.
It's one thing to say I am without belief in what someboy says, but to affirmatively claim to be without belief in something you are calling "God or god" requires defining the ambiguous term(s) you are using to define your beliefs. As for the not religious folks in the room, they have no idea what the atheist is claiming, no less than when the religious folks use the ambiguous word to define their own beliefs.
bunch of babble here. There is no ambiguity in the definition of Atheism. The ambiguity comes from people who would want to make sht up so they can feel happy, hence fcking religion. Atheism is the disbelief in God(s), period. Now, if you're not entirely there yet then you're Agnostic.
@@prestonbacchus4204 me neither. I find it exhausting. However I don’t think most people can do that & we depend on them for making life less than boring. Purely practical people hardly make art of any kind.
People can change their beliefs, but it doesn't happen immediately after a debate or lecture. Instead, it requires a lengthy process of assimilation and transformation, which may result in reinforcement or, in rare cases, a complete turnaround of 180 degrees.
It requires being exposed to better ideas as well. These secular humanists, liberals are not discussing might makes right amoral naturalism. They avoid taboos just like every other sheep.
I'm going to need some proof? Because I have seen a lot or religions persecuted and even people put to death for their beliefs. But keep believing it's for survival and genetic health.
@@goldwhitedragon which way does the causal arrow point? Religion doesn't work for the redditor, and they were always sick to begin with. Deconverting was a benefit to them.
Atheism let's you explore everything life has to offer, not be shackled by something invented by humans many years ago. Belief also shifts blame from you as a cause to "Why is God punishing me???" With enough time, science can explain most things with a proof. Just cuz people didn't understand why things happened thousand years ago, doesn't mean it non existent entity's doing. Religion is the greatest crime against humanity.
I’m in the same boat. I was a non believer i guess agnostic? For most my life but now I consider myself an atheist or I like to use non believer. Not sure what’s going on with today’s “Atheist” I don’t really like associating myself with them, they tend to adopt some crazy ass progressive ideals, and seem to deny a lot of the scientific / empirical methods. Very strange to say the least. Maybe it’s a small number.. but as of late it looks to be fairly prevalent.
Maybe if he not looked like a fool on the JRE podcast when he debated the fool Graham Handcock and got his ass handed to him. He might have more subs. lol
Why would someone assume it's a problem with evil separated from human? What gives you authority to have such a frame of reference scale epoch order of magnitude of preference to begin with ? Very important but easily over looked after the fact of building this metamorphosis in reverse world tech & material sciences. Inadvertently effortlessly overcoming horizon paradoxes pre 1500s all people was deaf dumb and blind to the fact of how perfect creation is despite knowing how corrupt people are as sinners. They made the same mistake as athiesm as a matter of fact as you pointed out. We must personify, put scientific boxes around power greater than ourselves. We have to categorically work and operate successful social behavior out of how we unlocked the keys to the cosmos under this taxonomical order. We can't even define a time without it and most of the world doesn't have this paying the price for it. Father Xyz eco system idealistic forces of faith & physical lawisms works emerging energetic actors Mothers womb emerging E =mc. Lucid logic & reasoning is rich just with successful social behavior like curses and blessings standardized plagerized correlated prescribed back upon the world around us for proper order
@@mullahosk585 Yes. And it is quite depressing to get Pascal's Wagered and get no relief of the paranoia by God stuff. This universal "God shaped hole" is a lie. For me "pray harder" was as useless as "placebo harder." Bring back affordable homes and upward mobility like in the bible believing days of the USA and see what you get.
@@skylinefever Gods existence is not dependent on your belief. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in God or not. And yes, bring back affordable homes!
( o´ｪ｀o) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
I thought atheist believe there isn't a god and someone who is agnostic like myself doesn't believe in god without evidence. Prove there is a god. That's science.
Generally, Carl Sagan's "baloney detection kit" (plus philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt 's explication of "bullshit") keeps me firmly in the atheist/agnostic camp. That said, I've found that taking the time to take the time to read, really read, really follow the arguments in C.S. Lewis's non-fiction pro-theism writings sometimes shakes me up, which I think is very likely a good thing. In the long run-heck, in the never-ending short runs-belief in God (or gods) or disbelief in gods (or God) might very well have much more to do with temperament than with knowledge.
That is definitely not true. I used to be a believer to the point of fanaticism. My temperament at the time was BELIEVER. But over the years of study and thinking I have come to understand that Christianity is pure fiction.
@@davidschulz999 So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
@@jefffriend1306 There's a 90% chance that, 90 years from now, 90% of what one believes is true will turn out not to be true. That's how actual science, actual history, actual progress works. This is true for believers, non-believers, everybody.
@@jefffriend1306You r expect someone to explain physics and cosmology to you in a YT comment thread? There are lots of resources available to help you understand these things. Get to work.
Does the bible the Korean various holy books seem to be such an amazing revelation about God man and the universe ors it seems like it's just an instruction book about how not to piss off a very petulant god? And the whole " you must accept Jesus as God or it's hell for you". Hey don't threaten me with what will happen after we die. What a cheap god. I could accept the idea of God if we all agreed we can't instruct one another about God because if God's all what it's cracked up to be, super intelligent powerful smell ability ( why not?) then how does the ant explain the ways of the man? They can't. Neither can humans say what God really means when he says x. Who does anyone think they are that they can speak on God's behalf? Shut up! And certainly the most powerful intelligence thought the best way to get its ideas out was to write it all down on papyrus have ppl debate the ideas then have copies of copies over the centuries. That will make it all crystal clear right? If there's a god I don't think you need a middle man, I don't think you need Benny hinn or Joel olsteen explain to you God's purpose and meaning. But if there's something, some universal principle then maybe we can sense it in some way like thru meditation. Idk but I do know what I see as Bs and there's a lot of it.
@@skylinefever it's a lot deeper than that even. But essentially yes manipulate thru fear and love. Turn a kids head around they don't know what to think.
(*´･ω･) Artifacts of a swastika is flobby with stazzle and a jumble that tumbled. That is a skeleton, human heart, signature, internal combustion engine, animation of the big bang and a wave. That unify the universe you can't do with math. A swastika is the simplest rendering possible for those artifacts and needs to be saved. (ｰдｰ)
God will provide the surgeons/nurses/orderlies and medical school and university and research and grade schools and hospitals and paramedics so when you get injured, you will survive by the grace of God.
Epicurus and Lucretius and Galileo and Einstein all denied a theistic world view… the universe is awesome because it is intelligible. Spinoza’s god… aka nature
( ；∀；) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.
Atheism doesn’t mean anything. It’s not a philosophy, it’s not a belief system…it has no real meaning at all. Better to ask why religious beliefs are falling. Theism, Deism, Fideism, Polytheism…these have a meaning. Calling yourself an Atheist is as ridiculous as declaring yourself an Aphilatelist.
Yet plenty of goody dorks identify as “atheists” and behave like mocking children towards others. It’s because they are weak people and their silly stunt is going to backfire.
Not for the right reasons unfortunately. Like the realisation that god is man made and not the other way around. That Jesus was a mediocre prophet who claimed to be the only son of a non existent entity. That the abolition of religions would prove to be far more beneficial for humanity than the abolition of slavery; to name just a few ironclad arguments.
@@topologyrobwhat you’re saying is a great example of the lengths theists will go to reason a god into existence. And luckily this god concept is mouldable like bubble gum aside from the possibility to blow him up to astronomical proportions :)
@@walterdaems57 Only in your imagination. No twists of logic from me, but certainly from the "new atheists" in their need to impose their dogma on others.
@@walterdaems57 The ego is the one taking the lengths to defend its strange fantasies, like pretending the self actually exists. But why are you listening to someone so untrustworthy as Shermer in any case?
@@topologyrob I’m very well aware of the shenanigans of the ego and the fact that it’s a life long endeavour (if you’re not a Tibetan monk) to keep the monkey under control but I’m also pretty sure that there is no bigger exposure of ego than expressed by those who believe that some omnipotent being loses sleep over their every thought and behaviour. That’s ego with a degree called: full blown narcissism :) Funny that I’m the one who has to remind you of the story about the beam and the mote :) As for Shermer. I listen to many different opinions. Think about it. React or not. There’s nothing more to it than that.
( ´_ゝ`) We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
If I showed you a complex machine that had a purpose and said it just randomly formed itself. That atoms just randomly came together. There was no designer. You guys would call me a fool. But say the most complex machine on the planet(human) just happened by chance from a universe that also happened by chance.... Seriously. And I'm the fool for believing both had a designer.
@@bryanutility9609 Is this your opinion or do you have some research papers that confirm your statement? The distribution of matter and anti-matter wasn't random? Out-of-equilibrium decay is not random? Dark Matter and Energy is not random? If no one made the Universe then it has to be random. If it's not then it points to a creator. I don't think you completely thought out your position. There is a reason no one touched this comment until you, a day later.
@@bryanutility9609 Ummm.... I'm waiting for some research papers on how the Universe isn't random? No one understands dark matter or what it is. I know that you might need help because you just jumped on a single sentence and not backing up your statement about it not being random. Also name calling shows a lack of intelligence(look it up). So please I get the vibe you are young. Maybe a teenager. Can you link me the papers that has some proof the Universe is not random? If not please don't waste my time with a Notification of a new low IQ comment.
@@bryanutility9609 Name calling shows a lack of intelligence(Look it up). No one understands it, but it's distribution throughout the Universe is different for different regions which points to random. I know you think you are smarter than everyone but you are not. Tells a lot about your intelligence when you don't supply what the person asked, you jump on one word and attack the persons intelligence. Anyway, can you send me the research that shows the Universe is not random? Or is that your opinion? I asked for it 16 hours ago and you've ignored it? Why is that?
This whole "You can't know God does not exist" things is crazy. It all depend on how you define God. We know Zeus does not exist, he lives on mount Olympus, we have searched every inch and no Gods. We know that Yahweh does not exist because as he is defined, he is self contradictory. Is God just the guy who created the universe? So maybe God is an advanced alien nerd with a chemistry set? That 'God' might exist, but I would not call him a God, but others may?
Correct. If you define God as creator of the universe and we are a simulation on some kids computer then yep he is God and if you don't worship him he will torture you for literal eternity
Since humans are not omniscient, there is no possibility to know that God doesn't exist, only God can know if He doesn't exist, which brings us to the following discoveries Empirical Proof of God's Existence: (1) 'True' entails a cognitive presence; (2) We know the laws of the universe were true before they were discovered by corporeal life; therefore... (3) Since we know the laws of the universe were also true before corporeal life existed, we therefore have identified the existence of a non-corporeal entity that knew the laws were true. The proof that this pre-corporeal cognitive entity is God: The cognitive entity necessarily always knew the laws of the universe were true, where, therefore, thinking about the laws' integrity is absent, thereby identifying the omniscient being called God that does not think, it knows. The proof that there can be only one omniscient being: The concept of two, or more, omniscient beings is an oxymoron, since omniscience requires exclusivity...only one can be all-knowing; it's an oxymoron to have two or more who are all-knowing. ------------------ The Trinity explained that uses a three piece puzzle, then abstracts to show how all three Persons can also be One Person... 1. We have a three-piece cardboard puzzle that represents God and His essence, paper pulp representing His essence. 2. The three individual pieces of the puzzle, of course, represent Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father. 3. So the question is, how do the three individual pieces also represent the One God? Easy, because each piece is also made of paper pulp, paper pulp representing God's essence!
@@bryanutility9609 says, "There’s not really any logic here. The universe is stranger than we can suppose." I said the laws of the universe, not necessarily what we know about them, which is limited. Simply discovering there are laws is enough.
@@brian78045 nothing about what we empirically measure about the universe leads to the god father & Holy Spirit, in fact those concepts came before any serious natural understanding of the world. If there is any empirical observation, the holy trinity is a father mother and children.
Technology: Easy internet access to proof theists are liars, easy proof of the truth. Social media: People are more interested in communicating and gaming with friends than sitting in a church listening to things no one can prove and talking about gods makes them look like fools with their peer group.
You can't prove anything either. Just theories and some laws. That lots of people disagree with, even in your own community. And yes people are leaving churches and turning away from god. Do you see the world getting better? Do you see the homeless getting taken care of?
@@jefffriend1306 I can prove your god is unnecessary and doesn't exist. I can prove that evolution evolution occurs is fact. I can prove the age of the universe. And it's totally obvious since gods were invented around 7,000 ago no on has offered any proof one exists. And yes, except for religious conflicts, the world seems to be improving. They wouldn't need to be taken care of if your god existed and was, as claimed, a god of love.
@@Lightbearer616 Sure buddy. Give me your best low IQ reddit response? Or just copy and past what your NPC mind finds with google. You so got me with your response. Good burn with your no real logic response. Seem pretty dumb to me. But oh well, I hope you have a happy life. I know people with Downs who live very full lives. Keep working at life buddy.
(ｰдｰ) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
Skeptic :: (*Michael Shermer*) :: Author -- Mr. Will Gervais~! :: [ Cool ] :: RE: The ''existence'' of -- THE END GAME? [ ''IN PRINCIPLE'' ] .,. ( In concern of ''mortality? ) :: The progressive ''force of continuum'' as *time unfolds throughout our ''lived'' .,. lives .,. presents ''what'' for ''us'' ALL as far as an END GAME ''result'' .,. is concerned?" ( That's all? ) .,. The acquisition of ''purpose'' within the ''context'' .,. of our cognition inheritance as imposed via the ''forces of nature'' .,. as truly enforced? :: Chaos? :: Life? Us = Being ''boxed in''?" :: CORNERED? :: TRAPPED? :: MIRED? :: Etc.? ., Thank you nonetheless! ::
Dying for our sins makes no sense. Rising from the dead is only possible in fairytales. Jesus being the son of god but also kind of god himself, and the father god never being explained just doesn’t work for me at all. Do better.
Quiero reformar las prisiones y hospitales mentales para ayudarles a escapar. ¿Quieres vivir el resto de tu vida encerrado o quieres ser libre? El pasado es historia y no se puede cambiar. Ayer fue diferente. Hoy es diferente. Todo cambia. Para escapar tienes que entender Dios existe porque lógicamente es imposible la existencia de la creación o finitud sin el creador o infinitud. ¿Puede ser toda la realidad creada? ¿Por qué? Si contestas correctamente entiendes. Dios es eterno o no creado. Si entiendes ya eres diferente a como eras. Ahora ya sabes que Dios existe. Ahora ya sabes algo más. Ahora ya eres diferente porque entiendes más. Si tu supieses que Dios existe no dirías que crees en Dios, porque es mentira y Dios existe. Dios es realidad inteligente que decidió crear el universo después de haber existido siempre. No estoy pidiendo que me creas sino que pienses rápido para entender la realidad por ti mismo. La realidad no es lo que parece. La Segunda Guerra Mundial y el Holocausto nazi pasó después de que Spinoza descubriese la naturaleza de Dios hace siglos. Es el mayor escándalo de la historia, o uno de los mayores escándalos de la historia de la humanidad. Tenemos una vida y es para siempre. La verdad es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. La verdad es el ateísmo y la religión son malentendidos de la realidad dañinos a Dios. Si piensas en lo que te he dicho te sentirás increíblemente mejor. Dios es la eternidad que asusta. Dios es mortal y todo lo que hacemos lo hacemos a mortalidad. Todo lo que hacemos y decimos y pensamos durante nuestra vida importa, y será para siempre parte de lo que pasó. ¿Cómo sabes si Spinoza no tiene razón si nunca has leído Spinoza? ¿Por qué no das a Spinoza una oportunidad? ¿Por qué no escuchas lo que Spinoza quiso o le dejaron decirte? El tiempo se acaba y es eterno y no se cuando voy a morir. ¿Es el ateísmo una falacia lógica y Dios existe? Todo cambia con la verdad. Si Dios existe la eternidad está garantizada. Dios es para todos igual, el infierno eterno es para las malas personas y el cielo eterno para las buenas. ¿Qué nota te pones a ti mismo en el examen de la vida? ¿Que tal lo hicistes y estás haciendo? Se examina toda tu vida desde el momento en el que decidistes. ¿Eres buena persona o mala, o buena y mala? Para todos es el cielo y también el infierno. Lo que has hecho de bueno para siempre estará contigo, y también lo que has hecho malo. La vida es un examen y la muerte es el resultado. ¿Has aprovado o has suspendido? Morir es encontrar a Dios, que lo es todo, y la historia continúa con los que quedaron vivos. Te estoy explicando como entiendo yo la realidad. Un mundo, un pais sin extranjeros, una humanidad, una ley. La unión hace la fuerza. La realidad es la unión hace la fuerza. La verdad es la unión hace la fuerza. El idioma y el territorio no importan. Por salvar mi vida y la tuya puedo aprender tu idioma y todos vivimos la misma realidad en el universo. Se habla en el idioma que se quiera y se traduce para que no haya malentendidos. No se tiene que hablar en inglés porque el inglés sea el idioma más hablado, se habla para todos. Se habla para que todos entiendan. ¿Qué sentido tiene debatir si Dios existe o no cuando ya se descubrió y se censuró y de nuevo se redescubre y se recensura? ¿Cuantos pensadores racionales tienen que redescubrir Dios existe antes de que la humanidad escuche? No tienes que creer en Dios porque a Dios se llega mediante la razón y los sentidos. Spinoza entendió Dios existe, yo entiendo Dios existe y tú puedes entender. Con la idea de Dios no se juega y la humanidad ha inventado dioses sin saber Dios realmente existe. La humanidad se equivocó. ¿Es posible estar equivocado inventándose dioses horribles? ¿Por qué vives de rodillas? ¿Por qué haces que tus hijos inocentes y vulnerables vivan de rodillas? El ateísmo y la religión te están costando tu salud mental y economía. Gracias.
political government is not God free will sovereignty; replace human sovereignty of political government with God free will sovereignty for divine central authority unity
The whole god debate is a big waste of time and energy. You won’t convince anyone who is a believer no matter what argument you present for not being a god and same goes for a theist when trying to convince a non believer.
People change their opinions and views on life all the time. The rational thing to do when presented with imperial evidence that what you have thought and believed was true isn't true is to accept the data and change your opinion. To do otherwise is just being irrational. So far, no religion has ever been able to present any imperial or credible evidence that any god or gods exist or have ever existed in anything other than the imagination of the human mind. Due to such lack of evidence that one can reasonably rely on, one should not believe it is true.
@@bryanutility9609 The concept of race is a relative new concept. There is only one race in reality and that is the human race, homo sapiens. The surface physical differences are easily explained by environmental evolutionary pressures as well as sexual selection. Equality is based on the fact that every human born should legally be entitled to a fair shake at success in life and be able to live with dignity. That is an ideal that we may never achieve but is an ideal worth pursuing for the sake of being a decent society.
@@rhondah1587 even the ancient Greeks used the term race, it is not new. Differences are more than skin deep. There is less difference between lions & tigers, two separate species. “One race the human race” is a modern liberal slogan not based on science or genetics. Shermer is wrong the genomic evidence shows as such. He’s behind the times.
I guess because he isn't as smart as many people seem to think he is. He may use big words and talk with a very stern looking face, but that doesn't mean he's got good critical thinking skills or understands the scientific method at all. He has made a living telling other people how best to live their lives while himself having substance addiction, strange unsubstantiated beliefs in invisible sky beings and eating a diet exclusively of cow flesh, water and salt and telling other people that said diet can cure them of their physical injuries. He seems smart to the average person, but the average person can barely string a simple sentence together, so that's understandable.
@@Mr.N0.0nehe's handsome, dresses excentrically, and helps young men find the joy of tidying up their room and their life. That makes him more exciting than most people! Oh and he's rich.
So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
Atheism is rising because of things like this.
I just asked a Pastor that if he was all powerful and all knowing could he create a better world?
And he said "NO"
So I asked him if the world would be better or worse if it had less earthquakes, less floods, less tsunamis, less malaria, less infant brain cancer?
And his religious belief that God is perfect and made the best world possible PREVENTED him from answering honestly and saying that a world without infant brain cancer would be a better world.
That's why Atheism is growing.
If your religious belief forces you to have to say dumb things like a world with infant brain cancer is a better world than one without it then you need to get rid of that mental hurdle that's warping your sense of morality.
Yes, and if they say god allows bad things to happen for some mysterious greater good, then ask them if god was capable of accomplishing that same mysterious goal in some other victimless way, where an infant didn't get brain cancer.
@@PureLogic777
Nothing urks me more than hearing people say that.
They don't know how stupid and cruel they sound
@@PureLogic777
Nothing urks me more than hearing people say that.
They don't know how stupid and cruel they sound
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 they probably have no empathy or overlook it for some reason.
Maybe it's because they cannot think of a greater good for everybody.
I realise it sounds nasty but it does happen, we see it in history and today.
Anyway that's my opinion for what it's worth 🤷
@@johnrangi4830
He can't admit he could conceive of a better world because he believes god couldn't do better because he's perfect.
So if God can't do better, he as a mere human couldn't.
So he can't say a world without childhood cancer is a better world than one with it.
That's your brain on religion
A SF 49er player was shot the other day during a robbery and the bullet went through his mid-section but hit no vital organs and his mom credits God with ensuring the bullet did mimimal damage. Seems like God's job would have been easier just to prevent the whole shooting. The God delusion is powerful.
Yes, that's it. The delusion of religious believers.
Exactly
We are giving free will. If god stepped in it wouldn't be free will anymore..... God people can't see past the low IQ arguments.
God will provide the surgeons/nurses/orderlies and medical school and university and research and grade schools and hospitals and paramedics so when you get injured, you will survive by the grace of God.
You guys should meet my crazy aunt.
"Why is Atheism Rising?".
Because we know a lot more than we did 2000 years ago.
Externally know.
It’s unfortunately on the decline by some metrics that I’ve seen over the last few years.
@@Nall412 Yeah, especially how bag things have gotten since we have started stepping more and more away from the church and Jesus teachings. Has the world been getting better or worse? I mean the 21st century has been the deadliest in all of history. So are things really getting better?
@@jefffriend1306really? The 21st century has been more deadly than the 20th? WWII, WWI, the Russian revolution, Stalin, Mao…
@@jefffriend1306things are getting worse because people lack meaning in a modern world of consumerism & materialism.
The problem is “humanism” in the first place, & liberal values… these values originate in Christianity. Communism is applied Christianity. My neighborhood has several churches within walking distance from my house. I’m sure my neighborhood would be worse without them, but they preach typical liberal BS, “be nice, god is with you” etc.. everyone is poorly dressed & fat. Why is that ok?
I can only speak for myself but the problem of evil and more specifically the story of Job was the last straw for me as a a theist. I laid down to try to go to sleep after reading the job story but I was having an internal conversation with myself and for the first time in my life I asked myself, “is this stuff just all made up?” That was it… it was over… my entire life I had never even considered that idea a possibility because I was afraid. Haven’t looked back since..
The "Four Horsemen" for my departure from religion at age 19 were logic, science, history, and philosophy.
God made us with free will. If god steps in it's no longer free will. I don't understand why this is so hard for "smart" people to understand.
@@jefffriend1306 I don't accept either.
@@jps0117 Oh the years when you don't know a thing but think you know everything. If you used all those besides science you would have got the right answer. "trust the science". Seriously trust them. Because they would never lie on white papers to keep receiving funding. How many peer reviewed papers turned out to be wrong after being peer reviewed?
"trust the science"
Just remember. It is easier to train a smart dog then it is a dumb one.
Religion satisfies the need to know when you don't know.
Religion also provides the illusion of security, social fulfillment, and freedom from reality.
So they're living under an illusion, that's exactly why they are so dangerous. They are able to justify any of their action, how ever horrible, by their belief. When the reality hits, it is always too late.
@@oldtimer7635if illusion makes you more successful then it’s evolutionarily adaptive. Notice religious people are “dangerous” but you are not dangerous. You are weak. You fight for nothing. How many children do you have?
Those who love religion, hate truth. - Me
@@Trumpulator what good is truth if you’re not having 3 kids? It just means people like you lose in the evolution game.
Not really
When I reflect on my own deconversion, I found that arguments were in fact persuasive. It was the various arguments about cosmology, history, psychology, philosophy, and morality, in relation to issues such as personal experience, the origin of the bible, and the evolution of religions, that persuaded me that naturalism is a better explanation for life, existence and meaning, than supernatural stories.
Just remember. It is easier to train a smart dog then it is a dumb one.
I went to Bethesda methodist church as a child occasionally and at confirmation class inquired why we learned only about john Wesley but not about Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers. The confirmation lady said our religion only studied Wesley cause the other guys were not relevant to Methodism. So I just figured it was all rubbish and never went back. One does not need to hear persuasive arguments, just the ability to reason. Individuals are always smarter than groups.
@@donaldwhittaker7987 "Individuals are always smarter than groups." I can't believe you think this. So laughable.
Anyone else agree with that garbage? Guys lets not find a group of smart people to bounce Ideas off of. Lets pick the smartest person and he can make all the decisions. lmfao
@@donaldwhittaker7987 How do you measure smarts anyways? Just because you have a high IQ doesn't make you smart. Do you get to define smart? Or am I missing the scale that has been around for awhile?
@jefffriend1306 maybe you should research further on it😂
Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into buildings.
Totally agree!
Science can do both, but only religion will do it in the name of an imaginary friend.
Um I think you are talking about Muslims? You can't show me in the bible where it says to kill your neighbor.
@@patrickwoods2213the only thing I know of that can make anyone fly into a building is a strong belief that they are right.
Understanding the scientific method is unlikely to make anyone do that,
It is not a radical idea and requires reason and critical thinking and knowing it is based on the highest probability, which makes it just about impossible to end up with radical beliefs.
So dumb. Oh yeah science has never done some bad shit. You are a fool if you agree with his dumb comment he got off reddit
My favorite line is from Michael, “I’m a militant agnostic, I don’t know and neither do you!!” And I add, “so don’t pretend you do!!!”
Totally agree, no one in the debate changes their mind. But after watching Hitch et al debate religion and then reflecting on my own experience, I walked away from it. Seminary didn’t help. So keep up the debates because who knows when someone will watch and it will be the straw that changes their mind.
How could I possibly be a person of faith as a woman? The bible starts out in chapter one blaming women for the all the evils of the world because a fictional Eve was hungry & ate an apple. Really? Really. We all decided to ignore what the bible says when it comes to slavery, but there are men are still preaching that women should be submissive & turn to their man for their understanding of God. Yeah, no. I was born with my own functioning brain, thank you.
Yes the "old testament" that the Jews follow says that(They also follow that you can have S*x with a m1nor under the age of 9 as long as shes not a jew). Thank god for Jesus(Who was a real person walking around)No where in the new testament does it say that. I think it says the opposite. But keep finding those strawman's and living a life away from the moral standards of Jesus. Because without god there is no moral standard. And if you say society sets the standards I will say the Nazi's disagree that gassing people is wrong.
Good point. It gets worse, since the masculine bias is a cultural phenomenon, just codified in religion. Language calls women wo-MEN and family names are typically inherited from male parent. This might never entirely change, as men, on average have bigger egos but the Bible and its manifestation in modern religion is not helping. Modern psychology and secular humanism is helping.
That’s not what the story means at all 😂. Adam is blaming Eve because he’s having a hard time being a man which is a problem old as time.
Although I don’t like the concept of original sin Jordan Peterson has some good myth talks about what these stories actually mean, without the dogma.
Also I would point out that women voting destroyed civilization. Women are more unhappy how than ever.
Only stupid men and women who don't know what no nonsense, "don't care about feelings, only truth" - critical thinking is.
The science isn't in disbelief, it's in being open minded. Science is open minded. Theism is closed minded. Atheism allows open minds.
I would like to point out that you may think you are being open minded, but atheism is merely the opposite side of the same coin. Atheism is simply the idea that you believe there is nothing as opposed in believing there is something.
Let's be clear here science is a method for obtaining evidence and it does not give us a truth on its own. For one to conclude what the data suggests there must be assumptions put in place and this brings up the importance of philosophy. In modern times philosophy has been tossed aside and this has led many people to believe that our current scientific understanding of things is truth. At the end of the day your belief in current scientific dogmas is a religion "scientism".
Btw I am not suggesting you embark in exploring religion. I am in no way religious myself. In fact, I tend to think religion is just a form of control over others. I think the sooner the masses can get over the dogmas instilled in society by religion the sooner we can raise humanity to a higher level.
@@mtbAndre1There's no such thing as scientism. People who use that term are simply hostile towards science.
@@mtbAndre1 Not correct. Theism makes a faith claim that they never found on their own. Then they seek by picking only sporadic scientific data points that seem to align with their beliefs. But they deny all other data points that do not. The millions. An atheist knows better. Any atheist would believe in god if their was anything more than a faith claim to look at. I am open minded to God. I also see evolution and that we are natural.
You cannot penetrate reason.
@@k-3402 I am not here to argue about terms. The point I am trying to make here is atheist tend to fall victim to believing that science is truth. That is not the case. Science is a method for acquiring evidence.
I would encourage you to take a hard look at the assumptions and bias that must be put in place in order to come to any conclusion. For example, a fundamental assumption that current science operates under is "something cannot be both true and false". Now I want you to think about the implications of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics is evidence that contradicts the above statement. What this tells us is that even though the science of classical mechanics is useful in everyday life it is not a universal truth.
As someone that holds science in the highest regard I don't like when people approach science as a belief system. Science is a tool and is always changing as it should. Locking yourself into current conclusions science has led us to is as foolish as believing there is a sky daddy up there calling the shots.
@@mtbAndre1 How is atheism the idea that you believe in nothing? I believe in myself. Am I nothing? I believe in my parents. Are they nothing? I also believe that strawberry cheesecake is effing delicious. Is strawberry cheesecake nothing? I have no idea where people get this idea that not believing in god means you believe in nothing. Can you try backing up that claim instead of just asserting it?
Idk how many times we have to keep saying that god isn't doing a dam thing to help anyone. What good is a god that does nothing.
We were created with free will. If he stepped in we would not have free will anymore. We also shit on him or her everyday with video's like these. So yeah, if I was god I'd tell you guys to kick rocks too.
Theists be like:
_someone gets cancer and it goes into remission_
"Hallelujah! Praise be to God!"
_a child gets cancer and dies_
"Damn Satan, back at it again!"
@@scottmoore7588 ...or they invoke God's mysterious will and an afterlife.
@@scottmoore7588 Over 25,000 children dying to stuff like diarrhea a day... "It's god wanting to take them to Heaven!" what about I punch you to Heaven?
@@scottmoore7588 Lol like science doesn't have some dumb people in it either? Want to talk about Luminiferous Aether. I knew you didn't know shit when you brought up Satan.
I am especially fascinated by the way the research gets conducted so people can avoid direct answers. This puzzles the hell out of me, but I'm really glad somebody figured out such a clever way around how just plain weird people can be.
1:26:00 to 1:26:39 - There is a middle ground. Cancel culture isn't ubiquitous, but statistical evidence suggests it's much greater than it was previously.
FIRE (foundation for individual rights and freedoms) notes that it's estimated that during McCarthyism 100 professors were fired for real or imagined communist sympathies. Over the past decade or so, there were over a thousand campaigns to get professors punished for exercising academic freedom or free speech, about two-thirds succeeded, and it ended up with nearly 200 professors getting fired.
So while cancel culture is not ubiquitous, it is a serious problem.
It goes back even to Greek ostracism.
These two guys look eerily similar. It's a miracle!
I thank God that atheism is moving humanity forward.
Is that why so many atheists are not having children? So religious people can inherit the future?
What about China and north Korea?
For me, the whole word atheism could be forgotten. It is used nowadays in contexts where it does not belong, and it may confuse some people. It's just that we don't take supernatural superhero stories seriously without indisputable evidence. That's all. : )
It’s become an identity for jerks online to mock people who refuse to fight back.
I was raised atheist but became increasingly skeptical of it later in life. We all believe in something, but you have to recognize your own beliefs as such, before you can question them.
Belief is for adolescents. An honest person can live without closure.
So you are saying you were raised to be a critical thinker, but now you think things like: talking snakes, magic trees, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes talking clouds, 1000 year old men, bakery goods falling from the sky, magical boat in a magical storm, and water walking woo wizards who zap trees, part seas, and poof magical party wine into existence - are plausible claims, and not just deeply superstitious, addled religious zealots lies?
What is the basis of your skepticism about atheism?
@@chikkipop I think it’s that many atheists don’t realize they have “beliefs” even of a religious nature without knowing it. That’s what I see in political ideologies & I don’t see a lot of moral questioning or community cohesion amongst atheists. I think they take for granted they live in a Christian society & mimic such morality & traditions without question. Just my POV.
It doeant really make sense to me to be skeptical of atheism, its kinda like saying your skeptical of being skeptical. Atheism (as I see it) is not a belief to hold, but a lack there of. I dont say "there is no god", i simply dont live my life as if there is one.
I attribute my Southern Baptist apostasy to my own analyzing of the bible. I kept asking questions that were not getting answered. Was told to follow my heart. So read through the bible on my own, writing down my comments, questions and violent or odd passages. I didn't even get through the first 5 books before realizing there is no way that this is the inspired word of god. All the violent and blood thirsty passages went against my "Christian" family upbringing and my moral compass. It also helps to have a high analytical IQ and be data driven.
I hate the SBC with a passion. As I say, Pascal needs to take his Wager and cram it.
Old churches now being used as coffee shops is an eloquent use of a defunct building
Ah so less churches.... You see the world getting better or worse? You see local communities getting better or worse? Those coffee shops taking care of the poor or homeless.... Oh ok, you think the state will do a better job helping the needy. Religious people have done more for this world then any atheist ever has. All those hospitals with religious names on them, oh you want them to be coffee shops..... Low IQ argument again.
Yes people use religion for bad. But there are bad people in all walks of life. Even doctors and Nurses have their a-holes. Christianity teaches to love and treat everyone as gods children. Which we are. You are not a random chance you were created and special. Everything in the universe that has a purpose was designed. You can look at a watch and say someone made that. But you can look at something as complex as the Universe and think it came by chance from nothing.
That’s pathetic actually. Churches provide much needed places communal fellowship beyond mere “commerce”. There is no real civic engagement with shopping. When society doesn’t have these institutions it decays into nihilism. Look at the world around you, it’s ugly and meek.
@bryanutility9609 coffee shops are communal hub, I can go to one anytime of the day and see locals communing with each other, communing in their own styles with free flows of mirth, tragedy, intellectual discourse, synopsis of the weekend sport....it's endless what subjects are discussed in these places, a local funeral held the wake at one the other day, all out in a wing of the building consoling and remembering their lost one, yes they are actually healthy hubs of community with far more soul than a cold church with some insular thinking priest barking someone else's spirituality at you, a question you may ask yourself why was the church derelict before the coffee shop brought life back into a dead building.
@@billybobwombat2231 coffee shops come and go way more than churches & no coffee shop is not going to host your marriage, offer real guidance, or support your funeral. It’s a bunch of lonely people staring at their laptop screens mostly and you know it. I bet you love gay parades more than Christmas.
@@billybobwombat2231 in the meantime, Muslims are moving into your city, praying to Mecca, having children and taking over your government. I can tell by your snark you’re not having many children now are you?
I have a gut feeling....and I have FAITH in that gut feeling....just in case.
The idea that the unintellectual commoners need their folk religion to keep them in line, while the enlightenable minority of people can do without these beliefs, has respectable roots in Western philosophy. You find this idea implicitly argued in Spinoza's _Tractatus Theologico-Politicus,_ for example.
What he said around 7:30 thats the key right here. Haven't watched the rest yet but speaking from personal exp. religious people so often dont really act in accordance with their beleifs, one of the major reasons why people are leaving the faith imo.
It's rather absurd and impracticable to try and live a life in the modern world as if you lived in the Bronze Age. LOL
@@Bronco541 I argued that of Christians were showing Christ like behavior to money changers, I would join them.
In my opinion, arguments do not change people's intellectual stance when they have already built concepts and values around that stance and have emotional capital invested in it. They already have the rules by which to navigate and do not want to have to review everything again.
Arguing and debating is useful for those witnesses who do not yet use religious belief to decide important issues in their lives.
That’s fine. But most people who believe in secular liberalism are equally as close minded. Shermer is not going to talk about taboo topics like race.
@@bryanutility9609"I do not consider a religious person to be close-minded. People find it difficult to change their worldview with each new idea that fits better with reality. In what sense is the topic of 'race' a taboo?"
@@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd because people are not equal
@@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd “racism” is the “original sin” of America especially & it’s guilt over race that the West is dying.
@@bryanutility9609It is true. People have different physical, intellectual, emotional, social capacities, etc. Why do you understand that this is taboo?
I don't think it's so much about people turning to atheism but rather people just simply ignoring religion
I finally became an anti-theist by working at ministries in Colorado and reading the bible and a priest leading me there.
Is Will Gervais a relative of Ricky? The latter is more fun to listen to, given how funny he is. But the former is certainly more grounded in an academic approach to understanding belief in gods. Hey....both Gervais' matter!
My problem is 2+2=5 and we were created in 6 days are equivalent.
religion is in a way a good cope mechanism too... it' s sad but no tears kind of sadness...
Oh, I think all the people who have been oppressed by religion have tears of sadness.
@@larryparis925 I think of all the people who have been killed and oppressed by atheists have tears of sadness. Religion has done some awful things. But nothing to what Hitler(If you say he was a Christian I'm going to need proof because Jesus was a jew and we know how he felt about them.) , Stalin, or Mao did just to get started. No where in the bible does it say to hurt or enslave your fellow man. There will always be evil people doing evil things. Because we were created with free will. Only seeing one side of the argument kind of shows a low IQ thought process. But there is hope for you.
One good example: When religious people are in shock after losing someone important in their life almost always they are told, “It was in Gods plan”. What-a crappy thing to say!
How dare people try to find comfort in this crazy ass world.
@@Stucindimiddle What you guys don't understand is people grieve different and the cope mechanism the OP said is correct. You see people find comfort in thinking there is a higher power that has a plan. They know in there heart that the person is now in heaven away from all the pain and suffering in the world. And that one day they will reunite with them in Heaven. What do you think will ease the pain. Thinking the person is in heaven or 6 feet under worm food. Getting on people and how they grieve is pretty low and petty. You think what people say and do while grieving is a good debate topic? Even if you don't believe in god or heaven having respect for people while grieving is the right way to approach the subject. I mean why didn't you bring up not having long hair, wearing different types of fabric. There are a ton more ways to attack religion then how people grieve. Hope you all have a blessed day and win the lotto.
I don't know if not being convinced by the assertions the religious have been repeating for two thousand years is actually the same thing as "disbelief" whatever that presuppositional sounding term means?
“Believe” is such a false dichotomy. Some of these atheist types are just assholes
I was a Christian and overtime I ended up a agnostic, I became a atheists because I was looking for answers and I figured out I needed to acknowledge my excuses for my beliefs we're not leading me to any truth.
So I dropped them to find out the best explanations, as a result I couldn't return to be in a theist.
It's just a result of allowing both sides of the argument to be seen by me, I ended up a naturalist because I can't find evidence of supernatural claims.
I don't claim there is no God, I just don't believe the claim anymore and I don't think it can be proven beyond doubt.
The concept of God is limited by human imagination. “A god” forms an idea in your head. Maybe there are better ideas you haven’t considered.
Nietzsche is the ultimate naturalist. A real atheist. There is way more beauty and vitality in nature than most “humanists” can even fathom.
@@bryanutility9609 the concept of God only seems to be from the human imagination so I have no use for it.
I would prefer to concentrate on showing people this world is full of diverse people, cultures and thinking which we should learn to accept if it does no harm to others.
At least it is in reality and possible if people can accept others.
@@johnrangi4830 I have no duty to accept all others. Harm is good sometimes and the right thing to do. Not all cultures are worthy of respect. Your ancestors wouldn’t have survived if they thought like you.
@@johnrangi4830 This is why I say the existence of any god or gods is not knowable to me.
@@skylinefever if the existence of a God is unknowable then there is no point in pursuing the idea that there is one, and the people who claim they know that there is a god should not use their religious beliefs as reasoning for laws.
I've been an atheist all my adult life but since October 7 I have learned a lot about Jewish society and culture and I can't understand how people who are so smart can follow such stupid rules! Like having two separate kitchens. Like the weird costumes and hairdos... and so on.
Do you believe a man can become a woman?
So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
@@jefffriend1306
You might consider a visit to an eye physician or a grade school teacher because you failed to read or comprehend what @ginabissaillon2894 wrote.
. . . Please show me how you can get order from disorder. . .
Look at a snowflake or salt crystals under a microscope.
Remind yourself that you are the one who may believe in . . . life from non-life . . .
An imaginary entity made a golem doll from inert mud and, notwithstanding getting dirt in its mouth, gave the doll a BJ to bring it to life.
Many of us have difficulty believing that story.
@jefffriend1306 Just because we don't know about the origin of the universe does not mean we need a supernatural being to have designed it. It's the argument for a god of the gaps. Also, having nothing to compare it with, I find it hard to posit there is some sort of intentional design to the universe. All God arguments are basically circular.
@@helencahn7293
The hollow prattle for gods is like Joni Mitchell's song. The Circle Game.
Awesome video. Great Channel!
Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position, but certainty is an absurd one. ~ Voltaire
I'm certain I am going to Die. What an absurd thing to think.
@@jefffriend1306 : But if you are religious you probably believe that you are going to live again in the "afterlife".
Excellent conversation, and nice to see some pushback against the attack on cancel culture. I agree that, although I don't like censorship, it isn't nearly as big a problem as christian nationalism. There's a subculture of white christians have decided they need to do anything to "keep" our society in their control...as if it ever was...
@@stevenmyers6291 I always saw them as Karens subscribing to 700 Club and Focus On The Family. They just want to ban stuff they hate, and have no valid answer. So the excuse is "Jeeeeeeesus."
This isn't unique in my saying [See Professor Livingston and Dr. Nathaniel Branden], but succinctly religion attempts to answer and fulfill the needs of "Why am I here?" "Who created us?" and "What should I do?"
Religion scratches an itch. And time again.
It responds to needs to say nothing about its validity. Selah.
Maybe our dreams pave the way to the supernatural, because dreams can be very strange and in a way “ Otherworldly”
And some people have psychic abilities which again can not be explained away .
Maybe all religions have their roots in that ability of some humans to have precognitive dreams ?!
The rising of Atheism is due to the fact that more and more people have access to education
You appear to require more education if you believe that atheism is rising, in contradiction of the evidence
What evidence?
@@Bronco541 I keep posting a link to Pew research and it keeps vanishing
@@topologyrob : YT deletes links.
Around 32:30 , many people would not be comfortable verbalizing they are atheists if they have been conditioned to feel that could be shameful - if all their life when they say it people say they should be ashamed.
Of course adults don't attach to fantasy concepts like Mickey Mouse and Santa Claus in a quasi-religious sense. But they do so very much in respect of corporations or products and sports teams they've projected loyalties onto. Culture and belief are intimately conjoined whether in religious or quasi-religiousl settings.
Man I wish I had the money to go on a trip like that… wow. What an adventure
Would love to go!
(ToT) Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.
Old and empty churches here in the UK often become mosques, and is seen by some particularly vocal adherents of islam as being a sign of successful conquest.
Because the atheistic secular religion of “humanism” is a suicide cult.
@DaboooogA: Where I live (I'm also in UK) most churches are being converted into flats or warehouses so at least they're doing something useful now.
@@paganphil100 yea all those flats for hipster peasants not reproducing making way for your Islamic replacement. Your ancestors would be so proud.
It's one thing to say I am without belief in what someboy says, but to affirmatively claim to be without belief in something you are calling "God or god" requires defining the ambiguous term(s) you are using to define your beliefs. As for the not religious folks in the room, they have no idea what the atheist is claiming, no less than when the religious folks use the ambiguous word to define their own beliefs.
bunch of babble here. There is no ambiguity in the definition of Atheism. The ambiguity comes from people who would want to make sht up so they can feel happy, hence fcking religion. Atheism is the disbelief in God(s), period. Now, if you're not entirely there yet then you're Agnostic.
It’s actually astonishing that a small percentage is able to “start thinking” by actually defining terms and holding temporary partial beliefs
Words are just a tool. Don’t get lost in arguments.
@@bryanutility9609 Myself, I try to keep it simple, I do not walk around defining my beliefs by an ambiguous concept.
@@prestonbacchus4204 me neither. I find it exhausting. However I don’t think most people can do that & we depend on them for making life less than boring. Purely practical people hardly make art of any kind.
People can change their beliefs, but it doesn't happen immediately after a debate or lecture. Instead, it requires a lengthy process of assimilation and transformation, which may result in reinforcement or, in rare cases, a complete turnaround of 180 degrees.
It requires being exposed to better ideas as well. These secular humanists, liberals are not discussing might makes right amoral naturalism. They avoid taboos just like every other sheep.
@@bryanutility9609 I am too Nietzschen for that.
I want the Idiocracy to get Darwin Awards.
@@skylinefever the idiots may bring the Darwin awards to us all unfortunately.
Religious belief positively correlates with group (ex. racial) survival and genetic health.
I'm going to need some proof? Because I have seen a lot or religions persecuted and even people put to death for their beliefs. But keep believing it's for survival and genetic health.
@@goldwhitedragon which way does the causal arrow point? Religion doesn't work for the redditor, and they were always sick to begin with. Deconverting was a benefit to them.
Wil watch later, but like and a comment ❤
Atheism let's you explore everything life has to offer, not be shackled by something invented by humans many years ago.
Belief also shifts blame from you as a cause to "Why is God punishing me???"
With enough time, science can explain most things with a proof.
Just cuz people didn't understand why things happened thousand years ago, doesn't mean it non existent entity's doing.
Religion is the greatest crime against humanity.
I was momentarily confused about the Rise of the Nuns...
I miss the community.
( ＴДＴ) The human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.
Santa is too easily falsifiable. The best gods need to be unfalsifiable.
I wish somene would explain to me what “…but I’m very spiritual” actually means.
Do I get to constantly dunk on Diamond’s book _Guns, Germs and Steel?_
This would probably not be the best use of your time.
I'm atheist, all my life, but I have no idea what "Atheism" even means.
Theism = belief in god.
A = without.
Atheism = without belief in god.
I’m in the same boat. I was a non believer i guess agnostic? For most my life but now I consider myself an atheist or I like to use non believer.
Not sure what’s going on with today’s “Atheist” I don’t really like associating myself with them, they tend to adopt some crazy ass progressive ideals, and seem to deny a lot of the scientific / empirical methods. Very strange to say the least. Maybe it’s a small number.. but as of late it looks to be fairly prevalent.
human sovereignty reason for atheism
"overwhelmingly religious" Religion at its best.
Hey, Micheal... subscription on this channel is way too low.. Ask Kamala how to get move votes.
Sarcasm, right?
Please tell me u are smarter than this
Maybe if he not looked like a fool on the JRE podcast when he debated the fool Graham Handcock and got his ass handed to him. He might have more subs. lol
Only religions can be proven wrong again and again yet people still believe in them.
What do you mean "proven wrong"? Do you also thing tango is "proven wrong"? Or is post-minimal music "proven wrong"?
Why would someone assume it's a problem with evil separated from human? What gives you authority to have such a frame of reference scale epoch order of magnitude of preference to begin with ? Very important but easily over looked after the fact of building this metamorphosis in reverse world tech & material sciences.
Inadvertently effortlessly overcoming horizon paradoxes pre 1500s all people was deaf dumb and blind to the fact of how perfect creation is despite knowing how corrupt people are as sinners.
They made the same mistake as athiesm as a matter of fact as you pointed out.
We must personify, put scientific boxes around power greater than ourselves. We have to categorically work and operate successful social behavior out of how we unlocked the keys to the cosmos under this taxonomical order.
We can't even define a time without it and most of the world doesn't have this paying the price for it.
Father Xyz eco system idealistic forces of faith & physical lawisms works emerging energetic actors
Mothers womb emerging E =mc.
Lucid logic & reasoning is rich just with successful social behavior like curses and blessings standardized plagerized correlated prescribed back upon the world around us for proper order
Atheism's rise is directly correlated to the rise of depression.
@@mullahosk585 Yes.
And it is quite depressing to get Pascal's Wagered and get no relief of the paranoia by God stuff.
This universal "God shaped hole" is a lie.
For me "pray harder" was as useless as "placebo harder."
Bring back affordable homes and upward mobility like in the bible believing days of the USA and see what you get.
@@skylinefever
Gods existence is not dependent on your belief. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in God or not.
And yes, bring back affordable homes!
( o´ｪ｀o) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
Why? Because of CONSERVATIVES! 🤬
I thought atheist believe there isn't a god and someone who is agnostic like myself doesn't believe in god without evidence. Prove there is a god. That's science.
I'm an actual nun and I can't spell. Oops! Can I redo my survey form?
Generally, Carl Sagan's "baloney detection kit" (plus philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt 's explication of "bullshit") keeps me firmly in the atheist/agnostic camp. That said, I've found that taking the time to take the time to read, really read, really follow the arguments in C.S. Lewis's non-fiction pro-theism writings sometimes shakes me up, which I think is very likely a good thing. In the long run-heck, in the never-ending short runs-belief in God (or gods) or disbelief in gods (or God) might very well have much more to do with temperament than with knowledge.
That is definitely not true. I used to be a believer to the point of fanaticism. My temperament at the time was BELIEVER. But over the years of study and thinking I have come to understand that Christianity is pure fiction.
@@davidschulz999 So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
@@jefffriend1306 There's a 90% chance that, 90 years from now, 90% of what one believes is true will turn out not to be true. That's how actual science, actual history, actual progress works. This is true for believers, non-believers, everybody.
@@jefffriend1306You r expect someone to explain physics and cosmology to you in a YT comment thread? There are lots of resources available to help you understand these things. Get to work.
@@benjaminperez969I really hate pseudo statistics.
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Does the bible the Korean various holy books seem to be such an amazing revelation about God man and the universe ors it seems like it's just an instruction book about how not to piss off a very petulant god? And the whole " you must accept Jesus as God or it's hell for you". Hey don't threaten me with what will happen after we die. What a cheap god. I could accept the idea of God if we all agreed we can't instruct one another about God because if God's all what it's cracked up to be, super intelligent powerful smell ability ( why not?) then how does the ant explain the ways of the man? They can't. Neither can humans say what God really means when he says x. Who does anyone think they are that they can speak on God's behalf? Shut up! And certainly the most powerful intelligence thought the best way to get its ideas out was to write it all down on papyrus have ppl debate the ideas then have copies of copies over the centuries. That will make it all crystal clear right? If there's a god I don't think you need a middle man, I don't think you need Benny hinn or Joel olsteen explain to you God's purpose and meaning. But if there's something, some universal principle then maybe we can sense it in some way like thru meditation. Idk but I do know what I see as Bs and there's a lot of it.
@@matthewguzda4075 Hellfire and brimstone Pascal's Wager shit is how the God Squad traps kids.
@@skylinefever it's a lot deeper than that even. But essentially yes manipulate thru fear and love. Turn a kids head around they don't know what to think.
@@matthewguzda4075 There may be more, but I just argue most of the Southern Baptist Convention owes its existence to psychological warfare on kids.
I’m a Sceptic and Shermer fan but Jarod Diamond?? Nah!!
The more the cosmos in known, ghe less a god is needed to explain it.
(*´･ω･) Artifacts of a swastika is flobby with stazzle and a jumble that tumbled. That is a skeleton, human heart, signature, internal combustion engine, animation of the big bang and a wave. That unify the universe you can't do with math. A swastika is the simplest rendering possible for those artifacts and needs to be saved. (ｰдｰ)
My understanding is that atheism is starting to wain.
Yes it is, because atheists don’t have children. Most “atheists” are actually religious liberals who also don’t have children.
I rather be a pagan and see Triton rise from the sea and blow his horn. Dr Nasir Fazal Cambridge
God will provide the surgeons/nurses/orderlies and medical school and university and research and grade schools and hospitals and paramedics so when you get injured, you will survive by the grace of God.
I don't like the word Atheism. What's wrong with you stating your belief and ill tell you whether I believe it or not.
Im no atheist, how be a- sometiing not exist? Call myself athteist, I admit god exists
Atheism is declining actually!
do you have proof to back that up ??
Epicurus and Lucretius and Galileo and Einstein all denied a theistic world view… the universe is awesome because it is intelligible. Spinoza’s god… aka nature
But Einstein is famous for not believing in "pure chance".
( ；∀；) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.
Its modern day mythology. Its very easy to see.
Atheism doesn’t mean anything. It’s not a philosophy, it’s not a belief system…it has no real meaning at all.
Better to ask why religious beliefs are falling. Theism, Deism, Fideism, Polytheism…these have a meaning.
Calling yourself an Atheist is as ridiculous as declaring yourself an Aphilatelist.
Yet plenty of goody dorks identify as “atheists” and behave like mocking children towards others. It’s because they are weak people and their silly stunt is going to backfire.
Not for the right reasons unfortunately. Like the realisation that god is man made and not the other way around. That Jesus was a mediocre prophet who claimed to be the only son of a non existent entity. That the abolition of religions would prove to be far more beneficial for humanity than the abolition of slavery; to name just a few ironclad arguments.
You are God's imaginary friend in reality.
@@topologyrobwhat you’re saying is a great example of the lengths theists will go to reason a god into existence. And luckily this god concept is mouldable like bubble gum aside from the possibility to blow him up to astronomical proportions :)
@@walterdaems57 Only in your imagination. No twists of logic from me, but certainly from the "new atheists" in their need to impose their dogma on others.
@@walterdaems57 The ego is the one taking the lengths to defend its strange fantasies, like pretending the self actually exists. But why are you listening to someone so untrustworthy as Shermer in any case?
@@topologyrob I’m very well aware of the shenanigans of the ego and the fact that it’s a life long endeavour (if you’re not a Tibetan monk) to keep the monkey under control but I’m also pretty sure that there is no bigger exposure of ego than expressed by those who believe that some omnipotent being loses sleep over their every thought and behaviour. That’s ego with a degree called: full blown narcissism :)
Funny that I’m the one who has to remind you of the story about the beam and the mote :)
As for Shermer. I listen to many different opinions. Think about it. React or not. There’s nothing more to it than that.
( ´_ゝ`) We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
If I showed you a complex machine that had a purpose and said it just randomly formed itself. That atoms just randomly came together. There was no designer. You guys would call me a fool. But say the most complex machine on the planet(human) just happened by chance from a universe that also happened by chance.... Seriously. And I'm the fool for believing both had a designer.
Why do you need a designer? And why do you assume it has to be “random”? That’s a false dichotomy.
@@bryanutility9609 Is this your opinion or do you have some research papers that confirm your statement? The distribution of matter and anti-matter wasn't random? Out-of-equilibrium decay is not random? Dark Matter and Energy is not random? If no one made the Universe then it has to be random. If it's not then it points to a creator. I don't think you completely thought out your position. There is a reason no one touched this comment until you, a day later.
@@jefffriend1306 I don’t think you understand “dark matter” or the like. Your feeble mind can’t comprehend reality. Why should it?
@@bryanutility9609 Ummm.... I'm waiting for some research papers on how the Universe isn't random? No one understands dark matter or what it is. I know that you might need help because you just jumped on a single sentence and not backing up your statement about it not being random. Also name calling shows a lack of intelligence(look it up). So please I get the vibe you are young. Maybe a teenager. Can you link me the papers that has some proof the Universe is not random? If not please don't waste my time with a Notification of a new low IQ comment.
@@bryanutility9609 Name calling shows a lack of intelligence(Look it up). No one understands it, but it's distribution throughout the Universe is different for different regions which points to random. I know you think you are smarter than everyone but you are not. Tells a lot about your intelligence when you don't supply what the person asked, you jump on one word and attack the persons intelligence. Anyway, can you send me the research that shows the Universe is not random? Or is that your opinion? I asked for it 16 hours ago and you've ignored it? Why is that?
This whole "You can't know God does not exist" things is crazy. It all depend on how you define God. We know Zeus does not exist, he lives on mount Olympus, we have searched every inch and no Gods. We know that Yahweh does not exist because as he is defined, he is self contradictory. Is God just the guy who created the universe? So maybe God is an advanced alien nerd with a chemistry set? That 'God' might exist, but I would not call him a God, but others may?
Correct. If you define God as creator of the universe and we are a simulation on some kids computer then yep he is God and if you don't worship him he will torture you for literal eternity
Since humans are not omniscient, there is no possibility to know that God doesn't exist, only God can know if He doesn't exist, which brings us to the following discoveries
Empirical Proof of God's Existence:
(1) 'True' entails a cognitive presence;
(2) We know the laws of the universe were true before they were discovered by corporeal life; therefore...
(3) Since we know the laws of the universe were also true before corporeal life existed, we therefore have identified the existence of a non-corporeal entity that knew the laws were true.
The proof that this pre-corporeal cognitive entity is God:
The cognitive entity necessarily always knew the laws of the universe were true, where, therefore, thinking about the laws' integrity is absent, thereby identifying the omniscient being called God that does not think, it knows.
The proof that there can be only one omniscient being:
The concept of two, or more, omniscient beings is an oxymoron, since omniscience requires exclusivity...only one can be all-knowing; it's an oxymoron to have two or more who are all-knowing.
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The Trinity explained that uses a three piece puzzle, then abstracts to show how all three Persons can also be One Person...
1. We have a three-piece cardboard puzzle that represents God and His essence, paper pulp representing His essence.
2. The three individual pieces of the puzzle, of course, represent Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father.
3. So the question is, how do the three individual pieces also represent the One God? Easy, because each piece is also made of paper pulp, paper pulp representing God's essence!
There’s not really any logic here. The universe is stranger than we can suppose.
@@bryanutility9609 says, "There’s not really any logic here. The universe is stranger than we can suppose."
I said the laws of the universe, not necessarily what we know about them, which is limited. Simply discovering there are laws is enough.
@@brian78045 nothing about what we empirically measure about the universe leads to the god father & Holy Spirit, in fact those concepts came before any serious natural understanding of the world. If there is any empirical observation, the holy trinity is a father mother and children.
Technology: Easy internet access to proof theists are liars, easy proof of the truth. Social media: People are more interested in communicating and gaming with friends than sitting in a church listening to things no one can prove and talking about gods makes them look like fools with their peer group.
Over a quarter of peer reviewed white papers can not be replicated. But who is really the fool.
You can't prove anything either. Just theories and some laws. That lots of people disagree with, even in your own community. And yes people are leaving churches and turning away from god. Do you see the world getting better? Do you see the homeless getting taken care of?
@@jefffriend1306 Errrr did you intend for that to mean anything at all in connection with my comment because it was totally irrelevant to it.
@@jefffriend1306 I can prove your god is unnecessary and doesn't exist. I can prove that evolution evolution occurs is fact. I can prove the age of the universe. And it's totally obvious since gods were invented around 7,000 ago no on has offered any proof one exists. And yes, except for religious conflicts, the world seems to be improving. They wouldn't need to be taken care of if your god existed and was, as claimed, a god of love.
@@Lightbearer616 Sure buddy. Give me your best low IQ reddit response? Or just copy and past what your NPC mind finds with google. You so got me with your response. Good burn with your no real logic response. Seem pretty dumb to me. But oh well, I hope you have a happy life. I know people with Downs who live very full lives. Keep working at life buddy.
(ｰдｰ) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
Skeptic :: (*Michael Shermer*) :: Author -- Mr. Will Gervais~! :: [ Cool ] :: RE: The ''existence'' of -- THE END GAME? [ ''IN PRINCIPLE'' ] .,. ( In concern of ''mortality? ) :: The progressive ''force of continuum'' as *time unfolds throughout our ''lived'' .,. lives .,. presents ''what'' for ''us'' ALL as far as an END GAME ''result'' .,. is concerned?" ( That's all? ) .,. The acquisition of ''purpose'' within the ''context'' .,. of our cognition inheritance as imposed via the ''forces of nature'' .,. as truly enforced? :: Chaos? :: Life? Us = Being ''boxed in''?" :: CORNERED? :: TRAPPED? :: MIRED? :: Etc.? ., Thank you nonetheless! ::
Dying for our sins makes no sense. Rising from the dead is only possible in fairytales. Jesus being the son of god but also kind of god himself, and the father god never being explained just doesn’t work for me at all. Do better.
(ヽ´ω`) It's intelligently designed that if you master evolution it just makes you a baby doctor.
Quiero reformar las prisiones y hospitales mentales para ayudarles a escapar. ¿Quieres vivir el resto de tu vida encerrado o quieres ser libre? El pasado es historia y no se puede cambiar. Ayer fue diferente. Hoy es diferente. Todo cambia. Para escapar tienes que entender Dios existe porque lógicamente es imposible la existencia de la creación o finitud sin el creador o infinitud. ¿Puede ser toda la realidad creada? ¿Por qué? Si contestas correctamente entiendes. Dios es eterno o no creado. Si entiendes ya eres diferente a como eras. Ahora ya sabes que Dios existe. Ahora ya sabes algo más. Ahora ya eres diferente porque entiendes más. Si tu supieses que Dios existe no dirías que crees en Dios, porque es mentira y Dios existe. Dios es realidad inteligente que decidió crear el universo después de haber existido siempre. No estoy pidiendo que me creas sino que pienses rápido para entender la realidad por ti mismo. La realidad no es lo que parece. La Segunda Guerra Mundial y el Holocausto nazi pasó después de que Spinoza descubriese la naturaleza de Dios hace siglos. Es el mayor escándalo de la historia, o uno de los mayores escándalos de la historia de la humanidad. Tenemos una vida y es para siempre. La verdad es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. La verdad es el ateísmo y la religión son malentendidos de la realidad dañinos a Dios. Si piensas en lo que te he dicho te sentirás increíblemente mejor. Dios es la eternidad que asusta. Dios es mortal y todo lo que hacemos lo hacemos a mortalidad. Todo lo que hacemos y decimos y pensamos durante nuestra vida importa, y será para siempre parte de lo que pasó. ¿Cómo sabes si Spinoza no tiene razón si nunca has leído Spinoza? ¿Por qué no das a Spinoza una oportunidad? ¿Por qué no escuchas lo que Spinoza quiso o le dejaron decirte? El tiempo se acaba y es eterno y no se cuando voy a morir. ¿Es el ateísmo una falacia lógica y Dios existe? Todo cambia con la verdad. Si Dios existe la eternidad está garantizada. Dios es para todos igual, el infierno eterno es para las malas personas y el cielo eterno para las buenas. ¿Qué nota te pones a ti mismo en el examen de la vida? ¿Que tal lo hicistes y estás haciendo? Se examina toda tu vida desde el momento en el que decidistes. ¿Eres buena persona o mala, o buena y mala? Para todos es el cielo y también el infierno. Lo que has hecho de bueno para siempre estará contigo, y también lo que has hecho malo. La vida es un examen y la muerte es el resultado. ¿Has aprovado o has suspendido? Morir es encontrar a Dios, que lo es todo, y la historia continúa con los que quedaron vivos. Te estoy explicando como entiendo yo la realidad. Un mundo, un pais sin extranjeros, una humanidad, una ley. La unión hace la fuerza. La realidad es la unión hace la fuerza. La verdad es la unión hace la fuerza. El idioma y el territorio no importan. Por salvar mi vida y la tuya puedo aprender tu idioma y todos vivimos la misma realidad en el universo. Se habla en el idioma que se quiera y se traduce para que no haya malentendidos. No se tiene que hablar en inglés porque el inglés sea el idioma más hablado, se habla para todos. Se habla para que todos entiendan. ¿Qué sentido tiene debatir si Dios existe o no cuando ya se descubrió y se censuró y de nuevo se redescubre y se recensura? ¿Cuantos pensadores racionales tienen que redescubrir Dios existe antes de que la humanidad escuche? No tienes que creer en Dios porque a Dios se llega mediante la razón y los sentidos. Spinoza entendió Dios existe, yo entiendo Dios existe y tú puedes entender. Con la idea de Dios no se juega y la humanidad ha inventado dioses sin saber Dios realmente existe. La humanidad se equivocó. ¿Es posible estar equivocado inventándose dioses horribles? ¿Por qué vives de rodillas? ¿Por qué haces que tus hijos inocentes y vulnerables vivan de rodillas? El ateísmo y la religión te están costando tu salud mental y economía. Gracias.
political government is not God free will sovereignty; replace human sovereignty of political government with God free will sovereignty for divine central authority unity
The whole god debate is a big waste of time and energy. You won’t convince anyone who is a believer no matter what argument you present for not being a god and same goes for a theist when trying to convince a non believer.
Try getting these atheist types to address race realism & the fallacy of equality.
People change their opinions and views on life all the time. The rational thing to do when presented with imperial evidence that what you have thought and believed was true isn't true is to accept the data and change your opinion. To do otherwise is just being irrational. So far, no religion has ever been able to present any imperial or credible evidence that any god or gods exist or have ever existed in anything other than the imagination of the human mind. Due to such lack of evidence that one can reasonably rely on, one should not believe it is true.
@@bryanutility9609 The concept of race is a relative new concept. There is only one race in reality and that is the human race, homo sapiens. The surface physical differences are easily explained by environmental evolutionary pressures as well as sexual selection. Equality is based on the fact that every human born should legally be entitled to a fair shake at success in life and be able to live with dignity. That is an ideal that we may never achieve but is an ideal worth pursuing for the sake of being a decent society.
@@rhondah1587 even the ancient Greeks used the term race, it is not new. Differences are more than skin deep. There is less difference between lions & tigers, two separate species.
“One race the human race” is a modern liberal slogan not based on science or genetics. Shermer is wrong the genomic evidence shows as such. He’s behind the times.
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atheism is in clear decline, never ha yt been more filled with videos on all things non atheist
But disbelief is not rising - quite the opposite according to Pew research.
How can someone like Jordan Peterson believe in God?
People are more than the labels forced on them.
I guess because he isn't as smart as many people seem to think he is. He may use big words and talk with a very stern looking face, but that doesn't mean he's got good critical thinking skills or understands the scientific method at all. He has made a living telling other people how best to live their lives while himself having substance addiction, strange unsubstantiated beliefs in invisible sky beings and eating a diet exclusively of cow flesh, water and salt and telling other people that said diet can cure them of their physical injuries. He seems smart to the average person, but the average person can barely string a simple sentence together, so that's understandable.
@@Mr.N0.0nehe's handsome, dresses excentrically, and helps young men find the joy of tidying up their room and their life. That makes him more exciting than most people! Oh and he's rich.
So you believe everything came from nothing and there is no designer? Please show me how you can get order from disorder, life from non-life, and matter from non-matter. You believe in more stupid things than they do.
I suspect his feigned belief opens up marketing opportunities to people with low evidence standards.