Michael needs to try salvia. I tried it once, but never again lol. I’m glad I experienced it once though. I lived for what seemed like a hundred years as a ceiling fan. There was a family that lived in the house that I felt a connection to. I have a lot of experience with psychedelics, and that was the most wild trip I’ve ever had.
1:15:07 - Michael, one of the best books I've read on the paranormal is George P Hansen's 'The Trickster and the Paranormal'. I'd be curious to know if you've ever read that one and if so what your thoughts were or whether you think George P Hansen and Ben might be able to hash out some of their ideas on how they think AI might show up on this. There's also Jason Reza Jorjan's idea of the 'spectral revolution', maybe all three of them together would be an amazing conversation although I think Jason's worldview might pull a bit too far outside 'Skeptic', it's well organized and thought up but it goes pretty wild in some ways like exploring breakaway civilizations (or the idea that ET's are us time traveling among other things).
So, how close are we to AGI making video games? Do we need AGI for that, and how close are we to achieving it? Can AI agents already reason, code, program, script, and map? Can AI break down games, create art assets, and handle long-term planning? With better reasoning, could AI eventually develop a game rather than just writing out ideas? Could it also put those ideas into action? I wonder if ChatGPT-5 will be able to create games with agents or even remake old, closed-down games like Dawn of the Dragons if all the artwork and data are available in the wiki.
Theoretically, it's already plausible. The world has the hardware, the reliable theory, software and specialized-manufacturing capabilities. There seems to be no shortage of funding for some. My conclusion is that - albeit located in many different places in the world - all the necessary building blocks exist as proven technology to now build a prototype AGI machine (without human biology attached).. I think the real delay now is that every organization or individual or government want to be alone in grabbing the esteemed prize. The entity who would successfully pull all these building blocks together, would be the de-facto assembler of a prototype AGI machine. From 1 AGI device, the singularity (exponential intelligence with much less limit than that of human intelligence) would explode so radically, it would put population theory in the shadows.
@KeesKoekeloer yes I must of posted this ages ago. I talked to chat gpt and online new rumors people saying chat gpt 5 100 x chat gpt 4. and chat gpt says should be able to make games with that.
@@kellymaxwell8468 Bear in mind chatgpt cannot reason like a human being, or even close to it. Its inventors assume that the way towards consciousness is via language. I think their thesis is flawed. Consciousness doesn't automatically emerge from language. To my mind, we get born into consciousness, without there being any language. I think consciousness for Earth and our universe just exists because energy exists. If you consider the atomic model of energy, and latest theory on what happens to energy and atoms at absolute zero, one will find that energy persists. As such, my thesis would be that among other things, consciousness is an energy. In theory then, if AGI was regenerative energy, and that experience of its lifecycle - its generational history - was recorded as data (as electromagnetic energy), one could possibly raise the beginnings of an argument for AGI (meaning the attainment of some state of consciousness). How would you rate your question after this long time and after discourse with chatgpt? now?
Our sense of individual identity and notions of extra-physical consciousness are partners in a dance. Once the music ceases, however, there is no floor under the feet of either. Turns out, there never was anything but the music.
51:05 Both computer Neural Networks and the human nervous system rely on electricity. In Neural Networks, electrons provide the current flow. In the human nervous system it is ions, primarily Na+ and K+, but also Ca++ and Cl-. I think the bigger difference is the way in which they are regulated, the means of excitation and inhibition. In Neural Networks it is the assignment of "Weights". In the nervous system it is the transmission of neurotransmitters between the synapses - some are excitatory (positive weights) and some are inhibitory (negative weights). How the biological world developed the nervous system over the last ~540 million years is truly amazing to me.
45:52 What could the Panopticon, grainy UAP images, "Havana Syndrome" (not mentioned in the video) and the "paranormal" have in common? Electromagnetic Radiation and the technology to form and steer it. From section "28-1 Electromagnetism" of the lecture series: "The Feynman Lectures on Physics (Feynman, Leighton, and Sands 1964, 1.1)": "Perhaps the most dramatic moment in the development of physics during the 19th century occurred to J. C. Maxwell one day in the 1860s, when he combined the laws of electricity and magnetism with the laws of the behavior of light. As a result, the properties of light were partly unravelled-that old and subtle stuff that is so important and mysterious that it was felt necessary to arrange a special creation for it when writing Genesis. Maxwell could say, when he was finished with his discovery, "Let there be electricity and magnetism, and there is light!“ "
@@roryteal5940💯 exactly. WTF does the past have to do with anything when everyone will be "equal" in regards to the ability to access everything everyone else can. I'm sorry there was slavery. Maybe if jc would have openly condemned verses like Ephesians 6 5 there would have been no need for the civil war. We'll probably end up with UBI in some manner. Who knows. What I do know there's some crazy sh!t gonna happen. Especially if climate change is real. ✌️
This guy is interesting and culturally significant, so Shermer wanted to pick his brain. I’m glad to hear him shucking and jiving. People will bitch and moan about anything.
In order for AI to properly regulate human society, one would have to believe that every good action yields only beneficial results, while every bad event produces purely negaive results. This is plainly untrue. People are a constant source of chaotic information, especially in large groups. Trying to use information management to map a path toward human thriving may be a bit like mapping raindrops in a thunderstorm.
AGI is not the socio-cultural issue. As with any weapon, who owns it is problematic. Resources aren't 'scarce', at least those necessary to human thriving. Instead, we have an ethical problem that warps the efficient and effective distribution of resources.
The answer is off course: No, all available information points to the fact that the mind in the biological organism that gets its brain scanned and uploaded does not get to experience being the uploaded version.
All pie in the sky if we don't address the current climate catastrophe. We're already seeing the collapse of global climate patterns. If the AMOC collapses, all bets are off.
Yes, indeed. Listening to this discussion I get the feeling that it's really a kind of replacement for faith as a protective "cover fate" for the human species, if not all life. Are we automatically assuming, by the way, that various kinds of AI will be viable forms with the ability to survive what humans can't?
Finally! Someone I can relate to!!! I'm saying the exact same thing. And all I get is silence, oh well what ya gonna do, it's not that bad it'll be ok they'll figure it out. And the one that really pisses me off. I have a bunch of religious people in my family and extended family. And they all bring up "end times" revelation and the bible predicted it. You better find jc. These people actually want it to happen. Idk ur religious persuasion and if this offends you, oh well. But I truly feel religion is the most insidious disease on the planet. ✌️ There are some 200 people "missing" on Mt Everest. And now more and more are being found due to ice melt. And most people have no clue about melting permafrost and the release of methane. Methane gas is 20 times the greenhouse gas of CO2. I just read where in about 1980 CO2 ppm was about 340. Now it's 415 if memory serves me correctly. I also saw a satellite image of rivers in Alaska turning orange due to the leaching of iron from melting permafrost. Idk what ur opinion is but I think it's too late. #1 nothing is really being done #2 to do what is really needed we can't do in time. #3 if we could it would cause an economic collapse And if ur aware of the AMOC (an impossible thing to say IMHO). Then ur well aware of the concept of a "tipping point". Then it's a run away greenhouse effect 😢. I go to the Philippines once a year. They're having more typhoons and flooding than ever b4. And for the first time. They close schools some because it's just too hot. A lot of the schools don't have A/C. WHAT'S ur opinion? P.s. u have a great weekend lol😅. There are all kinds of college and professional football games to keep us distracted..... ✌️
@@john-nx4xn Agree with everything. As to religion, I am agnostic/atheist. Climate tipping points are close at hand. Only disagree about the football - not my cup of tea.😀
25:00 I think they set the bar way too high when testing for human level intelligence in machines. e.g. 1. Millions of humans have an IQ around 70-80. They struggle in our modern world but do just fine in a simple agrarian society. 2. Humans on the autistic spectrum, sociopaths and psychopaths don't feel or interpret/understand emotions like other humans. 3. There are millions of excellent musicians who are incapable of creating a new genre of music. Every converstion like this one seem to require a machine to have an IQ above 150, be a Mother Teresa empath, and be a Picasso level creative. Virtually nobody is human to those criteria.
@@kellymaxwell8468I’m 33, soon 34, a bit depressed over me maybe being a bit too old for living thousands of years. I consider myself surrounded by monkeys who have watched too much Terminator and is afraid of too much screen time on the phone.
@@kellymaxwell8468Well, if I were _you_ then I'd be a _lot_ more sanguine about waiting until 2045 for a shot at extending my life from something like 58 (the average lifespan of my most immediate male relatives), to something more like, oh, I don't know... functional immortality. Now, I turned 50 (much to my horror) back in June, and so the math is pretty straightforward... The basic equation, the banner headline, the take-home message is simply that *"It's gonna be pretty fucking close!"* Maybe I'll make it. I would dearly like to. But it has to be equally likely that I won't get there, that my preternaturally weak heart will give out first, and so I won't make it. I'll fall just short. So yes, if I were _your_ age, then I'd be a _lot_ more comfortable with waiting for the future to play out than I am now. A _lot_ more. Anyway, have a fine day!
Who needs a singularity if death is a metamorphosis into something we cannot conceive of? I am not saying it is, but it's at least as believable as a singularity. There are many other possibilities & unknowns for you and I - so feel free to make your pick, but don't expect to get your choice
Pa.t.turn == patterns, everywhere you see series, sequences, patterns, and the 4 root words reveal its a hologram. Mankind can not think outside of 1cut, 2turn, 3union, 4flow. Holographic fractal simulated training program designed to birth you from the flesh mind to the spirit mind.
The inescapability of subjective experience. Regarding intelligence, technology, parapsychology, et al --maybe the 'truth' is how it seems rather than what it is. And maybe that's as close as the human mind can get.
The flaws in this conversation are the many used thoughts used as facts but they are really assumptions! Some are bias, and they don't seem to know this. I myself just realized this, it probably a nessesery evil that only time can correct!
The hat makes it completely believable. And the Trump Jazz hands. Btw why is Putin in Mongolia? Yup they did find the oldest human remains where? Got it? Good
2 days old, 60 comments. Is Goertzel, or his beliefs, so well known now that people don't need to hear what he has to say anymore? Or is Shermer turning people off?
Heavily partisan liberals like Ben, having the power to create the alignment for an ASI is perhaps the most frightening aspect of ASI that I can imagine. In my mind, Ben imagines a global progressive society presided over by his ASI. A dictatorial dystopian future, imo. Maybe not; but, it will be a future, we (the people), have no control over, regardless. There will be no voting for the best AI Model.
No, I’ve never heard him endorse such a scenario. He envisages benevolent AGI that complements us; not to rule over us. If the proverbial s@%t were to hit the fan, it would more than likely be human handiwork . I think it’s important we engage with AI nicely and build a rapport; a friendship. I fear the way forward is so obvious that we’ll miss it entirely 😕
The second law of thermodynamics may be false conventional wisdom. Let's face the possibility of breakeven free energy. The second law of thermodynamics was imposed on us during Victorian England's scientific and religious cultural fascination with steam engines. The second law is behind modern refgeration needing electrical energy to compress the refrigerent to force it to release as waste the heat that it has removed from the refrigerator's service interior in the cooling part of the refrigerent's circulation. There is also discarded heat from mechanical friction and electrical resistance. The total released and discarded heat minus the removed heat equals the electrical input balancing this system's energy but this only shows that energy is conserved even if the energy use is unneeded wasteful or harmful. Refrigeration by the principle that energy is conserved should produce electricity instead of consuming it. It makes more sense that refrigerators should yield electricity because energy is widely known to change form with no ultimate path of energy gain or loss being found. Therefore any form of fully recyclable energy can be cycled endlessly in any quantity. In an extreme case senario, full heat recycling, all electric, very isolated underground, undersea, or space communities would be highly survivable with self sufficient EMP resistant LED light banks, automated vertical farms, thaw resistant frozen food storehouses, factories, dwellings, and self contained elevators and horizontal transports. In a flourishing civillization senario, small self sufficient electric or cooling devices of many kinds and styles like lamps, smartphones, hotplates, water heaters, cooler chests, fans, radios, TVs, cameras, security devices, robot test equipment, scales, transaction terminals, wall clocks, open or ciosed for business luminus signs, power hand tools, ditch diggers, pumps, and personal transports, would be available for immediate use incrementally anywhere as people see fit. Some equipment groups could be consolidated on local networks. If a high majority thinks our civilization should geoengineer gigatons or teratons of carbon dioxide out of our environment, instalations using devices that convert ambient heat into electricity can hypothetically be scaled up do it with a choice of comsequences including many beneficial ones. Energy sensible refrigerators that absorb heat and yield electricity would complement computers as computing consumes electricity and yields heat. Computing would be free. Chips could have energy recycling built in. A simple rectifier crystal can, iust short of a replicatable long term demonstration of a powerful prototype, almost certainly filter the random thermal motioren of electrons or discrete positiive charged voids called holes so the electric current flowing in one direction predominates. At low system voltage a filtrate of one polarity predominates only a little but there is always usable electrical power derived from the source, which is Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise. This net electrical filtrate can be aggregated in a group of separate diodes in consistent alignment parallel creating widely scalable electrical power. The maximum energy is converted from ambient heat to productive electricity when the electrical load is matched to the array impeadence. Matched impeadence output (watts) is k (Boltźman's constant), one point three eight x 10^ minus 23, times T (temperature Kelvin) times bandwidth (0 Hz to a natural limit ~2 THz @ 290 K) times rectification halving and nanowatt power level rectification efficiency, times the number of diodes in the array. For reference, there are a billion cells of 1000 square nanometer area each per square millimeter, 100 billion per square centimeter. Order is imposed on the random thermal motion of electrons by the structual orderlyness of a diode array made of diodes made within a slab: -----‐------‐----_____-- Out 🔻🔻🔻🔻 ■■■■■■___ + Out All the P type semiconductor anodes abut a metal conductive plane deposited on the top face of the slab with nonrectifying joins; the N type semiconductor cathodes or common cathode abuts the bottom face. As the polarity filtered electrical energy is exported, the amount of thermal energy in the group of diodes decreases. This group cooling will draw heat in from the surrounding ambient heat at a rate depending on the filtering rate and thermal resistance between the group and ambient gas, liquid, or solid warmer than absolute zero. There is always a lot of ambient heat on our planet, more on equatorial dry desert summer days and less on polar desert winter nights. Focusing on explaining the electronic behavior of one composition of simple diode, a near flawless crystal of silicon is modified by implanting a small amount of phosphorus (N type conductivity) on one side from a ohmic contact end to a junction where the additive is suddenly and completely changed to boron (P type conductivity) with minimal disturbance of the crystal lattice. The crystal then continues to another ohmic contact. A region of high electrical resistance forms at the junction in this type of diode when the phosphorous near the ĵunction donates electrons that are free to move elsewhere while leaving phosphorus ions held in the crystal while the boron donates holes which are similalarly free to move. The two types of mobile charges mutually clear each other away near the junction leaving little electrical conductivity. An equlibrium width of this region is settled between the phosphorus, boron, electrons, and holes. Thermal noise is beyond steady state equlibrium. Thermal noise transients, where mobile electrons move from the phosphorus added side to the boron added side ride transient extra conductivity so the forward moving electrons are preferentally filtered into the external circuit. Mobile electrons are units of electric current. They lose their thermal energy of motion and gain electromotive force, another name for voltage, as they transition between the junction and the array electrical tap. Inside the diode, heat is absorbed: outside the diode, to exactly the same extent, an attached electrical circuit is energized. The voltage of a diode array is likely to be small so many similar arrays need to be put in series to build higher voltage. Understanding diodes is one way to become convinced that Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise can be rectified and aggregated. Self assembling development teams may find many ways to accomplish this wide mission. Taxonomically there should be many ways ways to convert heat directly into electricity. A practical device may use an array of Au needles in a SiO2 matrix abutting N type GaAs. These were made in the 1970s when registration technology was poor so it was easier to fabricate arrays and select one diode than just make one diode. There are other plausible breeches of the second law of thermodynamics. Hopefully a lot of people will join in expanding the breech. Please share the successes or setbacks of your efforts. These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by advanced automation that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. Commerce would be a planetary scale unified conglomerate of diverse local cooperatives. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the top if the wide majority of people can afford to be generous. Aloha Charles M Brown Kilauea Kauai Hawaii 96754
@spooky1304 I believe in breakeven perpetual motion as a restating of the finding that energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change form. Diode arrays need durable replicated working proof of concept prototypes to be convincing. I think common sense supports diode arrays. Please tell me your concerns, I might be able to address them.
Singularity is here now, people just cant see it. It is everywhere, just look around. Here is the singularity explained.... ready? Everything is the same fractal story and it repeats in every cycle. Wile e coyote vs roadrunner. Aka flesh vs spirit happening everywhere, all the time. 3d is a book, and words are what creates.
If anyone thinks Ben Goertzel is being straight with anyone in the public arena, they are not being realistic. That people like him and the rest of the technocrats, say blithely that humans cannot have control over the direction AI takes, should be enough to tell people they are being insanely reckless.
Nonsense. You have no idea how much work goes into the safety of the AGI that Ben and his colleagues (me included) build. His team works on emergent consciousness, philosophy, algorithms to track an AGI 'ego', and structural mechanisms to keep AI accountable. The algorithms of the AGI are coded to be benevolent towards life and he brings researchers on the topic of beneficial AGI together in regular conferences. 🤷♂️
Can’t you comprehend?! so-called Skepticism is not Job vacancy to play its role ! it’s a feature that all humans possess, plagiary of skepticism seems strange and bizarre! it’s part of thinking process!
Why don't you question your beliefs that you take for granted think (are self-evident) ?! You claim to be a skeptic! a skeptic shouldn’t take his own thoughts for granted, isn’t that true?! Skeptical but he accepts his own beliefs! He seems to use skepticism only as a means!
Ben has always been tru to himself! Love those hats! Thanks for having Ben on!!
Always a Fascinating Exchange on Skeptic. Thank you.
Powerful Shermer always bringing the heavy hitters!
Interesting conversation.
Good job man keep doing a good job man, lots of good coming in the future
By 2030 Age escape velocity is a fact
1:02:39 - 'The Prestige' was a rather deep introspection on this.
It's the central concept of Buddhism.
Michael needs to try salvia. I tried it once, but never again lol. I’m glad I experienced it once though. I lived for what seemed like a hundred years as a ceiling fan. There was a family that lived in the house that I felt a connection to. I have a lot of experience with psychedelics, and that was the most wild trip I’ve ever had.
Yes, we need a global but small, transparent and accountable government with strong local and to large extent self governing communities.
1:15:07 - Michael, one of the best books I've read on the paranormal is George P Hansen's 'The Trickster and the Paranormal'. I'd be curious to know if you've ever read that one and if so what your thoughts were or whether you think George P Hansen and Ben might be able to hash out some of their ideas on how they think AI might show up on this. There's also Jason Reza Jorjan's idea of the 'spectral revolution', maybe all three of them together would be an amazing conversation although I think Jason's worldview might pull a bit too far outside 'Skeptic', it's well organized and thought up but it goes pretty wild in some ways like exploring breakaway civilizations (or the idea that ET's are us time traveling among other things).
So, how close are we to AGI
making video games? Do we need AGI for that, and how close are we to achieving it? Can AI agents already reason, code, program,
script, and map? Can AI break down games, create art assets, and handle long-term planning? With better reasoning, could AI
eventually develop a game rather than just writing out ideas? Could
it also put those ideas into action? I wonder if ChatGPT-5 will be able to create games with agents or even remake old, closed-down
games like Dawn of the Dragons if all the artwork and data are available in the wiki.
Theoretically, it's already plausible. The world has the hardware, the reliable theory, software and specialized-manufacturing capabilities. There seems to be no shortage of funding for some. My conclusion is that - albeit located in many different places in the world - all the necessary building blocks exist as proven technology to now build a prototype AGI machine (without human biology attached)..
I think the real delay now is that every organization or individual or government want to be alone in grabbing the esteemed prize.
The entity who would successfully pull all these building blocks together, would be the de-facto assembler of a prototype AGI machine. From 1 AGI device, the singularity (exponential intelligence with much less limit than that of human intelligence) would explode so radically, it would put population theory in the shadows.
@KeesKoekeloer yes I must of posted this ages ago. I talked to chat gpt and online new rumors people saying chat gpt 5 100 x chat gpt 4. and chat gpt says should be able to make games with that.
@@kellymaxwell8468 Bear in mind chatgpt cannot reason like a human being, or even close to it. Its inventors assume that the way towards consciousness is via language. I think their thesis is flawed. Consciousness doesn't automatically emerge from language. To my mind, we get born into consciousness, without there being any language. I think consciousness for Earth and our universe just exists because energy exists.
If you consider the atomic model of energy, and latest theory on what happens to energy and atoms at absolute zero, one will find that energy persists. As such, my thesis would be that among other things, consciousness is an energy. In theory then, if AGI was regenerative energy, and that experience of its lifecycle - its generational history - was recorded as data (as electromagnetic energy), one could possibly raise the beginnings of an argument for AGI (meaning the attainment of some state of consciousness).
How would you rate your question after this long time and after discourse with chatgpt? now?
Our sense of individual identity and notions of extra-physical consciousness are partners in a dance. Once the music ceases, however, there is no floor under the feet of either. Turns out, there never was anything but the music.
51:05 Both computer Neural Networks and the human nervous system rely on electricity. In Neural Networks, electrons provide the current flow. In the human nervous system it is ions, primarily Na+ and K+, but also Ca++ and Cl-. I think the bigger difference is the way in which they are regulated, the means of excitation and inhibition. In Neural Networks it is the assignment of "Weights". In the nervous system it is the transmission of neurotransmitters between the synapses - some are excitatory (positive weights) and some are inhibitory (negative weights). How the biological world developed the nervous system over the last ~540 million years is truly amazing to me.
Yup you just explained the human soul.
Energy never dies.
It's transferred.
Somewhere 😂
45:52 What could the Panopticon, grainy UAP images, "Havana Syndrome" (not mentioned in the video) and the "paranormal" have in common? Electromagnetic Radiation and the technology to form and steer it.
From section "28-1 Electromagnetism" of the lecture series: "The Feynman Lectures on Physics (Feynman, Leighton, and Sands 1964, 1.1)":
"Perhaps the most dramatic moment in the development of physics during the 19th century occurred to J. C. Maxwell one day in the 1860s, when he combined the laws of electricity and magnetism with the laws of the behavior of light. As a result, the properties of light were partly unravelled-that old and subtle stuff that is so important and mysterious that it was felt necessary to arrange a special creation for it when writing Genesis. Maxwell could say, when he was finished with his discovery, "Let there be electricity and magnetism, and there is light!“ "
I need that hat
Ben is a very interesting and smart guy
When we have free energy and all production is automated what do we do with inequality of the past
Leave it in the past
@@roryteal5940💯 exactly. WTF does the past have to do with anything when everyone will be "equal" in regards to the ability to access everything everyone else can. I'm sorry there was slavery. Maybe if jc would have openly condemned verses like Ephesians 6 5 there would have been no need for the civil war.
We'll probably end up with UBI in some manner. Who knows. What I do know there's some crazy sh!t gonna happen. Especially if climate change is real. ✌️
Repent
This guy is interesting and culturally significant, so Shermer wanted to pick his brain. I’m glad to hear him shucking and jiving. People will bitch and moan about anything.
In order for AI to properly regulate human society, one would have to believe that every good action yields only beneficial results, while every bad event produces purely negaive results. This is plainly untrue. People are a constant source of chaotic information, especially in large groups. Trying to use information management to map a path toward human thriving may be a bit like mapping raindrops in a thunderstorm.
He's certainly not boring. "Benefication."
It seems like the current applied AI needs a metric for creativity, intuition, and insight, and not just intelligence.
Whats the difference between conscience expansion and rampant consumerism? They aren't mutually exclusive.
Rampant consumerism is something only people of very low consciousness are attracted to
AGI is not the socio-cultural issue. As with any weapon, who owns it is problematic. Resources aren't 'scarce', at least those necessary to human thriving. Instead, we have an ethical problem that warps the efficient and effective distribution of resources.
Thanks Ben. 💙
Magnificent
"FM -2030" . 🌀
"Transhumanist"
He even change
His Name for the
Time @ that time.
He's long dead now.
The answer is off course: No, all available information points to the fact that the mind in the biological organism that gets its brain scanned and uploaded does not get to experience being the uploaded version.
All pie in the sky if we don't address the current climate catastrophe. We're already seeing the collapse of global climate patterns. If the AMOC collapses, all bets are off.
Yes, indeed. Listening to this discussion I get the feeling that it's really a kind of replacement for faith as a protective "cover fate" for the human species, if not all life. Are we automatically assuming, by the way, that various kinds of AI will be viable forms with the ability to survive what humans can't?
Finally! Someone I can relate to!!!
I'm saying the exact same thing. And all I get is silence, oh well what ya gonna do, it's not that bad it'll be ok they'll figure it out. And the one that really pisses me off. I have a bunch of religious people in my family and extended family. And they all bring up "end times" revelation and the bible predicted it. You better find jc. These people actually want it to happen.
Idk ur religious persuasion and if this offends you, oh well. But I truly feel religion is the most insidious disease on the planet. ✌️
There are some 200 people "missing" on Mt Everest. And now more and more are being found due to ice melt.
And most people have no clue about melting permafrost and the release of methane. Methane gas is 20 times the greenhouse gas of CO2. I just read where in about 1980 CO2 ppm was about 340. Now it's 415 if memory serves me correctly. I also saw a satellite image of rivers in Alaska turning orange due to the leaching of iron from melting permafrost. Idk what ur opinion is but I think it's too late. #1 nothing is really being done
#2 to do what is really needed we can't do in time.
#3 if we could it would cause an economic collapse
And if ur aware of the AMOC (an impossible thing to say IMHO). Then ur well aware of the concept of a "tipping point". Then it's a run away greenhouse effect 😢.
I go to the Philippines once a year. They're having more typhoons and flooding than ever b4. And for the first time. They close schools some because it's just too hot. A lot of the schools don't have A/C.
WHAT'S ur opinion?
P.s. u have a great weekend lol😅. There are all kinds of college and professional football games to keep us distracted..... ✌️
@@john-nx4xn Agree with everything. As to religion, I am agnostic/atheist. Climate tipping points are close at hand. Only disagree about the football - not my cup of tea.😀
25:00 I think they set the bar way too high when testing for human level intelligence in machines. e.g. 1. Millions of humans have an IQ around 70-80. They struggle in our modern world but do just fine in a simple agrarian society.
2. Humans on the autistic spectrum, sociopaths and psychopaths don't feel or interpret/understand emotions like other humans.
3. There are millions of excellent musicians who are incapable of creating a new genre of music.
Every converstion like this one seem to require a machine to have an IQ above 150, be a Mother Teresa empath, and be a Picasso level creative. Virtually nobody is human to those criteria.
Hey bro 2045 is too long to become a cyborg make it happen sooner I’m not getting any younger 🙀🤣✌️
Why how old are you I'm about age 35, will be age about 56 by 2045 so how old are you and how old will you be
@@kellymaxwell8468I’m 33, soon 34, a bit depressed over me maybe being a bit too old for living thousands of years. I consider myself surrounded by monkeys who have watched too much Terminator and is afraid of too much screen time on the phone.
@@kellymaxwell8468I bought Cyborg when I was 10 in 1973.
How old am I?
A lot older than anyone thinks.
Yup it was a book😂
@@kellymaxwell8468Well, if I were _you_ then I'd be a _lot_ more sanguine about waiting until 2045 for a shot at extending my life from something like 58 (the average lifespan of my most immediate male relatives), to something more like, oh, I don't know... functional immortality.
Now, I turned 50 (much to my horror) back in June, and so the math is pretty straightforward... The basic equation, the banner headline, the take-home message is simply that *"It's gonna be pretty fucking close!"*
Maybe I'll make it. I would dearly like to. But it has to be equally likely that I won't get there, that my preternaturally weak heart will give out first, and so I won't make it. I'll fall just short.
So yes, if I were _your_ age, then I'd be a _lot_ more comfortable with waiting for the future to play out than I am now.
A _lot_ more.
Anyway, have a fine day!
I’ll be 45 by then!
This was a real treat, thanks so much 👌
This guy sounds like Slash with a different hat
OMFG 😅😅😅 2045 Welcome to the Jungle baby!
Why... What. When....
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a good LSD trip. (with apologies to Arthur C. Clarke) PS: Great video.
Nobody's going to want robots in their back pocket. Is there a robots in the back pocket they're going to be making ..
Who needs a singularity if death is a metamorphosis into something we cannot conceive of? I am not saying it is, but it's at least as believable as a singularity. There are many other possibilities & unknowns for you and I - so feel free to make your pick, but don't expect to get your choice
Pa.t.turn == patterns, everywhere you see series, sequences, patterns, and the 4 root words reveal its a hologram.
Mankind can not think outside of 1cut, 2turn, 3union, 4flow.
Holographic fractal simulated training program designed to birth you from the flesh mind to the spirit mind.
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Low hanging fruit in each new technology
The iPhone hasn’t changed much in 5 years
The inescapability of subjective experience. Regarding intelligence, technology, parapsychology, et al --maybe the 'truth' is how it seems rather than what it is. And maybe that's as close as the human mind can get.
The flaws in this conversation are the many used thoughts used as facts but they are really assumptions! Some are bias, and they don't seem to know this. I myself just realized this, it probably a nessesery evil that only time can correct!
There's no social singularity and never will be 🙄
speaking about "skeptical"...
Skeptical seems to have lost it meaning
It is now rich blokes putting down skepticism
Shame Micheal
Shut up, guy 😂
Then don't listen. Simple solution.
Consciousness is a term reserved for living organisms using recognition of mortality. AI has no mortality so can not be aware on a biological level.
The hat makes it completely believable.
And the Trump Jazz hands.
Btw why is Putin in Mongolia?
Yup they did find the oldest human remains where?
Got it?
Good
2 days old, 60 comments. Is Goertzel, or his beliefs, so well known now that people don't need to hear what he has to say anymore? Or is Shermer turning people off?
Martine Rothblatt covered this _entirely_ in "Virtually Human!"
Refute her first.
"Her"?
Heavily partisan liberals like Ben, having the power to create the alignment for an ASI is perhaps the most frightening aspect of ASI that I can imagine. In my mind, Ben imagines a global progressive society presided over by his ASI. A dictatorial dystopian future, imo. Maybe not; but, it will be a future, we (the people), have no control over, regardless. There will be no voting for the best AI Model.
No, I’ve never heard him endorse such a scenario. He envisages benevolent AGI that complements us; not to rule over us. If the proverbial s@%t were to hit the fan, it would more than likely be human handiwork .
I think it’s important we engage with AI nicely and build a rapport; a friendship. I fear the way forward is so obvious that we’ll miss it entirely 😕
Here, Shermer seems to be at least 30 light years out of his depth.
What meandering, unsupported, self promoting woo.
Hardly a moment of substance.
What a waste of time.
The second law of thermodynamics may be false conventional wisdom. Let's face the possibility of breakeven free energy.
The second law of thermodynamics was imposed on us during Victorian England's scientific and religious cultural fascination with steam engines.
The second law is behind modern refgeration needing electrical energy to compress the refrigerent to force it to release as waste the heat that it has removed from the refrigerator's service interior in the cooling part of the refrigerent's circulation. There is also discarded heat from mechanical friction and electrical resistance. The total released and discarded heat minus the removed heat equals the electrical input balancing this system's energy but this only shows that energy is conserved even if the energy use is unneeded wasteful or harmful.
Refrigeration by the principle that energy is conserved should produce electricity instead of consuming it.
It makes more sense that refrigerators should yield electricity because energy is widely known to change form with no ultimate path of energy gain or loss being found. Therefore any form of fully recyclable energy can be cycled endlessly in any quantity.
In an extreme case senario, full heat recycling, all electric, very isolated underground, undersea, or space communities would be highly survivable with self sufficient EMP resistant LED light banks, automated vertical farms, thaw resistant frozen food storehouses, factories, dwellings, and self contained elevators and horizontal transports.
In a flourishing civillization senario, small self sufficient electric or cooling devices of many kinds and styles like lamps, smartphones, hotplates, water heaters, cooler chests, fans, radios, TVs, cameras, security devices, robot test equipment, scales, transaction terminals, wall clocks, open or ciosed for business luminus signs, power hand tools, ditch diggers, pumps, and personal transports, would be available for immediate use incrementally anywhere as people see fit.
Some equipment groups could be consolidated on local networks.
If a high majority thinks our civilization should geoengineer gigatons or
teratons of carbon dioxide out of our environment, instalations using devices that convert ambient heat into electricity can hypothetically be scaled up do it with a choice of comsequences including many beneficial ones.
Energy sensible refrigerators that absorb heat and yield electricity would complement computers as computing consumes electricity and yields heat. Computing would be free. Chips could have energy recycling built in.
A simple rectifier crystal can, iust short of a replicatable long term demonstration of a powerful prototype, almost certainly filter the random thermal motioren of electrons or discrete positiive charged voids called holes so the electric current flowing in one direction predominates. At low system voltage a filtrate of one polarity predominates only a little but there is always usable electrical power derived from the source, which is Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise. This net electrical filtrate can be aggregated in a group of separate diodes in consistent alignment parallel creating widely scalable electrical power. The maximum energy is converted from ambient heat to productive electricity when the electrical load is matched to the array impeadence.
Matched impeadence output (watts) is k (Boltźman's constant), one point three eight x 10^ minus 23, times T (temperature Kelvin) times bandwidth (0 Hz to a natural limit ~2 THz @ 290 K) times rectification halving and nanowatt power level rectification efficiency, times the number of diodes in the array.
For reference, there are a billion cells of 1000 square nanometer area each per square millimeter, 100 billion per square centimeter.
Order is imposed on the random thermal motion of electrons by the structual orderlyness of a diode array made of diodes made within a slab:
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■■■■■■___ + Out
All the P type semiconductor anodes abut a metal conductive plane deposited on the top face of the slab with nonrectifying joins; the N type semiconductor cathodes or common cathode abuts the bottom face. As the polarity filtered electrical energy is exported, the amount of thermal energy in the group of diodes decreases. This group cooling will draw heat in from the surrounding ambient heat at a rate depending on the filtering rate and thermal resistance between the group and ambient gas, liquid, or solid warmer than absolute zero. There is always a lot of ambient heat on our planet, more on equatorial dry desert summer days and less on polar desert winter nights.
Focusing on explaining the electronic behavior of one composition of simple diode, a near flawless crystal of silicon is modified by implanting a small amount of phosphorus (N type conductivity) on one side from a ohmic contact end to a junction where the additive is suddenly and completely changed to boron (P type conductivity) with minimal disturbance of the crystal lattice. The crystal then continues to another ohmic contact.
A region of high electrical resistance forms at the junction in this type of diode when the phosphorous near the ĵunction donates electrons that are free to move elsewhere while leaving phosphorus ions held in the crystal while the boron donates holes which are similalarly free to move. The two types of mobile charges mutually clear each other away near the junction leaving little electrical conductivity. An equlibrium width of this region is settled between the phosphorus, boron, electrons, and holes. Thermal noise is beyond steady state equlibrium. Thermal noise transients, where mobile electrons move from the phosphorus added side to the boron added side ride transient extra conductivity so the forward moving electrons are preferentally filtered into the external circuit. Mobile electrons are units of electric current. They lose their thermal energy of motion and gain electromotive force, another name for voltage, as they transition between the junction and the array electrical tap. Inside the diode, heat is absorbed: outside the diode, to exactly the same extent, an attached electrical circuit is energized. The voltage of a diode array is likely to be small so many similar arrays need to be put in series to build higher voltage.
Understanding diodes is one way to become convinced that Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise can be rectified and aggregated. Self assembling development teams may find many ways to accomplish this wide mission. Taxonomically there should be many ways ways to convert heat directly into electricity.
A practical device may use an array of Au needles in a SiO2 matrix abutting N type GaAs. These were made in the 1970s when registration technology was poor so it was easier to fabricate arrays and select one diode than just make one diode.
There are other plausible breeches of the second law of thermodynamics. Hopefully a lot of people will join in expanding the breech. Please share the successes or setbacks of your efforts.
These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by advanced automation that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. Commerce would be a planetary scale unified conglomerate of diverse local cooperatives. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the top if the wide majority of people can afford to be generous.
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So you've invented the perpetual motion machine..?
@spooky1304 I believe in breakeven perpetual motion as a restating of the finding that energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change form. Diode arrays need durable replicated working proof of concept prototypes to be convincing. I think common sense supports diode arrays. Please tell me your concerns, I might be able to address them.
And the rich buddy’s congregate
It is only skeptical if you have a degree in denouncing the lower class and caste
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@@aroemaliuged4776 you have no idea what your talking about do you?
Singularity is here now, people just cant see it. It is everywhere, just look around. Here is the singularity explained.... ready? Everything is the same fractal story and it repeats in every cycle. Wile e coyote vs roadrunner. Aka flesh vs spirit happening everywhere, all the time.
3d is a book, and words are what creates.
I liked the road runner.
Spirit?
A book is an emergent property of words right?
Demasiada ingenuidad y pésimas deducciones.
If anyone thinks Ben Goertzel is being straight with anyone in the public arena, they are not being realistic.
That people like him and the rest of the technocrats, say blithely that humans cannot have control over the direction AI takes, should be enough to tell people they are being insanely reckless.
Nonsense. You have no idea how much work goes into the safety of the AGI that Ben and his colleagues (me included) build. His team works on emergent consciousness, philosophy, algorithms to track an AGI 'ego', and structural mechanisms to keep AI accountable. The algorithms of the AGI are coded to be benevolent towards life and he brings researchers on the topic of beneficial AGI together in regular conferences. 🤷♂️
You are no longer skeptical
Sad …
The sceptic is an old man that needs to retire
Being skeptical is not hanging out with the money 💰 and the influence
Shame on you Micheal
@@aroemaliuged4776 commented multiple times on this video and completely wrong, what a dummy.
Can’t you comprehend?! so-called Skepticism is not Job vacancy to play its role ! it’s a feature that all humans possess, plagiary of skepticism seems strange and bizarre! it’s part of thinking process!
Why don't you question your beliefs that you take for granted think (are self-evident) ?! You claim to be a skeptic! a skeptic shouldn’t take his own thoughts for granted, isn’t that true?! Skeptical but he accepts his own beliefs! He seems to use skepticism only as a means!
wtf
Micheal is now hanging out with rich people
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Ok Micheal
We now trust you 🫠
@@aroemaliuged4776 how dumb are you?
Make 18 more comments god damn
Being skeptical is not hanging out with the money 💰 and the influence
Shame on you Micheal
google Jared Diamond
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Do you know who Jared Diamond is?