Jesse Wants to Do Steroids
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Have you asked yourself if it is time to take steroids? In this video I am going to cover the thought process that goes on when someone decides to consider the use of steroids and other PEDs and whether or not it is a viable discussion to have.
In this iteration of AX Jeff, we have a question submitted by ATHLEAN-X’s own Jesse Laico. Jesse asks the question of whether or not it is time he should consider the use of steroids to help his training. Noting that he has made significant progress in his strength and physique, he feels left behind. He notes that people he sees at the gym and on social media making “more” progress than him and that these people are showcasing a “greater” physique or strength levels. Jesse even notes that if he could achieve even a fraction of the progress they’ve made, he would be happy.
Now, this line of thinking is not isolated to Jesse. There are many people out there, especially younger than him and with less training history under the belt that consider the use of steroids and PEDs. Where do these thoughts come from? Well, it certainly has a lot to do with the use of social media. There are many out there who abuse steroids and showcase their accomplishments on social media and they are leaving an impression on thousands of people that I think is negative.
Some people might accuse me of virtue-signaling a natural status and consider that a negative. I will gladly wear that badge as I believe that the more you can achieve on your own with the assistance of performance enhancing drugs, the more self accomplishment you will have. Maybe you won’t look as big and as lean as who you see on social media, or maybe you won’t be as strong, but there is something to say about being able to achieve what you can without assistance.
I think it’s a bad idea to compare yourself to those you see on social media because often, they have a different starting point than you. If you take a look at someone like Larry Wheels, he likely didn’t start at the same place that Jesse did. His mass, strength, and even bone structure is, at a baseline, higher than Jesse’s. Even if he were a natural lifter, he likely would have a greater advantage at growing than someone who started with Jesse’s baseline.
Does that mean you are doomed? Absolutely not! When it comes to building muscle and gaining strength, I think that it is important to understand that the progress you make naturally is more impressive than what you can do with the assistance of steroids and other PEDs. If you can build muscle naturally, then you can attribute all of your success to the hard work you’ve applied to not only your training, but your recovery and your nutrition.
If someone were to start taking steroids, especially early in their training, how much of their success can they attribute to their own hard work? Was it them training hard, dialing in their nutrition, and prioritizing their recovery? Or was it the “extra help” that they received? I think that if you stave off that desire, you will be more proud of the accomplishments you have made naturally.
When you are trying to build muscle, you don’t need to look at what others have achieved in order to gauge your own success. There are plenty of people on the internet that have said Jesse’s progress is nothing to showcase, that they can achieve the same amount of progress he has in a fraction of the time. These people themselves have been influenced by what they see on social media and are likely showcasing their own insecurities.
You have to consider the health ramifications that come along with the use of sterodis and not just physically, but mentally as well. Jesse has been public about his struggles with depression and anxiety and we know that the use of steroids can affect this further negatively. There are also the physical health considerations that you have to take note of. This personal decision can have lasting interpersonal consequences. If something were to happen to you, you would not only be affecting yourself, but those that love and care about you.
So, before you consider taking steroids, there are some things you need to consider when it comes to your health as well as your own sense of accomplishments. There is nothing wrong with being a natural lifter and I would argue that it makes the progress you’ve made even more impressive.
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Get rid of social media and watch how fast you’ll start being happy with yourself
Amen 😂
Literally put instagram in a folder in your phone and be happier everyday, it works
There's some good things about social media but man, overall I think it's a net negative for society.
Does UA-cam count?
@@JronDon854 that would depend on the person. I don’t post content so I’m not getting feedback, Jesse however does post content and reads the comments so it would apply to him
560 DL + 430 squat? That’s amazing, I could only dream of what it’s like to live, breathe, and move with that much strength. Hats off to ya, Jesse
its kinda insane lol especially the guy was 130 pounds im far from that after years and years of train...
Strong AF!
Strong dude! Don't do the sauce as it seems you have an underlying issue with yourself. You think ppl will stop hating if you put on 20 more pounds with the sauce? Come on you aren't that naive.
A 325% bw deadlift is all he has to show to prove where he's at. That's damn near elite.
Those numbers are incredibly impressive. Dude is legit strong. I'm guessing he wants to look bulkier and have more of the show muscles rather than the go muscles. For that I would consider training a bit more like a body builder and less like a power lifter.
Jesse, you have the physique that 95% of guys would die for. Your gains are nothing short of jaw dropping. I have watched all of Jeff’s videos and the ones with you are the most fun and relatable!😊. I’m with the majority, remove social media from your life and discover the happiness that action enacts. You are lucky to have an opportunity to be trained by Jeff. I have been trying to sign up with Athlean-x for a long time but spots aren’t available. I’m glad you two are so successful and ignore the haters that SAY they can do things but we don’t KNOW if they can.
bro is in the 1000 pound club without even bench pressing lol
I love how hard this channel is fighting for its viewers’ health. The courage to tackle these important issues can literally save lives.
This video shows another side of Jeff. I've always thought of him as a well-educated and knowledgeable guy, but this shows that he's also a wise and philosophical guy.
Jesse, you realize the same people now who say you haven’t made big gains are the same people who are going to turn around and say none of the steroid gains are yours, or sold out, or otherwise find another way to insult you because they’re jealous!
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This comment needs to be the top comment.
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I've never heard of this guy I just wanna know, jealous of what? Looking like a normal guy lmfao
@@DefNotKDsBurner🤡
This is such a good video. Not just because the information and thoughts are helpful, but also because it shows Jeff's genuine care for his audience.
Absolutely, Jeff is a great ambassador.
People saying that the gains Jesse made would've been possible for him in half a year or even a year are delusional.
Definitely possible with the right genetics.
Saying otherwise is also delusional.
Not talking about myself BTW, unfortunately. But they do exist. I know a few.
it is possible...have you not cycled
@@--SPQR-- yepp. But luck's definitely another factor and people seem to forget (or ignore?) this.
One injury and all your plans crumble.
And you can't predict or prevent it. It can be the dumbest thing. One wrong step down the stairs, someone bumping into you...
I once dislocated my shoulder while getting out of a tight fitting leather jacket. ^^
Another time I stepped into a nail... they had to operate on my foot and I couldn't walk or do anything really for two months.
It is possible but not for most people, probably not for those making those comments either
@@--SPQR-- "would've been possible for him" read before you comment, he has his genetics and no one else's.
Jesse looks so good he’s an official respected and listened to member of the most popular fitness page on UA-cam. Man is literally IN the industry and looks like he belongs there. We all compare ourselves to others and I’m sure people compare themselves to Jesse.
You cant even tell he works out. He has no clue how to workout or eat.
Great job guys and perfect timing. I'm 53 and workout with my 16-year-old son, teaching him all the mistakes I've made along the way and what I have learned (mostly thanks to this channel). Although my son says he has no interest in steroids, he has friends that do. One of his friend's dad has even come to me asking for advice on how to handle the situation. I sent him this video and said, "Can't explain it any better than this." I sent it to both my boys as well as I'm concerned that my 16-year-old may see the gains his friends are making and feel he has to keep up. I'm so proud of where he has come in just the short nine months that we've been working out together. Your channel and videos like this only strengthen what I'm trying to teach him. I wish I had you guys when I was 16 and first starting out. Keep up the great work.
Jessy is underrated, even in his own mind...
He has what millions of others don't... strength, physique, popularity, humor, job and a great friend by his side...
Jessy playing with that blessed hand.
The greatest comment
Jesse can deadlift more than most juiced up monsters weighing 60lbs more. That’s something truly deserving of respect
With that beard, he doesn't even need to lift. Jokes aside though, bro looks good fr.
Jesse was a fantastic edition to Jeff’s channel. Very good move on Jeff’s part moving him from behind the camera to in front.
Jessie, dude, are you serious?? You look f%$kin awesome and have the physique most men would kill for. Don't listen to those who critisize you - they have likely never even stepped into a gym. Keep up the good work and forget all the 'never big enough' mindset. As someone who has been in the gym for over 35 years allow me to assure you you WILL NEVER be big enough, steroids or no steroids. It's the bodybuilder's eternal monkey on the back. Just know that what you don't see, others are admiring.
If I looked half as good as him, I'd be ecstatic.
I'm on my way, down nearly 30 pounds since March!
People gotta stop comparing themselves to others though.
Great comment
Got jealous with that squat shoulder push he was going. Dude looked more ripped than my jeans as a young fashionable teen
This is the first time I saw Jesse in about 3 years. I didn't know the comment they read was from him, but to be honest the first thing I thought was "he looks the same as three years ago." Not a bad thing of course, he looks good and a lot of men would be contented to have his body. But if his goal was to get bigger all this time, chances are he is doing something wrong. Perhaps he got stronger, more conditioned etc, and again he looks good already. But if we are talking about hypertrophy, it was never this channel's specialty. If you watch scientists and coaches specializing on getting bigger, and if you read researches on hypertrophy, you will see they radically differ from Jeff's approach towards almost everything: Exercise selection, execution, volume, nutrition, etc. It has nothing to do with steroids. It is obviously and absolutely possible for a young man to get bigger than 165 if he consistently and specifically trains to get bigger for over 5 years, even if he has bad genetics and started at 135 bodyweight.
People that criticize him are jealous because they had to take steroids to get beyond that point but they know they couldn't acheive what he did without steroids. So they invite him to join the steroids users and try to shame him to take that pride from him.
I read a quote that said, "Comparison is the thief of joy."
Yeah I read that a lot. It is bullshit.
So true
Well said
We have the same in Morocco 🇲🇦
Old swimmer here: not worth it. As a retirement ager who has done decades of swimming competitively, I find that I'm competing against ghosts-of-swimming-past.
How fast am I compared to when I started competing 49 years ago? Actually, I'm a lot faster. Not the fastest I've ever been, but I'm actually far faster than I was 7 years ago.
Compare your own apples to your apples, not to somebody else's oranges.
It can also be a good teacher though.
In a sea of juiced up jerks. Jesse is an inspiration to those of us not afraid to earn our strength the hard way.
Alleluia. Natural is the way. Takes long and hard work needed. Be strong and functional for yourself and for your family. End of story. Screw everybody else.🎉
I love how such a father Jeff was in this video.
It responds to the crisis of fatherlessness in our culture, where drugs and addictions all numb us of this problem.
Well put my man ..we need more guys like this in the world
Jessie your progress is insane many people give up and you look at you 💪🏽
i look better than jesse at 6'3 239lbs, but i actually deadlift and squat less. Jesse, you damn beast
@@DanielWebb-th4ik no you don't.
Brad pitt in Snatch.... has jessies bodytype. Girls be drooling over him.
@@imperialknight3942 sounds what a small nobody would say
@@imperialknight3942 you sound like a gayboi coming at me with that lol
This video is not just about steroids, it's about life and happiness and I'm grateful I watched it. Thanks Jeff, I do face pulls in your honor every back day. Thanks for the face pulls too
I did face pulls in Michigan tonight at the YMCA and thought about Jeff and Jessie's technique video. Thanks
@@pben521MI represent
Jeff would say: Do Facepulls everyday! 😂
Jeff and Jessie, I'm 49 years old and have put on 16 pounds of lean mass in less than a year based on your videos. I'm 6 ft 5 and 210 pounds now vs 194 pounds. I'm very very happy with my progress and my body now after spending too many years just being skinny. Thank you both. Jesse, your transformation is amazing...plain and simple. Social media is a curse and leaves all of us feeling inferior to others. Its not worth it. Dump social media. If you're not a professional athlete and you're considering steroids, you MUST QUESTION how insecure you really are. That goes for all of us measuring ourselves to those exhibiting "perfection" on social media.
Been watching yall for years. This is the most honest and best video yall have ever made. We have all been tempted with this decision. Much respect Jeff for the way u answered not putting anyone down
Social media while beneficial, is also a CURSE of our time.
At the end of the day social media is free. What isn’t is the time and energy you give it. Be mindful what you consume, is it good or evil? Your mind is your temple, how you guard it is your choice.
The curse is currently burying the benefits. I hope that reverses someday.
@@danielchavez8223wise words brother, respect.
Especially Tiktok. It literally altered the human attention span. It literally altered a the human brain worldwide.
Every gift is a curse
People need self therapy and not steroids
I was literally talking to my buddy today about needing therapy about his body image.
@@joshuamelendez2604did you guys kiss after?
@Jesse-hk8ls awww
Yeah, dont let man do shit that will damage his brain etc. There is no steroid or protein in the world that will help man with having bigger pp.
not if they want big fucking muscles, are you going through something right now? Or just out here trying to play a hero?
A video about Jesse with no “Jesse Intro”? You don’t need steroids, you need to bring your intros back. That’s the real juice!
Fo'realz 🤘
So true!
Being natural is the fountain of youth! I've been watching this channel for years and I saw all your development and I'm also very proud of you, that's why I can easily say: Jesse, you're an inspiration, man! Don't do it. You have no need for it, no one has. Your gains are true and so are you. Thank you for your hard work and kindness. Greetings from Brazil.
Jesse, as someone over 40 here, I can’t explain to you how much your transformation has motivated me. Knowing you can achieve what you did naturally is really inspiring
This is the type of content that makes you guys stand out over other content creators. The honesty and humanity you show in every single video is simply outstanding. I only wish I could upvote more times
The negative comments are likely people you wouldn’t want to take advice from anyways in life. You’re killin it dude, keep up the good work. You deadlifted more than me in my prime late 20’s on anabolics. Only person you should compare yourself to as yourself from yesterday. Keep up the good work, man.
Well said.
Don't do it, Jesse. Ignore the haters.
he better not if he truly loves himself he wont
For real. Jessie needs to learn at least 2/3 of the internet is inhabited by human sewage who exist to weigh others down. Keep your heads up, stay clean.
@@shiftymcgee9359no shit man! You are correct
Me “I’m training everyday and my goal is to look like Jesse”
facts lol
Jesse, those deadlift and squat numbers are insane. Killing it. Side note, I dropped all social media in March. After about a week I kind of forgot about it, and 5 months later I definitely feel so much better, and am not missing anything. Self esteem at an all time high lol.
Yet here you are... smh. You are aware youtube is also social media?? 😂.
I want to look like Jesse. And I want to live into my eighties. So I’ll stay natural and just keep grinding
Based "i wanna wreck my 20 year old grandkids when playing football" exercise enjoyer.
My favorite inspirational comment! Thanks!
"I wish that I had Jessie's glutes. Where can I find me a body like that?"
0:20 J̶e̶s̶s̶e̶'s question
2:30 Jeff's Strength question
4:35 Jeff's Body question
6:35 Natty virtue
7:55 Anxiety depression
9:10 Your loved ones
11:45 Happiness, Never enough
14:05 When to take Steroid
Tbh Jesse I wish to look as good as you, you doing well, you made progress. Keep pushing
I bought several of Jeff’s programs and posted a question on the FAQ a few months back about how discouraged I was about my progress and how I felt like I wasn’t making progress fast enough and was just considering quitting. Jesse actually commented on my post and encouraged me and it really helped me continue. We love you jesse and you’ve made a lot of progress for someone who looked the way you did before. You have changed and you have made significant progress, and you’re only gonna get better as you keep going. I think we relate a lot because I’ve been a hard gainer for a long time and it does mess with your head. But we’re here for you and you’re doing amazing
i started working out in 2019 - i made some good progress but stopped when the pandemic hit. now here we are years later and you've kept it up and have an amazing body and I have to start from almost ground zero. you should be proud that you've kept it up! I am very determined to keep it up now and reach what you've reached! Most people who are well meaning are proud and appreciative of you
"if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it" - John Candy
yup the negative effects are forever though
@GameN3rdz Nothing lasts forever. Everything stops eventually.
feel the rhythm!
feel the rhyme!
get on up!
it's steroids time!
Cbum says otherwise
Yes coming from the man who had a cocaine induced heart attack 😂
Jeff isn't just a fitness coach. He is a mentor also.
He's a daddyy too!
Never clicked on a video so fast
Bro fr 😂
Same 😂
Me too!!!
I was interested af!
fr 💀
literally
Figured I’d leave a personal anecdote for Jesse on the mental health side of things. I lost 200 pounds a few years ago. Starting feeling shitty about loose skin and how I looked compared to others started using steroids to try to “make up the difference” since other people had better starting point. Used for 2 years Cruise and Cycle altogether. I’m 27 now. Been natural again for almost a year now. Worst mistake of my life. As someone who also has depression and severe PTSD due to some abusive childhood home life things. I almost took my own life towards the end of my run. Tried 3 times was lucky enough to fail. Took me about 7 months to start feeling normal again after coming off too. Steroids especially for those with severe mental health are awful. I spent 13 years in therapy working through trauma. I conquered my anger my insecurities. Now even to this day I’m still trying to learn to real back in my anger and anxiety sometimes. It undid a lot of really important self work. Don’t do them Jesse. Just stay natural.
Jesse - The purpose of the AthleanX videos, in large part, have been to help others reach their physical goals - which is great. I have benefited from them greatly. This video is next level. Your openness and transparency will doubtless inspire people to work harder physically, while at the same time have a right/healthy mental focus. The only things this video was missing was inspirational pump-you-up music - because it was so awesome! This is the sort of inspiring video young athletes (...and older athletes) who are navigating though muscle building and what a healthy mental focus is, should be watching. Thank you! Way to have an impact, bro!
Jesse, stop listening to the fucktard haters! I got crazy respect for what you have accomplished and how you accomplished it. I'm almost 57 and I've never come close to your PR's. Love you brother
I’d rather look good then have a big PR. Actually I train daily and never go for PR or care about that. That’s an ego thing. I rather look amazing.
Jessie! Your deadlift PR is insane. Keep up the good work big guy. You're crushing it!
Jeff is the type of guy to put in his 2weeks notice before switching gyms
😂😂😂😂
Jesse squatting/deadlifting 3-4 times his bodyweight and still thinking he's small.....
Guy's a beast.
Strong and big are two different things. Many people work out for appearance, not performance.
Deadlift not squat
I'm jealous. I have an injury that makes it almost impossible to do real squats and dead lifts. I miss them bad. Le sigh.
It’s a clear symptom of a society obsessed with appearances over function. His strength is excellent . Thats enough.
Jessie, the first videos I watched from Athlean X were about rounded shoulders and you were used as an example for the exercises. Sometimes I remember you then and think of how your posture improved, and that motivates me to continue stretching and strengthening my muscles to improve my posture. I know your progress wasn't achieved by the same five exercises in a video posted years ago, but what I'm saying is that I thought of you a few times and that motivated me to keep working on my goals. I don't follow social media and my ideal body type is more lean, like ballet dancers. So I, for one, think you look great and that your progress is really amazing. I hope you feel that, too.
People gotta stop listening to unhappy, jealous, miserable people. Jesse has become a beast! Incredible journey that majority of people are jealous of. Be proud of what u have accomplished! Love the videos!
Dude, Jesse looks like a freakin' BEAST to me. Ideal male physique, imo.
I think most women would even prefer Jesse's build to the roided body builder.
@@limitisillusion7 It makes sense. I'm pretty sure I read a scientific study that showed that.
@@limitisillusion7 Indeed, because it looks more natural ;)
Agreed!
@@limitisillusion7Plus roided bodybuilders are big butted, small balls chickens with uncomfortably pump chest
We don't need steroids what we need is to know how to get an 80s style montage to fastrack our gains
"There's no easy way out"
this guys askin the real questions
One way street is very relaxing, and others from the Rocky 4 soundtrack
@@josephtanner3983 "There's no shortcut hoooome!"
Hearts on fire, strong desire rages deep within
Hearts on fire, fever's risin' high
The moment of truth draws near.
I watched a video about Jesse's progress about a year ago. Saw a comment to the effect of "Ha ha, I could put on that much muscle in two weeks", followed shortly by another comment that read, "Obviously you're on steroids". Two polar opposite conclusions drawn from the same information. The first person (likely on steroids) needed to elevate himself by diminishing Jesse's gains. The second needed to justify his own failures by diminishing Jesse's effort. Jesse should be proud that his results came from consistency, hard work and effort and not from a syringe.
This was a brilliant set of reframes. Good job, Jeff. I'd love to add that for people who are not competitive bodybuilders, the desire to do something as damaging as steroids comes from the belief that they're not enough. It's an insecurity. Working on eliminating those insecurities will expose the innate confidence underneath and be happy with their current gains while also seeking further improvements because they just enjoy training.
You impressed me by your last argument of interpersonal ramifications. Many act like they're only individuals not tied to other people who they would affect by their actions. Respect and peace! Sajid.
The worst is when family who don't know anything about the hard work it takes to make progress in the gym make negative comments. That sticks with you
YES!! I find it worse when they see Reacher or a show like that and turn to you say "you work out. How come you don't look like that?" When you say "because he's on steroids", they argue with you.
f*ck em
@@dwaynecunningham2164 hate to be negative back as well, but sometimes I feel like saying lets workout together but the ones that say hegative remarks "never have time or make excuses"
Bro this is so true. I've been working out for over 4 years now. Someone at work who is literally old school friends with ronnie coleman (she called him with me on her cell phone), was like "oh do you like weightlifting? try out protein." I was like wtf, I have like 1-2 shakes per day and FOCUS on protein eery day lmao
@yurtyybomb YEAH BUDDYYY!!!! LIGHT WEIGHT BABYYYY!!!!!!
Jesse I don’t know you personally but I have watched y’all’s videos on and off for a lot of years. Stand firm brother be you. Don’t listen to weak people comparing themselves to you. You have grown in an area that you might not be natural at but great gains and didn’t choose something else to get you there. Be proud of the work and time put in. Focus on being proud of what has been accomplished. Next step in strength training (to add to your natural strength training) strengthen your self internally. Seek God first, die to self, encourage other people who are struggling. Maybe someone starting where you did. Or wrestling with things you do. Growth in life is a lot more than the superficial and maybe this is where you have come to now. Who knows might not give up because of you. Humor is definitely a strong suit with and that could help someone. People get caught up superficial stuff and then death or something else comes and not ready. Hang in there stand firm. Don’t listen to the punks comparing. If they have easier results than you if not weak internally they don’t need to comment. Stand firm
Steroids aren't worth the costs of long term health.
depends on how you use them, jay cutler levels is to much, the way i use them is sick as fuck homey
vaping thc is worse than steriods, and smoking weed is worse than steriods on the heart lungs and stamina. Id rather take steriods than smoke weed, i gotta have something
@@DanielWebb-th4ik watch jeff nippard videos on steroids, its shown even small dosages can have long term effects on your health
@@DanielWebb-th4ikim glad you have jay cutlers exact protocol
Wrong. ABUSE of steroids is tho.
This channel rocks. Jeff's knowledge, intelligence, and honesty are a breath of fresh air. I (and a lot of others) say THANKS, man!
Jesse, it’s impressive how openly you share publicly. Congrats! Vulnerability can open many doors
Jesse, you’re a huge inspiration to me. Been following Athlean X for a few years now and the progress I’ve seen in your strength and size gains is incredible. Stay natty so you stick around longer for us, and keep working hard. You dropped this king👑
Jeff can you please confirm if you’re coming to my birthday party? My mom wants to know if she needs to get an extra pizza
you'd have better luck with carrot cake lmao
@@itsdox7433 Is there going to be a bouncy castle?
@@AzureFan1I'll go if there's one of those lol
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Chiming in - gains are ultimately just a physical sign of power. If you are getting gains but still deeply dissatisfied, you may want to look for growing your power in other ways. I suggest taking up boxing or judo & see if the enpowerment from there is what you're really looking for. All the best, Jesse!
Jesse? Seriously? You're an f*ing beast! U have made PHENOMENAL progress! I've been training hard, following the AX programs, for about 5 years, haven't made half the progress u have, & am still.....pleased, for the most part (the #s on the plates haven't gone up much, though 😞 ....mind u, I am turning 60 this year, & I'm sure thats playing a part)
Great video and so true. Stop comparing to others and focus on earning your true potential through hard work and consistency. Thanks for the message. Jesse you are a beast! Enjoy it because you earned it! 💪
Jesse - I too weigh 165 lbs…and I’ve weighed that for most of my 56 year life. Keep enjoying your amazing gains, as you had a completely “blank slate” to start with (as I did as a very skinny kid!). You can only keep going UP!
I should also say that, with the great help of you and Jeff with all the great tips, I’m the happiest I’ve been NOW!…after 4 decades of lifting! I still weigh 165 lbs but I “wear it well!” 😀
Why does everything have to be about size; who wouldn’t rather have the perfect body of a classic boxer, or, for that matter, a classical Greco Roman statue (there are literally hundreds of thousands of examples to see all over Greece and Italy)? That kind of physique is lean, subtle and fits into a suit perfectly. “Thinish” when compared to someone absolutely fixated on bulk but who can’t throw a punch, kick a ball, do a high jump or even hold themselves up on a bar for more than three seconds. So what’s it all for? Certainly NOT aesthetics since I think Michelangelo knew a lot more about male beauty and proportionality than the modern steroid taker.
did you write this while trying on panties? I just get that impression.
My trainer has the right attitude: she told her best friend who told her that he considers taking steroids that for her there is no "good" level of steroids. Either you take them or not. And if you do, she is out. Because she does not want to worry about him dying of heart attack for no reason. We had such cases here in the Czech Republic. She says that noone needs that sh...t and if one is not willing to work hard and be satisfied with what you achieve, one should stop working out. Because as you say, once you go on the slippery slope of drug addiction, nothing is ever enough.
Not exactly steroid related, but as a woman I get so frustrated watching my husband progress so much faster than me at the gym. Even though I work out more consistently and harder. I also am better about my nutrition, sleep, and not drinking. But guess what, I'm not a man and comparing myself to men won't get me anywhere. I imagine this feeling is similar to a natty man comparing himself to an enhanced man. I'm trying to be proud of my achievements and just measure myself against my past self. Btw you look great!!!
I love the realness and vulnerability of your channel. I can relate to the video, even though, I'm not a guy. It's easier to remember the negative comments. I think depression and anxiety lead us to a desperation that makes us find any way to make them go away. Even if that way won't benefit us. That has been in my experience. I'm still working on my insecurities and increasing my self-esteem. I like that comment that people bash because they wish they could be that person. I think this is the case. If compare Jesse to himself, before and after pictures, he is doing great. And that is all that needs done. I must remember that too, I must not compare my situation to anyone's situation but my own. But I believe we can definitely inspire and encourage each other. I hope Jesse continues to challenge himself naturally. Jesse's example and progress are encouraging me. Thank you. Please keep the videos coming. Stay safe, take care all.
You have to love the journey and live happily within your genetic potential.
Jesse, I remember when you started this journey. You weren't even interested in working out and Jeff was giving you grief for all the gummy bears you were snacking on. I don't think you realize how inspiring your journey has been thus far. And look at you now! You've gained 30 lbs total, and clearly more in muscle, and you look great! Not to mention, you're so hooked on your workouts now that you want even more. I know it isn't easy; our own thoughts can often be our worst enemy, but you don't need to chase the looks of other gym-goers or the praise of those on social media. There will always be someone trying to tear you down. Don't let that someone be you. Instead, tell yourself what I'm sure you'd tell anyone else in an instant that has gone on your journey. And that is that you're doing great, keep it up, and hold your head high! You should be proud of how far you've come.
Exercise is health and lifting weights being natural is a virtue
I missed your content for the last few years and I couldn’t even recognize Jesse with that transition 😃
You both have done some incredible work 💪
As a slim guy (hard gainer), I've been watching this channel for more than 6 years. Seeing Jessie's transformation has been inspirational.
Hold yourself up man! 100,000 positive comments, but our insecurities will make us focus on the toxic 100 negative comments. Forget steroids brother, get a therapist, and transform the mind along with the body 💛. Much love to Athlean X
It's always reassuring to remember where you started. Many times I am jealous of people who make a lot of money and have nice houses and cars. But then I remember that I was born in Soviet Union to a poor family, first person to get a Doctorate, now I live in the US making 6 figures. Wow, that's much better!
In 20 years when you are older and still strong and healthy, have a family, and can live each day without issues you will be happy you chose to not take steroids. Plus you can deadlift/ squat 3-4 times your weight? I would love to be able to do that. Be proud of what you accomplished. Truly amazing.
Steroids are safe and he can have a family healthy 20 years later. You skinny people are crabs in a barrel.
Jeff had us in the first half never gonna lie
Naw fr
I'm 31 and was already on my fitness journey with athlean-x when Jesse started appearing. I remember him starting to dabble before really setting off on his own journey. He caught right up to me, but I never felt jealous of his gains. We look similar though his PR's are definitely higher. Ive only ever trained myself at home, so he makes me feel relieved and confident that I know what's generally to be expected for a natty. Jesse is the control group you can trust
What a great video!!! The messages of, “Some is never enough,” and the message of what level of satisfaction would you get really resonate with me.
Jesse, brother, I’m gonna be honest, and I’ve thought about juicing before, when I was younger, but no bs like your transformation and grit and progressive successes have been a source of motivation and inspiration for me, even, dude. You are a person I have shown to other people to motivate and inspire them for the better , as well… many times actually. I actually look at you with some of your recent lifts and feel a little envious, like god damn man good job.And I’ve been actively strength training and doing martial arts for almost 25 years .Your progress has resonated with my own hard gains and just your consistency shines through dude like a beacon. I’m actually an MFT, and so the mental health concerns are incredibly salient to me too, and I’m so stoked that Jeff took that approach. This was just a phenomenal video. Keep strong. You’re a bad ass.
Well said, I hope he reads all these positive comments, clearly coming from experience and the heart and understands he is loved, envied and has value. He also does a very cool Wookiee impersonation.
Expectations and standards have simply become ridiculous. The physiques of guys who have 1% genetics AND are juicing are now considered attainable by everybody. We need to get realistic about what an average natural lifter is capable of. Jesse looks jacked and has made amazing progress. He's more buff than 95% of men. Be happy with that.
I'm a teacher in my mid 50s working in Poland. Last year I taught three 18 year olds who started taking SARMs and/or GH when they joined the gym. They also drank lots of alcohol and took recreational drugs, some hardcore. All were exceptionally intelligent, but were driven by the images on social media.
When I hit 55 my strength and my libido started to decline. I had my testosterone levels tested and found they were a little low at 300, and through trt I have them stable at ~800. My strength has gone up only a little and my libido a lot. I feel better in every single metric. I don't have any desire to increase my dose, and my doctor wouldn't let me even if I did. I wish Jeff would differentiate between this type of trt use and steroid abuse.
As a 30 year old with lifts like Jesse I'd never consider trt or steroid use. Honestly, he could put on some weight and gain strength at the cost of some body fat gain, easily. For his height 165 is light. I'm only 5'3" and weight a bit more than that with lifts about 20% less than Jesse.
In any case, I honestly think trt can be beneficial to those with low testosterone, especially for guys 50+ where their natural testosterone has dropped. I'd like to hear some distinction and discussion between those cases and those who are merely using it for gains.
Most people who say TRT really mean for performance above normal levels not for medical purposes to restore normal levels like you are doing so they give it a bad name.
He has to be this way for the girls crying in the comment section. But typically steroids monitored by a doctor are low risk. The risks are overhyped because of bodybuilders dropping 5 d balls a day for 2 years straight and wondering why they have liver disease. Then they lay in the hospital "hey kids don't do steroids, you'll end up like me."
Why do you need libido at 55?!?
The time for that has passed.
waaaaaaaah! He's not talking about limp dick. He's talking about people who want to look big and lift more. Libido problems with age is a different thing. And 1d a day a day isn't going to help you. It's fine you talked to your doc and got a dose that helps, but this isn't a medical channel. You don't have to look here for approval to take controlled steroids. Your doctor already gave that to you.
We love you, Jesse! You rule, dude. Take good care of yourself. None of us need to look a certain way or be an exact size and weight. All we really need to do is take care of ourselves, take care of each other, and fuck shit up at the gym. Those are the goals I’m gonna keep reminding myself of
Jesse, I’m 40 and have been back for only 2 years after getting out of the Army and being in a physical and mental haze for 12 years. I can say you have been motivation for me and I’m super proud of you. Thank you for being honest about your struggles, it’s a potential life saver for not just you, but for viewers.
Also, don’t read the comments 😂
I think I'm gonna start. Everyone I know who did it had there life changed massively for the better. They were all nerds that never got any girls. They did one cycle or two and now they all have casual flings with girls that wouldn't even give them a chance otherwise and they were all financial stable dudes beforehand too. Women are so vain. Look at Arnold. His still kicking strong and he blasted copious amounts. I really don't think one or two cycles could really hurt. Problem is I just don't know where to get them from.
Look I'm not condoning this comment. But usanabolic can sort you out. Just stay safe please. I hope you know what you're doing.
I can’t tell if you’re joking. You think having casual flings with a few girls who are vain anyway is gonna make you happy? lol.
So you want to get the attention of women who are attracted to muscle men? What, you want a long term relationship or just dip your wick? I would rather attract a woman who finds me interesting, who enjoys my company and who wants to give me all of herself, and not just her girly bits. And you know what? I did, 37 years ago, and she has chosen to stay with me ever since.
Raise the bar, my friend.
Bro honestly even if you do safety you’re essentially gambling your own life. If you deeply research the adverse effects of steroids, you’re putting yourself at risk for so many health issues such as heart attack, heart disease, liver disease, and even infertility. You’re also putting yourself at risk for things you’re genetically at risk for too and God forbid I hope you’re not at risk for any health issues. Stay natty man, it’s not worth to your risk to life to be acknowledged for the short term.
@@LeGoat2003 Dude this stuff is so exagerrated because of people who abuse it. I don't think anyone has ever died from 400mg of Test weekly over 8 weeks. If you abuse anything you will have severe side effects. KFC abuse has killed just as many people due to Obesity. Yeah if you overdo steroids you will get too large to a point it isn't healthy and grow all your organs too large etc. Moderation to anything is key.
Finally Jeff. I think it's time too. I didn't even started lifting but I think it's time to take some of the good stuff. I'm glad we're on the same page.
But Jesse you are doing so darn good, performance and how you feel inside is all that matters. If you start pushing that bodybuilder build, you're going to get more attention from men unless for women what do you have going on is the athletic build that women love, just like the swimmer's build and just like the Warriors build. You need not worry about looking like an elite bodybuilder. It's pointless.
"bodybuilders" display their inner issues for everyone else to see. Nobody is impressed that you spend too much time and attention on yourself. Congrats on picking up that heavy object and then putting it down. I hope it's a bigger object than your last object you picked up. Enjoy your ammonia byproduct from your excessive protein intake.
Remember folks, people are MUCH more likely to share negative comments/reviews online than positive ones simply because ehen things are tough or make upu upset you cry it for help and want to be heard. When things are great and you like something, people tend to be more passive or content. I am sure that however many bad comments you see here there are a 100 times more positive opinions that we're just not sharing. You inspire the average Joe, not the elite penthouse gym bro with cash for juicing. Keep up the great work! You're awesome, ESPECIALLY because you're natural.
My liver is far too functional and my kidneys are too healthy. Also my heart is way too small and I need these internal organs to be heavily degraded through the abuse of chemicals. Is there hope for me to be able to damage my internal physiology via chemical dependency?
Who asked 😂? Got a bit of a "main character " syndrome going? An organ can fail without warning even in the healthiest person.
Ur heart will grow from training and exercise anyway.
Liver and kidneys will be totally fine providing you don't pound oral steroids and live on mcdonalds.
You do understand that there are millions of people on steroids across the world... Most of which do them completely wrong... And we have how many deaths? How many bodybuilder deaths didn't include insulin, diuretics, recreational drugs, genetic clotting disorders etc? Bc if it includes any of those it's not from the steroids.
Pretty simple stuff.
They aren't miracle drugs... It won't make Ur bench go from 405 to 595 and it won't kill you either. The truth is between the two extremes.
I'm 44, and I'm still pretty shredded. As long as I maintain a healthy weight, and can exercise the way I want, that's all I need.
But, it's just a fact of life, that we all will deteriorate, and it will become difficult to maintain healthy muscle mass, and retain that athleticism that allows you to still be mobile. There WILL come a time when it gets harder to maintain that healthy weight and still workout the way you might want.
There is a serious conversation to be had once that time comes, and I'm always wondering when that might be.
Heck, maybe the amount of maintenance required, or potential side effects makes it not worth it for some people. Or maybe, for some, it might allow you to continue to work out a bit longer, aid you in your mobility, etc.
I'm sure as we all age, being FIT/AGILE on some level might be the difference between slipping and injuring yourself, or catching yourself before you injure yourself.
I'd just be curious to hear THAT conversation.
You will probably have less serious illneses than a couch potato and enjoy a much better quality of life in ur golden years Though the life span diffence between u and the couch guy will still be 2-4 yrs his golden years will be far from that wanted . This is from a long term study involving 10k + people
I love your channel! I have made so much progress doing your workouts! Do you have anything on post workout stretches?
Dude you have been an inspiration to me. Your gains in strength and total commitment are nothing short of incredible
Thank you for this! I appreciate that you addressed the mental health ramifications. There are people like me, who struggle with addiction, who would get consumed and ruined. A little would never be enough. I don't like the person looking back at me in the mirror and I doubt getting a boost from steroids would change that opinion. The message of learning to love yourself for who you are and pushing yourself to your natural limits hits home.
Its not strength, Its your image. A sleeper build is better then all show no go.
Mmm. Na. I would rather look buff but being no stronger than someone who doesn't gym
Dont' even need to watch the video. I've been given the green light!
Lol
We al clicked faster than we should have
100% spot on video. The sense of achievement is the most important factor in keeping me off the sauce. That and the fact that I've made it past 40 and am still in good health. Keep up the great work! 💪🏼💪🏼
This is much needed and really well said. As the dad of a teenage boy I worry about what he sees on SM every day. Steroids are a crazy risk to take just to look better. As Jeff said, just dial in your training and work hard. Respect your health. You don’t get a second go round. And Jessie / man, you look great and your strength is nuts. Respect to you for all the work.
That's it I'm taking steroids thanks jeff
😂
got em!
Lunch is over, and Jesse's on the mic. Save us Jeff.
I've been lifting every day for over 25 years and have missed less that 10 workouts in that time. Most of my life I've had single digit body fat percentages and I've had multiple partners refer to me as having a dad bod. Expectations have truly become demented.
Jealous partners by the sound of it.
Not judging but sounds like the ol' diet might need a tweak.
Having a dad bod and having single digit body fat percentage I think is a stretch, even for people who want to purposely attack someones feelings .
Yeah mate you're nowhere near single digit if multiple people even think of the word bod by looking at your midsection.
I'm sure you look great tho, freak a dexa scan mate
I thought Jessie's early photos were doctored because his transformation is so huge. Jessie, you've made awesome gains! Thanks for having this conversation guys
Courageous, intelligent; invested in your responsibilities as proxy mentors for us all. Great talk.
Smart and strong from beginning to end. I never, ever comment on this site or any other site...ever. But I am proud of you two warriors for bearing down, pushing with shoulder and shield, head forward, against the muck of social media and all the, You-Know-What measuring contests out there.
Thank you both for addressing this in such an articulate and persuasive manner. Thanks guys.
I‘m not ready jeff😣😣😣