Our school buses are all by IC. All of the '02 to '04 buses are equipped with T444's. Then the '05 - '15 models all have MaxxForce DT466's. The Board of Ed. purchased 5 '16 to replace the '02-'04 group over the summer. They're equipped with Cummins ISB6.7's. My old school had some Thomas built Freightliner FS-65's with C15 CAT's. The turbo whine sounded absolutely amazing on them. But they ended up in the garage for service so much that they barely even ran on routes.
yea most of our fleet is newer, we just got rid of our 04 blue bird with a cat in it, it wasn't too bad for the age, alot more powerful than that newer stuff but it just always leaked fluids lol. about half of the fleet are IC with either the Maxx force 6.4 or the 6.0, same engines used by ford. and honestly both are garbage, the 6.0 are bad about the egr coolers popping and then the 6.4 usually have the hipop start to leak or the fuel pressure sensor and then within 2 months the turbos break a shaft. The freightliner we have are the 12' and 13' versions with the isb 6.7 cummins and are good engines, but the exhaust filter stuff is junk. that and the computers always have the controlled area network issues that even freightliner knows about but won't fix lol. then we have the "lovely" freightliner transit style CNG busses that look like they are running a modified version of the old 6bt 24v engine from the 99 dodge lol those are nothing but issues
Oh yeah, the 6.0 and 6.4 PowerStrokes are just crap. Why International decided to replicate them and call them MaxxForce's are beyond me. Had they stuck with a 6.7 or 7.3 PowerStroke, now we're talking. The 7.6L MaxxForce's we have don't have the problems people say they do. The 2013 MF's have issues with destroying turbo's. From what the mechanics say, there isn't enough oil pressure to flow through the turbo, so it just eats the bearings up. Don't get me wrong, I love the new ISB6.7. Sounds great under heavy acceleration, but I just cannot stand the need to have a DEF tank and having to replace the DPF filter every month or so. The driver on my route ended up with a 2016. She's had to replace the DPF filter twice now. If it weren't for a lack of parts and mechanics who would work on the T444's, and stricter emission standards for diesels, we would still be running strong with them. They were built like a tank. You could run them on Kerosene if you absolutely had to LOL.
Hey brother Am about to buy a 91 5.9 12 valves the truck starts great but when I press the pedal the smoke is kind of blue do you think the the engine is about to fall and it’s posible to fix it they sell it to me for 10k the truck but thats my concern can u help me
Id fit this in my d150 on a ramcharger frame...would it fit i got a 5.9l from 1980 in it or do i need to beef the front im shakles n springs all around
I am going to look at a truck has no turbo can I run it just to test it make sure it's drives okay check trans shifts good then I'll order one if I get it? would it do any damage by running it with without on?
The two times a 5.9 sounds like a semi ..... when it’s only got a down pipe from the turbo (with no silencer ring) And you GET ON IT while you shift. And then when you shut it off. ..... each Cummins engine has its own distinct sound. They all sound like a Cummins. But each one is a little different The 5.9 has its distinct sound. That occasionally can sound like a bigger engine like the 400..... But holy shit I want to put a first gen 5.9 in my 91 k3500. I hate the mileage I get. And I hate dicking with the 350 that’s under the hood I love my Muncie 4 speed but I want overdrive.... I either want a 7 speed spicer Or get a 2 speed box from advance and have twin sticks.... Maybe get the engine brake kit they have for the 5.9 but idk if it’ll work for the first gens..... I want to be purely mechanical. Direct injection Ve pump Manual waste gate Manual primer Etc. only wire I want on my engine is the one going to the starter. I want mechanical gauges.....to Mechanical oil gauge .... I know that’s not the smartest thing to have. But it’s easier to deal with. And it never lies to you like an electric one will Mechanical tach Mechanical speedo Mechanical boost gauge. I’m ok with electric temp gauge. Mechanical ammeter Glow plugs which I would hardly ever need in south Texas. But still better to have and not need than to need and not have. I’d probably have to put in coil over shocks to help with the weight of the 900/1000lbs Cummins. Since my truck has what I consider the shittiest suspension system ever..... torsion bars ..... they work. And are east to mess with. But they are rough riding And don’t give you a lot of room to work with in the way of transmissions especially if your truck is 4wd..... which mine is........ I’d use a 3.9 4bt because it would fit easier than the 5.9 but I’d rather have the 6 if I’m gunna be in the b series. And the 6 is a lot cheaper somehow......
If the 5.7L in your K3500 is a problem,just find a N/A or T/C 6.5L,espiecally if you can get one from a Military truck like a M1025-M1046 HMMWV or M1113-M1167 ECV because they are low miles in service compared to civilian trucks put to use.You would be getting 18-20 MPG or more with one anyway,even though they have 200 HP/390 TQ while the 6BT has 160-235 HP/400-460 TQ and would manage 17-19 MPG.But if you are going to run a 5.9L,please use a p pump instead.The p pumps on the 12V 6BT were for 1994-1998,the 1984-1993 6BT's all had the VE44.The 8.3L 6CT for 1985-1998 all had p pumps too,you can use one from those as well,and adjusting the governor would be easy enough.
@@Slim_Slid except the 6.5 has a plethora of problems. I’ve got a buddy at work who drives one He’s already replaced the head studs and moved the PMD but he’s always having issues with the pump drive or fuel leaks...... I’d rather have a 6.9 IDI I like the 6.5s but they take to much work to get them where they need to be..... they were designed to fail for the $$$$.
@@INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D You are thinking about the Duramax.Obviously the 6.5L is almost as old as the Cummins and the 6.2L is even older than the 12 Valve by two years apart.What do you expect? If you buy a 20-30 year old truck,problems are expected...And of course depending on who owned it,it could've been treated like dog shit and ran into the grave.The 6.2L & 6.5L were a huge success that General Motors had because of their fuel efficiency and how cheap they were compared to the 5.0L,5.7L,and 7.4L that were in trucks.They had a huge flaw with the 5.7L Oldsmobile,espiecally in cars.They had the highest rating in fuel economy compared to the Powerstroke and Cummins.Cummins had the perfect balance of power and fuel efficiency at the same time,and the Powerstroke had the most torque of them all,for a stock engine.If they are a failure,then why does the Military still use them? The Army and Marines now have the JLTV with the 6.6L LBZ that came out in 2015,but the HMMWV will not officially retire until 2042,such as the M1113-M1167 which have the T/C 6.5L,and were discontinued in production in 2005.The only problems that were major on the 6.2L & 6.5L were the harmonic balancers and fuel filters,that's it,all easy and cheap to fix.A Navistar will cost more than a Detroit on repairs down the road,the 6.9L-7.3L IDI is a great engine too,but it's not cheap compared to the 6.2L-6.5L.On the M1008-M1031 CUCV,they had a base which was a pain in the ass,that's why a NAPA fuel filter and water separator helped out in a big way,espiecally if you wanted clearence for the valves.If your buddy deals with leaks and head studs,it awfully sounds like his engine might be on the verge of a runaway engine...His harmonic balancer might as well is vibrating probably.
@@thesunflowchannel1995 yeah, but industrial use generally means stationary applications like pumps or generators, or heavy equipment like dozers. any application where the engine speed is set high and generally stays there for hours or days on end.
The two times a 5.9 sounds like a semi ..... when it’s only got a down pipe from the turbo (with no silencer ring) And you GET ON IT while you shift. And then when you shut it off. ..... each Cummins engine has its own distinct sound. They all sound like a Cummins. But each one is a little different The 5.9 has its distinct sound. That occasionally can sound like a bigger engine like the 400..... But holy shit I want to put a first gen 5.9 in my 91 k3500. I hate the mileage I get. And I hate dicking with the 350 that’s under the hood I love my Muncie 4 speed but I want overdrive.... I either want a 7 speed spicer Or get a 2 speed box from advance and have twin sticks.... Maybe get the engine brake kit they have for the 5.9 but idk if it’ll work for the first gens..... I want to be purely mechanical. Direct injection Ve pump Manual waste gate Manual primer Etc. only wire I want on my engine is the one going to the starter. I want mechanical gauges.....to Mechanical oil gauge .... I know that’s not the smartest thing to have. But it’s easier to deal with. And it never lies to you like an electric one will Mechanical tach Mechanical speedo Mechanical boost gauge. I’m ok with electric temp gauge. Mechanical ammeter Glow plugs which I would hardly ever need in south Texas. But still better to have and not need than to need and not have. I’d probably have to put in coil over shocks to help with the weight of the 900/1000lbs Cummins. Since my truck has what I consider the shittiest suspension system ever..... torsion bars ..... they work. And are east to mess with. But they are rough riding And don’t give you a lot of room to work with in the way of transmissions especially if your truck is 4wd..... which mine is........ I’d use a 3.9 4bt because it would fit easier than the 5.9 but I’d rather have the 6 if I’m gunna be in the b series. And the 6 is a lot cheaper somehow......
I like the 6 more than the 4 cause the 6 has more power sounds better (to me) If you want a 4 speed you might have to make a adaptor to fit the 4 speed
That Eaton Fuller is icing on the cake to that 12 valve motor
Cummins engine sound always amazing .. u can recognize 100km away than any other ones
your cat has a good taste in engines lol. this engine is very reliable.
That sound of a good ol fasioned 12 valve. Love it!!
That's the exact setup I have in my 95 1 ton dodge 2 door.
Reminds me of the days taking the school bus
I can't believe this has 27 dislikes. This guy did an amazing job rebuilding this 12 valve.
Tommy R. Martin 27 dislikes probably because of the Fram filter 😂
Or the cat
Gotta love a loyal old 12 valve. I got a 96. I love it
Love that Cummins sound!
Sounds awsome !
I hope you still have it on the stand ready to idle, after all these years
I used to drive the train at six flags fiesta Texas and it uses this same motor. But it uses a hydraulic transmission
cool-info-to-know
this Cummins has the best sound
love it, but junk the fram
is this still for sale? if not do you have others for sale? thanks
Do you have a video of how you weird it up thanks
The cat wants to give his sales pitch as to why CAT engines are better that Cummins.
they are great up until about 150k then the cats usually fall apart lol, atleast the ones in our school buses do
Our school buses are all by IC. All of the '02 to '04 buses are equipped with T444's. Then the '05 - '15 models all have MaxxForce DT466's. The Board of Ed. purchased 5 '16 to replace the '02-'04 group over the summer. They're equipped with Cummins ISB6.7's. My old school had some Thomas built Freightliner FS-65's with C15 CAT's. The turbo whine sounded absolutely amazing on them. But they ended up in the garage for service so much that they barely even ran on routes.
yea most of our fleet is newer, we just got rid of our 04 blue bird with a cat in it, it wasn't too bad for the age, alot more powerful than that newer stuff but it just always leaked fluids lol. about half of the fleet are IC with either the Maxx force 6.4 or the 6.0, same engines used by ford. and honestly both are garbage, the 6.0 are bad about the egr coolers popping and then the 6.4 usually have the hipop start to leak or the fuel pressure sensor and then within 2 months the turbos break a shaft. The freightliner we have are the 12' and 13' versions with the isb 6.7 cummins and are good engines, but the exhaust filter stuff is junk. that and the computers always have the controlled area network issues that even freightliner knows about but won't fix lol. then we have the "lovely" freightliner transit style CNG busses that look like they are running a modified version of the old 6bt 24v engine from the 99 dodge lol those are nothing but issues
you're gonna miss the t444e once you start playing with all the awesome exhaust filter and fluid stuff.
Oh yeah, the 6.0 and 6.4 PowerStrokes are just crap. Why International decided to replicate them and call them MaxxForce's are beyond me. Had they stuck with a 6.7 or 7.3 PowerStroke, now we're talking. The 7.6L MaxxForce's we have don't have the problems people say they do. The 2013 MF's have issues with destroying turbo's. From what the mechanics say, there isn't enough oil pressure to flow through the turbo, so it just eats the bearings up.
Don't get me wrong, I love the new ISB6.7. Sounds great under heavy acceleration, but I just cannot stand the need to have a DEF tank and having to replace the DPF filter every month or so. The driver on my route ended up with a 2016. She's had to replace the DPF filter twice now. If it weren't for a lack of parts and mechanics who would work on the T444's, and stricter emission standards for diesels, we would still be running strong with them. They were built like a tank. You could run them on Kerosene if you absolutely had to LOL.
Sounds good man!
That cat dont care.
Meow!
there is something wrong with that cat
No blow by on a open crankcase motor? How is that possible
1:13 your welcome😁
do you still have this engine? i am very interested. would you trade for a 20 ft camper trailer or take payments?
Did that cat just say hi to me?
your cat is in heat... hahaha
Do you still have the motor an transmission
that thing is healthy!
Hey brother Am about to buy a 91 5.9 12 valves the truck starts great but when I press the pedal the smoke is kind of blue do you think the the engine is about to fall and it’s posible to fix it they sell it to me for 10k the truck but thats my concern can u help me
Id fit this in my d150 on a ramcharger frame...would it fit i got a 5.9l from 1980 in it or do i need to beef the front im shakles n springs all around
The d 150 is a shorty
Still for sale?
Buenas tardes ,, hacen envíos a México?
Where can I find the one?
Very nice 👍
is this still for sale
I am going to look at a truck has no turbo can I run it just to test it make sure it's drives okay check trans shifts good then I'll order one if I get it? would it do any damage by running it with without on?
Anthony Miller it's gonna pump oil out of the hose for the turbo at like 30 - 80 psi
Okay thank you. I was thinking of putting a couplling on it to make it completely the loop but it sold thank u for ur time
Is that a turbo cat?
Nice
The two times a 5.9 sounds like a semi ..... when it’s only got a down pipe from the turbo (with no silencer ring)
And you GET ON IT while you shift.
And then when you shut it off.
..... each Cummins engine has its own distinct sound. They all sound like a Cummins. But each one is a little different
The 5.9 has its distinct sound. That occasionally can sound like a bigger engine like the 400.....
But holy shit I want to put a first gen 5.9 in my 91 k3500.
I hate the mileage I get.
And I hate dicking with the 350 that’s under the hood I love my Muncie 4 speed but I want overdrive.... I either want a 7 speed spicer
Or get a 2 speed box from advance and have twin sticks....
Maybe get the engine brake kit they have for the 5.9 but idk if it’ll work for the first gens..... I want to be purely mechanical.
Direct injection
Ve pump
Manual waste gate
Manual primer
Etc.
only wire I want on my engine is the one going to the starter.
I want mechanical gauges.....to
Mechanical oil gauge .... I know that’s not the smartest thing to have. But it’s easier to deal with. And it never lies to you like an electric one will
Mechanical tach
Mechanical speedo
Mechanical boost gauge.
I’m ok with electric temp gauge.
Mechanical ammeter
Glow plugs which I would hardly ever need in south Texas. But still better to have and not need than to need and not have.
I’d probably have to put in coil over shocks to help with the weight of the 900/1000lbs Cummins. Since my truck has what I consider the shittiest suspension system ever..... torsion bars ..... they work. And are east to mess with.
But they are rough riding
And don’t give you a lot of room to work with in the way of transmissions especially if your truck is 4wd..... which mine is........ I’d use a 3.9 4bt because it would fit easier than the 5.9 but I’d rather have the 6 if I’m gunna be in the b series. And the 6 is a lot cheaper somehow......
If the 5.7L in your K3500 is a problem,just find a N/A or T/C 6.5L,espiecally if you can get one from a Military truck like a M1025-M1046 HMMWV or M1113-M1167 ECV because they are low miles in service compared to civilian trucks put to use.You would be getting 18-20 MPG or more with one anyway,even though they have 200 HP/390 TQ while the 6BT has 160-235 HP/400-460 TQ and would manage 17-19 MPG.But if you are going to run a 5.9L,please use a p pump instead.The p pumps on the 12V 6BT were for 1994-1998,the 1984-1993 6BT's all had the VE44.The 8.3L 6CT for 1985-1998 all had p pumps too,you can use one from those as well,and adjusting the governor would be easy enough.
@@Slim_Slid except the 6.5 has a plethora of problems.
I’ve got a buddy at work who drives one
He’s already replaced the head studs and moved the PMD
but he’s always having issues with the pump drive or fuel leaks...... I’d rather have a 6.9 IDI I like the 6.5s but they take to much work to get them where they need to be..... they were designed to fail for the $$$$.
@@INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D You are thinking about the Duramax.Obviously the 6.5L is almost as old as the Cummins and the 6.2L is even older than the 12 Valve by two years apart.What do you expect? If you buy a 20-30 year old truck,problems are expected...And of course depending on who owned it,it could've been treated like dog shit and ran into the grave.The 6.2L & 6.5L were a huge success that General Motors had because of their fuel efficiency and how cheap they were compared to the 5.0L,5.7L,and 7.4L that were in trucks.They had a huge flaw with the 5.7L Oldsmobile,espiecally in cars.They had the highest rating in fuel economy compared to the Powerstroke and Cummins.Cummins had the perfect balance of power and fuel efficiency at the same time,and the Powerstroke had the most torque of them all,for a stock engine.If they are a failure,then why does the Military still use them? The Army and Marines now have the JLTV with the 6.6L LBZ that came out in 2015,but the HMMWV will not officially retire until 2042,such as the M1113-M1167 which have the T/C 6.5L,and were discontinued in production in 2005.The only problems that were major on the 6.2L & 6.5L were the harmonic balancers and fuel filters,that's it,all easy and cheap to fix.A Navistar will cost more than a Detroit on repairs down the road,the 6.9L-7.3L IDI is a great engine too,but it's not cheap compared to the 6.2L-6.5L.On the M1008-M1031 CUCV,they had a base which was a pain in the ass,that's why a NAPA fuel filter and water separator helped out in a big way,espiecally if you wanted clearence for the valves.If your buddy deals with leaks and head studs,it awfully sounds like his engine might be on the verge of a runaway engine...His harmonic balancer might as well is vibrating probably.
Spray paint 'Murica on the side of the engine
I just came
do you still have This. i will pay cash comes end of summer
12 volt or 24 volt ? if 12 volt , do you have the part nr for the starter ?
at first you state it's an 'industrial' engine, then you say it came from a 'road use' vehicle...which one is (was) it..?
windage a Cummins 12v 6BT is a medium duty series B motor that is found in off road / on road vehicles and equipment.
Dude engine's found from boats to school buses
@@thesunflowchannel1995 yeah, but industrial use generally means stationary applications like pumps or generators, or heavy equipment like dozers. any application where the engine speed is set high and generally stays there for hours or days on end.
*comment about cat*
How much is it to dollar
Is it a NV4500 trans ?
he said in the video. Eaton fuller 5 speed
I want it
clean it
is that a cat diesel?
+wastegate heavy duty cat ..... no fear ....
wastegate Wut
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Fram, noooo
Sound similar to tata engine truck
thought it was a kid there
This is a Cummins video, not a cat video!
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Meow
You'll love this one! ua-cam.com/video/mKVikEdbrrM/v-deo.html
Looks like a cat
I'd rather have a cat motor or a powertech, haha what a gimpy transmission.
The two times a 5.9 sounds like a semi ..... when it’s only got a down pipe from the turbo (with no silencer ring)
And you GET ON IT while you shift.
And then when you shut it off.
..... each Cummins engine has its own distinct sound. They all sound like a Cummins. But each one is a little different
The 5.9 has its distinct sound. That occasionally can sound like a bigger engine like the 400.....
But holy shit I want to put a first gen 5.9 in my 91 k3500.
I hate the mileage I get.
And I hate dicking with the 350 that’s under the hood I love my Muncie 4 speed but I want overdrive.... I either want a 7 speed spicer
Or get a 2 speed box from advance and have twin sticks....
Maybe get the engine brake kit they have for the 5.9 but idk if it’ll work for the first gens..... I want to be purely mechanical.
Direct injection
Ve pump
Manual waste gate
Manual primer
Etc.
only wire I want on my engine is the one going to the starter.
I want mechanical gauges.....to
Mechanical oil gauge .... I know that’s not the smartest thing to have. But it’s easier to deal with. And it never lies to you like an electric one will
Mechanical tach
Mechanical speedo
Mechanical boost gauge.
I’m ok with electric temp gauge.
Mechanical ammeter
Glow plugs which I would hardly ever need in south Texas. But still better to have and not need than to need and not have.
I’d probably have to put in coil over shocks to help with the weight of the 900/1000lbs Cummins. Since my truck has what I consider the shittiest suspension system ever..... torsion bars ..... they work. And are east to mess with.
But they are rough riding
And don’t give you a lot of room to work with in the way of transmissions especially if your truck is 4wd..... which mine is........ I’d use a 3.9 4bt because it would fit easier than the 5.9 but I’d rather have the 6 if I’m gunna be in the b series. And the 6 is a lot cheaper somehow......
I like the 6 more than the 4 cause the 6 has more power sounds better (to me) If you want a 4 speed you might have to make a adaptor to fit the 4 speed