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@@gunningdownadream1987 I think the difference is the 17hmr, 22mag, and even the 22LR all dumped their entire energy into the block. The 5.7x28mm didn't slow down as much and continued on through to finish dumping its energy in the dirt behind.
I was thinking what would be better gel-block vs clay block. After seeing this, gel would show one side of effects while clay seems to be much more fun. Impressive
One of the most handy calibers I've used is the 22 mag. I have made friends in the ranching community thinning out the varmints. Yotes, fox , and bobcats are easy prey. About the only animal in Texas that I have not killed with the 22 mag are Hogs. I could easily survive with a little scoped, bolt action 22 mag. Anytime I'm on a ranch road there is always a 22 mag in my truck.
I have shot domestic pigs at butcher time with my 22 magnum. They were just shy of 300 lbs. Dropped like a rock. I have a Savage 4M with 24" barrel I bought in the late 70's. Gave 40 bucks for it. It will never go away from me.
I love the round. A person can get really good performance from the round in a rifle. My single six is a perfect pistol for 22 mag and that gun with it's six inch barrel still gets some good power from that round and she pops a five inch fire ball out the end which is always fun.
Not the speed. A faster bullet of the same weight will displace the clay faster regardless of what cartridge it's fired from. It has more to do with bullet weight and construction.
The 5.7X28 was quite a bit faster than the .22 Mag so passed straight through and only surrendered a small portion of its energy , it dumped the rest into the ground behind and made a large dust cloud whilst also throwing up large amounts of dirt . The .22 Mag lost more velocity in the clay so lost more energy and thus made a bigger hole but still hit the ground behind and threw up less dirt the the 5.7 . The .17 HMR looked like it might have been a ballistic tip hollow point ? , but it dumped All its energy into the clay so made a whopping great hole in it and didn't have enough energy left to get to the back . .22 LR should never be underestimated , though it didn't expand each round made it all the way through and still made a nasty mess. Thanks for showing it's very interesting and good to watch , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well !
@@MrJdebest you spelled 165yrds flat wrong. I zero to 75yrds and I’m point blank 2.75” out that far. Good enough for anything bigger then a squirrel if you do your part. (Unless you have a head shot don’t shoot coyotes though, it will definitely kill, but placement is very important to be humane).
@@john-paulsilke893 The .22-250 kicks you off the sight picture. Meaning that you can't see if you hit that gopher at 300 yards. It is an awesome cartridge.
I have the same marlin 17hmr except with a synthetic stock. From what I have found The 17 was designed to energy dump and not over penatrate for varmints, sweet little round if you ask me.
The 17hmr is a fast bullet. 200 yards and closer it just fragments. You shoot a milk gallon jug full of water at 200 yards and less it just blows the front out. However if you shoot a milk jug full of water at 400 yards the round is than moving slow enough to go straight through the jug front and back. Left a nice bb hole through it front and back.
17hmr have 3 different bullets....1) 17 gr hp. 2) 20 gr gamepoint 3) 20 gr. Fmj.....choose the bullet according to your game and it will do the job with good placement.
Total agreement. The .17 HMR was no surprise. That little baby dumps everything it has on impact! The 5.7 was no surprise as it just hauled right on through. The .22 LR was a little surprising & pleasing as well. To me the .22 WMR was the biggest surprise! WoW! It pleased me. Again - GREAT test/video!👍
Fun video as always. This is why the .22 mag is my favorite rifle round. Favorite all around small and medium game round for year round hunting. My .30-06 gets the big game.
I purchased a 17 specifically for head shots on woodchucks at 75 yards (the distance from my back door to my barn) and it greatly outperformed the 22mag I was using. Dead on accuracy trumps clay destruction for me.
I got an ad the second you shot the clay and yelled wow. 1:43 It was an Aplebee's ad for $1 shrimp, and it started with James Brown singing "Wow! I feel good!"
My experience with actually shooting animals with the 17 is the solid ball ammo is perhaps more effective at dumping energy. My favourite round is the 17gr CCI solid. I also like the Hornady 17gr ballistic tip.
@Marino didn’t know it existed. Shot some nasty pests killing my cats and chickens but the coyote situation sent me back to my double gun in 12ga. No.4 shot is absolutely capable of dispatching any of my pest problems out past 30yrds. After that I have gone 22-250 and the trusty .300 win mag. Don’t get me wrong, stationary and known distance under 180yrds and I can kill a damn elephant, but the real world requires snap shots with waaaaay more power. Prairie dogs are one thing but bigger animals need the humane power of real rifle rounds. (Or more skill then I have at least.)
No, the 5.7 is not weaker than .22 mag. The reason why the 5.7 didn't do as much damage is because it didn't transfer nearly as much energy to the clay. 5.7 is designed to penetrate armor, while .22 mag is designed to dump energy quickly.
OK that truly surprised me as well! I absolutely did not expect the 17 and 22 mag to do that by far. I really wasn't surprised by the 5.7 but wow how cool Great, great video!
I'm frankly SHOCKED how much more damage the .22 magnum did over the 5.7x28. I'd have thought they'd be pretty similar, and .17 hmr results were as suspected. Even .22lr is still clearly no joke.
To be fair it didn't do "more" damage, the 5.7x28 just had so much more energy / velocity that it flew straight through. The .22WMR (which I love) was going slower, so the block ended up taking much more of the energy, hence a larger hole.
@@A407RAC Thing is, it doesn't really have more energy. Just more modern bullets and case/primer. But more damage is probably a result of more displacement from rounder bullet, not necessarily from energy difference.
I wouldn't put too much stock into this comparison. The 5.7 cartridge he used, had a tapered tip FMJ projectile. They're designed more for penetration than energy transfer. Not much opportunity for drama in a small clay block. I was actually impressed by how much energy it retained in such a short barrel, AND operating that particular gas return system. The .22mag had a blunt nose projectile, which lends a little more energy transfer. The ballistic tip .17 did, as you said, "expected". A projectile that small/light, with a ballistic tip, guaranteed the energy transfer. The 5.7x28 would've done much better with SS197 and a bit more distance to let it slow down. Assuming the .22HMR was a typical 40 grain projectile, velocities are similar (~2,000fps)... but the .22 projectile has a bit better design for putting holes in clay.
Looks like you could use a handful of the specialty 5.7x28mm rounds too. I'll get some your way this week sir! FYI, in some of my more recent testing, a 40gr JHP Speer Gold Dot from the 22 mag, took the 16" barrel to = the velocity of the Speer Gold Dot 5.7 when fired from the 5.7 Pistol :D
5.7 is absolutely devastating to anything it touches. The way it goes straight through everything is quit honestly terrifying. It’d be one of my last choices for a home defense situation because it’ll go straight though you.
Not true. The 5.7 can penatrate but it dumps its energy into that. Just like the .556 is good for home defense because lighter rounds tumble and don't penatrate multiple barriers as easily as heavier projectiles.
I’m sorry but it doesn’t compare to the mag, I promise you it spirals any varmint, it probably does have more “stopping power” I agree.. but the mag surprises you everytime ya shoot it..and I just found critical defense 45gr rounds. Let’s see how they do. Mag is my choice over anything trust me I know it sounds dumb but I’ve shot em all. The 6.5 is accurate too
That 17hmr really surprised me. So did the 5.7 , I thought that would have done the most damage. Thought the 17hmr would do about what the 5.7 did and vise versa. I stand corrected, on account of I can't stand erected.
I personally love the 22 WMR. It will actually punch through most bullet proof vests without plates. I like the smaller round too, but the rimfire makes mags a bit more complicated. I like the Kel-Tec CMR-30 and PMR-30 though.
Always smile when friends debate cartridges ... wanting muzzle power, stopping power minimal drop, terminal velocity, etc.... The best weapon is the one in hand and shot placement and accuracy is 99%... if need be send 3 more. That's how ranchers/farmers/cowboys took deer and antelope with 30-30's and how the buffalo hunters used black powder 45-70's. Great video! Would like to have seen some heavy subsonic rounds fired through carbine length tools.
Been following you and paul over the last several weeks doing the clay block test. I think these are way more interesting than the ballistic gel because that wound channel doesn't close back up. It just stays suspended where it is, unless the blast more than compromises the center, then it just collapses. I got one for you on this medium. My two favorite rifle rounds. Extreme velocity vs dump truck force. The 22-250 vs 450 bushmaster on clay.
the 5.7 has a lot more penetration, thus the FMJ round didn't come apart as fast as the Vmax ,17 or the hollow point 22 mag. If the clay was longer the 5.7 would have a bigger cavity deeper. I'd also suggest Apples to Apples either all FMJ or all Vmax type projectiles
WOO_TEE_WHO Found another one of yours 22 mag videos. I was totally surprised by all of the rounds, but I remembered squirrel hunting and using 22 shorts because the lr's would destroy most of your meat. We would use longs if the squirrels were way up in a Sweetgum(Witch Burr) or Pine. These are all rifle rounds, that 17 HMR was kikker, all of them worked well from the rifles. I APPRECIATE YOUR VIDEOS... 🐾🐾🐾
I’d be curious to see what kind of damage the different rounds do at different distances. I wanna know how far out you can go with that 22 mag and 17 hmr and still get those big cavities.
I love these videos, the only minor thing that tweaks my OCD is barrel length and shot placement matters. But it was seriously cool to see how the hmr dumped it's energy.
These things are deadly as hell. That timy .17 inch diameter bullet of the 17hmr looks as small a some conventional airsoft pallets but holds a pretty devastating energy when fired. Just wonderfull these tiny things can do.
Thank you for the videos. I'd sort of like to see this using .22 LR ammo in a short barrel (2-3 inch), a longer barrel (4-7 inch) and then a rifle barrel (16-20 inch) and whatever other barrel length you want. This could give us a good idea of the gain or loss in performance when we are deciding on our next purchase.
Old saying about big surprises in small packages. I would love to see you do something with a 17WSM ( Winchester Super Magnum. ) I have a Savage BMAG. It's crazy fun. This was a really fun video lol. Thanks for doing it.
I love my 17 HMR, its just perfect for small game hunting, and shoots way further than it should! I've taken shots out to 400 yards with it! What a spicy litle guy! I'd also love to see a comparison between 17 WSM (4.4 x 30mm) and 5.7 x 28mm, since they seem to have similar performance and energy! It's just a slightly smaller 4.6 x 30mm, for a fraction of the cost. Plus side-by-side seems to have equal performance to it as well!
I love how reactive and dynamic clay reacts to being shot. When I was a kid we used to build guys and heads out of clay and go to town with our 22 air rifles and sling shots. The trick is to put red clay inside the guy and heads. We also had fun results with shaving cream mixed with red food dye. Also this just shows you that a 22 mag is a really good home defense round....I love 22 mag . I still want to get a pistol gripped auto loader rifle one of these days.
I have all but the 5.7. I got the mini poly tips which squirrel hunting from the deer stand are awesome but you have to head shot to salvage any good supper. 22 LR has been more then a reliable throughout all my years coming up. I found a new love using the short Sub Sonics which are quite awesome. That 22 mag can take down a lot and with great distance as I’ve seen my father using it which i inherited after his passing but super bad on varmints still. Enjoying watching 👍🏻
The 17hmr cartridge did exactly what it was designed to do. Fragment on impact and not to penetrate. A more fair assessment of the 17 hmr would have been to use a 20 game point type of bullet rather than the Polly tipped type. Also I do believe that these comparisons should be done at realistic hunting ranges such as 100yds which would give a more realistic assessment of the capabilities of these calibres which is what we really need to know. My own finding from years of hunting is that I prefer 17 hmr over 22 mag over a variety of ranges.
i think the projectile coming from the 22 mag is designed for 22 mag velocities , i think the 5.7 on paper is a more powerful round but uses the centre fire projectile used in the 223 or 22-250 (a 40gr in a 22 250 is going over 4000fps) i think the lower velocities of the 5.7 with that projectile let it down. in saying that im very impressed with what the 22 mag did and im glad i own one!!
“WOW!” 👍 WTW, that was a really fun video! It would’ve been even more fun for me if I could have done that myself. 😂 Since I am in my 70s I have switched to the smaller caliber rifles and pistols; my favorite is the 22 mag. 💪
Just bought a 22lr with a magnum conversion revolver for my wife. I bet when she sees this video, she'll be a little more confident and less afraid to shoot it. Thanks for the comparison. I knew the 22LR was pretty BA.
That .22 LR pistol could almost make an effective home defense (HD) rig. Limited penetration, fast follow up shoots. If only rim fire cartridges were more reliable. So I guess that makes the 5.7x28 a better choice for HD but the 22 LR is cool. I run the same conversation is a 16” bushmaster .223 M4. Great conversation and good company. I had the chamber insert crack. I sent a pic to their customer service and received a FREE replacement insert in about 4 days. No further problems. Fun, cheap shooting
I have subscribed and would LOVE to see that exact block shot with the 17 wsm. Please. Im looking for the ultimate lightweight survival setup. Thank you
.22 mag for my RUGER 96/22 mag lever gun and RUGER Single Six. 5.7 x 28 for my PS90 and RUGER 57 pistol. But the 5.7 is the most powerful, natch, even when using 40 gr. Hornady V-Max bullets in both the .22 mag and 5.7 x 28.
Nice video. I'd like to see some clay control with 17 HMR with the 20g bullet versus the 17 WSM with 20 and 25g bullets. I shoot groundhogs out to 150 yards, so shooting clay at 100 would be a good comparison (perhaps the 5.7 x 28 too).
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Those smaller rounds, 17hmr and the 22mag devastated compared to the damage then the 5.7 did looks like explosive 💩💩 great video brother 🇺🇲💯
@@gunningdownadream1987 I think the difference is the 17hmr, 22mag, and even the 22LR all dumped their entire energy into the block. The 5.7x28mm didn't slow down as much and continued on through to finish dumping its energy in the dirt behind.
Yeah but that’s domestic clay, wild clay reacts differently when shot and typically runs faster in its natural habitat.
True, but it's a lot more gamey.
And a lot tougher when you eat it.
No clay was harmed in the production of this video.
Tho they did kill a few.🤨
I was thinking what would be better gel-block vs clay block. After seeing this, gel would show one side of effects while clay seems to be much more fun. Impressive
The .22Mag is a very underrated cartridge. I absolutely love it!
No butterflies were harmed during the making of this film!🤠👍 I love the rimfires.
Have you ever tried the cci 17 game points or the fmj?
I think i may have some
One of my favorite guns is the little S&W 15-22 that I bought for my grandson. With the current ammo shortage, I've been shooting a lot of 22lr.
Now that was a interesting video and I always say never underestimate the power of a 22LR.
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But the 22Lee is so small and cute!
One of the most handy calibers I've used is the 22 mag. I have made friends in the ranching community thinning out the varmints. Yotes, fox , and bobcats are easy prey. About the only animal in Texas that I have not killed with the 22 mag are Hogs. I could easily survive with a little scoped, bolt action 22 mag. Anytime I'm on a ranch road there is always a 22 mag in my truck.
I agree. only have a bolt. looking at getting a semi. Think they have a cz 512 in 22 mag. may be my next gun what ever model it is
Some alligator trappers use it to dispatch gators caught on a line.
I have shot domestic pigs at butcher time with my 22 magnum. They were just shy of 300 lbs. Dropped like a rock.
I have a Savage 4M with 24" barrel I bought in the late 70's. Gave 40 bucks for it. It will never go away from me.
I love the round. A person can get really good performance from the round in a rifle. My single six is a perfect pistol for 22 mag and that gun with it's six inch barrel still gets some good power from that round and she pops a five inch fire ball out the end which is always fun.
Use what you have. I have a 308.
I have not yet ran into something I couldn't kill with it. Use the right bullets for the job and it's all good .
Even that butterfly is impressed with the .22 mag.
The 5.7 wasn’t weaker it was just much faster so it blew right through without losing as much energy
Someone understands
@@josephatherley he think’s he does lol
Not the speed. A faster bullet of the same weight will displace the clay faster regardless of what cartridge it's fired from. It has more to do with bullet weight and construction.
@@wirebrush dead on
wirebrush but if it’s going so fast it doesn’t have time to expand, the wound cavity won’t be near as big as one that does expand.
The 5.7X28 was quite a bit faster than the .22 Mag so passed straight through and only surrendered a small portion of its energy , it dumped the rest into the ground behind and made a large dust cloud whilst also throwing up large amounts of dirt . The .22 Mag lost more velocity in the clay so lost more energy and thus made a bigger hole but still hit the ground behind and threw up less dirt the the 5.7 . The .17 HMR looked like it might have been a ballistic tip hollow point ? , but it dumped All its energy into the clay so made a whopping great hole in it and didn't have enough energy left to get to the back . .22 LR should never be underestimated , though it didn't expand each round made it all the way through and still made a nasty mess. Thanks for showing it's very interesting and good to watch , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well !
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the 22mag 40g hp and the 5.7 ball round out of the cmmg both go 1850fps. same speed. the difference was the hp vs ball round.
@@Oldsoldiersays Thanks , I hadn't realised the .22 mag was also hp . Stay Safe & Stay Well.
@@richarddixon7276 np, i shoot alot of 22mag, hard to find non-hp mag rounds hehe. explains alot though. keep safe =)
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Thanks for the 17 hmr being included. Not many poeple have done good video's on it. It's a wicked little round.
I love em all!!!
Yup, .17 HMR is wicked and easily good to 100+ yards.
@@MrJdebest you spelled 165yrds flat wrong. I zero to 75yrds and I’m point blank 2.75” out that far. Good enough for anything bigger then a squirrel if you do your part. (Unless you have a head shot don’t shoot coyotes though, it will definitely kill, but placement is very important to be humane).
For bigger I go with the .22-250 also ball ammo because speed not size or shape is what’s doing 99% of the work.
@@john-paulsilke893 The .22-250 kicks you off the sight picture. Meaning that you can't see if you hit that gopher at 300 yards. It is an awesome cartridge.
Most people dont realize how deadly the 17 and 22 mag are I've got all the big guns now I think I need a 17. Great video. Semper-fi brother
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Great for varmint, pita as far as cleaning gear goes imo.
17 hmr is used for Prairie Dogs and Gophers. The result is what you see in your clay demonstration. I absolutely love mine.
I'm a big fan of the 17 hmr as well.
I shoot hogs with 17hmr
I have the same marlin 17hmr except with a synthetic stock. From what I have found The 17 was designed to energy dump and not over penatrate for varmints, sweet little round if you ask me.
I've heard the same thing, when a 17 penetrates it basically blows apart and sends shrapnel rather than exiting.
The 17hmr is a fast bullet. 200 yards and closer it just fragments. You shoot a milk gallon jug full of water at 200 yards and less it just blows the front out. However if you shoot a milk jug full of water at 400 yards the round is than moving slow enough to go straight through the jug front and back. Left a nice bb hole through it front and back.
17hmr have 3 different bullets....1) 17 gr hp. 2) 20 gr gamepoint 3) 20 gr. Fmj.....choose the bullet according to your game and it will do the job with good placement.
Total agreement. The .17 HMR was no surprise. That little baby dumps everything it has on impact! The 5.7 was no surprise as it just hauled right on through. The .22 LR was a little surprising & pleasing as well. To me the .22 WMR was the biggest surprise! WoW! It pleased me. Again - GREAT test/video!👍
I've used all 4 of these calibers to shoot gophers. My favorite for cost/ effectiveness is the. 22 WMR , blows em up good lol.
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The 17hmr looks like an ashtray I made in Kindergarten, and my parent's never smoked.
That was cool,I would like to see the 5.7 in a comparable barrel.
Fun video as always. This is why the .22 mag is my favorite rifle round. Favorite all around small and medium game round for year round hunting. My .30-06 gets the big game.
I love em all!!!
I purchased a 17 specifically for head shots on woodchucks at 75 yards (the distance from my back door to my barn) and it greatly outperformed the 22mag I was using. Dead on accuracy trumps clay destruction for me.
I show these videos to my wife so she has more confidence in her 22 mag.
22 Mag is nothing to scoff at.
Out of a four inches barrel revolver it's another different animal but, hey, even a .22 lr could save her life.
I got an ad the second you shot the clay and yelled wow. 1:43
It was an Aplebee's ad for $1 shrimp, and it started with James Brown singing "Wow! I feel good!"
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Clay blocks never disappoint. Very dynamic medium.
17 hmr little bitty hole the rest a large hole. I think. No I was wrong. Ha!! That 17 hmr dumped a lot of energy.
Yeah what a great video! That's why I watch Who Tee Who!
Because it was a vmax bullet which explodes on impact and on the 22 mag and 5.7 he used fmj
My experience with actually shooting animals with the 17 is the solid ball ammo is perhaps more effective at dumping energy. My favourite round is the 17gr CCI solid. I also like the Hornady 17gr ballistic tip.
@@john-paulsilke893 17 hmr with hornady smmo will cut a squirrel’s head off knock them for a loop
@Marino didn’t know it existed. Shot some nasty pests killing my cats and chickens but the coyote situation sent me back to my double gun in 12ga. No.4 shot is absolutely capable of dispatching any of my pest problems out past 30yrds. After that I have gone 22-250 and the trusty .300 win mag. Don’t get me wrong, stationary and known distance under 180yrds and I can kill a damn elephant, but the real world requires snap shots with waaaaay more power. Prairie dogs are one thing but bigger animals need the humane power of real rifle rounds. (Or more skill then I have at least.)
No, the 5.7 is not weaker than .22 mag. The reason why the 5.7 didn't do as much damage is because it didn't transfer nearly as much energy to the clay. 5.7 is designed to penetrate armor, while .22 mag is designed to dump energy quickly.
Exactly!!
The 22 Mag made the clay look like it was a werewolf PacMan.
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OK that truly surprised me as well! I absolutely did not expect the 17 and 22 mag to do that by far. I really wasn't surprised by the 5.7 but wow how cool Great, great video!
Surprised me!
Wow! I really expected more from the 5.7! The 22 Mag seemed to do the most damage, but the .17 HMR
Wasn’t far behind. Never underestimate those itty bitty rounds! Glad you’re back!
Well look at the barrel lengths of the rifles used the 5.7 was shot from an ar pistol with a much shorter barrel not a good comparison
One MORE caliber that is comparable: 22TCM! I own it and, LOVE shooting it! Very little recoil, BIG fireballs, VERY loud! Overall, a LOT of fun!
22tcm 🔥💪🏼
But not easily available. Stock it deep when you find it.
Really fun to watch these, and informative! Small calibers are not to be ignored! Cheers!
Cheers!
22 mag was definitely my favorite
I'm frankly SHOCKED how much more damage the .22 magnum did over the 5.7x28. I'd have thought they'd be pretty similar, and .17 hmr results were as suspected. Even .22lr is still clearly no joke.
To be fair it didn't do "more" damage, the 5.7x28 just had so much more energy / velocity that it flew straight through. The .22WMR (which I love) was going slower, so the block ended up taking much more of the energy, hence a larger hole.
@@A407RAC Thing is, it doesn't really have more energy. Just more modern bullets and case/primer. But more damage is probably a result of more displacement from rounder bullet, not necessarily from energy difference.
I wouldn't put too much stock into this comparison. The 5.7 cartridge he used, had a tapered tip FMJ projectile. They're designed more for penetration than energy transfer. Not much opportunity for drama in a small clay block. I was actually impressed by how much energy it retained in such a short barrel, AND operating that particular gas return system. The .22mag had a blunt nose projectile, which lends a little more energy transfer. The ballistic tip .17 did, as you said, "expected". A projectile that small/light, with a ballistic tip, guaranteed the energy transfer. The 5.7x28 would've done much better with SS197 and a bit more distance to let it slow down. Assuming the .22HMR was a typical 40 grain projectile, velocities are similar (~2,000fps)... but the .22 projectile has a bit better design for putting holes in clay.
@@XtremeConditions It didn’t have more energy due to being shot out of a much shorter barrel and most commercial 5.7 loads being pedestrian.
Looks like you could use a handful of the specialty 5.7x28mm rounds too. I'll get some your way this week sir!
FYI, in some of my more recent testing, a 40gr JHP Speer Gold Dot from the 22 mag, took the 16" barrel to = the velocity of the Speer Gold Dot 5.7 when fired from the 5.7 Pistol :D
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. I'd be willing to bet that the ss198lf/ss195lf out of a ps90 bbl would destroy these clay blocks.
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Yes. Yes it does...
What a dope video the 22mag destroyed that clay block. That was awesome firepower 💯💥
I would like to see how the 17hmr and 22 mag group at 100yds
Me too
I have a savage minimalist chambered in 17hmr and at 100 yards I can shoot a dime sized group easily. It is extremely accurate!
my ruger mark2 will put 5 rounds touching at 100 yards
@@kjw882 keep the copper out of the bore a little bit will spoil accuracy. If you can see it it's to much.
@@timothyterrell1658 this ain’t my first rodeo with a firearm lol
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5.7 is absolutely devastating to anything it touches. The way it goes straight through everything is quit honestly terrifying. It’d be one of my last choices for a home defense situation because it’ll go straight though you.
Its a good round when you need a 2 for 1.
Check out the 22tcm it is what the 5.7 wants to be in its dreams of grandure.
It also shoots a 40 grain v max fragmentation style round at 1790fps from a ruger 57
Not true. The 5.7 can penatrate but it dumps its energy into that. Just like the .556 is good for home defense because lighter rounds tumble and don't penatrate multiple barriers as easily as heavier projectiles.
I’m sorry but it doesn’t compare to the mag, I promise you it spirals any varmint, it probably does have more “stopping power” I agree.. but the mag surprises you everytime ya shoot it..and I just found critical defense 45gr rounds. Let’s see how they do. Mag is my choice over anything trust me I know it sounds dumb but I’ve shot em all. The 6.5 is accurate too
We need more 22 mag and 17 hmr from you WhoTeeWho!
That 17hmr really surprised me. So did the 5.7 , I thought that would have done the most damage. Thought the 17hmr would do about what the 5.7 did and vise versa.
I stand corrected, on account of I can't stand erected.
It’s cause the 5.7 is flying soooo much faster. Doesn’t dump it’s energy into the target as fast
The 5.7 is doing what its built for watch gel test the 5.7 burns the 22 mag every way
I personally love the 22 WMR. It will actually punch through most bullet proof vests without plates. I like the smaller round too, but the rimfire makes mags a bit more complicated. I like the Kel-Tec CMR-30 and PMR-30 though.
I used to shoot (or blow up, depending on how you look at it) fresh cow patties with my 22magnum. Now that was fun!
You should try it with a 44 magnum. Results are crazy.
Always smile when friends debate cartridges ... wanting muzzle power, stopping power minimal drop, terminal velocity, etc.... The best weapon is the one in hand and shot placement and accuracy is 99%... if need be send 3 more. That's how ranchers/farmers/cowboys took deer and antelope with 30-30's and how the buffalo hunters used black powder 45-70's. Great video! Would like to have seen some heavy subsonic rounds fired through carbine length tools.
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I love my 22 mags. Try that again with a 22 mag hollow point
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Been following you and paul over the last several weeks doing the clay block test. I think these are way more interesting than the ballistic gel because that wound channel doesn't close back up. It just stays suspended where it is, unless the blast more than compromises the center, then it just collapses. I got one for you on this medium. My two favorite rifle rounds. Extreme velocity vs dump truck force. The 22-250 vs 450 bushmaster on clay.
Ooh 22250 would be awesome!!!
Love the .22 mag
Me too!!!
the 5.7 has a lot more penetration, thus the FMJ round didn't come apart as fast as the Vmax ,17 or the hollow point 22 mag. If the clay was longer the 5.7 would have a bigger cavity deeper. I'd also suggest Apples to Apples either all FMJ or all Vmax type projectiles
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The clay target is my favorite target you use. I was stunned by the .22Mags performance.
That's why I like the .22 Magnum. Cheaper than 5.7, gets nasty in soft tissue.
22 mag is sweet especially the kel tec pmr 30 a pistol with 30 rounds is pretty crazy
22mag is no slouch!!
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WOO_TEE_WHO Found another one of yours 22 mag videos. I was totally surprised by all of the rounds, but I remembered squirrel hunting and using 22 shorts because the lr's would destroy most of your meat. We would use longs if the squirrels were way up in a Sweetgum(Witch Burr) or Pine.
These are all rifle rounds, that 17 HMR was kikker, all of them worked well from the rifles.
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Man you should do a video on one of those Ruger 57's or five-sevens. Not sure which acronym fits.
Never tried one. Already tons of vids on it tho
@@WHOTEEWHO maybe do a similar vid to this, but with pistols?
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Great idea be cool see pistol
That was awesome the 22 mag did some damage wonder how much a hollow point would do.
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I love my17 and have had success up to 300 yds. I have never tried anything longer. Of course this was just plinking at targets.
I really like a .22 mag, but have been using it for 40 yrs for hog hunting, only take head shots with 40gr fmj's. My take on it tho. Thx for the vid.
Thanks for watching William!
Does anybody else think that the clay at 6:56 looks like Nancy Pelosi?
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them ballistic tips really work at transforming all their energy to the poi .
22 magnum was my coyote round for 26 years in the Sam Houston national forest of San Jacinto County. Dropped 'em on the spot.
That butterfly, man that was cool... Someone coming to "check that out" and see if that was a "really cool video"
We have tons of butterflies
@@WHOTEEWHO wonder what it would do if cooled it off in fridge... Freezer..? Love that conversion!
4:55 sounds like an Eagle screech 😍
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I’d be curious to see what kind of damage the different rounds do at different distances. I wanna know how far out you can go with that 22 mag and 17 hmr and still get those big cavities.
I’d love to see the same three freedom seeds shot from 50 yards. I more realistic distance for varmanting.
I love these videos, the only minor thing that tweaks my OCD is barrel length and shot placement matters. But it was seriously cool to see how the hmr dumped it's energy.
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These things are deadly as hell. That timy .17 inch diameter bullet of the 17hmr looks as small a some conventional airsoft pallets but holds a pretty devastating energy when fired. Just wonderfull these tiny things can do.
That 17 hmr totally impressed me WOW!
Thank you for the videos. I'd sort of like to see this using .22 LR ammo in a short barrel (2-3 inch), a longer barrel (4-7 inch) and then a rifle barrel (16-20 inch) and whatever other barrel length you want. This could give us a good idea of the gain or loss in performance when we are deciding on our next purchase.
Good idea. Appreciate you watching!!!
I was not expecting these results
Me either
The .22 mag look like it fragmented also, I’m not so sure it went through, the energy may of just blown out the back. Either way it’s a sweet round.
I love em all!
Most definitely, I plan on getting all 3 before too long.
When you used a 17 HMR with an expanding bullet, you should have used expanding/hollow points in the other two also.
That's shows how much energy transfer is important. When a bullet doesn't transfer the energy it goes right though with little damage.
Makes all the difference when choosing a self defense round.
Yeah but is the point made?
Who tee who that butterfly kept inspecting a block lol but dang them rounds sure done a number on block 🇬🇧🐾🦊
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Old saying about big surprises in small packages. I would love to see you do something with a 17WSM ( Winchester Super Magnum. ) I have a Savage BMAG. It's crazy fun. This was a really fun video lol. Thanks for doing it.
Very good demonstration of each round
Your pet butterfly had your back, what is he packing...lol. and that 22 magnum ain't no joke.
22mag has some boogie
Those are some nice firearms and cool test, that 17hmr was impressive👍👍
Thanks for watching Tanner!
I love my 17 HMR, its just perfect for small game hunting, and shoots way further than it should! I've taken shots out to 400 yards with it! What a spicy litle guy!
I'd also love to see a comparison between 17 WSM (4.4 x 30mm) and 5.7 x 28mm, since they seem to have similar performance and energy! It's just a slightly smaller 4.6 x 30mm, for a fraction of the cost. Plus side-by-side seems to have equal performance to it as well!
I was told the 5.7 was designed to defeat protective vests . Originally used in a pistol for above purpose . Just makes sense it would blow through .
I love how reactive and dynamic clay reacts to being shot. When I was a kid we used to build guys and heads out of clay and go to town with our 22 air rifles and sling shots. The trick is to put red clay inside the guy and heads. We also had fun results with shaving cream mixed with red food dye.
Also this just shows you that a 22 mag is a really good home defense round....I love 22 mag . I still want to get a pistol gripped auto loader rifle one of these days.
I was surprised at the 17 hmr. 22 MAG definitely is the winner. That 22 MAG made a big hole.
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I have all but the 5.7. I got the mini poly tips which squirrel hunting from the deer stand are awesome but you have to head shot to salvage any good supper. 22 LR has been more then a reliable throughout all my years coming up. I found a new love using the short Sub Sonics which are quite awesome. That 22 mag can take down a lot and with great distance as I’ve seen my father using it which i inherited after his passing but super bad on varmints still. Enjoying watching 👍🏻
The 17hmr cartridge did exactly what it was designed to do. Fragment on impact and not to penetrate. A more fair assessment of the 17 hmr would have been to use a 20 game point type of bullet rather than the Polly tipped type. Also I do believe that these comparisons should be done at realistic hunting ranges such as 100yds which would give a more realistic assessment of the capabilities of these calibres which is what we really need to know. My own finding from years of hunting is that I prefer 17 hmr over 22 mag over a variety of ranges.
Just when I know how it’s gonna work, it’s totally different, 22! Thanks Who-Tee- Who for a great video, as Always!!!
17 was only round with polymer tip. Could affect the results against full metal jackets
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i think the projectile coming from the 22 mag is designed for 22 mag velocities , i think the 5.7 on paper is a more powerful round but uses the centre fire projectile used in the 223 or 22-250 (a 40gr in a 22 250 is going over 4000fps) i think the lower velocities of the 5.7 with that projectile let it down. in saying that im very impressed with what the 22 mag did and im glad i own one!!
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WTW, that was a really fun video! It would’ve been even more fun for me if I could have done that myself. 😂
Since I am in my 70s I have switched to the smaller caliber rifles and pistols; my favorite is the 22 mag. 💪
Thanks for watching Wayne. I love them all!
That was a really fun video! Never under estimate those little rounds!
Absolutely. Still have some power
Would be cool if you could get a 5mm Remington and compare it to the 17 HMR and the 22 mag. Never see much in the 5mm Remington
Never tried a 5mm
the 5.7 you needed to shoot is the fnh5.7 x 28 blue tip. that round will do just what the 17hmr did, dump all its energy in the target clay.
Just bought a 22lr with a magnum conversion revolver for my wife. I bet when she sees this video, she'll be a little more confident and less afraid to shoot it. Thanks for the comparison. I knew the 22LR was pretty BA.
I think the 17HMR gave off the most energy as splinters went everywhere .
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What's the difference between 5.56 fmj & the green tip ?
That .22 LR pistol could almost make an effective home defense (HD) rig. Limited penetration, fast follow up shoots. If only rim fire cartridges were more reliable. So I guess that makes the 5.7x28 a better choice for HD but the 22 LR is cool. I run the same conversation is a 16” bushmaster .223 M4. Great conversation and good company. I had the chamber insert crack. I sent a pic to their customer service and received a FREE replacement insert in about 4 days. No further problems. Fun, cheap shooting
I want to see a 12 gauge slug in clay, hahaha! PS, nice video.
Awesome video✌️, I've all ways wanted a 22mag👍
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22 mag. Gets shit done!
Ive had my Marlin 25m 22mag for over 30yrs all is needed all day n every day for hunting . They can keep all them fancy new loads.. yep old school
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Would be cool to see you blast a huge block of clay with a 50. I'm curious as to how much clay it would take to catch the round?
Would take way more clay than I could afford
A cubic yard or so.
I have subscribed and would LOVE to see that exact block shot with the 17 wsm. Please. Im looking for the ultimate lightweight survival setup. Thank you
Thanks for watching
.22 mag for my RUGER 96/22 mag lever gun and RUGER Single Six. 5.7 x 28 for my PS90 and RUGER 57 pistol. But the 5.7 is the most powerful, natch, even when using 40 gr. Hornady V-Max bullets in both the .22 mag and 5.7 x 28.
Nice video. I'd like to see some clay control with 17 HMR with the 20g bullet versus the 17 WSM with 20 and 25g bullets. I shoot groundhogs out to 150 yards, so shooting clay at 100 would be a good comparison (perhaps the 5.7 x 28 too).
22 Mag vs 17 HMR vs 22 Hornet vs 17 Hornet into cantaloupes or honeydews. Great Stuff!!
Good idea
I’ve had the 17hmr,22mag not the 5.7 if I where to buy one today it would be a Henry long barrel 22mag.
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Love my Henry 22 magnum