Kratos 2:"what trickery Is this?" Kratos 1:This Is no trickery. I'm you from the future, and together we can kill zoos and overthrow Olympus!" Zoos: "well shit"
I don't think he was confused at all. This is a man that hates losing so bad he'll literally sell his soul. After Zeus's trickery and betrayal, seeing another Kratos pop up is just a "Yeah, fuck you Zeus. You thought you could betray me?? I'll always find a way to be one step ahead and get my revenge!" (as he spits up blood, taking his last breath before returning the hades for the umpteenth time)
I always thought that Kratos who got stabbed simply repeated the circle, escaping Hades, seeking the sisters of fate and so on, kinda like the 2 serpents in Ragnarok, an infinite loop.
@@abdallahalialbalushithere's a bit of a hole in your middle point of the timeline & that is your claim that Zeus would destroy Sparta after bringing Kratos down all the way to Hades, but that wouldn't be the case if it weren't for the alternated events that takes place in retrospective of between the 2 timelines (at the end point because everything from before should play out the same with minor adjustments) supposedly coexisting at the same time due to Zeus destroying Sparta after beating Kratos. Kratos 1 goes back in time to defeat Zeus in timeline 2 & they fight... Sparta is still not destroyed because Zeus hasn't done it yet then once GoW III starts, Kratos destroys Sparta through indirect means via offing Poseidon; this means that Kratos 1 was shown a coexisted time from timeline 1 where Gaia shows that Zeus is destroying Sparta just after Kratos 1 from timeline 1 was sent to Hades' Realm in GoW II & not in GoW III - Kratos 2 from his own coexisted timeline would encounter it alternatively within context to what's actually happening when Kratos 2 will go back in time to timeline 1 & Sparta is already destroyed when he encounters Zeus. here's also another fishy thing that I've thought off & that is the Sisters of Fates existence after Kratos 1 obliterated them out of existence in Kratos 1's original timeline 1; i feel as if since Kratos 1 basically spawned a vacuum of a paradox within reality of the Greek Realm itself by compromising the laws that the Sisters of Fate's upholded themselves, it'd mean that their existence except for the last one will not exist ever nor at all during both of the timelines to which Zeus 2 from timeline 2 even acknowledged on how impressed he was with Kratos from timeline 1 where the original Kratos obliterated those 2 sisters out of existence. this would mean that Kratos 2 through going through his own timeline would experience alternative events following along his journey to destroy Zeus.
Like the Oroboros a snake eating it's own tail. You can change the way the timeline progresses but the outcome remains the same. It will happen again and again and again because it supposed to because it has to happen.
I think that it could be a lot simpler than this. I think the other kratos simply didn't got resurrected after the time travel happened and just died. Remember that gaia was who resurrect him. And apparently she exist in a plane out of time. That would explain why when kratos travels back in time and meet the real gaia she knows him, even tho kratos hasn't even born in that era. So maybe she can somehow resurrect him just once and avoid a time loop.
I think that too. And in my opinion, this is not like Marvel's multiverse. The strings of Clotho that Kratos moves are his life, his timeline, he goes back... The sentence you see Zeus saying is not the same because that Kratos is already dead so we don't see that before perhaps because we see Kratos descending to Hades and resurrected by Gaia? That's what I think, but I may be missing something and I like the theory of this video anyway. It's interesting.👍
@@Mr.BrokenRecord That’s fine, the pre-rendered cutscene(the first one he says is timeline one) is from the beginning of the game and the second cutscene (he says is timeline two) is from closer to the end of the game
2:17 I doubt he went to timeline 2 to bring back the titans because in Timeline 1 when Atlas speaks to Kratos about how he got captured and Zeus using the blade to wipe all the titans you can see for a split second the titans getting sent back to the future with a green aura around them, forshadowing what Kratos would do later when he spoke to Gaia
Yes, that is right. But that could have been the other Kratos grabbing the titans from this timeline to his one, where our Kratos grabs the timeline from timeline 2.
Zeus dialogue is the same. The "no matter" is probably not remembered by Kratos b/c he was dying, then Zeus gets right in his ear to make sure he hear it. While yeah 2 timelines, but 1 stops existing once Kratos travels to fight Zeus. Then yeah, past Kratos gets revived by gaia and goes after the fates, while main Kratos is fighting Olympus. Even in game if you look back towards where Olympus would be, it looks like something bad is happening. But there can't be multiple timelines b/c of the fight with the fates in the past on the sword used to kill Aries. If Kratos fails, the sword is destroyed, past Kratos is killed by Aries, and main Kratos dies/ceases to exist. The slightly altered dialogue could also just be subtle shifts due to variations in a looping timeline. 1st Kratos hears/sees more, like zues killing the Spartans, then stops that from happening, 2nd Kratos sees himself, then when he gets to that same moment, maybe things happen slightly different due to what he experienced.
I personally think what happened with Kratos is like what happened to Saitma in the Manga when he time traveled. When Saitama went back in time. He merged with his past self to become one Saitama again.
My take is that everything is happening in one timeline one of my arguments is that when you look at the great war flashbacks cutscenes the moment zeus throws that blade of olympus blow to kill all titans it doesn’t kill them it shows them all being teleported by kratos so all of this is already written
He was resurrected and he goes after zeus and watches zeus already dead in timeline 2 and was waiting in the throne for bearded norse kratos from god of war valhalla to discuss
I don't think GoW was ever supposed to make sense beyond the basics. But Past Gaia was aware of Kratos looong before he was born. The Gaia that revived Kratos and helped him escape Hades with a motivational speech was probably also aware of the timey wimey shennagins Kratos would get up to (as that was a later Gaia). So she probably saw this spare Kratos and either said "lol gg scrub" and let him go...wherever gods go when they die, or stuffed him in a box to try again if the current Kratos failed.
I found a loophole if kratos called gaia from past of timeline 2 then there wouldnt be any gaia to resurect kratos, hence kratos went back to his original timeline and continued from gow 3, it depends on writer or theorymaker to put him in any timeline, But i think it would be better if og came back to his og timeline 😁
If they would have gotten different powers from each other , and teamed up with the choice to choose which one you want to fight with , with alternate paths would be crazy 🔥 Imagine two Kratos jumping Zeus 🤯
so timeline 1 is timeline 2 and timeline 2 is timeline 1...and timeline 3 is this timeline and this timeline is yesterday's timeline, therefore tomorrow's timeline never existed but it is at the same time. WOW
Why does it look like Kratos' tattoo and the ashes of his family are both fading away? I get if he's found genuine forgiveness for the ashes to fade but why anything aside from his skin being scarred or burned or changed in any way, shape or form along the tattoo itself would cause the tattoo to change at all?
Seeing that you have this passion for discussing timeline theories like this, I feel that you will love discussing FF7 remake and rebirth if you are keen on playing those games. It's quite insane with many people discussing the theories and hopes for part 3 of the series. I think you will fit in really well. Nice vid.
- Timeline changed, VA script changed due to inconsistency result in youtube video made - - The timeline is split, the paradox is made, you now viewed this message and your History contains the paradox -
2:12 I don’t think he travel to that second time line past. I think he did travel to the past on timeline one. But the fact that he saved himself created the alternate time line which would end up being timeline 2
Ive tried to explained this exact theory about jormungandr on a few kuba videos and always get shouted down. Some people are married to the idea that the giant soul atreus places into the snake is a different giant that coincidentally has the same name as jormungandr. But nothing in the story would indicate that there's 2 different giant's named that. Everyting points to the fact that theres a time loop revolving the serpent, even norse mythology agrees with this interpretation.
1:30 or that could be bc Cory Barlog was too lazy to adjust things and didn't care that much for the story of gow2 (said so himself) also there is no way of knowing which "timeline" Kratos went back to with the Titans. Kratos had the Blade of Olympus so he might have just went back to the og timeline! and sisters of fate are dead so technically that means they would be dead in all timelines as well. that's the power of the fate. you can change it without changing much else.
You say that in both timelines, the Titans were transported into the future from the "war of the Titans". This means that in both timelines there are no Titans in the present, respectively, and Gaia too. And no one was able to resurrect Kratos. You have created a paradox.
Well, you're right about the part that he's traveling between timelines/parallel universes, and not just in time. But how can you be sure that when traveling, he gets to a specific timeline? In fact, he's not. Every time "time travel" happens he's "creating" a new timeline, and that's where he goes. Because, look at your diagram. In Timeline 2 the Titans are vanishing from the battlefield, right? And they travel further with Kratos to the start of events of GoW III in Timeline 2, correct? But, you do realize that without the Titans in between the events of this timeline would go differently? Without them, Kratos 2 fate could've been way different, and he couldn't follow the same path Kratos 1 did. So, every time Kratos travels, he branches out the original timeline and goes to a different one. And he traveled like 4 times? So there's 5 timelines. I've made a scheme of it a while ago trying to figure it all out. That's the only way to not contradict anything.
Form sister of fate told us if we change the pass cus change the future as well. If Kratos can’t defend the sword he used to kill Ares he will lose the battle and die cus Kratos die as well in the main time line. What happened to second Kratos, he will save by tiata gaia and walk the same way as First Kratos. What happen to Zus. Lucky for him that don’t die by Kratos if he die in that time line cus him die in main time line as well but he was weak because he lose a lot of power by the blade of Olympus that Kratos almost kill him, he is weak in main time line ( he was experienced by the pass)
When the sister's of fate were in control, there was only one timeline, so if they changed the past then the present would change too, but Kratos' meddling broke the timelines in two.
That kratos still go to the underworld and he will go to the past. Yes the dialogue is different. He's still dead at the end to go back time BUT his world will get destroyed by our kratos. But I guess he will have enough time to go to the past before the world gets destroyed.
Adding further into this, Kratos's dialogue at the end of 2 and beginning of 3 sounds slightly different despite it being the same scene. Different time of day too in each scene.
i have a theory you said that kratos 2 went back to when kratos 1 (our kratos) died in in time line 1 but in the first cutscene we don't see any other kratos shows to fight zeus so what i think is that kratos from 2 simply died and never resurrected because if there is already one kratos going with gaya to kill zeus in time line 2 there is no need for kratos 2 to resurrected and time line one remains without a kratos and nothing really happens there. love the video man
@@abdallahalialbalushi really interesting thought, i think if he has doesn't have a reason to live he will die because he seemed like he was dying on gow 2 before gaya told him that he needs to fight but he did survive the ending of gow so I'm not really sure
@@playking615 Would the soul of second Kratos have escaped after our Kratos killed Hades? Why did no other god reference that there are two Kratoses then??
Has anyone ever asked the question why kratos didn’t just go back in time and save his family instead of going after zues after gaining the ability to control time?
It could be that Kratos just fazed out of existence. After Kratos's mettling it could be that there cant be more than one Kratos in any timeline, or its something more than that so that the original timeline was deleted but still had the effects of ehat transpired there.
Not ragging on anything. But just a small thing I THINK would help the videos going forward. Possibly some text on screen? Google auto cc is sometimes crap. It would be appreciated. :)
But there is an incongruity with what you say, and that is the sisters of destiny, if they die, die in all the lines that are going to be created, or create, since they are temporary beings, there can be no more versions of them in other lines, it would be a much greater conflict than the simple death of these same ones
As replaying GOW 2 recently i got in thoughts. What happened with sisters of fate when he time travels in timeline 2? By logic they have to be alive and probably be like "wtf". But Kratos kept saying that they dead. So i guess they exist beyond timelines and when they dead, they dead everywhere. And that means that Kratos from timeline 2 can't do time travel. Or, well, he theoretically can but it for some reason doesn't make sense for me. Somehow i doubt that it's possible to get in temple without sisters being alive.
Occam’s razor the simplest answer is generally the correct answer in this case the simplest answer is they used an alternative take and it’s an overlook or a plothole, and it’s the same kratos no timeline a or b but an open causal loop alike Jormy definitely is, he’s created by Atreus, fights Thor sent back in time and meets a young Atreus who he recognises, he then eventually sends Atreus to iron wood to create himself……one set of events creating a loop not 2 interconnecting timeline a single paradoxical loop
There is one flaw. What proves there is no second timeline is when Atlas is telling the story of the blade of olympus if you pay attention you see the same lightning shields the titans had when kratos was bringing them back to his time. Which means the event that kratos went back and took them still happened. Why would the flashback show that detail?
The other Kratos would have to go through the same events in order for the time lines to stay consistent, either that or will not be revived as Gaiha would not be there to revive him in the first place. Most of the Spartan army was probably killed during all the chaos of the gods being killed causing floods and whatnot so Zeus not having the ability to kill them off would pretty much be a moot point
What if the original kratos after he got to the second time line stays and the other kratos will continue doing the same action as the original he'd probably create a third time line and eventually all this kratos will create infinite time lines and infinite kratos 😮
I feel like the developers just didn’t wanna copy n paste the dialogue from the first to the 2nd. My 5th grade self always noticed the minor difference too.
Hear me out: there's actually no timelines, Kratos and Deimos had another brother, who was Kratos' identical twin, but born horribly disfigured (white skinned)
We don’t have certain that Kratos came back to the same exact moment in time, maybe he came back to the moment that he had already passed, but Zeus was still bragging at his dead body
remember kratos killed himself at the end of gow 3 it maybe that the krotos which we are seeingin gow 3 is from time line 2 because every thing was hapening at the same time so kratos 1 killed him self while kratos 2 survived it may be....
I think they only respected the rule that 2 clones can't exist in the same universe. That's why the 2 kratos only meet for a few seconds and jormungandr dies right after atreus creates him. Gaia dies in the original timeline and kratos goes back in time to call her (which is omniscent and knows who kratos is). It's always the same timeline, created by the sisters of fate and because they were able to move freely in time, kratos gained the same power by killing them. He didn't create alternative timelines, he only got the power to change his reality and move things back or forward in time in the exact same wire. So in the end, he can reverse the normal flow of the time even to when he wasn't born, cause time can't affect him just like the sisters of fate. If it was a different timeline, he could've just killed Zeus when he was a child without consequences, but he didn't cause it was the same wire and he would've died too
I have a good theory, Kratos from the timeline 1 went to timeline 2, right? But the timeline 1 still has all the gods alive including Zeus. Kratos from the timeline 2 was simply revived and went into the timeline 1 and killed the Gods there. That's why Zeus from the first timeline never appeared again. He's dead too. Or maybe he simply doesn't care, he destroyed Sparta, his greatest enemy disappeared, why just simply not rule the world.
i do like this explaination but there is one thing that would make this impossible. how would the two kratos not run into eachother while time traveling especially when kratos is the only one who has access to it.
Actually, the second Kratos gets revived to see that our kratos died at the end of god of war 3, and takes his dead corpse with him. Only to burry him, and assimilate his memories with his own. Thus starting the events of the god of war reboot.
@@hurricane7727Isn't that Kratos on throne just mind/Valhalla projection of og Kratos?? Same thing happened in GoW 2018 when higher existence Athena project when Kratos goes to save Atreus? And who blew the horn? Corry B. once hinted that it was probably someone who chases them at the time ( Baldur ) but i don't think that's the case.
This theory is good but it has a lot of plot holes 1) Let's say that when your Kratos(2) comes back from hades after Gaia(2)'s motivation lets say, what is Zeus(2) doing. Is he fighting with Kratos(1) at that time or the fight is over and Kratos(1) is preparing for the God if War 3 storyline 2) We learn from Atreus that when Kratos(1) was in his expedition to Sisters of Fate, Zeus destroyed Sparta and now if Kratos(1) is back for revenge in new timeline, Sparta is never destroyed and Atreus(2) would then never appear in front of Kratos(2) which would then delay the inevitable of that fishy tentacle monster bossfight 3) Devs claim Sisters of Fate are officially dead but since there are 2 timelines and Sisters of Fate(2) see Kratos(1) jump in their timeline, Sisters of Fate(2) would really start making precautions seeing Kratos(2) would be really dead this time and also try to stop Kratos(1) at all costs before more time paradoxes 4) If your theory is correct which then creates time paradox then this means that again Sisters of Fate(2) would start making contacts with Sisters of Fates of other timelines and warn them about Kratos and his tactics These are just my thoughts. Still great video and theory bro Keep it up!!
Plot twist..... the Kratos that was being stabbed by Zeus is the Kratos that ended up in Norse mythology. So.... at the end of Valhalla it would be cool if be really neat if there were actually two Kratoses. I know that would probably make Jaffe happy, as he doesn't like the "softer" version of Kratos we see in Norse mythology.
I do understand why and what kratos timeline was different or multiverse theory, what if kratos 1 meets kratos 2 or break the timelines by kratos 2 fate whichever make us confused by kratos the same timeline but different dialog. Hey don't forgot the sister of fate, underworld or Gaia
Dude, if you ask the developers, am pretty sure they will answer; "Nah man, we just remade the scene until we're sure and, 'yep, that should cover it'" Both cutscenes are different, the first is in HD, and the one when Kratos met his other self is in-game cutscene... ... and making the HD cutscene is hard. But of course, it's an interesting topic because I am asking the same question too and finally someone is making a thing about it-
ok the segment of the second kratos coming back is not happening and here's why in TM1 gaia was imprisoned along with the other titans she bring back kratos he goes to TM2 bring gaia from the past to the future and because there's no imprisoned gaia in TM2 to bring back the other kratos he won't come back
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but that doesn't explain how TM2 kratos came back without gaia remmber kratos took her to the future
I can only imagine the confusion of kratos seeing another kratos appear out of nowhere to fight Zeus
Kratos 2:"what trickery Is this?"
Kratos 1:This Is no trickery. I'm you from the future, and together we can kill zoos and overthrow Olympus!"
Zoos: "well shit"
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Also the confusion of the Spartan and Rhodes soldiers.
“WTF, there are two of them, now?!”
I don't think he was confused at all. This is a man that hates losing so bad he'll literally sell his soul. After Zeus's trickery and betrayal, seeing another Kratos pop up is just a "Yeah, fuck you Zeus. You thought you could betray me?? I'll always find a way to be one step ahead and get my revenge!" (as he spits up blood, taking his last breath before returning the hades for the umpteenth time)
Kratos: I future did it!
I always thought that Kratos who got stabbed simply repeated the circle, escaping Hades, seeking the sisters of fate and so on, kinda like the 2 serpents in Ragnarok, an infinite loop.
That's what I'm saying, but with extra steps
@@abdallahalialbalushi sorry, my potato brain is not really that clever.😂
Yeah but kratos in control with fate
@@abdallahalialbalushithere's a bit of a hole in your middle point of the timeline & that is your claim that Zeus would destroy Sparta after bringing Kratos down all the way to Hades, but that wouldn't be the case if it weren't for the alternated events that takes place in retrospective of between the 2 timelines (at the end point because everything from before should play out the same with minor adjustments) supposedly coexisting at the same time due to Zeus destroying Sparta after beating Kratos.
Kratos 1 goes back in time to defeat Zeus in timeline 2 & they fight... Sparta is still not destroyed because Zeus hasn't done it yet then once GoW III starts, Kratos destroys Sparta through indirect means via offing Poseidon; this means that Kratos 1 was shown a coexisted time from timeline 1 where Gaia shows that Zeus is destroying Sparta just after Kratos 1 from timeline 1 was sent to Hades' Realm in GoW II & not in GoW III - Kratos 2 from his own coexisted timeline would encounter it alternatively within context to what's actually happening when Kratos 2 will go back in time to timeline 1 & Sparta is already destroyed when he encounters Zeus.
here's also another fishy thing that I've thought off & that is the Sisters of Fates existence after Kratos 1 obliterated them out of existence in Kratos 1's original timeline 1; i feel as if since Kratos 1 basically spawned a vacuum of a paradox within reality of the Greek Realm itself by compromising the laws that the Sisters of Fate's upholded themselves, it'd mean that their existence except for the last one will not exist ever nor at all during both of the timelines to which Zeus 2 from timeline 2 even acknowledged on how impressed he was with Kratos from timeline 1 where the original Kratos obliterated those 2 sisters out of existence.
this would mean that Kratos 2 through going through his own timeline would experience alternative events following along his journey to destroy Zeus.
@@abdallahalialbalushiwhere my dad died ...
"Zeus your sons have returned and we bring the destruction of Olympus"
would have been cool
GOW3 2 player mode 😱😱😱
Would’ve been a banger dude. And if they did it would’ve probably influenced the last couple games a lot more.🫨
Double Destruction Kratos Of Spartan👍 i would agreed this idea👍
The other Kratos wouldnt be ressurected because gaia wouldnt need him if our kratos is there
What I was just about to say
I think hes the Kratos in the Gow 5 Valhalle dlc
But Kratos cannot just die!!
So basically prince of Persia warrior within?
@hurricane7727 I like this theory but don't agree with it. What makes you think this?
Or, the writers just effed up.
This seems like the most logical and most realistic response. People just make things up when they can.
Definitely the right answer
UA-cam theorists love to latch on the stupidest shit
I mean the cutscene is right fucking there. Kinda hard to mess something up you're working on. It makes sense to have alternate timelines.
this
And Jormagander still lives in timeline 2 with kratos
I think every kratos will go in a different paths but lead to the same results
Like the Oroboros a snake eating it's own tail. You can change the way the timeline progresses but the outcome remains the same. It will happen again and again and again because it supposed to because it has to happen.
I’ve waited years for this theory
Ahahahahahah, and do u like it?
@ yes it’s amazing, long wait and you didn’t disappoint
Or you could’ve look it up dummy
@@Judco25There is another small UA-camr name mournvil that did it the theory is the same and pretty lit
@ thanks for letting me know I’ll check it out
I think that it could be a lot simpler than this. I think the other kratos simply didn't got resurrected after the time travel happened and just died. Remember that gaia was who resurrect him. And apparently she exist in a plane out of time. That would explain why when kratos travels back in time and meet the real gaia she knows him, even tho kratos hasn't even born in that era. So maybe she can somehow resurrect him just once and avoid a time loop.
I never saw it as time travel but more like changing the events from the thread of life.
I think that too. And in my opinion, this is not like Marvel's multiverse. The strings of Clotho that Kratos moves are his life, his timeline, he goes back... The sentence you see Zeus saying is not the same because that Kratos is already dead so we don't see that before perhaps because we see Kratos descending to Hades and resurrected by Gaia? That's what I think, but I may be missing something and I like the theory of this video anyway. It's interesting.👍
He's doing the lines!
Okay, to be fair, Zues' dialog may be different between games because some ideas changed in the process.
Gotta do the lines, man!!
Between games? Zeus’ dialogue scenes are from the same game which was God of War 2
@coreychandler8784, oh I hadn't realized.
@@Mr.BrokenRecord That’s fine, the pre-rendered cutscene(the first one he says is timeline one) is from the beginning of the game and the second cutscene (he says is timeline two) is from closer to the end of the game
2:17 I doubt he went to timeline 2 to bring back the titans because in Timeline 1 when Atlas speaks to Kratos about how he got captured and Zeus using the blade to wipe all the titans you can see for a split second the titans getting sent back to the future with a green aura around them, forshadowing what Kratos would do later when he spoke to Gaia
Yes, that is right. But that could have been the other Kratos grabbing the titans from this timeline to his one, where our Kratos grabs the timeline from timeline 2.
@ Both Kratoses trading timelines could be very possible yes 👍
Timelines can be very confusing and yet very interesting at times, but mostly confusing.
Will make your brain blow out like hydrogen bomb
The worse timeline to follow is goku black arc db super🥶
Zeus dialogue is the same. The "no matter" is probably not remembered by Kratos b/c he was dying, then Zeus gets right in his ear to make sure he hear it. While yeah 2 timelines, but 1 stops existing once Kratos travels to fight Zeus. Then yeah, past Kratos gets revived by gaia and goes after the fates, while main Kratos is fighting Olympus. Even in game if you look back towards where Olympus would be, it looks like something bad is happening. But there can't be multiple timelines b/c of the fight with the fates in the past on the sword used to kill Aries. If Kratos fails, the sword is destroyed, past Kratos is killed by Aries, and main Kratos dies/ceases to exist. The slightly altered dialogue could also just be subtle shifts due to variations in a looping timeline. 1st Kratos hears/sees more, like zues killing the Spartans, then stops that from happening, 2nd Kratos sees himself, then when he gets to that same moment, maybe things happen slightly different due to what he experienced.
Like prince of Persia warrior within
Just like prince of Persia warrior within
Actually yeah. Just like that.
I personally think what happened with Kratos is like what happened to Saitma in the Manga when he time traveled.
When Saitama went back in time. He merged with his past self to become one Saitama again.
Like Sir Dan in Medievil 2.
I was thinking something like this, too.
Is Kratos looking at the balls of Olympus in the thumbnail?
Lmaooo
Lmao i hadda peep the thumbnail
My take is that everything is happening in one timeline one of my arguments is that when you look at the great war flashbacks cutscenes the moment zeus throws that blade of olympus blow to kill all titans it doesn’t kill them it shows them all being teleported by kratos so all of this is already written
Clearly, this makes Kratos the mystery horn blower
I have always wondered what it would be like to play a God of War game that focused on the original timeline after Kratos left
I don't think it would be much different from the current one.
He was resurrected and he goes after zeus and watches zeus already dead in timeline 2 and was waiting in the throne for bearded norse kratos from god of war valhalla to discuss
That's a dope theory
Was waiting for someone to finally make this. Had the idea to make it myself years ago but you saved me.
Zoos: who the frick are you?
kratos: I'm future FUTURE kratos
I don't think GoW was ever supposed to make sense beyond the basics. But
Past Gaia was aware of Kratos looong before he was born. The Gaia that revived Kratos and helped him escape Hades with a motivational speech was probably also aware of the timey wimey shennagins Kratos would get up to (as that was a later Gaia). So she probably saw this spare Kratos and either said "lol gg scrub" and let him go...wherever gods go when they die, or stuffed him in a box to try again if the current Kratos failed.
Like Grandfather 🪓
Like Grandson 🐍
They are not related.
Ragnarok debunked that
@newhybrid101 (grunts) I know, boy.
I found a loophole if kratos called gaia from past of timeline 2 then there wouldnt be any gaia to resurect kratos, hence kratos went back to his original timeline and continued from gow 3, it depends on writer or theorymaker to put him in any timeline, But i think it would be better if og came back to his og timeline
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God Of War multiverse there are two Kratos. Terrence TC, Carson Kratos and Christopher Judge Kratos?
Yes the question of my childhood that stuck in my head for many years .
If they would have gotten different powers from each other , and teamed up with the choice to choose which one you want to fight with , with alternate paths would be crazy 🔥 Imagine two Kratos jumping Zeus 🤯
so timeline 1 is timeline 2 and timeline 2 is timeline 1...and timeline 3 is this timeline and this timeline is yesterday's timeline, therefore tomorrow's timeline never existed but it is at the same time. WOW
ahahahahaha
I literally died trying to read that.
Why does it look like Kratos' tattoo and the ashes of his family are both fading away?
I get if he's found genuine forgiveness for the ashes to fade but why anything aside from his skin being scarred or burned or changed in any way, shape or form along the tattoo itself would cause the tattoo to change at all?
New video on that coming out soon
Because the curse has been weeken especially after Greece was destroyed
it's like dragon ball/mcu...when you return back in time you just enter another different timeline
I had always wondered about this. I noticed the dialogue change when I first played the game years ago.
or we have timeline two Kratos as a secret boss!! 🤯
Seeing that you have this passion for discussing timeline theories like this, I feel that you will love discussing FF7 remake and rebirth if you are keen on playing those games. It's quite insane with many people discussing the theories and hopes for part 3 of the series. I think you will fit in really well. Nice vid.
Thanks for the support. Might look into it
- Timeline changed, VA script changed due to inconsistency result in youtube video made -
- The timeline is split, the paradox is made, you now viewed this message and your History contains the paradox -
Jeez, we on a time loop lmfao
But this is unlikely. That kratos is probably dead because gaia no longer needed him with kratos going back in time.
so Atreus is going to kill Kratos 2 which in not his dad
2:12 I don’t think he travel to that second time line past. I think he did travel to the past on timeline one. But the fact that he saved himself created the alternate time line which would end up being timeline 2
Ive tried to explained this exact theory about jormungandr on a few kuba videos and always get shouted down. Some people are married to the idea that the giant soul atreus places into the snake is a different giant that coincidentally has the same name as jormungandr. But nothing in the story would indicate that there's 2 different giant's named that. Everyting points to the fact that theres a time loop revolving the serpent, even norse mythology agrees with this interpretation.
1:30 or that could be bc Cory Barlog was too lazy to adjust things and didn't care that much for the story of gow2 (said so himself) also there is no way of knowing which "timeline" Kratos went back to with the Titans. Kratos had the Blade of Olympus so he might have just went back to the og timeline! and sisters of fate are dead so technically that means they would be dead in all timelines as well. that's the power of the fate. you can change it without changing much else.
You say that in both timelines, the Titans were transported into the future from the "war of the Titans". This means that in both timelines there are no Titans in the present, respectively, and Gaia too. And no one was able to resurrect Kratos. You have created a paradox.
Well, you're right about the part that he's traveling between timelines/parallel universes, and not just in time. But how can you be sure that when traveling, he gets to a specific timeline? In fact, he's not. Every time "time travel" happens he's "creating" a new timeline, and that's where he goes.
Because, look at your diagram. In Timeline 2 the Titans are vanishing from the battlefield, right? And they travel further with Kratos to the start of events of GoW III in Timeline 2, correct? But, you do realize that without the Titans in between the events of this timeline would go differently? Without them, Kratos 2 fate could've been way different, and he couldn't follow the same path Kratos 1 did.
So, every time Kratos travels, he branches out the original timeline and goes to a different one. And he traveled like 4 times? So there's 5 timelines. I've made a scheme of it a while ago trying to figure it all out. That's the only way to not contradict anything.
However, wouldn’t this be a paradox if Kratos 2 go back to timeline 1 to get Zeus at the same moment he is about to die?
This scene just like PoP WW when the Sand Wraith try to prevent the Prince passing to the Dahaka in the 2nd chance timeline
This is the best theory so far. You make it, make sense.👌👌👌👌
Form sister of fate told us if we change the pass cus change the future as well. If Kratos can’t defend the sword he used to kill Ares he will lose the battle and die cus Kratos die as well in the main time line. What happened to second Kratos, he will save by tiata gaia and walk the same way as First Kratos. What happen to Zus. Lucky for him that don’t die by Kratos if he die in that time line cus him die in main time line as well but he was weak because he lose a lot of power by the blade of Olympus that Kratos almost kill him, he is weak in main time line ( he was experienced by the pass)
When the sister's of fate were in control, there was only one timeline, so if they changed the past then the present would change too, but Kratos' meddling broke the timelines in two.
That kratos still go to the underworld and he will go to the past. Yes the dialogue is different. He's still dead at the end to go back time BUT his world will get destroyed by our kratos. But I guess he will have enough time to go to the past before the world gets destroyed.
He said "by the elder gods" didn't *feel so good* and vanishes
End.
Adding further into this, Kratos's dialogue at the end of 2 and beginning of 3 sounds slightly different despite it being the same scene. Different time of day too in each scene.
Imagine kratos fighting himself in the next god of war
if kratos leave timeline 1 to go timeline 2
what happen to timeline 1 without original kratos ?
that was a big question for me in these years.
imagine the next god of war starts with the second kratos right after Gow2
i have a theory
you said that kratos 2 went back to when kratos 1 (our kratos) died in in time line 1 but in the first cutscene we don't see any other kratos shows to fight zeus so what i think is that kratos from 2 simply died and never resurrected because if there is already one kratos going with gaya to kill zeus in time line 2 there is no need for kratos 2 to resurrected and time line one remains without a kratos and nothing really happens there.
love the video man
What if The Kratos sitting on the throne in Gow 5 Valhalla Throne is the Kratos That our Kratos pulled the Sword out of?
🤯
But the real question is, can Kratos stay dead? Can any version of Kratos really be killed??
@@abdallahalialbalushi really interesting thought, i think if he has doesn't have a reason to live he will die because he seemed like he was dying on gow 2 before gaya told him that he needs to fight but he did survive the ending of gow so I'm not really sure
@@playking615 Would the soul of second Kratos have escaped after our Kratos killed Hades? Why did no other god reference that there are two Kratoses then??
Maybe kratos in timeline 1 is dead?
And Kratos in timeline 2 live?
I forgot all about this lol well done.
Has anyone ever asked the question why kratos didn’t just go back in time and save his family instead of going after zues after gaining the ability to control time?
Good question 🤔
blinding rage does things to your mind
Save his family still doesnt make zeus die
@aryandigimang Still he can save them.
Its explained a little in ascension, Kratos mistake was selling his soul to win
Ragnarok showed Jorm isn't really Kratos grandson lol.
He isn't Atreus kid in the normal sense like in the myth
Neither is Fenrir
That leaves Hel ig
It could be that Kratos just fazed out of existence. After Kratos's mettling it could be that there cant be more than one Kratos in any timeline, or its something more than that so that the original timeline was deleted but still had the effects of ehat transpired there.
Nah it’s the same dialogue the 1st just cut out the 2nd Zeus dialogue.
The other Kratos went back in time and did the same thing we did in GOW 2
It's a loop
Also Zeus destroyed Sparta as revenge for Athena's death
Not ragging on anything. But just a small thing I THINK would help the videos going forward.
Possibly some text on screen?
Google auto cc is sometimes crap.
It would be appreciated. :)
I published the fixed subtitles today. If you click on YT cc, it should be accurate now
I've seen it like the time travle in legacy of kain. ?
God of war 3 bosses remind me of legacy kain soul reaver bosses and revenge story
But there is an incongruity with what you say, and that is the sisters of destiny, if they die, die in all the lines that are going to be created, or create, since they are temporary beings, there can be no more versions of them in other lines, it would be a much greater conflict than the simple death of these same ones
With all these time jumping this just make me belive more that kratos still stronger then doom guy
As replaying GOW 2 recently i got in thoughts. What happened with sisters of fate when he time travels in timeline 2? By logic they have to be alive and probably be like "wtf".
But Kratos kept saying that they dead. So i guess they exist beyond timelines and when they dead, they dead everywhere. And that means that Kratos from timeline 2 can't do time travel.
Or, well, he theoretically can but it for some reason doesn't make sense for me. Somehow i doubt that it's possible to get in temple without sisters being alive.
Occam’s razor the simplest answer is generally the correct answer in this case the simplest answer is they used an alternative take and it’s an overlook or a plothole, and it’s the same kratos no timeline a or b but an open causal loop alike Jormy definitely is, he’s created by Atreus, fights Thor sent back in time and meets a young Atreus who he recognises, he then eventually sends Atreus to iron wood to create himself……one set of events creating a loop not 2 interconnecting timeline a single paradoxical loop
It's possible bro 😁 by the way your explanation was amazing
Appreciate you!
🎉🎉🎉 back to doing therory hope you be making more streaming ❤
Today in 3.5 hours.
There is one flaw. What proves there is no second timeline is when Atlas is telling the story of the blade of olympus if you pay attention you see the same lightning shields the titans had when kratos was bringing them back to his time. Which means the event that kratos went back and took them still happened. Why would the flashback show that detail?
The other Kratos did the same!
The other Kratos would have to go through the same events in order for the time lines to stay consistent, either that or will not be revived as Gaiha would not be there to revive him in the first place. Most of the Spartan army was probably killed during all the chaos of the gods being killed causing floods and whatnot so Zeus not having the ability to kill them off would pretty much be a moot point
What if the original kratos after he got to the second time line stays and the other kratos will continue doing the same action as the original he'd probably create a third time line and eventually all this kratos will create infinite time lines and infinite kratos 😮
An infinite timeline would be interesting!
kratos creates own multiverse just like mortal kombat 11 were a battle between Liu Kang and kronika creates many timelines
I feel like the developers just didn’t wanna copy n paste the dialogue from the first to the 2nd. My 5th grade self always noticed the minor difference too.
Hear me out: there's actually no timelines, Kratos and Deimos had another brother, who was Kratos' identical twin, but born horribly disfigured (white skinned)
We don’t have certain that Kratos came back to the same exact moment in time, maybe he came back to the moment that he had already passed, but Zeus was still bragging at his dead body
remember kratos killed himself at the end of gow 3 it maybe that the krotos which we are seeingin gow 3 is from time line 2 because every thing was hapening at the same time so kratos 1 killed him self while kratos 2 survived it may be....
imagine the other kratos is the one sitting on the throne in the valhalla dlc
More theories pls
I take this video as canon, it makes so sense
I think they only respected the rule that 2 clones can't exist in the same universe. That's why the 2 kratos only meet for a few seconds and jormungandr dies right after atreus creates him. Gaia dies in the original timeline and kratos goes back in time to call her (which is omniscent and knows who kratos is). It's always the same timeline, created by the sisters of fate and because they were able to move freely in time, kratos gained the same power by killing them. He didn't create alternative timelines, he only got the power to change his reality and move things back or forward in time in the exact same wire. So in the end, he can reverse the normal flow of the time even to when he wasn't born, cause time can't affect him just like the sisters of fate. If it was a different timeline, he could've just killed Zeus when he was a child without consequences, but he didn't cause it was the same wire and he would've died too
The first Kratos died before the second Kratos appears, so he haven't seen his own self
Wouldnt he fall into hell like before so that slight time loop occurs.? Kinda like Injustice 2 Flash super move.
I actually wondered this a lot some time after I looked back on the Zeus fight in GOW 2, thought I was the only one 😭
I have a good theory, Kratos from the timeline 1 went to timeline 2, right? But the timeline 1 still has all the gods alive including Zeus. Kratos from the timeline 2 was simply revived and went into the timeline 1 and killed the Gods there. That's why Zeus from the first timeline never appeared again. He's dead too. Or maybe he simply doesn't care, he destroyed Sparta, his greatest enemy disappeared, why just simply not rule the world.
i do like this explaination but there is one thing that would make this impossible. how would the two kratos not run into eachother while time traveling especially when kratos is the only one who has access to it.
So, pretty much 2 Kratos variants switched universe 🤔
Exactly!
Remember, there's a timeline where Zeus didn't get the chance to destroy the Spartan army and city
Finally!!!! Someone fkin explained this😭😭😂🔥 tnx to you my man
Now I can sleep❤
Ofc, man. It’s why I’m here!!
Actually, the second Kratos gets revived to see that our kratos died at the end of god of war 3, and takes his dead corpse with him. Only to burry him, and assimilate his memories with his own. Thus starting the events of the god of war reboot.
I always wondered what happened to this kratos😂
I think hes the Kratod on the Throne in Gow 5 Valhall a Dlc
@@hurricane7727Isn't that Kratos on throne just mind/Valhalla projection of og Kratos?? Same thing happened in GoW 2018 when higher existence Athena project when Kratos goes to save Atreus? And who blew the horn? Corry B. once hinted that it was probably someone who chases them at the time ( Baldur ) but i don't think that's the case.
This theory is good but it has a lot of plot holes
1) Let's say that when your Kratos(2) comes back from hades after Gaia(2)'s motivation lets say, what is Zeus(2) doing. Is he fighting with Kratos(1) at that time or the fight is over and Kratos(1) is preparing for the God if War 3 storyline
2) We learn from Atreus that when Kratos(1) was in his expedition to Sisters of Fate, Zeus destroyed Sparta and now if Kratos(1) is back for revenge in new timeline, Sparta is never destroyed and Atreus(2) would then never appear in front of Kratos(2) which would then delay the inevitable of that fishy tentacle monster bossfight
3) Devs claim Sisters of Fate are officially dead but since there are 2 timelines and Sisters of Fate(2) see Kratos(1) jump in their timeline, Sisters of Fate(2) would really start making precautions seeing Kratos(2) would be really dead this time and also try to stop Kratos(1) at all costs before more time paradoxes
4) If your theory is correct which then creates time paradox then this means that again Sisters of Fate(2) would start making contacts with Sisters of Fates of other timelines and warn them about Kratos and his tactics
These are just my thoughts. Still great video and theory bro
Keep it up!!
see the only question i have is how did he survive stabbing himself in GOW 3 i tried to reasearch it but couldn't get a straight answer
Wouldn’t kratos 2 create a third timeline then since he did everything the first kratos did?
The second kratos might as well be a plot in the sixth game.
Plot twist..... the Kratos that was being stabbed by Zeus is the Kratos that ended up in Norse mythology. So.... at the end of Valhalla it would be cool if be really neat if there were actually two Kratoses. I know that would probably make Jaffe happy, as he doesn't like the "softer" version of Kratos we see in Norse mythology.
I do understand why and what kratos timeline was different or multiverse theory, what if kratos 1 meets kratos 2 or break the timelines by kratos 2 fate whichever make us confused by kratos the same timeline but different dialog.
Hey don't forgot the sister of fate, underworld or Gaia
Dude, if you ask the developers, am pretty sure they will answer;
"Nah man, we just remade the scene until we're sure and, 'yep, that should cover it'"
Both cutscenes are different, the first is in HD, and the one when Kratos met his other self is in-game cutscene...
... and making the HD cutscene is hard.
But of course, it's an interesting topic because I am asking the same question too and finally someone is making a thing about it-
ok the segment of the second kratos coming back is not happening and here's why in TM1 gaia was imprisoned along with the other titans she bring back kratos he goes to TM2 bring gaia from the past to the future and because there's no imprisoned gaia in TM2 to bring back the other kratos he won't come back
It is simple. The other Kratos left greek then use the last of his godly power to literally turn into The chill guy and finally achieves peace.
This keeps on hanging on my head rent free... Endless loop possible. Or will appear for confusion in the future games?😅