Could Kratos Defeat Elden Ring? (In Lore)
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2023
- In this video, I go over the God of War Kratos from Ragnarok and put him against the pantheon of Gods from Elden Ring. Would he be able to defeat all of them? Could he burn down the Erdtree? Could he survive and take down Maliketh and Destined Death? How would him against Elden Lord Godfrey, Radagon, and the Elden Beast actually go?
Includes a lore catalog of all of God of War Games, but is mainly focused on Kratos in Ragnarok. Both series are being based on lore, not on game mechanics. (Although sometimes Game Mechanics are canon in certain areas and need to be addressed)
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it seems most people enjoyed the video! but two small things seem to bother people:
1. I said it doesn't matter if you think Old Kratos is weaker or stronger than Young because it just doesn't. I also want to placate to both sides as it is somewhat debated about in a lot of spaces and didn't want this video to focus on Kratos vs Kratos when it wasn't important.
2. I do say Caelid as Kylid. I have zero idea why, I guess in my head it was just more fun to say it that way as I did all my playthroughs and it just stuck with me. Hope that doesn't bother people too much!
Idk how but YT translated this to ‘hand size’ lol
Yo I got problems with not being able to see all your videos, the earliest video I can watch up to is Madara vs Aizen? I’m not sure what the problem is
Maliketh fight go HARD!
@@jordanwilliams7631 Probably because he deletes videos he no longer agrees with or dislikes the quality of. Seth seems to be pretty critical of himself and also cringes at his old videos. So if you can't find a video it's because Seth didn't like it.
love your vids keep em up. could you do batman vs skeiro pls. iv have plat and speed run sekiro and think batman or some human like him would be a cool video
One peculiar thing about Kratos is that, as a God of War, he gets stronger the more he fights - he's practically a Broly in that regard. So I imagine the world and enemies of Elden Ring would be like a never-ending stream of zenkai boost for him.
He gets passively stronger the longer he is upright in whatever realm he is in. Its not just fighting
Kratos is secretly a Saiyan lol
That's an amazing way to put it also if you notice where God of war 3 he dies near the symbolizayoon of a pheonix basically referencing the more he dies the stronger he becomes.
He’s more like TYBW Aizen tbh. Mf sits in a chair and casually becomes super OP while Kratos grows strong with age AND combat. He’s pretty busted in terms of sheer potential.
is that why he gets fucked by lava zombie dudes
No matter the outcome, Kratos vs. Radahn would be a spectacular battle
Kratos would relate to a warrior like Radahn and would give the honorable death he needed.
Kratos would slaughter him in a matter of seconds.
Kratos vs the gods described as "legends" eg. Maliketh Godfrey Placidusax would be better fights imo
@@Denzz2 definitely not a matter of seconds. riding him way too hard
Kratos one shots the verse
@@Denzz2 Don't forget that Radahn can literally control gravity. If we're talking a "lore" fight instead of a video game boss, it's a whole different story.
Kratos is not weakened. He’s a pacifist. He holds back a lot because he has matured beyond his rage and resentment.
Exactly he even said in Ragnarok should odin have stolen his son he would basically annihilate Asgard with his bare hands if needed
He is weakened lol young kratos>fear zeus>everything in Norse pantheon
@@kainescream8302 no he's just a pacifist. This is stated by the creator who said older kratos is stronger than younger kratos. If he was enraged he could've easily soloed Asgard and beaten Odin by himself. He has just matured and is more reliant on his comrades compared to himself before his eventually win against Olympus
@@mr.breadman4181 that would have been a better Ragnarok story, that would have been beautiful
@@kainescream8302 He isnt weakened as a matter of fact it has been confirmed that he is stronger than when he was in greek mythology
I know I’m late, but the developers have confirmed that Kratos has definitely become far stronger, he’s just more disciplined with his actions
Thats actually incorrect.
No developer used such words
Cory merely said Old Kratos would WIN,he didnt talk about physical strength.Brute strength isnt everything
Later on they asked another dev about that statement who stated that Old Kratos would find the strength to win cause he has to protect Atreus as motivation.
We have many statements that heavily imply/say GoW3 Kratos is much stronger than 2018 Kratos with only end of GoW2018 being somewhat close and GoW Ragnarok Kratos being stated to be on the same level as his peak after training for 3 years.
@@newhybrid101Well if it was Kratos with his gow3 weapons then yea he would win. But old kratos is much more mature and has alot more experience
@@newhybrid101 Well Im also late to this but I would also disagree and say that 2018 Kratos is much stronger then GOW3 Kratos...Simply due to the fact that not only far more years of training with his strength...but also mentally as well...Also the shit that 2018 Kratos has to deal with....In the first game and Ragnarok...with Baldur and Thor who could have rather easily beat every old god in GOD3 and before...And then Kratos beat them both....No Old Kratos got this...
@OROSW yea I don't understand how peeps think a younger kratos blinded by anger would surpass an older kratos with more knowledge, weapons and strength.
It's like saying older zues (who only has an old appearance cos he wants it...) is weaker than his younger self.
@@newhybrid101Cory literally stated old kratos would win “no question” which implies its not a close fight
Kratos: Come boy, we march for Malenia
Atreus: no father we should gain her trust as an allie for war
Mimir: "Telling random stories he heard about the elden ring and the gods there"
Atreus: “So does that mean that the Greater Will is good?”
Mimir: “It’s all up to interpretation, lad. No one can really say what the Greater Will does or doesn’t want for certain.”
Not subject to the topic but how does kratos have a soul he's died twice and still that mermaid creature who maid the spear can see him cause brok died and he hasn't got no soul
@@sharonhardy8409 different universe, different rules I suppose
@@sharonhardy8409 his soul was cursed by Persephone so that he can never permanently die in order to make his torment eternal
@@sharonhardy8409 brok still has a soul, but just part of it
I always see kratos as being stronger in base then young kratos. The only difference being that young kratos has stacked equipment like the power of hope and blade of Olympus while also being bloodlusted. Old kratos is always holding back it seems.
He is also always trying to subdue his enemies which is way harder then simply stabbing them a few times
Base Gow4 Kratos is far stronger than Rage Kratos Gow3.
Although it is true that Kratos no longer has his odd abilities, but the ones he has are always enough.
Kratos can heal, has infinite stamina, and mastery of combat.
If it's a weapon, Kratos can use it.
It is stated that old Kratos is stronger
@@FierceDeity351- No, he is not. Base GoW3 Kratos has the Blade of Olympus which holds his God of War Powers, Zeus’ powers, Athena’s powers and he also has the magics of the titans all of which immensely increase his strength
2-The only magical ability Kratos has left is rage which he always had
3- Kratos does not infinite stamina. He can eventually get tired and start seeing illusions which was shown in Fallen God comics.
For everyone who regurgitate that “Cory said so.” Actually provide evidence from GoW4 or its novel that proves this. Surely you can find it if it’s there.
The more greek god âge the stronger they become
I love how canonically, the Tarnished is killed by all these bosses multiples times, only to come back and try again.
@@jooj2955 ??
@@bruh-tp2zz It was some scammer pretending to be Seth. His comment got deleted.
no canonically the tarnished kills them on his first try cause otherwise the scene transitions wouldn't make sense.Example godrick why would he cut his hands over and over again ,other examples are malenia ,maliketh and the final boss
@@prayagshetty1672 I don't know anything about Elden Ring Lore, but maybe is something like SCP: Containment Breach, where the main character canonically dies and comes back to life at a past "checkpoint" with the knowledge of what his past self experienced before dying (?)
@@creativename3707 I think in elden ring time continues even after u die .I can't give proof rn cause i cant remember them but there are NPCs who know u have died and make fun of u or something
I think Maliketh is the only one that has a chance to defeat kratos and kill him once and for all using destined death
The outer gods scale above Maliketh. So does the Elden Beast. So does potentially placidusax and godfrey.
Kratos would love Elden ring. He would casually bump into people that can rival him in power.
@@Denzz2 Placiduax and Godfrey doesn’t scale Higher. Only Elden Beast and Outer Gods scales higher than Maliketh.
@@Denzz2 Maliketh is single-handedly the most important entity in the game other than the outer gods of course. With him dead the order of the world is completely flipped, he serves as a grim reaper and to also keep Marika in check, so at the very least he’s equal to her in power, he also defeated an Empyrean and her army alone so I’d say he ranks above Godfrey and maybe even Placiduisax.
First off, it'd be a miracle if he would even get a chance to use it before Kratos kills him. Second,destined death is too vague to even say what effect it would have on Kratos. Third, Kratos also has a high chance to just elevate into an even higher existence like Athena after his 'death'.
Kratos fighting rahdan would be legendary. Kratos would parry that star chaser attack.
Or imagine Kratos fighting Hoarah Loux. It would be one of the manlinest fights ever.
I bet he would brutally kill his horse first
@@zenyattafgc no, horse precious. No. No.
@@blueford2990 LMAO. It will be to simply catch Radahn off balance. Thats always his strat with giant enemies.
Tragic, I know.
@@zenyattafgc if he killed Leonard, he would be in a world of pain
Kratos vs The Dark Souls pantheon would’ve been a lot more contentious. With some of the top-god tiers being able to sustain or fuel constructs, which arguably collapses multiple universes onto each other while also distorting their time and space. And with even dragons existing before time and maybe space.
cosmology still doesn't reach gow level tho 🗿
@@AmsyarBrosku it probably exceeds it if you don’t wank off the Yggdrasil feat. Based on the strict universal feats from both series. Dark souls probably takes it due to the fact that the first flame collapses countless universes. So it’s better than Thor and Jormungandr shaking the 9 realms.
Kratos kills and eats dragons for breakfast
@@brendanfields3691 fs, Kratos would probably fuck up the majority of dragons if not all the dragons in Dark Souls. Probably other than Seath who should be above lords of cinder which they could arguably have higher scaling than Kratos.
The dragons couldn't possibly exist beyond time and space. They lived in arch trees in a land of grey crags, originally surrounded by hollows, until the humans were infused with souls and found The First Flame. This necessitates they cannot be beyond time or space. The closest ones are Aldia, who fused into the very literal foundation of the world, beyond even the Dark and the Deep, and the Giants, who by special rite could traverse through history, at the very least that we know of. The next closest is Fia, who could function as a gateway to some strange end of days that might be akin a debatable cyclical nature of the world trying to return to darkness so it can be a land of grey again. Aldia isn't even conscious that we know of after DS2, so maybe I should only count the giants after all. The First Flame definitely is beyond time, space, life and death. It summons the Black Knights and stirs godly souls into a vanguard to enable it to perpetuate the aforementioned cycle without intervention. Yet the Flame displays nary a wit of sentience or resistance to this Linking, so we cannot hope to count it. Better to say The Profaned Flame, which is malicious and spite and conspiratorial.
Kratos is not weak, he has grown older, he has more experience, and has learned from past mistakes. He now holds back, because he rather not go all out and cause unnecessary destruction and death if he can avoid so.
There is truth here
It would be interesting to see Seth talk more about the Souls games. There is a lot of power scaling potential and speculation on how strong were some of the characters in their prime.
Cory Barlog confirmed that Kratos' strength increases with age and that he would defeat his younger self without question
Well, it doesn't seem very accompanied by the games, because the Norse Kratos seems weaker than the Greek Kratos
@@henrryeaeaea he lost all his powers when he left his realm
@@depressedasfook2893 And that implies being weaker
@@depressedasfook2893 they said his magic items lost all of their power, Kratos is still trucking, and he doesn't use the power of Hope or really anything outside of a handful of weapons to beat Odin. Hell, he could canonically beat Odin with just his fists if the player is daring enough
@@henrryeaeaea He only "seems weaker" because of differences in game mechanics. Game mechanics aren't necessarily accurate to canon GoW lore (same situation in almost every lore-driven game series). Whatever you think about the Norse games, Kratos' physical strength is canonically greater than it's ever been.
so most people don't know this but Kratos is actually stronger than his past self, it may seem like he is "worn down" or "weakened" but that is (mostly) because he doesn't want to go back to his past self, I've also heard that he only uses 30% of his power but that may not be true
Also, the creator of the game said that old Kratos is stronger than his past self and that he has infinite power
@@weebkingray4109 Infinite strength, not power. As for the 30% of his power thing, that's the first time I've heard it so I'm not sure.
Yeah if you notice in game the moment he chooses to kill someone they are done, finito, they literally stand no chance. He straight up one taps Bauldur, moves faster than Hiemdall can read minds etc. then only reason Odin didn't get the same treatment is because Kratos was tryin to subdue him and subduing someone is way harder than actually killing them.
@@weebkingray4109 old Kratos as in the one from the older games? Or old as In age. I don’t see how older kratos is stronger than his older self he lost all his magical abilities.
So he held back during the countless time that boy almost got killed? I never liked the theory that Kratos was holding back, it stripped all the tension and seriousness of the entire experience
I think the real question is, could the Tarnished survive the GOW universe? I bring this up because throughout the video I had an image of my head of Baldur knocking on Kratos’ door and seeing the Tarnished before asking “who the hell are you?”
tarnished grants him destined death and proceeds to oneshot him with the sword that is literally a transfigured radagon.
The Tarnished is pretty strong if you think about it. Also if he still has his immortality then he will just keep coming back until he downloads Odin's moves and woops his ass lol
Tarnished: **
@@swiftchancellor159 yeah Tarnished has tons of hax and prolly out Haxed the Norse Pantheon easily, the Greeks are debatable
Norse? Yeah, Greek? Blade of Olympus kills immortals, so take that as you will
You weren't powerful enough to beat the allegations 😔
Cant write new videos when you've burnt all the bridges of the people who were doing the content for you
@@kylekghwouldnt matter even if he tried to make em himself, i dont even think hes monetized
BUT WHAT IF
One argument in the Elden Ring verse’s favor is that, in the Elden Beast fight, the arena is made up of hundreds of Erdtrees. If we take this to be a representation of multiple realities (which is incredibly likely), then the Elden Beast functions on the level of multiversal threats, something which it’s super debatable Kratos can at all contend with. By that logic, not only could the Elden beast have a good chance of defeating Kratos, so does Malenia, from the fact that not only did she resist the goddess of rot for so long, but she had also become the goddess of rot’s physical avatar in phase 2, making Kratos deal with a power being brought down to his comprehension.
Too uninterpretable and vague. Much like how the Elden ring works. The universe isn’t deterministic on its existence and it only acts as an enforcer or vassals for an outer gods influence. The Elden beast feat is multi solar system-universal at best.
the world tree yggdrasil trancends the concept of space-time, thor splintered it and kratos tanks an fp thor.... that's a feat way beyond infinite realities
gow with the world tree scaling could scale the verse from base complex to outerversal.... that's the difference in cosmology, if we adding cosmology then kratos literally negs via no limits fallacy 🗿
@@AmsyarBrosku the Yggdrasil only transcends the notion of time and space and it’s not qualitatively superior to those said concepts. The fact that it’s still bounded by the fate of the world implies that it would even be near low complex or outerversal levels of power. People seem to forget that time and space already exists on a metaphysical level and then jerk off the feat to extreme levels.
Wouldn’t* Yggdrasil is like only low multi at most and loses to Goku lmfao
@@ALMSIVI3e427
This is on top of Kratos never being implied to do high level damage to the world tree. Thor splintered it, but we see how massive the tree is in Ragnarok. A splinter is not gonna destroy it by a long shot.
If anything, a better argument is that Kratos killed Nidhogg with assistance, who’s able to ‘trim the roots’, but never implied to be able to harm the tree meaningfully.
Og Gow and elden is just going around killing a big family of demi gods
Sounds about right🤣
gow 1 : kill a god
elden ring :too kill a god
@@SnorlaxBear noice. Either way u still kill families of demi gods in both games
Love it. There are a few power scaling topics in ER that would be cool, but kinda pointless or impossible. We just don't know how strong people like Ranni or Miquella are, and comparing Malenia's strength to the player characters seems arbitrary. But something like a "How far would Pontiff Sullivan make it in the Lands Between?" would be an awesome video. Midir vs Placidusaxx. Ish like that would be dope
Seth is finished it seems. I hope fir his own sake he's getting helo
This aged so bad lmao.
This aged terrible lmfao
BUYHAHAHAHAHA
We've never really seen how Kratos is affected by diseases other than the pestilence released by Hermes having no effect, but poison attacks do drain health in the Norse games
If Kratos comes down with Scarlet Rot mid battle, he may die if he's by himself without Atreus or Freya to heal him
If we are going with Elden ring’s logic then Kratos wouldn’t even need that, he would be practically immune to it because of the. Blades of chaos with their primordial flame burning the Scarlet rot.
isnt kratos cursed to never die ?
@@aqz-df4mx Not really.
He'd literally just heal it
In game his spartan rage can remove any element he's affected by.
1:27 it's been confirmed that while he has more power than his younger self, he also shows much greater restraint.
Kratos fights and lives as a man. Although he has the power of a god, he almost never shows it anymore. THATS how much restraint he has. He fought Thor, The Norse God of Thunder and Strength, holding back to the level of a man. Which makes the what Kratos does even more impressive.
It has also been confirmed that he doesn't have most of his old magics and gear anymore becuase their power was tied to the land of Greece. So he might be "stronger" he was probably more dangerous with the blade of Olympus, lighting bolts, ect.
Ya go for it man, love hearing your thoughts on all the verses
I do think that Maliketh's Death won't autokill Kratos, but only because it isn't the full Rune of Death, as some of it was stolen away by Ranni to give to the Black Knife Assassins. I agree with this on every count, even with Kratos holding back his rage.
If Kratos is to head toward 'Destined Death' then he beats them all. He is literally the destroyer of fate/destiny.
He is the killer of fate not the destroyer well in, God of war Ragnarok he is the destroyer of fate so you’re technically right.
Destined death is just another name for it. It’s not literally destiny. It’s just called that. It’s more just the concept of death. Think about it like this, if something has the concept of death, then it will eventually die, i.e. be destined for death.
It’s also called the Rune of Death.
@@SentinalSlice not to mention it destroys body and soul. Which is why anyone who’d think of maliketh fear him
@@elviraweekes3906 Yeah, am referencing the Norns. It's basically plot armor. LOL
@@SentinalSlice I get that, Ranni explained it. I referencing his plot armor against all types of prophecies/fate/destiny from GOWR
If we’re going by in-universe rules, here are the things that would be capable of stopping him: Destined Death, Scarlet Rot, Unalloyed Gold, The Flame of Frenzy if he’s arrogant enough to try and harness it, and possibly cosmic beings like Astel depending on the full extent of that thing’s power (technically it should be able to teleport people into space, that’s where Astel summons its meteors from).
Didn't Thor hit the world serpent so hard that it went back in time but then Thor hits Kratos and he remained there?
Even Odin was shaping hands with Kratos and yet there Kratos STILL remained.
No matter the pantheon kratos would collect their weapons and magic and the older kratos would take the time to care and know the power intimately, so like the main character of the game he'd be getting stronger as he goes
you probably don't the fact that thor sent jormungandr back through space-time (time travel)
the world tree trancends the concept of space-time which could scale the verse around outerversal
kratos cannot "permanently" die, cuz y'know he just refuses to die
it also depends if it's gow 3 kratos or current kratos (Ragnarok)... gow 3 kratos would be more blinded by rage and would almost instantly try to kill yoi while Ragnarok kratos would most likely try to see how his enemies abilities work
kratos was able to tank hits from a bloodlusted fp thor, the same dude that splintered the world tree which contains 9 infinite sized realms and sent jormungandr back in time..... meaning kratos could most likely tank almost any attacks in elden ring
kratos was able to beat character's like zeus who literally one-shoted gaia the literal personification of the earth and is also a primordial meaning he's physically stronger than anyone in elden ring....
primordials can literally effect concepts of something like thanatos who literally created the domain of death which is an infinite sized realm that trancends the concept of death
it highly depends on how heavy are the stars that radahn was carrying, if it's below an infinite sized realm level then kratos instantly negs
@@AmsyarBrosku ddeath will kill him no matter what he does lol
@@imperfekt_zen In Kratos' own words "Death can have me, when it earns me". Nothing kills Kratos,HE chooses when he died.
Agree with the conclusion but the only reason we are resurrected after losing to characters like Malekith is because of the Elden Tree. If we are assuming that Kratos isn’t granted grace and isn’t chosen by the Elden Tree, Malekith can straight up kill him permanently as Destined Death is the only reason we can kill the Elden Beast in the first place. The “secret ending” that takes place with Melina also implies that she can kill the Lord of Frenzied Flame, meaning that someone wielding the full power of it can kill people who scale above the Elden Beast.
and he was never seen again. wild man is off the face of earth
Strong possibility he could. But we must also consider he would be playing by the rules of the realm. Meaning he can die if the right person kills him. That's my take.
Edit: so to answer a question about "playing by the rules of the realm" I mean to make the fight actually mean something either Kratos would be crossing over into the Lands Between without his power from his own universe. I use this type guideline with any "what if" battles to not only make the fight interesting but also make sense. For example it would make no sense for something like the infinity stones to work outside of their universe of origin because its been established that that isn't possible. And since its been proven that Kratos lost his abilities when Greece died there's a chance that if he out right left his own universe his magic would not work anywhere else. That being said his raw power alone could see him through to the end. That being said things operate differently in Elden ring as it was explained in the video. Given the strange way Elden Ring goes about the concept of death dying in this realm complicates things. Without the death rune no one really dies. So for Kratos to die without the aid of the death rune would break the rules of the universe. But there's also the possibility that not being from that universe the rules may not apply to him. But that also means that applies to all other opponents he has been theorized to be pitted against.
The big thing here is where the fight takes place. To me that greatly determines the outcome. Not sure that clears up any confusion, but this is all theoretical so in the end the victor will always be chosen by the one who is writing the story.
But would he die?
Even if hes playing by the rules of the world hes escaped hell and even came back from death plus weve seen his fast healing
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ya, we don't think the Erd Tree Burial would work this time
@@-LowResDream but that’s the thing when the tree dies you truly die your gone forever no hell nothing light that it’s bleak
I'm sorry, what do you mean "playing by the rules of the realm" ?
I could see this being an interesting fight. If he has to play by elden ring rules, it would be a tough ass fight, especially radahn. Which radahn actually did halt the stars as you see them be released upon his defeat in the cutscene. It would be hard to scale if he would beat radahn as radahn constantly holding up the stars and a meteor that was going to destroy his hometown is akin to him tying one arm behind his back and wearing weights on his legs along with the fact we have no true idea how strong he and malenia were in their primes.
I mean Kratos scales higher than Atlas who held the entire Greek universe up and last I checked holding a universe is a greater feat than holding the stars so Radahn literally gets one shot. Now if we want to go even further than that by the end of the 3rd game Kratos scales higher than Zeus who scales higher than all the primordial and Titans who created the Greek Multiverse, Space, Time etc. in essence Radahn doesnt even get the chance to fight back againts GOW 3 Kratos much less the stronger GOW Ragnarök Kratos.
He was also holding back fate, it wasn’t just holding the stairs, but holding back fate itself.
@@Hiraeth010 Yeah that isn't too big a feat considering Kratos killed fate at one point in the form of the fates
@@ricremricrem2221 yeah, also we’re talking about in elden ring lore with kratos taking the place of the tarnished. The result could maybe be the same if it was just full powered kratos v elden ring, though I wonder if it still would with the tarnished (the player character) involved like some bloody finger invader.
@@ricremricrem2221 gow lore zeus is stronger than all primordials except chaos
but i do agree with you're statements, kratos would literally solo the verse even if you ignore the Cosmology difference.... if you add the Cosmology bruh that's just unfair gow with the world tree could scale up to outerversal via trancending the concept of space-time
Never thought I'd see the day Seth breaks down and power scales soulsborne lore. Awesome video, I'd love to see more souls stuff from you!
Bro haven't seen the allegations
Just an FYI: at the speed of light, time literally stands still, so if the dragon/character are moving at that speed, it is possible to travel without any time passing (with some caveats).
I think you got the elden beast thing wrong. The elden beast is a part of the greater will like a sort of commander in an army. It’s said in the elden stars item description that the greater will sent a star bearing a beast to the lands between. Not that the elden beast just sent itself. So there potentially could be more elden beasts but it is not the greater will as a whole.
He understood that as he only offered up the interpretation of the Elden Beast as a incarnation of not only order but the Greater Will itself, as a highball for the Elden Beast against Kratos.
Thats why he said interpretation and gave other arguments. He knew all that already.
The Elden Beast isn't just a commander in the GW's army or whatever, it is quite literally the Elden Ring itself, which is a metaphysical object capable of imposing laws of physics and concept on any living being, including the Beast itself, as shown by the fact that the Rune of Death, once unbound, is capable of killing the Elden Beast and any other lifeforms permanently
Love Souls game lore put into vs battles, its always an interesting watch.
Amazing video man. Continue with great videos!!!
guy spent the whole time rem-oving comments for the last year thats against him lol
Now this was a straight up killer idea. Nice work Seth ❤
bro gonna get killed in prison
It's very unique when you look at the gods. Like the Greek gods he gets stronger as he gets older but he doesn't need to be worshipped or eat the foods they ate to prolong his lifespan. Granted he does look older and in the new games hes also stronger which doesn't really correlate. I think it's more of the fact that hes having to show a great amount of restraint and discipline at all times to hold back His anger and dealing with constant nightmares memories cetera thats making him look older. We know hes over a thousand years old and as a demi god hes proven himself stronger than high ranking gods. Plus so far every time kratos has died hes just said yeah and I'm not doing that today.
Very interesting explanation. Even though I didn’t play any of the God of War games or Elden Ring (or any other From Software game) I really liked your explanation of the respective lore 👍
really enjoy these videos!!
I Love these over the board insights, says a lot about the thought and attention to detail that went into making Elden Ring.
This is an INSANE video idea!
Great video, and one point regarding the Outer Gods;
It is very safe to assume that they are akin to H.P. Lovecraft’s Eldritch beings in scale and in power. This is due to the fact that George R. R. Martin was a co-creater overseeing Elden Ring’s lore and world building. Martin has been on record stating he was heavily inspired by Lovecraft’s work. If you are familiar with his published and written work (yes even the TV show) then you would know he includes many references to Lovecraftian-eque gods and monsters in his works. A few example of these deities include: The Drowned Gods, The Deep Ones, also Fish-like people who worship a frog statue made of oily black stone, and massive cities made again entirely out of oily black stone. All of which are synonymous with Lovecraftian lore and world building. Martin likes to use these Lovecraft’s inspired deity’s to be the foundation of the outerversal gods in his story’s lore, never interacting directly with the story but always being present deep within.
So judging off Martin’s own testimony, his previous works, and his tendencies. I can pretty safely say this is the same for Elden Ring.
Awesome video bro
This is such a great idea! So excited to watch this
This is an exciting video idea, can't wait to see how Kratos fairs!
nice pfp brandon
@@Nova-3- thanks Nova, you too!
He scales just fine in this verse not surprising 😂💪🏼
@@EchoDragonHawk yeah but I didn't know Elden ring scaling so it was a fresh experiment for me
"Death can have me when it earns me." - Kratos
I was reminded of that when we got to the Destined Death stuff. Awesome video. 🤘
The thanatos feat really gives clear insight for how Strong kratos is
Kratos isn't weakened he just holds back significantly
When In life or death as well? Makes no sense
@@m3tal. Why not? It’s a video game about a made up Greek god I’m sure they use some creative liberties after all.
@@kazuha74 why is he holding back even in a life or death situation
@@m3tal. well that’s probably not always the case of course but firstly we’re talking about the same dude that is introduced to us while he’s committing sewerslide so there’s psychological reasons on top of just calming the heck down over the years and coming to realize his brute force methods tend to send him overboard so he wouldn’t likely want to lose control like he had in the past like ya know taking out the majority of the Greek pantheon or the slaughtering he did for Aries that lead him to slaughter his wife and daughter, and have him remember that forever and the consequences of killing all the gods.
Yes, BECAUSE HE LITERALLY CANNOT DIE, HE LIKE THE TARNISHED BUT Its SUFFERIN. ALSO HE DOESNT WANNA BECOME THAT MONSTER AGAIN BY NOT HOLDING BACK@@m3tal.
"RADAGON I HAVE RETURNED AND I COME SEEKING THE WEED OF LEYNDELL!!!"
I think the reason that’s keeping Kratos from using those Greek powers is his mentality he’s wanted to leave his old life behind him and even trained to control his rage with gods a lot about them can alter it seems just based on their mentality, like Atreus getting sick but him believing himself a mortal and being far weaker, it’s after realizing what is his he stops getting sick and even starts effecting the weather with his anger as well as being strong enough to cause shock waves and stagger a Baldur whose actually trying. I think Kratos saying he tried using those powers was before the events of GOW 4 after all the Blades of Chaos still work after Greece’s destruction, after Kratos’ breakthrough after Ragnorak he might be able to use those powers again, and if he can’t well then I guess that’s that
I love your god of war videos so much and would love to see more
Next video: Can Kratos beat the Tarnished of no Renown?
A 30 ft fall kills the tarnished. Kratos one shots him with a flick.
@One armed wolf89 in game kratos too,your point? Im not saying that kratos would loose, but using game mechanics is dumb
@@Wicked061 Tarnished can also survive a meteor to the face. Game mechanics are weird.
I mean the Tarnished just keeps coming back. They’d learn Kratos’s mechanics eventually.
@@SentinalSlice game mechanic argument no.2
The time thing with the dragon feels pretty out there. It seems more like Placidisax just exists in its own sort of timeless sphere. Like time doesn’t effect things, aging them and stuff.
Yeah I don’t go with such a high tier take on Elden Ring lore but it’s fun
Not really, he created a realm outside time and space who bounds all rules of reality just for himself to wait the return of his Outer God. Basically, he's on a parallel universe or dimension who is not affected by the rules of reality.
Yeah, dude created a demiplane with the aspect 'time-stopped'. Scaling him to infinite speed as a result is downright stupid, let alone doing the same for every boss that comes *after* him. TBH that's when the video lost any legitimacy as far as I'm concerned.
@@zygardegodslayer4750 demiplane?
@@ItsButterBean1020 I don't THINK it's a generally accepted rpg term? But basically an extra, miniature world. A new plane of reality, if a pseudo one.
this guy spent the whole year removing all the comments against him lol
Seth and Souls is a W combo. I’ve been waiting for a vid like this since you mentioned Bloodborne in your first Kratos video. Bro really teased us and left us hanging for like 5 years
Elden beast:
“ I am an envoy of the greater will, a gilded vassal to this world, faithful gaurdian of the elden ring, my strength is comparable to none but that of the lord who holds dominion over these lands, cease this volley, lest you wish to fall from his grace…”
Kratos: *“They fall as well”*
* proceeds to brutally murder the elden beast *
pathetic
Kratos slaughters the elden ring verse
How’s tanking the allegations doing?
I agree. When mentioning the term “Outer God” it is always depicted as outer gods being many times stronger than normal gods. A outer god to a normal god, is what a normal god is to a human. I do think kratos would get rid of scarlot rot as there is that one incantation that cures scarlot rot by purifying yourself with fire but scarlot rot wouldn’t just burn away from the presence of it as observed when there’s fire all over caelid but scarlot rot is still present. It would need fire that is focused specifically onto the scarlot rot and not a fire that is just burning in general if you get what I mean. Basically he would need to control the fire. As for destined death I think it would play a bigger role as the first demigod slain was stabbed with multiple black knives (which contain a fragment of destined death) and instantly died in mind. So the true destined death would be more scary. I assume the destined death effect would be like TRUE damage. It wouldn’t be able to be healed but can be blocked and possibly mitgated to certain extent. So krstos wouldn’t be able to heal from it and it might work by slowly deleting him from existence in current and future time (I say current and future time because people still know about the gloam eyed queen so she would’ve had to existed at one point even though she died to destined death). So destined death either deletes people or destroys their soul permanently. I did go kinda off topic but the point is he would struggle with destined deathand slightly struggle with scarlot rot. That is until he finds out the cure for SR. Just like in the nordic world he had to find out interactions and wouldn’t just know that scarlot rot is cured with fire focused onto it
This was very cool, i would love to see more souls content
Hey @SethTheProgrammer I just need to ask one question. Where Exactly did yu find that god of war geography scan at..
Regarding time-breaking situations, we should look at how the battles play out. The boss's effects on time affect its surroundings in such a way that time is perceived in the way that we do as the player controlling the character. If a boss that affects time is glitching around at blistering speeds when our character fights them, then that's the speed we scale to. If the boss is a slow lumbering oaf, of our character is the one spazzing around, then that's used in scaling.
Love this. Please do a video purely on Thor from Ragnarok.
Most definitely especially when almost everything in the lands between is weak to fire. I love how many mythologies was related in landscape between,I can totally see him actually encounter and discovering the lands between.
The only people I can see having an honorable fight with godfrey and radahn,although I think horah loux could give him quite a challenge. And rychard could be potent danger since he devours gods
I've been waiting for this hy
Outer One is outer. Primordials in GoW only affect their pantheons universe. There’s no overlap. Outer one created all of existence. Outerversal. Elden Beast 1 dinks Kratos without runes
bruh you really think elden ring is outerversal?! 😂
it caps at complex multiversal 🗿🤡
just because primordials of certain pantheon can't effect other pants doesn't mean they can't kill you with their fuqin magic 🤦♂️
plus gow cosmology literally outscales in every way possible 💀
@@AmsyarBrosku Uses emotes = Invalid
Seth really out here dropping the most creative videos fr 😭
This is fantastic!
bro. older kratos is not weaker. It’s not even a debate, the creators of the game confirmed themselves that older kratos is much stronger
Agreed
I guess it depends how Destined Death or the godslayer flames damage him, that may be the best way to kill him in verse here.
nope.... nope.... nope.... kratos can easily manipulate Destined Death like what kratos would do all the time.... there's still no one viable argument in which Destined Death is as strong as the greek pantheon or GOWs power scaling
@@godzillazfriction yes, its in the name Its destined death he dies and its over because thats HIS destined death
@@ranbojd1070 yep I can tell you. don't know anything about kratos aka GOW in general
@@godzillazfriction since when its Kratos = all of GOW unlike you i have played the gamrs
@@ranbojd1070 dude.... kratos literally trancends the concept of death man literally beat thanatos the primordial god of death that literally created the domain of death which is an infinite sized realm 🗿
I like how you talk about the lore/gameplay problem with God Of War. It seems like people don’t realise that they need to have Kratos nerfed for gameplay like needing ladders or not being able to jump over a wall. If the game was made in reference to the lore you wouldn’t be able to enjoy the game
WRONG I want to play that game XD
@@danieltirico6593 cue Kratos going all out and giving Thor the Hercules treatment with Mjölnir.
I wonder if that means that radagon or marika could beat Kratos if they just squared up with him before freeing Destin death.
Since apparently he couldn’t overwhelm immortality and without him going to beat Maliketh both of them would be immortal. there’s a reason why she’s called the eternal
This video is fantastic, I would love to see more seth fromsoft content.
Could you do a new video on how strong kratos is cause the last one was a while back and now kratos has new fetas that could scale him higher than what he was before.
Pffft. It's a good thing I had this tab still open.
Great Concept!!
my dumbass thought he was gonna do a Kratos build playthrough 💀💀💀
Seth is an elden ring lore channel now and I'm here for it.
More Souls is always good. How about ranking Fromsoft's bosses?
The realm of the Elden Beast might be more impressive than Yggdragsil depending on if each tree represents a planet or a universe. Some have speculated that each FromSoftverse is connect by those trees, because Dark Souls 1 has Ash Lake which is also a place with similar trees though different of color.
The trees could also represent alternate dimensions of the Lands Between with each tree representing the dimensions of the other players who exist parallel to ours (that's the canon explanation for why we occasionally see other players) which would explain why each one of those trees has the same color. That could make the realm be connected to an infinite amount of alternate dimensions (or at the very least as much dimensions as there are players). That should put it miles above Yggdragsil.
Each tree could also represent a planet, but there is nothing in any of Fromsoft's lore I can think of that even hints at that.
To my understanding, an infinite amount of alternate, 4D dimensions are still limited in the sense that time and physical dimension set the ceiling on their vastness. On the other hand, the Yggdrasil transcends those very concepts entirely, making it 5th dimensional at the very least. And kratos, while never showing that he can entirely destroy this minimum 5th dimensional object, at least shows that he can damage it. I could be wrong, but in my eyes damage and durability directly proven to be on a 5th dimensional level is far beyond endless 4D feats.
@@JuliusAureliusMaximus The realm of the Elden Beast would be the place that connects those universes and not part of the universes itself. That would make it similar to Yggdragsil. The main difference would be that The Realm of the Elden Beast would link as much universes as there are players while Yggdragsil connects 9 realms/universes. It also wouldn't be the only 5th dimensional space as the Dragonlord Placidusax resides in one created by himself which makes higher dimensional feats seem like a lesser deal than in GoW.
so i count that theres 9 edtrees
loved it!
not that I think it changes much but saying “Kratos is immune to scarlet rot, because he has the fire of gods within him” or something, I don’t think is super accurate. The fire giant literally has the fell god, a god of fire, inside of him and he can be scarlet rotted.
Fire staves off scarlet rot but it doesn’t disable it.
Yeah, I'd say that scaling holds up. With characters like Kratos, where "godly power" is anywhere from citykiller to universal, and we can't powerscale by size feats like in Dragonball for ecample, it gets kinda tricky, But I'd say you handled it well. I agree; he could defeat the demigods and maybe even the elden beast, but ask him to slay an outer god and he'd have serious trouble.
Do more Elden ring videos and lore videos
This game despite being released a year ago is still very very popular and profitable.
The pantheism is very interesting and a billion videos can be made on it.
A lot people who played the game do not understand or are able to power-scale Elden ring and you in the video are very knowledgeable of the game and lore.
Good job seth nice video
An important thing to remember is that in Fromsoft's games, they've demonstrated that before distinction is brought about in the universe, entities are capable of living in this state of gray oneness. True dragons are one such type of creature.
And that’s just him with the shards of the Elden ring. Imagine him with the weapons found in the lands between. He would apply every single buff in the game to himself and then apply ever single status effect to any boss that is unlucky enough to come face-to-face with him.
I mean Radahn was actually stopping stars. He prevented the moving of constellations. He just so happens to also be holding back giant meteors as well.
Dude this is the video I needed in my life
I'm currently doing a Kratos Build with Highland Axe with Chilling Mist, magma candlestick for blades of chaos for the whip range and the cyclone of chaos, and Caetus with War Cry for the rage punches.
the one biggest worry though/ What would stop Kratos from being infected with Scarlet Rot and then going mad as Radhan did? Scarlet rot being one of those things severely gimped in how it affects the player, but being the absolute WORSE in lore, with no known cure only ways to at best supress it
I think Odin in his prime (warring days before he switched his strength for knowledge) would be somewhere closer or could even be stronger than Zeus.
Cool video
I think you should have talked about elden rings biggesst chad godfrey as he is very similar to kratos and would be a threat to him
To get it out of the way :there is no talking godfrey out of a duel, when tarnished enters the aren godfrey mourns his son and serosh roars(serosh perpuse is to quench godfreys bloodlust and fury which impliess godfrey is really pissed at the sight of his dead child and its killer)
Godfreys story is quite similar to kratos early life
A man turned god who deafets other gods
Godfrey was born horrah loux a savage warrior from outside the lands bettwen who was also a chosen /maybe an avatar of the crucible which is a manifistation of life itself . Godfrey after taking serosh on his back was offered the role of elden lord .
As elden lord godfrey deafeted all of golden orders enemies so well that it became a problem. Erdtree nourishses from corpses and it needs them , so godfrey and his army were exiled or rather send away to figth so that erdtree can nourish from their struggle , godfrey killed the fire giants and sealed away their god , cut of 3 out of 5 heads of placidusax and likely fougth eglay the god devouring serpent .
Godfrey vs kratos would be an ironic figth in a way , godfrey is a savage playing the role of a noble lord out of his own will while kratos is a noble person playing the part of a monster against his will.
Kratos still wins it but it wont be easy , godfrey has the strength and expierence to match the ghost of sparta or at least not be curbstomped.
And then godfrey kills serosh and unleashes who he trully is
Horrah loux can be compared to kratos on spartan rage in the figthing style and in the level of anger but i think the figth would be easier for kratos than normal godfrey , horrah loux wears no armor and is hyper aggresive which would allow kratos to capitalise . This figth is basicly old kratos vs the god of war 1 to 2 kratos
Hell yeah. Elden Ring!!! And God of War!!!
Have you considered doing final fantasy scaling? I can see them having some weird scaling.
AMAZING VIDEO SETH AS ALWAYS HOLY FUCK IVE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS MUCH LOVE
Seth thanks for the video
it’s also confirmed that older kratos is stronger than younger kratos. since the greek gods get stronger the more they age it makes sense