Pigments are mined and created from different sources and areas of the world. Within different pencil/paint/pastel companies geographic sources for pigments vary as well. Different ratios of oil and wax sometimes animal fats (Holbein color pencils, amazing!) and kaolin are varying within different pigments. Earth pigments like black, ochre, sienna, and umbers require different ratios of oil/wax kaolin than the blue, yellow, red, orange, green, and violet pigments which vary within themselves as far as ratios of oil/wax/clay. I have gone down the rabbit holes with pigments, paints, pencils, and pastels and have learned a lot of interesting facts. It has actually been helpful to my artwork because I understand more about the pigments, mediums, chemicals and resources used in making different art mediums. I don't know everything and like you said no one knows but the company what those ratios are. But what I understand from learning about pigments from oil paints is earth pigments dry faster. So that alone right there tells me a factor that could affect the process within pencil formulas. There are many different types of black pigments also. Carbon black ,lamp black, Mars black, Cassel Earth. "Natural pigments" has a lot of information on their website about pigments and they are responsive with questions and also knowledgeable in different areas besides oil paint. Also the "Dick Blick" art affiliated forum called "Wet Canvas" contains threads pertaining to different art mediums including colored pencils. I have learned a lot from reading through threads there and asking questions. Some of the people on there have chemistry/scientific level knowledge and experience. I hope this helps you to learn and understand more like it did for me going down all these rabbit holes! Enjoy your journey!
Appreciate the comparisons. Very interesting. Also too, the paper makes a difference. Lyra, Faber Castell will tell you what paper their various products shine best on. I blend easily on the right paper with "the oils". Plus the "oils" have use with mineral spirits to look like an actual oil painting and such. Adult coloring books can vary so I think "wax based" are probably a best buy. As you showed, no need for "specialty" items to do great quality work on that end.
I started in may of this year, and this video showed me that the lyra and de ever so famous polychromos are very a like (not the same, but very much a like). Here in brazil, the polychromos costs 3x the price of the lyra!!! Soon i will buy the lyra, and this video helped me make the final decision (i hope in the future, i will be able to buy the luminance)
You need to match your pencils to the right paper for that pencil. I, personally, don't feel that is the best paper to test pencils on. In my opinion certain pencils work best with certain paper. In certain color books one pencil may work much better than another kind.
Yep, I definitely agree with you about the paper you need to use to apply the pencils on. You shouldn’t use a normal notebook paper for this type of test because a notebook paper is too thin for layering colours and there is no tooth for the pigments to hold on too. If you are layering colours on top of each other you wouldn’t get much layers on and it would look and feel like you’ve burnished the colours.
Oh boy, we don't like constructive criticism. Read the other comments, I'm not alone. I'm very well aware what paper is in those coloring books, most of them. But if you dova test especially with those type of high quality pencils, you should use a quality paper not a lined thin paper on a cheap pad. Sorry, I worked for colored pencils a lot and I know what paper means. And everyone knows oil based pencils behave completely differently than waxed based. Actually they all have both but in different proportion.
@@greekveteran2715 For oil based like Polychromos, a paper with more texture will work better, a vellum finish. Neenah has a nice one, Springhill has a little more texture. For wax based like Prismas, a smoother paper is good because you don't need ti layer as much, but still with a little texture. The backside of Neenah Vellum is smoother also the Strathmore Bristol Smooth.
@@judithf9297 Thank you very much! I really appriciate it! I recently got into coloured pencil drawing. Most info I found on the internet, was that the Facriano Artistico hotpress, is some of the best papers for Polychromos, so I got that one for now. It seems to work great as all people said! The only downside, that some may find with that paper, is only the fact that it's not 100% white, it's colour is slightly cream, but I really like the fact that it's surface is hard and takes Faber Castell hard pencils like a dream!! Thanks again for all the info, I'll try more papers for sure!!
NeeCee I’m so very happy that you did this because I never cared nor understood the difference. I based my purchase on how the pencils felt going on the paper. As far as wax pencils go nothing compares to Prismacolor they’re in a league of their own. They’re sooo smooth and buttery so I never bothered to compare them to polychomos . I think that different pencils perform differently and they all have their place. Thank you for another great video.🥰
every review is different - based on the personal style, the used paper, etc. - and at the end you should have one brand for details and natural colors (like Polychromos, Luminance, etc.) and one for larger areas, better blending and a different style of colorful (like prismacolor premier soft core). so - buy both and be happy ;-) the only thing with prismacolor and so many other brands - you can NOT buy separate pencils! and when your favourite used colors are empty you have to buy a whole new set - really bad choice of these companies for us - but good for their pockets ;-)
I love when you show us the comparison of these pencils. Can you do a comparison by coloring different things in the same picture with each comparison to show how the color and pencils come out differently in pictures?
@@DollarDiva99 I second Shaytee B's vote! I would love to see how these pencils compare to each other on a coloring page. RN, I've got Prismas 72 set, Derwent Lightfast 12 set, and Arteza's Expert 120 set, but, I want to branch out and grab more pencils. I'm currently eyeing the Luminance 12 set or the Polychromos set of 24. Seeing how they perform side by side would be a great help in making my decision!
My opinion, to those who care, QUIT spending money on 15 sets of budget pencils. Save a year like I did and buy a set of beautiful pencils per year, like polys, Holbeins, Luminance, Derwent Lightfast. I've been coloring for about 6 years and I have mostly high end pencils. I really don't feel the need to have 12 sets of $25 pencils I'll never use. Yes, Prismacolors were my first. And I love them. Buy a couple open stock for each and go with it!
This. I spent a LOT of money on MANY budget pencils when had I just saved I could have had what I love, Holbein and Luminance. I now have them both and my budgets are here when people visit and want to color. I wish I learned this sooner.
Appreciate you looking at these things from a new or different perspective. Don't worry about any haters! 🙃 Most people once they learn or are told something one way it's very hard for them to be open minded to new ideas.💡💡💡 Keep up the good work. 👍
It was interesting as far as you went.....I would like to see them preform on decent paper showing how they layer and how they blend together. The feel of a pencil and lay down of pigment is important but there are other considerations. Many professional artist will blend with mineral spirits an gamsal also blender pencils or burnish with white, would like to see that perhaps in your next video. And please use good paper as I would like to see them used on the support I would use ie acid free watercolor or 270gsm drawing paper. Thanks Necee:)
I love this, part II is going to be fun. I love comparisons, I think you should include Prismacolor, not because of oil balance, but just because they're so popular. Not my favorite, but I do think that it's a known factor and trying to figure out whether I'd like to buy another set would be easier by adding it to the comparison. Anything more expensive than Prismacolor quickly triggers my feelings that I'm not supposed to be touching those.
Prismacolor is more expensive than both of these outside of North America. I found that the Polychromos were worth it because they don't get used up very quickly.
I have purchased the Lyra pencils and they are, in my opinion as good as prismacolor, they must have a high ratio of wax in them because they are lovely and soft and 'buttery and I just love them ... so 'just budget oil-based pencils' is not actually the case. They're GREAT !!!
I am sorry but your demonstration,I’m not sure how valid it is,because you are using simple notebook paper that is not just thin,but has no texture or “tooth” at all. That’s not the kind of paper you use for any of these pencils. This is the same as copy paper. Believe or nit, the kind of paper you use is actually the most important factor on what results you get with these pencils. So, i’m sorry but this test says nothing.
#1 this is not copy paper textured paper. #2 some of our most loved coloring books have very poor quality paper in them. I.e. Amazon create space etc. #3 any test would be valid. Even if I tested them on the back of my shoe. You can Never know how a person intends on using any product. So as much as I appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion. I payed it forward to Again state mine. This demonstration was simply for those wanting to know the bare basics of how these pencils perform in a simple, non extensive situational setting.
@@DollarDiva99 Thank you for sharing this - I can't find a lot of useful information about Lyra around, and this shows them in use alongside other pencils. Much appreciated. ❤️ Also - this test is valid because all the factors but one are kept constant across the test. This is basic science from back in elementary/junior/primary school. You used the same paper, the same colours (as far as possible), the same heavy-to-light swatches, and the same person doing the colouring.
The derwent lightfast are easy to blend maybe because they have soft core. Like the Colleen oil based pencils.. how can you see the difference between oil and wax ?
I have Colleen also. The way i can feel and see difference is... Biggest thing is wax leaves a more shiney layer and doesn't take as much layers. It kinda just stops accepting layers after a while. There is also that oil usually has a more durable pencil core and wears down less quick.
Hi Necee, have you done a review on the Black Widow pencils? I heard of them today for the first time and users seem to love them. I’ve been powering up my pocket to get some Castle Art and then this Black Widow jumped right up into my face.
I have only a couple sets of the black widow pencils. I'm not really a fan. Partly because of the expensive price tag and second is they are not a unique pencil for the money you pay.
Thank you for doing this, but a question: does the paper matter that you lay the color down on? The paper you are using looks like Travelers Notebook paper.
No. Paper doesn't matter in this specific test. All we were looking for is results. Using the same type of paper regardless of type, helps obtain a balanced result.
Very informative video! Thanks so much for your insight. Does that stop sound have something to do with the tooth of the paper? Have you had a chance to swatch on Bristol or hot-pressed watercolor paper? I was shopping for my birthday present to myself and your video was a helpful… still haven’t made a decision. Thanks again for your videos. :) Blessings!
Thank you so much. Yes I have tried bristol vellum paper and it was horrible on my pencils bc my coloring style technique. I have a video on this. Title- this paper killed my prismas.
Buenas noches soy de Argentina . Me gusto mucho tu video. Me gusta los lapices lyra rembland policolor . Tambien tengo prismacolor y derwent Muchas gracias❤
Hi 👋 I'm a new subscriber. I just wanted to let you know that I love your personality and I really enjoyed watching your videos.☺️ I bought a set of 180 Shuttle Art color pencils and they look pretty much like the Start- joy. The pencils look the same, with a silver stripe on the bottom and they even have similar names and numbers. I was wondering if you know if they are made by the same company. I just don't want to buy another set if they're going to be the same thing. Thanks in advance. 😘😘😘
Thank you so much for watching. The shuttle art full color barrel Pencils are same as the Guanhui or wanshui oil Pencils. The Star Joy pencils are very different and better in my opinion nc they seem to be a more balanced ratio of both oil and wax. The shuttle art premium black barrel ones are the same as the Black Barrel brutfuner, Soucolor and kalour pencils.
This was very informative. I am asking myself more specific questions regarding my pencils and appreciating them for what they are not what I want them to be. Thank you Nece.
I couldn't agree more with everything you said and I think you are doing a fabulous job explaining it! I wish people would stop the wax vs oil based questions in colouring groups, it drives me absolutely nuts LOL
Pigments are mined and created from different sources and areas of the world. Within different pencil/paint/pastel companies geographic sources for pigments vary as well. Different ratios of oil and wax sometimes animal fats (Holbein color pencils, amazing!) and kaolin are varying within different pigments. Earth pigments like black, ochre, sienna, and umbers require different ratios of oil/wax kaolin than the blue, yellow, red, orange, green, and violet pigments which vary within themselves as far as ratios of oil/wax/clay. I have gone down the rabbit holes with pigments, paints, pencils, and pastels and have learned a lot of interesting facts. It has actually been helpful to my artwork because I understand more about the pigments, mediums, chemicals and resources used in making different art mediums. I don't know everything and like you said no one knows but the company what those ratios are. But what I understand from learning about pigments from oil paints is earth pigments dry faster. So that alone right there tells me a factor that could affect the process within pencil formulas. There are many different types of black pigments also. Carbon black ,lamp black, Mars black, Cassel Earth. "Natural pigments" has a lot of information on their website about pigments and they are responsive with questions and also knowledgeable in different areas besides oil paint. Also the "Dick Blick" art affiliated forum called "Wet Canvas" contains threads pertaining to different art mediums including colored pencils. I have learned a lot from reading through threads there and asking questions. Some of the people on there have chemistry/scientific level knowledge and experience. I hope this helps you to learn and understand more like it did for me going down all these rabbit holes! Enjoy your journey!
LOVE this!!! Thank you so much!!
Thank you for sharing your information with us. :)
Appreciate the comparisons. Very interesting. Also too, the paper makes a difference. Lyra, Faber Castell will tell you what paper their various products shine best on. I blend easily on the right paper with "the oils". Plus the "oils" have use with mineral spirits to look like an actual oil painting and such.
Adult coloring books can vary so I think "wax based" are probably a best buy. As you showed, no need for "specialty" items to do great quality work on that end.
I started in may of this year, and this video showed me that the lyra and de ever so famous polychromos are very a like (not the same, but very much a like). Here in brazil, the polychromos costs 3x the price of the lyra!!! Soon i will buy the lyra, and this video helped me make the final decision (i hope in the future, i will be able to buy the luminance)
You are so very correct 😊 So glad you found it helpful!
@Tatiana Freivogel oiiii, ainda não testei! Eu vi um video do Art Rodrigues que ele lançou ontem!!
Here in Australia the polychromas cost AU$357
You need to match your pencils to the right paper for that pencil. I, personally, don't feel that is the best paper to test pencils on. In my opinion certain pencils work best with certain paper. In certain color books one pencil may work much better than another kind.
Yep, I definitely agree with you about the paper you need to use to apply the pencils on. You shouldn’t use a normal notebook paper for this type of test because a notebook paper is too thin for layering colours and there is no tooth for the pigments to hold on too. If you are layering colours on top of each other you wouldn’t get much layers on and it would look and feel like you’ve burnished the colours.
Please, which paper works better with Polychromos? Thanks in advance
Oh boy, we don't like constructive criticism. Read the other comments, I'm not alone. I'm very well aware what paper is in those coloring books, most of them. But if you dova test especially with those type of high quality pencils, you should use a quality paper not a lined thin paper on a cheap pad. Sorry, I worked for colored pencils a lot and I know what paper means. And everyone knows oil based pencils behave completely differently than waxed based. Actually they all have both but in different proportion.
@@greekveteran2715 For oil based like Polychromos, a paper with more texture will work better, a vellum finish. Neenah has a nice one, Springhill has a little more texture. For wax based like Prismas, a smoother paper is good because you don't need ti layer as much, but still with a little texture. The backside of Neenah Vellum is smoother also the Strathmore Bristol Smooth.
@@judithf9297 Thank you very much! I really appriciate it! I recently got into coloured pencil drawing. Most info I found on the internet, was that the Facriano Artistico hotpress, is some of the best papers for Polychromos, so I got that one for now. It seems to work great as all people said!
The only downside, that some may find with that paper, is only the fact that it's not 100% white, it's colour is slightly cream, but I really like the fact that it's surface is hard and takes Faber Castell hard pencils like a dream!! Thanks again for all the info, I'll try more papers for sure!!
NeeCee I’m so very happy that you did this because I never cared nor understood the difference. I based my purchase on how the pencils felt going on the paper. As far as wax pencils go nothing compares to Prismacolor they’re in a league of their own. They’re sooo smooth and buttery so I never bothered to compare them to polychomos . I think that different pencils perform differently and they all have their place. Thank you for another great video.🥰
Definitely All TRUE! THX for watching ❤️
Prismas are Definitely in a league of their Own! ❤️💛💚💜🧡
every review is different - based on the personal style, the used paper, etc. - and at the end you should have one brand for details and natural colors (like Polychromos, Luminance, etc.) and one for larger areas, better blending and a different style of colorful (like prismacolor premier soft core). so - buy both and be happy ;-) the only thing with prismacolor and so many other brands - you can NOT buy separate pencils! and when your favourite used colors are empty you have to buy a whole new set - really bad choice of these companies for us - but good for their pockets ;-)
I love when you show us the comparison of these pencils. Can you do a comparison by coloring different things in the same picture with each comparison to show how the color and pencils come out differently in pictures?
Definitely 🧡💜💜💚💛❤️ Great idea
@@DollarDiva99 I second Shaytee B's vote! I would love to see how these pencils compare to each other on a coloring page. RN, I've got Prismas 72 set, Derwent Lightfast 12 set, and Arteza's Expert 120 set, but, I want to branch out and grab more pencils. I'm currently eyeing the Luminance 12 set or the Polychromos set of 24. Seeing how they perform side by side would be a great help in making my decision!
My opinion, to those who care, QUIT spending money on 15 sets of budget pencils. Save a year like I did and buy a set of beautiful pencils per year, like polys, Holbeins, Luminance, Derwent Lightfast.
I've been coloring for about 6 years and I have mostly high end pencils. I really don't feel the need to have 12 sets of $25 pencils I'll never use. Yes, Prismacolors were my first. And I love them. Buy a couple open stock for each and go with it!
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This. I spent a LOT of money on MANY budget pencils when had I just saved I could have had what I love, Holbein and Luminance. I now have them both and my budgets are here when people visit and want to color. I wish I learned this sooner.
Appreciate you looking at these things from a new or different perspective. Don't worry about any haters! 🙃 Most people once they learn or are told something one way it's very hard for them to be open minded to new ideas.💡💡💡 Keep up the good work. 👍
Thank you so much 💓
Hands down.... my favorite person to learn from! Thank you for the way you explain things!!!!!
Oh thank you so much for the beautiful complement 💜💛🧡❤️
It was interesting as far as you went.....I would like to see them preform on decent paper showing how they layer and how they blend together. The feel of a pencil and lay down of pigment is important but there are other considerations. Many professional artist will blend with mineral spirits an gamsal also blender pencils or burnish with white, would like to see that perhaps in your next video. And please use good paper as I would like to see them used on the support I would use ie acid free watercolor or 270gsm drawing paper. Thanks Necee:)
I love this, part II is going to be fun. I love comparisons, I think you should include Prismacolor, not because of oil balance, but just because they're so popular. Not my favorite, but I do think that it's a known factor and trying to figure out whether I'd like to buy another set would be easier by adding it to the comparison.
Anything more expensive than Prismacolor quickly triggers my feelings that I'm not supposed to be touching those.
YES. Awesome point.
Prismacolor is more expensive than both of these outside of North America. I found that the Polychromos were worth it because they don't get used up very quickly.
Nice review 👍
And again no miracles, good pencils costs a lot. Lyra just budget oil-based pencils
I have purchased the Lyra pencils and they are, in my opinion as good as prismacolor, they must have a high ratio of wax in them because they are lovely and soft and 'buttery and I just love them ... so 'just budget oil-based pencils' is not actually the case. They're GREAT !!!
I am sorry but your demonstration,I’m not sure how valid it is,because you are using simple notebook paper that is not just thin,but has no texture or “tooth” at all. That’s not the kind of paper you use for any of these pencils. This is the same as copy paper. Believe or nit, the kind of paper you use is actually the most important factor on what results you get with these pencils. So, i’m sorry but this test says nothing.
#1 this is not copy paper textured paper. #2 some of our most loved coloring books have very poor quality paper in them. I.e. Amazon create space etc. #3 any test would be valid. Even if I tested them on the back of my shoe. You can Never know how a person intends on using any product. So as much as I appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion. I payed it forward to Again state mine. This demonstration was simply for those wanting to know the bare basics of how these pencils perform in a simple, non extensive situational setting.
Thank you for sharing this. I was thinking about the paper. Glad someone mentioned it.
The test isn’t valid withou t the correct paper
@@DollarDiva99
Thank you for sharing this - I can't find a lot of useful information about Lyra around, and this shows them in use alongside other pencils. Much appreciated. ❤️
Also - this test is valid because all the factors but one are kept constant across the test. This is basic science from back in elementary/junior/primary school. You used the same paper, the same colours (as far as possible), the same heavy-to-light swatches, and the same person doing the colouring.
Which ones are easiest on your hands? I broke 2 fingers years back and now have to look for comfortable pencils.
The luminance pencils are the softest of them All. The prisma Pencils are great for my hand too.
The Luminance and Lightfast are my go to pencils right now.
Was fortunate the hubby bought the Lumis for me.
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The derwent lightfast are easy to blend maybe because they have soft core. Like the Colleen oil based pencils.. how can you see the difference between oil and wax ?
I have Colleen also. The way i can feel and see difference is... Biggest thing is wax leaves a more shiney layer and doesn't take as much layers. It kinda just stops accepting layers after a while. There is also that oil usually has a more durable pencil core and wears down less quick.
@@DollarDiva99 thank you for sharing your experience :) it s very interesting subject ! :)
Very interesting. I'm with you, I don't care if they are oil or wax based, I only care about how they perform and how they feel when I'm using them.
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Hi Necee, have you done a review on the Black Widow pencils? I heard of them today for the first time and users seem to love them. I’ve been powering up my pocket to get some Castle Art and then this Black Widow jumped right up into my face.
I have only a couple sets of the black widow pencils. I'm not really a fan. Partly because of the expensive price tag and second is they are not a unique pencil for the money you pay.
Your descriptions are great! Thank you.😁
This is very interesting video. We, Japanese, nobody cares about if the pencil is wax-based or oil-based. Thanks for the info.
🥰 thank you so much for watching!
Luminance is wax and oil based blend the pablo pencils are oil based
Thank you for doing this, but a question: does the paper matter that you lay the color down on? The paper you are using looks like Travelers Notebook paper.
No. Paper doesn't matter in this specific test. All we were looking for is results. Using the same type of paper regardless of type, helps obtain a balanced result.
@@DollarDiva99 Thank you for your quick informative response.
Very informative video! Thanks so much for your insight. Does that stop sound have something to do with the tooth of the paper? Have you had a chance to swatch on Bristol or hot-pressed watercolor paper? I was shopping for my birthday present to myself and your video was a helpful… still haven’t made a decision. Thanks again for your videos. :) Blessings!
Thank you so much. Yes I have tried bristol vellum paper and it was horrible on my pencils bc my coloring style technique. I have a video on this. Title- this paper killed my prismas.
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You are amazing and so are your helpful videos! Bless you. Thank you so very much!
I'd like Lyra but not cheap either guess start small
Exactly 😊
Great video new to your channel I've been wanting those lyra pencils thank you for sharing your opinion.
Thank you so much for watching 😊
Can't find 200 GSM paper?
First video that I watched from you ... Already a subscriber. Thanks 😊
Thank you so much ❤️
Buenas noches soy de Argentina . Me gusto mucho tu video. Me gusta los lapices lyra rembland policolor . Tambien tengo prismacolor y derwent Muchas gracias❤
You are just amazing, thanks a lot and a great kiss from Italy.
Thank you so much for watching 😊
Hi 👋
I'm a new subscriber.
I just wanted to let you know that I love your personality and I really enjoyed watching your videos.☺️
I bought a set of 180 Shuttle Art color pencils and they look pretty much like the Start- joy. The pencils look the same, with a silver stripe on the bottom and they even have similar names and numbers. I was wondering if you know if they are made by the same company. I just don't want to buy another set if they're going to be the same thing. Thanks in advance. 😘😘😘
Thank you so much for watching. The shuttle art full color barrel Pencils are same as the Guanhui or wanshui oil Pencils. The Star Joy pencils are very different and better in my opinion nc they seem to be a more balanced ratio of both oil and wax.
The shuttle art premium black barrel ones are the same as the Black Barrel brutfuner, Soucolor and kalour pencils.
@@DollarDiva99 Thank you so much for the information. ☺️
Thanks 👍
Titbit both are made in Germany in Nürnberg.
Great video! When I was getting started, I ordered a couple of open stock to try out. I like them all! The colorsoft are my least fav.
Awesome. Thank you so much for watching 😊
This was very informative. I am asking myself more specific questions regarding my pencils and appreciating them for what they are not what I want them to be. Thank you Nece.
WOW... Great Comment. Love that 😍
Count me in, with you current “Lucy” moment adventure! 😂
Thank you for your wonderful videos! You’re such a color nerd!
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I know Right 😁🤓🤑 💚💙💜🧡❤️💛 Thank you so much for watching 😊
Very good video. Thank you.
Thank you so much for watching ❤️
Thanks for the great info.
Thank you so much for watching 😊
Very informative 💞
Thank You for watching ❤️
I couldn't agree more with everything you said and I think you are doing a fabulous job explaining it! I wish people would stop the wax vs oil based questions in colouring groups, it drives me absolutely nuts LOL
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You just illustrated beautifully why I LOVE Luminance more than all of them
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Nice but could be less wordy?
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