That part of the dev from the cycle explaining how they did it, honestly blew my mind. If I got a kit back after dying to a cheater that gets banned I would actually play tarkov.
@@CM86x They dont ban 1000s per day, there are not enough players totla for that and their latest list proves this 1000s per day is an over exaggeration
@@jubb1984 Yeah, I think they just used a technicality to try and show positive changes from their end. Like maybe they banned over 1k people two days in a row and then posted that. Not a lie, but naturally the first couple of days are going to be when the most people are banned at once.
Sounds like you just have a skill issue. Cheating is an issue in Tarkov, but if you stop auto selecting servers, you'd notice. A massive drop. Plus, most people die to players that are genuinely better, not cheaters. They just can't fathom that there are better players in the game. And you can say "well that's just your experience." True, but so is "cheating being rampant" for people who say it is truly rampant. Don't get me wrong, it's bad but not as bad as people say it is. Goat says 60% of the games he got in, had cheaters, when he didn't have that good of data to say so. I'd argue 40% is more accurate and 60% is people that don't know how to identify cheaters, being salty because they got outplayed. I've been playing for 5 wipes and can confidently say I've ran into maybe 6-7 cheaters the entire time based off my game knowledge. And everyone I play with can say they maybe run into 1-2 cheaters every few weeks. At the end of the day, my point is, it's bad but not as bad as people make it out to be. If you think it's an issue for you, select one server to play on and you'll rarely run into them.
Cheating always takes away from where it's being done. Cheating in Tarkov harms Tarkov. Cheating in gaming takes away from gaming. Cheating in sports takes away from those sports, and there are some sports nobody watches anymore because cheating has become so rampant. Cheating in politics (accepting bribes, corruption, insider trading) hurts everybody. Even if someone is cheating in your favor, you shouldn't tolerate it, because cheating makes things worse. Always.
Cheating online has been around since Quake. Aim bots have always been an issue with pvp. And now there are so many cheaters it isn't worth playing these games.
@@monikaszalkowska9419 I mean, is it cheating if there's no player on the other end, who is intended by the developers to be equivalent to you in capability, to challenge you in the game? In other words, if it's not a multiplayer experience there can't be an unfair advantage because you decide what is fair. It may not be the game play experience the developers intended for you, but you are the only one missing out on that experience if you decide to cheat. Some games include their own cheats because it's fun and adds replayability to stuff (GTA, Doom, etc.). There is a large difference between turning on cheats included as a "feature" for people who have exhausted a game play loop in a single player game, and literally writing/running code intended to disrupt an established multiplayer game play loop to provide unfair advantages that allow a subpar player to make a profit on items earned with legit players' time. If you can sell those items back to the community for real money - that's real incentive to keep cheating regardless of any obstacle presented. Legal included. It truly is a dumpster fire of a person that does this kind of stuff. Angry 15 year old boys who die and install hacks from a shady forum somewhere are just the beginning of the cheating problem in Tarkov. It really has a criminal component to it that BSG just clearly has no idea how to deal with.
As an avid player of The Cycle: Frontier, the community response in your video is spot on. Season 1 was a pretty rough experience with MULTIPLE cheater deaths per day. It was literally unplayable and caused a quick downfall for the game. However since they focused on it, the cheating problem FEELS virtually non-existent. Previously I was getting 3-5 cheaters per day, now I don't even see 3 per month. They really did a phenomenal job at combating cheaters. Props to Yager for that.
@@lastwymsi yeah, they set up a "trusted lobby' system. So if your account on Steam/Epic has ever been flagged for cheating, you're put into untrusted lobbies which have a higher chance of coming across someone who is cheating. But if you've never had an issue, and have a decent account history then you're automatically in trusted lobbies. I'm not 100% sure exactly how it works, but it's a night and day difference from when the game released lol. They extended Season 2 by 60 days, and there's only 16 days left until Season 3 right now. But i've probably only seen a total of about 8 cheaters, and I play daily. I can run exotic gear without fear of cheaters teleporting onto me or shooting me through a mountain!
@@alexzhang9468 the current state of the playerbase isn't great right now, I will agree. But Tarkov didn't get popular like it is now until YEARS after it released. The Cycle released in June so I think it has TONS of room to grow! It is 100% worth playing still. They are still constantly working on the game.
@@sethsends i know a dude who makes & sells cheats for GTAV/RDO and his literal remark is that he makes more money than they were offering to hire people to fix the issues that he actively exploited, and that finding exploits to sell is waaaay easier than preventing exploits AND banning cheaters. You see - using an exploit is easy because you only need to find the one method to make the exploit work in your favor. Patching an exploit is hard because you have to both RECOGNIZE the exploit AND patch all the ways in which it COULD BE exploited to work in someone's favor. And this, btw, has to be done WHILE ACTIVELY BANNING PEOPLE using the cheat - which is a time-consuming and manual issue.
@@nsahandler It's almost as if people choose easy street by default. "Getting paid more" is a pretty good thing all the time, wh*res have been profiting for years on easy street. Now they occupy their time with Twitch - so nothing changed. And, if all were wh*res, then you wouldn't need engineers or skilled workers anywhere, because you'd just coom all day on easy street. Seems like a solution... I guess.
@@propeller___ He's forcing BSG to do seomthing. And it works, so why not ? Advertising stuff you tell ppl it will be useless soon... not very motivating.
Note to not only g0at but the viewers: Don't just throw out storage drives containing data, even if it seems unrecoverable. Most times it CAN still be recovered if you know what you're doing, and more importantly, there are scalpers in the world on the other end of electronic landfills who definitely know what they're doing. Your data isn't erased just because you throw it in the trash can. It is only waiting to be found.
While multiplayer FPS shooters may not typically be my cup of tea, the ongoing drama surrounding cheating in Tarkov has certainly caught my attention and left me eager to see how this complex issue will continue to unfold.
It's rampant in near all shooters that are popular. The difference is the cheating communities and how they hide it. Also enforcement on the dev end. Fun fact, the same cheats released on day one of Sea of Thieves have not been updated and still work today. Some devs just don't give a shit. Many streamers keep ESP players around just for this.
It's not just Tarkov, its virtually every shooter. It's the community of 'Get Good' that keeps enabling the cheaters by denying the existence of the problem.
The fact that you shared your experiences of them hacking you and messing up your drives helps show people just how shady these cheat makers are. And I'm sure it could have been worse!
Shady? That's like saying a drug dealer is shady , You as the consumer should KNOW what your getting into in advance and not be shocked when someone pulls a gun on you and steals your money. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Any one who's PC gets compromised as a result of using cheats deserves it, if you do it for science ...on your MAIN pc and you're to stupid to completely wipe everything afterwards or do it in a virtual environment from the start , well you deserve the consequences. Do I respect his crusade against cheaters, absolutely. Do I feel bad for him that his rig got fried , not one bit. If that's all they did, he should consider himself lucky. Carrying on and making more videos after they've already shown that they know exactly who he is...well, that falls right back into the camp of incompetency. We live in a world where the scariest criminals wield keyboards not AKs
@@driklol the thing is, theres still mainstream "this is just a game" way of thinking which prevent people to view these cheat provider (hackers) as shady and continue on using their ilegal service even tho they are as shady as them drug dealers
Yeah it's like they are literal criminals. Not all of them of course. The government won't stop cheating because it's just video games, not illegal, yet many hackers or cheaters will do illegal things towards others who have interfered with them in any way, like they are some sort of mafia.
@@ronnie9379 I believe China has an official task force (like some sort of fbi type agency) solely for the purpose of comabting these cheat companies and stuff. It affects their economy pretty heavily.
I was nervous this was gonna happen to you. So sorry my man. Of course, still so proud you stood up for what was right despite it putting a big target on your head. Next time of course, you'll be sure to REALLY clean up after dealing with those dirty cheaters.
imagine a game that bricks your computer if you cheat, game devs have the same access, now that would be awesome obviously a slightly ethical gray area but id try it whatever the genre was
@t395delta there would have to be an out of this world detection system though because if you brick a pc falsely that's a lot of money you have to make up. Also many people just wouldn't play the game in fear of that
@@t395delta , Sony tried to do something similar with pirates by adding root-kits to their music CDs, to prevent people from ripping them. What ensued, was a huge security problem for the entire world, since everyone was getting their computers infected with a dangerous root-kit, and mass lawsuits for Sony. Remember: hell is full of people with "good intentions".
15:13 Bruh, you have shined more light on the problem than anyone else in the community, and you can't imagine how grateful I am for your actions. We may enter new era of Tarkov, the one where the game will live for years with little to no cheaters present, and it's in the biggest part your work. Thank you 💕 PS Do you think few drives was a good price for taking down one of the most prominent cheats there was? ;)
Did you forget ? This is BSG we are talking about. He literally copy pasted his reddit post from 3 years ago. He did the same thing he's doing 3 years ago.
cheating will never cease to exist its technically impossible to stop, its more of a societal problem because from your birth you see that the only people who get somewhere in this god forsaken world is the ones who cheat lie and deceive, some people translate it into gaming other into business, sport and everyday life we're living in hell honor and justice is no longer a desired trait, self improvement is no longer worth to chase since technology does it for you with no effort serfs shouldn't have access to the internet
@@alexzhang9468player count has nothing to do with identifying what loot a player had during the death by a certain player and then giving it back lmao.
@@alexzhang9468 you can get your insurance back based on attachements they took of your gun but you think they couldnt give you a kit back you lost to a cheater because of the playerbase? do you really think they do that manually and it would be hard to set it up when they already have the insurance system working lol
But there are few games that have a bigger problem then tarkov. It's just THE prime example atm what happens when you don't do enough. Lots of other games turned it around. Warzone, Cycle etc....
Coming from a dev, thank you. this kind of stuff would require us to have an entire community relations team member to properly explain to a player base. What you do isn't easy, and we value it greatly. Thank you. Keep making good content like this. You will not be a fad, and you'll be a long-standing quality content creator for this site.
Love that The Cycle: Frontier got not just a mention but interviews. The dev team over there has been really great even when criticisms of the game of been varying and sometimes extreme. I have always enjoyed the game and can feel the kind of experience that the devs are trying to craft. I love the environment and backstory of the Frontier, and really hope they expand on the lore, backstory and game mechanic-wise. Go play it! It's fucking free!
I've played World of Warcraft since the 7th grade, I'm 29 now. I've never heard of a single cheater in that game. I never came across a cheater, it was never a topic or subject in the game. It's been one of if not the most popular game for the last two decades. I wonder how they did it?
I still miss the old cycle. Back before it was a Tarkov clone it was a movement shooter battle royale with pvpve. No fall damage and custom abilities made it amazing.
Those interviews actually really upset me, because cheaters (and many other things) are still a huge issue in that game, and have been since the betas. Yager simply goes out of their way to ban or harass ANYONE with criticism, so if you're not paying attention it can look like there isn't any. If you keep refreshing comments on an update post, you'll see literally hundreds of reasonable complaints that disappear within a few minutes. I've been following The Cycle for a while, hoping it'll get better, but every patch or update is always exactly the opposite of what people ask for. I recently got another ban for asking why they buffed high tier weapons and nerfed low tier ones for the umpteenth time. I think they do it out of spite at this point.
I've been saying for 2 years now that the cheating on tarkov was bad. I stopped playing 2 years ago because of it and nobody believed it. Finally some vindication. We need more videos like this.
Last played about a year ago, I never had much fun questing but gunfights on factory were the shit. Probably because there's not much worth cheating over on that map. Reserve though was a mess
Most people aren't dying to cheaters, most people are dying because they suck. I hit level 67 last wipe and im currently 57, kappa'd both times. Yes, i'm sure there are the amount of cheaters that Goat claims in his videos, but they aren't rage hackers, you aren't dying because of them. You are dying because...well...first sentence.
Wrong. I'm an OG player. Been on since alpha. I actually did the same thing goat did back in January and spent a month using cheats to hunt cheaters because it's gotten insane. Goats estimated are low because he doesn't know what to look for until he found the wiggle. In several hundred raids in every single match there are cheaters. I've seen 2 raids with no cheaters, several with everyone cheating and most raids there are 2 to 6 cheaters not counting squads. Most aren't rage hacking but they all win and all have a heavy advantage which is also why you can't find rare items because they rush them. The only ones at this point to make the statements you have are the ones cheating and even if they were actually trying to avoid other players they are ruining the game in so many other ways. Shame because I'm an OG alpha player and I would have loved to see this game go gold but its dead. It cheaters and suckers left and if they can't fix it fast tarkov is over. I'm glad I got to play it back in the day before the streamers brought too much attention to it and the COD players and hackers flooded it. Try again but odds are you are either ignorant of the situation or cheat or buy from RMTers. At least the cycle was listening instead of doing ban waves when they need more money followed by a sale so the cheaters can buy back in.
@@astainlessnoyb1038 lmao? I rush the high tier loot spawns. I have 170m cash now. Already seen the light keeper. BAD = BAD. Skill issue for sure. Playing since alpha doesn't mean shit, the game has changed a fuck ton.
I appreciate the cycle shoutout. I've seen the progress the game has been making and I really hope people come back to see it for themselves for season 3 on the 29th. You're doing some really stellar work on this journey, and I wish you and the Tarkov community the best of luck getting some real action from BSG.
The issue with the cycle is there is little to zero progression, theres little to zero reason to kill pve mobs, theres not much of a point of the game sadly, it has potential.
@@K9Tvz Other than you know.. needing their body parts to craft better armor and upgrade your room for its better perks, but yeah, "little" progression. Each faction has lengthy story quest chains and better tiers of gear as you rank them up. But yeah. "Little" progression. How about instead of just running up to an NPC and spamming buttons you instead actually read their dialogue and get some understanding about the universe you're playing in? The game is still new and has a solid amount of content that just keeps getting added too.
@@devious00 all of that is little to no progression sadly, and pretty pointless, other than that the cycle is honestly a really good game, just needs more end game progression with a purpose
just a new era of new gen hack , like drugs or cartel in mexico , look what happen now after Sinalloa death; what a joke; that man just made money with youtube :/
Private servers was the best thing we ever had for any FPS. Once they were taken away so they could run games as subscriptions, they cheating exploded. Sever admins were able to run scripts, and ban cheaters right away. None of the stupid junk of waiting weeks.
The moment when that dev is explaining the swiss cheese model, and then you're like "that's the swiss cheese model". Chef's kiss. It's stopped a lot of airplanes from falling out the the sky, great to see it implemented in other industries.
Call your ISP asap and change your IP address. Lock down your credit as well. Your identity is 100% out there now and I would not trust them to not use it.
This. This x1000000 Lock your credit report too and check your home tax records. Not joking. If they want to make it personal. They can. I really wish g0at used better security to do this investigation.
You are correct. Problem is. Copyright infringement is a federal crime. Cheating is not. Until the government gets involved in a real way, cheating will never be punished, and therefor, will continue on.
@@supermanlift what you're suggesting is a violation of one's privacy Governments are already far too much involved in the everymans life, go be a fed shill somewhere else
I've been watching you for a few months thanks to your shorts, i am so happy the video blew up. You deserve it man thank you for holding the community above bsg.
as a tarkov player i felt that difference the moment that cheat sub HQ or even main HQ went down. suddenly it appeared i was good at the game haha. in all seriousness us tarkov players can't thank you enough for what you have done and the effort you have put into these videos and even putting your rep on the line by calling out BSG. so thankful there are people like you who are willing to stand up to BSG because uhhhh i don't think that reporting the player was cutting it haha.
I love the cycle frontier its devs take criticism great and understand the players and know what the game needs. I'm really hoping for the game to grow in popularity with the release of season 3. I believe that the only thing the cycle needs is a larger player count to fill the lobbies.
I have never played Tarkov, but I imagine that if all the veteran players got their loot back every time a cheater (that killed them at some point) was banned, then they would get a lot of loot.
And by not having played it you are blissfully unaware that loot space is premium... and BSG charges for more of it but still limits it pretty hard even after selling you more of it.
The Cycle's "Get Your Kit Back" when a cheater gets banned would be completely game changing if Tarkov had it. Especially when you would get a notif when they got banned. We would still love to get a replay theater feature.
Man, I wish the Cycle Frontier devs all the best. They did an amazing job. I hope The Cycle Frontier will get the increase in players that 1000% deserves. Would also be a clear message to all the other developers. Crush the cheaters and your game will thrive.
The deserved bit is not quite the right thing to say. For example I have tried the game in the betas and when it launched and found I didn't like the gunplay and the gear system. No amount of success against cheaters means they deserve me revisiting the game. The primary motivator is how good the game is, doing better than others against cheaters is a bonus. Also perception is important. You can say "I never see cheaters in EFT" and people will just say they are all just avoiding you, that's how bad it is, but that for some reason never comes across the minds for other games. They could be avoiding you just as much and it be just as bad for all we know, however the difference in the game is what changes the perception. If there is an ESP cheater in your EFT match then the good loot is gone and that's that. In the cycle the goot loot gets taken by the ESP user.... And it's back again.
@@HellDuke- Man, that was a very long way to say "I have a contrarian take." If the devs have crushed cheating prospects in a matter of 6 months to a game that was littered with cheating, (The Cycle became a meme very quickly) they deserve every possible amount of player increase. You literally cemented your point with "Ill never return, I don't like the loot/inventory system, WHETHER THEY DESERVE NEW PLAYERS IS SUBJECTIVE" stfu
im pretty sure the cheat dev got arrested for not paying taxes in China. Give it a week some one will take their place im sure. Way to much money to be made by these criminals
Lol, imagine being a hacker, and boot nuking Goat, then getting arrested, and Goat is still operating and helping to fix the sore loser problem. Great video Goat.
The issue with BSG and Tarkov is I doubt they expected Tarkov to become so popular so quick in the recent years. But what BSG has failed to do was improve the infrastructure and capitalize the huge spike of popularity to make the game better by hiring more devs and/or improve their game engine. BSG decided to just slap a "Anti-Cheat program" and call it a day. Just like what this video explained they haven't hired more people for their team to be a designated team to combat the cheaters. BSG instead, just focused on updating the game, which is good in hindsight but these updates they keep putting out, keep having issues, i.e. audio bugs, invisible PMC's, DESYNC, etc. BSG ignores the constructive criticism they get until a huge bandwagon of people step in and tell BSG to do something, and then BSG does something about it. I used to love Tarkov, played it ever since 2018, but these past few years it's just been a complete disaster and gOat's previous video addressing and proving how bad cheating really is was the last straw for me. I wish things were different, I really hope these types of videos give BSG the wakeup call they need and change their ways on how they conduct things, but only time will tell.
Yeah... BUT it was popular for 4 years, in 2019 they already been popular enough to need BattleEye and cheaters existed even before then... so it was popular for long time, and it had issues with cheater for long time... So I think if they really wanted they could have done something about it... they haven't done much about it, or enough, or right things... So basically I don't buy that "they didn't expect"... sure 6 years ago maybe they didn't expect, but 4 years ago they not only expected, it was already de-facto very popular popular and very infested by cheats. And they as a company had enough cash to actually do something about it. And I am not making any conspiracy theories here - I ma just saying - anyone thinking that are like 4 years late to EFT. I guess maybe for somebody who found out about the game a year ago and started playing recently this may look like this. But after 5 years playing it I can assure you - everyone who were playing or working on EFT seen it coming for long time.
@@lp9280 this. Mental gymnastics just to try to rationalize a company choosing to do very little to hinder the skid community that makes them a solid 40USD minimum if they buy new accounts after they get ghosted Copium is in high demand
I really love the effort you're putting into trying to investigate and help solve this issue, going as far as to hold interviews with other game developers to get their first-hand experience with the problem. I guess I could say you're the GOAT... :D
Chad Cycle: **banned cheaters, gives the players with compensation** Beta Tarkov: **letting the hackers run, try to sue SPT, still kicking their balls**
The problem here is BSG will most definitely see this video as some form or another of 'disloyalty'. And mind you, Yager is taking advantage of this situation too. Notice how they made a huge UA-cam marketing push, including 2 minute unskippable mid-rolls on EFT-related content, all around the same time g0at's wiggle video dropped? That's because they knew blood was in the water and they could try and sieve off some disenfranchised Tarkov players. And now this? Making themselves super available to g0at _specifically_ for interviews? It's because they want to use the wiggle situation with EFT as essentially a shakedown to then advertise the crap out of their game TCF. Because they know for a fact most EFT players that are interested in it's future are watching this whole shit show and how it goes down. Everything about this just feels a little too slimy for me now, man. I hope for nothing but the best for Escape From Tarkov & The Cycle: Frontiers. But this video g0at? It's a little... erm... gross? Idk how i phrase it properly, it just feels dirty. Edit: Just wanna make it clear that i've nevber played either of these games, but had considered off and on for years EFT. And this entire comment from me just a result of me trying to put myself into a player's shoes wether in EFT or TCF, also trying to put myself in the shoes of the Developers/CEO of BSG & Yager, and thinking about it as they would. My fear is, what was originally being made by a passionate fan (g0at) a video to try and show how bad the cheating in EFT has gotten, and how can/should we fix it? IS now turning into a corporate dick-sizing content between Yager and BSG, and i just can't see this ending the way any of us down on the ground floor, in a positive manner.
I always find it funny how some random Russian in his basement can identify one random guy about of millions with nothing but circumstantial evidence, install a root kit and make it survive a wipe then modify the firmware of 3 presumably diffrent devices and destroy them, meanwhile multy million dollar companies with industry leading talent can't guess that a 2h old account with 12KD isn't legit.
I hope cheaters now think twice about using a program that just hands over their computer to someone else. Maybe the knowledge that cheating is leaving them vulnerable in so many different ways will have a positive impact on beginning to curb the problem. Thank you, g0at. You are the man.
Very happy to see The Cycle get some coverage! I've been wanting to make a video about The Cycle Vs. Tarkov because of how frustrating Tarkov has become with all it's problems. Unfortunately I don't really have experience making vids, so it likely wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as this one. Basically to anyone reading this, if you are sick of Tarkov, take a break and try The Cycle when it wipes (for the last mandatory time) on the 29th.
The cycle has a awful cheating problem ur 100% gonna get a cheater in ur lobby every game unless u pay $ on the free to play game to get trusted lobbies lol
Started in the 2nd season and have only once encountered a cheater and I only knew after I got the gear package. It wasn't an obvious cheater as well, looked like a legit player imho. But interestingly, what they brought up regarding loby assigning: I have a suspicion if you are more aggressive you get assigned to more aggressive loby (so if you'resuspected of cheating, high kd ratio then maybe loby is adjusted). Since I mostly focus on pve I've noticed the same on most of my opponents. Not for my friend though 🤣 when joining a party with him - then we're just bullet magnets. Everyone is so aggressive then. Either way cheating hasn't been a concern in cycle in recent times and has been a good experience 👌
@@AnsisCers There are trusted and untrusted lobbies. There are also different skill tier buckets that players are matched in. It also depends on squad size
The Cycle seems to have a different problem though? Unlike Tarkov end game gear players are just untouchable for newbies making the game decidedly unfun and one-sided for newcomers.
Apreciate the Love for The Cycle dude. I love this game with a passion and it deserves so much more. Hope to run some raids with you on Fortuna 3 Homie, love to show you around!
You probably didn’t have to throw out the drives. The boot partition may have been broken/removed, but they were probably still perfectly functional and you’d be able to put them in another device, get the data off, and then put them back in your PC and reinstall Windows.
There are ways to actually corrupt disk firmwares to the point that the drive won’t identify correctly or at all on the bus and then you are basically gone. If you have an image of the firmware, an hot air station and enough know-how to reflash the chip directly you could get the drive back but it’s usually not worth it
He referenced multiple drives not working. It’s obviously not just a boot partition issue if that’s the case. They probably ran a heavy write program to eat through the drive’s usable life asap. It’s a very common way to destroy evidence remotely.
If it took a video from a passionate content creator to bring any real-and nearly immediate-change to this community it just makes me wonder whether BSG has been operating in good faith up to this point.
Man... You ARE a hero , I played enourmous number of raids and I found FAR LESS cheaters... Thanks to you, to going deeper on this shit , to all ur work, ur balls to do what you did... I dont know very well to express my ideas in english but I wish you get it. T H A N K Y O U seriously. You are truly the GOAT. Keep the amazing work you are doing. edit; aw shit .. that was a huge mistake , to not wiping ur entire computer after using this shit. FUCK!.. im sorry , a boot nuke... :( :(
I’ll be honest, this video served very well as an ad for Cycle Frontier lol. A similar game to tarkov where the PLAYERS described the cheating issue as “annihilated”. Seems pretty compelling to me
I stand by what I said as I was there when it was bad and I was there when it was fixed, I sure as hell hope this game thrives during season 3 because it's a GOOD game
as someone who is late to this story (was on vacation for a month haha) and a avid tarkov fan i feel like the final part where the cheat was taken down deserves it's own video and recognition. not just an 'oh yeah'. otherwise great videos.
I LOVE THIS. I am glad that the cycle is getting more attention, I hope the game comes back in the new season and I was very happy that they banned cheaters so swiftly. Season 1 was bad, but they changed the outcome very quick.
I am no Escape from Tarkov player, but your video about cheating got me to dive deeper into the topic and I found out, that there a ton of cheats, for so many different titels out there. It is a business as you said. I wasn't aware of that! I do hope, that you are bringing more light to the cheating issue and therefore giving the countermeasures like battleye more of a push. Thank you!
Thanks for the shout out to The Cycle: Frontier. It's a fantastic game that deserves the positive attention for what they've done. I really hope EFT gets the help it needs. Even though I don't play it, the game serves as a great alternative for people who want that experience. I encourage EFT vets to try out the cycle and enjoy themselves even if it's not your main game.
I personally would love to see an in-depth psychology concearning the minds of a cheater. So far It's baffling to me why anyone would ever cheat but clearly people are and what is it specifically that makes them wanna do it.
RMT (real money trade) is one of the reasons for using cheats, they farm gear more effectively with cheats and sell them for real money on their website Also not being good enough / caring too much / having an oversized ego makes people cheat cause they simply don't want to be the ones that loses
I don´t even play Tarkov and these is fascinating, i watch Lyandmark from time to time because i just like seing Tarjov despite not playing it, and it was hilarious making him strap a webcam to his head to show he doesn´t cheat. The proportions "The Video" as reached is trully the bigest, most influencial and most controversial case in the videogame industry for years and years for sure
The fact that people knew so little about cheating in games and that their reaction to your video has been cataclysmic says a lot about how educated the people really are about how long this stuff's been around... Thank you for bringing this to light kind sir, terribly sorry to hear about what happened to you man
@@thelifeofsantiii The cheating community was and still is a part of tarkovs community so they are influencing other ppls opinion after all as you see when cheating is the topic
Nothing beats the amount of stupid takes i watched, there is thia guy who thinks all cheater houses are part of some grand conspiracy to bring grand amounts of grofit to game companies.
Nothing but S tier content, thank you g0at! I love Tarkov and an improvement in anti cheat and focus on that aspect of the game would bring me so much joy. It’s nice to see content creators bust their asses for cool stuff like this that helps the players. BSG needs feedback from its community and it’s sick to see people like you trying to give us a voice.
Honestly, asking the Dev's from Cycle Frontier how they combat the cheaters in their game, is a bit of a niche point. Mostly because the more popular the game, the more the hacking community will want to create the hacks that by pass said anti-cheat for the game. on avg, if you look at the player count of Cycle Frontier, its a bit of a dying game... There isn't much interest in the game for the hackers to spend their time making hacks for it. The hacking community is there to make money, the more popular the game, the more they profit for making cheats. They aren't going to waste their time (a majority of the good ones) making cheats work in a game with no return value of people buying it. When he said they sorta "solved it" or on the "winning" side, its more because its not a very popular game, where they want to waste their time on it, there is no real money for them to make. They had alot of hackers at the beginning because the hype around the game was high. It started off with alot of players, so they wanted to make hacks to make money, now the player base has died off. They wont waste their time, other than the odd cheat developers, or your individual hackers. Perhaps if you can, try to speak to a dev team where the game is popular ala EFT...?
This was a very good video g0at. You make a great journalist and tbh I would like to see more videos like this when it comes to the gaming community. Getting this kind of transparency is not common nowadays.
I have many issues with anti cheat software coming from a security standpoint. It's great if it's server sided, but I am absolutely not a fan of the client side ones you have to download. Like, why would I want to have/download a kernel level backdoor with the utmost authority over my PC at all times to run through my system doing whatever it wants when it wants and without any permission or say so from me/you whatsoever. Also, If the anti cheat company goes rouge or gets compromised... Just imagine all of the computers that can get compromised with the highest level of permission you can get. (We've already seen the genshin impact anti cheat get used to turn off a systems antivirus.) Not to mention that a file you may deem non malicious may be deemed malicious by whoever controls the anti cheat. It's up to them to decide. (Understandable, but it could/can open the door for abuse.) And if that isn't bad enough, cheat software can operate at the same level with the same permissions and spoof itself to look like something innocent or potentially inject itself into a process that the anti cheat wouldn't want to kill. (This is why server sided anti cheat is better in my opinion) Also, if the anti cheat devs happen to be lazy, if you try to play the game using literally anything other than a windows system, you're deemed a cheater and banned or you just aren't allowed to play the game. (Looking at you Rainbow six siege & Vrchat. I could list more but I've typed for long enough.) The truth is, is that the anti cheat devs don't have what's best for your PC security in mind. They only care about the game and the games files. Not yours. AND don't even get me started with the god knows how many 0day vulnerabilities that may exist in the private/proprietary anti cheat software and are being exploited right now that all of the devs and security experts missed or don't see that won't be fixed. And If one gets discovered, it'll take probably a month or so to patch or fix. (Just to have a different exploit be used and not be found for god knows how long. Repeating the cycle.)
DAMN!!! He is actually THE GOAT, im so impressed with these videos. Even tho the last vid made me loose interest in Tarkov, i gotta say, keep em coming g0at, U gotta sub 4 life from me with the last 3 vids
Never played Tarkov but I work in IT and do some game development as a hobby and this entire story has been fascinating to follow. Thank you for doing these videos and please keep up the amazing work.
What's really sad is there's cheaters even in co-op only games. If they can get away with it, they will. These people are just so fucked up in the head they're fine with ruining the gaming experience of other players even when they're on the same team as them.
Bro... The video compares a game that struggles to keep 2k active players to a game that does 100k+ easily. Cycle Frontiers anticheat system is not any better, infact its probably worse. It's just that the game is dead, gets barely any content and cheaters have moved on XD
@@Hawks282 It's not a convenient argument, it's the truth. Out of all the major online fps' that are out there, and he talks about the one game no ones heard of. Why didn't he compare tarkovs cheating to warzone, or pubg, or fortnite, or battlefield, or the plethora of other online fps' that compare in scope to tarkov? Yeah the reason is because those games are also insanely full of cheaters, and they aren't doing any better than tarkov. It's insanely obvious to any logical person, that the larger the player base and the greater the popularity of the game, the more cheats are going to be present, and the better the cheat devs are going to be at sidestepping anticheat devices and methods. But if you want to stick your head in the sand and la la la la la away any logical argument, then ok.
I dont fully trust that the drives were fully fried. even if they wiped firmware, you can re-flash it and it would have been a whole lot cheaper and time effective to do. There's tons of data recovery options. Even if they did specifically a "boot nuke" the drives could be reformatted. This discounts the possibility of a firmware hack, but those are very specific and borderline impossible especially for some goofy cheat developers who never had physical access to your drives.
I use a comparison to explain to companies what a hacker does to a game. A hacker is basically a car thief, Who instead of taking the car, Takes control of the car and you get taken for a ride whenever they feel like because the car manufacturers, didn't add a key requirement for starting it. My purchase is worthless until it's secure.
Tarkov needs a offline/co-op only progression PMC. It will let people actually learn the game and just mess around with their friends on top of augmenting what you can do as far as creator content goes. All the while still giving those who want the traditional Tarkov PVP experience the seasonal wipes every X months and supplementing those wipes with a flow of fresh noobie meat.
@@Keiser-h4z Ah a "it's supposed to be hardcore" person. The game would reach a larger player base with some basic QoL changes. It can still be difficult and not turn people away.
@@92Jdmsupra i don't want more people, i already see the difference when big streamer from other game were not on it, now every dude is running around like a meth addict kid
From one Goat to another, I'm glad this conversation is being made and talked about not only for Tarkov, but in general for game developers. Being transparent and open with the community makes games better, including dealing with cheaters.
That part of the dev from the cycle explaining how they did it, honestly blew my mind. If I got a kit back after dying to a cheater that gets banned I would actually play tarkov.
Its quite genius really, haven't seen any game implementing such a feature.
Got me interested in the game tbh xD
@@CM86x They dont ban 1000s per day, there are not enough players totla for that and their latest list proves this
1000s per day is an over exaggeration
@@jubb1984 Yeah, I think they just used a technicality to try and show positive changes from their end. Like maybe they banned over 1k people two days in a row and then posted that. Not a lie, but naturally the first couple of days are going to be when the most people are banned at once.
Sounds like you just have a skill issue. Cheating is an issue in Tarkov, but if you stop auto selecting servers, you'd notice. A massive drop. Plus, most people die to players that are genuinely better, not cheaters. They just can't fathom that there are better players in the game.
And you can say "well that's just your experience." True, but so is "cheating being rampant" for people who say it is truly rampant. Don't get me wrong, it's bad but not as bad as people say it is. Goat says 60% of the games he got in, had cheaters, when he didn't have that good of data to say so. I'd argue 40% is more accurate and 60% is people that don't know how to identify cheaters, being salty because they got outplayed. I've been playing for 5 wipes and can confidently say I've ran into maybe 6-7 cheaters the entire time based off my game knowledge. And everyone I play with can say they maybe run into 1-2 cheaters every few weeks.
At the end of the day, my point is, it's bad but not as bad as people make it out to be. If you think it's an issue for you, select one server to play on and you'll rarely run into them.
@@TOXIC-jq3ry my guy, I’m not reading a word. Sounds like a skill issue.
Cheating is taking away from what gaming is in a major way, and I'm really happy you're making these videos about it.
Cheating always takes away from where it's being done. Cheating in Tarkov harms Tarkov. Cheating in gaming takes away from gaming. Cheating in sports takes away from those sports, and there are some sports nobody watches anymore because cheating has become so rampant. Cheating in politics (accepting bribes, corruption, insider trading) hurts everybody.
Even if someone is cheating in your favor, you shouldn't tolerate it, because cheating makes things worse. Always.
yea there's only a couple of channels that does this
@@monikaszalkowska9419 u cant cheat against yourself, thats just having fun with mods
Cheating online has been around since Quake. Aim bots have always been an issue with pvp. And now there are so many cheaters it isn't worth playing these games.
@@monikaszalkowska9419 I mean, is it cheating if there's no player on the other end, who is intended by the developers to be equivalent to you in capability, to challenge you in the game? In other words, if it's not a multiplayer experience there can't be an unfair advantage because you decide what is fair. It may not be the game play experience the developers intended for you, but you are the only one missing out on that experience if you decide to cheat. Some games include their own cheats because it's fun and adds replayability to stuff (GTA, Doom, etc.). There is a large difference between turning on cheats included as a "feature" for people who have exhausted a game play loop in a single player game, and literally writing/running code intended to disrupt an established multiplayer game play loop to provide unfair advantages that allow a subpar player to make a profit on items earned with legit players' time. If you can sell those items back to the community for real money - that's real incentive to keep cheating regardless of any obstacle presented. Legal included. It truly is a dumpster fire of a person that does this kind of stuff. Angry 15 year old boys who die and install hacks from a shady forum somewhere are just the beginning of the cheating problem in Tarkov. It really has a criminal component to it that BSG just clearly has no idea how to deal with.
As an avid player of The Cycle: Frontier, the community response in your video is spot on. Season 1 was a pretty rough experience with MULTIPLE cheater deaths per day. It was literally unplayable and caused a quick downfall for the game. However since they focused on it, the cheating problem FEELS virtually non-existent. Previously I was getting 3-5 cheaters per day, now I don't even see 3 per month. They really did a phenomenal job at combating cheaters. Props to Yager for that.
Wait, they fixed the cheaters?
I was one of the players that left mid season! I gotta try it out again.
@@lastwymsi yeah, they set up a "trusted lobby' system. So if your account on Steam/Epic has ever been flagged for cheating, you're put into untrusted lobbies which have a higher chance of coming across someone who is cheating. But if you've never had an issue, and have a decent account history then you're automatically in trusted lobbies. I'm not 100% sure exactly how it works, but it's a night and day difference from when the game released lol. They extended Season 2 by 60 days, and there's only 16 days left until Season 3 right now. But i've probably only seen a total of about 8 cheaters, and I play daily. I can run exotic gear without fear of cheaters teleporting onto me or shooting me through a mountain!
@@xxvoss but the problem is the cycle is a dead game it has way less players playing so people are less incentivised to cheat
@@alexzhang9468 the current state of the playerbase isn't great right now, I will agree. But Tarkov didn't get popular like it is now until YEARS after it released. The Cycle released in June so I think it has TONS of room to grow! It is 100% worth playing still. They are still constantly working on the game.
The cycle game is shit/dead, and the devs/mods in their discord are toxic as HELL
Devs: “Anti cheat is not sexy”
G0at: *Saxophone intensifies*
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Yeah, it's not sexy, appsec talent is fucking expensive and they are cheap.
@@sethsends i know a dude who makes & sells cheats for GTAV/RDO and his literal remark is that he makes more money than they were offering to hire people to fix the issues that he actively exploited, and that finding exploits to sell is waaaay easier than preventing exploits AND banning cheaters.
You see - using an exploit is easy because you only need to find the one method to make the exploit work in your favor. Patching an exploit is hard because you have to both RECOGNIZE the exploit AND patch all the ways in which it COULD BE exploited to work in someone's favor.
And this, btw, has to be done WHILE ACTIVELY BANNING PEOPLE using the cheat - which is a time-consuming and manual issue.
@@nsahandler
It's almost as if people choose easy street by default.
"Getting paid more" is a pretty good thing all the time, wh*res have been profiting for years on easy street. Now they occupy their time with Twitch - so nothing changed.
And, if all were wh*res, then you wouldn't need engineers or skilled workers anywhere, because you'd just coom all day on easy street. Seems like a solution... I guess.
not xqc reading his chat out loud like its an original thought lmaooo
The stuff you do for the community is amazing :) thank you g0at
you're welcome.
this video is already old news. please address the offices of these cheat coders being raided.
Was really nice of him to advertise for those cheating softwares, I agree
@@propeller___ Mad cuz bad? or bad cuz mad?
@@propeller___ He's forcing BSG to do seomthing. And it works, so why not ? Advertising stuff you tell ppl it will be useless soon... not very motivating.
Those drives could have been a golden egg for any security researchers just figuring out how that happened and finding a fix .
Agreed!
Note to not only g0at but the viewers: Don't just throw out storage drives containing data, even if it seems unrecoverable. Most times it CAN still be recovered if you know what you're doing, and more importantly, there are scalpers in the world on the other end of electronic landfills who definitely know what they're doing.
Your data isn't erased just because you throw it in the trash can. It is only waiting to be found.
so what you're saying is .45 ACP
Should be pinned comment
@@alphaplayzz1381 though the memory component ideally adamantium bulet as that worked on wolverine
@@alphaplayzz1381 Among other options I suppose lol
Microwave plus industrial perforator and you're good to go 😊
While multiplayer FPS shooters may not typically be my cup of tea, the ongoing drama surrounding cheating in Tarkov has certainly caught my attention and left me eager to see how this complex issue will continue to unfold.
It's rampant in near all shooters that are popular. The difference is the cheating communities and how they hide it. Also enforcement on the dev end.
Fun fact, the same cheats released on day one of Sea of Thieves have not been updated and still work today. Some devs just don't give a shit. Many streamers keep ESP players around just for this.
It's not just Tarkov, its virtually every shooter. It's the community of 'Get Good' that keeps enabling the cheaters by denying the existence of the problem.
sorry but “FPS shooters” = “First Person Shooters shooters”
@@k_otey haha your right
The fact that you shared your experiences of them hacking you and messing up your drives helps show people just how shady these cheat makers are. And I'm sure it could have been worse!
Shady? That's like saying a drug dealer is shady , You as the consumer should KNOW what your getting into in advance and not be shocked when someone pulls a gun on you and steals your money. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Any one who's PC gets compromised as a result of using cheats deserves it, if you do it for science ...on your MAIN pc and you're to stupid to completely wipe everything afterwards or do it in a virtual environment from the start , well you deserve the consequences.
Do I respect his crusade against cheaters, absolutely. Do I feel bad for him that his rig got fried , not one bit. If that's all they did, he should consider himself lucky. Carrying on and making more videos after they've already shown that they know exactly who he is...well, that falls right back into the camp of incompetency. We live in a world where the scariest criminals wield keyboards not AKs
@@driklol the thing is, theres still mainstream "this is just a game" way of thinking which prevent people to view these cheat provider (hackers) as shady and continue on using their ilegal service even tho they are as shady as them drug dealers
@@alfariziislam3796 Fair point, just wild to me that it's not more common knowledge by now.
Yeah it's like they are literal criminals. Not all of them of course. The government won't stop cheating because it's just video games, not illegal, yet many hackers or cheaters will do illegal things towards others who have interfered with them in any way, like they are some sort of mafia.
@@ronnie9379 I believe China has an official task force (like some sort of fbi type agency) solely for the purpose of comabting these cheat companies and stuff. It affects their economy pretty heavily.
I was nervous this was gonna happen to you. So sorry my man. Of course, still so proud you stood up for what was right despite it putting a big target on your head. Next time of course, you'll be sure to REALLY clean up after dealing with those dirty cheaters.
imagine a game that bricks your computer if you cheat, game devs have the same access, now that would be awesome
obviously a slightly ethical gray area but id try it whatever the genre was
This even exposes this to the cheaters who, some at least, minority could stop doing it just for this reason alone. A win even if a very small one.
@t395delta there would have to be an out of this world detection system though because if you brick a pc falsely that's a lot of money you have to make up. Also many people just wouldn't play the game in fear of that
Rip goat
@@t395delta , Sony tried to do something similar with pirates by adding root-kits to their music CDs, to prevent people from ripping them. What ensued, was a huge security problem for the entire world, since everyone was getting their computers infected with a dangerous root-kit, and mass lawsuits for Sony. Remember: hell is full of people with "good intentions".
Never been bothered about playing this game, but you are doing valuable work for the gaming community as a whole.
Much love.
15:13 Bruh, you have shined more light on the problem than anyone else in the community, and you can't imagine how grateful I am for your actions. We may enter new era of Tarkov, the one where the game will live for years with little to no cheaters present, and it's in the biggest part your work. Thank you 💕
PS Do you think few drives was a good price for taking down one of the most prominent cheats there was? ;)
Tarkov is never getting better . It's GG for Tarkov .
Did you forget ? This is BSG we are talking about. He literally copy pasted his reddit post from 3 years ago. He did the same thing he's doing 3 years ago.
ABS isn’t down. It’s up for purchase right now
cheating will never cease to exist its technically impossible to stop, its more of a societal problem because from your birth you see that the only people who get somewhere in this god forsaken world is the ones who cheat lie and deceive, some people translate it into gaming other into business, sport and everyday life
we're living in hell honor and justice is no longer a desired trait, self improvement is no longer worth to chase since technology does it for you with no effort
serfs shouldn't have access to the internet
I don't even play Tarkov, but find this crusade super interesting. I've had various games ruined with cheats before so it all resonates with me.
pubg
@@kaimojepaslt csgo
@@ladmad9196 r6
fuck me dude, combat arms, warzone, crossfire, now even rocket league and tarkov, cheaters are fucking everywhere and have always been
fuckem
Tf2
Seriously though, giving you your kit back after being killed by a cheater is next level. Bravo to the devs over there....
The game barely has any players compared to tarkov of course they are able to get their kits back
@@alexzhang9468player count has nothing to do with identifying what loot a player had during the death by a certain player and then giving it back lmao.
@@alexzhang9468 literally they have to check what you had at the start of the raid and give it to you back via system messages
@@alexzhang9468 you can get your insurance back based on attachements they took of your gun but you think they couldnt give you a kit back you lost to a cheater because of the playerbase? do you really think they do that manually and it would be hard to set it up when they already have the insurance system working lol
@dangerd9315 Nobody is manually keeping track of people's kit lol.
it`s not only about tarkov,its about whole gaming community.
Exactly 💯
But there are few games that have a bigger problem then tarkov. It's just THE prime example atm what happens when you don't do enough. Lots of other games turned it around. Warzone, Cycle etc....
people who cheat on the internet should just be removed from the internet. for like..dunno...10k years?
@@satakrionkryptomortis yes they should be REMOVED
The fact there was a bot to cheat in rocket league says there's a problem
Coming from a dev, thank you. this kind of stuff would require us to have an entire community relations team member to properly explain to a player base. What you do isn't easy, and we value it greatly. Thank you.
Keep making good content like this. You will not be a fad, and you'll be a long-standing quality content creator for this site.
I don't play EFT at all but this whole saga is captivating. I applaud your work, g0at, and wish you luck in the future!
If you don’t play the game. Then why even comment?
@@SeanyMacKTA He just said that he finds it captivating dumbass read the sentence
@@SeanyMacKTA Average sports Gamer
@@SeanyMacKTA because I enjoy the crusade against hackers?
@@hybridgaming8341 100!
Love that The Cycle: Frontier got not just a mention but interviews. The dev team over there has been really great even when criticisms of the game of been varying and sometimes extreme. I have always enjoyed the game and can feel the kind of experience that the devs are trying to craft. I love the environment and backstory of the Frontier, and really hope they expand on the lore, backstory and game mechanic-wise.
Go play it! It's fucking free!
I've played World of Warcraft since the 7th grade, I'm 29 now. I've never heard of a single cheater in that game. I never came across a cheater, it was never a topic or subject in the game. It's been one of if not the most popular game for the last two decades. I wonder how they did it?
@@TheGoatLocker you are just delusional
I still miss the old cycle. Back before it was a Tarkov clone it was a movement shooter battle royale with pvpve. No fall damage and custom abilities made it amazing.
@@cody_raves So an Apex clone with monsters? I'd rather have this thanks.
Those interviews actually really upset me, because cheaters (and many other things) are still a huge issue in that game, and have been since the betas. Yager simply goes out of their way to ban or harass ANYONE with criticism, so if you're not paying attention it can look like there isn't any. If you keep refreshing comments on an update post, you'll see literally hundreds of reasonable complaints that disappear within a few minutes.
I've been following The Cycle for a while, hoping it'll get better, but every patch or update is always exactly the opposite of what people ask for. I recently got another ban for asking why they buffed high tier weapons and nerfed low tier ones for the umpteenth time. I think they do it out of spite at this point.
"It takes a proactive and engaged approach..."
Yeah when has BSG ever been that way?
I've been saying for 2 years now that the cheating on tarkov was bad. I stopped playing 2 years ago because of it and nobody believed it. Finally some vindication. We need more videos like this.
Last played about a year ago, I never had much fun questing but gunfights on factory were the shit. Probably because there's not much worth cheating over on that map. Reserve though was a mess
Most people aren't dying to cheaters, most people are dying because they suck.
I hit level 67 last wipe and im currently 57, kappa'd both times.
Yes, i'm sure there are the amount of cheaters that Goat claims in his videos, but they aren't rage hackers, you aren't dying because of them.
You are dying because...well...first sentence.
Wrong. I'm an OG player. Been on since alpha. I actually did the same thing goat did back in January and spent a month using cheats to hunt cheaters because it's gotten insane. Goats estimated are low because he doesn't know what to look for until he found the wiggle. In several hundred raids in every single match there are cheaters. I've seen 2 raids with no cheaters, several with everyone cheating and most raids there are 2 to 6 cheaters not counting squads. Most aren't rage hacking but they all win and all have a heavy advantage which is also why you can't find rare items because they rush them. The only ones at this point to make the statements you have are the ones cheating and even if they were actually trying to avoid other players they are ruining the game in so many other ways. Shame because I'm an OG alpha player and I would have loved to see this game go gold but its dead. It cheaters and suckers left and if they can't fix it fast tarkov is over. I'm glad I got to play it back in the day before the streamers brought too much attention to it and the COD players and hackers flooded it. Try again but odds are you are either ignorant of the situation or cheat or buy from RMTers. At least the cycle was listening instead of doing ban waves when they need more money followed by a sale so the cheaters can buy back in.
@@astainlessnoyb1038 lmao? I rush the high tier loot spawns.
I have 170m cash now. Already seen the light keeper. BAD = BAD.
Skill issue for sure. Playing since alpha doesn't mean shit, the game has changed a fuck ton.
@@Xtasy604 The only people left with your attitude are the ones using RMT or cheats themselves. Nuff said.
I appreciate the cycle shoutout. I've seen the progress the game has been making and I really hope people come back to see it for themselves for season 3 on the 29th. You're doing some really stellar work on this journey, and I wish you and the Tarkov community the best of luck getting some real action from BSG.
W Evan
Such a trash game lol but ok
The issue with the cycle is there is little to zero progression, theres little to zero reason to kill pve mobs, theres not much of a point of the game sadly, it has potential.
@@K9Tvz Other than you know.. needing their body parts to craft better armor and upgrade your room for its better perks, but yeah, "little" progression.
Each faction has lengthy story quest chains and better tiers of gear as you rank them up. But yeah. "Little" progression. How about instead of just running up to an NPC and spamming buttons you instead actually read their dialogue and get some understanding about the universe you're playing in?
The game is still new and has a solid amount of content that just keeps getting added too.
@@devious00 all of that is little to no progression sadly, and pretty pointless, other than that the cycle is honestly a really good game, just needs more end game progression with a purpose
It’s so sad to see the cycle gone now man I used to fucking love that game bring it back bruh
we're in a new era of tarkov, lets hope it works out
1st time? /gif
g0at has made BSG $402k-$1.1m dollars since g0ats original video. BSG loves g0at. He's def on the xmas list now.
Same old, they will wipe this under the rug in a few more weeks and nothing has changed.
nope
just a new era of new gen hack , like drugs or cartel in mexico , look what happen now after Sinalloa death; what a joke;
that man just made money with youtube :/
Ballsiest and MOST EFFECTIVE move for all Tarkov creators ! I'm glad your subscriber volume expands so fast! Well deserved !
Private servers was the best thing we ever had for any FPS. Once they were taken away so they could run games as subscriptions, they cheating exploded. Sever admins were able to run scripts, and ban cheaters right away. None of the stupid junk of waiting weeks.
The moment when that dev is explaining the swiss cheese model, and then you're like "that's the swiss cheese model". Chef's kiss.
It's stopped a lot of airplanes from falling out the the sky, great to see it implemented in other industries.
Call your ISP asap and change your IP address. Lock down your credit as well. Your identity is 100% out there now and I would not trust them to not use it.
This. This x1000000
Lock your credit report too and check your home tax records.
Not joking. If they want to make it personal. They can.
I really wish g0at used better security to do this investigation.
Honestly, the busted drive would make a great sample for any security researcher, assuming you are able to pull the malware from it.
If devs put as much money into anticheat software as they put into copy protection, there would be no cheaters.
You are correct. Problem is. Copyright infringement is a federal crime. Cheating is not. Until the government gets involved in a real way, cheating will never be punished, and therefor, will continue on.
@@supermanlift The government cheats themselves, so keep them out of game industry to be honest lol
@@supermanlift what you're suggesting is a violation of one's privacy
Governments are already far too much involved in the everymans life, go be a fed shill somewhere else
You can't govern rules in a game.
I've been watching you for a few months thanks to your shorts, i am so happy the video blew up. You deserve it man thank you for holding the community above bsg.
You earned what u deserve
as a tarkov player i felt that difference the moment that cheat sub HQ or even main HQ went down. suddenly it appeared i was good at the game haha. in all seriousness us tarkov players can't thank you enough for what you have done and the effort you have put into these videos and even putting your rep on the line by calling out BSG. so thankful there are people like you who are willing to stand up to BSG because uhhhh i don't think that reporting the player was cutting it haha.
I love the cycle frontier its devs take criticism great and understand the players and know what the game needs. I'm really hoping for the game to grow in popularity with the release of season 3. I believe that the only thing the cycle needs is a larger player count to fill the lobbies.
@@superlad6684 LMAO bro all the experiences ive seen with the devs have been good. Thats crazy that he said that.
needs to get rid of MMR system
BRAVO! Keep making these. Its making a HUGE difference, and Tarkov needs it! Thank you!
I have never played Tarkov, but I imagine that if all the veteran players got their loot back every time a cheater (that killed them at some point) was banned, then they would get a lot of loot.
And by not having played it you are blissfully unaware that loot space is premium... and BSG charges for more of it but still limits it pretty hard even after selling you more of it.
@@bdhale34 and has limited it more and more over the years haha remeber when quest rewards lasted a whole season
It would be almost every load out.
I’d have to have 300 eod accounts worth of stash space to fill it maybe more 😂
@@bdhale34 stg they saw resident evil and said "yeah that'll do"
The Cycle's "Get Your Kit Back" when a cheater gets banned would be completely game changing if Tarkov had it.
Especially when you would get a notif when they got banned. We would still love to get a replay theater feature.
Man, I wish the Cycle Frontier devs all the best. They did an amazing job. I hope The Cycle Frontier will get the increase in players that 1000% deserves. Would also be a clear message to all the other developers. Crush the cheaters and your game will thrive.
if the games good yes
@@rubikquitous8482 what if we add more IAP???
The deserved bit is not quite the right thing to say. For example I have tried the game in the betas and when it launched and found I didn't like the gunplay and the gear system. No amount of success against cheaters means they deserve me revisiting the game. The primary motivator is how good the game is, doing better than others against cheaters is a bonus. Also perception is important. You can say "I never see cheaters in EFT" and people will just say they are all just avoiding you, that's how bad it is, but that for some reason never comes across the minds for other games. They could be avoiding you just as much and it be just as bad for all we know, however the difference in the game is what changes the perception. If there is an ESP cheater in your EFT match then the good loot is gone and that's that. In the cycle the goot loot gets taken by the ESP user.... And it's back again.
@@HellDuke- Man, that was a very long way to say "I have a contrarian take."
If the devs have crushed cheating prospects in a matter of 6 months to a game that was littered with cheating, (The Cycle became a meme very quickly) they deserve every possible amount of player increase.
You literally cemented your point with "Ill never return, I don't like the loot/inventory system, WHETHER THEY DESERVE NEW PLAYERS IS SUBJECTIVE" stfu
@@HellDuke- literally no one asked for your game review
Man if I could give you a hug, I would. Love what you're doing for millions of us. Fuck all the haters. I love you man
Man, The Cycle Frontier still makes me sad to this day.
This was a great follow-up. Thanks for doing what you do with class. Hats off sir.
You force a company to get a job done 👍
Huge respect from me, a tarkov community member
The irony.
I wouldn't count your chickens yet lol
No, he didn't. Quit lying.
im pretty sure the cheat dev got arrested for not paying taxes in China. Give it a week some one will take their place im sure. Way to much money to be made by these criminals
@EVOLICIOUS yes he did, don't be delusional. Within less than a week there was a police raid, 2 patches and 10.000 bans ;)
Lol, imagine being a hacker, and boot nuking Goat, then getting arrested, and Goat is still operating and helping to fix the sore loser problem. Great video Goat.
The issue with BSG and Tarkov is I doubt they expected Tarkov to become so popular so quick in the recent years. But what BSG has failed to do was improve the infrastructure and capitalize the huge spike of popularity to make the game better by hiring more devs and/or improve their game engine. BSG decided to just slap a "Anti-Cheat program" and call it a day. Just like what this video explained they haven't hired more people for their team to be a designated team to combat the cheaters. BSG instead, just focused on updating the game, which is good in hindsight but these updates they keep putting out, keep having issues, i.e. audio bugs, invisible PMC's, DESYNC, etc. BSG ignores the constructive criticism they get until a huge bandwagon of people step in and tell BSG to do something, and then BSG does something about it. I used to love Tarkov, played it ever since 2018, but these past few years it's just been a complete disaster and gOat's previous video addressing and proving how bad cheating really is was the last straw for me. I wish things were different, I really hope these types of videos give BSG the wakeup call they need and change their ways on how they conduct things, but only time will tell.
i mean there is still a mod if you dont play tarkov for the pvp
Yeah... BUT it was popular for 4 years, in 2019 they already been popular enough to need BattleEye and cheaters existed even before then... so it was popular for long time, and it had issues with cheater for long time... So I think if they really wanted they could have done something about it... they haven't done much about it, or enough, or right things...
So basically I don't buy that "they didn't expect"... sure 6 years ago maybe they didn't expect, but 4 years ago they not only expected, it was already de-facto very popular popular and very infested by cheats. And they as a company had enough cash to actually do something about it.
And I am not making any conspiracy theories here - I ma just saying - anyone thinking that are like 4 years late to EFT. I guess maybe for somebody who found out about the game a year ago and started playing recently this may look like this. But after 5 years playing it I can assure you - everyone who were playing or working on EFT seen it coming for long time.
@@lp9280 this. Mental gymnastics just to try to rationalize a company choosing to do very little to hinder the skid community that makes them a solid 40USD minimum if they buy new accounts after they get ghosted
Copium is in high demand
I really love the effort you're putting into trying to investigate and help solve this issue, going as far as to hold interviews with other game developers to get their first-hand experience with the problem. I guess I could say you're the GOAT... :D
Problem is, BSG will most definitely see this as 'disloyalty' of some kind or another.
Shit this cannot be understated, he initiated a movement to persecute hackers. Amazing
Chad Cycle: **banned cheaters, gives the players with compensation**
Beta Tarkov: **letting the hackers run, try to sue SPT, still kicking their balls**
BSG trying to sue spt is fucking funniest thing i have ever heard in my life, this is pathetic
@@Matheo355 ikr even tho its benefit to all people who doesn't have that good internet or graphic
its really telling they profiting off of hackers
The fact that your name is Goat, and you were the one that made that video, is nothing short of legendary....hats off to you sir.
why are you wearing a hat at the pc
@@commentaccount7880 ask summit.
gOat out here doing the lord's work and saving Tarkov one video at a time.
The problem here is BSG will most definitely see this video as some form or another of 'disloyalty'.
And mind you, Yager is taking advantage of this situation too. Notice how they made a huge UA-cam marketing push, including 2 minute unskippable mid-rolls on EFT-related content, all around the same time g0at's wiggle video dropped?
That's because they knew blood was in the water and they could try and sieve off some disenfranchised Tarkov players.
And now this? Making themselves super available to g0at _specifically_ for interviews? It's because they want to use the wiggle situation with EFT as essentially a shakedown to then advertise the crap out of their game TCF. Because they know for a fact most EFT players that are interested in it's future are watching this whole shit show and how it goes down.
Everything about this just feels a little too slimy for me now, man.
I hope for nothing but the best for Escape From Tarkov & The Cycle: Frontiers. But this video g0at? It's a little... erm... gross? Idk how i phrase it properly, it just feels dirty.
Edit: Just wanna make it clear that i've nevber played either of these games, but had considered off and on for years EFT. And this entire comment from me just a result of me trying to put myself into a player's shoes wether in EFT or TCF, also trying to put myself in the shoes of the Developers/CEO of BSG & Yager, and thinking about it as they would.
My fear is, what was originally being made by a passionate fan (g0at) a video to try and show how bad the cheating in EFT has gotten, and how can/should we fix it? IS now turning into a corporate dick-sizing content between Yager and BSG, and i just can't see this ending the way any of us down on the ground floor, in a positive manner.
you think something's obvious until someone lays out it and everyone acts shocked.
I don't play Tarkov, and have no interest in it, but you are a paragon for the community. Good on you.
I always find it funny how some random Russian in his basement can identify one random guy about of millions with nothing but circumstantial evidence, install a root kit and make it survive a wipe then modify the firmware of 3 presumably diffrent devices and destroy them, meanwhile multy million dollar companies with industry leading talent can't guess that a 2h old account with 12KD isn't legit.
he didn't wipe and weren't they Chinese and not Russian?
I absolutely enjoy that you constantly do interviews when doing videos such as this, it makes the video significantly more compelling.
I hope cheaters now think twice about using a program that just hands over their computer to someone else. Maybe the knowledge that cheating is leaving them vulnerable in so many different ways will have a positive impact on beginning to curb the problem. Thank you, g0at. You are the man.
Love all the support for The Cycle!
It's so good as a more relaxed Extraction Shooter, yet still gives the same tension and feeling of fear.
No it doesnt and you're stuck using the same guns on repeat because 90% of the guns are garbage.
@@NeowMeow That's just like, your opinion man.
@@Jacksaur_ Its not an opinion because its fact most of the guns just suck and arent worth using.
the game is shit
@@kdsaev 60% cheaters is shittier lmao
Very happy to see The Cycle get some coverage! I've been wanting to make a video about The Cycle Vs. Tarkov because of how frustrating Tarkov has become with all it's problems. Unfortunately I don't really have experience making vids, so it likely wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as this one. Basically to anyone reading this, if you are sick of Tarkov, take a break and try The Cycle when it wipes (for the last mandatory time) on the 29th.
I love Cycle and the cheating has bes become so much better. I have over 300 hours, and when the packs came out It filled my inventory.
The cycle has a awful cheating problem ur 100% gonna get a cheater in ur lobby every game unless u pay $ on the free to play game to get trusted lobbies lol
Started in the 2nd season and have only once encountered a cheater and I only knew after I got the gear package. It wasn't an obvious cheater as well, looked like a legit player imho. But interestingly, what they brought up regarding loby assigning: I have a suspicion if you are more aggressive you get assigned to more aggressive loby (so if you'resuspected of cheating, high kd ratio then maybe loby is adjusted). Since I mostly focus on pve I've noticed the same on most of my opponents. Not for my friend though 🤣 when joining a party with him - then we're just bullet magnets. Everyone is so aggressive then. Either way cheating hasn't been a concern in cycle in recent times and has been a good experience 👌
@@AnsisCers There are trusted and untrusted lobbies. There are also different skill tier buckets that players are matched in. It also depends on squad size
The Cycle seems to have a different problem though? Unlike Tarkov end game gear players are just untouchable for newbies making the game decidedly unfun and one-sided for newcomers.
Apreciate the Love for The Cycle dude. I love this game with a passion and it deserves so much more. Hope to run some raids with you on Fortuna 3 Homie, love to show you around!
Yo, love your content! Funny to see you comment here lol, I was just watching a random loadout dungeon vid of yours before this
@@evelezpuma I Love You
Vasco sus
You probably didn’t have to throw out the drives. The boot partition may have been broken/removed, but they were probably still perfectly functional and you’d be able to put them in another device, get the data off, and then put them back in your PC and reinstall Windows.
this, I was really confused as to the how/why he determined the drives to be inoperable. Securely wiping the drives should have sufficed
Yeah I laughed at that myself.
Oh and he definitely did not need to do that. Not probably. They aren’t made with boot files. Unless there was physical damage done they were fine.
There are ways to actually corrupt disk firmwares to the point that the drive won’t identify correctly or at all on the bus and then you are basically gone.
If you have an image of the firmware, an hot air station and enough know-how to reflash the chip directly you could get the drive back but it’s usually not worth it
He referenced multiple drives not working. It’s obviously not just a boot partition issue if that’s the case. They probably ran a heavy write program to eat through the drive’s usable life asap. It’s a very common way to destroy evidence remotely.
If it took a video from a passionate content creator to bring any real-and nearly immediate-change to this community it just makes me wonder whether BSG has been operating in good faith up to this point.
Cycle devs got the right idea.
I honestly love how much your channel has blown up within a few weeks after making all of these videos. You deserve it bud.
its a scam
@@thezimra9429 you scam your 3 subscribers...
I'm very impressed with how well the cycle handled the cheating problem.
G0at walking into the hood thinking he would be safe lol
You live you learn.
That video was needed and honestly one day I hope to go back to that game, but the cheaters are real. Your out here doing legendary work man!
You are the man. I’m so excited for a change in gaming I can’t handle it. Props to u a million times over.
Bro it doesn't matter what game I play we all wiggle now. Lol "respect the wiggle."
Man... You ARE a hero , I played enourmous number of raids and I found FAR LESS cheaters... Thanks to you, to going deeper on this shit , to all ur work, ur balls to do what you did... I dont know very well to express my ideas in english but I wish you get it. T H A N K Y O U seriously. You are truly the GOAT. Keep the amazing work you are doing.
edit; aw shit .. that was a huge mistake , to not wiping ur entire computer after using this shit. FUCK!.. im sorry , a boot nuke... :( :(
enjoy it for the two months it lasts like every time, next wipe will be the same. youll see.
your work recently has been remarkable, you've earned a subscription.
I used to play the cycle when it was PvE and haven’t checked it out since, this video made me insta-download it.
if you like the game now, you'll like it even more in 3 weeks when it wipes
You're the goat g0at. This is a great step towards improving the game we all know and love, I just hope the wiggle wont be tainted forever :(
The fact you found a more easily and affordable way to find cheaters haha than the devs “wiggle”
All we can say is Thank you! You deserve the name over the last couple weeks now more than ever!
I’ll be honest, this video served very well as an ad for Cycle Frontier lol. A similar game to tarkov where the PLAYERS described the cheating issue as “annihilated”. Seems pretty compelling to me
I stand by what I said as I was there when it was bad and I was there when it was fixed, I sure as hell hope this game thrives during season 3 because it's a GOOD game
as someone who is late to this story (was on vacation for a month haha) and a avid tarkov fan i feel like the final part where the cheat was taken down deserves it's own video and recognition. not just an 'oh yeah'. otherwise great videos.
I just joined Tarkov like 2 weeks ago and didn't know about the whole cheat drama. I think I caught precisely the right time
I LOVE THIS. I am glad that the cycle is getting more attention, I hope the game comes back in the new season and I was very happy that they banned cheaters so swiftly. Season 1 was bad, but they changed the outcome very quick.
I am no Escape from Tarkov player, but your video about cheating got me to dive deeper into the topic and I found out, that there a ton of cheats, for so many different titels out there. It is a business as you said. I wasn't aware of that! I do hope, that you are bringing more light to the cheating issue and therefore giving the countermeasures like battleye more of a push. Thank you!
No! Don't throw away the drives! You can fix them in no time!
Thanks for the shout out to The Cycle: Frontier. It's a fantastic game that deserves the positive attention for what they've done. I really hope EFT gets the help it needs. Even though I don't play it, the game serves as a great alternative for people who want that experience. I encourage EFT vets to try out the cycle and enjoy themselves even if it's not your main game.
The Cycle Frontier and Hunt Showdown are both great extraction shooters that remind me of EFT.
Cycle frontier is clunky and boring as fuck lol.
Your doing gods work for gamers even if some don’t know it yet. Keep up the good fight man!
I personally would love to see an in-depth psychology concearning the minds of a cheater. So far It's baffling to me why anyone would ever cheat but clearly people are and what is it specifically that makes them wanna do it.
RMT (real money trade) is one of the reasons for using cheats, they farm gear more effectively with cheats and sell them for real money on their website
Also not being good enough / caring too much / having an oversized ego makes people cheat cause they simply don't want to be the ones that loses
I don´t even play Tarkov and these is fascinating, i watch Lyandmark from time to time because i just like seing Tarjov despite not playing it, and it was hilarious making him strap a webcam to his head to show he doesn´t cheat. The proportions "The Video" as reached is trully the bigest, most influencial and most controversial case in the videogame industry for years and years for sure
I appreciate the work you do, man.
Actually promoted a game while killing another. What a beast
The fact that people knew so little about cheating in games and that their reaction to your video has been cataclysmic says a lot about how educated the people really are about how long this stuff's been around... Thank you for bringing this to light kind sir, terribly sorry to hear about what happened to you man
everyone knew there were cheaters, but little people knew what it looked like and what the cheating community was like.
@@thelifeofsantiii The cheating community was and still is a part of tarkovs community so they are influencing other ppls opinion after all as you see when cheating is the topic
Nothing beats the amount of stupid takes i watched, there is thia guy who thinks all cheater houses are part of some grand conspiracy to bring grand amounts of grofit to game companies.
@@massgunner4152 that's some of the wildest shit I've ever heard lmao
meanwhile, gta online is still a shitshow and has been for years
Nothing but S tier content, thank you g0at! I love Tarkov and an improvement in anti cheat and focus on that aspect of the game would bring me so much joy. It’s nice to see content creators bust their asses for cool stuff like this that helps the players. BSG needs feedback from its community and it’s sick to see people like you trying to give us a voice.
Honestly, asking the Dev's from Cycle Frontier how they combat the cheaters in their game, is a bit of a niche point.
Mostly because the more popular the game, the more the hacking community will want to create the hacks that by pass said anti-cheat for the game. on avg, if you look at the player count of Cycle Frontier, its a bit of a dying game... There isn't much interest in the game for the hackers to spend their time making hacks for it.
The hacking community is there to make money, the more popular the game, the more they profit for making cheats. They aren't going to waste their time (a majority of the good ones) making cheats work in a game with no return value of people buying it.
When he said they sorta "solved it" or on the "winning" side, its more because its not a very popular game, where they want to waste their time on it, there is no real money for them to make. They had alot of hackers at the beginning because the hype around the game was high. It started off with alot of players, so they wanted to make hacks to make money, now the player base has died off. They wont waste their time, other than the odd cheat developers, or your individual hackers.
Perhaps if you can, try to speak to a dev team where the game is popular ala EFT...?
Don’t care what happens I’m always here for you goaty boy
This was a very good video g0at. You make a great journalist and tbh I would like to see more videos like this when it comes to the gaming community. Getting this kind of transparency is not common nowadays.
I have many issues with anti cheat software coming from a security standpoint. It's great if it's server sided, but I am absolutely not a fan of the client side ones you have to download.
Like, why would I want to have/download a kernel level backdoor with the utmost authority over my PC at all times to run through my system doing whatever it wants when it wants and without any permission or say so from me/you whatsoever. Also, If the anti cheat company goes rouge or gets compromised... Just imagine all of the computers that can get compromised with the highest level of permission you can get. (We've already seen the genshin impact anti cheat get used to turn off a systems antivirus.)
Not to mention that a file you may deem non malicious may be deemed malicious by whoever controls the anti cheat. It's up to them to decide. (Understandable, but it could/can open the door for abuse.)
And if that isn't bad enough, cheat software can operate at the same level with the same permissions and spoof itself to look like something innocent or potentially inject itself into a process that the anti cheat wouldn't want to kill. (This is why server sided anti cheat is better in my opinion)
Also, if the anti cheat devs happen to be lazy, if you try to play the game using literally anything other than a windows system, you're deemed a cheater and banned or you just aren't allowed to play the game. (Looking at you Rainbow six siege & Vrchat. I could list more but I've typed for long enough.)
The truth is, is that the anti cheat devs don't have what's best for your PC security in mind. They only care about the game and the games files. Not yours.
AND don't even get me started with the god knows how many 0day vulnerabilities that may exist in the private/proprietary anti cheat software and are being exploited right now that all of the devs and security experts missed or don't see that won't be fixed. And If one gets discovered, it'll take probably a month or so to patch or fix. (Just to have a different exploit be used and not be found for god knows how long. Repeating the cycle.)
DAMN!!! He is actually THE GOAT, im so impressed with these videos. Even tho the last vid made me loose interest in Tarkov, i gotta say, keep em coming g0at, U gotta sub 4 life from me with the last 3 vids
Never played Tarkov but I work in IT and do some game development as a hobby and this entire story has been fascinating to follow. Thank you for doing these videos and please keep up the amazing work.
a lot of games used to flag people who look directly at someone through a wall for to long to be investigated..
This whole issue drove me away from competitive games in a major way. I almost exclusively play single player games now because of this
What's really sad is there's cheaters even in co-op only games. If they can get away with it, they will. These people are just so fucked up in the head they're fine with ruining the gaming experience of other players even when they're on the same team as them.
If Nikita creates an anti cheat team, he wouldn't be able to buy more maserattis, come on man.
Way to go The Cycle! Gonna re-install for the new season on March 29th, love devs that listen and DO something
Bro... The video compares a game that struggles to keep 2k active players to a game that does 100k+ easily. Cycle Frontiers anticheat system is not any better, infact its probably worse. It's just that the game is dead, gets barely any content and cheaters have moved on XD
@@acca9169 very convenient argument lmao
@@acca9169 battle state is lying to you. Do you honestly think there banning thousands of players a day? They dont have the player count for that
@@Hawks282 It's not a convenient argument, it's the truth. Out of all the major online fps' that are out there, and he talks about the one game no ones heard of. Why didn't he compare tarkovs cheating to warzone, or pubg, or fortnite, or battlefield, or the plethora of other online fps' that compare in scope to tarkov? Yeah the reason is because those games are also insanely full of cheaters, and they aren't doing any better than tarkov. It's insanely obvious to any logical person, that the larger the player base and the greater the popularity of the game, the more cheats are going to be present, and the better the cheat devs are going to be at sidestepping anticheat devices and methods. But if you want to stick your head in the sand and la la la la la away any logical argument, then ok.
@@garfield5647 Where did I say anything about "amount of players being banned" ? Like that's a whole different argument. ***Facepalm***
I dont fully trust that the drives were fully fried. even if they wiped firmware, you can re-flash it and it would have been a whole lot cheaper and time effective to do. There's tons of data recovery options. Even if they did specifically a "boot nuke" the drives could be reformatted.
This discounts the possibility of a firmware hack, but those are very specific and borderline impossible especially for some goofy cheat developers who never had physical access to your drives.
Yes!
I use a comparison to explain to companies what a hacker does to a game.
A hacker is basically a car thief,
Who instead of taking the car,
Takes control of the car and you get taken for a ride whenever they feel like because the car manufacturers, didn't add a key requirement for starting it.
My purchase is worthless until it's secure.
you changed tarkov history my man, true tarkov god
1000%
Tarkov needs a offline/co-op only progression PMC. It will let people actually learn the game and just mess around with their friends on top of augmenting what you can do as far as creator content goes. All the while still giving those who want the traditional Tarkov PVP experience the seasonal wipes every X months and supplementing those wipes with a flow of fresh noobie meat.
Unfortunately that's way too obvious for BSG.
Well do I have news for you
Why would anyone be allowed to learn the game the easy way, its meant to he hard as fuck. Suffer the first wipe and then play.
@@Keiser-h4z Ah a "it's supposed to be hardcore" person. The game would reach a larger player base with some basic QoL changes. It can still be difficult and not turn people away.
@@92Jdmsupra i don't want more people, i already see the difference when big streamer from other game were not on it, now every dude is running around like a meth addict kid
Ah yeah thank you for letting us know there are 6700 new sad banned faces. Hallelujah.
From one Goat to another, I'm glad this conversation is being made and talked about not only for Tarkov, but in general for game developers. Being transparent and open with the community makes games better, including dealing with cheaters.
Do not the goat
@@zilog1 I do the goat.
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