Dude, my jaw dropped when you talked about verifying the phone numbers, that's some next level journalism. Beautiful job and thank you sharing the story - the case, for me, has always been more about what lengths the Feds will go to to get a conviction more than me and my individual story, so this broad spectrum covering a lot of angles is perfect. Thank you so much.
I want everyone to know that Josh was extremely transparent with me when I interviewed him. He provided a lot of information that he didn't have to. Some of it made it into the video and it really helped tell the story. I hope everyone can go check out what he's up to theses days and support him in any way they can. Cheers!
If you ever get arrested don't sign anything and don't say anything without a lawyer. If they say they can't get one in that is an absolute lie. Remember they're there to get a conviction NOT to help you so don't help them in any way.
or just dont threaten to shoot kids at your school, no one can say for sure or not if he would have went through with something like what he talked about
The Supreme Court says you have to talk to them to communicate your desire for council. So you talk to them but your vocabulary is limited to "Lawyer" "now" and possibly "right" and "fucking". So you can evolve from "Lawyer....Lawyer" to "Lawyer now....lawyer now" to "lawyer Right now" to "lawyer right fucking now" Just so the record shows exactly when and how badly they violated your sixth amendment rights so you can poison that whole fuckin tree.
Wow love the advertisement. That was very thoughtful. Your bad joke at 3:42 was great. That illustrates some of the tension on the issues here. Really, really well done. Except that guy at the end no fucking clue wtf he was on about.
The second story really broke my heart. His experience really terrified me as a 41 year old man. I can't imagine being a young adult going through that.
I live 3 mile's from the Travis country jail. I had no clue It was like that. never had to spend time in there even tho I've lived next to it for 11 year's. And the air port is right next to it to.
@@Mikesusendsadasdc I’m a woman, and I was arrested and taken to del valley before being transferred off to the holding facility before breaking chain and being sent off to the feds. And let me tell you, the part where he said he got to put his real clothes on with hopes of going home is 1000% accurate 😂😂😂 I didn’t know about the assault thing, I would’ve gotten my ass whooped before giving anything up.
Great way to tell the story great video!!! Josh like me went too far but i totally understand his mindset. Thanks for talking about my story in a tasteful way. - justin carter
Just got to the phone number part. Holy crap. Everybody else on UA-cam is messing around making videos that follow the trends to make money, but you are doing ACTUAL WORK. I know there are other people in the world that do this work, but I haven't ever seen them on UA-cam before. Your channel is incredible, keep it up!
@@hoodie_bron Not many more, they're pretty rare, which is why they're so respected. Coffee is one of them. Another one is Oki's Weird Stories, which is personally my favorite documentarian.
@@viderevero1338 yes actually there are plenty of channels who do the same thing. Please stop. The amount of channels that do documentaries similar to them and the amount of work they do isn’t a small amount so what are you even talking about? I wouldn’t have said it if it wasn’t true. Do some searching and you’ll find plenty of channels putting in the same type of effort but some have less resources
I have seen this covered a lot on UA-cam by various creators, but you had a FANTASTIC entry into this story with a lot of new information. Really great work, excited for this channel.
I love all of your content - zero bad takes, all extremely well executed in my opinion. I saw a new vid from you and was excited, but then read the title. Runescape was the only computer game I played/play before tarkov and thought it was going to be a cringy wash&repeat. Josh's story has been extensively covered and I did not want my first bad impression of you to come from my nostalgic escape. I apologize for my ignorance haha. I should've known you'd blow it out of the water again with the best coverage of his story so far. Good shit man. I hope this does numbers and reaches.
This story is horrifying on so many levels. If these claims are ignored then horrible things are possible however figuring out who's a troll and who's a threat is not only hard but harder to prove to judges.
How do you only have 132k subscribers? It blows my mind the amount of fresh air you bring to the content creation scene. Genuinely enjoy every single new video you drop and appreciate the level of transparency you offer.
I was thinking guy wouldve just made an edgy joke that got fed attention, wasnt expecting him to have made a lengthy and explicit threat giving a tangible target and a personal identifier. Guy did every single thing to get yourself imprisoned lmao
@@keomg4718 the charges are stupid, and I think this video was more to contemplate the philosophy of the issue more so than the legality, but the guy definitely fell square on the mark for what gets you put away.
@@Steven-cf1ty I put an extremely lengthy comment already, but I will say, he plead guilty, and I think the alleged lies of "Jane" are a huge deal. Hearing testimony that Josh was building explosives... I really can't disagree with the sentence. With the knowledge the it was probably lies and the prosecutor had ties to the case, hindsight makes it seem really bad, but the judge didn't know those things. Honestly I don't know much about the story outside of this video but I wish he would have made it clear when Josh got those text messages that were shown.
@@simpsondr12 I got them years ago, 2017, when I first got out of prison she contacted me. One girlfriend was directly contradicted on the stand and the other blatantly told me why she lied, which I proved in text messages. Also, I absolutely 100% guarantee you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the judge knew about the whole situation with the prosecutor's daughter - they made a big point NOT to have that lawyer write any motions about me, or I could have flagged it for conflict of interest. I saw your long comment and it's alright to disagree, though I will say that you said you've never seen anyone say that before online - there's another guy who did it in this video! Elonis vs. United States was a similar case and set a Supreme Court precedent. I have never claimed, nor did g0at, that what I did was "okay" or that I shouldn't have gotten in trouble, that's not the point. The point is that the Feds will do this, they will destroy individuals lives with lies and demonstrably FALSE testimony if it makes them appear to be tackling important issues. I became a scapegoat in a net way bigger than myself, because I said something EXTREMELY STUPID (never have denied that) when I was 19. Counseling could have done me wonders, some therapy, maybe some medication and community service, but instead of going that route, they decided to try and prove I was going to do something that I was absolutely never going to do. If the GF's testimony holds so much weight to you, why did the prosecutors have to admit that I had NONE of the stuff she said I had? There were no pipes in my house. No gasoline, no nails, literally nothing. Both of their stories were completely false with TONS of evidence that they were lying. If you choose to reject that because I said something dumb when I was 19, well, I understand that you yourself have never said things like that, but not everybody is you. I learned that the hard way in this case as I've seen time and time again that some people simply won't forgive a person for doing something ignorant in their youth, no matter how much they apologize or demonstrate change. There are lots of people like that in these comments, but that's okay - everybody saying I "definitely deserved to do time" has never done a day in jail, they don't get to have an opinion on what's worthy of being locked up. Nothing wrong with asking for clarity or expressing skepticism though; critical thinking is a wonderful skill to have, and I don't take offense to what you've said. Hope you have a good day.
And yet a total degenerate, animal abusing psychopath on 4chan threatening to do harm to people, who even got called out by people on 4chan for being an absolute freak, and despite the warnings from his neighbors to the authorities, shot 3 people dead a week ago. (in the Netherlands, where mass shootings happen maybe once a decade, not every week.) What happened to Josh and Justin has more to do with prosecution going the Chinese route of "Kill the chicken to scare the monkey" which is deplorable.
I don't know, I totally agree that Justin shouldn't have been put in jail, but Josh... I just think if I was in the position of the judge, and I heard he was making explosives, and threatening a specific school.. I wouldn't want to live if I let him get out and kill people. As you mention a lot of times red flags are ignored and terrible things happen.
@@simpsondr12 there’s a difference between ignoring red flags and straight up ignoring and even falsifying evidence. The amount of times something was overruled for arbitrary reasons even when presented with something that contradicted previous statements was weird.
@benjaminmorris4962While your argument is valid as a statement, it's still kind of moot given that the numbers are indeed still ridiculously out of proportion if you look at the entirety of Europe, or better yet, extrapolate a country's statistics to match population size (because of differing legislations). The results show that even though Americans tend to get angry about this, strict gun control laws directly correlate with less mass shootings, gun violence and fatal violence in general.
As a fan of Josh from him going on PKA and having played some RuneScape myself, he’s a really nice dude who I’m glad went through it and became far FAR less of a knucklehead than he was as a kid. Also he can tell stories from prison that are funny as hell. Glad to see you have him on and I’ll be watching the premiere!
This is one of yer best mate, fair play for shining a light on it, alot of ppl think you can only be locked up if yer guilty but it just doesn't work like that
That initial chat that started the whole story is a prime example of why you "don't feed the trolls". Yes the stuff Josh said in that chat was bad and if serious, should 100% have been investigated as a serious threat, but look at the person he was chatting with, look at what he was saying. Arguably, he's an even worse person, a professional troll who was egging him on the whole time by insulting him and belittling him, all so he could set him to say something incriminating in order to then report it to the police. Basically, a form of early swatting by trying to goad Josh into saying something incriminating that he could ruin his life over. Absolute scumbag, and that's why you don't interact with someone trying to "bully" you online, you'll only feed them. Just call them pathetic and move on.
@@1TieDye1 cmon dude... look at the stuff he was typing, on top of that, we know he reported it to the police, which is just the obvious proof that he was trying to entrap him, otherwise why report it in the first place, esp when it's just a stupid internet beef? I mean also the chat makes him look just as bad. This is just like when middle schoolers get a kid they don't like to say a curse word and then they turn around and tells the teacher what they just said to get him in trouble, it's childish rat behavior.
I'm glad I was recommended your tws vids and hearing from Mario. The best statement I heard was, contact your local ACLU even if you don't agree with them nationally the local lawyers are actually trying to work for you. I'll hold onto that for a long time.
Wow. This is some serious investigative work here. Not sure how your videos havent won some award or recognition to the algorithim gods. The time and effort you put in really shows, thanks for the excellent content man.
I know it just a filter but the effect of your lawyer having a bookshelf background instead of a plaster wall or something outdoors or silly is pretty impressive.
To be honest, it gives conflicting feelings to like a video like this. I love the work you do and the quality you bring to it. But what the video is about is crazy to me. Living in the Netherlands I am quite shocked that stuff like this is even possible.. Amazing work again g0at! In my opinion you are a G0AT on UA-cam. You give anyone a chance to tell their side of a story and give them a chance at public redemption. Your work is not silly sensationalism, this is true journalistic quality content. Thank you for working so hard and putting in such high-quality content! You seem like a genuinely good/exemplary human! I admire your character.
Been a while since a video has me so distraught. Most reasonable people, myself included, agree that threats of violence should be taken seriously and, in some cases, punished. But getting r**ed is a punishment that does not fit the crime.
Hard to feel bad for a dude who makes jokes about killing kids. And you know what, a parent in denial is exactly why columbine happened. The parents refused to acknowledge that their kids were shitty.
Amazing vid. I'll admit I saw this earlier and didn't click because of all the noise on this subject. Then I realized it was your vid and immediately clicked. Was not disappointed. Amazing breakdown. Fantastic work researching everything and verifying sources. Overall exactly the right analysis of the situations. I think there is a term where a judgement has a 'chilling effect' on society. This is absolutely an example of it. This felt targeted and manipulated so that they could have the precedent to toss anyone they want in jail for saying hollow threats.
Josh Pillault is great. Started watching him not long after he got out and pretty sure I still sub to the guy. Real genuine dude and a fking shame what had happened to him man.
Great learning video and awesome journalism. We all need little luck to survive this internet age and it proves that the Law need to be updated yearly !
As a person who listens to Eminem, i understand why josh was in jail. Just because he was young and dumb doesn't mean that he couldn't of done what he said he would. Maybe going to jail made him grow up. While watching this, i could see the possibility of him doing it. A substance abusing young man with a violent mindset, who has a mom who coddled him. And this video kept adding more layers the more i watched. Thank you for locking him up.
This is my first time coming across your channel and encouraged me to go through the rest of your videos. I'm impressed, the amount of research and earnest journalism that goes into these high quality videos is impressive,that too from a man that worked in a completely different field. A bit late,but congrats winning the case,and kuddos to your lawyer
Exactly. I was really hoping that the lawyer at the end would hammer this point home as much as possible. While rationally it makes every kind of sense to just talk and explain the perceived misunderstanding this urge needs to be completely squashed. Nothing you say to the cops can ever help, it can only hurt.
If you live in the U.S.A and make "joking" comments about mass murder, im sorry, but i just dont care if you go to jail for 6 years or whatever it was. Its not THAT hard to never joke about such a thing. I mean, I've been lucky so far and never joked about mass murdering people, but any day, i could lose my ability to restrain myself because it truly is THAT hard not to. Like FFS, you know the climate of these events and the pain it brings to thousands of families. Stop being so selfish and self-absorbed to think you deserve the right to joke about peopls despair and NOT get repercussions. Just grow the Fūćƙ up, get some empathy, and joke about something not so evil (if you even can).
I've grown up in these sorts of environments. I've said some of the most horrible shit on the internet. But I don't think the argument that someone that grew up in the same environment would save Josh or perceive it as a joke. There's a certain threshold nobody crosses.
Damn, the algorithm must have hit this video hard due to the subject matter, didn’t see it til just now. But what a well done piece of journalism. It’s rough what both of them said, but damn that second guy really went through worse than what the crime deserved. Did what they say deserve to be investigated, 100%. Should it maybe be criminal, a good argument could be made for it honestly. But 6 fucking years, somebodies life destroyed for having a gamer moment…… I just think probation and maybe saying “hey no guns for you” would be good enough.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, especially when you sit down with investigators without legal representation, something I try to constantly instill in my students in my government and law courses. I've consumed and enjoyed almost all of your content for quite some time, and I appreciate the deep dive you engage in as a journalist with a fact-positive investigation approach to almost all your videos. I listened to your entire episode, and I realize this is not a common opinion shared here, but I really think this topic is pandering to a male video gamer following (as seen from the almost entirety of comment section). It also provided a large platform for people discussing their use of "fighting words" to minimalize the impact of speech (as noted by the lawyer) in already a lax country on curtailing speech while they try to advance their goals of expanding their follower base of their streaming platforms. Although I appreciated the fact you tried to reach out to other parties, the outcome of having a one sided prospective of the alleged perpetrators sharing their stores with almost no context to the validity from anyone in these cases including but not limited to their lawyers, investigators, prosecutors, or victims beyond your research minimalized this topic. I kept wanting to hear someone involved here defend why they got these sentences or why they admitting to their crimes (although falsely from the prospective of another). This is literally the story of every single minority accused of a nonviolent drug charge. I did appreciate your critique of our legal system/prison system which has a difficulty adapting to the modern world and modern standards, and also showing a real bad guy or two who have done horrible things, that at least kept me going. I hope for growth in your channel as you expand into more journalism, but I'm telling you women and the greater society is not going to find much sympathy for videos of guys calling their ex's crazy who have restraining orders against them, making death threats of schools, and giving sympathy to a man engaging in online bullying of women. A direct comparison, was that of your coverage of sue, which was also an outstanding job done, but you see a far wider set of feedback and interest there if you catch my drift.
Thank you for this comment! This video was probably not for me as you mentioned above, but just thinking about it from the ex’s perspective- Imagine finding out someone you dated had provided a time, place and stated that they were planing to acquire weapons…and then being pressured/blackmailed by the prosecutors to testify against a man who now laughingly admits that he was manipulating you to the point that you weren’t actually able to think clearly about providing him with substances…and years later being painted as a lying ex who is the reason for such a harsh punishment by a man who wrote down his fantasy about killing you while he was in prison. The jokes about exs having a playbook and the comment about not having an ex gf if you don’t want to go to jail for explicit threats of violence are wild. I believe that the justice system is incredibly flawed and I believe that the number of non violent people incarcerated in America is indefensible. But I don’t find their statements defensible either, even from a shock humor/edge lord perspective and as they are explicit threats of violence, I find it difficult to excuse, I also appreciate your point about the one-sided nature of this video. I just came from the Columbine video on the other channel and that discussion on how those victims were failed by the police and justice department excusing felony behavior and giving them a deferment instead of jail time. It makes me wonder how do you judge if someone is serious and will go through with their threat or is just an edge lord moron on the internet? Genuinely how?
@@Eleosx Thank you both for these comments. As a former educator and now coroner I was disturbed by the general consensus of this video. Even in the text chain which paints her as a "lying ex" is textbook manipulation on the part of Josh. First of all, we do not get the text chain in it's entire context, rather only the portion that Josh saved and shared. Then, within that very exchange Josh repeatedly offers to marry her in exchange for her to affirm the storyline he wants affirmed. Josh had no intention of marrying her, and during the time of this exchange I very much doubt he loved her much less respected her. Rather I think it's clear that he was using her much the same way he admits to using her in the past. But instead using her to supply him with cash, drugs, and alcohol he is now sullying her name and reputation in order to defend his own indefensible actions. My jaw dropped at 14:15 "But why would jane testify against Josh allegedly, according to Josh. Jane was dating the prosecutors son and to make matters worse Jane was a legal adult having turned 18 but her boyfriend the prosecutors son was underage." Everything about this seems highly improbable. First we need to believe that Jane needs an ulterior motive to testify against Josh. I don't see why that is the case. Secondly we need to believe that Jane happens to be dating the prosecutors son and that the prosecutor knows about this. Sure that is technically possible but highly improbable. Then the claim that janes new boyfriend was a minor. Well what is considered a minor in Texas? According to the law it is illegal to have sex with someone who is 14 to 17-years-old if you are more than 3 years older then them. This would mean that the prosecutors son was 10-14 years old at the time they were dating. Then we are supposed to believe that a prosecutor in the state of Texas chose to protect and hide the crimes of a drug addicted pedophile who was actively pursuing there own child in order to convict some male gamer? Josh is open and honest about being a pathological liar in the past. But I seriously doubt that he has completely reformed his way. There is a very plausible scenario in which this troubled young man fascinated with violence, chronically online, coddled by his mother, and addicted to various substances does in fact do what he says he is going to do. In that instance the arresting officer, investigator, prosecutor, and judge have to live with the fact that they saw every warning sign and simply did nothing.
@@coles11q I apologize my memory of this video is a bit fuzzy and I don’t want to watch it again. But I agree with your assessment. He admitted to manipulating her, gives examples of the manipulation and explicitly lies to her about his intentions. He had nothing but contempt for her from the beginning and I do remember feeling as though I didn’t have all the information regarding how exactly he ended up actually being held accountable for his words. Also being horrified that he crafted a kill list+fantasized about it while incarcerated. I’ve since fallen down the true crime rabbit hole and a heartbreakingly large number of cases include documented threats, in which perpetrators state what they will do to their victims but the police don’t take it seriously, and it ends in tragedy. I wouldn’t be comfortable being the person responsible for protecting the rights of an individual while also protecting the public from said individual, especially when they have verbalized threats, including a time/place/method of enacting violence against others. Thank you for sharing your perspective! It’s gratifying to know there are other people who also saw issues within the video!
I like Josh, I followed him for years now. What happened to him was very predictable, he was a troubled teen, being raised by a single parent. Everyone knew he had a substance abuse problem, they just didn't seem to know how to help him in Oxford Mississippi. As a youngster he learned to be a good con man, that didn't help with his problem at 19 years old. His prosecutor didn't care about his well being, the only thing his prosecutor cared about was WINNING (Not write or wrong) The Judge didn't care about Josh, he only cared about his own position in life. When Josh pleaded guilty, he had a "Public Defender" (You get what you pay for). Going to jail and prison only caused Josh to trade his old problems for a whole new set of problems. He reads, and because of that he's more educated now than he was before prison. He can't change what happened to him because of going to prison or being a convicted felon because of his guilty plea. (No appeal's if you plead guilty) Hid tattoo's and his body modification tell the story of his life of pain. When other kids were growing up in the "free world" Josh had to grow up in jail and Federal Prison, designed for hardened criminals. Because of the gifts he has, he survived. God had mercy on him when the people that were supposed to protect him didn't. Something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life.
>It's still the first amendment! Well no. Threats are threats, they get treated seriously. Still watching the video and do suspect his punishment was overblown, but yeah, of course you get feds on you if you make elaborate and specific death threats. Finished the case breakdowns. Messy courts and BS. Definitely too far
I feel like at most he should have gotten a year in prison since he had 0 weapons at all, and if he also couldn't afford them then that further shows it was an empty threat. Giving him the year shows that even empty threats will be taken seriously which is good, but it isn't so long that it would ruin his life. I'd also hope it would be removed from his public record side to make sure he could go back to life and get jobs after getting out. IDK if that is a thing they can do or not
There was testimony that he was building pipe-bombs, and it isn't really that easy to judge whether he could afford them or not, he got money from his girlfriend. One year is no joke either, unless I misunderstood, Justin got less than a year, and he ended up much much worse than Josh.
@@simpsondr12 did you watch the video? One person's testimony with 0 actual evidence should never have been enough to triple his sentence. There was 0 mention that he even owned pipes or any other containers you would typically see used for them. Not to mention they found no weapons and no explosives. I'm all for putting people in prison for life when they're an actual threat to society, but this guy deserved 3 years at max and i only say 3 years because he was struggling with addiction before hand. But ignoring that it should have been 2 years. The normal sentence time for his crimes
@@zebraloverbridget It's against the law to add time to a prison sentence on the grounds that the person is an addict who needs time to "get clean," which my judge actually did, despite it being illegal. It's called a "Tapia Violation." Being an addict doesn't mean you should have your freedom taken away, that's horribly cold blooded to think somehow prison (which makes you a felon, which makes it impossible to rent in a nice area or find a good job btw) would help someone break addiction. My addiction got WORSE during part of my prison sentence - not a single jail or prison I ever slept at was free of drugs. The cost was what varied, but everything was on the menu. And I don't say that to argue with you, I say that to ask you to pause and really consider it. How much prison time have you done? Do you know what it's like? Are you an addict? What positive things could happen from an addict being forcibly removed from society to "cure his addiction?" It's been tried and has failed, unfortunately.
@@JoshPillault i said it because the man himself literally said it was good for him. 🤦♂️ Never once said it should apply to everyone. Go touch some grass or improve your reading skills
I was well aware of your channel in your Tarkov days and watched the odd Tarkov video of yours. Then the wiggle happened and your name was everywhere and I thought, "he's going to become the next Pestily", just not with Christmas drops. Then you did a weird thing and completely pivoted from gaming to journalism. Pictures often speak more than words but alas. I have, since your pivot, watched every single video you released and thoroughly enjoyed each one. You have a knack for investigative journalism and also for presenting your findings in a way that's captivating but not constantly pulling on our heartstrings. Facts and information before emotion is something I very much appreciate. I have a feeling you had to cut quite a bit of content from this one, aside from the heavy audio editing, to get it up on UA-cam and not get demonetized, which sucks. Do you script and edit your videos how you want to present the story and then cut end censor them after, to get them on to UA-cam, or do you already incorporate those factors during scripting and editing? Because if you do, you could maybe upload the non-censored version to something like Playeur or BitChute and direct people there, to get the version as you intended it - a directors cut if you will. I know, there isn't much viewership on those platforms but this isn't just about viewership, this is also about journalistic freedom and creative freedom. I know some gun tubers, Forgotten Weapons and inRange to name two, upload censored versions to UA-cam and then direct people to the uncensored version on Playeur because they write and edit how they believe the story should be told and not how some tech oligarch thinks it should be told. Just a thought. Anyways, thanks for another great story that well deserved telling.
Thanks for the comment. I thnk if I consistently coverd content that would get censored in this way, I would totally be looking for a place to put it, like Patreon or something. I censored myself in about 5 passes. Some early on and some at the end. I had a whole section on Dylan's journals and the Library 911 call. I know that if I had included that portion this video would be ages restricted and thus dead in the water. I wasn't worried about monetization, it's just that when videos get nerfed by YT in that way they don't perform well.
Good god, the legal system was horrifying in so many levels; yeah, you definitely need to watch what you say anywhere you're at whether in person or online, but you also DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THE COPS. They are not your friends and they are only out to convict you.
I am glad I was shown young that when it comes to the People, the State, and the Systems that they run, context won’t save you. I had a couple experiences in Grade School and Middle School and I knew that these people would do whatever they wanted with me if I let them. I learned in many small ways how little power I had, with little injustices that I wouldn’t be heard on. So I knew that’s how it goes with compulsory education. It’s that way up and down the system. It didn’t help me learn to be better. But it did teach me I was never ever going to let them have anything. I would never write anything about how miserable I was. Never talk about it. Never leave anything that was up for interpretation. Trust no one. Not even with a word. Which didn’t make me less dangerous to myself or others. It didn’t make my hatred of that system better. Or work through it. It made it worse. Me more unstable. There were four or five small incidents, that made it clear if I gave them anything at all about how much I hated being there, in that system, it would get worse. The things I hated about it would follow me home. Would be involved in my whole life. That all the worst control mechanisms it had only got worse. That the Criminal System was worse, and if I in some way did something worthy of their attention the apparatus would merge. That School would never end and it merely follow me forever. I would’ve died first. But I certainly didn’t tell anyone that. The worst I ever did, was fantasize about how to get out of School. I wondered if the School burned down if I wouldn’t have to go back. I never considered doing it myself. But hoped for something to make it so I didn’t have to go back. I used to draw. I drew a burning school house. In retrospect it was a cry for help. It was overlooked for maybe half a year. Then one teacher who was a coach saw it. This guy said flat out he was going to punish the class for individual offenders in the beginning. He wanted me to do a packet of homework I’d never finished. He was trying to figure out a way to make me do it. He saw the drawing on a sheet, said he could construe it as a threat against the school. I admitted to nothing. The threat was clear, he could turn this into trouble. Or I could finish this packet. He had separated me from the class so he had to go check on them. The drawing on the table with the rest of the work. It was in pencil. I immediately drew over the whole picture with a shading technique, erased it all, and went back to what I was doing. He came back and saw it, but I would’ve lied. I admitted to nothing. I would not be under that. It was from then I learned there was no help. I could gain nothing via expression of it. That I needed to protect myself and it’s as simple as some dill weeds interpretation of a drawing. There were other lessons. Frankly I’m thankful though. If I hadn’t learned that lesson early, I might’ve done something stupid like one of these guys. I would’ve… Not done well. I mean I would’ve rather died. I made it through School. Without help. I never did anything that was obvious to relate my despair. After years I’m in a place that is much healthier. In a way I thank them for showing me a path of deeper despair than the one I was on. In seeing how bad it would be if the system had more power over me. I’m glad I learned before I was one of these guys. I was only a danger to myself, but I saw how much more terrible things would’ve been if they got me to share any of it. So I never gave them the option.
These threats of self or other people harm are taken EXTREMELY seriously by game studios, I did customer service for one of the big studios and we had a crisis cell dedicated to these incidents active 24H, authorities are notified in the first sign of serious danger. Stay safe guys, the internet isn't as anonymous as it used to be.
@@Furebel There is something called legal liability and non help for a person threatening to do that thing. Trust me if they didn't have to do it by law, they'll never do 😉
@@bobkoroua Is there a reason you can give, or...? "Most ex commonwealth countries" is pretty funny to me. Don't allow defendants to have lawyers during interrogations, allow many less jury trials.. there's two things off the top of my head that are worse than America's laws.
@@simpsondr12 Is that the whole justice system? You pick on one aspect that you feel negates my expressed opinion. I could ask you about the prosecution bringing charges they 100% know they will never get a conviction on in order to force someone to take a plea deal. I don't need to justify my contention having lived in many countries including the UK, France , Norway, and Sweden and spent time in a lot more countries including America, I know in which country INHABITANTS have told me God help you if you fall foul of the legal system, hint there were a lot of fast food outlets and everyone called them restaurants 😜
I don't know about the validity of his sentencing but if someone thinks it's funny to terrorize other people, if only mentally or not, maybe they need a time out.
This story is what really pisses me off about the FBI. they throw the book at Josh because of a joke threat (not saying they shouldnt have investigated but they should have determined he wasnt serious) yet them and police get warnings about the columbine shooters and the Parkland shooter before those shootings occurred and they didnt do jack shit
sorry, having a hard time as to how someone could say "he was not serious". he has incredible mental issues, bordering on signs of aspd, namely psychopathy, while making threats of taking dozens with him. are you sane, my man? you dont see a problem here?
Wow those chat logs are insane. Dudes like "Pull the trigger puss", then 5 seconds later our protagonist says his school's name and the other dude immediately goes "Reported". Like these chat logs isn't just normal puberty kids being edgelords, that person egging him on has some serious mental issues. He should have gotten the same sentence as well...
Dude, my jaw dropped when you talked about verifying the phone numbers, that's some next level journalism. Beautiful job and thank you sharing the story - the case, for me, has always been more about what lengths the Feds will go to to get a conviction more than me and my individual story, so this broad spectrum covering a lot of angles is perfect. Thank you so much.
I want everyone to know that Josh was extremely transparent with me when I interviewed him. He provided a lot of information that he didn't have to. Some of it made it into the video and it really helped tell the story. I hope everyone can go check out what he's up to theses days and support him in any way they can.
Cheers!
Hey josh im so glAd youre doing better
Look what they did to that guy that just memed 12 years.
See you in osrs, I follow bouth channels and love u guys
ive followed josh for a while. great guitarist and great rs player lol. crazy shit that happened forsure but not deserved
The takeaway here is, of course, to never, ever talk to the cops.
If you ever get arrested don't sign anything and don't say anything without a lawyer. If they say they can't get one in that is an absolute lie. Remember they're there to get a conviction NOT to help you so don't help them in any way.
or just dont threaten to shoot kids at your school, no one can say for sure or not if he would have went through with something like what he talked about
@@Aldarion65 Having some degree of self-control? We don't do that around here. Cops bad >:(
feels like the takeaway is don't talk about school bang bangs and bang bang others
The Supreme Court says you have to talk to them to communicate your desire for council. So you talk to them but your vocabulary is limited to "Lawyer" "now" and possibly "right" and "fucking".
So you can evolve from "Lawyer....Lawyer" to "Lawyer now....lawyer now" to "lawyer Right now" to "lawyer right fucking now"
Just so the record shows exactly when and how badly they violated your sixth amendment rights so you can poison that whole fuckin tree.
Incredible work. Like Josh said, your investigative work to confirm his ex's phone number was GOOD.
Wow love the advertisement. That was very thoughtful.
Your bad joke at 3:42 was great. That illustrates some of the tension on the issues here.
Really, really well done. Except that guy at the end no fucking clue wtf he was on about.
The second story really broke my heart. His experience really terrified me as a 41 year old man. I can't imagine being a young adult going through that.
I tried to warn my realtives with kids, keep them off the internet, they will say some dumb thing that will get them cancelled in 10 years.
Never ever under any circumstances talk to the cops. Especially not without a lawyer.
It's scarry how evil the US justice system is.
I live 3 mile's from the Travis country jail. I had no clue It was like that. never had to spend time in there even tho I've lived next to it for 11 year's. And the air port is right next to it to.
@@Mikesusendsadasdc
I’m a woman, and I was arrested and taken to del valley before being transferred off to the holding facility before breaking chain and being sent off to the feds. And let me tell you, the part where he said he got to put his real clothes on with hopes of going home is 1000% accurate 😂😂😂
I didn’t know about the assault thing, I would’ve gotten my ass whooped before giving anything up.
Great way to tell the story great video!!! Josh like me went too far but i totally understand his mindset. Thanks for talking about my story in a tasteful way. - justin carter
NO FUCKING WAY Justin. Glad to see you around. Fuck the feds and judges
Just got to the phone number part. Holy crap. Everybody else on UA-cam is messing around making videos that follow the trends to make money, but you are doing ACTUAL WORK. I know there are other people in the world that do this work, but I haven't ever seen them on UA-cam before. Your channel is incredible, keep it up!
What? Coffeezilla and so many more on UA-cam do the exact same.
@@hoodie_bron Not many more, they're pretty rare, which is why they're so respected. Coffee is one of them. Another one is Oki's Weird Stories, which is personally my favorite documentarian.
@@viderevero1338 yes actually there are plenty of channels who do the same thing. Please stop. The amount of channels that do documentaries similar to them and the amount of work they do isn’t a small amount so what are you even talking about? I wouldn’t have said it if it wasn’t true. Do some searching and you’ll find plenty of channels putting in the same type of effort but some have less resources
People who comment this crap actually nedd to go outside
@@0008loser Username checks out.
I have seen this covered a lot on UA-cam by various creators, but you had a FANTASTIC entry into this story with a lot of new information. Really great work, excited for this channel.
I love all of your content - zero bad takes, all extremely well executed in my opinion. I saw a new vid from you and was excited, but then read the title. Runescape was the only computer game I played/play before tarkov and thought it was going to be a cringy wash&repeat. Josh's story has been extensively covered and I did not want my first bad impression of you to come from my nostalgic escape.
I apologize for my ignorance haha. I should've known you'd blow it out of the water again with the best coverage of his story so far. Good shit man. I hope this does numbers and reaches.
Just don't watch his documentary about Sue Klebold.....
Never talk to cops, always request a lawyer and that’s IT
This story is horrifying on so many levels. If these claims are ignored then horrible things are possible however figuring out who's a troll and who's a threat is not only hard but harder to prove to judges.
Found you because of the wiggle stayed for the smooth voice and fantastic journalism
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Keep up the great work my dude !
I’ll watch the full vid but my first reaction is “For playing RuneScape? Isn’t that time served?”
getting the lawyer to come on stream and talk law was a huge flex. you can tell you both know whats up. thank you for providing this content
How do you only have 132k subscribers? It blows my mind the amount of fresh air you bring to the content creation scene. Genuinely enjoy every single new video you drop and appreciate the level of transparency you offer.
because he is not very accurate in his research
I was thinking guy wouldve just made an edgy joke that got fed attention, wasnt expecting him to have made a lengthy and explicit threat giving a tangible target and a personal identifier. Guy did every single thing to get yourself imprisoned lmao
yeah is all bullshit, for atention so he can inflate his dying channel. Dude was 100% on the wrong
@@keomg4718 the charges are stupid, and I think this video was more to contemplate the philosophy of the issue more so than the legality, but the guy definitely fell square on the mark for what gets you put away.
@@Steven-cf1ty I put an extremely lengthy comment already, but I will say, he plead guilty, and I think the alleged lies of "Jane" are a huge deal. Hearing testimony that Josh was building explosives... I really can't disagree with the sentence. With the knowledge the it was probably lies and the prosecutor had ties to the case, hindsight makes it seem really bad, but the judge didn't know those things. Honestly I don't know much about the story outside of this video but I wish he would have made it clear when Josh got those text messages that were shown.
@@simpsondr12 I got them years ago, 2017, when I first got out of prison she contacted me. One girlfriend was directly contradicted on the stand and the other blatantly told me why she lied, which I proved in text messages. Also, I absolutely 100% guarantee you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the judge knew about the whole situation with the prosecutor's daughter - they made a big point NOT to have that lawyer write any motions about me, or I could have flagged it for conflict of interest. I saw your long comment and it's alright to disagree, though I will say that you said you've never seen anyone say that before online - there's another guy who did it in this video! Elonis vs. United States was a similar case and set a Supreme Court precedent. I have never claimed, nor did g0at, that what I did was "okay" or that I shouldn't have gotten in trouble, that's not the point. The point is that the Feds will do this, they will destroy individuals lives with lies and demonstrably FALSE testimony if it makes them appear to be tackling important issues. I became a scapegoat in a net way bigger than myself, because I said something EXTREMELY STUPID (never have denied that) when I was 19. Counseling could have done me wonders, some therapy, maybe some medication and community service, but instead of going that route, they decided to try and prove I was going to do something that I was absolutely never going to do. If the GF's testimony holds so much weight to you, why did the prosecutors have to admit that I had NONE of the stuff she said I had? There were no pipes in my house. No gasoline, no nails, literally nothing. Both of their stories were completely false with TONS of evidence that they were lying. If you choose to reject that because I said something dumb when I was 19, well, I understand that you yourself have never said things like that, but not everybody is you. I learned that the hard way in this case as I've seen time and time again that some people simply won't forgive a person for doing something ignorant in their youth, no matter how much they apologize or demonstrate change. There are lots of people like that in these comments, but that's okay - everybody saying I "definitely deserved to do time" has never done a day in jail, they don't get to have an opinion on what's worthy of being locked up.
Nothing wrong with asking for clarity or expressing skepticism though; critical thinking is a wonderful skill to have, and I don't take offense to what you've said. Hope you have a good day.
man, I gotta say I do love these sorts of longer documentary style videos, keep it up g0at!
@joshpillault Stoked AF to see g0at covering this. much love brother!
And yet a total degenerate, animal abusing psychopath on 4chan threatening to do harm to people, who even got called out by people on 4chan for being an absolute freak, and despite the warnings from his neighbors to the authorities, shot 3 people dead a week ago. (in the Netherlands, where mass shootings happen maybe once a decade, not every week.)
What happened to Josh and Justin has more to do with prosecution going the Chinese route of "Kill the chicken to scare the monkey" which is deplorable.
I don't know, I totally agree that Justin shouldn't have been put in jail, but Josh... I just think if I was in the position of the judge, and I heard he was making explosives, and threatening a specific school.. I wouldn't want to live if I let him get out and kill people. As you mention a lot of times red flags are ignored and terrible things happen.
@@simpsondr12 there’s a difference between ignoring red flags and straight up ignoring and even falsifying evidence. The amount of times something was overruled for arbitrary reasons even when presented with something that contradicted previous statements was weird.
@benjaminmorris4962While your argument is valid as a statement, it's still kind of moot given that the numbers are indeed still ridiculously out of proportion if you look at the entirety of Europe, or better yet, extrapolate a country's statistics to match population size (because of differing legislations). The results show that even though Americans tend to get angry about this, strict gun control laws directly correlate with less mass shootings, gun violence and fatal violence in general.
@@Nitidus Stop making sense and having a good argument with advice that should be taken seriously. Your opinions are too valid.
@benjaminmorris4962 How ignorant are you?
As a fan of Josh from him going on PKA and having played some RuneScape myself, he’s a really nice dude who I’m glad went through it and became far FAR less of a knucklehead than he was as a kid. Also he can tell stories from prison that are funny as hell. Glad to see you have him on and I’ll be watching the premiere!
This is one of yer best mate, fair play for shining a light on it, alot of ppl think you can only be locked up if yer guilty but it just doesn't work like that
This guys story is wild!!!!
Thanks!
Ty my dude!
Love your videos! Keep up with the journalism❤
The irony of prison is that the people who truly deserve to be there thrive, and predate on the people who don't.
That initial chat that started the whole story is a prime example of why you "don't feed the trolls". Yes the stuff Josh said in that chat was bad and if serious, should 100% have been investigated as a serious threat, but look at the person he was chatting with, look at what he was saying. Arguably, he's an even worse person, a professional troll who was egging him on the whole time by insulting him and belittling him, all so he could set him to say something incriminating in order to then report it to the police. Basically, a form of early swatting by trying to goad Josh into saying something incriminating that he could ruin his life over. Absolute scumbag, and that's why you don't interact with someone trying to "bully" you online, you'll only feed them. Just call them pathetic and move on.
Why do you think the person he was interacting with had the goal of getting him to say something incriminating?
@@1TieDye1 cmon dude... look at the stuff he was typing, on top of that, we know he reported it to the police, which is just the obvious proof that he was trying to entrap him, otherwise why report it in the first place, esp when it's just a stupid internet beef? I mean also the chat makes him look just as bad. This is just like when middle schoolers get a kid they don't like to say a curse word and then they turn around and tells the teacher what they just said to get him in trouble, it's childish rat behavior.
Imagine being in jail for joking about killing people and then writing about killing people while still in jail.
now that AI listens and reads in game conversations we will se a lot more of these cases
Holy f*** dude I just found this channel and watched 5 videos at work (overnights) there is hope in journalism…instant sub!
I'm glad I was recommended your tws vids and hearing from Mario. The best statement I heard was, contact your local ACLU even if you don't agree with them nationally the local lawyers are actually trying to work for you. I'll hold onto that for a long time.
You hired people? Bruh… you’re legit 👀
Wow. This is some serious investigative work here. Not sure how your videos havent won some award or recognition to the algorithim gods. The time and effort you put in really shows, thanks for the excellent content man.
I know it just a filter but the effect of your lawyer having a bookshelf background instead of a plaster wall or something outdoors or silly is pretty impressive.
Investigative journalism at it's finest. Kudos, keep fighting the good fight brother.
To be honest, it gives conflicting feelings to like a video like this. I love the work you do and the quality you bring to it. But what the video is about is crazy to me.
Living in the Netherlands I am quite shocked that stuff like this is even possible..
Amazing work again g0at! In my opinion you are a G0AT on UA-cam. You give anyone a chance to tell their side of a story and give them a chance at public redemption.
Your work is not silly sensationalism, this is true journalistic quality content. Thank you for working so hard and putting in such high-quality content! You seem like a genuinely good/exemplary human! I admire your character.
23:55 “when they went in and looted it”
Bro is a gamer 100% 😂😂😂
Cheers!
I feel like my man just compiled enough evidence to sue for wrongful emprisonment of at least 5 years of his sentence
His PKA appearances made me a fan, would be cool to see goat on PKA
ive followed josh for a while. great guitarist and great rs player lol. crazy shit that happened forsure but not deserved
Been a while since a video has me so distraught. Most reasonable people, myself included, agree that threats of violence should be taken seriously and, in some cases, punished. But getting r**ed is a punishment that does not fit the crime.
maybe dont f aroun if you dont want to find out.
Great video!! Very informative and the way you put forward the information is really easy to digest.
if that judge could hear what we were sayin on xbox live back in the day shiii... i 110% wouldnt be here right now typing
Great video G0at!
Hard to feel bad for a dude who makes jokes about killing kids.
And you know what, a parent in denial is exactly why columbine happened. The parents refused to acknowledge that their kids were shitty.
Amazing vid. I'll admit I saw this earlier and didn't click because of all the noise on this subject. Then I realized it was your vid and immediately clicked. Was not disappointed.
Amazing breakdown. Fantastic work researching everything and verifying sources.
Overall exactly the right analysis of the situations.
I think there is a term where a judgement has a 'chilling effect' on society. This is absolutely an example of it. This felt targeted and manipulated so that they could have the precedent to toss anyone they want in jail for saying hollow threats.
UA-cam has not been giving me your videos but now I have a bunch to catch up on. 🐐
Fuck yea dude. Saving this to watch after work
9:14 THROAT BUBBLE AHHHH
Josh Pillault is great. Started watching him not long after he got out and pretty sure I still sub to the guy. Real genuine dude and a fking shame what had happened to him man.
Great learning video and awesome journalism. We all need little luck to survive this internet age and it proves that the Law need to be updated yearly !
Honestly you're pretty incredible. As a long time runescape player (osrs) and new fan of yours I just wanna say- Hats off to you sir. Great content.
As much as I do miss the Tarkov content I must say the replacement is absolutely phenomenal. Great work
Interesting stuff. Our legal system has so many flaws its rather terrifying.
Was hoping you’d get more views, I think some of the vocal content not quite getting censored probably flagged stuff. Good work on the video.
I really like your rigorous journalism, you lead me to reflect and pause, and tech me about worlds i know little about.
ngl this R3DFOX dude trolled him pretty good in the end
As a person who listens to Eminem, i understand why josh was in jail. Just because he was young and dumb doesn't mean that he couldn't of done what he said he would. Maybe going to jail made him grow up. While watching this, i could see the possibility of him doing it. A substance abusing young man with a violent mindset, who has a mom who coddled him. And this video kept adding more layers the more i watched. Thank you for locking him up.
This is my first time coming across your channel and encouraged me to go through the rest of your videos. I'm impressed, the amount of research and earnest journalism that goes into these high quality videos is impressive,that too from a man that worked in a completely different field.
A bit late,but congrats winning the case,and kuddos to your lawyer
This is great journalism, you could take this to a profession
in short, never cooperate with police, just ask for a lawyer and refuse to answer any question
Exactly. I was really hoping that the lawyer at the end would hammer this point home as much as possible.
While rationally it makes every kind of sense to just talk and explain the perceived misunderstanding this urge needs to be completely squashed.
Nothing you say to the cops can ever help, it can only hurt.
If you live in the U.S.A and make "joking" comments about mass murder, im sorry, but i just dont care if you go to jail for 6 years or whatever it was.
Its not THAT hard to never joke about such a thing. I mean, I've been lucky so far and never joked about mass murdering people, but any day, i could lose my ability to restrain myself because it truly is THAT hard not to.
Like FFS, you know the climate of these events and the pain it brings to thousands of families. Stop being so selfish and self-absorbed to think you deserve the right to joke about peopls despair and NOT get repercussions. Just grow the Fūćƙ up, get some empathy, and joke about something not so evil (if you even can).
This video needs way more views.
Surprised this video hasn't picked up more traction this is really interesting
it almost seems like the cops go "he´s got no gun ! we can lock him up!" o_0
the most offensive thing is how terrible his rhyme schemes are lmao
I always feel like I learn something new or have an important life lesson reinforced when I watch your videos. Thank you!
I've grown up in these sorts of environments. I've said some of the most horrible shit on the internet.
But I don't think the argument that someone that grew up in the same environment would save Josh or perceive it as a joke. There's a certain threshold nobody crosses.
The fact that Josh AT ALL feels indignant is wild lol
W00t w00t new g0at video for the win
What a story
Damn, the algorithm must have hit this video hard due to the subject matter, didn’t see it til just now. But what a well done piece of journalism. It’s rough what both of them said, but damn that second guy really went through worse than what the crime deserved. Did what they say deserve to be investigated, 100%. Should it maybe be criminal, a good argument could be made for it honestly. But 6 fucking years, somebodies life destroyed for having a gamer moment…… I just think probation and maybe saying “hey no guns for you” would be good enough.
This was great
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, especially when you sit down with investigators without legal representation, something I try to constantly instill in my students in my government and law courses. I've consumed and enjoyed almost all of your content for quite some time, and I appreciate the deep dive you engage in as a journalist with a fact-positive investigation approach to almost all your videos. I listened to your entire episode, and I realize this is not a common opinion shared here, but I really think this topic is pandering to a male video gamer following (as seen from the almost entirety of comment section). It also provided a large platform for people discussing their use of "fighting words" to minimalize the impact of speech (as noted by the lawyer) in already a lax country on curtailing speech while they try to advance their goals of expanding their follower base of their streaming platforms. Although I appreciated the fact you tried to reach out to other parties, the outcome of having a one sided prospective of the alleged perpetrators sharing their stores with almost no context to the validity from anyone in these cases including but not limited to their lawyers, investigators, prosecutors, or victims beyond your research minimalized this topic. I kept wanting to hear someone involved here defend why they got these sentences or why they admitting to their crimes (although falsely from the prospective of another). This is literally the story of every single minority accused of a nonviolent drug charge. I did appreciate your critique of our legal system/prison system which has a difficulty adapting to the modern world and modern standards, and also showing a real bad guy or two who have done horrible things, that at least kept me going. I hope for growth in your channel as you expand into more journalism, but I'm telling you women and the greater society is not going to find much sympathy for videos of guys calling their ex's crazy who have restraining orders against them, making death threats of schools, and giving sympathy to a man engaging in online bullying of women. A direct comparison, was that of your coverage of sue, which was also an outstanding job done, but you see a far wider set of feedback and interest there if you catch my drift.
Thank you for this comment! This video was probably not for me as you mentioned above, but just thinking about it from the ex’s perspective- Imagine finding out someone you dated had provided a time, place and stated that they were planing to acquire weapons…and then being pressured/blackmailed by the prosecutors to testify against a man who now laughingly admits that he was manipulating you to the point that you weren’t actually able to think clearly about providing him with substances…and years later being painted as a lying ex who is the reason for such a harsh punishment by a man who wrote down his fantasy about killing you while he was in prison. The jokes about exs having a playbook and the comment about not having an ex gf if you don’t want to go to jail for explicit threats of violence are wild.
I believe that the justice system is incredibly flawed and I believe that the number of non violent people incarcerated in America is indefensible. But I don’t find their statements defensible either, even from a shock humor/edge lord perspective and as they are explicit threats of violence, I find it difficult to excuse, I also appreciate your point about the one-sided nature of this video. I just came from the Columbine video on the other channel and that discussion on how those victims were failed by the police and justice department excusing felony behavior and giving them a deferment instead of jail time. It makes me wonder how do you judge if someone is serious and will go through with their threat or is just an edge lord moron on the internet? Genuinely how?
@@Eleosx Thank you both for these comments. As a former educator and now coroner I was disturbed by the general consensus of this video. Even in the text chain which paints her as a "lying ex" is textbook manipulation on the part of Josh. First of all, we do not get the text chain in it's entire context, rather only the portion that Josh saved and shared. Then, within that very exchange Josh repeatedly offers to marry her in exchange for her to affirm the storyline he wants affirmed. Josh had no intention of marrying her, and during the time of this exchange I very much doubt he loved her much less respected her. Rather I think it's clear that he was using her much the same way he admits to using her in the past. But instead using her to supply him with cash, drugs, and alcohol he is now sullying her name and reputation in order to defend his own indefensible actions.
My jaw dropped at 14:15 "But why would jane testify against Josh allegedly, according to Josh. Jane was dating the prosecutors son and to make matters worse Jane was a legal adult having turned 18 but her boyfriend the prosecutors son was underage." Everything about this seems highly improbable. First we need to believe that Jane needs an ulterior motive to testify against Josh. I don't see why that is the case. Secondly we need to believe that Jane happens to be dating the prosecutors son and that the prosecutor knows about this. Sure that is technically possible but highly improbable. Then the claim that janes new boyfriend was a minor. Well what is considered a minor in Texas? According to the law it is illegal to have sex with someone who is 14 to 17-years-old if you are more than 3 years older then them. This would mean that the prosecutors son was 10-14 years old at the time they were dating. Then we are supposed to believe that a prosecutor in the state of Texas chose to protect and hide the crimes of a drug addicted pedophile who was actively pursuing there own child in order to convict some male gamer? Josh is open and honest about being a pathological liar in the past. But I seriously doubt that he has completely reformed his way.
There is a very plausible scenario in which this troubled young man fascinated with violence, chronically online, coddled by his mother, and addicted to various substances does in fact do what he says he is going to do. In that instance the arresting officer, investigator, prosecutor, and judge have to live with the fact that they saw every warning sign and simply did nothing.
@@coles11q I apologize my memory of this video is a bit fuzzy and I don’t want to watch it again. But I agree with your assessment. He admitted to manipulating her, gives examples of the manipulation and explicitly lies to her about his intentions. He had nothing but contempt for her from the beginning and I do remember feeling as though I didn’t have all the information regarding how exactly he ended up actually being held accountable for his words. Also being horrified that he crafted a kill list+fantasized about it while incarcerated.
I’ve since fallen down the true crime rabbit hole and a heartbreakingly large number of cases include documented threats, in which perpetrators state what they will do to their victims but the police don’t take it seriously, and it ends in tragedy. I wouldn’t be comfortable being the person responsible for protecting the rights of an individual while also protecting the public from said individual, especially when they have verbalized threats, including a time/place/method of enacting violence against others.
Thank you for sharing your perspective! It’s gratifying to know there are other people who also saw issues within the video!
What did we learn? Do not date women! Do not trust the law!
Bruh the lawyer looks like an old Pestilly 😂
the real takeaway here if if you're gonna talk shit, do it eloquently.
finally real life content actually an important topic. no more videogame cheating shit. it is just so void
I like Josh, I followed him for years now. What happened to him was very predictable, he was a troubled teen, being raised by a single parent. Everyone knew he had a substance abuse problem, they just didn't seem to know how to help him in Oxford Mississippi. As a youngster he learned to be a good con man, that didn't help with his problem at 19 years old. His prosecutor didn't care about his well being, the only thing his prosecutor cared about was WINNING (Not write or wrong) The Judge didn't care about Josh, he only cared about his own position in life. When Josh pleaded guilty, he had a "Public Defender" (You get what you pay for). Going to jail and prison only caused Josh to trade his old problems for a whole new set of problems. He reads, and because of that he's more educated now than he was before prison. He can't change what happened to him because of going to prison or being a convicted felon because of his guilty plea. (No appeal's if you plead guilty) Hid tattoo's and his body modification tell the story of his life of pain. When other kids were growing up in the "free world" Josh had to grow up in jail and Federal Prison, designed for hardened criminals. Because of the gifts he has, he survived. God had mercy on him when the people that were supposed to protect him didn't. Something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life.
>It's still the first amendment!
Well no. Threats are threats, they get treated seriously. Still watching the video and do suspect his punishment was overblown, but yeah, of course you get feds on you if you make elaborate and specific death threats.
Finished the case breakdowns. Messy courts and BS. Definitely too far
What size is your Herman Miller Aeron?
I feel like at most he should have gotten a year in prison since he had 0 weapons at all, and if he also couldn't afford them then that further shows it was an empty threat. Giving him the year shows that even empty threats will be taken seriously which is good, but it isn't so long that it would ruin his life. I'd also hope it would be removed from his public record side to make sure he could go back to life and get jobs after getting out. IDK if that is a thing they can do or not
There was testimony that he was building pipe-bombs, and it isn't really that easy to judge whether he could afford them or not, he got money from his girlfriend. One year is no joke either, unless I misunderstood, Justin got less than a year, and he ended up much much worse than Josh.
@@simpsondr12 did you watch the video? One person's testimony with 0 actual evidence should never have been enough to triple his sentence. There was 0 mention that he even owned pipes or any other containers you would typically see used for them. Not to mention they found no weapons and no explosives.
I'm all for putting people in prison for life when they're an actual threat to society, but this guy deserved 3 years at max and i only say 3 years because he was struggling with addiction before hand. But ignoring that it should have been 2 years. The normal sentence time for his crimes
@@zebraloverbridget It's against the law to add time to a prison sentence on the grounds that the person is an addict who needs time to "get clean," which my judge actually did, despite it being illegal. It's called a "Tapia Violation." Being an addict doesn't mean you should have your freedom taken away, that's horribly cold blooded to think somehow prison (which makes you a felon, which makes it impossible to rent in a nice area or find a good job btw) would help someone break addiction. My addiction got WORSE during part of my prison sentence - not a single jail or prison I ever slept at was free of drugs. The cost was what varied, but everything was on the menu.
And I don't say that to argue with you, I say that to ask you to pause and really consider it. How much prison time have you done? Do you know what it's like? Are you an addict? What positive things could happen from an addict being forcibly removed from society to "cure his addiction?" It's been tried and has failed, unfortunately.
@@JoshPillault i said it because the man himself literally said it was good for him. 🤦♂️
Never once said it should apply to everyone. Go touch some grass or improve your reading skills
I mean the feds gave that one 18 year old 10k in weaponry just recently.
I was well aware of your channel in your Tarkov days and watched the odd Tarkov video of yours. Then the wiggle happened and your name was everywhere and I thought, "he's going to become the next Pestily", just not with Christmas drops. Then you did a weird thing and completely pivoted from gaming to journalism. Pictures often speak more than words but alas. I have, since your pivot, watched every single video you released and thoroughly enjoyed each one. You have a knack for investigative journalism and also for presenting your findings in a way that's captivating but not constantly pulling on our heartstrings. Facts and information before emotion is something I very much appreciate.
I have a feeling you had to cut quite a bit of content from this one, aside from the heavy audio editing, to get it up on UA-cam and not get demonetized, which sucks. Do you script and edit your videos how you want to present the story and then cut end censor them after, to get them on to UA-cam, or do you already incorporate those factors during scripting and editing? Because if you do, you could maybe upload the non-censored version to something like Playeur or BitChute and direct people there, to get the version as you intended it - a directors cut if you will. I know, there isn't much viewership on those platforms but this isn't just about viewership, this is also about journalistic freedom and creative freedom. I know some gun tubers, Forgotten Weapons and inRange to name two, upload censored versions to UA-cam and then direct people to the uncensored version on Playeur because they write and edit how they believe the story should be told and not how some tech oligarch thinks it should be told. Just a thought.
Anyways, thanks for another great story that well deserved telling.
Thanks for the comment.
I thnk if I consistently coverd content that would get censored in this way, I would totally be looking for a place to put it, like Patreon or something.
I censored myself in about 5 passes. Some early on and some at the end. I had a whole section on Dylan's journals and the Library 911 call. I know that if I had included that portion this video would be ages restricted and thus dead in the water.
I wasn't worried about monetization, it's just that when videos get nerfed by YT in that way they don't perform well.
Good god, the legal system was horrifying in so many levels; yeah, you definitely need to watch what you say anywhere you're at whether in person or online, but you also DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO THE COPS. They are not your friends and they are only out to convict you.
Oof...man having a close encounter with this same scenario is wild seeing this.
I said words, went to a hospital for like 3 mo, and then that was it.
the US legal system is just hell
I am glad I was shown young that when it comes to the People, the State, and the Systems that they run, context won’t save you. I had a couple experiences in Grade School and Middle School and I knew that these people would do whatever they wanted with me if I let them. I learned in many small ways how little power I had, with little injustices that I wouldn’t be heard on. So I knew that’s how it goes with compulsory education. It’s that way up and down the system. It didn’t help me learn to be better. But it did teach me I was never ever going to let them have anything. I would never write anything about how miserable I was. Never talk about it. Never leave anything that was up for interpretation. Trust no one. Not even with a word. Which didn’t make me less dangerous to myself or others. It didn’t make my hatred of that system better. Or work through it. It made it worse. Me more unstable. There were four or five small incidents, that made it clear if I gave them anything at all about how much I hated being there, in that system, it would get worse. The things I hated about it would follow me home. Would be involved in my whole life. That all the worst control mechanisms it had only got worse. That the Criminal System was worse, and if I in some way did something worthy of their attention the apparatus would merge. That School would never end and it merely follow me forever. I would’ve died first. But I certainly didn’t tell anyone that.
The worst I ever did, was fantasize about how to get out of School. I wondered if the School burned down if I wouldn’t have to go back. I never considered doing it myself. But hoped for something to make it so I didn’t have to go back. I used to draw. I drew a burning school house. In retrospect it was a cry for help. It was overlooked for maybe half a year. Then one teacher who was a coach saw it. This guy said flat out he was going to punish the class for individual offenders in the beginning. He wanted me to do a packet of homework I’d never finished. He was trying to figure out a way to make me do it. He saw the drawing on a sheet, said he could construe it as a threat against the school. I admitted to nothing. The threat was clear, he could turn this into trouble. Or I could finish this packet. He had separated me from the class so he had to go check on them. The drawing on the table with the rest of the work. It was in pencil. I immediately drew over the whole picture with a shading technique, erased it all, and went back to what I was doing. He came back and saw it, but I would’ve lied. I admitted to nothing. I would not be under that.
It was from then I learned there was no help. I could gain nothing via expression of it. That I needed to protect myself and it’s as simple as some dill weeds interpretation of a drawing. There were other lessons. Frankly I’m thankful though. If I hadn’t learned that lesson early, I might’ve done something stupid like one of these guys. I would’ve… Not done well. I mean I would’ve rather died. I made it through School. Without help. I never did anything that was obvious to relate my despair.
After years I’m in a place that is much healthier. In a way I thank them for showing me a path of deeper despair than the one I was on. In seeing how bad it would be if the system had more power over me. I’m glad I learned before I was one of these guys. I was only a danger to myself, but I saw how much more terrible things would’ve been if they got me to share any of it. So I never gave them the option.
Dude i just saw like 6 videos of you in a day. You need more views, subscribers and videos. Keep on keeping on
Read his lyrics with Em's flow and he's actually really solid lmao.
Man. Something like this happened to me. I thought I was the only one.
I almost got scooped up by the system my jr year of highschool. this was a wild watch.
Hey buddy, wondering when you're going to address the lies you told in your video about Sue. I'll be waiting 😊
Prove it
These threats of self or other people harm are taken EXTREMELY seriously by game studios, I did customer service for one of the big studios and we had a crisis cell dedicated to these incidents active 24H, authorities are notified in the first sign of serious danger. Stay safe guys, the internet isn't as anonymous as it used to be.
This is such a huge waste of resources, they should instead instruct the victims of threats how to proceed from there according to the local law.
@@Furebel There is something called legal liability and non help for a person threatening to do that thing. Trust me if they didn't have to do it by law, they'll never do 😉
this is video is a wake up call for gamers nation wide
the justice system is a joke
The American one for sure.
@@bobkoroua What country has a better one?
@@simpsondr12 every single country in Scandinavia?
Most ex Commonwealth countries?
German?
France?
You have to be joking 🙂
@@bobkoroua Is there a reason you can give, or...? "Most ex commonwealth countries" is pretty funny to me. Don't allow defendants to have lawyers during interrogations, allow many less jury trials.. there's two things off the top of my head that are worse than America's laws.
@@simpsondr12
Is that the whole justice system?
You pick on one aspect that you feel negates my expressed opinion.
I could ask you about the prosecution bringing charges they 100% know they will never get a conviction on in order to force someone to take a plea deal.
I don't need to justify my contention having lived in many countries including the UK, France , Norway, and Sweden and spent time in a lot more countries including America, I know in which country INHABITANTS have told me God help you if you fall foul of the legal system, hint there were a lot of fast food outlets and everyone called them restaurants 😜
I don't know about the validity of his sentencing but if someone thinks it's funny to terrorize other people, if only mentally or not, maybe they need a time out.
all these hooting and hooters, owls are wild
This story is what really pisses me off about the FBI. they throw the book at Josh because of a joke threat (not saying they shouldnt have investigated but they should have determined he wasnt serious) yet them and police get warnings about the columbine shooters and the Parkland shooter before those shootings occurred and they didnt do jack shit
sorry, having a hard time as to how someone could say "he was not serious". he has incredible mental issues, bordering on signs of aspd, namely psychopathy, while making threats of taking dozens with him. are you sane, my man? you dont see a problem here?
Wow those chat logs are insane. Dudes like "Pull the trigger puss", then 5 seconds later our protagonist says his school's name and the other dude immediately goes "Reported". Like these chat logs isn't just normal puberty kids being edgelords, that person egging him on has some serious mental issues. He should have gotten the same sentence as well...
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