The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- After reviewing the clip extensively, it is more likely that the user "HostilePuppy_YT" could see me in his POV, and cheating is not likely. He was the guy who shot me through the mountain. I feel terrible for this mistake. This affirms my stance that I will not be releasing any more footage from the experiment. He has been very understanding and I will address this publicly in a future video.
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Man this is going to stir the pot. Someone hand me some popcorn! You did a great job on the video. Something I would of loved to see was more detailed statistics of the experience. My only fear now is every creator is going to go replicate this video for views and then the whole integrity of creators will go to shit. Guess we will see.
Edit: for the people misunderstanding what I mean about integrity of creators - First person to do in a proper informative manner (g0at) can get away with it. Every person from here on is doing it for the wrong reasons (any creator who makes a video the same as this to be informative).
R.I.P. Escape from Tarkov 25.02.2023
Common Pestily W. Seen a few Tarkov streamers like Veritas really angry about this video and thinking that this stuff is common knowledge when it really isn't.
love to see you reacting on this. lot of the big guys just gone quiet. this need to be echoed more
Integrity dropping from telling the truth? Yikes
Nothing to fear, you guys are the voice of the community. Noone will listen to me or the next nobody just trying to enjoy tarkov when we say cheaters are ruining the game. If something is to be done about these issues, the creators must come together and bring this to light, show BSG that tolerating cheaters for the sake of profits is not a way to go forward. Too much is too much. Or we can all just pretend there aren't cheaters in at least half the raids and let this circle of madness continue until the last legit player quits...
I’ve reported every single person that’s killed me for two wipes because I’m a spiteful, angry little man.
Turns out I was probably right 50% of the time.
Good vid
That feeling when you were most deff right. It sucks but it also feels good. Too bad they didnt message us when we got one banned tho, would made playing more worth it.
no streamer item for you too Sam, it will be removed next patch
I blame Aqua for everything.
@@Radiant-Edge Ha!
Sam bud... Occasionally if I lose a legit fight I won't report, but 99% of the time it's worth it lol
It makes me furious to think of how many hundred hours I spent getting killed out of nowhere when I thought I was simply being outplayed
honestly yeah, i barely survived any raids, let alone any combat, but thats because my computer was shit and it would freeze for like 1/4 of a second every time i got shot, but now im wondering if the ones where i was just shot out of nowhere are cheaters
me too,man...me too!!
true but when I have a bad taste in my mouth after a death, now I know it was prob a cheater
@@glizzygulper8948scavs are cracked some wipes but others they are trash. The out of nowhere deaths in the other hand …..
The worst part is if you look back at other cheaters doing this kind of video showing their jank cheats you really cannot tell if any death was legitimate or not. Wether it's desync, a jank aimbot that's slower than players reaction, or just straight cheating and playing it off well. Hell ppl can be just using radar to easily locate you and still have to use their fps skills to kill you. It's soo bad.
I'm not even a Tarkov player, Im just here for our mutual hate for cheaters
Same, but I'm confident that there are MANY wall hackers for Apex.
same dude
same
I'm here cause I hate smurfs in rocket league. Different faces of the same shit
@@mhammadalloush5104 Smurfs? Well, that sounds familiar! Greetings from Dota 2, lol
The 1 year anniversary is coming right up, maybe "The Wiggle 2: New year, Old story" Honestly would love comparation if anything changed
Cheating situation is the same oh and Vacuum cheating is a thing now.
@@hopedream11 Vacuuming was always a thing
this video is an AD for cheats - you got played thinking this guy was making a change
@@_Afterdawnthe ad is bsg wont do anything about it
@@thealonestargazer hahahaha look at the bigger picture my man.
"He knows I have ESP, and he doesn't like it" Actually the funniest line in the whole video. Even the cheaters don't like the cheaters lmao
The motivation for the cheating is being the strongest one in a session. Remember any MCU or DCU movie where two heroes meet for the first time. They don't like each other. At all.
@@baycosinus lolwat, comparing cheaters to heroes. Superheroes are standoffish in first encounters because its the easiest excuse to have the two face off to entertain fans in a what if scenario. Terrible analogy.
@@baycosinus the motivation for cheating is having a smol self esteem and even smoller pp. People should stop even remotely acting like there is any justification for cheating and start treating cheaters as the small dick loosers they just simply are. Like seriously not even going salty mode here, cheaters are just pathetic and should know it since they already deep down feel like it we should do everything to confirm it for them to realize.
@@baycosinus lol no the motivation to cheat is being a terrible gamer and and crying for attention to pretend your good at all.. which obviously arent.. Thats the nice way to describe a cheater.
90% of them became cheaters from tired of dying to cheaters bro... feelsbadman
BSG is the type of company to ban the wiggle instead of fixing cheating
Anything to protect their bottom line, they want to keep cheaters in the game because they profit off of them
I dont even think RMT is the main problem anymore, it seems people are straight up hacking now for whatever reason I dont understand how its fun.
Also I wouldnt be surprised if BSG makes more money from hackers/RMT people buying new accounts after getting banned then the actual community at this point in development
The whole get a discount if you buy multiple copies thing is 1000% the kicker
YES
Cheating is a bigger deal in Tarkov because you lose all your gear. That’s why it hurts so much. In counterstrike for example, when you get cheated against, you don’t lose your valuable inventory.
In CS its even WORST! You go play ranked game and you see yourself playing against a cheater and there goes 1 HOUR or 40 minutes playing a ranked game! Against a cheater!
No wonder Tarkov is such a hard game, everyone knows where you are
And they know every item you're carrying down to the items in your secure container, I use to cheat we would rob people of shit in their secure container if they wanted to live lmao. I honestly feel so bad now but at the same time if I never cheated I would have never known how many other cheaters are in the game and I would still be getting killed by them. Best advice is find a new game that isn't infiltrated by cheaters because you either die a hero or see yourself become a villan
See don t even have to look for them hard, they all end up exposing themselves.
@whodis000 who would take any advice from you? Time to reevaluate your integrity there buddy.
@@birdness Cheating lying stealing is a package, can’t get the options seperatly and can t be removed from the car once installed.
I died a hero man quit it for along time and only play when my friends want me to play cuz they are Bambis
Haha dude imagine someone started a hacking task force where a bunch of dudes hack just to kill the hackers. What a meta that would be
This needs to happen white hats vs the black hats
No way, papa Homeless here, i love you dude!
there's already people out there doing that but the problem is they still kill regular players too so what are they even doing
hi homeless, watcha doin here
ayeeee! my man! love ur vids
Such a wild video... Honestly, from one creator to another. Well done. This was a GREAT watch!
Thanks for stopping by my man. I have been watching you for a long time.
Glad to see Bigfry giving support. I think we all knew this but it was great to "actually" see it. Thank you for standing up, more people should.
I hope you cover this on your channel, even as a shorter chopped up react and discuss kind of video on the main channel. You've been highly critical of BSG in the past and for good reason, now I think you might've just found another
Love ur work @bigfry
Make a video on this bigfry!
Just here to see the wiggle after finding out about it from the 250$ for the game drama.
don't worry, if you upgrade your 250$ edition to the next 340$ one you will get less cheaters for 6 months!!!
For an extra 250 on top you get esp and a wiggle hotkey.
@@TheBuddhalintfor 6 months is so accurate
at this point i am wondering if some of the high end cheats are provided by bsg themselves just so they can cash out twice for each copy they sell to the cheaters
I’m posting this before premium servers are announced for a monthly subscription.
dude, the escape from tarkov subreddit went completely tyranical over this, deleting every post talking about this, posting the video isn't allowed and talking about you gets you shadow banned. it's crazy how much they are trying to control this information
Really bizzare behaviour from the moderators, we can only assume they are regular wigglers themselves
It breaks rule 7. It's pretty clear why. Trying to turn it into a conspiracy is just being irresponsible.
@@bobbymccullough3210 they deleted discussion even when the video wasn't posted.
They locked all discussion including the clip from the WAN show that doesn't break any rules.
Your comment is proof that mods know they can just lie to people and some of them will suck it up.
They are baby minging
@@bobbymccullough3210 Probably because the mods cheat too
Heard about you from a War Thunder forum. Apparently some guy pulled off something similar on WT by infiltrating hacker communities, and then sent the source code to Gaijin. Supposedly 20,000 accounts got banned yesterday.
Keep doing gods work my guy.
the thing is. Gaijing does not hate the wt community (when they are not leaking)
An even higher number than that 40,000
oh really? explain the grind@@lunatic22231
when they say “infiltrating”, they mean going on unknowncheats and sending a pasted source lol. i mean its what ItsGamerDoc does, he thinks he’s a cheat developers nightmare when he does exactly what i described.
I play war thunder mobile and umm wow. I do play arena breakout too.
This makes me feel so much better for never cheating in Tarkov. Look at the things I've achieved while playing without cheats and while surrounded by cheaters. I'm awesome.
True :D
I too appreciate my own loyalty and hardship for however many wipes now.
Same here. Last year I only play night raid in low traffic servers，and I got 20.1kd（99% are ai scavs）I never went to Labs Lighthouse Reserve，and most of time I just sat in a corner wait 20 minutes then started to loot and kill bots.
Same here I got a 7kd and almost at capa 🫡
4 wipes level 80+ each time.. never once cheated or played with a cheater... cant touch the game now
Anybody else end up back here after the whole Unheard Edition thing?
hello
yup
$250 to not fix the game at all
Yeah… and came to the conclusion: thanks god I didn‘t spent any more money on this game.
Just use SP Tarkov
11-12 Months later and absolutely nothing has changed, well done BSG!
How u know
@@Blind_Hawk
200 hour 14 k/d players, while some of the best players or rats struggle to get to 10 k/d.
Not saying its impossible but the likelyhood of so many low hour high k/d players is easy to explain
@@julianfuchs5328How many are there? I also have 200 hours despite playing since december 2020.
Nothing changed? You can't be serious, right?
IT'S WORSE THAN EVER!
@@VioIetteMolotovHow do you know it is worse?
this is one of the most, if not THE MOST important Tarkov videos ever made. You're the content creator that Tarkov doesn't deserve, but desperately needs. Thank you for your work.
dear god ur pfp….practice retention, go outside and meditate, channel your s*xual energy into lifting weights, install site blocker browser extensions, i believe in you, you’re better than this, you are loved and you are valid, do not let addiction consume you like this
@@sparda_you can’t be getting your nipples triggered by some picture on a UA-cam pfp right?
@@sparda_ Based.
@@ahahuehafook4207 glad to see someone that doesn't have an IQ below 100, p*rn should be abolished
When Luke said. "I would rather know i got beaten by someone legitimate than someone cheating, that feeling is so much better" I whole heartedly agree.
When half the fucking matches are ruined by cheats the game is no longer interesting. So many insta headshot deaths despite the average gamer not being good enough to do that and the high recoil in the game.. So many prefires, people holding the perfect angle, long range shots.. It's not fun with this many cheaters.
great investigative journalism. i feel like this video pushed nikita to make a public proclamation hopefully they use this tactic to track and mass ban people
@@famulanrevengeance3044 the number of people who want to pretend like it’s completely normal is ridiculous. So many people want to make Tarkov look like a hardcore game that has the best fps players out of any other game, when in reality most players actually suck and will never have the opportunity to get better because they’re playing against people who can kill them long before it’s even possible for them to interact. Such a large portion of Tarkov gameplay is literally dying to people that you’ll never even know existed. This is coming from someone who’s played this game for over 1000 hours over the last 2 years, most of that time was spent during my first year playing. I’d consider myself someone who’s had a lot of experience in Tarkov and I’ll be the first to tell you that the game will never amount to anything more than it currently is, it’s actually so sad because I fell in love with the game and made some great memories.
I still get matched against hackers in csgo and thats what ive been saying, im glad people still feel this way.
@@JuSSayZ Plus, Tarkov doesn't give you alot of 'time on target', you don't get much experience shooting other players. Even with a few hundred hours, weapon recoil changes all the time. And it's hard to have muscle memory when different pieces of gear affect ergo and recoil.
It's funny. Sometimes you get a few matches without cheaters. And you pop off. You can finally sneak up on people, you can use map knowledge, you can push, you can nade. Without this horrible fucking feeling that they have supernatural knowledge and ability due to their cheats.
Watching this again after a year. Tarkov still has rampant cheating. And now it's so accessable, people were cheating in the Delta Force demo DAY ONE.
Oh shit, I was so looking forward to that game
It's the devs, making money in more then one, more than two ways, that's why they're careful about eachother, you don't know who can cause you trouble
I was able to finally escape tarkov thanks to this video, many thanks
Im now only playing SP Tarkov mod :( no online more..
@@firemusic412 sp tarkov sounds like the most boring thing of all time
@@satanicchocobo9705 better than getting killed by cheaters
@@satanicchocobo9705 keep in mind that there are mods that range from adding guns to changing recoil to adding new clothing to adding new items etc
Yup. Fuck this game. Finally uninstalled it and escaped.
And this returns memories of years ago where the Tarkov devs were making the outrageous claims that their game, by its very design, was impossible to cheat in. And everyone laughed.
My own friends told me I was insane when I said people had to be cheating and yet here we are...
@@Zanaki113 had a friend that quit cod for tarkov because he didn't want to deal with cheaters anymore lol. All anti cheat does is at least stop the rage hackers lol
The worst thing you can do gloat about how your game is uncheatable, they'll accept it as a challenge and wear it like a badge of honor. After all, breaking the rules of a game is not even a foreign concept in gaming culture, some games even encourage it.
Human psychology in this instance is so interesting. Normally, someone would probably be pretty hesitant to let on that they're cheating, but the moment they know you're also cheating, you're suddenly in their "group" and warrant a base level of trust above the average player.
humans are naturally tribal thus will stick around to there community
It might be because they think that the opposite team has just as much to lose as they do and they relate to it, what do they lose? One tarkov account.
Tribal
its because the whole fact that the interaction can only be done though cheating its why we have "stings" to catch criminals.
It unironically is a fractal of our broader world.
Cheaters being psychopaths.
Also at the top of the leaderboards ;)
1 year later and the problem is still so bad everyone is now playing PVE.
i've stopped playing PVP completely cause of cheaters, not only tarkov PVP have i stopped playing, but alot of multiplayer FPS games cause i now view them as a waste of time and my own sanity.
No one plays pve except reddit users lmfao
@ I don’t even like Reddit, I play pve cause cheaters ruin the game
@@austyn5455 a majority of the player base has moved to pve.
@@austyn5455 I play both , both suck for different reasons, this game is not fun anymore.
The 1st cheater I ran into (in a scav run) he flew to dorms, grabbed through the locked cult door and gave me the loot from it, then flew off into the sunset
At least some cheaters are wholesome and somewhat nice. Not all, but some.
second come of jesus
Mary Fking Popins.
everyone have a different view but for me, cheaters that give me loot is still bad, i did not earn that legit when i accept loot from a cheater i may aswell cheat myself because its just not fair
@@lajf28 Aye they still are bad, even if not immediately. Free loot for people who wouldn't normally get it, that causes an imbalance in the economy over time.
all i take from this as a solo player is wiggle if im in a bad spot and theres like a 60% chance i make it out alive.
just uninstall this garbage lmao, imagine still trying to cope play with all the cheaters.
After this video, they're just gonna kill everyone on sight. No chance now. These people are TRASH.
@@kingterry6045 I mean the issue is, whats similar? DMZ? Even more incomplete then tarkov. Hunt? good game, just different. Ill continue to log on after a wipe. Play two weeks to a month. Then delete it. i usually take two wipes off in between anyway. Not like they change enough anyway from wipe to wipe.
@@DevinEMILE that is the worst waste of time I’ve ever heard. Unless you’re having fun then go for it, but mindless grinding and getting killed by cheaters is like self torture.
@@DevinEMILESPTarkov. Just Google it^^
A big thank you to Luke from Floatplane/LTT for letting me know about a video that i might have otherwise never found
Same here!
sameeeeeee
100% agree
I am on board with the luke gang
@@l-l me also lol
I played this game for about a year straight, solo rat life. You know how many times I'd be killed out in the middle of nowhere? I can count less than a dozen times I actually saw someone running around. It really felt like I couldn't see anyone, but everyone could see me.
Thank you for having the balls and the intellect to create this video man, this is what the game needs right now.
Either BSG turn around and fix this mess, or the game will die a sad, unnecessary and preventable death.
Even if they try to take it down it gives a clear statement from their side to the community: hands off until this shit is fixed.
Also i'd like to mention that people in tarkovs 850k main subreddit are actively getting banned and their content removed for posting any facts about the current state of the game, including your video.
thats because all cheaters on reddit are reporting it ig. its real. there are millions of cheaters.
Yup they even removed Nikita's post LMAO
Unbelievable, i miss the days of quake 1 2 and 3 and cs pre 1.6 when cheats were free and none did it.
If you look at one of goats recent videos he posted I pointed out this problem in his comment section and he responded to me to let me know that, that specific subreddit has been a rotten egg for a while and that they aren't to be trusted.
I bet a BSG dev is running that shit lol
To answer g0at question, about HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE CHEAT?
-Only a CHEATER knows or the opponent is cheating, You will not understand this, You cheated for content.
@Pestily was also cheating, and don't say NOT true, because its a fact, for STREAM RANGE.
Only smart people will understand this.
And the best part is, over 15 years ago i did cheat for the same reason @pestily did, for RANGE in the eSport Arena, to let them talk about me, for the NOISE i wanted to have. And i simply did stop it after getting pointed - i got for reasons 138 IQ.
And at END how HARD it will sound LIKE, @g0at - You CHEATED so ENJOY You BAN on Tarkov right?
Dont try do DEFEND that You did CHEAT, You are simple a Tarkov CHEATER, no matter for what reason it was, You CHEATED, what means You are a RAT!
This basically means that every raid you didn't get killed by a cheater, was because they LET you live. They were probably looting, and you didn't cross their path so they avoided you. This is sick.
basically if they dont wanna kill you is because there selling the account. there mostly just questing and shit. dont wanna make themselves obvious
😭😭
@@ByDimilibs Being a level 55 BEAR this season, I find myself getting taken out a lot more often as my crew is left alone to live. Especially in LH
And this is why I started playing SP Tarkov..
I love the underlying game, but cheaters are just too much.
@@60FpsGoodness SP tarkov? Hell nah new levels of gear fear unlocked
Thanks to everyone from the WAN show! You guys are awesome. The last half of the video has a good interview with Luke. You will like! Cheers
*BSG activates nuke* 👀 👖 💩 💥
Still dont agree with the ethics of cheating but I understand your fustration
At the very least he owes you a bottle of syrup.
This video hurt. I only played this wipe for a couple weeks and for now I'm out. Thanks for doing this!
Veritas TTV is watching it now. He is so salty about it 🤣!!!
I've spent probably over 2,000 hours of my life being an admin for servers on Urban Terror and CoD-4. At this point, every FPS game is pretty much swamped with cheaters. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just living in ignorant bliss.
Yeah I realized this a long time ago, I feel genuinely bad for people who waste hundreds/thousands of hours playing competitive FPS games legit. There are so many ways to spend your time and so many hobbies to pick up, hell there are so many good single player / non competitive games out there it's insane to waste so much time getting packed up by cheaters.
Yep. There's only two types of FPS gamers: People who don't cheat and think they're playing competitively, or the cheaters. That's it. It makes the hobby of competitive gaming completely pointless, there is no glory. Especially when you consider the person you takeout who may have been legit, likely only ended up in that position because a cheater knocked them down a peg by killing them and causing them to respawn, which completely changes their preparation, gear, and position. So even when you get the drop on someone in a fight, you may have only won that fight because of circumstances created by a cheater. This fact makes the whole idea of competition pointless, because it's not competition if you're only killing someone because a cheater completely changed the dynamics of a round.
As it turns out, there's no such thing as getting tarkov'd. There's just running into cheaters.
Sometimes there is with power-slidding Killa, or other scav boss. But you're right
getting tarkoved %
60% cheaters
20% AI (scavs, bosses, etc.)
9% game just screwing you over
1% other (basically combination of the few or bad luck)
Idk, I never met any cheaters, they don't bother me but I mostly play at in-game night with good gear etc.
Every RIP I have is normal, I usually fire at people first because Im stealthy
Idk, but for me EFT is one of the least cheater-infested games I played, it's pure fun
@@olgagaming5544 "Good" kits, cheaters avoid woods because it's basically just new players (kits that aren't worth anything), if there is one in the lobby, you're too far away with a kit that's not worth anything. Go play on streets 50 times, or reserve, you'll find out real quick that there are cheaters.
This video is proof, why deny it? 125 raids and at least 60% of them had some ESPing? How the fuck can you deny that?
@@olgagaming5544 clueless
The frustration of not knowing kills me. I don't mind losing, I hate not knowing if I lost fair and square.
it's the worst.
on the other side, every kid whos bad at the game everyone that kills them is a cheater ;D
You probably didn't
Knowing you died to hacks isn't much better
This video was really needed. I really hope BSG sees this and does something about the problem ASAP. I'm really close to quitting the game and I feel like I needed this video to settle the score and finally call it quits. BSG has had enough chances to do something about it, but never thought it was necessary. There's plenty of methods to catch cheaters, but BSG just tries to go the easy way and act like the issue wasn't as big as it actually is.
Whiney ass comment, the head of bsg commented on the issue
I quit a while ago and honestly I’m glad I did. I loved tarkov and will miss parts of it. But it’s not worth it anymore. I just hope this game dies and bsg sells it to someone else who will do right by it lol
ya
felt like a copy and paste from BSG😂
They make money out of this, people getting banned = more sales
this video is nothing new to the community. There are tons of videos just like this from a year or two ago. This video just stirred everything up again and also killed the game for the next few weeks or months or even years, until BSG finally pulls their fingers out their ass and start fixing the true problems of EFT.
Luke's explanation of why the cheater wiggle hurt to see reminded me of when Bungie was starting to crack down on cheaters in Destiny a few years ago, because I remember seeing screenshots from a cheater discord where one of the cheaters used the phrase "eyes up Guardian". No matter what game, cheaters hold nothing sacred.
It's absolutely heart wrenching to have conformation this was going on. Thanks for going through the effort for this video
Yeah knowing everytime you call out a cheater its correct is finally enough, I'm sending this video to all my friends.
bro, its been known since 2018, when real gamers quit the game, welcome to PC i guess
If only they developed this game for console.
@@BoangAmerikano it's not about pc. This game currently suffers the worse from hacking, out of any game on the pc market today that has kept up its relevance.
@@Nephermoore anime pic means fag dont talk to me
You set the Tarkov subreddit on fire. Well done comrade
Absolute clown moderators in the pocket of BSG. Dudes are probably profiting off of covering this up. Too bad that subreddit is measly compared to UA-cam so the mods can suck a fat one.
bro its so stupid they took it down for the most pettiest of reasons possible basically because he was also cheating that its not allowed but thats the whole point of the video to show how hes cheating to clearly prove that others are cheating such a petty and delusional rule
@@plantgaming2v254 It's fucking plebbit, what else could we expect?
@@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum ikr its just reading it just made me realize that we are the same species like the video clearly proves that their are cheaters and that their anticheat needs to be fixed but they are just so delusional for some reason that they are like he cheated so this whole video is invalid i seriously am flabbergasted on how they clearly didnt watch the video and see video evidence on how people are cheating in tarkov
@@plantgaming2v254 exactly.
This is going to definitely light a fire under BSG's ass.
This video is only been out two days as of right now and it's caused so much controversy inside the community and they want to damn you for it.
You might even get banned for it but you know what? You're a hero in my eyes man. I think you may have saved this game.
ofc he will be banned, he cheated. doesn't matter what reason
@Timmeke_ BSG refused to address this problem for years and would copyright strike videos talking about the horrible exploits and how easy it is to cheat. They deserved it
@@weasle2904 ok? I didn't even speal about bsg. This guy should be banned. Sure he did wake up everyone and bsg but still, he should be banned
@@timmeke_8213 That's the point of the video though. If he gets banned for making a video... cool... but you're still left with all the other cheaters he just showed exist, because they're probably not going to catch a ban, and if they do they'll just grab another account... knowing how cheating communities work in other games, and how many people have dropped this one, it probably won't even be a new account but someone else's who stopped playing and either sold theirs or got phished for it.
@@timmeke_8213 mate, truly the most academic stance on the issue 😂
Almost 2 years later and it's even worse now lmao
I honestly am broken after watching this, knowing that my routine/tactic in maps is likely being seen by people and they are just ignoring me because I don’t have something they want or I’m not in their way feels so demoralising.
It invalidates everything about the game and it’s direction. The worst part is (like Luke said) is this ‘bro’ attitude they have. Like ‘us’ versus ‘them’. There’s no respect.
I do love this game. I learnt how to build a PC and playing tarkov was partially one of the reasons why because I was so tired of the triple A generic shooters. I wanted something with an atmosphere where the tension is overwhelming…and knowing it’s all tarnished as badly it is really is painful. Thank you for making this.
Yeah pretty disheartening knowing that every time I went, “omg I survived that raid” only really meant “I survived because they let me survive”
@@13thBN yeah, not everytime ofc but knowing there were times that happened and not knowing how many is just horrible.
So you quit bc nobody chases you, but I quit because everyone chases me
@@TheAlbin0zebra he quit because the only reason he didn't get chased was he didn't have the loot they wanted. You quit because you got chased because you had the loot they wanted.
@@TheAlbin0zebra my point is ‘even a win isn’t really a win’ because you just didn’t interest them enough…but equip a full kitted weapons with level 4 plus gear and they’ll make their way over.
So all that special gear you save in your stash is just going to increase your risk of them targeting you.
7 Months later and absolutely nothing has changed, well done BSG!
140 quid early access since 2018. problem?
Bro i cant even play tarkov this wipe cause i server disconect every 2 raids even after i clear my cache
and the game is still unoptimized on a 8 core CPU and 6600 XT. lmao
fucking russian scammers
what did you expect from russians? integrity?
I must be really lucky then. I've had *maybe* 2 cheaters this wipe so far and only had server connection issues during the Halloween event
the wiggle used to be the universal sign of being friendly in multiplayer shooters, back to arma 2 dayz mod days, it hurts my soul to know cheaters have taken it for themselves now
It’s like raising your hand to wave at someone while there’s a gun hidden behind you’re back, there’s just something wrong with it
Even worse; used as a sign for other small weenie beta cuck cheaters to signal a truce; being part of their in-group. Honor among thieves, I guess? Fck them…
Not only are they stealing it, they're making other players mistrust it and associate with cheats. These people don't even realize how horrible they are and how much they're hated. They do not get it.
You know someone is younger than you when their reference is arma 2 :P
@@slopcrusher3482 ever heard of rust? :P
Come back to this video a year and a bit since I first watched it, and I have successfully escaped this game not touched it since I watched this video. Probably one of the best videos I've watched on YT saved me so much time as this game wasted so much of it
Basically confirmed what I could feel with my own gut instinct. The game's literally a dumpster fire of cheaters right now.
sadge
Always has been a dumpster fire.
My gut instinct has been telling me this for years bud, it's only gotten worse and will continue to get worse. Tarkov is slowly dying in front of us unless BSG and BattlEye do something even more drastic to combat cheaters, until then the game isn't worth playing right now.
Bro I swear most of the time I bring in good gear I get smoked but do some loot runs with cheap load outs and I do fine.
@@Linnitup7755 That's why everybody has gear fear. If there were no cheaters, imagine all the wins with the good gear. It just confirms my suspicion that I was being hunted because I had good gear on with good ammo. If I take a AK 5.45 in, I get kills and extract. Take in meta shit, my first encounter is instant death almost every time. Shit is so wack. The lack of integrity makes me sick
Today I learned that *I* the average player that just wants to gear up go out and have fun - Is the sucker in Tarkov. I am the bottom of the food chain that basically fuels cheaters. Thank you
Yea man...I just tested it, used up all my money for lvl 6 gear and got aim locked to the part my armor wasnt covering 80% of the time. Only place that I survived with this shit is factory, even against other people with gear. I won those fights cuz they werent cheating. Even a 3 man took so long to kill me cuz some bullets hit legs and arms, but not for the cheaters
@@ajuslucky5432 It's so sad... Not to cry, but leaves a hole in the soul to know what the state of the game is
It REALLY sucks knowing that these fucks see my horrible KD that im UNDER LEVEL 5 with SHIT GEAR and they still hunt me down and kill me. Fucking pathetic. Needed a reason to quit this shit show and I now have it.
Honestly I love watching this because you can tell that the moment they realize you have ESP they're on high alert. Suddenly they don't have a massive advantage. It's like a predator meeting another predator and it's VERY interesting.
@@Ok-um5ho It's not generally hard to find pirated copies of cheat programs, so a lot of them probably didn't pay for it. But given how many different cheat programs there are advertising pretty steep prices, it's likely a lot of people are paying for it.
Given that the cheats are selling in the range of $100 a month, not many 8 year olds could afford to do it, and they're not likely to get away with using Mommy and Daddy's credit cards undetected. So you're mostly left with nobody but 30+ year olds.
And there's always the simple argument that if you think a couple bucks on a cheat program is a big issue, maybe you should get a better job, slacker. While I don't have that kind of money, the fact is that people who can afford these cheats are actually doing better financially that those who can't, which implies they're actually doing better at that outside world thing than you or me.
I do feel like you're projecting here a bit though. People playing games with cheats doesn't in any way suggest they're addicted to games, nor that any "high" they get from gaming requires cheats.
It's more like someone who just plays on easy mode, which is statistically more likely to be someone who isn't terribly good, and therefore someone who doesn't actually play that much. I.e., the opposite of someone who is addicted.
@@Ok-um5ho yeah! its like dude ...im 35, i got 2 kids and maybe only 4h to play in a week or two ..SAME FOR YOU!! why the F*** are you hacking and make me losing this precious time
@GloryToNazarene still no excuse man... im 35 ..2kids and over 4K hours of pubg since 2017... working over 50h+ a week (lineman). never hacked even as a teen and never will. those ppl a just Puss and weak.
@@Ok-um5ho I think that have sense that older people is the one that cheats, because they have works and things to do outside and the pay a little to progress faster and have fun, they dont care about if is ethical or not
@@Ok-um5ho this makes no sense, you expect "8 year old kiddie hackers" to be able to afford cheats or know how to code their own and are surprised that 30 year olds who actually have the money to afford cheats are cheating?
June 8th 2024.
after watching this video i learned a lot, you dont even have to have hacks to confirm a cheater, if you have a good headset and just stare at the wall you think they're behind then they will think that you have esp so they will usually back off, sometimes i confront them in voip about it and they will just blatantly admit to hacking. im so pissed off that you cant even play this game normally anymore instead i resort to acting like im cheating.
Bro is countering cheating with bluffing 😂 ride on ma man
This explains so much. I played this game for about 2 years, was never "Great" at it, but I was probably average. I remember so many of my deaths being the typical "How did they even know I was there?" Deaths aside from the other "Ok no idea where that dude shot me from". This also explains times where I would go AFK and hide my PMC in the most obscured vacant location, only to come back after 10 minutes to the post raid lobby to see a PMC killed me. There were so many instances where that happened. Seeing how common the cheaters are in this video, confirms my suspicions. I'm glad I stopped playing this game last year.
Nah you simply suck at this game.
Can't believe you lasted 2 years. When I first played the game it was great.. but when I came back and cheating had literally become the meta I quit after a few sessions. Nothing could be more frustrating.
I play diet tarkov now. Arena Breakout.
Cheaters are super common in survival games tarkov in particular because they went round on huge banning streaks but then ended up with them cheaters just getting new accounts and using cheats again..
So glad I didn’t play this wipe. I’ll play the single player part when it comes out
I've quit playing tarkov this wipe because of this and I can't possibly put to words how much I appreciate the work you've done here your a Saint amongst men.
Me too. I pop back on every once in awhile, but it really took the wind outta my sails encountering moments that were clearly someone cheating.
Its sad the people who think he is a bad person for this...
You think this is extra bad this wipe? No... This is how it has been for years, there is always a cheater in your lobby, no matter what.
I'd recommend checking out Singleplayer Tarkov. I swapped over to SPT because I just can't deal with live anymore, never looked back.
I mean if you enjoy it, why quit? I've had the same gun 12 raids now because I haven't died, and maybe got 25 dogtags with just this same gun, and I'm not cheating, so its definitely playble still.
Meanwhile in the Tarkov Reddit;
“Skill issue, hackers aren’t in Tarkov.”
the eft sub is a shithole
I've been convinced for over a year now a majority of the Tarkov Reddit are hackers who spend all day gaslighting people that hackers don't exist.
@@janintelkor No one is talking about this video in the reddit, you are getting shadow banned for mentioning this video right now.
Raid is needed mock the mods daily that they do it for free.
@@janintelkor On the main sub people are getting banned for even mentioning this.
> Is aiming at you and adjusting based on the direction you're moving through solid objects without any sort of prior knowledge that someone's there
> Laser locked on your head through foliage
"Is this guy cheating? I have no evidence whatsoever!"
...
I was a server admin for a rather popular Dayz mod server back in the day. After that experience, spending countless hours trying to catch and ban cheaters, I've never looked at games the same since.
CAn you tell more ? :D
I remember if they had multiple servers, it would save your position. So when you got the drop on some players, they would take cover, disconnect after getting your position. Then they would reconnect on another server in the same spot, flank you completely safe from fire, jump in your server and shoot you in the back. Not a hack but still cheating by gaming the system.
@@HonkHill-ev4hk ah man loot saving over multiple servers was the meta, i would disconnect in mil zones, connect on an other server, loot, disconnect and do it again until i was geared XD
Wonder how many innocent people you banned
Curious bout the server name lowkey not for a like "aha I knew there were cheaters there" or drama sorta deal just more wondering if I know the name or played there for muh nostalgia based dopamine kick.
What is happening at Tarkov reddit is sick. They are deleting all posts that are informing about this situation, even those that are not breaking ANY rules of forum. Imagine how desperate and powerless they must be if they are taking such actions...
typical reddit mod fashion. Power hunger fanboys or actually hired by BSG.
@@stormtroopers8653 both true
@@dagmaragnutek9390 yep. Considering how BSG loves kissing big streamers' ass I'm not surprised at all.
freedom of speech is overrated where the devs cpme from ;)
It's their cash cow, it's called the infinite account glitch 😂😂
I quit this game a while ago due to this and am sad to see that it's even worse than it was before. Thank you for shining the light on this. #RIP EFT it was good while it lasted.
dito!
for sure im quitting
had some of my best moments in this game hurts to stop because of this mess
I hope it wasn't intentional but this video coming out actually made the rate of cheaters worse. Just playing today I ran into more people cheating than I had the rest of the entire wipe.
yeah ditto. i got to about 350 hours in the past ... 6 months? And end of this last wipe i REALLY starting having issues where i would CONSTANTLY just get wiped out. And then the start of the new wipe... i literally was dying every single match in the first 3 minutes. I HIGHLY suspected cheaters, but I always yell at my son for complaining about cheaters...so i kept it quiet. but now i haven't played in weeks because of it. Now seeing this just confirms it. And yes.. i only play at night because i work a day job. I did notice if i played on my lunch break i'd have good matches.
A year later I have still not touched Live (online) with a ten foot pole. SPT still reigns superior for me as someone who hates the unpredictability of real players. I come back to this every now and then to reminisce. Good shit, g0at
Funny how Pestily's comment is binged with over 30k likes and "this is surely gonna stir the pot"
Yet, it's worse as it's ever have been lmao.
It's a Really Good Video that reveals a lot of stuffs, hope BSG does something about it!
The man himself
:/
Love this dude
Tons of people deleting their VODs after streaming this on TTV btw.
Asia region guy has spoken. you better listen to this BSG
Holy shit. I was one of those who thought I'd only encountered a handful of cheaters in 1000+ hours. My mistake was assuming they wouldn't work so hard to hide it.
Learnt it on CS. Made a similar "investigation" since i wanted to prove a friend that VAC was worthless (I'm talking maybe 7 years ago, don't know now since I haven't touched the game for a long while).
No aimbots or anything. Just my years of experience, ESP and exclusive casual matches. As long as people wasn't suspicious of me...i had no issues. Then i decided to make it more obvious (looking at walls following people etc) and after people started calling me out for it...i finally got banned.
That's the thing with cheaters... people expect some dude spinning around like the tasmanian devil and headshoting everybody from miles away. And while that is a possible scenario... Most cheaters won't be very obvious about it
[LONG POST. TLDR AT THE END]
When I found this out last year I felt the same way. At that point I clocked about 850 hours into the game over the previous year. There were always moments when I thought “wow that death was so sudden, there’s no way I could’ve possibly reacted to that,” but I considered the fact that perhaps the Tarkov player base was just that good, after all I’d lined up a few hundred clean headshots myself at that point and knew how quick death could rain in Tarkov.
Then I saw a similar video to this and it was terrible. I actually loved this game, and still love it, but now whenever I play it I just get sad because I know that the game and I myself as a player will never grow. Growth can only happen when every player is given the same opportunity to survive, but I could be the best Tarkov player in the world and die in 40-60% of my raids just because I don’t have ESP and the next guy does. I could go on a 10 kill game and then load up and die in the first 10 seconds. There’s rarely an opportunity to survive when you might’ve died in Tarkov, because so many of your deaths come from hackers.
I even began thinking that it’s a conspiracy, the issue has existed for many many years now so it feels like battlestate isn’t taking any issue. They made changed to the black market that prevented hackers from profiting as much, but in reality the ones who suffered the most were genuine players. Hackers can survive raids easily, players have a much harder time surviving raids in lobbies full of hackers, the amount of loot that players can sell on the black market was drastically reduced whereas now hackers just need to bunker down in raid for an extra 10 minutes and they can sell everything they looted.
It appears to me like battlestate is fine with the hacker issue because after the hackers sell their rubels or keycards online, they get banned and buy another copy of the game and do it again. The existence of hackers incentivizes players to buy rubels online, because they lose all their gear and money dying to hackers and then they want a little more just to keep pushing for another month. This way, the hackers profit off of an issue they created, and battlestate profits by allowing it just long enough for the hackers to profit and come back again to profit some more.
TLDR; Battlestate Games pimps out their players to hackers, hackers which then profit off the players desperation to stop being pimped. Battlestate doesn’t sell games, they’re selling a business venture to hackers and software developers. For hackers, buying a new EFT account is just like buying a tool to replace windows, BSG is the manufacturer of the tools and the person who sold you the house next to the hacker, the player’s either move out or pay the hackers to fix the windows which hackers broke.
@@urbansekkt6355 Now do that on Faceit and you'll realize that 80%+ is cheating.
to quote my friend when I caught him out fly hacking in Minecraft after playing together for like 3 years at that point "I wouldn't have gotten away with it for this long if I used it while people were watching"
#60%
60+% of raids... I'm done with tarkov. Probably the greatest and most informative tarkov vid I've seen so far but this also hurts so bad.
Don't take it to heart. He only showed about 10-15 people blatantly convincing. Only about 8%. On par with most competitive games.
@@Pulp95 Dude why? You're literally the problem
@@Pulp95 Do you not love this game?
@@Pulp95 I get it, You die to cheaters constantly but don't want to quit the game so you have to even the playing field. You're not the only one who's resorted to that, a few of the guys I used to play with did it too but does it not ruin the game? Like I feel that knowing where everyone and everything is would just suck the joy out of the game
@@blakeolinger1220 Im literally not because I've only killed kids with 20+ KDRs and given away prob 30+ ledx these past 3 weeks
OLD Timer here: The thing that messes with me the most is as the years went by my deaths in the game became more and more suspicious. There were many intense pvp fights where I would know where they are roughly by using sound and just wiggle at the wall towards their direction and some times they would just run away..... deep down I had a feeling something fishy was going on in Tarkov and then the wiggle that killed Tarkov came out and all my my instincts were validated.
Fever Dream feeling for sure.
I am a Korean Tarkov streamer. The video was really meaningful. This season is really serious. I will share this video with my community so that other Tarkov users can see it.
Thank you for making a good video.
Badscav on his horni alt lolol
한국인중에 Tarkov하는분들을 많이 본적이 없는데 한국에서 하는분들이 있다는거에 대해서 감사하게 생각합니다. 그리고 한국분들에게도 이런 이슈를 알려주셔서 정말 감사합니다.
you A holes were a plague on west coast servers years ago, do they not have eastern servers? lol.
Hey don't get too serious about it you know.... it IS a video game after all.
Plz try marauders, we need more Korean players (and players in general)
I watched Trey's stream shortly after this video came out and he titled it something like "NO DRAMA COOL VIBES OR ELSE." He was playing on interchange and eventually got domed in a really sus way. Trey admitted how odd it was and you could feel the awkwardness as he tried to move on like it wasn't a problem. Someone commented that he should've "wiggled". It was pretty funny.
Trey is cucking out hard with the most delusional takes regarding the video. It's wild.
trey the lil bich is crying about every death as cheater these days, entirely unfollowed him lolll cheaters r a part of the game, no point in accusing every 2nd person as cheater
Lmao now everyone will wiggle at random intervals. Inb4 cheaters develop an entire now body language to form wallhack alliances.
duuuude you have to tell us the date and timestamp we need to see this lmao
Trey is a good dude. He's done tonnes of videos showing hackers. He knows it's bad.
I've experienced such a wide range of emotions playing tarkov, I did not expect this type of heartbreak to be one of them.
I saw it coming and everyone told me i was mad for calling cheaters out
@@AlexGavProd havent thought it would be so bad.this leaves me speechless.
Truth boa... Like, im upset.... i knew, but the proof is heartbreaking
Same homie
I’m on my 5th or 6th wipe, I bought $5000+ worth of computer stuff JUST so I could play this game after seeing it on you tube I’m no good at it, but I love playing it. I’ve wondered how I’ve gotten worse at pvp over time (thought I was losing me reflexes, probably am) but in all the time playing I’ve only reported 1 player once for suspect play because I acknowledge I’m crap, but now I’m gutted after watching this.
You told him "Nice kill" to gain his trust, don't feel bad about it, that compliment wasn't honest, it was for the interview.
This is the most solid proof of Tarkov's rampant cheating problem I've ever seen. Downloading this video right now so I have it saved locally. It won't be lost to history.
@@JKLOLOMG1101 i played a bunch of old fps games competitively for years and have seen tons of cheaters in different contexts as a result, tarkov's cheats ramped up a lot since the flea market got added considering people could make money off of it. it's been fucked ever since then, i don't know percentages but i'm willing to bet at least half of tarkov's cheaters are people who do it purely for RMT reasons
That's good, just encase bsg might flag the video. They have a history doing that to channels exposing the broken bullshit in the game.
This actually hurt.
It's like when you find out that all of your friends have a nickname for you behind your back.
I do worry about the effect of this video on the community. People seeing no hope so they either walk away or have a "can't beat em, join em" attitude and cheat on their own.
Thank you so much for making this video and staying objective. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and any immediate harm done to the community I'm sure will be met by long term change.
You don't actually understand the problem fully if this is how you are thinking brother. Either that or you are really intelligently minimizing it. The problem is so bad it's not even worth playing. It has been that way for a long time but people are willfully ignorant.
@@fantomxdexrage no hes right. If you weren't having fun before now you spend $5 and have all the fun you want. The people wanting to be legit will just leave and the games going to be 90-100% cheaters. The developers dont care, the games in alpha and you've all given them $90 for extra space.
@@declanwells1887 And when the game is 100% cheaters im sure there will be tons of people to buy their RMT loots and gear.
Or it will kill the game, like it deserves.
Yeah in the recent 2 weeks tarkov was so frustrating, that i almost give up. This video confirming that atleast in 60% of matches there are cheater is the tipping me to right uninstall it now.
@GottHold Nicetomeet I didn't want to admit it, but I haven't enjoyed a raid in really 4 weeks.
I came into this wipe late, and now I feel like I won't be able to catch up. After watching this video, twice, I'm a little less disheartened actually. I realize I'm not as bad as I thought I was.
Cheaters are the reason I stopped playing the game. Played it since 2018, but haven't touched it this wipe. I know Tarkov has many cheaters, but I didn't know it was this bad. Made me question everybody. Got really paranoid. The ear-deafening silence from BSG about the severity about this problem is just a big slap in the face. Are they actively trying not to adress this? You, g0at, have done a lot to bring this issue to light. Thank you!
bsg posted the standard pr answer on reddit, made it sticky so everyone has to read it. its just a joke. "we do everything we can" "there are soon coming new updates" "its your fault for not reporting" "now report more so every cheater gets banned" "thank you for bringing the attention to an already know issue"
the good thing is that they are too stupid to give a real response and will lose a lot of players and hopefully have to get some anticheat because videos like this will be now everywhere on youtube.
BSG deserves the shit for this, for sure....but at the same time...no one is shitting on BattleEye which is just hilarious.....
@@Mark-O-V BattleEye sux for sure, but BSG is responsible for using them instead of someone else. Also, a replay after the round close where you can spectate other players would really hurt the cheaters.
SPT AKI is the way for now, you can play with bots, locally
@@gradeyundery4939 What's funny is it is the exact same format from posts that were made years ago about cheaters. Nikita is being eviscerated, even on the fucking reddit, for it.
I'm absolutely loving this. Like, I've fucked off from Tarkov for awhile and haven't even been on Tarkov-related content on UA-cam or reddit over the weekend. I went and ate some IHop this morning, went to a gun show (Note: M1 Garands, Mauser 98's, and many other older weapons are much smaller than you'd think IRL), did a bit of shopping, sat through a tornado about an hour ago, and now... Now I'm blissfully reading that BSG, Tarkov, the reddit, and everything has gone fucking NUTS in the last day or so.
Quite a turn of events, and it's only Sunday!
I watched this many months ago and was literally just thinking about it as I was watching another tarkov video and suddenly it’s only a few videos down 🤯
5000 hours in this game and I looked like a fool this whole time
do not tell me you didn't already know about this for years bro
@@DeezNuggz ur a troll dog. ive seen u post everyway belittling and being condescending af. you have contributed nothing to the discourse.
@@DeezNuggz we knew there was cheaters but we didnt know how bad it was.
@@typicallyodd2237 what the hell are you talking about dude
2.5k of hours, and same felling here... i know there was cheaters, but not this much
So what have we learned? Wiggling is the key to survival in Escape From Tarkov.
Right, if someone shoots at you, back up & wiggle then shoot them
wiggle on all fronts
There is a large amount of cheater in EFT,that's what we learnt
And how you will see what they wiggle back if you don't have the cheat?))))) emmm...?!?!??!
just walk and wiggle every 5 seconds
there should be separate lobbys for cheaters. Like a shadow ban, when a person doesnt know they are only put in the games against other cheaters
Exactly that's where they will be kept isolated and will not buy new game again, but developers don't do it because if cheater gets banned they will buy the game again.
well thats not enough, think about the market, they are screwing it by obtaining ridiculous amount of high value loot
A few games have done this
@@Legoldos the market should also be separated. So cheaters will play and trade with other cheaters in their toxic little world. And non cheating part of the game will be healthy and cool. Everybody wins
Impossible. That implies they can detect every cheater at all times to be able to match them together. If they can do that, they can just remove the cheaters to begin with.
Nothing changed to this day
Someone did this years ago, but looked at Labs specifically. He went on a large number of raids with ESP and saw that nearly all raids had at least one cheater in it.
yes
ua-cam.com/video/959-ts_WLGE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=EULGaming This is the video you're referring to it got blurred out now but the audio is still up
I did this in 1999/2000 with Quake 2 and counter-strike. Found plenty of cheaters. This is why I started playing coop games with some old guys around 2008. I can only imagine it's much worse now. Back then not alot knew enough to build a nice gaming PC. The community was smaller and better. Now every lil dickhead is online. I mostly stick to Coop / MMO now.
You’re doing the lord’s work, sir.
This is absolutely heart breaking .... Tarkov officially died for me today .. but it was needed and I am glad I watched it. Thank you for making this and risking your relationship with bsg
damn same i’m just reading the comments realizing i won’t open it today, i have 2k hours and play everyday, just can’t open it anymore/: ggs man we had fun
Single Player Tarkov Dog
@@2cuntsgaming That takes the fun out of it.
@@BarneyGumbl3 i played tarkov for the tactical aspects,, eventually you will be able to play with friends .. only a matter of time.
its been like this for years man, the wiggle trick is not new
was going to play this wipe, came across this again and changed my mind, thank you!
Good stuff. Thanks for doing the right thing despite consequences.
for a second I thought you donated 10k
Bro, the consequences?. A potential lawsuit for defamation of character and copyright infringement? All just to show what everybody already knows??? He might need more than that $10 you just donated dude... It's not about how many people they banned is about how many cheats they detect.
@@Ben-uo7mu Can't get sued for defamation if you believe it to be true or if it is true. There's not a copyright infringement lawsuit in here either
@@Ben-uo7mu alright alright calm down we get it youve watched the pestily video ,if they were to take action, this video wouldve already been taken down
@@beaupiffero6462 false*2 Pestily's video is for people who don't understand copy right and defamation.. cease and desist orders/ lawsuits take time. Which time is not on this guy's side lol...
This video just gave me my final reason to quit Tarkov. Thank you for shedding the light on what most of us figured was happening all along.
Same
dont forget to request a charge back from your bank as you didnt purchase the game ;)
@@aaronjohnson4525yeah im gonna do that tonight and I’ll repurchase access to their beta when they resolve the issue
@@aaronjohnson4525 is this a real thing?
@Lawrence yes a charge back isn't like a refund it's a forced refund if you have no recollection of purchasing it but you have to say you didn't purchase it
When I first played Tarcov it was great. Truly immersive experience.. then I came back 9 months later. I had been given a nice specked out weapon as a promo, I hid in some grass not moving, I wasn't gonna lose this thing, Suddenly some guy came running up behind me and stabbed me, he knew exactly where I was. The second round I got the drop on two guys, approached slowly, 1 then baited me while the other poped out less than half a second later for a headshot, nobody could do that if they were surprised. 3rd round I heard someone moving around.. I didn't move for 3 minutes and just waited rifle pointed at the door from the room corner, he blew me away instantly. It's ridiculous that a game about realism is just a battleground for people robbing the intention of the experience. I miss that original experience alot.
First example, yea cheater for sure.
Second example? you have to understand you make a lot of noise when you walk, I really think these two heard you.
Third example is peekers advantage. Depending on the patch it can be real bad, it is real bad right now with the current patch, was bad 3 wipes ago too. Being aggressive rewards HEAVILY in this game, you have a very big advantage.
This is why it is so hard to discern legit players from cheaters. If you play a lot, you will know what is possible and what is impossible. I can tell you from experience, gun fights don't end in 10 seconds. Sure if you play with friends, 1 might get dropped but even against veteran Tarkov players, you have a proper battle.
@@j4ck3t Yeh I can't be 100% sure on those last 2, In that second instance. I had stopped moving and was camping around a corner. While they were running around full speed seemingly unaware for at least a minute or 2. It was a perfect ambush spot, there was no easy way to flank me but I'd still need to be lucky for them to come my direction, just a big box in the middle of the mall alley, out of nowhere they went quiet, 1 peekabood from the right side of the box super quick while the other head-shotted me from the left all in less than half a second. It truly felt like I was punished for being extra careful and sneaky instead of rushing them before they noticed me through the wall.
Just make tarkov for consolle, problem solved🤷♂️
Get good. Cheaters or not by the small descriptions I noticed you are a passive player that doesn’t like to move alot. In eft that player is often a dead player
@@BlancoMD There are blocks, complete components, that allow you to cheat on console.
I don't even play the game but you made such an entertaining and informative video and I was hooked! Good job
This creates doubt in every single player, every single round and every death. That is going to be very difficult for Tarkov to overcome. This is going to have lasting impacts
Good. BSG has been sitting on their hands for too fucking long. I quit playing the official version when it became apparent that BSG wasn't going to do anything significant to stop the cheaters. The offline mods can be lonely and less challenging by a wide margin, but at least I can play the game without worrying about getting aim-botted and wall-hacked.
I think your putting it mildly, the % of cheaters in EFT is 75%-85% of the total players and BSG is ok with it because for reasons unknown to almost every commenter here (myself included) lots of ppl like playing this game with cheats, if BSG "fixed it" (remember fixing it doesn't mean patching the game it just means allowing cheats to be detected) their total player number will go down, BSG won't fix it ever and I'd bet a months salary on that!
Is it going to be difficult to overcome? Isn't this the norm? I am asking legitimately because I gave up PC multiplayer FPS over a decade ago... because cheaters were rampant and it was just no longer fun. At one time, privately ran and somewhat moderated servers were a common thing. Cheaters existed but they were easy enough to sniff out and ban. Once that stopped being a common thing because the publishers needed everybody in the company servers for MTX and silly achievement trinkets... I knew it was all downhill and I nope'd out of the genre.
So I guess I'm surprised that anybody is surprised by this content... I just assumed that this would be the norm... that everybody involved in these games just deals with it. I've played maybe four hours of GTA:Online... and was killed by griefers a bunch of times... and probably a few cheaters... and then was showered by money hacks by another half dozen cheaters. I seriously did nothing be get wrecked while occasionally pocketing millions of hack dollars. It was a bizarre experience. As far as my old man gen-x ass can tell, online gaming is a wasteland.
2 years ago i made this ua-cam.com/video/8yCVW6wYND0/v-deo.html. The was good then, don't what happened.
@@control_the_pet_population The only thing you can do is play games with servers with active admins. There will never be an anticheat to stop every hack because new hacks come out and can't be kept up with and never will be. Sometimes admins ban legit players but sometimes an admin is the only way to get rid of a hacker before his hack is added to the anticheat database because they can watch a player and tell when he does completely fake bs a real player would never do.
GTA Online is a cesspit and always because the developers couldn't be fucked to balance the game and wanted to sell Sharkcards and other garbage, they'd rather make money off the players who want to to pay to be overpowered than to make a balanced enjoyable mp game. I'd only ever play GTA Online on a private server with friends but even then, it's far less fun than I had with the SA-MP mod
This is absolutely going to hurt Tarkov so hard, I know how hard it is to make anticheat but damn, they're going to absolutely have to try to pull all the stops to get rid of this
I mean they don’t, they just use battleye. There’s no effort.
all they have to do is take a fkin screenshot
@@neaumusic that's not how anticheat works
Personnally I didn't need this proof to suspect the game to have some cheaters. I'm pretty sure everybody has been killed a weird way, multiple times. Sometimes you could think you're just bad, but when you're pretty sure you were stealth and made quite no noise, and got killed the short moment you're in sight of another player that you couln't see : it's reasonable to think that there is something else than just skill.
@@jackawaka theres lots of anti cheats that work like that
This is a necessary evil. Whatever was paid for the cheats and the new account pales in comparison to the value this insight has given the community and hopefully worth a proper responce from Nikita & BSG.
BSG is selling the cheats lol no joke but who knows
Agreed
they wont respond
Its confirmed what I have experienced. Today I died twice within one minute of spawning and have died many times to the headshot situation described.
@@gracjansm that is a very reasonable expectation. I have hope they will respond, but a very realistic amount of hope. I feel like ego and their pride in their product plays a much much much bigger part in the management of the company than it really should considering how Goat expects the video to get stricken with a claim.
Anyone cheating online needs to be perma banned and forced to get a new isp.
Luke absolutely sold me on this! I don't play Tarkov, but the human element of this is real interesting.
Almost like this is a promo to make the rp of tark funner and a new aspect
human element just ruins everything. people literally can't help but to be a piece of trash if it means short term fun.
@@NephermooreBut it’s so weird u take out all the fun Things of the Game like They have to be trash irl
It’s an amazing game unlike any other. Give it a try
@@Nephermooreit’s human nature. Even in the highest level of competition in sports people cheat to get an edge. I’m sure a lot of streamers cheat as well
This honestly almost confirms the suspicions I've always had. I thought I was going literally insane feeling like so many deaths were fishy, but since it's the nature of Tarkov for desync and weird hit boxes you can never put your finger on it.
But I'll tell you right now, the number of times I've had people seemingly waiting around the corner with their cross hairs right where my head will poke out is crazy high. The number of times I've had people seemingly b-line straight to me despite my position being ambiguous or straight up concealed. It feels like so many people know right where to look, point and click.
I LOVE this game, at least, I love the idea of it. But for a game that's supposed to be tactical, calculated, and each encounter a "what if" or "what would", there are some people with surgical level precision, when the game is on a foundational level, when played as intended, totally and completely disorienting. There is an inherent level of sloppiness that cannot be avoided when played without cheats. No amount of experience or knowledge will prevent you scrambling last minute for cover, or having to make a choice between proceeding or going with plan B, heck you might have to come up with a plan C on the spot.
You have to rely on sound, past experience, and often times limited visuals. Each step SHOULD be a well educated guess. Every fire fight should be nerve wracking. Every time you camp you should feel the tediousness but also the worry at the back of your mind.
Tarkov when played as intended should be a stressful, yet rewarding experience. It should feel like equal parts strategy and equal parts raw FPS skill and reaction time.
This CANNOT be the case when there are cheaters. This stress is cranked up to 100 when there's cheaters, and it is on top of that extremely demoralizing.
The cheating has been worse this wipe too imo. This is my third wipe and I swear the cheating is amped up so much. There has been people flying, people below the fucking ground, THERE ARE INVISIBLE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE INVISIBLE SOMETIMES TOO.
i agree. i do not have many hours in tarkov, (started like a month ago) but the first time I had a clear indication of someone cheating, every encounter there was afterwards had that thought in the back of my mind "did he really see me? or was he a cheater?"
especially when I got into an encounter, survive, and run away, it becomes very clear who is cheating and who isnt. when chasing someone, if you want to keep yourself safe, you cannot catch up to someone who is running for their life and taking every risk. but if you are a cheater, you KNOW if you are safe to run after them or not. and you KNOW when they stop and camp a corner. when I was playing with a partner, cheaters would never chase me into his line of sight. not once. but the legit players OFTEN got dropped by him as I lay on the ground bleeding out nearby.
I quit after a few weeks of that. I wanted to keep playing with my friend, but I played ALOT and every day there were suspicious players. at least one who I was confident was cheating. it wasnt fun, so i found a new game.
you should do this in call of duty. the numbers are much much higher there.
This comment right here is fundamentally why I mostly avoid realistic FPS games or those that proport to be realistic. Gamerz believe and want their decent senses, map awareness, tactical decision making, better reaction time and aim to be believed as the reason they beat you. In reality, that type of situation has so much luck and randomness you could do everything right, and still do something that gets you killed. War is not fair, the most skilled and most geared soldier won't always win because a bullet is a bullet and gamerz don't tolerate that. They pretend to enjoy the realism, but turn into man-child babies when they get owned by someone they deem lower. They don't enjoy the idea that some newb with a trash weapon has the patience of a treant, and could be in some position that is dangerous if they cross a certain area; or maybe they need to approach an area they've scouted from the outside pretty thoroughly but can't gaurantee that they weren't sighted first, and a camper is waiting patiently inside. Maybe such a player doesn't exist, maybe they do? They can't tolerate the unknown risk of failure so they'll cheat to restore justice against these inferiors.
I've experienced campers before, and they can be annoying, but I've never considered them unfair. Then again, in most other FPS games, dying is only temporary removal and you're probably easily able to get to that exact spot and if the camper is still camping in the same spot, you will likely get revenge. Tarkov removes you entirely from the situation, never to return to the same scenario, so that player got you -- period. The next time, it will be another player and it may not be that spot. Your collective game memory needs to be better, and this, I believe is the ability "high skilled gamers" lack -- full memory and coalescing of past experiences and sane risk assessment, to patiently execute something that isn't sexy, but achieves the goal. I saw this in practice with an ex-friend of mine who thrived on Call of Duty running and gunning with speed and aim; and grew up with video controllers in his hand, versus me who took far longer and will never be as dexterous. He was clearly better than me in Call of Duty (OG MW2, I maxed at 1.4KDR, he was 2.2 IIRC), and no doubt is cleaner when it comes to controller input. But after many many matches it's clear he can never beat me in Tekken, or almost any fighting game either of us had or hadn't touched, because better execution doesn't mean you win. Putting out agression, defense, flow, feint, etc that he either can't see or can't retain the memory to read how I play so he most likely to lose in subsequent matches (and we played hundreds). And in RTS games, Starcraft 1 and 2, it was also clear he lacked the ability to remember how he got defeated quickly because he forgot to build something basic to prevent an easy loss.
I haven't even finished this video yet, but I think the maker has it right. Pushing more a substantially high KDR (over 1.4) in this game, or anything that is quite punishingly realistic is huge.
@@EbonySeraphim
ofcourse i am not going to read the entire rant. that would be insane just as typing it.
but GAMERZ don't turn into babies when they loose.
that behavior is reserved for the man child boyfriends that think they are gamerz that you are used to.
the people YOU know do that.
also if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about you should just go back to the kitchen and make a fucking sandwich.
1.4kd in tarkov is shamefully low.
killing the npc scavs actually counts towards your kd.
so if you can't even kill 2 scavs each time you die then you really shouldn't be touching a video game.
a kd of 3 to 5 is average.
That Scav dying after reaching the garage is sadder than Titanic.
Lmao, titanic sad? The accident sure but you probably meant the movie? Lol. But ok, I will light a candle for that scav.
@@null.dev. ☝️🤓
@@null.dev. I'm pretty sure since the title of the Movie is "titanic", he's talking about the movie. Whenever someone talks about the actual ship I feel like they usually say The Titanic
@@null.dev. It's a horror movie for us dude
i stopped playing tarkov about 3 years ago. we had like 5 raids in a row with with really sus things happening, and then the next day i got head eyes-ed 3 times in a row within 30 seconds of spawning. cheating in games have really made me less interested in playing competitive shooters. even if they arent, the suspicion is there and its demoralizing when almost anything remotely questionable happens.
Incredible. Disgraceful. Insightful. And kinda depressing. Tarkov is poisoned so badly that I wonder if it can recover. Thank you for doing this.
im hoping he does another video where he goes ham on cheaters.
the sad truth about it.. It's been like this for multiple wipes
Too much vodka...
In all seriousness. I would just let it die and have a different developer create a similar game. There's way too much money on the table for there not to be a game exactly like tarkov taking its place, and tarkov can be an example for future games as to what happens when you fail to address cheating and disrespect legit players.
And it's not just them failing to address cheating either. If you look at their subreddit, the moderators ACTIVELY censor any conversation about cheating.
@@roadkill8161 Years....and BSG profits from it
Shit, I've been feeling this for a long time. I haven't played in wipes because of this. And I'm a person that never really buys the "cheater!" excuse. I just never felt it in many games. I suspected people of cheating, obviously. Just could never be 100% sure. Tarkov is the exception. Well, that and maybe PUBG.
You know: I was actually thinking a few days ago "maybe I'll try Tarkov, dark and darker seems pretty cool, maybe it'll help me a get a feel for the subgenre"... Letting cheating spiral to this extent in a genre like this is just insane. There's no way I can spend hours trying to learn something like this if I'll just get domed by a random cheater half the time
all multiplayer games are like this, will happen to dark and darker too (less noticeable though as the combat is janky as fuck)
@@microman502 60% is a *r e a l l y* high number, and that's not even the full number. Even during CS:GOs peak cheating, I didn't encounter a cheater 6/10 games
if you're playing solo try out SPTaki its a singleplayer mod for tarkov which allows you to tailor and mod the game to your liking 0 cheaters since well the other *players* in the lobby are bots
this game look dope
@@AtraxaApologist i suppose so yeah, never meant to say its ok that tarkov is like this, just that all games have cheaters, dont really know what point i was trying to make with that though
that conversation you guys had near the end hurts so much, i agree with everything you said. This game was a drug for me, i could NOT put it down. it felt so visceral, so real, like an all-or-nothing gamble. And sure, i died a ton of times, i lost a lot of really good loot, i died to extract campers, and i died to people i couldn't see, but i always could tell myself i just wasnt good enough and i'd get there some day. But little by little, those sudden, insta head shot deaths started piling, and this video just makes it that much more apparent...
i felt the same way as you and even spent time hacking just to enjoy the game, but i felt like i was ruining others experience, when i found out about sptarkov i moved to that and only play that
bum@@orionmlux1
@@orionmlux1 SPT is indeed awesome. wich mods are you using ? im currently using the minimap one ( open in browser with live cursor moving on the map ), the bush mod ( AI dont see you in fog ). im thinking of using SAIN mod
@@sirundying I run SAIN. It makes you think twice about every encounter you get into with scavs and I find myself scanning the horizon for enemies a lot. I feel like a magnified optic is essential. I also use SPT realism primarily for the recoil and stance changes. Having been a pretty avid tart shooter in real life, tarkov's noodly recoil always gave me the impression the PMCs are complete amateurs. The only recommendations otherwise that I would recommend are loot fuckery with the live like preset and if you do end up using SPT realism I would disable the trader and flea market changes, as they make getting ammunition very difficult and traders often simply don't have anything of use in stock.
@@sirundyingWhat is SPT? As someone who has bought the most expensive version of this game i would love to experience it fully without cheaters.
Cheaters are everywhere. Anyone who says otherwise either can't identify obvious signs of fuckery, or they're a cheater who's trying to downplay the prevalence of what they're up to themselves.
The only proof I need came with the Bungie lawsuits against several developers of cheat software. They had to quantify the damages in order to settle on an amount to sue each developer for, and their LOW ESTIMATES still put the number of CONFIRMED cheaters in the tens of thousands.
Unless you can prove that Destiny is somehow an exception to the rule on that point, you have no reason to argue that PvP shooters aren't filled with cheaters purely as a matter of probability.
Edit: alright, fellas, how about this...
PUBG has a stable peak playerbase on PC of around 700,000 people. Every week, the developer bans 50,000 of them.
That means that, on average, a full 100-player lobby will have AT LEAST six or seven cheaters in it.
You want to talk about a guarantee of fuckery, literally every single lobby is statistically going to have at least TWO FUCKING TEAMS of cheaters. And that's assuming that they're cheating as teams, rather than having six or seven cheaters distributed among six or seven teams.
I'm telling you right now, the only people saying that the cheating situation isn't that bad have ZERO idea what they're talking about.
Dude Destiny 2 PvP has more cheaters than legit players.
i would say 90% of cheaters are the pve typ of player, they dont care for competition pvp. Sometimes they go rampage because they got killed even with the cheats on..
@@Yyr85PVE players won't play a game like Tarkov anyways. They play single player games
I've played Tarkov for roughly four years and I quit two wipes ago. I don't think I'll ever go back to the game to be honest. After watching this video I'm glad I didn't waste so much time not knowing if I got killed by a cheater or not.
same
I insured I could never play again by getting my one and only eod account perma banned. Finished my third tracksuit, decided I never want to play again, ever.
Got a week worth of the most blatant game breaking cheats available for a week. Atleast 70% of the playerbase that I interacted with was undisputedly cheating. I spent alot of time trolling or forcing people to show they had info they shouldn’t. It is worse than I ever imagined.
Worst part is I didn’t get banned before my hacking sub ran out.
I had to get another 48 hours, use every game breaking feature i could. Auto loot the entire map, speed hack, fly, clip through walls, insta kill everyone on the map. No ban.
With my final 10 hours of subscription time I hunted streamers on populated servers. It took 3 manual reports by 3 large streamers to finally get me banned a week after my subscription had run out.
I did everything I could for a ban, and the only way I got it was harassing streamers.
Do yourself a favor and never ever ever play this game again.
i started playing on patch v0.4.2.717 (29 Nov 2017) and ended up quitting the game mid 2019 around patch v11.5 or v11.7. came back 2 weeks into this wipe and regretted every min of it. 2nd ever raid i went to the new map streets of tarkov. spawned in a clothing store at the back behind a plywood wall. i crouched as soon as i spawned and didnt move, waited for about 2 mins and out of absolute nowhere a guy out on the street full auto'd my face through the wall and insta killed me. so blatant that he was wall hacking lmfao. all i could say was nothing's changed and uninstalled it again
Try Tarkov SP
@@johnmonrow9981the day someone mods SP and allows for multiplayer fun with those AI pmc's is gonna be a fun day. I've gotten kappa 4 times on Tarkov now. All 4 times it was rough, and cheaters were pretty prevalent. I'm over it.
I am glad content creators like you exist, thank you for bringing this out! I hope something will be done with this problem.
the sad part is, that you will never win the war against cheaters as a GameDeveloper, especailly when most of things have to happen clientsided (wich you cant prevent in FPS games...)
I was sent over here thanks to LTT, and I can’t help but feel bad for Tarkov players who are now probably in a constant state of questioning if their death was legit and a skill difference, or if it was a cheater and they were basically hopeless. I’m sure Tarkov players aren’t the only ones dealing with this but to see it exposed and set fire to the community like this is truly something
Because of LTT? What? What do they have to do with cheaters in tarkov?
@@tatzecom they spoke a lot about this video in the WAN show, the LTT podcast. I am also here after watching the wan show from LTT
It's a problem in a lot of FPS games to different degrees. Counter Strike certainly has had it's fair share of issues with hackers... For decades.
Tour DE 'France The Olympics, Video games, War, if it can be cheated it will be cheated.
Keep on believing summer child.
@@rodney8075 Not hackers, but cheaters* Hacking takes skill and knowledge. Cheating generally only requires downloading and installing stuff made by others.
This video is the main reason I don't play Tarkov or other popular FPS that cheats are active. Thanks for the video.
"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals."
- Mom’s Ravioli 2023
Can’t think of a more stupid quote. God I hate quotes on UA-cam videos
When the ones enforcing the law are not only allowed to but encouraged to break the law themselves to get other people to break the law so they can enforce the law, you are ruled by criminals. (sad thing is this actually happens all the time)
10/10. I've never played Tarkov but this was insanely well made and educational.
My friends always tried to covince me to start playing it.
Thanks to this video I will never start to play it.
I’ve been wanting to play this game but as someone that isn’t great at FPS anyway I def will not be buying this game until something is done.
Stay away from tarkov, its pretty much a death simulator at this point
I just want to say whatever happens after this, is BSG, Nikita who ever takes you down, bans you, stops you from streaming. I won’t forget you for this g0at, your analysis on this is so needed. You have done an amazing service posting this I won’t forget and the I don’t think the community will either. I can’t express how thankful I am for you doing this, and I know my friends feel the same way. Thank you dude.
he might get his main banned for installing hacks and running them in an alt in a live game which is fair for the devs to do so
@@Otiomz Worth it.
SOooo needed. As if you didnt know cheating was atrocious. At best this only promotes more self righteous cheating. What service has he done? There are many videos like this already showing cheaters bumping into each other in game.
@@brohemian he’s not the biggest streamer but he is a much bigger voice than the people posting on the subreddit every day, the service he has done has risked his ability to play the game he streams every day. He’s risking his streaming career to being more attention to an issue that continually gets wept under the rug by BSG and moderators on the subreddit, this video has pestily commenting on commending him as well.
The Bundle that killed tarkov