Saying Drunk Leupold is Kel-Tec is unfair. Kel-Tec gun’s don’t work and they’re held together with bolts and screws, clamshell style. Drunk Leupold stuff works and is held together with much better stuff than a bunch of bolts and screws. It works very well. You’ll just end up being extremely frustrated using Drunk Leupold products and wish you had spent your money on something else. Let me be clear. Kel-Tec products do not work. The designs are cheap, poorly executed, and they break. The designs look cheap, feel cheap, feel like they’re constructed from cheap materials, and don’t handle abuse well.
@@ShortArmOfGod Not true at all. In actual practice, Leupold will make sure you're taken care of at the end of the day where a lot of others will straight up ghost you.
@Brookie it brings back the concept that HK had with the g36 carry handle optic, and its faster than a flip up magnifier or lpvo.(in theory) if the eye box was forgiving it.
I was a skeptic myself until I got some trigger time with the D evo. Man let me tell ya it was amazing once you got it down. Imagine going from nonmagnified to magnified without having to change anything with your cheek weld, you just look a little lower.
@@MrObeast44 Exactly... I've only fired this thing in Virtual Reality... BUT... it immediately became my go-to just because it was far better for my application than a pivoting magnifier or even an LPVO. This concept could have been as incredible irl as it was in vr with just some more work put behind it.
Dear Leupold... never change. LOL. Let’s talk about the VX6 and VX6HD 1-6x scopes... true 1X, offered in a nuclear bright firedot or a traditionally illuminated etched BDC reticle (depending on your preference), crystal clear glass Leupold is famous for, shake awake for crazy battery life (for an LPVO of that era) and feather weight (I think they were like 15oz) ... it was probably one of the 3 best LPVOs on the market at the time and to this day snagging a used VX6 is one of the best bang for the buck LPVOs you can find and one of the lightest to boot. So of course Leupold discontinued it. Oh, but the VX-6 story don’t stop there. Fast forward to 2022 when not only quality 1-8x are prevalent but a handful of quality 1-10x LPVOs hits the market... Leupold reintroduces the VX6 1-6x with basically no meaningful changes. At this point I’m convinced Leupold is a money laundering operation that periodically has to control their cash flow by making bizarre marketing choice or else they’ll draw unwanted scrutiny to profitability.
But Leupold's ultimate LPVO is the Mark 8 CQBSS 1.1-8x24 with the H-27d reticle it's just bad ass! Have one on the SCAR 17 and also on a 10.5" SBR/ACR. Love that that Mark 8!
Leopold really should try the D-EVO concept out again, along with the HAMR and LCO. They could REALLY do some good if they put out a second generation or new sights with similar concepts.
I loved the hamr and the lco. I still own the lco. It is clear and I never noticed the dot flicker. I do think it’s probably a pretty fragile optic though. Battery lives is fine on mine but it sits in my safe. The hamr I actually owned two and while I liked them I really wanted an lpvo so I sold them. Wish they would make a second gen hamr. The lco has way too much comp now to even make a second gen unless it comes in around $500.
@@saltysaty8686, how do you think they could improve upon the D-EVO's design? I hope it's just a next step, instead of an overhaul. I really love the design as it is.
@@pramusetyakanca1552 3,5 instead of 6 times magnification - the author of the video proposed 4x, but with 3,5 they would have even more margin for improvement, since lower magnification optics are generally more forgiving.
I remember Karl at InrangeTV using an LCO and a D-EVO for a little while and not liking the D-EVO for very similar reasons. I also remember him saying he would release a video review on it. This was 6+ years ago, and it never came out. Thankyou Hop for reviewing optics from my early adulthood that I never had the money to buy, and telling me to stay away from them. It still wont stop me from making other outdated purchases though and convincing myself it was worth the money.
I had an opportunity to try out a CQT optic when our agency's entry team cross-trained with another. I was really impressed by the optical clarity, the true 1 power image, and the nearly zero scope outline. Seriously, it looked like you were gazing through a thin, dark halo. Light transmission was excellent and the reticle pattern was useful and uncluttered. I would have bought one, but my patrolman salary couldn't eat the near $1000 price tag, and that was 2003/2004 money. I still try to find one on the used market, but they're still priced high for what they are.
Saw one on EBay for about $850 not too long ago. There’s one now at $999.99 plus $35 s&h… maybe people into clone rifles but them at that price based off the one photo of a Delta/CAG guy with one a while ago
I have 5 CQ/T s and I love them. I might let you talk me out of one. They more or less just sit in the safe. 3 of the 5 are still new. (And I must disagree with this review on the LCO. I love the thing. Have 3 of those as well.)
It’s pretty good if you can get used to it which some can. Move your eyes down a bit and now your target is magnified. Can’t get faster than that but it’s not illuminated so I’d still prefer a regular LPVO with an offset.
It’s very practical. It just wasn’t executed well. It should be 1 single optic instead of 2 and instead of the 6x being an offset prism it should just be one straight piece at 6x with a piggyback red dot. Sure it would eliminate the ability to run an IR device at 12 o’clock and force people to run offset irons, but most people run offset irons with LPVOs anyway
I aspire to be as great at my job as the Steyr and HK marketing teams. "F*ck your wants" and "You suck and we hate you" are brilliantly amazing marketing strategies that somehow get the job done.
Being old money doesn't incentivize innovation, it works against it. Look at Colt. But Leupold does come out with some great ideas every once in a while, it's not lack of innovation with them it's lack of follow thru. That and unreasonable prices. That killed more of their new launches than anything.
You don't understand what being "old money" means. Besides, this is the firearms business. See whats happening to Remington and Springfield if you want to understand how much a pedigree means.
@@MandoWookie The age doesn't matter to innovation. Ruger and S&W are old companies but they have some of the top selling products on the market on release. Colt's issue was that they partnered with Clinton thinking they would get exclusive mil rights and then the DoD immediately shafted them with a foreign contract to FN, because muh globalism. Colt basically made a deal with the devil and lost badly. Ruger and S&W almost went that route but they un facked themselves during Obama.
I gave serious consideration to buying one a couple years back. Only thing that stopped me is the crazy price tag. Very cool concept, love the idea of both red dot/holographic with a 5x+ prism within the same field of view. But eye box does need to be generous for such a setup.
I really wish Leupold improved their mid tier offerings. Their 1” Freedom scope line is fantastic for its low price, but to get into a 30mm tube you jump to their higher end lines and have to pay a fortune.
Mk4 and Mk6 series isn't a bad value compared to the S&B, Nightforce, US optics, counterparts. Leupold is basically the only optics manufacturer that cares how much their scopes weigh too.
@@bubblewhip382 Agreed about the weight! Thats one of the main reasons I lover their lvpo’s and fixed power scopes. I believe the mk4 is a spotting scope series, and the mk6 scope line is over 2 grand, a little more than I am able to spend.
the d-evo was made for army rangers. they wanted basically the acog + rmr combo, but lower height over bore. it isn't illuminated to prevent distracting light when passive aiming.
They must all have unit matched eyeballs. In order to see anything through it your eyes have to be able to match the fixed focus and fixed parallax. If not, you can't see clear targets through it and there is nothing you can do about it. It's also annoying that certain reticles similar to that of the D-EVO, which I like, come only on Leupold's very high end scopes which are then only sold to the government.
@@ralphpezda6523 it's no surprise rangers don't use it except for at least one who made a video with garandthumb, that's how i learned it in the first place.
I want more American red dot options as well. But for now, I'll just roll with Aimpoint. Even my Trijicon Credo is made in Japan. That's just where we are I guess.
Yeah, Leupold discontinued the deltra reticle version of the Delta Point - literally killing the thing that the product was named after, sticking with the round dot more common. I wound up with the Holosun 507C for my Walther PDP - because Trijicon's RMR sucks for everything but its ruggedness - from removing and re-zeroing to replace the battery, to the single dot reticles - my eyes do better with chevrons or circle-dot style reticles on RDS's. Its unfortunate that the Chicoms beat American dot makers in features and options. Trijicon and Leupold make a killing off their reputation, but like Glock they take forever to listen to what the market asks for. Supposedly Holosun was / is going to open up production here in the states, we'll see. Ultimately I think its still a Chinese company so the money is going to the CCP and its supporters, even if the sights do get made here in the US. I love my traditional Leupold scopes for what they are, and maybe they should seriously just stick to doing traditional rifle scopes since they won't stand behind their "tactical" models in the same way they do the Fudd-scopes.
@@deangullberry5148 holosun is owned by a Canadian holding company but the actual company is an oem based in China that makes stuff for alot of other companies, so Holosun is infact a Chinese company that is made in china
Like a lot of things, no fault is given to the American citizen who is extremely happy buying tons of cheaper items from some other country. It's just as much the consumers fault as it is the manufacturers fault for outsourcing. In a free market, the consumer is telling the manufacturer what they want in an indirect way, with what they will buy. This global market is probably what's avoided major war for this long. Major countries don't want to lose the business deals with other countries...... For now. So ultimately the whining isn't just because of corporate decisions. It's also how a free market, Capitol gain system shows the consumer to also choose and share just as much of the responsibility.... Not just the big bad corporation
Thanks for covering this optic! I actually was going to get an LCO D-EVO combo for my AR10 build last year but found them completely discontinued and unobtainable. I ended up going for the Elcan specter line as an alternative.
Managed to find a DEVO copy and wonder if it's worth getting for fun. Just seems like if you can't mount a flashlight or laser on the right you just mount one on the left side, not an actual problem. Sighting in and compensating for the offset scope I get. LCO seems funny to me when cheaper or even better red dots and holographic sights exist, bundling it with the DEVO I get at least.
being featured in Battlefield 2042 is not a selling point. They also featured the ugliest underbarrel grenade launcher ever made. Yes, it's real, and it was for the Grot.
Thanks Hop! Hopefully they didn’t torture you at SHOT too much. You kind of looked like you were there under duress most of the time. Like James had dirt on you and made you do interviews.🤣
What really makes me angry is that they discontinued the HAMR, now the closest thing I can get to it is in ARMA or chinese clones also you don't need to hammer through 30 settings on the eotech, just press NV button and you can flip between modes. It'll even retain day brightness setting
@@YukarisGearReviews Just won the NGSW optic contract though...idk they're a weird company to me. Lots of budget stuff on one end, and then a high-end red dot and a few different LPVO's that range from bad to great.
@@deancarr4507 The optic that won the NGSW contract is produced in an entirely different division than the ones that make their $200 chinese toilet paper tubes
Boy did you nail Leupold correctly. I have one of the DPP red dots and it works well except for the adjustment button which is inside the optic. When adjusting you finger covers up the red dot and since there is only one adjustment button you have to run through the entire spectrum to get the one you want.
I saw the DEVO and thought it was the coolest thing out there. The ability to immediately go from wide FOV scanning to a 6 power optic without having to do anything other than look seemed great. Honestly I still harbor a belief that it was just ahead of its time, before the optic design was there to make it practical. Maybe in another decade someone will try it again with a better eye box and design and will have a hit out of it. Of course I still think that a mirror inside a scope so you can use the angle of the ghost image placed on top for ranging would be useful so clearly I’m not a person to reference for optic design
I have 4 CQ\Ts and love them. (and even thought this guy doesn't like the LCO - I had it next to my AimPoint Micro, EO, ... and it was hands done much better than any of my others RDS, IMHO. Looking to buy another one if I can find one.)
Hey man, this channel is a gold mine for people that are getting into guns like myself. I almost made numerous mistakes with purchases until I watched your videos. Keep up the great work and you'll be in the 1M club one day brother :)
This was a great video and one I would encourage anyone to watch when researching optics. Out of the hundreds of optic review videos that have been posted, I think we can all agree the majority of those videos out there are essentially the same “shill campaign” they read the brochure to you, they shoot it, they whack it with something, they shoot it again and that’s it. The points you made are what people should be really looking for . Glass reflections, battery life with real world examples, brightness settings under various lighting conditions. Seeing the emitter reflection, and the mounting design are major design flaws compared to what’s currently in the market. Instead of announcing the features you provide a description of them which is something a lot of reviewers are lacking these days.
Leupold really does make impressively clear glass, even their cheaper scopes are usually very clear. I wish they'd just make a simple affordable American made ( or "assembled") T1-ish micro clone and optional magnifier as the foundation of their tactical optics line; refining them every few years as their competitors have been doing for over a decade now. I would buy that and support it in a heart beat.
Got to put a mag downrange through someone's D-EVO once. It's a really outstanding idea, honestly, being able to just glance down and boom you've got magnification exactly where you're already aiming? Big brain. But it is the most belligerently abusive eyebox I have ever had the displeasure of attempting to use. The TA31 can only dream of forcing your head into such a specific position. Heck, I've used wholeass telescopes before that were more forgiving than the D-EVO. Shooting from a bench, it was little more than a frustration machine to attempt to keep your head in place to actually use it, any positional or dynamic shooting isn't something I'd even consider attempting with one. Outstanding idea. But the execution of it is an embarrassment that shouldn't have ever gone out the doors.
I was so excited when I heard about the Devo, then I saw it at SHOT and had the same conclusion. I wish they'd kept working on the same concept, and maybe they are. It's exactly what many would want. The immediate transition from red dot to magnified optic, without a separate magnifier. An AimPoint T2 that had a switch to 4X would be about perfect, but that's just a pipe dream. But who knows what technology may bring soon?
The HAMR is one of my grail optics. It's one of my main goals in life to own one. I don't even remember where I got my love for it I just know I have to have one. I just think they're neat.
@@jonnyt16 Not quite, this love comes from WAY before then. I faintly remember the cover of a magazine maybe. Some sort of Guns and Ammo or something with it on the front. I could be wrong though! Also, good movie.
Yeah it would have been nice to get ahold of one of those HAM'R's I personally think it would have been a good seller in today's market. There are not allot of optics south that integrate a dot sight with an actual magnified optics. It would be nice to see an offset dot sight and a magnified optic built as one unit in one housing
Having just bought an EXPS3 and G33 magnifier, can't say i'd ever go back to other red dots, but these things are just wacky and cool... that is what draws attention at gun ranges.
There was a short-lived Russian company making scopes that worked in a similar way to how the D-EVO did. It was a more traditional scope with a secondary picture inside of a bigger scope by using a prismatic design. Can't imagine how much of a clusterfuck it was to use and make. They went out of business AFAIK.
I love my hamr with dpp 6moa piggyback. On my shtf rifle and has been for almost 10 years. And my lco is on my 12.5 hd gun. Have had it over 3 years. Sent it back to leupold after the first week cuz of the emitter reflection. They sent it back and said there’s nothing wrong with it just deal with it so I have. Waited over two years to change the batter on the lco and now change it almost yearly when I change all my other batteries. I have beat the snot of the hamr and the lco and frequently shoot out to 500 yards with both. Glass, eyebox, and eye relief are all better than acog. Great video as always. I wish leupold would drink more. Hashtag bring back drunk leupold
Pros: no batteries, you can drive over it with truck, does not care about recoil up to .50 BMG Cons: big-ish, heavy, severe washout when looking from dark areas to bright ones. And by severe I mean that you cannot see the reticle, no light adjustment (aside from covering the light gathering windows or shining a light on it), noticeable green tint of the glass, You can buy aftermarket light emitor for it but that defeats the purpose. I've got mine 10 years ago and zeroed it once. You can throw it in the mud, stomp on it, shake out the dirt and it just does not care. I believe the sole purpose of the design was that the IDF can issue the same exact piece to all waves of conscripts for 10 years and they wont be able to damage it. When I was in Israel I've seen old ones without any paint left on them and with parts of the glass housing cut out (so it gathers more light) and they still worked. But roast from Hop would be nice, that is for sure...
I hadn’t noticed leupolds strange business tactics with these, but I have always been frustrated with the reticle options and illumination costs in their rifle scopes. Like they’ll design their own reticle then charge you $2-300 more to get that reticle from the basic reticle. Oh you want illumination, clearly that’s $500. For the longest time too, they didn’t really make a modern long range or long range hunting type mill based reticle with .2 increments or a Christmas tree. They finally came out with the PR1 and PR2 in the last couple years. With their hunting lineup, vx5hd and vx6hd, you used to be able to either get a duplex reticle with external turrets or a mil/MOA based or BDC reticle with capped turrets. If you want to shoot longer range, it’d be nice to have both like the vortex lht’s
Always thought this was a cool (pricey/exotic) option when paired up with the offset prism. I have a Steiner R1X, which I suspect is comparable in terms of the awesome field of view.
So, not drunk Leupold is like a regular gun company.
Drunk Leupold is Kel-Tec?
Kel-Tec isnt a regular gun company
@@A-G-F- Kind of exactly what he just said.
Kel-Tec is drunk Kel-Tec
@@JohnBlaze505 Drunk Kel-Tec is Kel-Tek
Saying Drunk Leupold is Kel-Tec is unfair. Kel-Tec gun’s don’t work and they’re held together with bolts and screws, clamshell style. Drunk Leupold stuff works and is held together with much better stuff than a bunch of bolts and screws. It works very well. You’ll just end up being extremely frustrated using Drunk Leupold products and wish you had spent your money on something else. Let me be clear. Kel-Tec products do not work. The designs are cheap, poorly executed, and they break. The designs look cheap, feel cheap, feel like they’re constructed from cheap materials, and don’t handle abuse well.
Leupold survives by selling fudds gold ring scopes.
I’m definitely NOT a fudd, but when it comes to my hunting rifles, yes they get Leupolds. He is right about drunk Leupold though😂
Leupold is more American made than most scope companies and has the best warranty so it's not just fudds.
They have the same warranty as everyone else.
@@ShortArmOfGod Not true at all. In actual practice, Leupold will make sure you're taken care of at the end of the day where a lot of others will straight up ghost you.
@@NACAM42 most companies honor lifetime warranties. Leupold was the first thought
This combo looks dumbass and impractical. I love it. Wish we had more American optics that did fun and good things.
@Brookie it brings back the concept that HK had with the g36 carry handle optic, and its faster than a flip up magnifier or lpvo.(in theory) if the eye box was forgiving it.
I was a skeptic myself until I got some trigger time with the D evo. Man let me tell ya it was amazing once you got it down. Imagine going from nonmagnified to magnified without having to change anything with your cheek weld, you just look a little lower.
@@MrObeast44 Exactly... I've only fired this thing in Virtual Reality... BUT... it immediately became my go-to just because it was far better for my application than a pivoting magnifier or even an LPVO. This concept could have been as incredible irl as it was in vr with just some more work put behind it.
@@MrObeast44 my feelings too.
Cool piece of kit. Insane price tag
I think the concept behind it seems good itself, we just need a better example to improve upon it
Dear Leupold... never change. LOL. Let’s talk about the VX6 and VX6HD 1-6x scopes... true 1X, offered in a nuclear bright firedot or a traditionally illuminated etched BDC reticle (depending on your preference), crystal clear glass Leupold is famous for, shake awake for crazy battery life (for an LPVO of that era) and feather weight (I think they were like 15oz) ... it was probably one of the 3 best LPVOs on the market at the time and to this day snagging a used VX6 is one of the best bang for the buck LPVOs you can find and one of the lightest to boot.
So of course Leupold discontinued it. Oh, but the VX-6 story don’t stop there. Fast forward to 2022 when not only quality 1-8x are prevalent but a handful of quality 1-10x LPVOs hits the market... Leupold reintroduces the VX6 1-6x with basically no meaningful changes.
At this point I’m convinced Leupold is a money laundering operation that periodically has to control their cash flow by making bizarre marketing choice or else they’ll draw unwanted scrutiny to profitability.
Make this make sense:
“The VX-6 is the enhanced version of the VX-7 and is now the flagship scope from Leupold.”
But Leupold's ultimate LPVO is the Mark 8 CQBSS 1.1-8x24 with the H-27d reticle it's just bad ass! Have one on the SCAR 17 and also on a 10.5" SBR/ACR. Love that that Mark 8!
@@davida375AII think they discontinued it?
Leopold really should try the D-EVO concept out again, along with the HAMR and LCO. They could REALLY do some good if they put out a second generation or new sights with similar concepts.
I loved the hamr and the lco. I still own the lco. It is clear and I never noticed the dot flicker. I do think it’s probably a pretty fragile optic though. Battery lives is fine on mine but it sits in my safe. The hamr I actually owned two and while I liked them I really wanted an lpvo so I sold them. Wish they would make a second gen hamr. The lco has way too much comp now to even make a second gen unless it comes in around $500.
The devo is an awsome idea. I'd love a instant red dot to a 6x... but actually using it.... well if you can't use it...
The D-EVO is the only good magnifier ever made.
@@saltysaty8686, how do you think they could improve upon the D-EVO's design?
I hope it's just a next step, instead of an overhaul. I really love the design as it is.
@@pramusetyakanca1552 3,5 instead of 6 times magnification - the author of the video proposed 4x, but with 3,5 they would have even more margin for improvement, since lower magnification optics are generally more forgiving.
Best gun reviewer/story teller on UA-cam. Not exaggerating
It’s all in the voice and delivery
Anyone who doesn't shill a company's products is a great gun reviewer.
@@AnAxetoGrind Ian and Karl calling companies BS at shot-show gives me a lot of joy
That's Paul Harrell
I’m not sure that adding the “gun” qualifier is necessary. Hop is great.
I’ve heard rumblings that they have a plan for a Gen 2 LCO, makes me hopeful
Heard the same. But I’m assuming it’s years away
Heard the same but assuming it won't be good.
Gen 2 will be out this year. Has NV mode and gets rid of the 1/2 inch bolt on the side to mount. Better battery life. That's why they discontinued it.
@@mstngo blessings upon you
It was supposed to be announced at shot but I guess it was delayed again
I remember Karl at InrangeTV using an LCO and a D-EVO for a little while and not liking the D-EVO for very similar reasons. I also remember him saying he would release a video review on it. This was 6+ years ago, and it never came out. Thankyou Hop for reviewing optics from my early adulthood that I never had the money to buy, and telling me to stay away from them.
It still wont stop me from making other outdated purchases though and convincing myself it was worth the money.
@Brandon Schwertley Your comment made me chuckle and I can appreciate where your coming from...😂
Jesus! 6 years ago? Seriously? When the hell did I get old?
I've seen these for sale at deep discounts before, probably a lot on the used market too I would suspect
The front lens came out, just like in the freedom rds and delta point micro
@@gabemando7823 common complaint about holosun close emitter optic that chicom fanboys love to dimiss.
I had an opportunity to try out a CQT optic when our agency's entry team cross-trained with another. I was really impressed by the optical clarity, the true 1 power image, and the nearly zero scope outline. Seriously, it looked like you were gazing through a thin, dark halo. Light transmission was excellent and the reticle pattern was useful and uncluttered. I would have bought one, but my patrolman salary couldn't eat the near $1000 price tag, and that was 2003/2004 money. I still try to find one on the used market, but they're still priced high for what they are.
Saw one on EBay for about $850 not too long ago. There’s one now at $999.99 plus $35 s&h… maybe people into clone rifles but them at that price based off the one photo of a Delta/CAG guy with one a while ago
I have 5 CQ/T s and I love them. I might let you talk me out of one. They more or less just sit in the safe. 3 of the 5 are still new. (And I must disagree with this review on the LCO. I love the thing. Have 3 of those as well.)
Have always admired the LCO D-EVO combo but had never gotten the chance to shoot it. Appreciate the detailed breakdown of it all.
As bad as the D Evo was, I have to admit it was pretty innovative. Definitely cool, just not practical.
It’s pretty good if you can get used to it which some can. Move your eyes down a bit and now your target is magnified. Can’t get faster than that but it’s not illuminated so I’d still prefer a regular LPVO with an offset.
It’s very practical. It just wasn’t executed well. It should be 1 single optic instead of 2 and instead of the 6x being an offset prism it should just be one straight piece at 6x with a piggyback red dot. Sure it would eliminate the ability to run an IR device at 12 o’clock and force people to run offset irons, but most people run offset irons with LPVOs anyway
That HAMR just SCREAMS: “$35 ‘Green Beret Navy Seal Ranger Scope’ from Amazon.” 🤣
Just needs green AND red multiple reticles so it’s super mission configurable
@@SGCXD you get it!👍🏻🤣
Think of the Iron Man movies.
screams ARMA3 to me
But my 25 dollar wish multi reticle red dot has 5 star reviews. Cant beat that.
I want to suck as bad at my marketing job as the Leupold folks or the sadists at Subaru who won’t make a WRX hatch
As a fellow Subaru owner with two wagons I understand this pain.
When the S203 came out they put a specific question on Subarus website
“Will it come in a hatch?
No.”
I aspire to be as great at my job as the Steyr and HK marketing teams. "F*ck your wants" and "You suck and we hate you" are brilliantly amazing marketing strategies that somehow get the job done.
Wrx hatch or wagon would be kush AF
Toyota GR Corolla is the car Subaru was meant to make
The LCO and a D-EVO seems like a good gaming or FPS optic. Good on paper, but impractical in practice. o and 2 grand cost doesn't help.
That´s why I have only seen Hamr scopes in games (Like Black Ops 2 or Escape from Tarkov) and the LCO D-EVO combo in game mods
Yep, it works good as a insurgency mod replaced original 2x optic, seems not gonna work that good irl
❤️ aunt Hop.
Such a slight, soft spoken man you almost forget he’s 7ft tall
I used to work at leupold for about ten years on the machine shop floor when this was being made. It was an interesting time.
so why did they discontinue it?
@@kdworak4754 cost of manufacturing it and not using a solid block of aluminum and then they out sourced the whole thing
Your dedication to slowly going broke keeping us entertained is impressive.
Man the people at leupold NEED to see this video, very well put!
You would think that, being the "old money" in the game, Leupold would innovate a little more
Being old money doesn't incentivize innovation, it works against it. Look at Colt.
But Leupold does come out with some great ideas every once in a while, it's not lack of innovation with them it's lack of follow thru.
That and unreasonable prices. That killed more of their new launches than anything.
Kinda like Cmore with their red dots.
You don't understand what being "old money" means.
Besides, this is the firearms business. See whats happening to Remington and Springfield if you want to understand how much a pedigree means.
@@MandoWookie The age doesn't matter to innovation. Ruger and S&W are old companies but they have some of the top selling products on the market on release. Colt's issue was that they partnered with Clinton thinking they would get exclusive mil rights and then the DoD immediately shafted them with a foreign contract to FN, because muh globalism. Colt basically made a deal with the devil and lost badly. Ruger and S&W almost went that route but they un facked themselves during Obama.
Old companies define the entrenchment of status quo and destruction of initiative.
I never knew they made that d evo. Pretty cool idea really but I could definitely see it being hard to use.
I have one on an airsoft gun and i gota say its a pretty slick optic
I gave serious consideration to buying one a couple years back. Only thing that stopped me is the crazy price tag. Very cool concept, love the idea of both red dot/holographic with a 5x+ prism within the same field of view. But eye box does need to be generous for such a setup.
One of those in theory it sounds good things
I really wish Leupold improved their mid tier offerings. Their 1” Freedom scope line is fantastic for its low price, but to get into a 30mm tube you jump to their higher end lines and have to pay a fortune.
Mk4 and Mk6 series isn't a bad value compared to the S&B, Nightforce, US optics, counterparts. Leupold is basically the only optics manufacturer that cares how much their scopes weigh too.
@@bubblewhip382 Agreed about the weight! Thats one of the main reasons I lover their lvpo’s and fixed power scopes.
I believe the mk4 is a spotting scope series, and the mk6 scope line is over 2 grand, a little more than I am able to spend.
2nd that. I wish they'd bring back the VXR line.
the new VX3 HD line looks nice though
@@stewmeat9261 the vxr 2x7 turkey plex is killer.
Hop is my favorite guntuber, just above short shorts
Agree. His dry humor and delivery make him the Steven Wright to James's Carrot Top.
Love the content Hop, keep it coming! Thanks.
Never seen such a good video about devo, thanks! All the gases from an ejection port that are just flying right at the lens...
I saw the HAMR on a gun in EFT and I fell in love with it. It cost me a hefty sum but I love having it on my 14".
Where can I find a HAMR for sale?
Ebay @@Techn0mancer
I really appreciate how descriptive you are Hop. Thanks for being so in depth
You've heard of height over bore, now get ready for horizontal offset from bore!
I run a Leupold CQT-Mark 4 and it’s probably my favorite optic I’ve own. It’s definitely my favorite reticle to use with Nods.
the d-evo was made for army rangers. they wanted basically the acog + rmr combo, but lower height over bore. it isn't illuminated to prevent distracting light when passive aiming.
They must all have unit matched eyeballs.
In order to see anything through it your eyes have to be able to match the fixed focus and fixed parallax. If not, you can't see clear targets through it and there is nothing you can do about it. It's also annoying that certain reticles similar to that of the D-EVO, which I like, come only on Leupold's very high end scopes which are then only sold to the government.
@@ralphpezda6523 it's no surprise rangers don't use it except for at least one who made a video with garandthumb, that's how i learned it in the first place.
I LOVE the idea of the D-EVO and it would be cool if someone tried it again and improved it
Many have already improved it. It’s still a shit design though
@@traceyevans2757 Could you please provide the name of such products?
Seems like a spot-on assessment of Leupold.
These are great videos! This channel should be more popular!
I want more American red dot options as well. But for now, I'll just roll with Aimpoint. Even my Trijicon Credo is made in Japan. That's just where we are I guess.
But aimpoint isn't American
@@Skeletomania exactly. Because I can't get a better American alternative.
Yeah, Leupold discontinued the deltra reticle version of the Delta Point - literally killing the thing that the product was named after, sticking with the round dot more common. I wound up with the Holosun 507C for my Walther PDP - because Trijicon's RMR sucks for everything but its ruggedness - from removing and re-zeroing to replace the battery, to the single dot reticles - my eyes do better with chevrons or circle-dot style reticles on RDS's. Its unfortunate that the Chicoms beat American dot makers in features and options. Trijicon and Leupold make a killing off their reputation, but like Glock they take forever to listen to what the market asks for. Supposedly Holosun was / is going to open up production here in the states, we'll see. Ultimately I think its still a Chinese company so the money is going to the CCP and its supporters, even if the sights do get made here in the US.
I love my traditional Leupold scopes for what they are, and maybe they should seriously just stick to doing traditional rifle scopes since they won't stand behind their "tactical" models in the same way they do the Fudd-scopes.
Holosun is an American company. They use the same factory as Primary Arms, Burris, Leupold/Sig, Steiner etc
@@deangullberry5148 holosun is owned by a Canadian holding company but the actual company is an oem based in China that makes stuff for alot of other companies, so Holosun is infact a Chinese company that is made in china
gotta love whining about muh chicoms when it was good old fashioned American megacorporations that moved manufacturing over there in mass
@@KeterMalkuth the owner of Holosun lives in California.
Not even gonna try to spell his name. Their main office is (was?) In Florida.
Like a lot of things, no fault is given to the American citizen who is extremely happy buying tons of cheaper items from some other country. It's just as much the consumers fault as it is the manufacturers fault for outsourcing. In a free market, the consumer is telling the manufacturer what they want in an indirect way, with what they will buy. This global market is probably what's avoided major war for this long. Major countries don't want to lose the business deals with other countries...... For now. So ultimately the whining isn't just because of corporate decisions. It's also how a free market, Capitol gain system shows the consumer to also choose and share just as much of the responsibility.... Not just the big bad corporation
Thanks for covering this optic! I actually was going to get an LCO D-EVO combo for my AR10 build last year but found them completely discontinued and unobtainable. I ended up going for the Elcan specter line as an alternative.
I have a Lco for sale if your interested
@@samhinnant4416 do you still have a LCO for sale?
@@leroyb1876 Crap I just sold it.
Excellent narration skills as always.
Managed to find a DEVO copy and wonder if it's worth getting for fun. Just seems like if you can't mount a flashlight or laser on the right you just mount one on the left side, not an actual problem. Sighting in and compensating for the offset scope I get. LCO seems funny to me when cheaper or even better red dots and holographic sights exist, bundling it with the DEVO I get at least.
I'm glad drunk Leupold exists, the optics world would be boring without drunk Leupold
being featured in Battlefield 2042 is not a selling point. They also featured the ugliest underbarrel grenade launcher ever made. Yes, it's real, and it was for the Grot.
MSBS is a seksie gun
Traction picking up. Hard work paying off "Biggly" this year.
Thanks. - Godspeed
drunk leupold is the keltec of optics
My CQ/T is pretty neat for what it is, much like a Kel-Tec.
That caterpillar footage was riveting
Holy shit that D-EVO is some crazy stuff
I've been looking to pickup a HAMR off/on because of mw3 nostalgia. 🤣
If you’re really into the HAMR, Thor has one on his rifle in the movie EXTRACTION
@@williamflowers9435the optics selection in that movie was very strange
@@PriatingParrot the SRS on the UMPs for sure.
@@williamflowers9435 and the kobra on the mp-5
@@PriatingParrot actually, that’s a trijicon RX06 dual illumination reflex sight… but still a strange choice since they went out of style pre-GWOT
Thanks Hop! Hopefully they didn’t torture you at SHOT too much. You kind of looked like you were there under duress most of the time. Like James had dirt on you and made you do interviews.🤣
"Hop if you don't do these interviews I'll tell everyone you secretly love your PTR."
6:11 is just one of those Hop moments that lives in my head rent-free😂
Can't forget re-releasing a product, and changing nothing about it except removing the gold ring, ala the Patrol 6HD.
This guy is sharp.
Another great video, Hop.
The DEVO was so fucking wild. I wish I had just one just to have it.
I've got one currently collecting dust since I switched to a 2.26 riser for my red dot and it doesn't pair well with the D-EVO anymore
What really makes me angry is that they discontinued the HAMR, now the closest thing I can get to it is in ARMA or chinese clones
also you don't need to hammer through 30 settings on the eotech, just press NV button and you can flip between modes. It'll even retain day brightness setting
You've got the vortex prism optics too
@@deancarr4507 >poortex
Ahahahahahahhaahaha
@@YukarisGearReviews Just won the NGSW optic contract though...idk they're a weird company to me. Lots of budget stuff on one end, and then a high-end red dot and a few different LPVO's that range from bad to great.
@@deancarr4507 The optic that won the NGSW contract is produced in an entirely different division than the ones that make their $200 chinese toilet paper tubes
@@YukarisGearReviews I know, that's why I'm saying they're such a weird company to me.
My man Hop, please explain @8:40 Did you no scope some steel at distance?
Only 25y
Hop’s comments on Leupold , HK (diff vids) and other companies are truly spot on.
Boy did you nail Leupold correctly. I have one of the DPP red dots and it works well except for the adjustment button which is inside the optic. When adjusting you finger covers up the red dot and since there is only one adjustment button you have to run through the entire spectrum to get the one you want.
I have one, you hold the button for about 2 seconds which will change the brightness sequence
I saw the DEVO and thought it was the coolest thing out there. The ability to immediately go from wide FOV scanning to a 6 power optic without having to do anything other than look seemed great.
Honestly I still harbor a belief that it was just ahead of its time, before the optic design was there to make it practical. Maybe in another decade someone will try it again with a better eye box and design and will have a hit out of it.
Of course I still think that a mirror inside a scope so you can use the angle of the ghost image placed on top for ranging would be useful so clearly I’m not a person to reference for optic design
It was discontinued because it’s incredibly difficult to machine 😂
@@kw2519 It's not hard to machine. It's basically an optical periscope which is way easier than making a prism scope. Their issue was poor design.
I'd love to see the old CQT scope that was covered in rails, very 2008 tacticool
Did anybody, anywhere, ever put something on it? Or on the sides?
@@065Tim No. Not even the Airsoft world where such autistic abortions abound.
@@065Tim probably an early micro red dot
Or small laser/light
I have 4 CQ\Ts and love them. (and even thought this guy doesn't like the LCO - I had it next to my AimPoint Micro, EO, ... and it was hands done much better than any of my others RDS, IMHO. Looking to buy another one if I can find one.)
Whatever happened to your video about the Taurus Spectrum?
Great video but have to say, damn what a great camera-shooting opportunity with that snowfall. Perfect.
That is one well defended caterpillar.
Hey man, this channel is a gold mine for people that are getting into guns like myself. I almost made numerous mistakes with purchases until I watched your videos. Keep up the great work and you'll be in the 1M club one day brother :)
This was a great video and one I would encourage anyone to watch when researching optics. Out of the hundreds of optic review videos that have been posted, I think we can all agree the majority of those videos out there are essentially the same “shill campaign” they read the brochure to you, they shoot it, they whack it with something, they shoot it again and that’s it. The points you made are what people should be really looking for . Glass reflections, battery life with real world examples, brightness settings under various lighting conditions. Seeing the emitter reflection, and the mounting design are major design flaws compared to what’s currently in the market. Instead of announcing the features you provide a description of them which is something a lot of reviewers are lacking these days.
“Ancient Piece of Sheet” hahahaha 😂 I love this guy, subscribed!
I’m not going to lie the Devo really intrigued me. I’m glad someone went down the rabbit hole with one. Without being a shill.
i will never get tired of shots of hop struggling to use a product and you can gradual see his face start saying "this thing fucking sucks"
Glad to see you made it back to the woods
question, what's the balaclava was the one you had in the video that was on you.
Leupold really does make impressively clear glass, even their cheaper scopes are usually very clear. I wish they'd just make a simple affordable American made ( or "assembled") T1-ish micro clone and optional magnifier as the foundation of their tactical optics line; refining them every few years as their competitors have been doing for over a decade now. I would buy that and support it in a heart beat.
Leupold Prismatic is almost that small - if you can find one. Love that one since I have 2 of them. I wish they would bring back that one too!
the HAMR is my fave sight in escape from tarkov lol , great video as always
First time seeing your channel, I have to say that it is awesome.
Got to put a mag downrange through someone's D-EVO once. It's a really outstanding idea, honestly, being able to just glance down and boom you've got magnification exactly where you're already aiming? Big brain. But it is the most belligerently abusive eyebox I have ever had the displeasure of attempting to use. The TA31 can only dream of forcing your head into such a specific position. Heck, I've used wholeass telescopes before that were more forgiving than the D-EVO. Shooting from a bench, it was little more than a frustration machine to attempt to keep your head in place to actually use it, any positional or dynamic shooting isn't something I'd even consider attempting with one.
Outstanding idea. But the execution of it is an embarrassment that shouldn't have ever gone out the doors.
Nice mastery of Willamette Valley geography. We Wilsonvillians appreciate it.
Not gonna lie though, the LCO with D-EVO mod for Insurgency (2014) was tier one cheese. Why have a red dot or a scope when you can have both?
I’ve wanted a HAMR since the Arma 3 alpha came out almost 10 years ago. Just need CMMG to make an MX rifle to put it on
fuzzy caterpilar movin fast!
Awesome video Hop. Love hearing you speak the truth.
great review, hop!
Love your takes
I was so excited when I heard about the Devo, then I saw it at SHOT and had the same conclusion. I wish they'd kept working on the same concept, and maybe they are. It's exactly what many would want. The immediate transition from red dot to magnified optic, without a separate magnifier. An AimPoint T2 that had a switch to 4X would be about perfect, but that's just a pipe dream. But who knows what technology may bring soon?
Thanks for putting the final nail in the coffin of this optic for me
The HAMR is one of my grail optics. It's one of my main goals in life to own one. I don't even remember where I got my love for it I just know I have to have one. I just think they're neat.
Was it from the movie "Extraction"? The main character has a HAMR on his M4. What a great movie that was too.
@@jonnyt16 Not quite, this love comes from WAY before then. I faintly remember the cover of a magazine maybe. Some sort of Guns and Ammo or something with it on the front. I could be wrong though! Also, good movie.
I'm going to subscribe based solely on this review. Very well done.
Yeah it would have been nice to get ahold of one of those HAM'R's I personally think it would have been a good seller in today's market. There are not allot of optics south that integrate a dot sight with an actual magnified optics. It would be nice to see an offset dot sight and a magnified optic built as one unit in one housing
Top tier outro b roll
Great content as always bro 👌🏼
I’ve got an LCO but I’ve never managed to find the D-EVO to go with it
I have one currently collecting dust if you want to complete the set
Love those sights ...
Good job Hop
Bro your reviews are on par with Sage Dynamics in terms of quality. Subscribing.
Having just bought an EXPS3 and G33 magnifier, can't say i'd ever go back to other red dots, but these things are just wacky and cool... that is what draws attention at gun ranges.
There was a short-lived Russian company making scopes that worked in a similar way to how the D-EVO did. It was a more traditional scope with a secondary picture inside of a bigger scope by using a prismatic design. Can't imagine how much of a clusterfuck it was to use and make. They went out of business AFAIK.
I love my hamr with dpp 6moa piggyback. On my shtf rifle and has been for almost 10 years. And my lco is on my 12.5 hd gun. Have had it over 3 years. Sent it back to leupold after the first week cuz of the emitter reflection. They sent it back and said there’s nothing wrong with it just deal with it so I have. Waited over two years to change the batter on the lco and now change it almost yearly when I change all my other batteries. I have beat the snot of the hamr and the lco and frequently shoot out to 500 yards with both. Glass, eyebox, and eye relief are all better than acog. Great video as always. I wish leupold would drink more. Hashtag bring back drunk leupold
at 10:30 the handguard is pretty cool who makes it?
Are you going to review the sig Romeo 8 for night vision
I remember I saw this sight when I was a kid and now that I own my own rifles I wanted this. Thanks for explaining what the hell happened to it
You know the video is profesionally made when the end features a caterpillar hugging brass
Great content hop
Hey, what face covering is that during the snow shoot? Looks awesome!
Do you have plans to review the Meprolight M21? Been curious to see your critique on it.
Pros: no batteries, you can drive over it with truck, does not care about recoil up to .50 BMG
Cons: big-ish, heavy, severe washout when looking from dark areas to bright ones. And by severe I mean that you cannot see the reticle, no light adjustment (aside from covering the light gathering windows or shining a light on it), noticeable green tint of the glass,
You can buy aftermarket light emitor for it but that defeats the purpose.
I've got mine 10 years ago and zeroed it once. You can throw it in the mud, stomp on it, shake out the dirt and it just does not care. I believe the sole purpose of the design was that the IDF can issue the same exact piece to all waves of conscripts for 10 years and they wont be able to damage it. When I was in Israel I've seen old ones without any paint left on them and with parts of the glass housing cut out (so it gathers more light) and they still worked.
But roast from Hop would be nice, that is for sure...
I hadn’t noticed leupolds strange business tactics with these, but I have always been frustrated with the reticle options and illumination costs in their rifle scopes. Like they’ll design their own reticle then charge you $2-300 more to get that reticle from the basic reticle. Oh you want illumination, clearly that’s $500. For the longest time too, they didn’t really make a modern long range or long range hunting type mill based reticle with .2 increments or a Christmas tree. They finally came out with the PR1 and PR2 in the last couple years. With their hunting lineup, vx5hd and vx6hd, you used to be able to either get a duplex reticle with external turrets or a mil/MOA based or BDC reticle with capped turrets. If you want to shoot longer range, it’d be nice to have both like the vortex lht’s
I just noticed you have a Gemtech trek2 suppressor. I just got mine last week, very first one. Hope it holds up!
Always thought this was a cool (pricey/exotic) option when paired up with the offset prism. I have a Steiner R1X, which I suspect is comparable in terms of the awesome field of view.
I still love my Hamr. glass is superb.