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    0:00 The Pan AV is the same optic as the (also Japanese made) Hakko Panorama, which was fairly short lived as Hakko shut down in 2005. That seems to have been when Ultradot picked up the design.
    3:20 Rather than have a separate emitter for each reticle, it looks like the Pan AV has one emitter and a rotating mask to create the reticle image. This probably doesn't have an effect on the zero since the center of the dot is always in the same place, and the zeroing is done in the body of the optic.

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  • @Valorius
    @Valorius Рік тому +2543

    I was under the impression that when you switched between reticles youre just switching the filter, and that there's only 1 emitter. But who cares, it's hopelessly obsolete.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +446

      That seems possible. I figured it was less likely than the alternative because of how large/wide the LED would have to be. The reticle shape is immediately visible as soon as it starts rotating into view. Could be just a single huge emitter inside that rotating drum at the rear.

    • @brahtrumpwonbigly7309
      @brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Рік тому +30

      Hell, I suppose even that could result in a shift.

    • @gg9xfrx4m30
      @gg9xfrx4m30 Рік тому +177

      This is indeed the case, I've taken mine apart (rather destructively, it was non functional) and there's only a single LED emitter, and the ring switches between different filters/reticles

    • @Valorius
      @Valorius Рік тому +52

      @@gg9xfrx4m30 basically like one of those old candle screens that would put different images on the wall in the olden days.

    • @bt1959
      @bt1959 Рік тому +10

      @@Hoplopfheil i have some old optics laying around if you want to do more vids on antiques

  • @possumpatrol45
    @possumpatrol45 Рік тому +4140

    The Ultradot is one of the optics ever made.

  • @OperatorDrewski
    @OperatorDrewski Рік тому +3087

    The comment about developers modeling guns after airsoft guns is exactly correct. In COD4 and MW2 the M4 magazines are airsoft magazines, with no bullets in them, but are perfectly modeled mid-caps. The M4 is a JG M4 S-System - an airsoft gun.
    I've been to the Ubisoft Red Storm studio, where all the gun props were airsoft with knockoff $80 "ACOGs" and other NCstar red dots. I mean, to be fair, unless you're going for tarkov-level realism, you really don't need exact measurements of an ACOG's 3D model for a 3rd person shooter.
    Luckily these days, with the need for higher fidelity models, usually devs will now develop their models based on actual firearms, IE: MW2019. But it is still fun to spot old airsoft JG M4 S-Systems in EVERY videogame from 2004-2008.

    • @bradley9856
      @bradley9856 Рік тому +193

      oh my god thats hilarious, I never noticed that about COD4

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +608

      I had an airsoft M4 as a kid with a forward assist made out of rubber. I am almost positive the Counter Strike devs had the same one which is why the reload animation ends with the player yanking the FA.
      That's my head canon anyway.

    • @riflemanm16a2
      @riflemanm16a2 Рік тому +90

      My favorite thing about COD4 is that the charging handle on the G3 never folds forward, so your bolt is out of battery all the time. That tipped me off that the devs never touched an actual gun.

    • @julianjaimes197
      @julianjaimes197 Рік тому +137

      This is correct. My favorite in game detail regarding this is at the end of MW2, when Shepard throws the knife and you and you look down, you can see all the tops of the magazines in your chest carrier are airsoft mags w a single hole in the top for loading bbs. During the climax of the game and you're looking down at midcaps lmao

    • @dr2d2
      @dr2d2 Рік тому +27

      Don't forget some mags in gta v is based on airsoft guns ( just go to ammunation and rotate some of the rifles. Even on the menu its a hi cap for the mag.

  • @BangoJay_Official
    @BangoJay_Official Рік тому +1188

    We've all been there.
    I remember my first blister pack red dot that I got at the local sporting goods store. "Oh hey that's the one in COD4, it must be good!"
    Narrator: it wasn't

    • @echodelta2172
      @echodelta2172 Рік тому +42

      same, put one on a .22LR as my first gun. I think it failed to turn on shortly later and went into the trash...

    • @player-mv7th
      @player-mv7th Рік тому +42

      Morgan Freeman: As it would turn out, the red dot from Call of Duty 4 would in fact not be good.

    • @dogwalk3
      @dogwalk3 Рік тому +7

      @@player-mv7th i read it in stanley parable narration.

    • @JG54206
      @JG54206 Рік тому +3

      I read that in a narration voice rather than my own. Well done.

    • @TombstoneThe
      @TombstoneThe Рік тому

      i read the "narrator" bit in the Arrested Development voice

  • @stevemc6010
    @stevemc6010 Рік тому +920

    The CoD4 Red Dot Sight and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

    • @sulfur3684
      @sulfur3684 Рік тому +47

      @@kanaka118446 a pipebomb

    • @user-el4su7tl6f
      @user-el4su7tl6f Рік тому +8

      Hey, your comment sounds familiar...

    • @Cpt_JohnRackham
      @Cpt_JohnRackham 5 місяців тому

      ​@@user-el4su7tl6f Profane, esoteric wisdom.

  • @solwindp78-1
    @solwindp78-1 Рік тому +731

    Great now I'll probably have to buy an Ultradot. I have a soft spot for companies that continue to produce outdated iconic bullshit that barely works. Thanks Hop

    • @neempata3274
      @neempata3274 Рік тому +9

      any other companies you have in mind?

    • @ethanwiley7605
      @ethanwiley7605 Рік тому +93

      @@neempata3274 cmore, the russian kobra, old aimpoint tube style dots

    • @solwindp78-1
      @solwindp78-1 Рік тому +46

      @@neempata3274 Armson is another optics company that famously made the OEG that predates red dots. They still produce it along with their own ACOG style optic I've been wanting to try out on a carry handle mount (its around ~700 bucks so I've been putting it on the backburner).
      I also have an A.R.M.S. SIR handguard which they still sell variants of for truly obscene prices. Its iconic for its use in the early GWOT era as well as being in many videogames and movies (COD MW2 being the biggest one) but its really kinda bad. Not only is it unnecessarily heavy, but the lower half and removable rail sections are made of a flimsy polymer. If you mount a vertical foregrip on it, it'll flex with every shot.
      Another optic I just remembered is the Lucid HD7. It's an extremely heavy red dot that has an overbuilt housing/body made to resemble an ACOG for some reason, it has multiple reticles like the Ultrashot, and even has a setting where you can use an ambient light sensor to change reticle brightness. The objective lens is fairly small, strong blue tint, and the view is cluttered by the large housing. Very silly red dot still being sold today even though the price is >300 bucks usually.
      There is also the russian PYCAK (or 'Rabbit') optics. Supposedly they were still being made fairly recently. I have one and they're hilarious. You literally zero the optic by undoing a screw on the objective lens and moving it. For some reason the battery life seems to be incredibly long as well, I have accidentally left it on for months.

    • @resmarted
      @resmarted Рік тому +7

      They produce them because people buy them.

    • @neempata3274
      @neempata3274 Рік тому +4

      @@solwindp78-1 thanks a llt, fascinating

  • @AshyGr33n
    @AshyGr33n Рік тому +432

    The narrow frame on the Pan AV makes it the go-to red dot sights in videogames. Unfortunately we haven't quite figured out how to render a solid object out of focus, so the narrow frame comes in as an advantage when aiming down the sight.

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 Рік тому +90

      Yes, thats probably a big reason its still used in games. Since you cant simulate two eyed shooting, iron sights and red dots/holos with more thick frames suck. Especially a problem in multiplayer games, where this stuff can easily get you killed.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +116

      Make 'em semi-transparent like the iron sights in Delta Force: Black Hawk Down.

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 Рік тому +68

      @@Hoplopfheil The problem is that modern game engines for some reason cant deal with transparency. If there was an easy solution, then Im sure games wouldve come up with one.
      Delta Force actually worked around the problem by switching to 2D-sights when you aim. Its common in older games; Brothers in Arms, or even the venerable Operation Flashpoint did it too.
      It generally doesnt look as good though, especially in more modern titles.

    • @birdbrid9391
      @birdbrid9391 Рік тому +21

      "Unfortunately we haven't quite figured out how to render a solid object out of focus"
      Why lie? It's usually called some form of "ADS Depth of field" in your graphics settings

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 Рік тому +61

      @@birdbrid9391 Come on, dont just accuse people of lying.
      I had the same thought first, but I think that ADS blur is just blurring "beyond" the borders of the sight. You want the actual case to be transparent.

  • @toddinfl
    @toddinfl Рік тому +335

    Closed emitter cult highly approves this video.

  • @arcblooper2699
    @arcblooper2699 Рік тому +605

    I didn’t know there was an “original” version. Kind of nice to see, I think they’re the best looking optics on MP5s

    • @Yurik-the-marksman
      @Yurik-the-marksman Рік тому +53

      On mp5s they look good

    • @Neo2266.
      @Neo2266. Рік тому +40

      I think you think that because you’ve seen that combination so much

    • @Iisakki3000
      @Iisakki3000 Рік тому +60

      @@Neo2266. or maybe we've seen that combination so much just because it looks good

    • @Agentcoolguy1
      @Agentcoolguy1 Рік тому +12

      No way, there are more modern optics that look much better on MP5s.

    • @arcblooper2699
      @arcblooper2699 Рік тому +13

      @@Agentcoolguy1 Well seeing as we’re discussing opinions I disagree

  • @tylerhenry2677
    @tylerhenry2677 Рік тому +57

    I can confirm the zero shifts between different reticles and colors

  • @gravemindpenis
    @gravemindpenis Рік тому +115

    This is probably the closest thing we will ever get to an examine life of gaming video for another year or so

  • @RenoMay
    @RenoMay Рік тому +25

    First: “who’s buying these”
    Probably me in about 5 minutes to put on my mw2 m16
    Second: UA-cam unsubbed me and I’ve had notis on for your channel for a while.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +7

      I'll send you this one.

    • @haley746
      @haley746 6 місяців тому

      MW2 uses square red dots

  • @chrisresnikoff1741
    @chrisresnikoff1741 Рік тому +278

    I wish somebody would make a good optic in this style. I just love the aesthetic.

  • @ioele1000
    @ioele1000 Рік тому +131

    In video games I really prefer this type of red dot sight, because I hate how much of the screen other sights block. Other sights are always way to zoomed in and leaves massive blind spots on the sides. And I think it looks pretty cool irl too.

    • @CODCritic101
      @CODCritic101 Рік тому +15

      Happens irl also

    • @locklear308
      @locklear308 5 місяців тому +4

      Hell this is a problem in real life. Some iron sites are HORRIBLE

    • @KadenaSKK
      @KadenaSKK 4 місяці тому +3

      The best thing devs should do is significantly blur and minimize the shroud or make it disappear entirely to simulate shooting with both eyes open, which is how you should be shooting regardless.

    • @locklear308
      @locklear308 4 місяці тому +1

      @@KadenaSKK Would be interesting to see something new like that.

  • @TheBradyrulez
    @TheBradyrulez Рік тому +148

    I actually got one of those "Amazon specials" for free to review once from some dude in China. The bloody thing had battery life in the dozens of hours and when I contacted the guy about it, he just told me to keep it and said a review was unnecessary. For those curious it was a Feyachi and costs more than a TRS-25 with a tenth of the functionality.

    • @Ftwentytwopilot
      @Ftwentytwopilot Рік тому +44

      It's probably listening to you

    • @ChiefRezResin
      @ChiefRezResin Рік тому +10

      Feyachi is dirt cheap and it definitely is a amazon special. Although I have a weapon light from them and it surprisingly hasn’t broke yet. I put it on my 590s moe forend and it has withstood many range days of shooting buckshot and slugs. Mostly 3 inch and normal 2 3/4” slugs. Still is tight on the rail with blue loctite and still shines bright as fuck.

    • @acanuck4life
      @acanuck4life Рік тому +1

      @@ChiefRezResin which model? I've been thinking about getting an mlok one from then for a Type97

    • @ChiefRezResin
      @ChiefRezResin Рік тому +4

      @@acanuck4life its the feyachi fl11 mb tactical weapon light. Its chinese but surprisingly is holding up very well.

    • @xikungao2376
      @xikungao2376 Рік тому +3

      OMFG. It's a guy called Justin Potter isn't it!!?? He sent my entire airsoft team free Feyachi lights and vertical grips for Amazon reviews.

  • @nikik5567
    @nikik5567 Рік тому +197

    I’m actually glad u made this, purely because it tells me the source of all those cheap Chinese knock offs I’ve seen for the last ten to fifteen years. I always figured they were based off an actual optic that wasn’t *total* garbage (at least back when it was made anyway) so seeing the original was neat.

  • @dd-km2ne
    @dd-km2ne Рік тому +35

    Mom can we have red dot?
    *no we have red dot at home.*
    R E D D O T A T H O M E

  • @Gunbudder
    @Gunbudder Рік тому +42

    3:37 there is no way there are FOUR diodes in there. that would be completely insane from a BOM perspective. it is almost certainly a turret that has the 4 different lenses that are moving in front of a single diode. four diodes wouldn't even fit in there lol

    • @WdoubleyouW
      @WdoubleyouW 7 місяців тому

      yeah man he's not that intelligent .... america moment lmaoo

  • @robotbuster1487
    @robotbuster1487 Рік тому +55

    C-More sights were market in 1990's for low-to-no abuse situations, turkey shoot shotguns, bullseye and bowling pin shooters.

    • @CCW1911
      @CCW1911 Рік тому +11

      The USPSA Open Division competitors used tons of them back in the day.

    • @Marksman5147
      @Marksman5147 15 днів тому

      @@CCW1911alotta people still use them in USPSA, I have no idea why because they’re absolutely inferior in everyway and people always bitch ab them flickering etc lol

  • @ridhosamudro2199
    @ridhosamudro2199 Рік тому +398

    Wow after all these years wondering on and off about these kind of red dot sight I finally know which one is the original.
    Can you do another for the other "generic" red dot sights? I'm particularly curious about the old "tube" ones with the turrets on top

    • @kwitmeh3
      @kwitmeh3 Рік тому +22

      Dot sights originated from Aimpoint so tube styles prolly come from the T1

    • @ridhosamudro2199
      @ridhosamudro2199 Рік тому +10

      @@kwitmeh3 the 1×30 one I mean

    • @bt1959
      @bt1959 Рік тому +1

      i have 2 of these on the shelf...

  • @neurotoksyn
    @neurotoksyn Рік тому +24

    this video probably sold more ultradots in the past 2 months than the company has in 10 years
    nostalgia is a powerful drug

  • @BrassFacts
    @BrassFacts Рік тому +20

    01:29 it's also shocking that lesbian operator you picked also has the exact same haircut as you.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +9

      Still living life as the default character. :(

  • @igamewhenimbored7696
    @igamewhenimbored7696 Рік тому +39

    I'm astonished you could even track down what the original of these optics even was
    Well done

    • @Genetic_117
      @Genetic_117 9 місяців тому +1

      Fr at this point it’s just impossible

  • @Dread_Not
    @Dread_Not Рік тому +29

    My cheap Walmart knockoff version actually changes features while shooting 5.56, going from red to green, different brightness, and even different reticles. Holds the zero decent, but the "shuffle mode" takes some non-tactical appreciation.

    • @PantherCat64
      @PantherCat64 Рік тому +2

      Reading makes me almost want a "red dot shuffle" to be a normal feature you can choose to turn on at any time. It'd be fun to confuse your friends with.

    • @Dread_Not
      @Dread_Not Рік тому +2

      @@PantherCat64 I'm literally leaving the forest now with it, shuffle mode is kinda fun. I co-witness it with my irons and use a more reliable rds offset.

    • @PantherCat64
      @PantherCat64 Рік тому

      @@Dread_Not Take a video of it for me.

  • @larsmurdochkalsta8808
    @larsmurdochkalsta8808 Рік тому +90

    I don't think all of the reticles are on simultaneously.
    If I remember from my airsoft days there is a single emitter and all of the reticles are masks on a carousel and you're physically spinning them into position to display the intended reticle.
    Which is still ass cuz that's a massive dot.

    • @CCW1911
      @CCW1911 Рік тому +9

      And the zero shift problem. The knock off versions have the problem of the reticle lever moving under recoil if you put them on anything that has much recoil.

  • @TheMsdos25
    @TheMsdos25 Рік тому +19

    A very similar dot is also available in Battlefield 4 as the "Coyote RDS". Same design but with a larger hood extending in front of the glass.

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 Рік тому +6

      I remember this, also the "Chinese holographic" sight (forgot the name of it) seems to be one of those $20, Amazon specials since I've seen a few from different companies.

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree Рік тому +42

    Many moons ago, my first red dot sight was an Ultradot knock-off. And yes, changing reticles did affect the zero. It wasn't the greatest experience, but I could see the utility of a RDS. So I replaced it with an Aimpoint PRO.

    • @articcenturion8387
      @articcenturion8387 Рік тому +1

      You went from cheapest red dot to most expensive red dot.

    • @michaelblacktree
      @michaelblacktree Рік тому +2

      The PRO was only $400. There are lots of red-dots more expensive than that.

  • @bunnyoperator
    @bunnyoperator Рік тому +219

    I genuinely believe that this is the best video you've ever made because it traces the origins of the quintessential "FUD" optic. We may never fully understand why FUDs do the things they do but this is certainly valuable insight into that mysterious culture.

    • @ReptilianLepton
      @ReptilianLepton Рік тому +24

      Surely a C-More Railway on top of a Mark III Hunter would be even fuddier.

    • @bunnyoperator
      @bunnyoperator Рік тому +22

      @@ReptilianLepton The C-More has softer lines and looks like a pre-evolved SRO in caterpillar form. It has a special place in my heart. 😂

    • @gunsandcommissions
      @gunsandcommissions Рік тому +22

      @@ReptilianLepton The C-More is super fudd, but a Sightmark is peak poor fudd.

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 Рік тому +28

      Go back to Hop's video on the Sightmark. The fudds arguing in favor of it over the big name red dots is hilarious.
      "Kyle Rittenhouse killed 2 men with this - how many men you killed with yours?!", is their default argument now.

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 Рік тому +11

      Fudd optic is a bit contradictory, isn't it? Unless it's a fixed power 8x with a basic cross hair.

  • @kksan
    @kksan Рік тому +24

    I purposely bought one of the knockoffs from amazon in order to complete that CoD4 MP5 look with my SP5 lol. It just brought back so much childhood memories.

  • @yomama3622
    @yomama3622 Рік тому +13

    Hop roasting Ubisoft was not what I expected today but it’s welcomed

    • @sartorialdriver6528
      @sartorialdriver6528 Рік тому

      First thing I thought of was how it was most recently in Breakpoint and actually diminished my perception of the game's quality through it's inclusion.

    • @kwitmeh3
      @kwitmeh3 Рік тому +1

      @@sartorialdriver6528 ubisoft and quality don't go together very well

  • @minimunny8368
    @minimunny8368 Рік тому +264

    Really like these reviews of old trash-teir red dots. Curious about the Triji RX01 reflex and the C-more, because there's a ton of them on the used market and I wonder how they stack up today

    • @ridhosamudro2199
      @ridhosamudro2199 Рік тому +6

      From the hear-say I see on the various forums they're held up pretty well.
      It's just they eat a lot of space on the rail compared to more recent offerings.

    • @solwindp78-1
      @solwindp78-1 Рік тому +9

      There are apparently quite a few different versions of the RX01, so your mileage may vary. I briefly owned the RX01-NSN 4 MOA dot version, tritium had long since died. I would not recommend buying any of them now considering that the tritium is dead on most of the used ones at this point (They did sell them until fucking 2020 according to the Trijicon website though so there might be some new ones around? Who was buying them I wonder). Without the tritium the dot is extremely dim and almost completely unusable. The tint is very strong, probably as bad as the sightmark in this video, and there is some glow/distortion around the edges of the objective lens. Additionally, even when they were new, these optics had a problem with being washed out by sunlight or flashlights which is why the polarizing filter (that screw-in extension up front) was added. The polarizing filter is also your only way to adjust brightness on the fly - you can rotate it like a flashlight bezel to change the amount of light that passes through - but keep in mind this is literally just a pair of adjustable sunglasses, so you are dimming your sight picture as well.
      I have seen them on the used market and the prices they command are really kinda silly. Many of them sell for far more than Comp M2/ML2s do and they're definitely significantly worse. If you have to get one at all, I would only go for the iconic triangle reticle.

    • @solwindp78-1
      @solwindp78-1 Рік тому +3

      I'll try to upload a few old pictures of the RX01NSN. UA-cam hates links so go to imgur and add this to the end of the URL: /a/HcWzVEl

    • @minimunny8368
      @minimunny8368 Рік тому +4

      @@solwindp78-1 Very awesome input! I wonder of Trijicon can replace the tritium in those optics like they do with older ACOGs. It's surprising to me that they sold them until 2020 lol
      **EDIT** Apparently re-lamp services are not covered by Trijicon, so if you get one and the tritium is gone then you're pretty SOL unless you know a guy who re-lamps those optics

    • @solwindp78-1
      @solwindp78-1 Рік тому +5

      @Random Pickle I don't know if Trijicon actually offers that service for anything other than ACOGs, but keep in mind they usually charge anywhere from 250-550 dollars to recharge an ACOG depending on how old it is/which model. Sometimes they will just do a recharge, other times they will need to replace all the internals, its up to them really. Also Trijicon will check the serial number to see if it was USGI issued, as they only service those through the military. So if your optic walked off from an arms room somewhere (I know the RX01-NSN was part of the SOPMOD kit, although it was commercially offered as well) they won't work on it.

  • @ja0298
    @ja0298 Рік тому +15

    I just thought this was a generic cheap red dot design. Had zero idea there was a “first” version.

  • @chaimafaghet7343
    @chaimafaghet7343 Рік тому +4

    Hop is going to do a tide pod spit take when he finds out you used to have to wind down your car windows manually.

    • @bushwhackedonvhs
      @bushwhackedonvhs Рік тому

      Hop is like 30 dude

    • @chaimafaghet7343
      @chaimafaghet7343 Рік тому

      @@bushwhackedonvhs Yeah nice try I'm going to have to see ID before he gets served.

  • @antpassalacqua
    @antpassalacqua Рік тому +40

    the ultra dot and match dot are actually really good for bullseye pistol and rifle tbh

    • @CCW1911
      @CCW1911 Рік тому +12

      Also popular for NRA Action Pistol AKA Bianchi Cup competition.

    • @ChevTecGroup
      @ChevTecGroup Рік тому +1

      I figured most competitors used C-more red dots. They always seemed to be the most popular open emitter competition dots

    • @CCW1911
      @CCW1911 Рік тому +2

      @@ChevTecGroup C-More is popular in USPSA Open where the light weight and no tube is an advantage shooting fast, but anything that requires accuracy they aren't too good, the crazy way the windage adjustment works makes it tough to get a precise zero and then they wander, plus they tend to have parallax.

    • @milehigh3054
      @milehigh3054 Рік тому

      Best sights there are for bullseye shooting. I have a bunch of them. Some of the best.

  • @Windowlick_
    @Windowlick_ Рік тому +29

    I use my pan av with my pano nods because im a pansexual

  • @mrmactknife
    @mrmactknife Рік тому +7

    I bought something that looks exactly like this 5 or so years back to use on airgun. The pellets hit where the dot it, so I guess it worked well enough. You spoke about battery life, i forgot to turn it off after a shooting session once, it was still working a few months later :O

  • @robertsmith2300
    @robertsmith2300 Рік тому +23

    Babe wake up, hop posted another subscribe star video

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +9

      Go to bed you have a match in the morning

  • @Taseden
    @Taseden Рік тому +15

    After all these years I finally know what the "generic" red dot really is. Thanks for making this. I always thought it was some long forgotten US made/designed optic. I always wondered why we never saw these on legit IRL fighting guns. I have a knock off (on airsoft guns no less) for the nostalgia. Surprisingly works well for airsoft.

  • @quironmiranda2591
    @quironmiranda2591 Рік тому +7

    I’ve been trying so hard to find the actual real one ultra dot except I didn’t know what the real on was called. So thanks for making this useful video

  • @YukarisGearReviews
    @YukarisGearReviews Рік тому +6

    >not choosing the best sight

  • @DoritoWorldOrder
    @DoritoWorldOrder Рік тому +7

    Before I knew much about guns, I once bought an "Aimpoint" at a yard sale for $200. Looked just like a modern Aimpoint optic, except for a simpler mount, and appeared genuine, so I thought I was getting my first serious military-grade red dot sight for half the price of buying one at the store. Turned out it was one of their ancient pre-CET/ACET models (the advanced power-saving circuitry that gives the things their famous 40-50k hr battery life), and boasted a whopping "1500 hours" battery life - akin to budget optics of the time from the likes of Bushnell and Vortex that I could have picked up for $80-125... so, having no real collector value being a mass-produced optic from the 90's, the thing was pretty worthless on the resale market, and ended up as a very expensive beater sight on a .22lr plinker.

  • @chinesemassproduction
    @chinesemassproduction Рік тому +5

    I had always wondered what the originator of these "Amazon red dots" were, and I got my answer. Thanks, Hop.

  • @jakehorvath9001
    @jakehorvath9001 Рік тому +11

    I've owned Ultradot Pan AV before and it is a pretty solid red dot. It's not good as a general purpose red dot, but it's great as a range or competition type red dot. I would not describe it as cheap feeling, it is made in Japan like other Ultradot optics. No zero shifts from shooting mid-caliber rifle rounds with it on. I'd highly recommend it as a pistol red dot for competitions if your pistol has a picatinny rail. Supposedly it has good durability, but I never tried breaking it.

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot Рік тому

      Who runs a pic rail for optics on a pistol anymore, though?

    • @Dee_Snutz69
      @Dee_Snutz69 Рік тому

      @@immikeurnot competition shooters

    • @jakehorvath9001
      @jakehorvath9001 Рік тому

      @@immikeurnot Mostly people who do competitions or use revolvers

  • @Isgolo
    @Isgolo Рік тому +5

    As a European with 0 gun experience I cant see what's wrong with the reflex design, is it not accurate? What is the problem with this style of sight?

    • @BassFlapper
      @BassFlapper 4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah same here. I would've been interested to know more about this sight in a 'Forgotten Weapons' style of video.
      I feel lime I'm missing a lot of context here...

  • @MagicPrepper
    @MagicPrepper Рік тому +6

    I have no idea why I needed to watch this but I am still glad that I did.

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +4

      To be reminded of the bad old days. COD lobbies and airsoft guns.

  • @UmUs
    @UmUs 7 місяців тому +2

    Always my go to in games, looks clean af and pairs nicely with SMGs

  • @S.Collins
    @S.Collins Рік тому +4

    oh god its the Red dot that makes me mad every time i see it in video games

    • @drphil6303
      @drphil6303 Рік тому +1

      I use iron sights before this monstrosity in any video game

    • @brisingrprotogen1739
      @brisingrprotogen1739 5 місяців тому

      Do either of you understand that people want to, you know, have fun shooting guns and not use an optic that blocks half there screen?

  • @drphil6303
    @drphil6303 Рік тому +2

    This will match perfectly with my Amazon peq 15, that i got for a mail in rebate

  • @DamienDarkside
    @DamienDarkside Рік тому +12

    Still, I'm going to choose this one out of most of the optics in video games.
    IRL it may be shit and obsolete.
    Video games it is a very unobstructed sight that take up significantly less screen space that most optics or... ughh... iron sights of the majority of weapons.
    One of those situations where video games and real life won't mesh until VR does more. I'm sure there are other sights, but with how recognizable the "reflex sight" is most people playing will go to that as intended by video game design.

    • @brisingrprotogen1739
      @brisingrprotogen1739 5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah anyone who complains about these sight being in games cause it's unrealistic needs to sit down and understand that most people don't give a fuck.
      There's a reason why the elo sight from COD BO3 is considered one of the best sight in any cod game

  • @humorss
    @humorss Рік тому +3

    I never knew there is a genuine version of this dot that holds zero on guns. Now I want one.

  • @tedh7543
    @tedh7543 Рік тому +4

    Romeo 5 is my go-to affordable Red Dot. Around $100 it is a solid quality optic for the money with all the modern technology.

  • @wildcat8598
    @wildcat8598 Рік тому +10

    Years ago when I knew jack shit about firearms and bought my first AR (yes it was an Anderson 😂) I bought one of these. Think it was a Firefield or some shit but I remember thinking “damn why do guys spend so much on an AR and optics?” Wel needless to say nowadays I get it ever since I started training I found out quickly what works and what works best. Nowadays my main one is setup for NV with a 10.3” Super Duty with XPS3, LS321G, Surefire M600 both ran off Modbutton Lites. It’s funny looking back at how I was then compared to now but luckily I made friends with some guys who knew what they were doing and bullied me into better stuff😂

  • @nejinaji
    @nejinaji Рік тому +5

    Hop is playable in break point who woulda thought

  • @tskwared667
    @tskwared667 Рік тому +4

    I remember looking up “red dot sight” and being confused as hell when aim points would pop up

  • @BadCompanyGeneral
    @BadCompanyGeneral Рік тому +2

    Ahhhh the RPD and Franken AK in COD 4 and MWR with the Ultradot.... Good memories...

    • @andreivaldez2929
      @andreivaldez2929 Рік тому

      The image of that glass housing with the backdrop of Shipment is burned into my mind.
      Good times.

  • @BigDuke6ixx
    @BigDuke6ixx Рік тому +3

    These sight are great for long lens photography, especially if you want to photo wild bird. They are also used on telescopes as red dot finders - useful for aligning go-to scopes.

    • @Moonstone-Redux
      @Moonstone-Redux 7 місяців тому

      Nikon and Olympus now have dedicated cold-shoe mounted dot sights using the same principle. I have the older Olympus version that only comes with one sight picture and has an eye-searing brightness even at the lowest setting.

  • @docternoblex
    @docternoblex Рік тому +16

    What’s annoying is when people double down in saying these are viable. I get my optics called trash because they’re “too obstructive” or “too heavy”. Yeah that’s because the Aimpoint PRO is the most versatile red dot on the market

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 Рік тому

      Honestly, other people's opinions don't matter. Just tell them to screw off.

    • @chadington6029
      @chadington6029 Рік тому +2

      It's people who are too emotionally invested in inanimate objects that think whatever they bought is inherently the best. Best you can do is give objective reasoning such as battery life, durability, etc and hope they listen. A lot of people think optics that cost $40 are "just as good."

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Рік тому

      "Versatile" it's a red dot. Puts a dot where you are aiming. I don't need it to order KFC.

    • @docternoblex
      @docternoblex Рік тому +1

      @@Bourikii2992 but can it hold up to being dropped? How about shifts in temperature? How long does the battery last?
      That’s what I thought. Buy Aimpoint.

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Рік тому +2

      @@docternoblex Good question, obviously this guy doesn't care because he never tested any of that shit lmao. They obviously work being sold for this long and not being cheap.

  • @SillyCrilly
    @SillyCrilly Рік тому +3

    I still find it goofy when Soap is about to throw the knife at Shepherd, and you just see mid-caps for airsoft guns on his plate carrier.

  • @Haitch_Kay
    @Haitch_Kay Рік тому +40

    You can (or could) still find one of the knockoffs in Tarkov- the Walther MRS. Tarkov also has, bizarrely enough, NCStar shit and freaking UTG optics and gear. Literal airsoft tier stuff.
    But then again Tarkov is about on par with Ubisoft "tactical" games nowadays so I guess it's to be expected.

    • @taylormartin4346
      @taylormartin4346 Рік тому +6

      Tarkov's weapon customization is about the only reason to play it these days

    • @nfaisnfgay
      @nfaisnfgay Рік тому

      I love all the TarCucks who think Tarkov is a 1:1 battle trainer or something. Honestly surprised the game ever had players - but then again I guess people need to do something if they don’t have a full time job and hobby.

    • @AlexDenton0451
      @AlexDenton0451 Рік тому +7

      @@taylormartin4346 not even almost all builds besides meta stuff isn't viable.

    • @yungpark6435
      @yungpark6435 Рік тому +9

      I’m pretty sure the airsoft shit is ironically included in the game as we see guys out in Ukraine using holosuns and condor gear on both sides, if it works might as well use it

    • @Haitch_Kay
      @Haitch_Kay Рік тому +22

      @@yungpark6435 Holosun isn't airsoft shit at all. And no, the cheapo airsoft stuff was in the game well before the recent events in Ukraine.

  • @Samurai_Aldo
    @Samurai_Aldo Рік тому +4

    For $20 I just put it on my 10/22 and charger pistol. Had no issue with it.

  • @St0RM33
    @St0RM33 Рік тому +3

    Well at least it's better than having no optics at all..

  • @24YOA
    @24YOA Рік тому +7

    Raise your hand if you were 13 and thought red dots / reflex sights were completely different things ✋

    • @Hoplopfheil
      @Hoplopfheil  Рік тому +5

      I used to think EOTechs were reflex sights and stuff like the PanAV were red dots.

  • @MorningGI0ry
    @MorningGI0ry Рік тому +1

    2:55 that just unlocked a memory I forgot I had.

  • @dookfields2362
    @dookfields2362 Рік тому +4

    This is literally my criteria for the red dot I wanted: standard lvl 1 video game red dot

  • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
    @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Рік тому +41

    I always liked this optic in games, least obstruction of your fov.
    I never considered something like this to use in real life because it looks, by design, hopelessly unreliable/fragile. If an optic aint bomb proof, it doesnt belong on a fighting rifle in my opinion. Acog is still the king of combat optics in my opinion.

    • @my9thaccount140
      @my9thaccount140 Рік тому +3

      Still saving up for one. The fact that it’s a battle tested sight with illumination that doesn’t use batteries is enough to sell it. Holy hell they’re expensive, but hey if you’re gonna spend some ridiculous money on something spend it on the thing that helps you hit what you’re aiming at.

    • @TheOneWayDown
      @TheOneWayDown Рік тому

      Well, acog for a magnified optic, then an aimpoint pro or eotech for 1x seem to be the ones that are not only bomb proof, they're almost Marine proof

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Рік тому

      @@my9thaccount140 theyre really not that expensive all things considered. Leupold has some $5,000 optics thatll make you scratch your head going, "but why?"
      Ive seen ta31's as low as 6-700 bucks... never in the reticle i wanted though... i think i spent about a thousand on my ta31 with acss reticle.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Рік тому

      @@TheOneWayDown yeah, i just dont see the point in an unmagnified optic, especially for the cost. An aimpoint m68 is getting very close to acog prices...

    • @pewpewTN
      @pewpewTN Рік тому +3

      @@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Because red dots are miles better than irons & why the hell would you want magnification on a PS90 or MP5?
      There is absolutley a place for 1x.

  • @ChiefKEEF571
    @ChiefKEEF571 Рік тому +6

    Is there going to be an overview of Arms S.I.R. Rail now?

  • @macsweene
    @macsweene 7 місяців тому +1

    Anyone else remember being mesmerized by the red dot effect in cod4? Also probably one of the first games that i recall seeing with this optic.

  • @ultimategamingfriends
    @ultimategamingfriends 5 місяців тому +1

    idc if its outdated, this shit looks so fucking nice on MP5’s and UMP-45’s and so many other guns, its imo also super nice it doesn’t block your view as much as other optics typically do

  • @pingwenhung8327
    @pingwenhung8327 Рік тому +3

    Despite it being a garbage sight, ngl I would still prefer this sight over other EOTech sight in games, given the "frame" of the sight doesn't block a lot of the screen, giving you more view when ADS compare to the other sights.

  • @Pasuno242
    @Pasuno242 Рік тому +5

    >China / Japan
    >Southeast Asia

  • @Scandalous0001
    @Scandalous0001 Рік тому +2

    Turn the setting to Circle circle,dot dot now I got my cootie shot..

  • @EeZ3-808
    @EeZ3-808 Рік тому +1

    I have my PanAV I bought 10 years ago. It still holds zero and works flawlessly. It used to live on one of my AR’s in the beginning, it now lives on an AKM. It works. So I still use it. Aloha 🤙🏽

    • @GrendalTheBeasty
      @GrendalTheBeasty Рік тому +1

      I didn't know there was a version of this that wasn't the crappy $40 amazon special. I'm kind of tempted to buy one now just for the lols. $140 isn't that much for a red dot tbh.

    • @EeZ3-808
      @EeZ3-808 Рік тому

      @@GrendalTheBeasty yes, made in Japan and very decent quality for something back then.

  • @MultiTelan
    @MultiTelan Рік тому +3

    2:58 “and now you have your cootie shot” I have no idea why that came to mind as soon as I heard it.

  • @ch3cksund3ad
    @ch3cksund3ad Рік тому +22

    Anybody that had an airsoft gun growing up, probably had a cheap one of those growing up
    I always took mine off though, loving iron sights
    Also yeah, Ubisoft is a rinse and repeat company sadly. An it's all really bad now

    • @M5aru
      @M5aru Рік тому +1

      iron sights ftw

  • @pepsiman397
    @pepsiman397 Рік тому +1

    theres a great reason to buy one of these, they're aesthetically pleasing
    i don't buy guns for optimizing home defense i buy them to have fun at the range

  • @privateassman8839
    @privateassman8839 Рік тому +1

    I bought a similar optic from Evike (it was for an airsoft Ak74), and the brightness/color settings adjustment wheel (it came with a red/green/intensity selector) was de-synchronized from the actual settings. When you selected the brightest setting on red, it displayed a green dot, and I had to take it apart to re-align the selector. It's held zero (on an airsoft gun) so far, and I'm happy I got it for only $25. (I bought it at a discound, which might explain the selector issues)

  • @indianOutlaw87.5
    @indianOutlaw87.5 Рік тому +3

    I actually would really like a sight in this form factor but with modern amenities like shake awake auto shut off and a longer battery

  • @undersc0r
    @undersc0r Рік тому +3

    Man I remember researching this thing a while ago, although the earliest design of this red dot I was able to find was the ADCO solo sight.

  • @chincemagnet
    @chincemagnet Рік тому +2

    I have a cheap $30 knock off I got on Amazon, it’s not like I’m taking it into combat, it’s just for fun and I can hit what I’m aiming at. It’s better than iron sites imo if you don’t have an optic and just want to grab something cheap until you can afford something decent.

  • @sonickiller360
    @sonickiller360 Рік тому +2

    Always wondered about what the og version of this dot was. Now I know.

  • @davidduke3417
    @davidduke3417 Рік тому +5

    I like this video, these have a lot of history (gaming) and I never hear this optic being talked about. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SON! 😤😤😤

  • @rwicerino
    @rwicerino Рік тому +7

    hop have u ever considered outfitting an mp5 with an under barrel launcher a lá half life? ever seen it done?

    • @McBanditHope
      @McBanditHope Рік тому +1

      Dew it hop

    • @Calvin_Coolage
      @Calvin_Coolage Рік тому +2

      There is a 25mm UGL made specifically for the MP5, but I'm not sure if it was just a prototype or not.

  • @jameing3176
    @jameing3176 7 місяців тому

    1:30
    I love how no one noticed how he showed breakpoint for like 5 seconds and wildlands for over double that time, and he still calls it just breakpoint.

  • @ChrisD__
    @ChrisD__ Рік тому +1

    As a video game guy and not a gun guy, I left this video with more questions than answers.

  • @CannibalWarthog
    @CannibalWarthog Рік тому +4

    1:28
    Cannot tell if that is a dude or a chick but either way it looks just like Hop lol

  • @HariboStarman
    @HariboStarman Рік тому +3

    Ghost Recon Wildlands/Breakpoint red dot 🙄

  • @HeavilyArmed
    @HeavilyArmed Рік тому +1

    I have a Sightmark version of this red dot on my home defense shotgun. I like the circle dot reticle for it in that application. At some point I’ll replace it with a smaller Truglo Tru-Tec style red dot. At the end of the day, this style of red dot is basically exclusively a basic rimfire optic.

  • @The_Tactical_Wook
    @The_Tactical_Wook Рік тому +1

    I’m glad you are doing reviews like this. It’s hard looking for quality when all I can afford is cheap

  • @jimbo1278
    @jimbo1278 Рік тому +3

    i get thease for old school "rainbow six vagus" inspierd builds. wallhangers, range queens and airsoft toys realy.

  • @AKKK1182
    @AKKK1182 Рік тому +5

    Okay but you failed to actually explain what's wrong with it.

  • @Blitzkrieg_Wolf
    @Blitzkrieg_Wolf Рік тому +2

    But Hop, haven't you heard? Nostalgia adds 15% more accuracy.

  • @darrenberkey7017
    @darrenberkey7017 7 місяців тому

    The VR shooter Hot Dogs, Horseshoes, & Hand Grenades has this sight and it features the reticle selector knob with all of the same reticle styles as the real one.

  • @johnbeauchamp1743
    @johnbeauchamp1743 Рік тому +3

    It's about game mechanics. This red dot has the best first person sight picture model. sorry gun nerds

  • @plmkoo6772
    @plmkoo6772 Рік тому +5

    Bideo bames :D

  • @ES-uz4tu
    @ES-uz4tu Рік тому +1

    Ultradots are still very popular in the Bulls-eye shooting communities. I see them all the time in competition.

  • @ghostface6947
    @ghostface6947 Рік тому +1

    I put my real red dot on my airsoft, increases my accuracy but decreases my ads speed

  • @Noir1998
    @Noir1998 6 місяців тому +1

    the original generic red dot is actually a walther mrs

  • @SDLXVI
    @SDLXVI Рік тому +1

    No way you just dissed the best red dot ever made

  • @Moondog2A
    @Moondog2A Рік тому

    Thanks for finding out who made this design originally. I tried finding that out for one of my first YT reviews but misattributed to Sureshot. I've linked to this video so folks can get a better background.

  • @ryanblackgoat4741
    @ryanblackgoat4741 Рік тому +1

    I seen a dude with a Wilson combat AR-15 with one of these and no backup sights...it broke my heart..hahahaha