miniature painting is so weird lol pt 1
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
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I learned that panting to a TTS is not only perfectly fine but lets me get through the pile of shame a lot faster. I knocked out over 1,000 minis in 2022 and I am on pace for 1,000 in 2023.
I have a hard time with basic color theory, so I actually went out and bought the 3 primaries, a titanium white, and a true black and now I just blend all my colors for every project each time I sit down. It's produced some terrible results, but I'm loving the new puzzle and I can see significant improvement with every new model!
I'd suggest a color wheel, and to grab the colors cyan, magenta, yellow, and black (or paynes gray). The 3 primaries are for light, but when concerning reflected surfaces (like what we do) they don't produce the same results, hence why you might have more mixed results than you wish. Also knowing the pigments and their interactions will give you more of a universal understanding and you can more easily take that between paint ranges.
Thanks Garett! When I was first starting, I mixed a lot because I didn’t have the budget for so many colors! When I look back on those results, yeah, a lot of them were kinda muddy, but it was still super fun! And I’m not inhibited from starting a project because I don’t have the right color!
Thanks Leonardo! Yeah, I’ve seen a few really cool videos about just using CMYK and mixing from there. Pretty fun.
Zenithal... I think everyone should try it out, as it really makes you learn how to use the translucency of most acrylic paints to your advantage.
My big one one was my Nicodem Ressers. All those zomboids, zenithed and given a few layers of glazes... sick.
I don't think i would ever do another army like that, but it did put a few things into perspective for me, and yes, it made me a better painter.
When I started mini painting (for, I suppose, the 3rd time) in 2020 I was doing both the underpainting and the glazing manually. No access to rattlecans and I hadn't heard of (or just didn't own) contrast paints. While I definitely have a lot more paints and different coloured base sprays now, the flexibility of choosing how I underpaint and contrast/glaze means I can experiment/iterate with pretty good speed without the fear that the attempt just won't work.
I don't really paint in a consistent 'style' though. Even the gangs I've painted are sometimes given finishing touches so far aprt from each other, remembering how it was done was never an option. I guess the colour use and model choice is a much better indication of stylistic harmony across my collection!
Great video. Zenithal base costs have only ever worked for me when applying contrast type paint over it. I’ve never really seen the point for most paint jobs. I really enjoy the work up method however so it’s what I tend to stick to. It also means I only need one type of paint (basis opaque acrylics) for al my painting needs. I also find it easier to replicate consistently.
thanks for the explanation on why I don't paint in that GW style (no care for consistency), insightful as always.
Haha thanks as always Greg!
I recently got into physically painting. I've done art digitally most of my life, so things like xenathol highlights clicked with me in theory. However starting out I quickly realized it didn't work well for me. So now I'm slapping colors on and finding what works good for me.
I like the GW method, largely because of what it lets me ignore. I'm a hobbyist painter. I don't care about the nuances, I just want my minis to look nice when I use them in a game. The GW method lets me buy some base paints, some contrast paints, a few metallics, and note think about anything else. It keeps things simple and saves me from investing too much time, effort, or money into the hobby. I admire people who know more about painting than I do, and who can do cool things like edge highlighting and...stuff. But I recognise that that's not for me, at least not for now. And yeah, I only have one shade of white.
Thanks for video,
Interesting thoghts.
I think taking it one step further, the thing that companies teach you is that you have to use Acrylic paints. You never really see anything non-water dilluted in wargaming. Untill you find Blanschitsu or came across some of weird alcocholic paint from Vallejo. Not saying its bad thing because lets face it: its easiest start. But there are ways to explore
I have many strong opinions about mini painting. If there was one thing I wish I could convince people of is that consistency matters far less than people think. Yes, buy that pot of paint that is exactly the colour you are painting 100 models. That's convenient. However, if that paint gets discontinued and you have to use something close to, but not exactly like it, it really won't be that obvious, and even if it is, it won't look that bad. Colour variance is happening with modern clothes for a variety of reason.
So: yes, buy the colour you want but don't worry about being consistent.
Thanks as always Coyote ☺️
I love playing around with new techniques, usually, the minis I'm painting are what influence the way I paint, I do use the classic G.W. style a lot because I paint a lot of G.W. stuff and it just gets the job done to a decent standard, but when I mess with other stuff I like to just see where the mini takes me.
The main thing that I think is important in regards to consistency (other than keeping armies looking uniform) is just within the model itself for example I painted an old hammer Necron (space crusade android) that was really lacking in sharp edges so it would've looked really weird if I did a classic G.W style paint job as I would've had to only edge highlight certain portions and skip the bits that were too rounded.
In order to keep it looking uniform I just painted it neatly and figured less is more as the lack of edge highlights overall was less jarring than having a mini with random edge highlights here and there if that makes sense :)
That’s cool, thanks for sharing TMS! Yeah GW is a great platform to build on, but it isn’t always the right play. I’ve also had minis where the details were mushy, and I’ve had to fudge edges. It’s…interesting 😂
The cost of paint marketing is “Money!” Regardless, I always recommend new painters to never compare their works to others. Paint to a point you’re happy with and then improve from there.
Great advice, Be-Noble! Thanks as always!
Makes me sad that so many mini painters don't mix paint and dont understand pigments or color theory. I rarely use multi pigment paints it's just so samey same. Mixing single pigment paints is truly a joy and creates better results. Imo.
The question is why you are out of focus? But the minis look amazing. You are a great painter by the way!😉 Great points as well.
LOL I KNOW IM SORRY T______T. I focused before I shot, but I messed up T_____T. Thanks for sticking with me
@@CornerCase oh thank god i thought i was still drunk
I think it has a lot to do with when you started and what you had access to. I started back when 3ed edition 40K was released but Reaper was what was easiest to find locally. So because they use a triad system I learned layering, glazing, and lining (they had a range of liners). I learned from watching Jen Haley and Marike Reimer at GenCon painting classes. This is also why when 40K folks said I needed more highlights I had no idea what they were talking about (they meant edge lining everything). It wasn’t until I got the old Painting Citadel Miniatures book that I learned their way.
But if you came into the hobby with PP, they had a lot of feathering and smooth blends and so you might have l learned that. If you joined with early Infinity, Angel’s specular highlight points style might have been your default. And now it’s slap chop and contrast paint style.
I think I personally moved away from layering and lining like I knew because I got tired of people (read 40K players) commenting on my figs. And now I moved to slap and dash because I have a lot of boardgames and figures to paint and my main opponent is my wife who isn’t fussed by not having Golden Demon efforts on our Zombicide figs. :)
I still have many figures I have just for painting with no game attached and for those I do take my time with layering and blending. Though it gets harder as my sight gets crappier (I can’t really see most of a model’s details without magnifier glasses) and my hands get less steady as I age. :/
Thanks Alex! I haven’t been in the hobby as long as you, so it’s really interesting to see the progression of the hobby. Super cool. I actually didn’t know Reaper paints have existed for that long. I’ve always been using them, but I’ve always been one of the only people I know using them. Super cool, thanks so much
Never really gave it much thought to what style I painted in. I was never taught to paint minis but I do paint a ton of GW. But what I do know over painting for the past 25 years that I’ve grown from painting like a 3 year old to maybe a high schooler. Good stuff. Would like to see everyone’s take a use of water with paint and getting best quality look. Good times
Hahahahaha thanks Chris. I think I’m going to try Rattle Can NMM Chrome soon
As an older painter.(started before Youtub.) I most of my techniques came from trial and error. And talking to other more skilled painter how they got that effect. I would say there is some value to the GW method its uniform and lends itself well to painting a bunch of space marines. But I have been trying to get back to the characters of the mini that im painting. Who is this dude? How is he different from that dude there?
Thanks Kook! That’s awesome-the storytelling of a mini. It really enriches the hobby, and makes your army personal. Makes me feel the warm fuzzies
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This brought to mind a recent video from Kathy Millat on different approaches to highlighting figures: ua-cam.com/video/9BdKYEQU9H8/v-deo.html
Haha thanks Colonel!