How GW SHOULD Teach Miniature Painting
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:32 Ork Preparation
2:31 Try Hard on ONE Thing
7:41 Bonus Pantaloons
9:40 Speed Mode Option 1
10:31 Speed Mode Option 2
12:44 The Metallic Revolution
14:47 Base and Final Bits
15:17 Final Reveal, Thoughts and Outtakes - Навчання та стиль
The old army painting saying goes "face, weapons, shields, and banners" for a reason. Those are the parts of the model/army we are most drawn towards. Great video Ninjon :D
Ninjon: Use 2-3 hours on the skin and 2-3 hours on everything else
Me, who uses 1 hour on the whole model max:
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It sometimes takes me days to finish one model 😂 it’s because I either don’t like how a specific part turns out and I’m also very tedious. And taking long breaks in between as well
I know I've said it before, but I'll continue to say it. Please never change your intro. The chair spin with the goofy face is priceless.
To be honest, I think that GW's painting guides are great for one thing - they are really easy to explain and to remember to anyone new in the hobby. And they are great to learn the most basic of techniques. Also using the premixed colors for basetone, midtones, highlights helps a ton with decision making. I think GW's approach is actually one of the best ways to start because it requires zero understanding. And then of course you evolve.
To add to this, the eavy metal style is good for making customers understand what all the details on a model look like
Glad I started my journey with them.
@@WilhelmScreamerYou could argue the opposite as they add detail that isn't there like with leather detail on things like pouches.
Agreed - it's a really good starting point to hold your hand through and make you feel more comfortable tackling a model in stages rather than being overwhelmed. I know attacking GW or insinuating theyre the devil is great karma farming online, but inferring that a company is being nefarious by promoting their own products seems a tad excessive here for me.
Great for one thing…making money
Haven't finished the video yet. But all I have to say is "wow", you actually taught folks a way to paint. A way to paint that will form a very solid foundation to efficient and scrumptious finished paint jobs. Especially the part about not slopping a wash over everything!
Thank you for not overcomplicating this tutorial. I feel like I could actually replicate that. Usually paint tutorials have me trying to buy 80 different paints from 6 different companies to try and get an exact shade/base/etc. I really appreciate the 'use what you have' attitude!
To be honest GWs love of jibbly bits break up the surfaces so much that even just painting the details a little makes them look great. And the fact that the skin and face are not cluttered calls them out even more. Great work.
This was an effective painting tutorial, allowing us to see your thought process on how to get quality speed for a model and army. I have recently started to experiment with contrast/glazes over metallics and I love the effect. Experimenting with them more has sort of unlocked a cheat for a hybrid of TMM and NMM effect that I need to work out more
Yeah it’s a cool look
It's what I'm doing with the Alpha Legion I'm working on right now.
@CyberDagger nice! Oh I bet those blues and greens will look amazing
The well painted skin makes me kind of infer that the rest of the paint job took the same effort as it
I love that this was more about crafting the approach to painting than the paint itself. And, yeah, i think my eyes focused on the well done parts which formed my opinion of it.
I liked the older sculpt of Snikrot going Shhh! much, much more. You saw that on a table, and you'd want to pick up a funny Ork shushing you because he's trying to be sneaky. This guy? Could mistake him for a standard Kommando Boy. It's in a very un-Orky, paradoxical way the wrong kind of nondescript.
This painting guide is an instant classic. Excellent work!
I agree with you completely, and the figure came out great.
I think Orks are a great starting army for new painters, as it's okay if it's a bit messy or the color scheme is a bit crazy, cause that's just how Orks are by nature.
I also think it's the smaller details, the highlighting, shading, stippling, and wear marks that make the biggest difference.
I’m new to 40K and painting minis in general (I’m a DM so painting skills will come in handy there too) and this guide made it so much less overwhelming. Thank you for this!
Going into the warm/flesh colour highlights on Orks is a really good thing to teach... You are 100% correct in that it brings it to life more. You can go even further and use a crimson/purple sort of colour and glaze it into areas like inside of wounds and the inner lips.
I'm just getting into painting Orks, and really I think this is the Army I have been waiting for... Learning a lot from these guys. I was looking for something to paint to teach myself glazing properly, and Ork Skin is perfect for it... The fact they are pretty big minis as well is great.
I really enjoy that you actually show longer shots of close up painting and don't rely on click baity nonsense. Really enjoying your content and its helped me out.
I like this slap chop-esque method, but I like your other method better (See the video titled: This Will Change How You Paint Warhammer FOREVER, from 8 months ago): undercoating with the shadow colour and hitting the zenithal with the basecoat colour just skips the first half of the steps shown here, it very literally changed the way I paint; I didn't even have to change the colours you used (Purple, Blue, Magenta), it turned out great on my entire team of Marvel Crisis Protocol Sentinel's, and it gave them all a cohesive look like they were existing in the same world.
That Ork skin looks wicked though, great use of Sons of Horus Green
This is such a brilliantly in depth but not overwhelming tutorial. I'll be sure to try and use these techniques in my own mini painting :) Great work!
I love this. You're totally right. I've found the models where I paint each part with whatever technique works best has always ended up more enjoyable.
Mega agree with you here, having some deviation in my army recipe keeps everything fresh, I practice different techniques in more depth on various squads/characters. You can tell when you zoom in but they all still look great on the tabletop 😊
Amazing video as always, and ironically something I was looking for as I go into building actual teams (Blood Bowl). I really appreciate the idea of doing the model in two parts as you mentioned. To answer the question, in the case of this model you finished I am initially drawn into the skin and mouth. The attention to detail there did make me feel as though the entire model was painted to that level, even though you did find shortcuts with areas such as the metallic areas. Thanks again for the great video.
I appreciate your exploration of different techniques and systems of painting, especially with the goal of getting "good enough" results in a reasonable time frame. It's really helped me improve as a painter while still enjoying the process since I don't get too bogged down in getting everything "perfect".
I have never even thought of using fireslayer flesh or iyanden yellow over silver to make different metallics. This is absolutely going to change some of my painting! I think the model looks great and I especially love the pinks/reds that are placed on his elbows and knuckles. Really sells the "blood under the skin" vibe.
I like your videos because you share your own tips and tricks that work. Like how you just choose a set of colors or how you paint all metallics and then use contrast over the top. Thanks
Such a great concept, explained so well. The thought of having one or two focal points per model that take most of the painting effort feels like the logical evolution of speed painting. Thanks as always for your insight and for making it feel like anyone can achieve this level of quality.
This broke me in a good way. I’ve been painting for a few years. I’ve been doing commissions. I’ve been feeling overwhelmed lately, and this video made me rethink my entire process. Thanks again!
I've been using this painting approach for a long time, it's great! Experimenting on what you can speed paint and still have the model looks great is a journey. And it's destination is both fun and productive 😁
Same here. However, I try to save the unique miniatures till the end of painting que. That way the most polished version of the paint scheme gets on the most unique model. Those experiments are done on the peons so I don't feel like I have to redo or fix them.
Doing all metals silver is an approach I started a while back and I've never looked back. Silver goes on so much better than most other metal colours, it's made metals much nicer to work with
Painting like this is essentially applying a photography technique to your mini. You're drawing the "focus" of the piece to the important parts, and bringing out lots of little details. Then, the things that are not "in focus" can have their details slightly lower and faded.
In short, it's a very smart technique. 👍
I'm excited to start working with your contrast over mid-silver process. Did a quick test already and loved the effect and ease. I think this would be a great thing to expand on in a future video. Thank you for the amazing content.
I absolutely love this advice. You're a hero of my early painting journey, grounding my imagination back in reality.
This boarding patrol is literally my first foray into the hobby, and you had to post this video as soon as I only have the gitz and Snikrot left. I feel personally attacked 😂
All great points here, emphasizing highlights, and a thoughtful mix of contrast vs traditional paints. Had a little trouble getting into it when the title suggests GW should push this style for everyone, and then you immediately jumped to airbrush, but I'm glad I stuck with it.
Nice, I like the concept that there are certain areas that are higher value when painting. This resonates with whats worked for me. I often will get a few flashy parts looking real good, but be fairly basic in other areas.
Very relatable, the same goes for painting seraphon. The first things you notice are the scales and shields, so putting the most effort into those makes sense
This is a terrific simple process. You've managed to encapsulate what I try to do and have given me some additional really good ideas. Great video
A great idea. I have been wanting to play around with single coat paints, so just spring for some Vallejo Xpress. But wanted a little more than slapchop. I think you have found a great middle ground. Slow and more traditional where it's most impactful, quicker use of single coat where you can get away with it. With a good if not great overall look, as you are drawn to the more detailed and impactful parts.
I need to find something to experiment on.
Backpack and the face are the focal points for me. That’s a great job!
Looks great. I am always amazed at how much edge highlighting works.
big fan of this video and the message in it is so true. keep knocking it out of the park.
Ninjon, has shown me the ways of the air brush! Once I start getting back into painting proper (winter season here in the midwest) I'm going to be pulling out that little electric charge-able airbrush and base coating in-doors. I mean that's how its going to start at least...then I will eventually try to find a budget condenser and look into really spreading my wings with air brushing once I finally get the hand-to-knowledge of just how vital and useful this tool is.
This tutorial is really great. Everything both makes sense and also looks great. I’m looking forward to painting my next ork with this method.
Dude , love your videos. You and miniac have made me find my passion in painting, thank you
I love how your "quick" paint jobs still make most others look like a child finger painted them. Nice job, always love new tips and tricks.
This is probably one of your better videos lately. I'm gonna try that combo for the flesh.
Hes so cool. Nice job. I love how he has many of dog tag that he wears with pride !
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You are correct. I like this procedure that you came up with. I especially love the way you painted metal. I will be using this from now on
This video is fantastic! I've watched it about 10 times now, and it is my absolute favorite combination of all the different methods everyone shows off. Thanks for creating this for us!
That violet strap on the handle is great. The black -rambo- knifes too
I think you made a good point there. My approach isn't much different. I try to think how much detail I need to put in each miniature part so I can be happy with the results, and put the necessary work there, no more, no less. With my black templars, I try to use three layers in the clothes, two edge highlights for each panel, and wet blending 4 reds in the cloaks, because that's the minimum effort I need to put in so I can have the results I want. But I only do one highlight for the weapon and leather, and just a wash for the metallics and the inner suit; I'm happy with how those look that way. The end result is the more impactful parts have more work, and saved some from the small details
Great video for getting a good understanding on painting skin. Love the no BS tutorial.
Love redneck version of you.
.... that's his cousin right ? Thought that's why they look similar. Same dad n all.
@@jc7997aj cousin… brother… Brousin.
He should do a tutorial once
That is Daryle! Hellz yeah!
Yeah, but I also like the version with the baseball cap and flannel shirt 😛
Great video. Would love to see more videos about painting models using ONLY the stuff in painting starter kits. My wife got me an army painter kit which had a paintbrush, 20 paints (2 washes, 2 metallics) and the videos that TAP provides don’t go into enough detail for starters. How do you thin the paints properly, angle of the brush, how to load that one brush you have, and beginning to mix to get good colors for edge highlighting? The total beginner video using a set. Thanks!
I definitely agree with the thesis of this video that concentrating effort on one highlighted portion of the model elevates the whole thing to another level, but I think doing things like spending time edge highlighting every surface (especially when it comes to something like a rank and file troop) can get superfluous and overly time-consuming.
I think it's a great video. I've had the issue for years of not wanting to skimp on how I try to paint models, even rank and file Empire State Troops, and it's been the bane of my existence. I also struggle with having confidence painting differently as I'm happy with the quality I'm getting just not the time or the fact that I'm rarely able to finish anything.
I like the idea of doing models to a decently high standard by focusing on the main areas and then taking less time over the others. In reply to your question at the end of the video, yes my eye is drawn to the more detailed areas first and foremost. I can't speak for anyone else of course but I do find my brain telling me that even the less refined areas are high detail because they're obviously complete and have the same approximate range of tones.
It's a great thing to see, as most of the time I look at completed models they're all done the same way, either high-detail and time consuming or rough and ready. It's refreshing and inspiring to see that mixing does work this well! Thanks!
Literally the best tutorial I've seen! Thanks, saving so I can watch multiple times for reminders.
Honestly, this is a fantastic paint job. Thank you for this, I can spend *hours* on a single model at times because of the issues you're talking about.
I will try this next time I give it a go.
Paint layers inside out; skin, clothes, armor. Helps when coloring outside the lines.
This was a really helpful video - the territory in between 'painted quick (looks like ass)' and 'I am never ever playing a game with this/edge highlighting until i die' is a tricky one to navigate - this gave me some really good ideas for approaching painting a 28m scale army while integrating a bit more finesse (intelligently) rather than just contrast paints / washes everywhere or base coat/wash/done. nice one.
Even the quick jobs are more than just fine. Way better than GW battle ready. But the extra effort on the skin definitely helps too.
This is a great system for getting nice models on the tabletop. A nice middle-ground approach that keeps the skills growing.
I really like this approach. This is what I’ve been doing with my Orks. The skin is definitely the most important and as long as everything else has some highlights and a shade it will look pretty good.
My eyes are most drawn to the points of contrast. The bits of white on the black blade, the bright lenses on the dark goggles, the shine on the chain armbands. The skin/face/pants are almost the last thing I look at.
You are describing the exact way I paint my models. But I just never though about it. Maybe I should be more public about my painting :b
You are so freaking lovely and I love your content!
watching you paint inspires me to do better and keep keep painting! excellent video, gorgeous mini, and as always, helpful insights. Thanks!
Thanks for the tips Jon! Definitely going to try those tips for metallics
Brilliant video! Thank you for making it! Really helps me make proper painted Orks!
this is an awesome cartoony style I can see here. amazing! Need to start experimenting with pigments. Love your idea about "middle silver". Great content
Legitimately some of the best advice ive seen in a painting video in a long time. Do these methods in batches and you'll have a whole unit/army done before you know it
This method looks great, I'm currently repainting my Trollblood army for Warmachine and much like this model there is a tone of random bitz on the models with a good amount of muscle showing and I think I'm going to adopt this method to getting them painted, Thanks Jon can't wait for the next video :) .
Closest recipe i've found for GW's ork skin is a base of Elysian green, a light recess shade with Biel'tan green and layer on Ogryn Camo mixed with base for highlights. For a personal flair I usually do a final highlight by mixing in a bright yellow into pure Ogryn Camo to make the whole thing pop.
The color choices were amazing and you’re totally right with the place to focus on
Beautiful… that highlight to the sword really zips!
Bases and faces. Tried and tested. Slicer for everything metal makes sense when you can't change what it is with a shade of contrast too. Great work! 🤘😎🔥
At the end of the day, every techniques, approach, painting philosophy, etc. is good if 1) it make you enjoy the painting and 2) it make you finish models. The rest of the journey is up to you.
One of the bets advice and take on this question of where to focus on. And how. Awesome work again :)
I would honestly pay for a series on this. Mixing exposure to a teacher and practice by myself would really make getting this balance of time and effort really natural and intuitive.
I've been painting orks for a long time. I have both a aos and 40k army, and to be honest I learnt alot from this video. Probably more than I should admit.
I think it looks really good. Its basically what I've been doing with my "table ready" armies. I spend most of the time around the face or other areas that usually draw the eye then slap paint on the rest.
This is great. I feel like this is my skill level currently .
My last mini I took basically this same approach.
Thanks for all you do
Great vid mate. I had thought the GW painting guides were long gone, but now will need to go searching again. I really like the idea of spending time on one thing to catch the eye. Good tip for the metallics also.
To answer your question, I think you may need to say to spend time on one thing on each side of the model. My eye was drawn into the backpack on the rear of the model and the time you spent on that felt like it had a good effect.
I'm new to 40k and I am equally nervous as I am excited to start painting them. Your videos and tutorials have helped ease my anxiety towards it more than anything. I love your content! thank you for all that you do!
my eyes are drawn to the face and the blades. luckily the blades look really good, even if simple! complicated doesn't always look better!
also a lot if nor most of this is very close to my own paiting style that i've just sorta organically found myself sliding into and getting comfy with over the years
I am starting to paint literally this weekend. I aspire to be this good and have my models come out like this. Wish me luck!
Dude this looks great! Props for the Miniac shirt and for painting one of the coolest models GW has ever made.
This is probably my fave video of yours. Just excellent. Well done.
Thanks for breaking that down. Absolutely inspiring! 😊
I found myself looking immediately at the lenses of his (night vision?) goggles, but then drifting down into the face and the chest. So, while the skin might not have been the first thing to catch my eye, it was definitely a close second! I think the bold colors on those lenses pop against the more desaturated colors of the rest of the model, which is the only reason I didn't look right at the face. Stellar work all around, though! Thanks for another great vid.
i'm new to the hobby and haven't spent much time highlighting yet. the tip to limit the highlight pallette is all the motivation i needed to do it
Amazing result and a very reasonable approach!
Old fashioned base, shade and layer is king. You learn the long way and then you know how to streamline it.
I really like that approach to metallics, im going to have to give it a try.
Love those colors !!
I have always wondered why they shoe horn into either Layering or Contrast methods and not mixing, food for thought, highly useful! Thanks :D
This is great! It's all about the faces and bases.
love how you did metalics on this model, gonna try it out soon.
I started Warhammer a year ago, and I gotta thank you for making me more confident in painting, the Citadel/GW system scared me when I started
Loved this metallic idea.
Dunno if anyone's mentioned it yet, but this sort of technique, that is getting a good mid-tone, then targeting shadows and highlights deliberately, is kind of how a lot of really old "how to paint" articles they used to run in White Dwarf and some Citadel books waaaay back in the day. There's an old 'Eavy Metal article about basic painting from some mid/late 80s WD by (I think) John Blanche himself that really was eye-opening in how they used to paint studio minis back in the day (and how they recommended you paint your dudes).
I think the shift to their current methods is just because it's really easy to explain over and over again when you're putting out examples for nearly every model.