I spent my working life in electric motor repair.Our main work was for the Lift industry,OTIS,SCHINDLER etc on DC gearless motors and Generators,but we repaired all types of motors from fractional HP to 6 Ton pump motors. Our shop was in East London England and started in 1919.
whoever the gentleman that is the winding tech ... you can see in his face and actions that he actually cares about what he is doing... industry could use more professionals like this man! :)
Back in the 60's I worked in HVAC. Rebuilds were cheaper and better motors than new factory because higher quality components were used such as bearings, coated wire, and precision balancing. Small rebuilders staked their reputations on the quality of their rebuilds.
I used to rewind a different types of electrical motors many years ago , I really enjoyed all the procedures and the testings. Thank you for posting this video.
I was a rewinder in Australia. had a megger meter to test for earth leaks, and a prufrex to test for short circuits in the windings. as above used to heat up the stators so the coils and insulation would come out easier. As an apprentice the single phase coils were wound on nails in a piece of wood. 3 phase we had a piece of wood cut to the shape of the coils, only would 1 coil at a time, so 48 slots and 48 coils took a while. unpowered winder was hand cranked. after all the coils were inserted the coils were connected into groups. very tedious work. later years had to metal plates with rows of holes all over them they were bolted onto the winder with a spacer between. put paper tape on the outer side with holes put through the tape to show where the pins had to go. had a varnish tub to dunk the windings. alot of what I did I saw in the video but their clean up is better, better to work on a clean stator. had a winter with 52 frosts in a row got lots of water pump motors to repair. for coils had some U shaped formers in varing sizes they had a wide part where the winding went on and a thin backing on one side and a slot up the middle of each the width was about 1 inch on the first and 2.5 inches on the biggest there was7 sizes. used them for lots of small motors. the coils were long with round ends very easy to use. could have a Davey 1.5 hp 2 pole in the oven from starting the first coil in 20 minutes. to old to do that now.
Είμαι συνάδερφος απο Ελλαδα που κάνω περιέλιξη πανω απο 40 χρονια και θα ήθελα να μου δώσετε πληροφοριες που θα μπορούσα να βρώ το μηχάνημα που κόβετε το στεφάνι της περιεληξης για να το προμηθευτώ . Κάνετε εξαιρετική δουλειά και έχετε τα θερμά μου συγχαρητήρια. Ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων.
I’ve worked in this industry for 25 years. In some cases small motors are replace unless the motor is not available off the shelf! Larger rewinds are normally more cost effective over replacing unless the motor is in bad mechanical shape or has core damage causing heat losses in the stator or rotor core.
THAT company is doing a great job of repairing that motor. Rewinding is the hardest job to my belief. You have to be careful not to damage the enamel insulation of the wires; a job of great patients! And you have to connect the wires in a certain, precise way, otherwise you have a rotor that doesn't turn the correct way or not turn at all, or burns up the coils and trips the breakers/fuses. Job well done Global Electronic Services!
@Charlie K Low Voltage (parallel) 220 230 240v L1=1&7, L2=2&8, L3=3&9, (4,5,6 tied). High voltage (series) 440 460 480v L1=1 L2=2 L3=3 tie 4&7, 5&8, 6&9 (36 slot 4 pole 3 coils per group 1750 rpm (1800 theoretically) 3 phase wye wound motor 9 leads out). What’s your definition of competent?
watch a lot of amateur recoil process on youtube, this is the most professional motor recoil process that I seem. Have to admit that we should let the right guy to do the job.
I did 10 years as a motor rewinder straight from school as a 17yo . That was 32 years ago and I still think I could pick it up again within a few days, it's a unique skillset for sure ☺
Hello. Thank you for watching the video! While the process is tedious for sure, we have many technicians who specialize in the rewind process and have it down to a fine art! Repair/rebuild/rewind are definitely great options to get a motor back up and into production!!
Hi guys, I'm so amazed to see this entire process mostly automated and standardized as I only see my dad doing this manually from start to finish. On this note, I wanted to invest money and take his business in the next level. Care to share where we can source all the equipments you are using at your workshop? By the way, my dad's workshop is in the Philippines. Would really appreciate if you can share the information I am after. Thanks!
The only thing missing is an air gap voltage test, to make sure stator laminates aren't shorted. I've seen cases, where hot spots occur because of inter laminate shorting. That spot glows red, than that heat telegraphs to the windings, and causes shorts by localized burning of the insulation. That test can and should be made with no windings in the stator whatsoever. It can be performed by a coil with alternating current, or by spinning a permanent magnet rotor in the stator, driven by an external motor. A quick peak through a FLIR camera could tell you weather or not that stator armature is worth rewinding. High eddy currents, at the very least, make a motor inefficient. at worst, a future failure. The oscilloscope can give clues, but you can't tell if it's an anomaly in the windings, or weather it's actually the stator armature. You would have to rewind the motor, and check for asymmetry. Even then, it's still unclear weather there is an error in the windings or again, the stator armature.
Years ago, when in tech. college, we didn't have burn-off ovens. We did that procedure by setting some firewood alight, and putting the stator in it, then we manually clipped the windings out. Of course, the largest motor donated to the school was about 1 HP. We learned to wind the coils by hand, not having a winder. Line the slots with fish paper, hand wind, pack with sticks, then lace it up. That was hard on the knuckles, on the small 1/2 HP motors. Coil shorts were found by a growler.
Did my apprenticeship doing this work . Such a niche trade .. one thing didnt like the balance weight location . Epoxy can flick of from there . Usually tuck it under or use the round alloy spigots to place washers on ( then burr the alloy spigot over ) . Def share this video with my friends and family to show them the trade I once did . Thanks for the video . Nice clean workshop too .
Does rewinding an electric motor save a lot of money compared to buying a new motor? Who knows the answer please? A very useful video . Thank you very much . I wish you lasting success .
I've had many alternators (almost the same as a motor) rebuilt for like $30-$50 with a one yr.guarantee, and new would be like $150 - $200. They were as good as new.
When inserting coils you should use a insulation to prevent the coils from getting scratched. Also the coils not yet inserted should have a layer of protection. It's good to cuff the slot insulation. Rear stator laceing not good. Well equipt workshop
Really fascinating. I would love to work there as I would learn so much and I like the room they have. Plenty of space for everything and it’s really clean especially considering it’s such a dirty process.
Great to see you here! I've come across your channel in the last couple weeks doing motor research. What are the odds I'd see your comment on a video? Keep up the content creation! 😎
It really worth repairing especially many motor are special designed and you cannot buy a new one in short time. And those special designed motors are very expensive.
I do this for a living, it's not my dream job lol, and the winder should use feeders on those slots, less chance of damaging the insulation on the wire, oh ill let him off he started using them :)
Same here. I don't lay coils from the end l wrap my arms around and put them in the bore. Dont use phase heads either, use individual groups, personal preference.
Hi, i am hoping you might be able to assist me. I have a brushless electric motor that hums but does not turn(belongs to a phase 1 bench grinder). When i tried to turn it by hand in the "on" position, it does not move. While in the "off" position, it turns just fine. I checked the capacitor and it works fine. The bearings are good too. Any ideas on what might be wrong with it?
6:05 why prevent the coils from touching the core if the wire has insulation already? I know, every motor has these paper pieces to protect the windings from getting scratched if any pull occurs, but really - if the windings are already insulated, then why isolate them from the core?
I was a foreman in a winding shop in çolchester essex some forty years ago and I still remember doing all the connections our motors were for all sizes of fans. Derek Warren somerset
Do you ever need to put the rotor on a lathe to correct its concentricity? I heard somewhere that this is standard practice for servicing aviation motors.
It does. Almost all wire nowadays is called inverter duty and has multiple layers of coating. Still possible to scratch but way more forgiving than in the past with cotton covered and such. The goal of the varnish at the end is to eliminate vibration and flex. The force when a motor starts can flex a winding into the rotor if it isn't secured properly or, even the vibration of the wires can be so great it can rub the coating off and cause a short.
great, now I WANT a repaired motor. Better, since I watched I will get MORE motor repair vids in my feed, AND links to purchase said motors where ever I go online since a tracking cooking just got added. sigh. O well. btw what is the horsepower rating on that motor again? Max RPM? Max Torque? If I am going to buy it, I might as well get the right one.
The motor is 60 Horsepower, and according to the dyno reading, it's a 4 pole motor. At 60 Hz, it wants to run at 1800 RPM, but due to slip loss, it actually runs closer to 1780 under full load. 177 foot pounds of torque @ 1780 RPM=60 HP.
I spent my working life in electric motor repair.Our main work was for the Lift industry,OTIS,SCHINDLER etc on DC gearless motors and Generators,but we repaired all types of motors from fractional HP to 6 Ton pump motors. Our shop was in East London England and started in 1919.
I love rewinding , I have been doing this job for the past 19 years in Africa - Ghana . Thank you for the video .
That's great! Thank you for watching!
whoever the gentleman that is the winding tech ... you can see in his face and actions that he actually cares about what he is doing... industry could use more professionals like this man! :)
This is what i do for the past 35 years I love my job
Awesome!! Thanks for watching!! Let us know if you are ever in the GA area and would like to stop by for a tour!!
which company have you worked?? sir
Can you guide me to get placed in core companies
One of my favorite videos on UA-cam!
Wow, thanks!
Back in the 60's I worked in HVAC. Rebuilds were cheaper and better motors than new factory because higher quality components were used such as bearings, coated wire, and precision balancing. Small rebuilders staked their reputations on the quality of their rebuilds.
I used to rewind a different types of electrical motors many years ago , I really enjoyed all the procedures and the testings.
Thank you for posting this video.
I was a rewinder in Australia. had a megger meter to test for earth leaks, and a prufrex to test for short circuits in the windings. as above used to heat up the stators so the coils and insulation would come out easier. As an apprentice the single phase coils were wound on nails in a piece of wood. 3 phase we had a piece of wood cut to the shape of the coils, only would 1 coil at a time, so 48 slots and 48 coils took a while. unpowered winder was hand cranked. after all the coils were inserted the coils were connected into groups. very tedious work. later years had to metal plates with rows of holes all over them they were bolted onto the winder with a spacer between. put paper tape on the outer side with holes put through the tape to show where the pins had to go. had a varnish tub to dunk the windings. alot of what I did I saw in the video but their clean up is better, better to work on a clean stator. had a winter with 52 frosts in a row got lots of water pump motors to repair. for coils had some U shaped formers in varing sizes they had a wide part where the winding went on and a thin backing on one side and a slot up the middle of each the width was about 1 inch on the first and 2.5 inches on the biggest there was7 sizes. used them for lots of small motors. the coils were long with round ends very easy to use. could have a Davey 1.5 hp 2 pole in the oven from starting the first coil in 20 minutes. to old to do that now.
ps my quality was good very seldom saw the same motors again, and gave a warrantee
I did infield service repair of marine motors and their associated gear for 30 years. I am so jealous of these working conditions.
Thank you! Let us know if you are ever in GA and would like to stop by for a tour!
Είμαι συνάδερφος απο Ελλαδα που κάνω περιέλιξη πανω απο 40 χρονια και θα ήθελα να μου δώσετε πληροφοριες που θα μπορούσα να βρώ το μηχάνημα που κόβετε το στεφάνι της περιεληξης για να το προμηθευτώ . Κάνετε εξαιρετική δουλειά και έχετε τα θερμά μου συγχαρητήρια. Ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων.
I’ve worked in this industry for 25 years. In some cases small motors are replace unless the motor is not available off the shelf! Larger rewinds are normally more cost effective over replacing unless the motor is in bad mechanical shape or has core damage causing heat losses in the stator or rotor core.
THAT company is doing a great job of repairing that motor. Rewinding is the hardest job to my belief. You have to be careful not to damage the enamel insulation of the wires; a job of great patients! And you have to connect the wires in a certain, precise way, otherwise you have a rotor that doesn't turn the correct way or not turn at all, or burns up the coils and trips the breakers/fuses. Job well done Global Electronic Services!
Thank you! We appreciate your feedback! Thanks for watching!
@Charlie K Low Voltage (parallel) 220 230 240v L1=1&7, L2=2&8, L3=3&9, (4,5,6 tied). High voltage (series) 440 460 480v L1=1 L2=2 L3=3 tie 4&7, 5&8, 6&9 (36 slot 4 pole 3 coils per group 1750 rpm (1800 theoretically) 3 phase wye wound motor 9 leads out). What’s your definition of competent?
watch a lot of amateur recoil process on youtube, this is the most professional motor recoil process that I seem. Have to admit that we should let the right guy to do the job.
Thank you so much!! We appreciate you watching the video!!
Hope the tech is paid well! He is a master worker!
am very much amazed with how motors are designed and how the tests are done
11:11 yeah I can definitely read and understand what’s on that paper
I used to rewind electric motors many years ago rewinding has come along way enjoyed watching your video :)
Thank you! That is great!
Can you make a video toohow to make a windmill generator?
me too,,in my summer job,,i learned the process from start to finish,,back in the 80',,,but these methods are a bit innovating
I did 10 years as a motor rewinder straight from school as a 17yo . That was 32 years ago and I still think I could pick it up again within a few days, it's a unique skillset for sure ☺
Thank you for watching!!
I can smell the varnish from here, i love the smell of a warm new motor.
You like it . I have nightmares from that smell and the burnout smell
the amount of work you put in is more than building a new motor....
Hello. Thank you for watching the video! While the process is tedious for sure, we have many technicians who specialize in the rewind process and have it down to a fine art! Repair/rebuild/rewind are definitely great options to get a motor back up and into production!!
I like to watch how professionals work.
Good job
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Good job 👍👍👍👍
Very nice video
glenn goodale Thank you for watching!!
This is the best motor winding process And satisfying!
Thanks you indormation for repair LV motor
Fascinating.
Hi guys, I'm so amazed to see this entire process mostly automated and standardized as I only see my dad doing this manually from start to finish. On this note, I wanted to invest money and take his business in the next level. Care to share where we can source all the equipments you are using at your workshop? By the way, my dad's workshop is in the Philippines. Would really appreciate if you can share the information I am after. Thanks!
Good I adsatad this work
Cool stuff
I'm unlikely to need your services, but found the video extremely interesting and educational.
The only thing missing is an air gap voltage test, to make sure stator laminates aren't shorted. I've seen cases, where hot spots occur because of inter laminate shorting. That spot glows red, than that heat telegraphs to the windings, and causes shorts by localized burning of the insulation. That test can and should be made with no windings in the stator whatsoever. It can be performed by a coil with alternating current, or by spinning a permanent magnet rotor in the stator, driven by an external motor. A quick peak through a FLIR camera could tell you weather or not that stator armature is worth rewinding. High eddy currents, at the very least, make a motor inefficient. at worst, a future failure. The oscilloscope can give clues, but you can't tell if it's an anomaly in the windings, or weather it's actually the stator armature. You would have to rewind the motor, and check for asymmetry. Even then, it's still unclear weather there is an error in the windings or again, the stator armature.
Is that similar to a core loss? Or will doing a core loss function the same?
Years ago, when in tech. college, we didn't have burn-off ovens. We did that procedure by setting some firewood alight, and putting the stator in it, then we manually clipped the windings out. Of course, the largest motor donated to the school was about 1 HP. We learned to wind the coils by hand, not having a winder. Line the slots with fish paper, hand wind, pack with sticks, then lace it up. That was hard on the knuckles, on the small 1/2 HP motors. Coil shorts were found by a growler.
Great story! Thank you for sharing!
It's been 20 years since I've heard anyone else talk about using a growler to find winding shorts. It was always fun spooking the new guy with em. :0)
sivalley: They do make a buzzing racket when the growler is over a shorted coil. It's probably one of the easiest diagnostic tools to use.
That's the thing I remember most replacing some bad coils yrs. ago, in a small motor, the bloody knuckles !
craxd1 a growler ??? I didnt know my wife worked there .
This is what I'm doing at Brandon and clark in Lubbock texas it's fun and great leaning and easy and great company very thankful for my job
Still watching in 2021!
Did my apprenticeship doing this work . Such a niche trade .. one thing didnt like the balance weight location . Epoxy can flick of from there . Usually tuck it under or use the round alloy spigots to place washers on ( then burr the alloy spigot over ) .
Def share this video with my friends and family to show them the trade I once did . Thanks for the video . Nice clean workshop too .
Thank you very much!!!
My favorite job
Very good
Nice working prosec
nice work..
Thank you
Does rewinding an electric motor save a lot of money compared to buying a new motor? Who knows the answer please? A very useful video . Thank you very much . I wish you lasting success .
Rebuilding and repairing a motor can save you 50 to 60% off the cost of new and is often months faster than waiting on the new!
@@Gesrepair Thank you very much and I wish you lasting success
Love those old Baker testers....! Why do US motors still not have proper terminal blocks after all this time?
🤷♀️😂 Thanks for watching!!
best ad ive ever seen
I've had many alternators (almost the same as a motor) rebuilt for like $30-$50 with a one yr.guarantee, and new would be like $150 - $200. They were as good as new.
Interesting. A lot of work. Good video
When inserting coils you should use a insulation to prevent the coils from getting scratched. Also the coils not yet inserted should have a layer of protection. It's good to cuff the slot insulation. Rear stator laceing not good. Well equipt workshop
Excellent video. Thank you for posting.
Very good demonstration of the repair process
very nice work..
Thanks a lot, we appreciate you watching!
It's 1am, why am i watching this...
Aaron Risley the process is very interesting’
Aaron Risley same
Masih
Maybe u are drunk 😎
If you don't now why should I now lol
Really fascinating. I would love to work there as I would learn so much and I like the room they have. Plenty of space for everything and it’s really clean especially considering it’s such a dirty process.
Great to see you here! I've come across your channel in the last couple weeks doing motor research. What are the odds I'd see your comment on a video? Keep up the content creation! 😎
@@ForestWoodworks . Ha, I think the odds are pretty slim😂😂😂. Thanks for you kind comments my friend, cheers Stuart 👍👍
It really worth repairing especially many motor are special designed and you cannot buy a new one in short time. And those special designed motors are very expensive.
not sure how I got here but I can't stop watching...very interesting
That is souch a happy motor now!
i wanted to know how those electric engines work. Really interesting and very good job! Keep the company working!
Survivalist - Thanks for watching!
This is a motor, an engine goes in your car
That's a good video and shows a lot of useful information. Thanks for sharing.
super skilled tech makes it look easy!
Great job
Willing to work i am rewinder from philipine thanks
good knowledge for motor
Nice
nice service range! but please cover that belt at 3:00 of the cut off saw! ;)
oh wow. that's like my dream job.
I do this for a living, it's not my dream job lol, and the winder should use feeders on those slots, less chance of damaging the insulation on the wire, oh ill let him off he started using them :)
Same here. I don't lay coils from the end l wrap my arms around and put them in the bore. Dont use phase heads either, use individual groups, personal preference.
Very informative video.
They should hire Mr.Electricity!
Hi, i am hoping you might be able to assist me. I have a brushless electric motor that hums but does not turn(belongs to a phase 1 bench grinder). When i tried to turn it by hand in the "on" position, it does not move. While in the "off" position, it turns just fine. I checked the capacitor and it works fine. The bearings are good too. Any ideas on what might be wrong with it?
good video tips how to rewind.
Nice video
6:05 why prevent the coils from touching the core if the wire has insulation already? I know, every motor has these paper pieces to protect the windings from getting scratched if any pull occurs, but really - if the windings are already insulated, then why isolate them from the core?
Vibration, insulation electrical and thermal and winding support would be a few.
The lacquer is just a thin wire coating.
You guys are Pro at what you do, very interesting video.👍🏻
Very interesting video , thanks a lot.
Looks like a nice shop
iamGomer thank you!!!
Great video! Thanks for sharing!!
i really enjoy watching this !!
extremely informative video.. keep it up..
I see everybody is wearing Dockers, almost like a commercial for them!
Really interesting! Thanks.
nice
Really exceptional quality work, guys. I`m impressed. This is not your mothers cornbread.
I'm interested to know more from you about the rotor...Can it be rebuild or remanufactured....
Nice video. I couldn’t help but think of Tony Hawk Pro Skater every time it transitioned to the next step, lol
Good one!
I love this work very much.
Very interesting!
I am rebuilding a 10HP motor right now.
Congratulations for the video.
I was a foreman in a winding shop in çolchester essex some forty years ago and I still remember doing all the connections our motors were for all sizes of fans.
Derek Warren somerset
Do you ever need to put the rotor on a lathe to correct its concentricity? I heard somewhere that this is standard practice for servicing aviation motors.
Very interesting, thanks, good info.
radiofun232 thanks for watching!
A job done ,re building motors. Who rebuilds generators,do you I can see quality done by you !!! Please reply, thank you!
Tesla was a very amazing man.
What's the smallest motor you can rewind and rebuild
Does the copper wire used to make the windings not already have a coating of varnish before assembly?
It does. Almost all wire nowadays is called inverter duty and has multiple layers of coating. Still possible to scratch but way more forgiving than in the past with cotton covered and such.
The goal of the varnish at the end is to eliminate vibration and flex. The force when a motor starts can flex a winding into the rotor if it isn't secured properly or, even the vibration of the wires can be so great it can rub the coating off and cause a short.
@@bmark6971
Wow. Thank you.
A reply after two years - but worth waiting for.
This was very insightful!
Benedictine work, by modern standards
Nice job!!! If you guys need a new rewinder let me know :D
Great video.
RODALCO2007 didn’t expect you here
RODALCO2007 No, you're a great video.. Haha, good seeing ya
RODALCO2007 aas
6:34 This man certainly does not have more digital.
Were some dislikes came from. Still, very nice to watch that recovery!!
How does one start to persue a career?
how much it cost for a motor that size or something similar?
Muy buen video pero no hablo inglés es pocible traducirlo?
great, now I WANT a repaired motor. Better, since I watched I will get MORE motor repair vids in my feed, AND links to purchase said motors where ever I go online since a tracking cooking just got added.
sigh. O well. btw what is the horsepower rating on that motor again? Max RPM? Max Torque? If I am going to buy it, I might as well get the right one.
The motor is 60 Horsepower, and according to the dyno reading, it's a 4 pole motor. At 60 Hz, it wants to run at 1800 RPM, but due to slip loss, it actually runs closer to 1780 under full load. 177 foot pounds of torque @ 1780 RPM=60 HP.
How can i get to do a course in motor repairing?
@@edwinmalcolm2238 Star sweeping the floor in a electric motor repair shop