I own this bike. At the moment I`ve made about 2000km on it and it is really fun bike for twisty roads, powerful enough, practical... driving is a pleasure. But it is one problem...it just wants to go fast :-)
Did you had any major issues on the ktm after a while? Like electronic failures, leaks? I’m about to get one in 2 months brand new one. I’m only a little bit sceptical about reliability but thats not a deal breaker.
@@Snotroggel453 Yes I have. I have transmission oil leak. Not much, but it was disturbing. They replaced the seals and now it is not leaking for about 7000km.
The only thing I'll change on mine are the tyres. The standard ones are below par on track, but OK on the road. Suspension is fine for my 104kg. Quickshifter / auto-blipper is brilliant though it smoother to use the clutch at low speeds. Motor is a peach. This is in a different league to the MT-09 in terms of handling especially on track. You will never get a MT-09 to handle as well as this and I know cos I had one and tried all sorts of things. In the end I gave up and bought the KTM instead! Most fun bike I've ever had. Perfect blend of light weight and useable power. You really don't need 150bhp plus to have fun. Bonus for me is comfort. I'm 6' 3" and with the optional comfort seat it is all day comfortable. Bars are adjustable forwards / backwards so the ergonomics are bang on. The Street Triple 765 was on my shopping list too but for me it was a little too small. If I was a smaller rider it would be tight between the KTM and the Street Triple R. The MT-09 comes nowhere near. The only issue, as is often the case with KTMs is build quality / reliability. I've had a small oil leak from the output shaft fixed under warranty. Check the KTM forums - there are several others reporting this and other niggles. It was then fine for a few months but now it has come back, so I'm off back to the dealer again in a couple of weeks. It's not catastrophic but it is annoying. Jap bikes (or Triumphs for that matter) just don't do that. With any other bike I'd be thinking "do I get rid of it?", but this is so good I cannot think of another bike I'd rather have right now!
I disagree about the quick shifter/ auto blipper. Compared it to my own down shifts and mine were smoother and better. Suspension is a bit firm but I wouldn't change it. The whole machine seems to have been optimized for my size and weight and my only complaint is how much trouble it's going to get me in if I approach its limits on the street.
So glad they brought this bike back. I have a Duke 390 and I just got my full licence. I'll stick with the 390 for a while longer but at some point I'll upgrade and so far the 790 is on the top of my list. The 890 looks awesome too but might be a bit too much power going from the 390 and also a bit more expensive. Dunno, I guess I could just put the 890 in rain mode until I get used to it but I feel like it's just more power than I need.
yea i picked up a 2020 790 duke a month ago and love it. I traded in my 390 duke on it so its quite an upgrade. The 790 is a beast, but also a tame beast if you want it to be. It's awesome for just cruising around or nailing it I love it.
When it cut out at 15:20 that same thing happened to me. And just before it happend we did the same thing. A little throttle blip and engaged clutch. Strange.
I’ve ridden both this and the superduke r 1290 I found this bike so much more fun! I’m still very disappointed in the looks as you say the prototype had me sold but the road version not so much...
Street Triple 765r.. Tested both bikes and bought the Triple, fantastic bike, feels faster, smoother and handles better, plus the KTM has pretty common faults with cutting out and with the quickshifter.
What you said about disabling ABS and Traction Control on the MT09 in order to wheelie it is wrong. You just have to turn TC down 1 notch. ABS and TC still works fine.
Last summer I decided to change to a naked middleweight from my GSX-R750, over three days I tested the MT-09SP, KTM 790 and Street Triple R, the KTM blew me away with the fun I had on it (apart from the tyres) ,it was lighter than the other two and had far more power than any 800cc twin should have and its scalpel nickname is very appropriate but every time I got off it I just couldn't stand its looks, it is a very subjective thing but in my 40 years of biking there are only two bikes I let the looks stop me buying ,one was the Hayabusa and the second was the KTM 790.
@@1990-t1j Subjective, and i can understand where yonniboy is coming from, Hayabusa indeed looks ugly to me as well. But with the 790 i am willing to ignore the looks those looks are manageable, get the bike custom wrapped or repainted or whatever makes it work for you, but that engine combined with the feature list and the wet weight makes is the most eligible bachelor of the middleweight naked category. Can wait to get my hands on it once it debuts in India :D
most people don't have the money to do all those mods after paying for the bike - if it's not going to be reliable you can just get the Kawasaki twin or the new Suzuki SV or just a Yamaha MT07.
Different category. Nothing in the 650cc range offers anywhere near the amenities, controls, options. Also 800 has about 30 more horsepower, better bones (forks, brakes) for modding.
Coming from a guy who has an MT-09, I'm actually extremely interested in the 790 Duke. I'm a lover of twins, especially the lumpy firing order twins. I know the 790 doesn't have the same horsepower as the MT, but it's not an extreme difference. I bet that 790 has a beefy midrange, maybe even more than the MT. What's your thoughts? That thing just sounds mean under throttle. Has a bit of a whirr too, like a gear set inside the engine.
@@boomerhgt You're not talking my language. I'm into engineering, details, cause/effect, maintenance, troubleshooting, analysis, design, science, physics, etc.
Since the day I got this machine, it always brought a smile on my face, too bad these days I can't get a proper ride on the streets, due to the lockdown of the virus😢hope everything comes back to normal.
Took my 1290 in today for a service and had a few hours on one of these. Felt a lot smaller than my SDR, and much lighter. I was impressed by the motor and electronics, it had the power parts catalogue thrown at it including the Akrapovic end can, the seat was like a plank of wood. Going up the gears you just opened it up and changed, going down it felt like you had to try and match the engine revs to the speed, too much speed and it wasn't happy. Nice little bike though.
Nice video! There are so many good reviews on this bike and for the price the flaws are fixable! The motor sounds great can't wait to see how it works in the adv model!
My first KTM Duke 125 did the same and after one year and a half the engine died. Now I' ve given them a second opportunity and bought a Duke 790 the has a oil leak after 100 km...definitely I'm not going to buy a KTM anymore (or at least in the next 20 years).
@@carlosgomismartin9337 I bought a Honda CB125R, and it's been faultless. I've been training with the Honda RIDE Academy in Chester, mainly because they use brand new CB650Rs, and the people who run it are the best in the business, and are hand-picked. When I complete the Honda course, I've got my MOD2 on Monday, they give you £500 off a new bike. For my next bike I was looking at a Triumph Trident 660, an Aprilia Tuono 660, or my favourite the Honda CB650R. They've just got some 2021 CB650Rs in Smiths Chester, and I've been having a good look at them, they're very nice. I've considered other bikes like the KTM 790, or a Yamaha MT-07, but, they all have their faults. The Trident 660 is a bit small for me, and the Aprilia Tuono is too expensive, there are reliability problems, and a long wait for any parts if you need them. Also, the KTM and Aprilia dealers are thin on the ground, and miles away from me. Thanks for the info on the problems you've had. I'll think I'll definitely go for a new 2021 Honda CB650R; I love the bike, the insurance is not too bad, it's cheaper than an MT-07, or a Tuono, but best of all - I know it will start in the morning!
@@soulrebelno1 My brother has the CB650R, bought in April 2019, with 15K Km and stil is going like the first day, zero problems. Honda is always a trusty option. I've talked with so many people that bought the KTM Duke 790 and practically everyone got a problem in his first 15K km (engine stops, oil leaks, lights...). And is very sad because I wanted that my next bike was the superduke 1290, but with these experiences I've totally changed my mind.
@@carlosgomismartin9337 Same here, I keep hearing about the reliability problems, so wouldn't buy a KTM. Saying that, I would love a new KTM 1290 Super Duke, but only if I could afford it, and I had more than one bike! But, it's totally unsuitable for my needs, and I would never use its full potential. Lamb Chop Rides got rid of his 2014 KTM 1290 Super Duke One for similar reasons (ua-cam.com/video/QTAlUcjJwMs/v-deo.html). I don't think you can go far wrong with a bike from one of the big four Japanese manufacturers: Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki. Surprisingly, 40% of BMWs will require a repair within the first four years of ownership, which I found a bit shocking. After riding around on a few different 2020 CB650s for a while during my Honda training, I'll probably be going for a brand new 2021 Honda CB650R, it's a better bike compared to say a Yamaha MT-07 or a Suzuki SV650. The CB650R now comes fitted with a Showa Separate Function Big Piston (SFF-BP) 41mm USD forks up front, so the handling will be even better. Would've liked a nice TFT, but at least they've tweaked the LCD dashboard. The engine is now EURO5 compliant with no loss of top end power. Plus, it's received a few other tweaks, like internal water channelling from cylinder head to cylinders, which does away with most of the exterior hoses. It's a well proven in-line four, which is refined and reliable, and very smooth around town. But, open it up, and it will howl and scream, and almost snap your head off, as I found out - it's great on a motorway!
A lot of new bikes have cheap tires and suspension - it's where manufacturers save money - the BMW R9T comes with non adjustable suspension on most models. KTM have there own suspension outfit WP - all other reviews say it's well set up - i think you might be heavier than average :) - great review - it's a nice bike - i gotta try one.
Yo, the reason your Quickshifter is cluncky is most likely due to the parameters for the QS being wiped on the first service. I was experiencing the exact thing you mentioned about not being able to shift down. It's probably not auto blipping for you either if you listen carefully. Apparently KTM never included a step to reload base paramters for the QS. As such the techs working on my bike didn't realise it was required, and I think I may be the only one in my area on a 790 Duke so they had no prior knowledge. Gave it back to them for 30min and it was fixed. Your QS should be as smooth as using the clutch normally, just much faster. If it's not take it in for an inspection. Also the point about tyres, I feel anyone who really cares about tyres already has a strong preference for what they like, and they're likely to swap to their preferred tyre no matter what came on the bike. IMO the Maxxis tyres are perfectly fine, no slip except under WOT, but I do live in Australia, so it's likely a lot easier to get heat into the tyres.
US Warranty: "This warranty covers only the engine, frame and swingarm. No other components of the motorcycle are covered by any warranty, expressed or implied and are sold “as is”" Now that's confidence in a quality product.
Alclab I used to own a speed triple and it was fine filtering through traffic. But I am a bike lad at 6ft4 105kg so the weight wasn’t an issue to me at all. I wouldn’t let that be a reason to not get the triple. If you want it go for it mate!
Dude! And I thought it was just my bike! Leave it overrunning too long and pop the clutch in. Gone. Looks like a fueling issue. If you notice, on the occasions it doesn't cut out, the revs drop pretty low and then pop back up.
@@theuberindian3988 never had the coming back up thing, but after an ecu upgrade and a bit of miles added on, i never had the problem again. My mechanic said it was just a fueling issue, probably due to the eu rules about emissions
Great review. I was really impressed until you raised the issue of the suspension … which is why I love the Superduke GT. Yep, a shed load more money but the suspension is awesome, and that, for me, makes it worth it.
My god parts of the UK are beautiful when it's not raining. May we continue to be allies forever(Merica). Great review! I said the same thing about my testicles recovering when I got off the one at the local shop. Compared to my Benelli Leonchino trail it has way more torque and energy.
Seams to be a lot of contradictions on this machine ,you say the suspension is bad when most say it does very well even on crap roads , the tyres are pretty good maxxis items according to most other tests and after seeing what jezza did on them I'm not sure I have the skill set to disagree ,then the brakes are made by Juan brand a very well respected brand fitted to a few wsbk teams I'm led to believe. In context with the mto9 the ktm suspension is better by far as are the brakes and tyres I think are more personal choice ,there's not really a bad tyre out there these days just even better ones . Thanks for the review.
Agreed! I just thin people like to complain about brakes and suspension because it isn`t a brand name like brembo/öhlins so it instantly a "budget" part. Actually is not as simple as that. Bothe are perfectly fine for this bike.
Nice one Chopsy - I pretty much agree with everything you said...but personally find the looks a bit "meh" - can't argue with the value though can you!
I think it looks really good in real life when you did the standard mods like Aftermarket tail and mirrors and remove the footpacks of the second seat...
Awesome review! and yes, THAT happened to me too! it shuts down(stalled) in the middle of my driving, I was like, wtf??? sent it to the dealer they checked all, pretty much nothing was bad with it. Although did a bit of research and the KTM´s have issues with the kickstand sensor. after taking it to the dealer, never did it again. greetings from Mexico.
my husqvarna vitpilen flamed out just the same at 15:33, took it back to the dealer with exactly the same issue, ecu reflashed twice, can’t sort the issue out. very dangerous, engine shuts off at random times while blipping. traded it in for a honda now. love them but too many electronic problems
Well done.. The power commander is forbidden on street but with Coober we may have a solution especially for low rpm. The tires... yeah.. A road 5 or metzeler maybe better. The downnshift is cluncky as you mentioned. For the exhaust I don't like the sound at idle but sounds better at 6k (better than the akra).
I love the 790 really like the fact you have all the toys on it without having to faf around paying for it. Think your spot on about the mods required but yet to see how the suspension feels. Great vid as always mate 😎👍
I just watched you brilliant review (and filming) of the 2020 Street Tripple R. Which bike would your money be spent on out of the two. I am toying with either of them at the moment. I would very much value your view. Thanks, Lee
Nice one. I rode one of these the other day, absolutely loved it although next I did the 1290 straight after. I'm still wondering which one to buy haha.
After owning 2 Triumphs (Speed & Tiger) I am looking for another bike and brand. The KTM 790 seems to fit the bill. I'm so glad Choppsy got to review the 790. His weight and build is near identical to mine so ergonomics shouldn't be a problem if he's ok riding one. Just need some new rubber and rear suspension re-valving from the looks of it.
Great vídeo, thank you! I just don't agree with you in how this KTM looks. For me, it looks superb! I did see the concept bike, looked awesome too, of course, but it was just a concept,... this version for the public nailed it, in my opinion. Cheers, keep the good work!
Another great vid 👍 my bro has recently purchased one of these I'm really impressed with the quality of finish. I also agree about the rear end but he's just fitted an evotec tail tidy removed the rear pegs & grab rail & it looks spot on now. Jury still out in the tyres though
That rebound from the back shock isn’t something I would like, and I reckon I could fabricate up a custom exhaust for my self being a welder to really get some more pop from the Exhaust. These parallel twins are hard to get a big thump out off i here . Maybe that’s a challenge for me.
I have watched every review on the KTM 790 Duke and this one was by far the best! Well done! I've been thinking about selling my 2013 Triumph Daytona 675R and buying a middle weight standard with some decent electronics, good looks, and a killer exhaust note. I was considering the Ducati Monster 821, Triumph Street Triple 765 R or RS, or the KTM 790 Duke.. Of the three bikes I mentioned which one would you choose?
I think it doesnt have all the bling with suspension and brakes yet, because KTM are maybe saving that for a potential 790 DUKE R, as they did with the 690 duke.
Test ride em both! I was leaning towards the 1290 more, and then I tried both bikes together... When I hopped off the 1290 onto the 790 I never wanted to go back. The 790 is way more accessible and more fun in my opinion, for less money... I own one now.
@@fredtello second hand 1290s are still more expensive than second hand 790s (you can already find some!). And the personal preference is still there. They are both amazing bikes and I think the 1290 looks more sexy, but I just prefer a more nimble bike that you can open up without going crazy license losing speeds
Yeah its tough, I think I would take this as suspension can be sorted, overall bike quality is better than the MT plus has all the toys standard. Its not a deal breaker the electronics but the ability to turn off traction and wheelie control is a must for me. The MT SP is also more expensive remember
The 1k pounds extra isn't worth it compared to the normal mt09 unless u really like that sp color! With a revalve on ur standard mt09 ur as fine as the sp!
Is the R model definitely coming out and when?Had a test ride and loved it but the brakes did seem a bit below par,found the suspension fine but then I’m quite a skinny fella,felt pretty plush after my Monsters rock hard set up.Would be gutted if I went for it with the R being just around the corner.
M WJ82 I’m 6ft 4 105kg with long legs and the can ride it fine. I used to own a speed triple 955 and the seat it a bit higher and the bars are closer. It feels great and i doubt it’ll be to small for you.
Great, real world review thanks for being so thorough. I test rode one of these again today and I'm pretty sure it will win out against the Street Triple R (my other choice) as the riding position and value proposition seem a little better for me (I'm 6'2"). I have read about issues with excessive heat from the left side of the engine (an issue as I live in sunny Sydney) and some gremlins in the box ie false neutrals etc. Did you experience any of these and how did you find it at highway speeds? Thanks
Great review Chopsy! How were the ergos? I’m looking for a bike I can fit on but I’m 6’6 280. Think I could fit, or would it be a bit too tight? Cheers!
I ordered a 890 duke r last year. It should arrive in early april. i'm really exited. Brembo stylema brakes, fully adjusteable wp apex suspension and better tyres. is addresses every flaw you mentioned. (Ps. I am not a nativ english speaker)
Wow, How are you recording the bike sounds without wind noise. I love mine, thanks for the review. I agree, they messed up the backend and not the most handsome of bikes but so much fun and confidence building a real bratt in traffic.
790 with the bits you mentioned or a street triple rs chops? Good video I had a test ride to enjoyed the bike too but I don’t like the look of the rear like you mentioned and the swing arm 😬
Was this 2018 or 2019? Also, does anyone know if the 790 engine was made by CFMoto or KTM's Austria plant? I know the 2023 is strictly made in China now for the re-intro of the bike. WP Suspension maker is wholly owned by KTM. You really can' get any good info off their webiste. They do have fork cartrides for the 790 but no idea what's involved specs wise or price wise they also have 2 upgrade rear shocks but again no specs or prices. I guess you have to go through the dealers
just ordered my 790 duke pick it up in 2 weeks carnt wait, iv used the same maxxis tyres on my KTM960sm for the last 3 years and i find them excellent even on track days at the local kart track and for £110 a set yes cheap but more than good enough for the average rider, i get about the same milage from these maxxis st tyres as i have from pirelli angel gt 2k if im lucky its riden hard ! lol both about the same grip dry or wet so save a fortune by using the maxxis and i go thru 3-4 sets a year so a good saving. is it right you carnt access track mode till after 1000 miles ?
The electronics are the same across all KTM Duke models. My 390 wouldn't let me adjust the redline until after 1000kms/ 621 miles. the 690 was the same for Sport mode etc.
When they are working....stunning. But it's a ktm, so make sure you buy one new enough to have warranty....or buy a Yamaha MT09 that won't break. My 2018 Duke has required a full engine rebuild at 1850miles. Took my dealer three months to complete the work and they returned it with a coolant leak....it's currently back at the dealership. Gutted. Will be parting company with it soon I think, once you've have a bad experience like this, you lose the love and faith.
What kind of riding do you do? The Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas are an amazing tire for street/track. It's a dual compound so it's harder in the middle for longevity and softer on the sides for grip. I run at the top of intermediate group and still find the tires work wonderful. And it's great on the street with decent mileage. If you'll do 0 trackdays, you can go with a slightly more street/sport tire like the Pirelli Rosso (non corsas).
This or the MT09 SP? They are the same price here in the Netherlands. Test rode the duke and the mt and i can’t make up my mind. The ktm juist feels al little more like a toy compared to the mt09 sp. What do you think?
Yes the mt09 SP is very nice and probably a higher spec machine what with the Ohlins etc.. but I think the 790 has perhaps more potential with a few choice mods.. mt09 I think for value for money if they are the same price!
@@LambChopRides Thanks for the reply Chops! The Yamaha is sensible choice but the KTM just makes me smile, the motor is just so much fun and the sound is perfect. Guess I have some thinking to do 😥. Ride safe!
Noise around the 'net that KTM is going up-size in the 790 when Euro5 requires it. I hear a Duke 490 (twin cylinder) and bigger Duke 890 (also twin) are in the works.
When I was thinking about changing my bike it was so close between duke 790 and mt09... I got mt09. The engine is still quite new and when I was riding it it had few false neurals?.. then I got better px at yamaha so went for it... but if I can have 2 bikes this will be next to my MT.... nice review.
I didnt find any false neutrals at all, the odd real neutral from 1st to 2nd using the QS though but thats quite normal for these bikes sometimes. MT09 is also great but this pips it for me, plus Im a KTM fan anyway haha
Hey LCR, great review, I really like the look of this bike. Excuse my ignorance, could you elaborate on your comment 'suspension revalue' and what this means/ what you would gain from this? Cheers
Oh man this is going to come in $1500 cheaper than the Striple S and around $5500 cheaper than the Striple RS in India. I've wanted the Striple for years, dare I say the R is my dream bike, though sadly unavailable here. The S is too stripped down here and the RS is mental expensive. This is such great VFM that my wallet may win over my heart. All KTM need to do is stick to equivalent pricing with the West, which they have done so far and they can shut up and take my money.
gazzafraz how did you find the throttle ? I Keep hearing about it being a bit snatchy... I'm seriously considering the 790 and coming from a gsr600 which can be well snatchy unless your ragging it hoping the 790 is not too bad. I think the black and grey paint looks great
I traded in my Gsr 750 for the 790 and find the throttle fine just feels like a completely different bike to the Suzuki test ride one you will love it. Took MT09 Sp,Ducati 821 and street triple rs out before i made decision and this beat them all for me.
Glen whyte If you're just cruising, you can easily turn the bike into street mode and the throttle feels just fine. In sports mode it's too snatchy for traffic and normal street usage though...
the recording device in your backpack was genius! couldnt stop watching. loved hearing the rumble of that exhaust
I own this bike. At the moment I`ve made about 2000km on it and it is really fun bike for twisty roads, powerful enough, practical... driving is a pleasure. But it is one problem...it just wants to go fast :-)
Did you had any major issues on the ktm after a while? Like electronic failures, leaks? I’m about to get one in 2 months brand new one. I’m only a little bit sceptical about reliability but thats not a deal breaker.
@@Snotroggel453 Yes I have. I have transmission oil leak. Not much, but it was disturbing. They replaced the seals and now it is not leaking for about 7000km.
The only thing I'll change on mine are the tyres. The standard ones are below par on track, but OK on the road. Suspension is fine for my 104kg. Quickshifter / auto-blipper is brilliant though it smoother to use the clutch at low speeds. Motor is a peach. This is in a different league to the MT-09 in terms of handling especially on track. You will never get a MT-09 to handle as well as this and I know cos I had one and tried all sorts of things. In the end I gave up and bought the KTM instead! Most fun bike I've ever had. Perfect blend of light weight and useable power. You really don't need 150bhp plus to have fun. Bonus for me is comfort. I'm 6' 3" and with the optional comfort seat it is all day comfortable. Bars are adjustable forwards / backwards so the ergonomics are bang on. The Street Triple 765 was on my shopping list too but for me it was a little too small. If I was a smaller rider it would be tight between the KTM and the Street Triple R. The MT-09 comes nowhere near. The only issue, as is often the case with KTMs is build quality / reliability. I've had a small oil leak from the output shaft fixed under warranty. Check the KTM forums - there are several others reporting this and other niggles. It was then fine for a few months but now it has come back, so I'm off back to the dealer again in a couple of weeks. It's not catastrophic but it is annoying. Jap bikes (or Triumphs for that matter) just don't do that. With any other bike I'd be thinking "do I get rid of it?", but this is so good I cannot think of another bike I'd rather have right now!
I disagree about the quick shifter/ auto blipper. Compared it to my own down shifts and mine were smoother and better. Suspension is a bit firm but I wouldn't change it. The whole machine seems to have been optimized for my size and weight and my only complaint is how much trouble it's going to get me in if I approach its limits on the street.
So glad they brought this bike back. I have a Duke 390 and I just got my full licence. I'll stick with the 390 for a while longer but at some point I'll upgrade and so far the 790 is on the top of my list. The 890 looks awesome too but might be a bit too much power going from the 390 and also a bit more expensive. Dunno, I guess I could just put the 890 in rain mode until I get used to it but I feel like it's just more power than I need.
yea i picked up a 2020 790 duke a month ago and love it. I traded in my 390 duke on it so its quite an upgrade. The 790 is a beast, but also a tame beast if you want it to be. It's awesome for just cruising around or nailing it I love it.
I bought one for my 8 year old and he loves it. Says it feels pretty stable around 130mph on the highways. He's never late to kindergarten
@@vaderwalks6790 8 year olds aren't in kindergarten.
@@ryzen397 he got left back a few times
Just put a deposit on a brand new 2020 790 Duke today... Get it next week... can't freaking wait..!!! Upgraded from the 390 which was also awesome! :)
With the 890 announced you can pick these up silly cheap
When it cut out at 15:20 that same thing happened to me. And just before it happend we did the same thing. A little throttle blip and engaged clutch. Strange.
I’ve ridden both this and the superduke r 1290 I found this bike so much more fun!
I’m still very disappointed in the looks as you say the prototype had me sold but the road version not so much...
Agreed , I think this sized bike is more rewarding on the road as you can work the engine
Looking forward to the R version of this bike. May have to pony up for one!
Now having tested the new Street Triple 765 would you have the Duke or the Triple ? And why ?
Thanks
Street Triple 765r.. Tested both bikes and bought the Triple, fantastic bike, feels faster, smoother and handles better, plus the KTM has pretty common faults with cutting out and with the quickshifter.
What you said about disabling ABS and Traction Control on the MT09 in order to wheelie it is wrong. You just have to turn TC down 1 notch. ABS and TC still works fine.
Last summer I decided to change to a naked middleweight from my GSX-R750, over three days I tested the MT-09SP, KTM 790 and Street Triple R, the KTM blew me away with the fun I had on it (apart from the tyres) ,it was lighter than the other two and had far more power than any 800cc twin should have and its scalpel nickname is very appropriate but every time I got off it I just couldn't stand its looks, it is a very subjective thing but in my 40 years of biking there are only two bikes I let the looks stop me buying ,one was the Hayabusa and the second was the KTM 790.
The Hayabusa looks good, too.
@@1990-t1j Subjective, and i can understand where yonniboy is coming from, Hayabusa indeed looks ugly to me as well.
But with the 790 i am willing to ignore the looks those looks are manageable, get the bike custom wrapped or repainted or whatever makes it work for you, but that engine combined with the feature list and the wet weight makes is the most eligible bachelor of the middleweight naked category.
Can wait to get my hands on it once it debuts in India :D
most people don't have the money to do all those mods after paying for the bike - if it's not going to be reliable you can just get the Kawasaki twin or the new Suzuki SV or just a Yamaha MT07.
Different category. Nothing in the 650cc range offers anywhere near the amenities, controls, options. Also 800 has about 30 more horsepower, better bones (forks, brakes) for modding.
Coming from a guy who has an MT-09, I'm actually extremely interested in the 790 Duke. I'm a lover of twins, especially the lumpy firing order twins. I know the 790 doesn't have the same horsepower as the MT, but it's not an extreme difference. I bet that 790 has a beefy midrange, maybe even more than the MT. What's your thoughts?
That thing just sounds mean under throttle. Has a bit of a whirr too, like a gear set inside the engine.
Mate stick with your MT 09 KTMs are a load of trouble I bought a new 690 it was a pile of shite
@@boomerhgt You're not talking my language. I'm into engineering, details, cause/effect, maintenance, troubleshooting, analysis, design, science, physics, etc.
what would you rather have, either a KTM 790 or MT09?
Neither. Triumph 765R.
Wanted to find out about this bike and it's an excellent vid for that, but I'm glad I wasn't out for a walk with my dog down any of those lanes.
Since the day I got this machine, it always brought a smile on my face, too bad these days I can't get a proper ride on the streets, due to the lockdown of the virus😢hope everything comes back to normal.
Quick shifters aren’t supposed to work well at low rpms. That’s kind of the point. The transmission needs to be loaded.
Makes perfect sense, you wouldn't expect an auto box on a car to shift great at low speeds...Would you?
Took my 1290 in today for a service and had a few hours on one of these. Felt a lot smaller than my SDR, and much lighter. I was impressed by the motor and electronics, it had the power parts catalogue thrown at it including the Akrapovic end can, the seat was like a plank of wood. Going up the gears you just opened it up and changed, going down it felt like you had to try and match the engine revs to the speed, too much speed and it wasn't happy. Nice little bike though.
10/10 KTM for prototype and the hype,could have been a sensational bike
It is a sensation to ride
Amazing review 🤙 you nailed bike sound over your voice 🤘 wish every review around be like yours ✌️
A low miler (3k) 2018 model is about £5k now….very tempted to treat myself for Christmas
Checking one out tonight 😁
@@punkrockdidi awww nice!!!!!
Where? Ill buy it
What how! In norway a used 2019 one with maybe 10 k km is 10-12000£
Nice video! There are so many good reviews on this bike and for the price the flaws are fixable! The motor sounds great can't wait to see how it works in the adv model!
KTM reliability strikes again! The bike cutting out at 15:19 is a well known issue, check out the forums.
My first KTM Duke 125 did the same and after one year and a half the engine died. Now I' ve given them a second opportunity and bought a Duke 790 the has a oil leak after 100 km...definitely I'm not going to buy a KTM anymore (or at least in the next 20 years).
@@carlosgomismartin9337 I bought a Honda CB125R, and it's been faultless. I've been training with the Honda RIDE Academy in Chester, mainly because they use brand new CB650Rs, and the people who run it are the best in the business, and are hand-picked. When I complete the Honda course, I've got my MOD2 on Monday, they give you £500 off a new bike. For my next bike I was looking at a Triumph Trident 660, an Aprilia Tuono 660, or my favourite the Honda CB650R. They've just got some 2021 CB650Rs in Smiths Chester, and I've been having a good look at them, they're very nice. I've considered other bikes like the KTM 790, or a Yamaha MT-07, but, they all have their faults. The Trident 660 is a bit small for me, and the Aprilia Tuono is too expensive, there are reliability problems, and a long wait for any parts if you need them. Also, the KTM and Aprilia dealers are thin on the ground, and miles away from me. Thanks for the info on the problems you've had. I'll think I'll definitely go for a new 2021 Honda CB650R; I love the bike, the insurance is not too bad, it's cheaper than an MT-07, or a Tuono, but best of all - I know it will start in the morning!
@@soulrebelno1 My brother has the CB650R, bought in April 2019, with 15K Km and stil is going like the first day, zero problems. Honda is always a trusty option. I've talked with so many people that bought the KTM Duke 790 and practically everyone got a problem in his first 15K km (engine stops, oil leaks, lights...). And is very sad because I wanted that my next bike was the superduke 1290, but with these experiences I've totally changed my mind.
@@carlosgomismartin9337 Same here, I keep hearing about the reliability problems, so wouldn't buy a KTM. Saying that, I would love a new KTM 1290 Super Duke, but only if I could afford it, and I had more than one bike! But, it's totally unsuitable for my needs, and I would never use its full potential. Lamb Chop Rides got rid of his 2014 KTM 1290 Super Duke One for similar reasons (ua-cam.com/video/QTAlUcjJwMs/v-deo.html).
I don't think you can go far wrong with a bike from one of the big four Japanese manufacturers: Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki. Surprisingly, 40% of BMWs will require a repair within the first four years of ownership, which I found a bit shocking.
After riding around on a few different 2020 CB650s for a while during my Honda training, I'll probably be going for a brand new 2021 Honda CB650R, it's a better bike compared to say a Yamaha MT-07 or a Suzuki SV650. The CB650R now comes fitted with a Showa Separate Function Big Piston (SFF-BP) 41mm USD forks up front, so the handling will be even better. Would've liked a nice TFT, but at least they've tweaked the LCD dashboard. The engine is now EURO5 compliant with no loss of top end power. Plus, it's received a few other tweaks, like internal water channelling from cylinder head to cylinders, which does away with most of the exterior hoses. It's a well proven in-line four, which is refined and reliable, and very smooth around town. But, open it up, and it will howl and scream, and almost snap your head off, as I found out - it's great on a motorway!
A lot of new bikes have cheap tires and suspension - it's where manufacturers save money - the BMW R9T comes with non adjustable suspension on most models. KTM have there own suspension outfit WP - all other reviews say it's well set up - i think you might be heavier than average :) - great review - it's a nice bike - i gotta try one.
Yo, the reason your Quickshifter is cluncky is most likely due to the parameters for the QS being wiped on the first service. I was experiencing the exact thing you mentioned about not being able to shift down. It's probably not auto blipping for you either if you listen carefully.
Apparently KTM never included a step to reload base paramters for the QS. As such the techs working on my bike didn't realise it was required, and I think I may be the only one in my area on a 790 Duke so they had no prior knowledge. Gave it back to them for 30min and it was fixed.
Your QS should be as smooth as using the clutch normally, just much faster. If it's not take it in for an inspection.
Also the point about tyres, I feel anyone who really cares about tyres already has a strong preference for what they like, and they're likely to swap to their preferred tyre no matter what came on the bike. IMO the Maxxis tyres are perfectly fine, no slip except under WOT, but I do live in Australia, so it's likely a lot easier to get heat into the tyres.
US Warranty:
"This warranty covers only the engine, frame and swingarm. No other components of the motorcycle are covered by any warranty, expressed or implied and are sold “as is”"
Now that's confidence in a quality product.
That is a deal breaker for me.
Not true, my dealer covers it all
What a surprisingly in-depth review. Great video! I can't decide between this and the Street Triple R
No contest in my opinion, just order that Triple 👍
What engine sound do you like the most?
@@iamthemobey The triple honestly. However I feel it's too sportbike oriented and that could be a problem for every day heavy traffic filtering
Alclab I used to own a speed triple and it was fine filtering through traffic. But I am a bike lad at 6ft4 105kg so the weight wasn’t an issue to me at all. I wouldn’t let that be a reason to not get the triple. If you want it go for it mate!
@@iamthemobey Thanks for the great input mate!
Agree with you Chops on the exhaust / back of the bike.
15:22 my duke 390 did that occasionally, seems like a ktm thing
Good catch, mine did that exactly once. Was weird and a little scary though.
Dude! And I thought it was just my bike! Leave it overrunning too long and pop the clutch in. Gone. Looks like a fueling issue. If you notice, on the occasions it doesn't cut out, the revs drop pretty low and then pop back up.
@@theuberindian3988 never had the coming back up thing, but after an ecu upgrade and a bit of miles added on, i never had the problem again. My mechanic said it was just a fueling issue, probably due to the eu rules about emissions
Great review. I was really impressed until you raised the issue of the suspension … which is why I love the Superduke GT. Yep, a shed load more money but the suspension is awesome, and that, for me, makes it worth it.
My god parts of the UK are beautiful when it's not raining. May we continue to be allies forever(Merica). Great review! I said the same thing about my testicles recovering when I got off the one at the local shop. Compared to my Benelli Leonchino trail it has way more torque and energy.
Seams to be a lot of contradictions on this machine ,you say the suspension is bad when most say it does very well even on crap roads , the tyres are pretty good maxxis items according to most other tests and after seeing what jezza did on them I'm not sure I have the skill set to disagree ,then the brakes are made by Juan brand a very well respected brand fitted to a few wsbk teams I'm led to believe. In context with the mto9 the ktm suspension is better by far as are the brakes and tyres I think are more personal choice ,there's not really a bad tyre out there these days just even better ones . Thanks for the review.
Agreed! I just thin people like to complain about brakes and suspension because it isn`t a brand name like brembo/öhlins so it instantly a "budget" part. Actually is not as simple as that. Bothe are perfectly fine for this bike.
Nice one Chopsy - I pretty much agree with everything you said...but personally find the looks a bit "meh" - can't argue with the value though can you!
Great minds and all that :-) Im looking forward to the R model, I could really be tempted with one.. Little project to get it looking decent haha
see if they let you have the 3D printed files and custom built underseat exhaust be bananas for sure! :-)
I think it looks really good in real life when you did the standard mods like
Aftermarket tail and mirrors and remove the footpacks of the second seat...
Pretty sure the mt09 will wheelie with traction control in setting 1
Awesome review! and yes, THAT happened to me too! it shuts down(stalled) in the middle of my driving, I was like, wtf??? sent it to the dealer they checked all, pretty much nothing was bad with it. Although did a bit of research and the KTM´s have issues with the kickstand sensor. after taking it to the dealer, never did it again. greetings from Mexico.
my husqvarna vitpilen flamed out just the same at 15:33, took it back to the dealer with exactly the same issue, ecu reflashed twice, can’t sort the issue out. very dangerous, engine shuts off at random times while blipping. traded it in for a honda now. love them but too many electronic problems
This Why I don’t want a KTM.. so many problems and a lot of people are left Hanging by KTM.
If it wasn’t that way I would own one now…
I love my little 390 Duke commuter, seriously considering chopping in my weekend toy (XSR700) for one of these.
Well done.. The power commander is forbidden on street but with Coober we may have a solution especially for low rpm. The tires... yeah.. A road 5 or metzeler maybe better. The downnshift is cluncky as you mentioned. For the exhaust I don't like the sound at idle but sounds better at 6k (better than the akra).
I love the 790 really like the fact you have all the toys on it without having to faf around paying for it. Think your spot on about the mods required but yet to see how the suspension feels. Great vid as always mate 😎👍
Thanks matey!! :)
Very honest review, love it! Also you getting any more key rings in at all?
I just watched you brilliant review (and filming) of the 2020 Street Tripple R. Which bike would your money be spent on out of the two. I am toying with either of them at the moment. I would very much value your view. Thanks, Lee
May I suggest the 890R sir? AKA The Super scalpel!
dude illuminated switch gears are not that big of a deal, we get them here in India in 150cc bikes.
@Sam Kenin oooh did you get offended that easily ;)
@@GurpreetSingh-ye1pw lmao
is the suspension great enough to handle for snowy mountain riding sometimes in Pennsylvania United States?
Fantastic vid! Confirmed my thoughts, I need one!
Nice one. I rode one of these the other day, absolutely loved it although next I did the 1290 straight after. I'm still wondering which one to buy haha.
Buy the bigger bike you will regret it if you dont
I had the display on dark mode on my 390 permanent because dark mode is just better on everything. :) But it was for sure too sensitive.
Here's to hoping KTM put that 790 engine in a supermoto bike.... that would be a weapon
KTM haven't but someone made a 1290 offroad!
Super motard mode to lock the back wheel does require an extra dongle i think you will find.
After owning 2 Triumphs (Speed & Tiger) I am looking for another bike and brand. The KTM 790 seems to fit the bill. I'm so glad Choppsy got to review the 790. His weight and build is near identical to mine so ergonomics shouldn't be a problem if he's ok riding one. Just need some new rubber and rear suspension re-valving from the looks of it.
Like to get one, but already have an FZO7 with upgrades and it's a keeper. What do I do?
get the 890r when you'll be bored of the 07
Nice gloves! Are those the dianese 4 stroke long? I just got a pair myself. What do you think of them?
Great vídeo, thank you! I just don't agree with you in how this KTM looks. For me, it looks superb! I did see the concept bike, looked awesome too, of course, but it was just a concept,... this version for the public nailed it, in my opinion.
Cheers, keep the good work!
On the Electronic Only thing missing is Cruise control
Great vid! How do you reckon it compares to the Ducati Hypermotard??
Another great vid 👍 my bro has recently purchased one of these I'm really impressed with the quality of finish. I also agree about the rear end but he's just fitted an evotec tail tidy removed the rear pegs & grab rail & it looks spot on now. Jury still out in the tyres though
There's lots of bikes out there, if you changed the suspension, exhaust and a remap they would instantly become great bikes.
Just had a demo on the ktm . Way better than an mt 09 and looks great in the black and silver
Hi Jane, i have a 2015 mt09 and thinking in a more fun bike, how is the throttle responde on the 790 ?
MotoExploring . Throttle response is really pretty smooth and power feels a lot stronger than the mt 09. I would go with the ktm all day long
@@darrenbutler160 i pretend to do lots of slow wheelies, because of that i asked about throttle response. I need to test drive one.
Thank You.
Thank you for the video. With which byke you had more fun and which one is more uncomfortable, 790 duke or 690 SMC R ?
None of those bikes are comfortable
That rebound from the back shock isn’t something I would like, and I reckon I could fabricate up a custom exhaust for my self being a welder to really get some more pop from the Exhaust. These parallel twins are hard to get a big thump out off i here . Maybe that’s a challenge for me.
Love the way you reviewed the bike mate! And thanks been considering this!
I have watched every review on the KTM 790 Duke and this one was by far the best! Well done! I've been thinking about selling my 2013 Triumph Daytona 675R and buying a middle weight standard with some decent electronics, good looks, and a killer exhaust note. I was considering the Ducati Monster 821, Triumph Street Triple 765 R or RS, or the KTM 790 Duke.. Of the three bikes I mentioned which one would you choose?
Thanks Ryan, the 790 is great but out of those three the RS Street would be my choice. It's a fair bit more money of course but money no object 👍
Had mine a year now & my thoughts exactly,front end too hard.
Nice video edit ... everything covered nicely!
I think it doesnt have all the bling with suspension and brakes yet, because KTM are maybe saving that for a potential 790 DUKE R, as they did with the 690 duke.
I'm stuck between getting the 790 or going all out and getting the 1290
Test ride em both! I was leaning towards the 1290 more, and then I tried both bikes together... When I hopped off the 1290 onto the 790 I never wanted to go back. The 790 is way more accessible and more fun in my opinion, for less money... I own one now.
I own one 1290
buy a 2nd hand SD 1290
@@fredtello second hand 1290s are still more expensive than second hand 790s (you can already find some!). And the personal preference is still there. They are both amazing bikes and I think the 1290 looks more sexy, but I just prefer a more nimble bike that you can open up without going crazy license losing speeds
Great video as always Mr Chops! that's a lot of bike and tech for the money compared to the 701 and 690!!
Nice one Chopster! Good to hear the negatives as well as the positives. This or the MT09-SP? Surely the suspenders on the SP MT would cinch it?
Yeah its tough, I think I would take this as suspension can be sorted, overall bike quality is better than the MT plus has all the toys standard. Its not a deal breaker the electronics but the ability to turn off traction and wheelie control is a must for me. The MT SP is also more expensive remember
The 1k pounds extra isn't worth it compared to the normal mt09 unless u really like that sp color!
With a revalve on ur standard mt09 ur as fine as the sp!
Is the R model definitely coming out and when?Had a test ride and loved it but the brakes did seem a bit below par,found the suspension fine but then I’m quite a skinny fella,felt pretty plush after my Monsters rock hard set up.Would be gutted if I went for it with the R being just around the corner.
I absolutely LOVE this bike, I can't wait to get my Bike license and work my way up to it. Hope I am not too big for it, as I am 6ft 5
M WJ82 I’m 6ft 4 105kg with long legs and the can ride it fine. I used to own a speed triple 955 and the seat it a bit higher and the bars are closer. It feels great and i doubt it’ll be to small for you.
Engine sound comes across really well. Nicely done!
Duke 790 or the new 690 smc r mate?
790 is much better value.. but I would go 690
Duke 690r is better n not too expensive
Is there any heating issue in the bike..or it’s cool for city riding and day to day commute..
This duke or the TUono 660? Great videos by the way. 💪🏼🔥🔥🔥
Great, real world review thanks for being so thorough.
I test rode one of these again today and I'm pretty sure it will win out against the Street Triple R (my other choice) as the riding position and value proposition seem a little better for me (I'm 6'2"). I have read about issues with excessive heat from the left side of the engine (an issue as I live in sunny Sydney) and some gremlins in the box ie false neutrals etc. Did you experience any of these and how did you find it at highway speeds? Thanks
The day/night mode on the screen should be user-switchable.
Would it be possible if you could modify one and see?
What helmet is this? Very nice.
It's an AGV X8 Carbon, it's very nice indeed 😎
Great review Chopsy! How were the ergos? I’m looking for a bike I can fit on but I’m 6’6 280. Think I could fit, or would it be a bit too tight?
Cheers!
I'm defo gonna go for this instead of MT-09!
You'll be glad you did
MT09 seems really boring compared to this although I'm a KTM man through and through, that might have something to do with it
Me to and right now KTM has a sale on all authorized dealers in US for 7999$
Code Name Noob KTM much less useful than the MT09 fucking rock hard for any kind of distance
@@boomerhgt put a comfort seat on then you Nancy
I ordered a 890 duke r last year. It should arrive in early april. i'm really exited. Brembo stylema brakes, fully adjusteable wp apex suspension and better tyres. is addresses every flaw you mentioned. (Ps. I am not a nativ english speaker)
Lovely I'm looking forward to trying one 👍👍
I really envy you bro...In India, it will get launched by the end of this year or in the first quarter of next year
What sort of price premium I wonder, over 790 with Ohlins
@james avery Look on cycle trader there are a few for sale in the states right now
Wow, How are you recording the bike sounds without wind noise. I love mine, thanks for the review. I agree, they messed up the backend and not the most handsome of bikes but so much fun and confidence building a real bratt in traffic.
790 with the bits you mentioned or a street triple rs chops?
Good video I had a test ride to enjoyed the bike too but I don’t like the look of the rear like you mentioned and the swing arm 😬
I loved the Street RS when I tried it and that's a better bike than this but more $$, I would have to try the base Street to know which I haven't yet.
Was this 2018 or 2019? Also, does anyone know if the 790 engine was made by CFMoto or KTM's Austria plant? I know the 2023 is strictly made in China now for the re-intro of the bike. WP Suspension maker is wholly owned by KTM. You really can' get any good info off their webiste. They do have fork cartrides for the 790 but no idea what's involved specs wise or price wise they also have 2 upgrade rear shocks but again no specs or prices. I guess you have to go through the dealers
I own a 2019 and it was definitely from the Austrian plant back then. I think only since 2023 it's manufactured in China.
just ordered my 790 duke pick it up in 2 weeks carnt wait, iv used the same maxxis tyres on my KTM960sm for the last 3 years and i find them excellent even on track days at the local kart track and for £110 a set yes cheap but more than good enough for the average rider, i get about the same milage from these maxxis st tyres as i have from pirelli angel gt 2k if im lucky its riden hard ! lol both about the same grip dry or wet so save a fortune by using the maxxis and i go thru 3-4 sets a year so a good saving. is it right you carnt access track mode till after 1000 miles ?
The electronics are the same across all KTM Duke models. My 390 wouldn't let me adjust the redline until after 1000kms/ 621 miles. the 690 was the same for Sport mode etc.
did you just ride out with forcefield pro shirt then a vest on top?
When they are working....stunning.
But it's a ktm, so make sure you buy one new enough to have warranty....or buy a Yamaha MT09 that won't break.
My 2018 Duke has required a full engine rebuild at 1850miles.
Took my dealer three months to complete the work and they returned it with a coolant leak....it's currently back at the dealership.
Gutted.
Will be parting company with it soon I think, once you've have a bad experience like this, you lose the love and faith.
What was wrong with your engine?
nice review. Is it better than an MT09 SP?
Thinking of pulling the trigger on one of these. What tyres would you recommend mate?
What kind of riding do you do? The Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas are an amazing tire for street/track. It's a dual compound so it's harder in the middle for longevity and softer on the sides for grip. I run at the top of intermediate group and still find the tires work wonderful. And it's great on the street with decent mileage.
If you'll do 0 trackdays, you can go with a slightly more street/sport tire like the Pirelli Rosso (non corsas).
Would think it would be perfect for an aggressive pilot. Have a ball running to the market for cigs.
This or the MT09 SP? They are the same price here in the Netherlands. Test rode the duke and the mt and i can’t make up my mind. The ktm juist feels al little more like a toy compared to the mt09 sp. What do you think?
Yes the mt09 SP is very nice and probably a higher spec machine what with the Ohlins etc.. but I think the 790 has perhaps more potential with a few choice mods.. mt09 I think for value for money if they are the same price!
@@LambChopRides Thanks for the reply Chops! The Yamaha is sensible choice but the KTM just makes me smile, the motor is just so much fun and the sound is perfect. Guess I have some thinking to do 😥. Ride safe!
Z900 is also in the same cost category, but probably has more distance to cover to get suspension and brakes in the "excellent" zone.
Bought my self a triumph street triple rs
Noise around the 'net that KTM is going up-size in the 790 when Euro5 requires it. I hear a Duke 490 (twin cylinder) and bigger Duke 890 (also twin) are in the works.
Will have to check out the cost for it down here in Australia. Would be a great commuter I have to say. Thanks Chops!
When I was thinking about changing my bike it was so close between duke 790 and mt09... I got mt09. The engine is still quite new and when I was riding it it had few false neurals?.. then I got better px at yamaha so went for it... but if I can have 2 bikes this will be next to my MT.... nice review.
I didnt find any false neutrals at all, the odd real neutral from 1st to 2nd using the QS though but thats quite normal for these bikes sometimes. MT09 is also great but this pips it for me, plus Im a KTM fan anyway haha
For some reason they’ve taken away the duke/superduke orange frame that made this range stand out so much. Even the 390 still has it.
Hey LCR, great review, I really like the look of this bike. Excuse my ignorance, could you elaborate on your comment 'suspension revalue' and what this means/ what you would gain from this? Cheers
Mark Cope it’s basically changing the way the suspension works by going inside and doing some modifications. Best left to a professional.
I feel the same about the rear end of the 790. Awesome bike though
Oh man this is going to come in $1500 cheaper than the Striple S and around $5500 cheaper than the Striple RS in India. I've wanted the Striple for years, dare I say the R is my dream bike, though sadly unavailable here. The S is too stripped down here and the RS is mental expensive. This is such great VFM that my wallet may win over my heart. All KTM need to do is stick to equivalent pricing with the West, which they have done so far and they can shut up and take my money.
Two days till I pick mine up. Loved it on the test ride
gazzafraz how did you find the throttle ? I Keep hearing about it being a bit snatchy... I'm seriously considering the 790 and coming from a gsr600 which can be well snatchy unless your ragging it hoping the 790 is not too bad.
I think the black and grey paint looks great
I traded in my Gsr 750 for the 790 and find the throttle fine just feels like a completely different bike to the Suzuki test ride one you will love it.
Took MT09 Sp,Ducati 821 and street triple rs out before i made decision and this beat them all for me.
Soupdragon Thanks for the comment
Jbeing nosy now, did you go bkack and grey or for the orange ?
Orange only way to go on KTM for me
Glen whyte If you're just cruising, you can easily turn the bike into street mode and the throttle feels just fine. In sports mode it's too snatchy for traffic and normal street usage though...
Needs full Ohlins, or WP fully adjustable - need a SP version
There will be an R model coming soon! Brembos and adjustable suspension and Im told 120 hp..
I weigh 78kgs and find suspension is set up just right but yep it wont suit everyone.