NBA Legends Explain Why They Hate Todays NBA
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In this Video NBA Legends talk about why today's NBA is soft.
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Shaq Summed up this Era pretty well "I hate seeing OK Play being called Greatness"
Says a guy who half-assed most of his career, as he admitted, he was too lazy.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw Even Lazy Shaq had Greatness in him. Playing Half Assed most of his career in damn near every game of the season beats...the modern game of playing half assed but only playing 2/3rds of the season.
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw He can play half assed in today's NBA and still dominate every big man in the game! That's facts. Who today would stop him??
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw he would dominate ever so called big man today
@@ShadowAngel-lt8nw yall celebrating trash as greatness
Back in the 90s Sunday NBA games on NBC was must watch
Living in Chicago during the ‘90s, I literally watched every Bulls game for 8 straight years. From that, to this? I’m with you brother.
When I was growing up basketball used to be about the love and passion for the game, these days it’s mostly about money and pre-game fashion. Sad to see such shallowness from people.
In the 80s and 90s the NBA was golden
Fact
I really can't blame them it do suck now
Early 2000s was great too. League definitely started changing for the worse when the illegal d and hand checking rules were changed.
Late 2000s shit take turn for the worse year after year ,NBA didn't wanted real PF and C which made everybody just run and shoot ,small ball with a lot of shooting and 3s all offence and no defence and now we have that soft brainless game
I will say this also, is that the 2,000 were pretty physical as well. It started changing in 2010
It's probably why no matter how hard I try NBA bores me and I can't follow it anymore, but back in the 90s, I was addicted.
Facts!!
@@j.m.flemmingii 80’s players were physical, todays players flop. Bunch of sissys. I’m even talking about my own 2023 Celtics team.
Same here
Because the competition seemed more fierce and real. Now it feels soulless.
90s NBA was a golden era. They need to go back to those rules and allow defenses to be physical again.
The NBA of the late 80's and 90's was so gritty, tough, it was a battle of wills and the desire to win more than your opponents. Nowadays it feels like a shooting competition, nobody play D. It's a shame.
Nobody plays D because it's impossible. You get a foul for breathing too hard on the offensive player running to the hoop
Couldn't agree more.
And what is "D"?
Is that for defense? Haven't seen much of that in the last 20 years.
This soft AS NBA sucks. 🍻 Mate
Everybody is trying to copy the success of the 2015-2019 Warriors. Everybody has their copycat Steph & Klay duo, and a “heart and soul of the team” ripoff Draymond.
The last great series I seen that was extremely gritty and felt like a fight was going to break out at any minute was the Los Angeles Clippers vs Memphis Grizzlies from 2012. Go back and watch those games. That was great, hard-nosed basketball.
It is a glorified three point contest. Whoever made the most threes that night wins the game.
One thing that’s been really pissing me off lately is players not boxing out anymore. But then when they do box out (a good box out) they get called a foul like 70% of the time.
The game is robotic, people love seeing their favorite players being human and doing that extra thing that takes the level to the next level.
When I was still actively playing, I’m 40+ and I’d play against young guys. They’d argue with each other saying “guard him” r “stop him” n etc. it was funny bcuz they couldn’t figure out how to “stop” me. When all I was doing was getting offensive rebounds n putting back, so all they had to do was box out. But none of them knew it 😂😂.
Love of money has replaced love of the game, from management down to players.
Amen!!
Exactly, the biggest factor in my opinion...
Plain and simple! 👏👏
100%
Tru that. Aint nobody playing for free in there tho. I mean...those contracts are massive.
When JJ claimed the game was more physical today, I literally laughed out loud and immediately kept seeing which old school players were going to clown him.
JJ is delusional
I have tried to watch more matches post Malice in the Palace era, but it's like overall game strategy has gradually moved to the downtown zone. Sorry, but looking at long plays of ballers passing the balls around to get 3 points after 3 points is not entertaining to me. The key role of centers has greatly diminished over time and with it the spectacular character of the showdowns.
@Garlic Goblin Ziusudra the playoffs are a little better but honestly, watching the allstar game today is kind of like today's NBA taken to the extreme limit.
You can find full all star games from the 80s and yeah, they weren't playing anywhere near the physicality of 80s, 90s and early 00s but you can see guys trying to play defense, diving for balls etc. Was that stupid? Probably but it highlights the difference.
@@lancelindgren5655
Right!
JJ was an NBA Player who didn't receive a lot of fanfare, so he's using his current platform just to create "drama" , saying statements for attention
Perhaps he meant more physical as in running laps back and forth from hoop to faster than 30 years ago. But he'd still be wrong anyhow because in the 60's they ran back and forth faster than any era, like 5+ miles a game if you played 40 minutes.
As long as Adam Silver continues to be the commissioner of the NBA, the league will continue to slowly die and it's sad and disappointing to witness this when remembering how great it use to be. David Stern was someone who understood what the fans appreciated and the players of the NBA took a lot of pride to want to play every game during those times. When enough time has passed, this era of the NBA today will not reflect well in the future.
It's true silver is not a good commissioner at all..the league hasn't been the same since the 90s
They do better numbers and views now than ever. What do you mean slowly dying lol.
@TheWillrocks51 During the MJ days, they averaged.3.1 million viewers a game...now it's at 1.5 million a game.. only things that have came close as far wise as viewership were the Heatles years with bron and Wade in Miami at around 2.5 million..as a matter of fact this last year was by far the worst year in viewership in the last 30 years. So they absolutely don't do better numbers now..not even close
@@copekillzz yeah, 1.5m live TV views. You understand that less than 20% of all views for any show come from TV now, right? You do understand the internet is out there, right? You do know of this?
@TheWillrocks51 even with the internet, that's just 100,000 or 200,000 extra views, so it doesn't make a difference. Idk where you made up that 20 percent number, but it's closer to 70 percent. There is no need to make up things to try to atone for your error.
When I was a kid, we were all taught the very fundamentals of how to play. We were made to constantly run drills and I’m not talking about 1v1 or 3v3 drills. I’m talking dribbling drills, passing drills, footwork drills. We basically weren’t even allowed to scrimmage until we could do all of these basic things correctly. You saw these fundamentals being imprinted on all players, from the community/church leagues, high school, college and up into the NBA. People were taught and expected to use the basic, ubiquitous techniques, plays and strategies that had been developed over decades. Now when I watch professional players in the NBA, I see some very sloppy players with no technique. I see people making ridiculously bad passes. Players with very poor ball handling skills. Taking low percentage shots when they don’t need to. Missing layups 😂 its really, really disheartening. I’m not saying there aren’t skilled players. There obviously are many great players today, but when I see a lot of pros, I think it’s very obvious that there is very little emphasis on the fundamentals being taught to the younger generation. A lot of these pros would have never been signed in the time of Stockton,Malone, Robinson, Miller, Jordan, etc… that sloppy play would not fly in those days.
I am 43 living in Spain. I remember back when I was 10 watching the one week game on TV with my brother from 2am to 5 or 6am. Those are the years I enjoyed the most watching a sport: magic, bird, bad boys, jordan,...real passion!
For sure my brother from Spain. bad boys fan here. It was forever getting past the Celtics than the Lakers before getting the back to backers
From Spain too. Sacramento Kings was our favorite team early 2000s. They made me love the game, but it is so changed today
Truth!!!
I grew up with late 80s and 90s basketball, there was nothing like it. The slogan for 90s basketball was “I love this game” and everyone did.
I tried watching a modern Bulls game recently, I couldn’t watch 5 minutes.
I liked the 80's slogan too "NBA Action, is Fantastic!"
The Modern NBA should be "NBA is....zzzzzz,"
I agree it's hard to watch today's NBA. I haven't watched a game nor highlight all season and don't miss it
It was 3 minutes for me, it was too garish. Maybe it's the loud colors, the commentators or even the camerawork, not just the rules.
The 70s were great also.
You are 100% on point & this game is so wishy washy now, that I honestly forgot how great of a slogan that really was & they have destroyed the All - Star Game altogether 🤦🏾♂️
@@marcuslittle4428 I was introduced to Basketball back then & Magic Johnson is my favorite player of all times ✌🏾👊🏾
I agree with all of the presented facts and your sentiment, Sean.
I would add that the allergy to physical contact (i.e. free layups and uncontested distance shooting) has led to bloated scoring that really inflate scoring, to the point of diminishing each point scored. Yes, shooting has been more emphasized, and therefore, practiced to improve efficiency, but the lack of physicality makes each shot easier to take and comes at the expense of expending energy for defense.
Plus, the extremes of player movement and fraternizing has really taken the competitiveness out of the game in favor of recruiting future teammates. We don't necessarily need to see bad blood for rivalries, but the basic spirit of competitiveness is lacking today in all but rare instances (primarily with the international stars who didn't grow up in the AAU system).
This video nails it. I've lost all interest in regular season basketball, and even the playoffs lack the level of competitiveness and intensity that once made the game great. Love Kobe's quote here, sums it up perfectly. It's no longer a smashmouth league.
70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s was hard basketball. I miss those years.
You left out the’60s
It was decent until the early 2010's. Defense was still played, mid-range and post players still were relevant...them the GS Warriors came with great shooters that other teams tried to mimic with their average shooters; in turn forgetting the defense, mid-range and post...
@@hyedefinition1080 decent ain’t great- close ain’t hitting-almost ain’t there -a chevy ain’t a Pontiac- a one hitter ain’t a no hitter-49 homers ain’t 50 & the neighbourhood play ain’t 2nd base……are you hearing me?
Oh yes...Today it is all about load stupid management...Live n die by the 3pts obsession😢Thats why in the highlights they never show the many misses..These playoffs arent good at all, too many injuries, NO DEFENSE....
dunno...u seem soft
Man, I miss watching late 80’s - 90’s basketball. I feel blessed to have watched the greatness of Jordan, Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Pippin, and on and on. They left everything they had on the court. You knew, even if they lost, they gave it everything and pushed for more.
Basketball just isn’t the same, and that might have been the last time that we will ever see a passionate generation, concerning the game of Basketball itself 🤦🏾♂️
@@shawnkincheloesr5192 I truly hope not, but I agree, that very well may be possible. The way they played the game then was really something to behold
That’s shit era no blood no foul , that’s MMA sports actually
@@joelvitasa1121 Yeah, but allowing them to play zone defense truly makes them weak as tap water 💦 and they never ever learn to man up & if a player like MJ played in this league right now today, he would average about 40 - 45 per game, and I am being modest with my numbers. Now players are so so cut up and athletic, that as soon as you touch them, they get injured or fall on the floor in pain ( Smh ) but it isn’t just Basketball that has been watered down, but Football as well.
The 1990s was probably one of the best decades ever.
When I discuss the way basketball was played in the 80's and 90's with the 20 & 30 somethings at my job, I try to articulate EVERYTHING these guys in this video said. NOW I have the perfect video for these punks to watch and see the greats of the game agreeing 1000% with every word! This is fantastic!
just a bunch of jealous has beens wishing they still had it.
@@whatisahandle_69 The modern game sucks and everything from attendance counts to TV ratings prove it.
@@generalkayoss7347 basketball is more popular than ever lol...what are you talking about?
@@andrewzembar3869 Nah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings
I agree 100%. Every single NBA game today is basically a 3 point shot contest.
1983 NBA was Chuck Norris
2023 NBA is Pauly Shore
More like Dylan Mulvaney.
True story
@@mazdarx7head LMFAO!
Facts!
@@Jondsmusic No argument here! Thought that comment was awesome!😂
I was born in 1980… so my era was late 80s/early 90s until the mid to late 2000s and even that was pushing it. When my favorite player finally retired in ‘05 the last guy i followed was prime DHoward on ORL and after he left and became something else then it ended right there. I’m sorry to say i get more enjoyment watching old school nba on UA-cam then watching the current product.
Totally agree!
💯
I was born in 1977 and I pretty much feel the same way like you do! Take all star games for example! They were real games, where players actually played defense, and they would still score 130 points, or whatever, and still put on a helluva show! Whereas right now, all star games are easy dunks, three pointers, no defense and nothing else! And speaking of all star games, great players like Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins, Shawn Kemp, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Ray Allen, Ralph Sampson, D Howard etc would compete in the Slam Dunk Contest and even win it! While, this year's dunk contest was won by D Leaguer!
I was born July 1980 and I can relate. Remember the 90s before the strike? Saturday and Sunday would have games of the week with premier matchups like Pacers vs Knicks or Magic vs Bulls and so on
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The best nba show ever.
As a hockey player really enjoyed watching Jordan, Pippen, Magic, Bird, Stockton, Dr J , Barkley and really enjoyed Kobe as well. Playing hockey in 80s 90s I feel the same about today’s NHL soft as baby sh it
Oh wow NHL is bad too these days?
I haven't heard that before
Grew up loving basketball and the NBA. Nowadays, I seldom watch a game on anywhere. Love love the 80s and 90s NBA!
I started watching the NBA again after a 20 year break. I honestly thought when I watched my first game again in 2021 that they had put covid restrictions in place to limit player contact. I didn't realize they had ruined the game with no hand checking. It really is a watered down version of the game I loved for so many years. And then on top of that seeing so many superstars not play all 82 games. It genuinely makes me sad. Not only for myself but for the younger generation that will never know how great the NBA used to be.
Thank you for your comment about today's NBA players not playing 82 games; ironically I recently wondered if 70s & 80s NBA players missed games like 21st century NBA players miss games: Khawhi, Simmons, etc. Aedin
Watch Euro Basketball. It's better than the NBA currently but nothings ever going to compare to the 80's/90's.
@@johannfaust1507 I'll Google Euro Basketball. Aedin
So when they say if Steph Curry is the best Point guard ever cause he dropped 50 against a Young inexperienced team who can’t play team defense in a game 7 it’s amazes me how these OLD HEADS ARE AGREEING WITH THE HORSE SCHITT NARRATIVE
I also stopped watching the NBA about 20 years ago. Just yesterday I tried watching a playoff game and it was so boring I had to keep fast forwarding through it with the DVR. And I used to love the NBA.
I miss the old school nba that game was so physical and old school center players were pure dominance
Today's NBA is unwatchable.
I used to love watching basketball back in late 90s early 2000s. Nothing will ever beat the 03 pistons putting on an absolute Clinic on defence and hustle. That team made me play strictly defensive positions in all sports. Yeah offence is flashy but when you stuff someone the real boys know.
1980-2005 was the best era of the NBA. The lack of defense makes, soft players, pushing politics, game management of player time, shooting a low percentage shot with 20 seconds on the shot clock, lack of ball movement utilizing passing and tactics and many more makes the modern NBA unwatchable.
It’s the same here with rugby league here in Australia, so much toughness is whistled out of the game and I think it’s with most sports now, just a watered down version of epic games they could be
@@eccawarrior Completely agree with basketball. But isn't there was a document about rugby player got long term brain problem due to so many tackle leading to suicide?
@@cynt4416 yeah it was Paul Green, I do understand some of the stuff banned but other things is just ridiculous, it doesn’t help with the obvious bias of teams have ruined the game also
Amen
Id say a few years earlier...the Tainted Lakers Era when Donnelly was shaving points as a Ref and when the NBA as a whole fucked over the Timberwolves in that Conference Finals against them....I couldn't stand watching the NBA for years after that bullshit.
The intensity of an all star game from 80’s-90’s is way stronger than any nba finals today.
😂👍
The Modern All Star game the Commissioner literally have to beg the players to compete
no
It’s gotten so bad with the current iteration of the league that I appreciate the pre-merger era even more today because the fundamentals and pure love of the game is evident. Sad to see the younger generation generally 45 and under simply write off the era as if Wilt, Russell, Elgin, Jerry West, Big O, Kareem, etc wasn’t obliterating the record books. Long live pre 2010’s NBA ⚰️🪦
Todays players are Wussy’s! Today It’s all about playing Horae and shooting 3 pointers. Players dont even want to play defense!! They had to legalize Zone defense. And god forbid you touch a person
None of those players in their prime could compete in today’s NBA. They all would come off the bench 🤣
@@yo3rdtier128 you shouldn't have hit enter.
Spoken like a true old head. I love old school players and even the times. Players have more control now than they ever did. Some legends are just salty they had no control over their own lives or decisions. Now you can sign a 4 year contract, play 1 year and then request a trade. What’s messed up is the media and fans applaud or support said player. Dude you signed the contract. I know you don’t have education but you got to know if you sign you’re agreeing to play. That’s my only gripe with todays NBA. Players bitch, kick and scream dragging their feet like little kids. Man up and ball or find another sport lol
@@yo3rdtier128 I think MJ would like to have a few words with you on that statement. MJ in his prime would be killing it because his game was drive the lane all day everyday, and played against players like Laimbeer, Mutumbo, Olajawon, Barkley, Ewing, and many other Hall of Famers. he went 6 times to the finals and won 6 titles and 6 Finals MVP's. Played all games accept in three seasons 2 for injuries and one when he first came back after retiring the first time. MJ would destroy the league just like he did back then, the numbers don't lie.
For me it all boils down to zero D and extremely short player tenure at franchises.
The carrying, illegal screens, traveling and crying over contact don't help either, but the first two are deal killers.
Seriously, they hand cuff defenders with rule changes AND allow the offender to carry the ball WHILE taking 3 steps.
How do you guard against that??
I cringe at todays defense 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Growing up in the 80s and the 90s I miss it that was real basketball.
Nothing but honest and truthful knowledge as always. I miss the old stuff too
As someone who was born in the 80's and got to witness the greatest players of all time in the 80's then the 90's I agree with what the legends say. People dont understand that basketball back then use to be about proving a point and making ur oppoment look stupid and/or dunking the ball in peoples faces. Now its mostly just shooting the ball from the outside. MJ said himself and proved he could shoot three's and said he didnt want to do that he found it boring and enjoyed taking the ball to the hoop to dunk on people. He was all about that I am better then you and im gonna prove it while I give the fans something to take a picture of life.
@@kevinl3875 it was only 1 year off and its because his father was murdered and he wanted to see if he can still play baseball (which he couldnt).
@@kevinl3875 Quit after his father was murdered and then came back and won 3 in a row. Again. No game 7's.
@@KyoAlexiel He was getting better at baseball but it was not entirely clear if he could have made it to the pros; he would definitely have been good at the Minor League level.
@@ChairmanMo He played baseball at those levels of course in his past. But he wasnt going to be the best at it obviously.. I think he knew from there that Basketball is his calling.. plus he wouldnt make as much money playing baseball.
I agree 100%. The NBA isn't what it used to be. It makes me sick to see how soft the game (and the players) have become. And yes, get the 7 footers back in the paint posting up and stop shooting 3's.
90 basketball was the pinnacle we was lucky to witness the greatest era ever
80s was amazing too. Magic and Bird rara was golden.
90s was the era of expansion, teams could only lock down 7 players the best teams were 9 and 10 deep... Your welcome
80’s but got better beginning late 80’s into 90’s.
80s was the best…. Watching lakers vs Celtics. The ball movement, the passing, the fast breaks….. artistry in action. It was just beautiful to watch. There was a certain amount of selflessness in the game even tho there were dominant stars. 90s were great too, so I’m not taking away from that. It was also great basketball to watch.
late 70s through 90s was all good. I quit watching around 2010 and only tuned in a little when the raptors made the finals.
Hellya 1000% agree. Viewing from Detroit in the 80s and 90s was the best sports viewing I experienced ever! I'd definitely start watching NBA again if those players were playing today!
I haven't watched an NBA game for a long time. In the 80s and 90s, I would never miss a game...
I'm a Knicks fan, and I have to admit I haven't watched regularly since Sprewell was there. I'm following them today and it LITERALLY is a three point contest. No body posts up, and no smash mouth basketball to be had. Thank you for posting this because I thought It was just me. Long live old school basketball !
Greatest run we had to witness as knick fans latrell came out like MJ after that choking layoffs almost a 8 month suspension and unrusted in front of our eyes throughout the season what a run that was
What a great history of some great knick teams
Stopped watching fo years too. Just ain't the same Knicks was my team too. Football is next.
@@nardybynature266 I tapped out after eli got his first ring! And I hated the jets
Ok, so don't watch it. Issue resolved.
I don't watch the NBA anymore. Haven't for many years. But back when I used to watch it, the game, made you watch it. It drew you in. It made you want to go get a basketball and play some serious hoops. It was inspiring. This was during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I loved basketball so much. I can't even watch it now. I've tried.
Same thing with baseball horrible to watch
You too? 😂
Yes, inspiring, wanting to go to the basketball courts yourself - but then keeping an eye on the time so the actual game isn't missed, say the NBA on NBC. Now, not so much.
I haven't watched since the 90s. I agree with the soft NBA wossies
Man I grew up watching the NBA in the 80's and 90's. I think this era is a fun to watch, better than the late 90's where the Jazz scored 54 in a NBA Finals game. Great as Jordan was for the league , it created this horrible hangover effect of playing isolation ball. Part of the other issue from the late 90's was the shooting/fundamentals was lacking and players were reliant on athleticism.
I think it's really interesting physical games have gotten less interesting in the age of computers. Like the level of stats we have available has pushed a monolithic style of play. In chess, that was the case when computers first came out, now they help players go for more interesting and diverse strategies than before. So I hope this happens for basketball too.
Shaq is a great ambassador to The Game heading into an era where it's easy to forget.
The 90s were the Golden Days of the NBA!!!!
80s were the pinnacle,but the 90s had peak Jordan.Nobody could compete with the Bulls
@@dontnonowuno9953 yup the Bulls dynasty of the 90s they could have won 8 in a row maybe if Jordan didn’t decide to play baseball or golf 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@kennythai1978 would of at least loved to see them play that prime Hakeem Olajowan team in Houston that won two in a row before injuries and age caught up to them when Jordan came back.Would of been their biggest challenge of all the teams they went thru
The 90's were the Golden Days
@Bread And Circuses not until after 98 lockout. 91, 92, 93 not soft at all.
I feel the same way. I also don't like this team jumping . Great players usually are loyal to their fans and team, well at least in the old days.
I’m glad you said that!!! It makes me sick. Switch teams like changing underwear!!! Cities embraced their players back then and didn’t turn their backs. Now a player has a few bad games and they get booed. Then want to be traded to play with some other phony star!!🤮🤮
curry, Lillard, giannis, luka?
Your personal take is 💯! I hate that I can’t watch todays NBA because it was everything to me in the 90’s until 2008.
Great vid. I cringe looking at a lot of games man. They try to make u think big guys today can dribble when in fact they be carrying the ball a lot. So much traveling and carrying and touch foul calls. What makes it worse is that players today seem more about the money than really playing and improving they game.
They did play like this during the 80s and 90s, it was called an all-star game. No defense, no hard fouls, no effort, and nobody took losing seriously. The problem now its an all-star game every night minus the all-stars.
Watch the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s all star games again, and you'll change your mind. Because they they would actually play defense, and would still score 130 points or whatever, and give us a great show at the same time! All-star games back then were like regular games! Now it's a a no D 3 point chuckathon, a dunkathon and nothing else!
Ill split the difference. I remember the 1st quarter or 2 of all star games being pretty free form, but the 2nd halfs were usually tougher D being played.
Nah, an all star game in the 20th century was a typical game , played just as hard as regular season (eventually) ,just with better players . All star competition was hardcore
Excellent point!! Agreed.
NO THEY PLAYED HARD IN THE ALLSTAR GAME KID
I am so glad that you put the Kobe Bryant clip up there because that really says a lot because Kobe was even complaining about how weak the league is during his time in the league and it was still a little bit physical at that time. Just imagine what he would say now, this league is terrible and I reiterate Adam Silver is the worst commissioner in history and I’m talking about in any sport.
This video is on point!! I haven’t sat down and watched basketball, college or NBA because it isn’t quality anymore in my opinion. Kobe said it perfectly, it’s too much finesse, everyone shooting 3 pointers and not doing a very good job at it, except a select few. I really cannot stand watching it and haven’t in over 2 decades.
Oakley is the type of dude who would miss an open layup. He was literally there to bully and fight the other team and he’s talking about someone working on their game 😂
What kills me is that Chicago often tries to play Old School ball, but they get punished for it. Zach Lavine plays like Scottie Pippen in an Era where that style of play isn't rewarded. And because his style is so 90's dominant, he doesn't get calls that keep New School teams in contention. Sad. They PUNISH old school ballers. Giannis too, and Gobert.
They should bring in a 1v1 Allstars comp. Watch all these 'superstars' get exposed when they actually have to create their own shots
I love this content. Great job! Basketball used to be a very physical, "non-contact" sport. So many great points made by legends in this sport. I'll take their word over anybodys word. While I dont wanna see hack a Shaq again, I love what Isiah said. They were playing chess and todays players are plaing checkers. This years series was good, no doubt. A good combination of interior and exterior play. U gotta have both
I grew up throughout all of the 80’s and 90’s, and the players and their drive were infectious. From around ‘86/‘87 until 1999, I was SO into basketball and the NBA. I was on all my teams, I watched it on TV, including shows about it like Inside Stuff, I collected basketball cards, I rode my bike miles just to shoot around at my local civic center, I had posters and other various accessories in my room, I played basketball video games, you name it. But around the end of the 90’s my passion completely fell off a cliff. Players just didn’t seem like they cared about the game itself; only about collecting a huge paycheck. And if they didn’t have more money than they even needed in 20 lifetimes? Well they just keep moving to the next team that would pay them more and more. No team loyalty like in the days of Bird, Magic, and Jordan. Which is not to say that players never switched teams then, but not like today. I recently went to a NBA game after over 20 years. Didn’t seem like much had changed honestly. And the arena was playing hip hop and rap music almost full volume during the actual play. That blew my mind, and was really distracting. Arenas used to play music during time outs, halftime, etc, but not right in the middle of gameplay. And this is getting to be across all sports now, but the amount of advertisements actually on the players’ uniforms is really stupid. There’s nothing wrong with having sponsors and having signs or some things up in or around the arena. But don’t plaster it ON the players like some NASCAR car. That’s too much and crossing the line. I hope that trend fades with time. I’d really like to be back into basketball. I do miss it. And to done extent some of these things are across all pro sports now. But I’ve been MUCH more into pro baseball the past 24 years than anything else. It still somehow feels more old school, traditional, and you don’t have to have a 20 second attention span to watch it. You can still have patience, and appreciate some of the history of the game.
I don't mind the modern playstyle. I mind the fact that they have given the offense a green light.
They cleared out the key for slashers and they pull whistles on defenses steering smaller players. Either keep one or the other; any defender that is notable in this era would be absolutely incredible in the 90s and early 00s. By comparison, any offensive juggernaut today would probably be Mahmoud Abdoul Rauf or Mark Aguirre at best back then. I don't understand the need to give the offense everything. Make people earn their points.
It's like with any sports league in America these days. They claim Americans want to see offense offense offense. Not defence. So all the rules are towards more offense.
*BUT IS THAT TRUE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD??*
The answer is no. Since the biggest sport on the Earth is Football, known in America as soccer. It's a sport that's built on defense where the offense has to earn those goals.
Do you remember the 2005 Finals between San Antonio and Detroit. Nobody watched and nobody cared who won. It wasn't exciting to anybody outside those 2 cities. The defence was awesome. Low scoring games that finished with both teams scoring in the 80s. The league felt like it needed to make the game more offensive, it needed to tip the scales in favor of the offense in the hopes of making the games more interesting and less boring. So they changed the rules and in the process created a different game. Its sad.
The key word you used is earn.
"Make people earn their points."
We now live in a society where earn is a dirty world. People are entitled to certain things. It isn't shocked that this mindset is creeping into sports as well.
So no, players won't be earning their points like we want.
@@jlc2 How do those viewing figures compare to today's finals?
@@Zoroaster1996Ratings aren't high in today's game either but they'll say it's bc of online viewership & streaming
I watched this to get a feel for what the NBA's like now. Haven't followed it in years; but recently watching some of our old Celtics games has made me miss it terribly. Now I know..."you can never go home again." I had a feeling it was all different now...less deep.
Carrying, traveling, flopping and "drawing contact." The sport is almost unrecognizable today.
What song instrumental was that? I remember hearing it back in the day
80's - 90's NBA was the pinnacle of the sport no question.
You had to be a top tier player to get paid back then. Now, everyone is getting paid, and some are getting Forbes list money.
@@ericbutler739 And personality wise the players were so much more interesting and memorable. Everyone does and says the same shit now.
The Late 1970s set up the Golden Era…the ABA really gave the NBA a creative jolt.
@@jumbothompson It's all because of social media. That's the worst invention in humankind after the atomic bomb.
Just started watching basketball again. Live near Chicago and witnessed the Jordan and DRose era. I really enjoyed this postseason. Celtics couldn’t complete the comeback and Lakers didn’t have a chance. Jokic has talent that would work in any era. Modern players have skills, size and athleticism that I appreciate watching as a fan.
One thing is true and I don't care what the analytics says, the game is NOT about the FANS! Old school the tickets were affordable and you can actually bring a family of four without breaking the bank. In today's NBA you can't unless you're kids are grown with jobs and can afford they['re own tickets. I say that to say this; today's players don't care about what it takes and how much it cost for the average fan to attend a game. So, when they sit out it's an F.U. to all the fans.
Spot on with this comment!
Pistons & Spurs were my favorite teams last went to a Pistons game live around 2010. Live now only 25 miles from Spurs arena but will never go. I'm also done with NFL since Brady retired both sports are now a joke in so many ways. Way more love for the game & fans in pro hockey & baseball. Old school NBA all the way.
Simple solution don’t go to the games watch it on TV can get better views
Good analysis. 100% agree
Couldn’t agree more. I was a diehard Blazer fan from the 80’s & 90’s. Kept going until early 2010’s. Never liked inconsistent officiating & when super friends teams started becoming a thing, I was out. Today game looks like scrimmage & jump shooting contest to me personally, you couldn’t pay me to watch it. By late 2010’s started becoming a huge MLB fan. Stacked teams with epic payrolls routinely get steamrolled by small market or teams with smaller payrolls & I love it.
I don't usually comment, but I felt like I had to say something. I am in total agreement with you guys. I grew up as a hardcore Laker fan in the Magic Johnson era, and I am really disappointed with the way the NBA has gone.
30 yr laker fan…refuse to watch. They’re in the playoffs…normally I’d be glued to the reporting, the game, the pregame etc….now could care less.
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing
Thank you for this video, Sean! I thought I was the only one. Unfortunately, I don’t watch the NBA at all anymore. That statement alone is astonishing because I grew up with the NBA on TV every night! my father was a big NBA fan and ball player himself, so there was nothing else on TV in the evening, but basketball. And to put the cherry on top, I grew up in Chicagoland, so I grew up with Michael Jordan, in my city and on television every night, what a joy 🤩
You can't not watch any more and an opinion. If you're a vegetarian, you can't have an opinion on the best steak house.
you not the only one, born in the 90's and loved physical basketball. 80's, 90's early 2000's was some of the best basketball ever.
@@nulref575 GFY children should shut up and learn from their betters.
I lived in chicago for the final 2 championships and was lucky enough to sit along the baseline in row 5 and saw MJ float along the baseline, pure poetry, no one before him or since has been able to float like he did.
nba playoff time in the 90's was my favorite time of the year 50 games in 50 nights on TNT and TBS......I couldn't get enough!!!
I complete understand what you are saying at the end! Thank you
I love 80s and 90s basketball, there are no rivalry
That's because of LeBron always wanting to team up with his competition instead of embracing it.
@@wizzerwiser2056the actual fuck are u talking about. Lebron faced the fucking warriors for 4 years straight in the finals.
100% agree. Today's NBA is shallow. Its a mere shadow of what it used to be. I watch it and keep up with it in the hopes of recapturing something that I used to have.
"Like the dew on the mountain, Like the foam on the river, Like the bubble on the fountain, Thou art gone, and for ever!"
-Sir Walter Scott
Makes sense, cause every once in a while I hear you say “ambient” instead of nba. Certainly more sleepy than my 90’s era I grew up with
I agree I cancelled my long term NBA League pass too many changes!!
It wasn't just MJ who could play - EVERYBODY could play. That's why MJ was so popular - he was surrounded by several people on other teams who could play. The Dream Team 92 was exactly that. A DREAM team.
Yes it was! That was a DREAM TEAM in every sense of the word.
cause all those guys in the 90s could shoot 3s and finish on both sides of the rims.
Think of it like this. If Allen Iverson crossed up MJ, what do you think Kyrie would do to him?
@@jayloncollins9681 lmao AI wasn't a complete player but his crossover is the best of all time
@@onmywayup94 dude you are not old enough to even make that statement.
And Prime MJ was the 3rd option on the Dream Time, for what that's worth. And for good reason, because Barkley played out of his mind, and Malone was most of the time the better scoring option and matchup. But yea, tells you how stacked 80's and 90's NBA was. The guy who was hands-down the best player on the best team ever assembled that summer - the Barkley on the Dream Team - never won a ring in the NBA.
These old ass legends who were at the top of their game are not haters they're just right...Today's game is a glorified run and gun pickup game.. The only strategy seems to be make more 3's than the other team...
“Position-less” basketball has made the NBA so watered down. It’s impressive to see these 6’10 + guys handle the ball and shoot don’t get me wrong. But I miss the days where there was an emphasis on specialization. From a viewing standpoint, It made the game much more vibrant imo.
I have watched this video yet again, because of how much I love and agree with every former player in this video as well as you the creator. The worst thing I cant stand about today's NBA is you have players who could be all time legends like Joel Emibid and Anthony Davis. Two guys who physically should be dominating the entire league like Shaq did or like Camberlain once did. I mean who else in the league today could physically stop Joel from scoring in the paint if he decided I'm gonna be the next Shaq. Teams would be forced to double team him constantly and he would get every teams best big men in foul trouble early , all of which would force the other teams coaches to make adjustments they dont want to make. It would also still fit with the 3 point shooters in the league. I mean how many people stop and think about how Hakeem Olajuwon dominated so much inside that when teams double and triple teamed him in the 90s it left the 3 point shooting Kenny Smitgh's and Sam Cassel's and Robert Horry's wide open to cash in. But instead of using his massive strength and size. Joel today would rather spend half the game walking around the 3 point line looking for a jump shot. The same with Anthony Davis who is not as strong by any means as Joel. But he has the size and athletic ability to totally dominate in the paint. However he spends more time trying to hide from contact than he does even touching the ball on offense. Davis would rather heave a low percentage 3 point shot instead of posting up his man to draw a double team and get his team mates wide open looks. Todays big men are so soft. This is why a guy like Nikola Jokic is the MVP how many times now? I mean the funny thing is that yes Jokic can shoot 3 pointers, but he also can handle the ball like a guard. But guys like Joel and Anthony Davis should be embarrassed that they cant beat out a guy who is slow, who cant jump at all. But yet physically Jokic eats both Davis and Embid alive in the paint. Neither of those more physically gifted centers want anything to do with guarding Jokic preferring to switch off him because they are so finesse. This is why Jokic has won MVP's and now an NBA title all while not truly playing alongside another superstar while Joel has had James Harden and Yes Anthony Davis won a title with the Lakers but honestly Lebron James won that title for him because Davis could never even get a team of his a winning record until he got lucky enough to get to play with Lebron. Todays NBA stinks!
I went to watch a game of modern NBA in person (the Laker's Grizzlies game 3), its also the first time i've watched any NBA game since late 90s. Oh man did the game change. Centers shooting 3s, the lack of bodily contact, that feeling of every player was dancing ballet as opposed to playing ball. Man, i miss Kobe. Never again, waste of my time.
Lazy on defense
As kobe and barkley said here, the lack of any physical defense and every team being so devoted to the 3 has ruined the game in a lot of ways. Most teams now all play the same way. Space it out and hope you hit enough 3's to outlast the other team. It's become very predictable. There used to be a lot more variety to the game.
Guy gets the ball on the perimeter zero pressing just let him shoot the 3 they're professionals I'd expect with a non pressured shot they can all hit a 3 ... 30 year ago you got defenders with hands all over you elbows anything to stop the 3 ... Different game now
The NBA has turned into a glorified 3 pt contest and it's boring. I'm 37 and grew up on early 90s and early 2000s basketball and to me that was the golden era. The game was still very physical and defense oriented. You didn't see guys shooting 3s from the logo all game long. You seen actual offenses being ran and you seen coaches making adjustments. Now you just see who made the most 3 pt shots
Whatever floats your boat. However, there are a lot of people that love the sniper 3's. I'm one included, and I find it highly entertaining. I love watching people like Steph Curry nail 3's from half-court. I find it extremely entertaining.
@@ch-yq5yn you can watch his training then, this ain't an archery contest, ain't no point to look at that. Players didn't chose to be that broing they have been forced to, but everything is Alright they got accuracy, how pathetic that is ?
Cause non of those guys can hit the shots like they do today.
finnaly smeone said...zero defense three point contest....WAK
@@gio1985s guy hits half court shots so does Damian Lillard, trey young etc. gotta hand it to them those are crazy shots that they make
probably just me being nostalgic over “retro” things but unis and logos were PEAK in the 90’s … distinct courts too.
Yup I miss 90s basketball. I miss hand-checking. I miss the brute strength. The game is 33.3% finesse, 33.3% three pointers, and 33.3% woke.
That 2 step backwards after you stop dribbling, got me all messed up!🤦🏾♂️🤨 Definitely not like the 90’s!
Right! I don't care what the younger generation says. That's a travel! And don't get me started on the gather step either🤦🏻♂️
@@davidsantos4870 I 100% agree!!! I put a lot of blame on the referees
Traveling/walking...... pack a bag before you go that distance!
Its good to see the gratitude towards the fan experience from the old schoolers!
was well said at the end. this shit hurts. i wanna watch good ball
Agreed, i truly loved watching the Spurs games. It’s so hard to watch the game now. It was fun to watch David, Patrick, shaq & Hakeem battle in the paint. I really miss it.
I think that there’s virtually no defense or defensive strategy anymore. The open play and the euro step makes getting to the rim virtually a cakewalk. Getting a charge called is rare as well. Though I’ve seen some serious hits with players hitting the floor hard. Dunks are so common now the if it’s not a three its a dunk. I do still watch the highlights of most games.
Makes sense why you think that if you only watch the highlights.
@@especiallyabsent oh ok explain the high basketball iq these professional basketball players have ??
It’s actually way easier to draw a charge now than before. Before the league expected guys to try to block shots instead of rewarding them for sliding in front of drivers at the last second
The 1990s was the heyday of NBA centers like Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and Shaquille O'Neal.
Dude it's because back then the main threat was the paint. I love those guys but in the modern game just scoring in the paint just isn't enough. How many elite three tier scorers were there in the 90's? Compared to what a true three tier scorer is today you'd have to say zero. Even role players today can shoot like 40% from behind the arc on four or five attempts. So Ewing today could for sure protect the rim like a badass. But in the modern game if Ewing was at the rim waiting you just wouldn't go there... whereas in his day you had to go there. We have big strong athletic rim protectors today and they get paid 15 million dollars while guys are earning 50+. There is a reason for that.
Its gotten to a point where ive turned off so many NBA games and switched to Euroleague or my home countrys (Australia) NBL because its more physical.
Older players speak the truth about the game changing.
Ewing, Oakley & Mason on the court at once!!! Wow.
I LOVED it.
I feel like many things in society are "not as good as they were back..." It's like a "peak" was reached in say, the 90s, early 2000s, and then things just started to decline. Professional sports (the NBA in particular), music, civility, kindness, true artistic talent... I'm not trying to bash the things of today but there has been without a doubt a shift in how we do things. We as society have devised tools to make us more lazy. Note I didn't say, Tools that MAKE us more lazy. We created things TO make us more lazy. Lazy in our relationships, lazy in community, lazy in communication, lazy in learning, lazy in creating. There is a difference between BEING lazy and creating an environment of laziness. It is almost expected that you BE LAZY. We are rewarded for being lazy. People become wealthy and/or famous for being...lazy. That to me is part of this huge resurgence of nostalgia. Just my two cents.
I dont think this is the case at all. This is pure nostalgia. Like thats the only reason. Why am I so sure? Im 23 and I notice friends of mine of mine start to remember past events way better than they actually were. I see things as they are and I dont hate getting older or have this constant childhood nostalgia. The nba changed a lot over the years and it has turned off some fans. But there also people who became fans because of the way the game is played today. And all these old heads... what do you think players of today will say in 20-30 years? "Man my era was so shit" ofc not they will tell you the exact same things that past players do now about how everything was so much better back in their days.
@@alexandermeiering5216 Thanks for your post, Alexander
Man respect, I feel the same way! Todays NBA is just soft and sad, I hope we can get back to the wars we use to witness in the finals like when MJ23 was playing, those were WARS!
yep
I used to go out of my way to watch an NBA game. You were excited to see a player play because you got a great game out of it. Players back in the day were competitive and wanted to play. There were so many basketball stars in the 80's and 90's that held different positions. Not anymore.
I 100% agree on the players nowadays not playing every game and load management crap but having to listen to GRANT HILL talk about it is fucking hilarious as a magic fan.
I feel the same way. My life used to revolve around the NBA schedule, now the NBA has become completely unwatchable
Nah you grew up
Nope the game is trash @@monkeydavefraud
I sadly agree, and it's not even "hate" The game we grew up playing just doesn't exist anymore. I can only stomach the NBA during the playoffs anymore and that's harder. I only watch if I'm at someone else house that happens to have the game on or with family.
100% agree.... would be great to fall in love with the NBA again.... I can take it or leave it these days!!!
Kobe was the last of the warrior-minded nba athlete.
Use to love watching the heated battles of the playoffs series in the 90’s with the Bulls against the Knicks, Pacers, Magic and the west with the Jazz, Rockets, Sonics, Lakers. Even it was still really good battles in the early 2000’s with the Lakers and the Kings, Lakers and the Spurs, Allen Iverson making a great run in the Eastern conference playoffs, the Pistons team with Billups, Rasheed, Ben Wallace, Hamilton and Prince. Even the Suns squad with Nash, Marion, Amare, and Joe Johnson. Definitely was a different excitement.
But it was teams like those Suns that birthed the 3-pt. explosion and the death of the center position. Otherwise, I'm mostly with you.
Totally agree. It seems like both teams score easily every time down court in the modern game. Back when basketball was beautiful to watch, players like Jordan had to fight through intense, physical defense to score. That made it beautiful. Now, the score is tied at the end of each quarter and it's just a matter of who has the basketball last
A matter of who has the last possession was a rare joke in both the NBA and the NFL, the times when it was a shootout, but not all the time - then, it loses value.
Does anyone else have a feeling that on TV we now watch commercials and small parts of the game in between. But the most important thing isn't the game itself. We even have longer timeouts because of the commercial "break".
Never heard MJ talking about "load management"
Charles Oakley would be canceled in today's NBA 😂
Scoring 30 in todays soft era is like scoring 20 in the 90s. Scoring 30 a game in the 90s is like scoring 40 now.
At least they let them play a little more physical in the playoffs.