Sign upon my mailing list: www.royzimmerman.com/contact.html "Creation Science 101" is on my album "Faulty Intelligence" available on my website and on iTunes.
That's exactly what my 8th grade history teacher did. Halfway through the first week of school, she realized that we couldn't really understand the history without understanding the religions that drove it. So she decided we needed a crash course on religions of the world and that it would take the entire first semester to do so. She cleared it with the administrators and sent out permission slips to the parents. And it shocked us all that every single one was signed, which was amazing for a school that was easily half mormon. They're sort of known for withholding information like that from their members. The whole experience was awesome and I was so lucky to be a part of it. I never would have been curious enough about it to really research otherwise, and I would sound like your average, uninformed hypocrite while discussing it now. It should be mandatory. It really does give you a better perspective on humanity to know what all of us are being taught away from school. Thank you, Mrs. Berger.
MINDY ENGLISH Mrs. Berger sounds awesome. I had to wait until my junior year of college to take some pre-Christianity and religions of the world courses lol.
This is a big fat lie. A teacher can't whip up a new curriculum and get it okayed in a week. The principal doesn't choose the curriculum. The department head doesn't choose it. Most curricula have been in place for years. No one is going to run out, buy texts with no way to pay for them and deal them out like a hand of blackjack. Please tell your stories somewhere else.
@@updownstate well, seeing as how I was there, and lived through every second of it, I'm gonna have to tell you that you are wrong. Just because something happens that you've never seen or heard of before doesn't mean that it can't happen. I didn't assume that the idea came to her right then and there. I don't know why you did. She may have been stewing on it for years. Intelligent people tend to process stuff like that over and over before they try to make a change. Ignorant people only allow their kids to learn info that's decades old and often out of date. She was a brilliant teacher. Her name was Mrs. Berger. Our principal was one of those darn youngsters who thought education was more important than tradition. She asked, he made it happen. Okay, he was that young at all. Only when you stood him up against the rest of the administration. His name was Dr. Franklin. It was only allowed to go ahead if a certain percentage of parents signed the permission slips, and she was able to teach the remaining material by the end of the year. All but one permission slip was signed. They didn't expect that. Our town was very heavily Mormon, and they were kind of known for the control they kept over their children. So one lonely girl had to sit in the library for half the school year. Sad, but I don't care because it wasn't me. I guess you can just keep telling yourself whatever you have to to feel better about yourself. But going through life without the ability to ever take in any new information is going to leave you sad and lonely.
@@mindyenglish5305 I'm on your side of appreciating the kind of comparative religions education you were able to get compliments of Mrs. Burger and Dr. Franklin, but I suggest to you that the main purpose they had in doing so, would be to present to you a different idea than, "Sad, but I don't care because it wasn't me."
My very Southern Baptist dad believes that dinosaurs never existed. I then asked him where did all the dinosaur bones come from and his response made me ashamed to be his son... "Those bones are all made of plastic! That's why museums have Do Not Touch signs so people won't know!" I don't want to live in this house anymore.
Funny thing is, it's actually the other way around - plastic is made of dinosaurs, pulped and liquefied into oil by the pressure of tons and tons of earth over thousands of years. Which is then refined into gasoline, plastic, energy and good old american style pollution.
George Dunn There is usually a grain of truth or some sort of reason behind even the craziest sounding theory. You just have to keep digging long enough to find it and figure out how it got so convoluted.
Seriously, a Comparative Religions course should be compulsory in middle school. Kids would learn that people all over the world have different myths. The leading factor in what religion people follow is simply where (and when) they were born. An accident of geography, not some divine favor.
Jesus promised to get rid of all the wicked people...they are still here. Krishna promised to get rid of all the wicked people...they are still here. Oden promised to get rid of all the Ice Giants...I don't see any Ice Giants! Do you?
According to a well known book the Messiah, when born, would go on to herald an age with peace and happiness. Seems Christians backed the wrong rider in that race. Strangely most if not all religious festivals just happen to be linked to solar or lunar events whatever the "religion "
Tyler Tivet They teach it as literature with a focus on "classical" mythology (Greeks and Romans with a nod to Egypt thrown in). They need to be teaching comparative mythology from the world over from a sociological and anthropological perspective including analysis of symbolism in the stories, representations of cultural values and how they change, and look at the history that got folded into the cultural myths. And there is actual history in there, following clues in surviving myths has led archaeologists to the discovery of tombs and cities the world over. Some of the stories are condensations of years and generations into a single adventure, others are more or less true to life accounts of important figures and dramatic events somewhat distorted in the retelling, how much depends on how old the story is. It's actually a really interesting exercise to pick a myth - any post creation myth - and speculate on the one hand how close you can get to a literal interpretation of the story without breaking from reality and on the other how realistic you can make the myth before you loose the essentials (Sort of like what Mary Renault does with the Greek heroes).
+Dinuial I loved learning about Greek and Norse mythology in my high school mythology class. I didn't discover The Baal Epic and Canaanite mythology and its similarities with Biblical concepts until my freshman year in college. I came to love anthropology after that. It's all very interesting.
'and they begat all the rest to us/which means they must have been incestuous/I'm gonna have to pray about that' The look on his face during that part, fantastic. What a great song.
That's why I said to a certain extent. I never questioned your evidence for evolution, those are rock solid facts and there's no winning that one. You stated the Bible is so good that it taught us how to live and we got our modern laws based on the Bible. I simply said the Bible is no place to get your morals. We're a cooperative species and we have more to gain by being nice and not killing, raping, and pillaging. Bible had nothing to do with it.
I think almost everything worth knowing is written down somewhere, except how to make a perfect fried egg over medium, and I think you can't learn how to live from a book.
Rauri26 What about false advertising, fraud, falsification of data? There's nothing we can do to stop people teaching complete inaccuracies as fact? (I agree with the funding thing too, I just wish there were even more that could be done)
Nonsense could be taught in private schools as long as such schools are stripped of any accreditation and any form of public funding or tax breaks. This would cause such schools to become undesirable.
Wow!!! You must be one of the rare "Enlightened" individuals that teaches the rest of us what "Truth" is. Thanks for capturing an all inclusive insight to the meaning of life and for pointing out that we live in an age where everything is fact and nothing ever changes, and nothing new is revealed. No sense in keeping an open mind. If you havent see or touched it then it must not exist?
I want to invite Roy Zimmerman to our place for dinner sometime. He'd be a hoot and probably one of the few people my husband would have as a guest at our table!
I happen to be blindly faithful to the notion that learning and collecting information from as many sources as possible, comparing them, and then forming the most likely but still malleable hypotheses based on those rather than accepting a given source as flawless truth... might be a good idea. Unless a better one comes along.^^
I don't understand the resistance to accepting evolution. It's a beautiful explanation to how we got here. It also tells us life is constantly evolving, we're always moving, changing, growing.
+Guy Greiner I used to believe every word I was told. Until I meet a pathological liar whom I gave many 2nd chances as a 5 year old... now anything I'm told I'm sceptical
I was a Christian too, was brainwashed like most from birth by an ultra religious family. It wasn't until I was 20 or so that I woke up and realized it was a load of garbage.
I always expect his line about "the Origin of Species" to be followed up with something like "is just a giant load of feces". It seemed to nice a rhyme to leave out!
Krickistina plays Exactly. There's a real tradition of comic musicians (or musical comedians) in Great Britain, but not here in the US. Pity. We also had Allan Sherman, before he went off the rails.
You know so much about DNA then you know we've (modern humans) been around for about a quarter of a million years. To say our innate sense of right and wrong only came about 2,000 years ago is foolish.
@ZeldasDiner First Living thing- Nutrients (food) for the first cells were probably molecules that they could use for energy. Some bacteria do not need oxygen to live, and use other elements for living. Scientists have discovered bacteria that uses methane as a nutrient.
Why ? Ignorance isn’t bliss especially scientific ignorance. Evolution is the basis for a lot of medical breakthroughs. Antibiotics vaccines, treatments for cancers , treatments for endocrine disorders like diabetes. Advanced surgical techniques etc all possible because we understand that we’re related to other organisms and that organisms change in response to the environment changing .
@ZeldasDiner I recall it being on the History channel as well as Discovery occasionally, but you may be able to Google it and come up with a few clips in the results.
@ZeldasDiner The cool thing about science is it can take new evidence and rework theories so they fit better. There may not be a generally accepted theory for metamorphosis (that I know of) but if we keep looking we'll find information that will give us an answer.
@Thechristiancullen What has been observed is natural selection. For instance, auxotrophic bacteria developing entirely new metabolic pathways. So we have observed beneficial mutations accumulating over time, which is the textbook definition of evolution. Speciation is just the same thing over a longer period of time.
@carlindelco interesting proposition. You could call DNA a code, but all it really is is information in a sequence. It's pretty easy to program a computer with a random generator and some basic selection rules, and you'll see the same type of information appear by itself (think conway's game of life for example). How do you come to the conclusion that only intelligence can create sequential information?
@oteg629 "there is more to life" the facts: 1) When the brain is damaged even slightly: memories can be lost, personality can change. The brain can be transformed with slight trauma or modification to create what can only be described as completely different person. All evidence suggests that personality (what makes you you) is a biproduct of brain functioning and genetics, and that you CAN be altered. If you destroy the brain, does it make sense that you will recognize loved ones?
@ZeldasDiner a hypothesis is a what you propose in an experiment and you test it. a scientific theory describes all the observations and makes accurate predictions a a particular branch of science such as gravity or quantum mechanics or evolution.
@ZeldasDiner I assume you think jelly fish should not be fossilized due to their body structure (soft tissue no bone)? They got stranded on the beach, then covered up by fine grained sand, which would keep oxygen from decomposing the bodies. Give it some time and viola- jellyfish fossils. They're also quite rare compared to other fossils, which is why its surprising when a fossil of a jelly fish turns up.
@ZeldasDiner There is a theory of gravity. First it was Newtons Theory of Universal Gravitation but that was superceded by Einsteins Theory of Relativity. There are also theories about time. But there can't be a theory of the moon or the sun (btw stars is redundant, the sun is a star) because they aren't natural processes, they are objects. It is not the role of a theory to explain an object specifically, but it could explain the conditions necessary for the moon to exist
@oteg629 "Also, when you quote me..feel free to correct any of my typos or grammar errors." I haven't noticed any bad grammer and even if I did, it wouldn't bother me. What is bothering me is a lack of straight answers that are cryptic and confusing. Also, the quotes are designed to help you understand what, specifically, I'm addressing. This is a style I encourage you to adopt as it would help me decipher what you're responding to.
@ZeldasDiner An intermediate species isn't like a "crocoduck", it's like a mudskipper, or a lungfish. The fact that Darwin expected something doesn't say a thing, he wasn't a geologist so obviously he didn't know nearly as well how difficult fossilisation is. What you are describing is a parabole: species change unnoticeably small bits over many generations. An organism that has gone completely wrong due to a mutation or some will likely not survive to reproduce.
@ZeldasDiner ''Theory'' isn't the same definition as ''scientific theory''. For something to be considered a scientific theory, it has to be expansively tested and confirmed by peer review. Like the theory of gravity, for instance.
You know, one of my pupils accused me of making the Gargantuan Frog of Despair up? There appears to be a comma in verse 11 that's not in the original translation, you see, it's little things like that that lead to wars?
@oteg629 " life will not end with physical death. " There is a reoccurring theme of not wanting to die here. You continually reference the spirit world and living after death as a good thing. What's so bad about no longer existing after death? Are you able to acknowledge that you didn't exist prior to your birth? Was your pre-birth life painful? Was it 'bad'?
@oteg629 "I have learned that to be spiritually fulfilled" When you make reference to spirits and being spiritually fulfilled are you referring to personal satisfaction or feeling fulfilled in life? Supernatural words like spirit can have an infinite number of definitions. You could be referring to inner zen, a soul, a mood, a drink, etc. "he bible teaches is to be kind. loving" What does the bible teach kindness or love? Do you have a good passage that exemplifies these teachings?
@oteg629 " do not see that you are willing to look very deeply into any subject." I don't know what would drive this conclusion. When you ask me a question, I provide you with a clear cut answer followed by explanation.
It is important to understand that there is a BIG, BIG difference between religious belief systems and science. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are stories you believe in. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Likewise, you don't believe in evolutionary theory, rather; you use it to solve problems. What you DON'T do is "believe" or confuse science for "truth".
@oteg629 "It is a hard path to follow, but for some it yields a great amount of good. " What is it that christianity does that, from your perspective, could be labeled as 'good' or 'helpful' or 'wards off harm'?
@ZeldasDiner I doubt they are in fact the same, and even if they are they are merely examples of good designs brought forth by natural selection that have stood up to the test of time. One thing is certain though: if all species were created in roughly their present form at the same time and haven't evolved much since then we would expect to find fossils of mammals and trilobites in the same geological layer, and we have yet to.
“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” - George Bernard Shaw
Roy has got it!
This guy is incredible. Funny lyrics, nice guitar licks, and great voice.
exactly. hes not just funny, he is a good musician
That's exactly what my 8th grade history teacher did. Halfway through the first week of school, she realized that we couldn't really understand the history without understanding the religions that drove it. So she decided we needed a crash course on religions of the world and that it would take the entire first semester to do so. She cleared it with the administrators and sent out permission slips to the parents. And it shocked us all that every single one was signed, which was amazing for a school that was easily half mormon. They're sort of known for withholding information like that from their members. The whole experience was awesome and I was so lucky to be a part of it. I never would have been curious enough about it to really research otherwise, and I would sound like your average, uninformed hypocrite while discussing it now. It should be mandatory. It really does give you a better perspective on humanity to know what all of us are being taught away from school. Thank you, Mrs. Berger.
MINDY ENGLISH Mrs. Berger sounds awesome. I had to wait until my junior year of college to take some pre-Christianity and religions of the world courses lol.
This is a big fat lie. A teacher can't whip up a new curriculum and get it okayed in a week. The principal doesn't choose the curriculum. The department head doesn't choose it. Most curricula have been in place for years. No one is going to run out, buy texts with no way to pay for them and deal them out like a hand of blackjack. Please tell your stories somewhere else.
@@updownstate well, seeing as how I was there, and lived through every second of it, I'm gonna have to tell you that you are wrong. Just because something happens that you've never seen or heard of before doesn't mean that it can't happen. I didn't assume that the idea came to her right then and there. I don't know why you did. She may have been stewing on it for years. Intelligent people tend to process stuff like that over and over before they try to make a change. Ignorant people only allow their kids to learn info that's decades old and often out of date. She was a brilliant teacher. Her name was Mrs. Berger. Our principal was one of those darn youngsters who thought education was more important than tradition. She asked, he made it happen. Okay, he was that young at all. Only when you stood him up against the rest of the administration. His name was Dr. Franklin. It was only allowed to go ahead if a certain percentage of parents signed the permission slips, and she was able to teach the remaining material by the end of the year. All but one permission slip was signed. They didn't expect that. Our town was very heavily Mormon, and they were kind of known for the control they kept over their children. So one lonely girl had to sit in the library for half the school year. Sad, but I don't care because it wasn't me. I guess you can just keep telling yourself whatever you have to to feel better about yourself. But going through life without the ability to ever take in any new information is going to leave you sad and lonely.
@@mindyenglish5305 I'm on your side of appreciating the kind of comparative religions education you were able to get compliments of Mrs. Burger and Dr. Franklin, but I suggest to you that the main purpose they had in doing so, would be to present to you a different idea than, "Sad, but I don't care because it wasn't me."
Aside from being hilarious... Roy is just a freakin' awesome guitarist.
God... (can I say that here?)
My very Southern Baptist dad believes that dinosaurs never existed. I then asked him where did all the dinosaur bones come from and his response made me ashamed to be his son... "Those bones are all made of plastic! That's why museums have Do Not Touch signs so people won't know!" I don't want to live in this house anymore.
Funny thing is, it's actually the other way around - plastic is made of dinosaurs, pulped and liquefied into oil by the pressure of tons and tons of earth over thousands of years. Which is then refined into gasoline, plastic, energy and good old american style pollution.
Wow!
One of the many reasons I am an ex-Christian!
George Dunn There is usually a grain of truth or some sort of reason behind even the craziest sounding theory. You just have to keep digging long enough to find it and figure out how it got so convoluted.
Dinosaurs existed but we are not to know everything. GOD HAS HIS REASONS
Just think. The Vice President of the United States believes the world is only 6000 years old. He and your dad would get along great
Seriously, a Comparative Religions course should be compulsory in middle school. Kids would learn that people all over the world have different myths.
The leading factor in what religion people follow is simply where (and when) they were born. An accident of geography, not some divine favor.
Tim Downey So true.
hear hear! even many prominent atheists like Richard Dawkins support comparative religions courses in schools and it is important.
I learned that in Sunday school at the Unitarian Church. Maybe that’s why I had such a difficult time accepting the Christian belief system.
@P. Tiesti I'm not trying to join the military so I don't have to take the ASVAB.
And this is why religious schools want to get all the children, because knowledge is the death of religion.
Jesus promised to get rid of all the wicked people...they are still here.
Krishna promised to get rid of all the wicked people...they are still here.
Oden promised to get rid of all the Ice Giants...I don't see any Ice Giants! Do you?
Ha ha that's cause we're all wicked!
@@updownstate Speak for yourself.
@@updownstate Only in the sense that we're wicked awesome or can appreciate killer tunes!
good nuff for me.
According to a well known book the Messiah, when born, would go on to herald an age with peace and happiness. Seems Christians backed the wrong rider in that race. Strangely most if not all religious festivals just happen to be linked to solar or lunar events whatever the "religion "
Awesome musicianship, brilliant lyrics, great vocals, stinging satire! Thanks, Roy!!!
Roy Zimmerman is amazing.
Actually Mythology should be taught in school, just not in science class.
Dinuial they already are greek mythology 100yrs from now christianity will become fable
Dinuial they already are greek mythology 100yrs from now christianity will become fable
Tyler Tivet They teach it as literature with a focus on "classical" mythology (Greeks and Romans with a nod to Egypt thrown in). They need to be teaching comparative mythology from the world over from a sociological and anthropological perspective including analysis of symbolism in the stories, representations of cultural values and how they change, and look at the history that got folded into the cultural myths. And there is actual history in there, following clues in surviving myths has led archaeologists to the discovery of tombs and cities the world over. Some of the stories are condensations of years and generations into a single adventure, others are more or less true to life accounts of important figures and dramatic events somewhat distorted in the retelling, how much depends on how old the story is. It's actually a really interesting exercise to pick a myth - any post creation myth - and speculate on the one hand how close you can get to a literal interpretation of the story without breaking from reality and on the other how realistic you can make the myth before you loose the essentials (Sort of like what Mary Renault does with the Greek heroes).
+Dinuial
They do that in college. 300 level course in my uni, and I enjoyed it immensely.
+Dinuial I loved learning about Greek and Norse mythology in my high school mythology class. I didn't discover The Baal Epic and Canaanite mythology and its similarities with Biblical concepts until my freshman year in college. I came to love anthropology after that. It's all very interesting.
Creationism should be taught in social studies classes, where they say "there are people who actually believe that..."
I've listened to this an unhealthy number of times. 😂
Fantastic - lyrics and also the man's skill at the guitar.
'and they begat all the rest to us/which means they must have been incestuous/I'm gonna have to pray about that'
The look on his face during that part, fantastic.
What a great song.
That's why I said to a certain extent. I never questioned your evidence for evolution, those are rock solid facts and there's no winning that one. You stated the Bible is so good that it taught us how to live and we got our modern laws based on the Bible. I simply said the Bible is no place to get your morals. We're a cooperative species and we have more to gain by being nice and not killing, raping, and pillaging. Bible had nothing to do with it.
I think almost everything worth knowing is written down somewhere, except how to make a perfect fried egg over medium, and I think you can't learn how to live from a book.
LOVE IT !!!! Keep it up. Sometimes the truth just hurts........
Pure genius! Thanks, Roy!
Shouldn't be allowed in private schools either if you ask me...
Rauri26 What about false advertising, fraud, falsification of data? There's nothing we can do to stop people teaching complete inaccuracies as fact?
(I agree with the funding thing too, I just wish there were even more that could be done)
Just as a side note, I just saw that Britain has banned the teaching of creationism as science in public schools.
sarcastic bowl of cornflakes Britain's public schools
Nonsense could be taught in private schools as long as such schools are stripped of any accreditation and any form of public funding or tax breaks. This would cause such schools to become undesirable.
Should be totally eradicated, to put it nicely it is pseudoscience and should be made illegal.
This video is awesome!! Hat's off to you, good sir!!
Wow!!!
You must be one of the rare "Enlightened" individuals that teaches the rest of us what "Truth" is. Thanks for capturing an all inclusive insight to the meaning of life and for pointing out that we live in an age where everything is fact and nothing ever changes, and nothing new is revealed. No sense in keeping an open mind. If you havent see or touched it then it must not exist?
i love the guy that knows what "scientology" is and laughs immediately
Fucking brilliant and funny :)
This is AMAZING!!!
I love that this is the top result for creation science.
He killed me at "In the beginning it began." :D
Yep! 😂👍
I want to invite Roy Zimmerman to our place for dinner sometime. He'd be a hoot and probably one of the few people my husband would have as a guest at our table!
3:00. He's Rocking that guitar! Dam!
Awesome !!!! Best thing I have seen on UA-cam lately !
Thanks Roy, great music, I am glad there are still some normal people in the USA.
"and some of you skeptics, you know, might have a blind faith in science, and empirical inquiry, and observable reality.. and uhm.. other myths..." =D
I happen to be blindly faithful to the notion that learning and collecting information from as many sources as possible, comparing them, and then forming the most likely but still malleable hypotheses based on those rather than accepting a given source as flawless truth... might be a good idea. Unless a better one comes along.^^
Bravo!!!
I don't understand the resistance to accepting evolution. It's a beautiful explanation to how we got here. It also tells us life is constantly evolving, we're always moving, changing, growing.
If your take away the comedy. This song is actually really catchy
that was freakin' hilarious! why did I ever believe in Christianity?
***** Probably because you were a little kid and believed everything you were told. 8-)
likely.
+Jeremy Gunter it's the indoctrination of the system. I luckily never had much faith as my older brothers encouraged me to think for myself.
+Guy Greiner I used to believe every word I was told. Until I meet a pathological liar whom I gave many 2nd chances as a 5 year old... now anything I'm told I'm sceptical
I was a Christian too, was brainwashed like most from birth by an ultra religious family. It wasn't until I was 20 or so that I woke up and realized it was a load of garbage.
'Been a while since I've seen this. Zimmerman got it down.
mr. zimmermann, bravo 2 your genius sir
very amusing and entertaining...
smart ppl rock!
Do the Vikings count? :-P
Yes, on their fingers.
The Republican Theme Song
Awesome!
I always expect his line about "the Origin of Species" to be followed up with something like "is just a giant load of feces". It seemed to nice a rhyme to leave out!
This guy is like Tom Lehrer but with a guitar
Krickistina plays Exactly.
There's a real tradition of comic musicians (or musical comedians) in Great Britain, but not here in the US. Pity.
We also had Allan Sherman, before he went off the rails.
Too true!
You know so much about DNA then you know we've (modern humans) been around for about a quarter of a million years. To say our innate sense of right and wrong only came about 2,000 years ago is foolish.
Nice tag, Roy. Damn that's good. congrats on those hits. DD
You are so awesome!! wow!! thank you!!
Does this guy write for Colbert?
Ikr, they are both so awesome
+Abby Seal
Go to his website. He has several CDs for sale.
"cause look at me I'm still alive" haha
you are amazing!
Bravo!
Hilarious!
I nominate Roy to be the successor to Tom Lehrer. However, I think Tom is a cynic, not a hypocrite.
Thank you for all those facts to back up your position. It was very enlightening.
brilliant !
Great song! Fancy playing, too.
...."Old bones to test our faith in Jesus"....
There's an oxymoron in the title of this video :)
loool
MonotoneCreeper Oh, I think I see it!
Creation Science was not created by Roy Zimmerman, but by God!
Did I get it right?
Tuuc le Tuuc Uh... no.
MonotoneCreeper Do I at least get a sticker for trying?
+Tuuc le Tuuc You tried...but still not sticker worthy.
Legendary.
Brilliant and hilarious! Well done, sir. Lol
I read somewhere that science flew us to the moon, but religion flew us into buildings.
Upvote to negate the christbots, please.
@ZeldasDiner
First Living thing- Nutrients (food) for the first cells were probably molecules that they could use for energy. Some bacteria do not need oxygen to live, and use other elements for living. Scientists have discovered bacteria that uses methane as a nutrient.
That is the magic of evolution.
"you are just beginning to educate yourself when you shun evoultion"
couldn't have put it better myself. thank you
Umm . evolution is a fact
@@dancingnature Let it go.
Why ? Ignorance isn’t bliss especially scientific ignorance. Evolution is the basis for a lot of medical breakthroughs. Antibiotics vaccines, treatments for cancers , treatments for endocrine disorders like diabetes. Advanced surgical techniques etc all possible because we understand that we’re related to other organisms and that organisms change in response to the environment changing .
I love the lines at 3:20 - Fucking scathing.
Roy rocks. And I'm a guitar instructor and atheist so I have earned the official judges license.
@ZeldasDiner I recall it being on the History channel as well as Discovery occasionally, but you may be able to Google it and come up with a few clips in the results.
You are absolutely right, and you started it... Good job.
@ZeldasDiner The cool thing about science is it can take new evidence and rework theories so they fit better. There may not be a generally accepted theory for metamorphosis (that I know of) but if we keep looking we'll find information that will give us an answer.
The 7th day is Saturday in the Old Testament. It's the day the Hebrews kept Holy.
@Thechristiancullen
What has been observed is natural selection. For instance, auxotrophic bacteria developing entirely new metabolic pathways. So we have observed beneficial mutations accumulating over time, which is the textbook definition of evolution. Speciation is just the same thing over a longer period of time.
OH MY GOD THIS GAVE ME LIFE
@carlindelco interesting proposition. You could call DNA a code, but all it really is is information in a sequence. It's pretty easy to program a computer with a random generator and some basic selection rules, and you'll see the same type of information appear by itself (think conway's game of life for example). How do you come to the conclusion that only intelligence can create sequential information?
@oteg629 "there is more to life"
the facts:
1) When the brain is damaged even slightly: memories can be lost, personality can change. The brain can be transformed with slight trauma or modification to create what can only be described as completely different person. All evidence suggests that personality (what makes you you) is a biproduct of brain functioning and genetics, and that you CAN be altered. If you destroy the brain, does it make sense that you will recognize loved ones?
@ZeldasDiner a hypothesis is a what you propose in an experiment and you test it. a scientific theory describes all the observations and makes accurate predictions a a particular branch of science such as gravity or quantum mechanics or evolution.
@ZeldasDiner
I assume you think jelly fish should not be fossilized due to their body structure (soft tissue no bone)? They got stranded on the beach, then covered up by fine grained sand, which would keep oxygen from decomposing the bodies. Give it some time and viola- jellyfish fossils. They're also quite rare compared to other fossils, which is why its surprising when a fossil of a jelly fish turns up.
I'd love to see a Roy Zimmerman - Tim Minchin duet...
Nice.
@ZeldasDiner There is a theory of gravity. First it was Newtons Theory of Universal Gravitation but that was superceded by Einsteins Theory of Relativity. There are also theories about time. But there can't be a theory of the moon or the sun (btw stars is redundant, the sun is a star) because they aren't natural processes, they are objects. It is not the role of a theory to explain an object specifically, but it could explain the conditions necessary for the moon to exist
@Fragacide What's an "evolutionist"? Is it something like a gravitationist, newtonist, rutherfordist, galaxist or perhaps a geospherist?
@oteg629 "Also, when you quote me..feel free to correct any of my typos or grammar errors."
I haven't noticed any bad grammer and even if I did, it wouldn't bother me. What is bothering me is a lack of straight answers that are cryptic and confusing. Also, the quotes are designed to help you understand what, specifically, I'm addressing. This is a style I encourage you to adopt as it would help me decipher what you're responding to.
You believe what ever you have been told, no matter how crazy, and impossible.
@ZeldasDiner
An intermediate species isn't like a "crocoduck", it's like a mudskipper, or a lungfish.
The fact that Darwin expected something doesn't say a thing, he wasn't a geologist so obviously he didn't know nearly as well how difficult fossilisation is. What you are describing is a parabole: species change unnoticeably small bits over many generations. An organism that has gone completely wrong due to a mutation or some will likely not survive to reproduce.
@wensel911 you hit the nail on the head
@ZeldasDiner ''Theory'' isn't the same definition as ''scientific theory''. For something to be considered a scientific theory, it has to be expansively tested and confirmed by peer review. Like the theory of gravity, for instance.
Read a few comments back in the conversation. I know that very well, but this was a single comment in a back and forth between a creationist.
You know, one of my pupils accused me of making the Gargantuan Frog of Despair up? There appears to be a comma in verse 11 that's not in the original translation, you see, it's little things like that that lead to wars?
@oteg629 " life will not end with physical death. "
There is a reoccurring theme of not wanting to die here. You continually reference the spirit world and living after death as a good thing. What's so bad about no longer existing after death? Are you able to acknowledge that you didn't exist prior to your birth? Was your pre-birth life painful? Was it 'bad'?
@oteg629 "I have learned that to be spiritually fulfilled"
When you make reference to spirits and being spiritually fulfilled are you referring to personal satisfaction or feeling fulfilled in life? Supernatural words like spirit can have an infinite number of definitions. You could be referring to inner zen, a soul, a mood, a drink, etc.
"he bible teaches is to be kind. loving"
What does the bible teach kindness or love? Do you have a good passage that exemplifies these teachings?
What a great song and performance!
That so cracked me up.
Great! :D
@oteg629 " do not see that you are willing to look very deeply into any subject."
I don't know what would drive this conclusion. When you ask me a question, I provide you with a clear cut answer followed by explanation.
It's cool :)
@southrules per Roy, "My guitar is a Martin M36" - from the song "O Amazon" - look it up! it's great!
It is important to understand that there is a BIG, BIG difference between religious belief systems and science. Science is a tool used to solve problems. Religious belief systems are stories you believe in. You don't believe in your hammer, you use it to solve problems. Likewise, you don't believe in evolutionary theory, rather; you use it to solve problems. What you DON'T do is "believe" or confuse science for "truth".
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If you are comforted by that then I'm happy for you.
What a nice profile picture you've got there ;)
Arma-ged-your-homework-done. You are KILLING me here!
@oteg629 "It is a hard path to follow, but for some it yields a great amount of good. "
What is it that christianity does that, from your perspective, could be labeled as 'good' or 'helpful' or 'wards off harm'?
Because he's good.
@oteg629 "I don't know that my afterlife would be an eternal would be a life in paradise"
I didn't understand this sentence. Could you rephrase?
@ZeldasDiner
I doubt they are in fact the same, and even if they are they are merely examples of good designs brought forth by natural selection that have stood up to the test of time.
One thing is certain though: if all species were created in roughly their present form at the same time and haven't evolved much since then we would expect to find fossils of mammals and trilobites in the same geological layer, and we have yet to.