I was an MRI tech for several years. We are trained about the dangers, how to screen etc, in addition to the actual testing. We use non- ferromagnetic stretchers to transport any patient into the MRI suite. Clearly, this was a hospital bed that the patient was transported on. I cannot tell you the number of times I had to physically stop nurses, doctors, etc from not heeding my warnings and directions to not enter the room as they had magnetic suseptible equipment on or were trying to carry into the room. Oxygen tanks etc. Extremely dangerous. I was often told that they were doctors, nurses and they knew what the were doing and was talked down to by them as they felt they were more qualified or whatever. They're not in regards to radiology/MRI. I told them you are in my house here in the MRI suite and I am responsible for the patients safety and yours and if you cant follow my directions I don't care who you are and to exit the suite. 21 years in the field.
If a doctor does not know about MRI safety then they are not a good doctor. Great job holding your one because you know they would try to throw you under the bus if something went wrong.
@@sharazareh, dosent really define their practice as a doctor. MRI techs and Radiologists study these machines everyday and know this information in and out. While doctors and nurses never really touch the MRI room unless its a critical patient. I dont think it makes anyone “bad” just not enough experience.
Good for you and your patients. I am astounded by the arrogance and ignorance of people who go into the medical field just for the money, the prestige and the power, but apparently don't care about their patients. Plus, the pressure they're under to make money.
I wish you were trained about the dangers of the MRI contrast agent (it contains heavy metal gadolinium) which the medical system lies about, I was severely poisoned like many other patients, including wife of actor Gena Norris. See Dr. Richard Semelka's studies
We are. And you are correct. The contrast used for studies must be precise also related to the patients bloodwork and GFR kidney function, all of which should be taken into account before administration. I have canceled or refused administration of contrast based on labwork etc in conjunction in with discussion with the radiologist. @@undeuxtrois123
This is not a freak accident. This is gross negligence! MRI use precautions and safety requirements have been well established and they failed to follow them. Everything that they did is directly related to them choosing not to follow the requirements.
My doctor used to work at Kaiser for a short time and he said they have a rule for all physicians that they can only spend 15 minutes with each patient max! And if they spend more time with each patient they will fall way behind and get in trouble. They have to see 32 patients per day, everyday. My doctor would spend as much time with each patient as they required, and he would routinely stay at work until 9 pm when the hospital closed. Management came to him and said he can't do this anymore, he walked and never came back! Love that man!
@@SR71GIRL if all doctors simply followed the hippocraric oath, and refused to work in such conditions, these corporations would have to change the rules
As a trauma/ICU nurse, I've transported hundreds of patients to/from MRIs. I've never heard of this happening. But we are losing experienced medical staff at record numbers for the next decade or so.
We are losing them along with the people who train them. The local college has a nursing school but they can only accept a few applicants because they can't find instructors.
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 I retired a few years early because of a horrible workplace condition. 100,000 nurses are leaving the profession yearly with fewer than that coming in the profession. Most significantly, you lose decades of experience each.
I am an MRI technologist. Obviously, there were so many things that were neglected that allowed this to happen. The hospital bed was brought into the room, maybe by the nurse. The hospital staff is briefly trained in the safety of being in the MRI department. Those that rarely are in the MRI department may not remember, I’m NOT placing blame on the nurse. If the hospital bed is outside the room with the door open, the bed would be far enough away that it wouldn’t be pulled into the room, unless the MRI suite is crazy small, not the case here. That being said, at NO time should anything ferrous be brought near an open MRI room door. IF staff are properly trained, the routine is to ALWAYS have to MRI room door closed. It’s the MRI tech’s job and their big responsibility to make sure nothing is brought into the room without being checked. The patient needs to be screened and put on a nonferrous stretcher before being brought into the room. Before an appointment can be made, initial screening takes place. I’m grateful that I work at a hospital that uses overkill to be sure we’re always as safe as we can possibly be. The only things that have gone into one of our magnets are something the patient brought in. Ultimately, it’s the MRI tech’s job to make sure nothing like this ever happens. If you walk away from the MRI room, that door needs to be shut with a sign stating no one can enter without a MRI tech.
Exactly. That sliding part of the bed for the patient to lie as it goes into the MRI machine has to be non-magnetic material. That guerney the patient was on should had been outside of the scanning room.
Back before college affirmative action, doctors didn’t need years of “safety training” to know not to have metal in the same room as an MRI. I’m a home plumber (white guy), even I know that
@@francus7227 Lemme guess, you’re African American? Lol. There’s scientific reasons that you don’t have a metal bed in an MRI room. Reasons beyond your comprehension
There are so many measures taken to prevent this from happening, we literally have entire classes dedicated _purely_ to just MRI safety. This was easily avoidable.
Completely. And if someone weren't hurt it would be almost humorous to hear the language discussing accidents, dangerous machines, alarms not sounding, etc. LOL. It was a screw-up from people who knew better or a hospital that put untrained people in harm's way.
You have to be experienced to judge experienced. I know nothing about MRI so I wouldn't know if the people running the equipment were experienced. Same goes for the comment section expert.
My daughter is training to be a lab tech. She was with me once when i had an outpatient surgery. To me, everything was fine when the nurse took my blood. To my daughter, it was a series of no nos. Just because you didn't have an incident doesn't necessarily mean the mri people were professional.
I worked as Rad RN for 10 yrs. We were always overly cautious. But, when a floor nurse accompanies a patient, it is not their responsibility to know all of the magnet safety rules. Whomever was responsible for the magnet is also responsible for the safety of everyone. A powered up magnet with an open door...unbelievable!
Respectfully, no…not all RN (Dr , RT, etc) know or respect the rules and MR employees that are associated with the MRI environment. I absolutely love ❤️ when I get other clinical employees who come down to MRI and immediately empty their pockets of all ferromagnetic items and also understand that the MR Technologists are the ones in charge of safety. I’ve personally had RN and RT who refuse , after numerous requests , to empty their pockets and do as they’re asked. One such time involving an RT whom I asked to empty pockets 3x (after she walked through the FMD doors) and she said she did. We get into the 3T scanner and a pair of scissors flew out of her pocket into the bore…banged all around in there …and broke into several pieces. Fortunately no one was injured….except her ego. Also as a student, there was the Anesthesiologist who was also asked to empty his pockets twice after getting in the magnet room. The third time asked after he was caught jingling coins in his pocket. Complete lack of respect. ALL clinical employees with even a small chance of brining a patient to MRI need annual , if not biannual, MRI safety training and held accountable for the attitude that SOME (not all) bring to radiology when asked to empty their pockets. This isn’t about ego, it’s about patient and employee safety.
That bed would have been pulled in with the weight of a semi. There's a video on YT showing a decommissioned 4 Tesla MRI pulling in an office chair with a force of 2,000 pounds.
Having worked at Kaiser as a radiologic tech, I can say that Kaiser routinely understaffs, puts pressure upon the staff to work at an unsafe speed, and puts 100 percent of the blame on them for any safety incident. The training that used to be a part of normal medical practice is eschewed in favor of making money, and anyone who complains faces harassment and threats of termination.
You bet it is! I can't tell you the amount of problems I had going through cancer, radiation, chemo and the after effects of the treatment involved. Now, I don't want to step foot in one unless it's a life or death situation and even then I don't trust them. They've been given too much authority over patients.
The patient is probably traumatized. Staff should have had proper training, and patients should be able to trust that they do. I know many time staff are floated to areas that they don’t normally work in, because of staff shortages and such, but a patients safety should; and the staff, should never be put at risk like this….and if you are a patient who questioned anything , most of the tome you are blown off or they take your concerns personally
@@whynotbekind1957no common sense is out the window most humans can’t figure out what sex they are anymore and think they need multiple pronouns to express who they are 🤣 more stupidity like this will become more common
You might be interested in the book. The Checklist Manifesto.. it's a wonderful book written by a doctor Atul Gawande. Checklists are important not only at nuclear power plants and airplanes but also hospitals.
@@gusgrizzel8397@nancyoffenhiser4916 never claimed that MRIs had anything to do with radiation. They were talking about a book that stresses the importance in checklists in regards to safety. Nuclear power plants and airlines/aircraft are two fields/businesses where it’s rather well known that checklists are strictly adhered to. The book/OP simply was saying that as important as checklists are in those fields, they’re equally as important in hospitals, a place some people may not think about needing a checklist.
An MRI suite has four safety zones: Zone 1 is the waiting room and hallways outside the MRI suite. Zone 2 is for patients and family who haven't yet been screened for MRI safety. Zone 3 is all the areas adjacent to the scanner room. All or parts of this area may be within the magnet's field. Only screened patients, MRI techs and staff trained in MRI safety are allowed in this zone. Zone 4 is the scanner room itself, which is fully within the magnet's field. An MRI magnet is always on! No one except MRI techs should enter this zone unless cleared by the tech. There should be locked doors between Zones 2 and 3. And a lock on the door to the scanner room. No equipment - not even a crash cart -- is ever taken from Zone 2 into Zone 3, much less Zone 4. The fact that a nurse was able to roll a hospital bed all the way through to Zone 4 without encountering locked doors or MRI staff indicates a severe lapse in safety standards.
Yet the nurse who had no business bypassing those check points with an improper bed is trying to sue for her failure and incompetence. This is why insurance related to MRI procedures will continue rise, health insurance premiums will continue to rise, and people who need MRI's will not be allowed to get them. It's like the woman who ignored warnings and walked in front of a train, but her family sued the railroad. When is stupid and the actions resulting from it going to stop being defendable by litigation? MRI machines don't injure people, stupid people do.
I’m a night shift nurse & no one ever told me NOT to go into the MRI room. I had no idea it is ALWAYS ON!!!!!!! I transferred people on patient’s bed or stretcher into that damn room many times. I also assist with transferring pt to the MRI board. The damn the checklist is for the patient not , never the nurse. How can the medical field be so smart & so dumb at the same damn time!
Don’t a lot of nurses and MRI tech badge in for those doors to unlock. That’s the only way you’re getting through the hospital is with your badge but for that to happen nobody was paying attention and she should’ve realized that she was going into a zone where magnets are constantly on and that’s why they say don’t wear any kind of metalbecause if you have any kind of metal, it’s gonna get snatched off you I’ve had MRIs done on me before and he hearing this is just horrifying now
I mean as somebody who's actually worked in a hospital before, they don't train you squat on the MRI zone. When I had a patient due for an MRI I was given a checklist to go over with them, and at my hospital at least one of the MRI people comes and gets the patient. So bypasses somebody like me not realizing where the zones are or what can and can't go into which zone... Also they specifically said on this video that the zone four-door was open, she was apparently walking through zone 3, and the bed pushed her into zone 4, through the open door that should have been shut and into the magnet... Which is terrifying. Which brings me back to the fact it's not her negligence if she had never been told. It would be her negligence if she had training on it. So the question is how much did the hospital actually train its staff. (And I will say if they have 8 hours of PowerPoints and it was two or three slides somewhere in there that is not enough training for you to remember it past a week or two). 🤷
My hospital always treats my MRI transport like I'm being transported to a top secret clearance level of the hospital..... I appreciate every step, detail & question, because this could really hurt someone badly.
This was not a freak accident. It was negligence of the part of Kaiser. They will be paying out a hell of a lot more when the injured nurse and patient get through suing them. Unbelievable!!
I've been a nurse a long time and don't know much about radiology, sometimes we don't get breaks and work like dogs and it's not good for anyone.@@jkahl1985
NO lawsuit for the nurse. In the U.S. an employee cannot sue their employer. Only remedy for employee is workers compensation whether it was her fault or not
That’s not a freak accident. Everyone involved should and probably did get extensive training that what happens when you drive a bed into the MRI room is that the bed flies into the scanner.
Yup. Don’t stand in between the bed and the machine. As a forklift operator and machine operator there’s risks we take. There’s on the job training. Plus common sense. People get used to their job environment that they cut corners.
If it's not a freak accident what is it? I'm happy to see you understand magnetism. If you're serious about electricity and magnetism you'd be fighting that pollution.
At the last hospital where I worked as an RN, nobody but NOBODY went back to MRI who hadn’t completed magnetic safety training. And even then, you do not proceed through the zones without MRI rad techs supervising and guiding the process. Hospital transport personnel, nursing staff, cleaning staff-anybody with any business being back there had to be certified as being knowledgeable about risk reduction.
Right! When I would rarely take a patient down for MRI (like if they had a brace an RN had to remove), I remember there being MULTIPLE steps. You slide them into one of their gurneys. Then you enter a different area and take all your items out of your pockets. Then you answer a screening form for yourself as an employee. Then you only go into the MRI suite with the radiology techs with you. How this happened is beyond me.
@@Monika-mb6jhit sounds like lack of safety training as well as a failure to test the door’s alarm annually was a significant contributing factor in this incident.
Exactly..you mean to tell me , as an RN she had no idea how dangerous an MRI machine can be? it was never ever discussed in nursing school?.90% of the general public knows there are precautions needed around this type of equipment. Every hospital has a training/checklist something about this doesn't sound right. besides the fact there are signs literally everywhere in the/around the MRI suite
@@Monika-mb6jh What about patients who have teeth braces and have to get an MRI? Do they have to remove the teeth braces first or is it safe for them to go in the machine with them on?
I feel the same way. I've had two brain MRI'S in the last three months and got a little annoyed with filling out the repetitive forms, 99% of which asked about metal objects on, or IN your body. I will not longer get frustrated about those forms!
@@JC-tp5lz There is good reason for those. Even relatively small metal splinters from working in a factory or the like can gouge out your eye. Or even outright kill someone.
I worked at our local hospital for almost 40 years. Every year, we had basic training and safety teaching. I worked in the lab and pathology, and had nothing to do with MRIs, but still had to sign off on basic safety issues like the four zones, and no metal objects. This is stuff every employee knew, from nursing to secretaries, to housekeepers to food service workers.
I would almost guarantee that the nurses were not trained properly and were under pressure to get too much done in not enough time. The insurance companies now run the hospitals with devastating results. 😟
100%. it seems the insurance companies are the bosses now, and can even second guess doctors.... in fact they can dictate how a doctor practices medicine...
Why would the insurance company be behind this? They want LESS people in the hospital, not more. This is 100% the hospital's fault to "rack 'em, pack 'em, & stack 'em" to get as many patients seen as possible.
I worked as a Biomedical electronics technician for 38 years, sadly 99% of the time care giver error leads to tragedy like this. I was also a hospital safety officer and had to fight the careless mindset of staff and administration in several instances.
It is getting worse. I have been working the last 12 years as a quality and performance analyst in our region and there is gross-negligence happening everyday in almost every hospital in North America. The business grads that run the hospitals cannot and do not like to communicate with the medical staff and most doctors these days are lazy divas that believe they are above doing the boring parts of their jobs like filling our paperwork.
I literally just had an MRI last Friday, and it’s not the only one I’ve had this year. I’m already battling various health issues but witnessing something like this would’ve surely scarred me as I already have PTSD. My heart goes out to the technician who was hurt in this incident.
Sameee I always get the most rude staff as well. When I was young I was having x-rays, well the needle where they put the dye in your blood wasn't put in correctly and it burned so bad like I was screaming and the nurse behind the window yelling "calm down you're fine!!!" I couldn't move or anything it was like torture. Then when lo and behold the scan didn't work and she came to see the dye was all over my arm, so she acts surprised, no apology no nothing. I demanded something to knock me out for the redo and it was like she was going to argue with me about that! I've had similar experiences with the MRI, like those ghetto ones where it's tiny and it rocks the bed back and forth like wtf is this even safe. Yeah I hate hospitals. I hope you get over your ailments
As an MRI technician, I can asure you this can only happen if there was "NO" registered experienced present or that was a new nurse that took it on themselves to "pull" that bed into the MR room on their own. I'm sure no one saw them doing until it was too late. Getting pinned like that with a hospital bed is HIGHLY unlikely without MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE failures.😢
Not the first time Kaiser has had this happen. I used to work for a veterinarian who’s wife was killed by Kaiser when a radiation table fell on her. And if you sue them you only get $250,000 because they have a cap on what they pay out, that hasn’t changed since the 70s. He lost his wife and he has seven kids. 🤦🏼♀️
You actually CAN'T increase "mindfulness" by 1 training every 6-month, it's useless and simply a waste of resources! More practical to find some solution to "raise awareness" each time they come in and use that machine, as well as increase their mental/physical conditions! Yes, the machine OPERATORs need to be HEALTHY, not sick like patients who need to be scanned! 😏
the training is minimal. I agree with this. As an MRI tech, I have seen some scary situations. When 'training' in HR the new hire is generally given lots of things to read and videos to watch. Nobody listens, nobody pays attention. I was in a group that had just finished watching a video on MRI safety and someone asked me about going in the room when the MRI was turned off.. One of the first things taught is that THE MAGNET IS ALWAYS ON!!!. So that was useless training in my opinion. I try to take people in the room and use a small object like a bobby pin or paperclip and they watch it get yanked out of my hand and fly through the bore... then it becomes real.
@@anniesshenanigans3815Wait the magnet is always on?! I am baffled how this mistake can happen then. This is as serious as the rule to not point a loaded gun at anyone (even if the safety is on). The instructor should make sure they pay attention for that critical point at least. Something like that.
As a senior MRI tech, I can tell you how many times we get eye rolls when we do a thorough check list to make sure NOTHING ferro magnetic is brought into zone 4. (The scan room). It’s to prevent things like this. Not just a pt bed but a wheelchair, a pair of scissors in an RNs pocket, an ID badge with a metal clasp. These are things that can be pulled into the magnet and cause pt or staff injury. There were a lot of neglectful things I saw in that report. If I was an attorney, I would have a field day. It shows just how serious our safety checks are to avoid these events
QUESTION: Can a person with fixed bridge (teeth) be allowed to have MRI test? There is a recommendation in my foot ultrasound report to have an MRI of foot but im worried to go for it because of my fixed bridge😢...
I am a nurse and was taught that anything metal will be pulled by the MRI machine. That is why they ask do you have any metal in your body because it can pull it right out of you if you do not take the precautions. They are extremely dangerous. I feel horrible for that nurse.😢😢
But I hear in terms of working there, it's great for the employees no? A lot of benefits to the point some may say the employees are spoiled. But they still go on strike so what do I know...
I love Kaiser as a former employee and a patient. Maybe certain regions they lack in quality?..I am in the midatlantic region..I don't have any complaints.
MRI suites are designed and laid out to avoid these kinds of occurrences. That means this wasn't an accident. It was oversight at best, gross negligence at worst.
@@Kate09090 agreed. Not only do people need to be fired, but licenses need to be yanked, and people need to be going to jail. The hospital I work at makes us take MRI safety training every single year, without fail. They have no excuses.
@@engmed4400 Sometimes, it's the culture overall. Those who oversee just want things to get done & don't care who doesn't know what until something like this happens.
@@floflo8153Maybe those people should not be in charge. Maybe no one who rushes people to skip crucial steps in safety should be in charge. Maybe we also shouldn't ever let insurance companies tell us what proper protocol or procedure has to look like. This is so disgusting. I hate capitalism with more passion than I can put into words.
@@spaarm Freak accidents are defined as 'rare and unexpected.' The hospitals are aware of the safety precautions; and what could happen if they do not follow them. They are not as rare as the public thinks, did you see the chart of MRI accidents due to not following the standard precautions? One preventable accident, and this was preventable is too many.
I just went for an MRI here in Ontario. I don't like confined spaces. I let the lady that was doing the MRI know that. So i get in and I'm overweight, so my arms are crushed at my side, my body felt squashed. I could barely breath, so i kept taking deep breaths, as i knew i had to get this done to find out what was wrong with me. When it finished, i yelled, get me out of here. I told her this was terrible and her reply was, you could of asked for a bigger MRI machine that we have in the next room. I said, are you kidding me and how was i suppose to know that. Terrible.
They didn’t tell you that they had a larger MRI that was available? Why wouldn’t they put a larger patient into the larger tube just as a standard practice?
Absolutely NO metal can be used or taken into a MRI room. MRI's are one of the strongest magnets. This seems more like negligence. The Hospital should have numerous safeguards. How the hell did they get a whole bed into that room without someone saying whoa?
The fact that you are surprised by this scares me! The truth a lot of places aren't looking for skill (or intelligence) these days. They are just looking for bodies. I bet if you were in charge of training these people, none of them would have jobs. Because you and your co workers were trained properly. I doubt these people were.
@@marshallarnold-ep7nnit also depends on the hospital structure...my uncle suffered a neck crack and was paralyzed. He did surgery and was fine, but he almost died a few times due to bad saftey measures when using the ventilator and badly installing the abdomen feeding tube..it was Hell for him and it still is...he has uranary issues and needs surgery. I told my mom that the hospital did more damage than his neck fracture ever did.
The civil suit will get them for more, but, yes, they should definitely pay a higher fine. Unfortunately, that means they try harder to cover up the minor injuries and accidents. Profiteering is the cancer of the healthcare system.
I had an mri at a hospital ER in modesto and they were on their game! The mri is kept outside in a separate building and wheel chair I was brought out there in was left outside. Team of two people made sure no metal went in there and they asked me if I had any metal in me prior to mri. Kudos to them! Hope the nurse recovers fully.
Last time I had an MRI I flippantly mentioned I had once had a possible metal sliver in my eye from about 15 years earlier. It was actually not metal, instead it was a cornea scratch, but my mere mention was nearly enough to cancel the procedure. Once I confirmed the true condition they let me continue. Now I’m really thinking differently about why they were so set to cancel it. They even told me body piercings might be a problem. After watching this I believe that pierced nipples etc could result in rapid flesh tearing occurrences actually being a thing!
There was an absolutely horrific Reddit medical story from a while back about a patient who didn’t remember he had been shot in the head with a BB gun as a child. The mri dragged it through his brain. That was just the start of the whole situation but he didn’t make it. Thank goodness for their caution.
@@ariadne0w1 I thought BBs were made of copper, which made me think your comment was wrong. But it seems the ones from my youth were copper coated steel. Which as I’m thinking about it, I think I recall using a magnet to assist with loading because dropping them meant having to gather them up. A BB embedded in the skull seems unlikely, but being still under the skin on some fleshy area is viable. While maybe not a deadly instantaneously horrific event, a sudden violent reverse bullet wound could be traumatic to say the least! If it was in the bone! Holy hell that’s a very different story
@@STV-H4H It's a reddit story so I can't vouch for the veracity, but it wasn't instant.I think it was in the skull to begin with, or even the brain just barely because of the exact right/wrong angle. Nasty story. Can't remember the details but I think with the brain damage and everything he was unexpectedly irascible and ran off on the medical team. They found him hours later in a supply closet where he had somehow managed to do himself a grievous injury and between the brain damage and the blood loss, died before they could even try to treat him.
@@STV-H4H copper coated steel ball bearing, which is what the BB stands for, ball bearing. Think of an MRI as an angry god that's super grabby on anything that likes magnets. Simplest way of thinking of it. Where a screwdriver can trivially kill you from across the room. None of that Hollywood guiding it or wrestling with it, it's going, period, end of story.
Kaiser in Oakland charged me for X-Rays, doctors evaluations, and extra services that I did not receive when I went to urgent care to get checked from a motorcycle accident. My co-worker insisted that I go to hospital and he dropped me off, even though I only had bruises and scrapes. I was only checked by a nurse and all she did was put bandages and I was released. There were no x-rays or doctors.
@@lkd06 Yeah. This was awhile back and the bill is no longer on my credit report. I’m in SF now but feel that all of Kaiser pretty much operates as a business.
Kaiser in Oakland was terrible, a friend who's spouse had Kaiser had a lot of trouble with the pharmacy getting his/her scripts filled delays, mix ups. Around the last six years before I left my old job, the company switched to Kaiser. I went to their clinics a few times. And used the Delta/Dental Plan with my dentist.
kaiser is horrible. absolutely awful. they drugged me up and sent me on the road and caused a car accident. absolutely negligent. my mom worked there for 20 years and had a tumor in her spinal cord, went completely immobile before they did an mri... 4 years of complaining about the pain, they finally saw took the tumor out because it was an emergency that cut off her blood flow. was disgraceful.
Medical centers need to support patient transportation home by providing adequate services such as as authorized drivers for uber, lyft, and public transit are not allowed due to antitheses drug legalities which prevents access to care even when surgeries are scheduled for they require a driver that's not a taxi. There is a corporate ride service, but you're looking at $200 or more dollars out of pocket for a 20 minute ride home by someone that doesn't speak English that probably isn't even in country legally. Luckily Veterans Affairs case manager drove me home when I had surgery twice for I haven't any close loved ones to lean on in a time of need.
@@WarriorVinyard they medicated us as we left an out patient facility, knowing people were driving etc. you were required to take the meds on site, i requested to take mine when i got home throughtout the whole program and was denied repeatedly.
This happened 8 months ago, and it just made the news??!! 🤔 KP needed plenty of time to do damage control, have their attorneys set up a defense denying liability and targeting a "scapegoat" to take the fall! There's going to be a huge lawsuit and payout, and KP will go to any lengths to avoid responsibility.
They get hush money behind the scene; NDA, “we will give you money this much, but you can’t ever disclose or report anything of what happened to anyone and wave rights to sue”. Yes they get money. This happened to their employee on the other hand so the nurse probably had to fight to get her wage covered and her lawyer reported to the authorities. That’s why it’s in the public media. But I bet this had happened hundreds of times in the past decade. This hospital needs to be investigated period. It must be grossly negligent for this to come out to the public.
I toured a hospital as an elementary school student in Asia, the Dr responsible for giving us the tour showed us the sheer strength of the MRI machine from the door (not even multiple corridors) by holding up keys, tightly, in his hands as we watched the keys sway towards the MRI machine. I'm quickly on my way to 50 years old. Unacceptable.
@@theadventurekidz-scienceho843 This is something that should have never happened though. That bed should have never even entered the same room as the machine, and multiple layers of safety were skipped. Any medical device can kill you with enough negligence involved, and this was absolutely atrocious. MRIs are safe as long as basic procedures are followed
I'm very claustrophobic. I had my first MRI a few months ago. I was doing fine the tech kept checking in on me. I guess I was a pro because he stopped checking in.. the last test felt like 20 mins. He wasn't reassuring me that we were almost done. I started silently going crazy thinking the machine would slowly close around me... I held on for dear life and finally made it through.. don't know if I could do it again
I was once told I was ok not removing jewelry since it was only my knee getting the MRI…now I know this was BS. As a patient you are on your own nowadays…look out for yourself and don’t let them rush you!
Depends what the jewellery is made of. Aka, don't take any chances. Just take it off. Had my first MRI last week. Never been in one so the natural thing to do is to google it and people's experiences with it. Didn't take me long to find out about how dangerous it could be because of the magnetic force. So i made sure to find out if my permanent braces would be an issue beforehand, and made sure to only wear clothing of just cloth. No buckles, zippers, buttons, nothing. It baffles me how many just don't do research even tho they have a smart device glued to their hand all day.
Unfortunately protocol varies between institutions but generally wedding rings/simple earrings, facial studs are "safe" to wear if the lower body is being scanned. Especially if it is titanium, surgical steel, gold, or silver. The greatest danger of wearing jewelry in an MRI scanner is not torque nor it flying into the machine but rather it causing burns from the radiofrequency. It is not likely to happen if the jewelry is not near the center of the scanner but it is best practice to remove all metal items on the body.
It’s not BS, depending on the kind of jewelry. Small earrings for example are usually okay. I work on ICU and often have to go into the MRI room with patients
Having worked back in 2000 -2004 with MRI’s .. what the hell!! There were strict procedures back then. Kaiser either allowed laziness or a 3rd party involved got lazy. And an 18 thousand dollar fine is chump change for them.
That’s just the fine. Wait for the civil lawsuit from that nurse! Those doors are supposed to be inaccessible because that magnet can literally kill people who aren’t prepared.
there is something suspicious. there are multiple physical barriers to get through in order to get the bed in the same room... as well as warning signage. almost all facilities as well, the various entrances are all offset to each other.... there is no direct line of sight from zone 1 to zone 4.
@@xisotopexit's definitely surprising regardless of facility, but many built prior to having zoning in mind for MRI dont often fit the recommendations of a post MRI hospital, which certainly leads to these incidents becoming increasingly likely
I was a nurse for 7 years. We are trained on MRI safety. And any nurse should know that a patient bed is loaded with ferromagnetic materials! NO WAY would I push a patient bed into an MRI room!!!
@@mindys1198I work in the lab and I was taught that it is ALWAYS on, and is only turned off when it needs service or something has gotten stuck in it, which costs 10k for the hospital to service after an accident. This should’ve never happened if the employees we’re following policies.
I worked as a field service engineer for a few years on CT's. While I can't speak for the MRI, the CT's would scare some people if they knew what was going on inside that big machine. Super heavy components spinning around you, inches from your body.
No emergency stop on those machines either. Magnetic fields are multiple Tesla. Shutting down the machine instantly would cause the machine to effectively explode.
@@Jesse5111I always said that being inside one while it’s running is like being buried in a lighted coffin on a construction site with a jackhammer running a couple of feet from your head. I highly recommend self-hypnosis training before getting an MRI! I actually managed to get myself to fall asleep for a minute or two inside one once.
As a patient having had numerous MRI exams at multiple facilities over the years, this is alarming. I’ve never thought of this type of potential danger and risk involved if procedures are not followed. Interesting.
@@daphnea5447 just because a patient gets a MRI either once or more than once , that does not mean they will understand how exactly it works or how strong of a magnet it actually is or even be told anything about a magnet . your comment is much too assuming .
The machine can be dangerous, but so can the contrast dye. some people have adverse reactions to the dye, causing kidney injury. I have been on dialysis ever since my 3rd contrast MRI. the bad thing is, you don't know if you are going to have a reaction until you do, and then it is often too late.
@@marleonetti7 Thank you for your comment. Betting the vast majority of the general public and certainly those who’ve had an MRI, understand significant magnetic fields are involved, hence its name and the numerous questionnaires and verbal discussions prior to exams; however, the potential for incredibly catastrophic results if procedures aren't followed and shown here is most interesting. Every staff I've dealt with has been very professional and seemingly goes beyond the call. And yep, I appreciate the care and competence demonstrated by my medical professionals and do make a point to thank them. It's complicated work and has significant responsibilities.
It really is INSANE how many warning signs, labels, and protocols are plastered around these rooms and get completely ignored by staff. Utterly inane somehow people still managed to use their worst judgement having severe bodily harm and death be the result of their laxity.
That is the problem: TOO MANY SIGNS and you become sign saturated. Open the manual of any appliance and count how many 'DON'T' pages. Much of this is Lawyer CYA, but the bottom line is the reeely important one got overlooked.
You should worry more about the fact that the leading Prof. of Engineering at UC Berkeley contradicted the state engineer by stating that both the Gooldengate and Bay bridges are unsafe.
loss of life is the only thing that will make logic jump to the forefront of your mind in regard of protocols, safety and just overall caution. until they have a story of someone unfortunately passing included in the "training" no one will listen. and they become complacent. you can see this phenomena everywhere and at every level in out current society. someone said the term this week to me and i already forgot it. but they have a term for it. Basically people arent cautious only because it hasnt happened yet, so they dont put in place barriers to stop it from happening, to them its an expense rather than an investment. You know the dangerous street that never had any stop signs or traffic lights, and everyone in town told you to pay attention to. it only gets a light or fixed up AFTER someone unfortunately passes. the city wont think its important until then. reactive, never proactive. prevention is the best cure.
It's as if people don't intuitively understand how a giant permanent magnet reacts to metal in the vicinity of it. Even the popular TV series, Breaking Bad, did an episode referencing the power of a magnetic field. And many people have played with powerful NdFeB magnets that can crush limbs at worst and draw blood in the smallest cases of them coming together on skin. The MRI has permanent magnets that cannot be "shut off" so it makes these incidents pretty horrific. Removing the bed in this incident would have been extremely painful and even more damaging to the nurse's body. You generally have to slide the magnet from the metal, because pulling it apart takes a lot of force.
@@paulsaulpaulThere is a way to “turn off” the MRI magnets, but it’s expensive and can damage the equipment. The magnets are superconducting and stay at very, very cold temperatures whether the machine is running or not. If the magnets are allowed to warm up, they lose their incredible strength until they’re supercooled again. If there is no immediate danger to anyone, they let it warm up slowly. If a person is trapped, they have to quench it, which means rapidly warming the magnets. The rapid and uneven thermal expansion can cause damage, so it’s only done in emergencies.
The patient should have been transferred to MRI stretcher prior to entering MRI Suite. As an ICU nurse for 47 years & taking patients to MRIs for almost 4 decades, I am horrified that any nurse even a new nurse would make that mistake. Before in wall o2 & o2 tanks MRI certified, tanks would fly into scanners. Before MRI ventilators, pts could not go despite some emergent needs.
Agreed, it should probably be a whole semester class in nursing school about the hazards associated with all the various equipment used in the hospital these days to be reemphasized every year in the annual competency class by the regular nursing staff, whether they are inpatient or outpatient.
@@simon6071 Depends on if it's ferrous metal. The MR tech should go over this with you. Any shrapnel, any surgical clips (prob titanium), any implants, any devices such pacemakers or other, any rods, etc. Ask them.
I used to be employed as an MRI Tech. One of the hospitals I worked at had horrible safety procedures. Completely against guidelines. There were times they would scan MR Unsafe implants without supervision from a physicist or MRSO. I told the supervisor about all this and was told to stay quiet. I then quit the job and notified both the state of Michigan as well as the joint commission. Absolutely nothing happened and they are still scanning today.
Not surprised it is Kiaser. They no doubt threatened staff to cover it up. Management did not call OASHA. I was a whistle-blower against Kaiser for a serious issue. Kaiser excuse is their standard excuse.
Sadly, these MRI acts of carelessness is a Nationwide Issue, Kaiser or Not! Please read my comment of a 6-year-old boy killed at a New York area Hospital, in 2001. Thank you.
Wasnt there a simple sign saying no beds near the machine as these will be sucked into the machine. This simple 8-minute news video should be shown to all hospital workers.
Now a days they will hire just about anyone to work in a medical office or hospital. My jaw drops every time I see how employees are allowed to dress, talk and act while working with the public/patients. It’s definitely not like it used to be where you had to speak properly, dress appropriately and act civil, SMH 🤦🏻♀️
I don't give a single crap how people dress, I care if they're good at their job or not. If anything ruined society, it was boomer tone policing pretending to be a meritocracy
@@eleanapshock9016Yeah I agree these youngsters lack common sense. They think they can dress inappropriately and they don’t even know what it means. It’s all about “me me me” and they’re just not great at what they do either. They’re also quite disrespectful to people with much more experience, rebellious even. These are also isolated individuals, they often lack morals big time.
@@KittenBowl1 Walt Disney called your generation the "teenager problem" and thought it was so bad that he tried to build an Orwellian glass dome city to keep you out. How 'rebellious and lacking morals' must someone be to irreconcilably piss off _Walt Disney_? Do you think dressing differently would have made him like the generation, or was it more the attitude of impossible entitlement and abuse?
Yeah, if it was a small business it might mean something, but for a $25B+ corporation it's nothing to care about. At least fine them a percentage of their net income. This is where big lawsuits are the only way to force a change.
@@ryanlandry8214 yeah, but that corporation paid off lobbyists to get fines eroded to meaninglessness, penalties driven down to no punitive value and torts virtually eliminated. There was a young man named Finnegan, who broke out of the jail just to sinagain. So foul were his crimes, that in next to no time, the jail that he broke out of he's inagain.
they work with the regulators; make you go through mediators and limit the time length you can sue once you find out they are negligent; believe even a cap on how much you can sue for.
I had a terrible experience with a shoulder MRI at Kaiser about 15 years ago. . There was only one person helping me. He was almost silent. I told him I was in great deal of pain and had never had an MRI before, hadn’t slept, slightly claustrophobic, and prone to hot flashes. He just shrugged. He said here is a panic button for you but don’t worry I’ll come back in a few minutes to check on you. They told to me that it was an open MRI but there’s was only a slit. I had waited for more than a year to get the MRI. He positioned my arm in a way I was in agony. I decided to tough it out. Well tech never came back in . I was trying to be still but I had to to some deep breathing. He left me in there for an hour. I was in tears when he finally came back. I said why didn’t you come back and check on me? He said he kept trying to get a good image and keep repeating the MRI. He acted as though he had never done one before. Now I am severely claustrophobic and I will never get another one unless sedated.
You should have been medicated for pain and anxiety prior to leaving for the MRI (inpatient) you won't have an RN accompany you if you are not on telemetry or from ICU; I don't know what happens when it's outpatient, generally there won't be an RN present just the MRI tech and assistant. MRIs can be quite long, anywhere from 15 minutes to 90 minutes of laying very still.
That’s a terrible awful experience. But there’s no need to make it last a lifetime. phobias are acquired and can be unacquired. Seek qualified counselling
I’m not surprised by your experience unfortunately. It seems like healthcare workers are more careless for whatever reason. The quality of staff is worse.
When I was studying physics at university, we visited Philips Medical Systems' MRI facilities one day. When entering the MRI room, everyone had to go through a metal detector. As we approached the machine, one of my fellow students suddenly felt his shoes being pulled to the machine with great force. It turned out that he was wearing shoes with steel toe caps that had been missed by the metal detector. Luckily, he was able to pull away from the machine before he was pulled into it.
Yup. I work with installation/decommissioning of medical equipment, including CTs and MRIs. MRIs are scary beasts and you need to be careful around them. Our work shoes have toe caps of either titanium or carbon fiber, all our tools are made of non-magnetic titanium etc. I wear glasses, they need to be titanium framed with titanium screws. You do not want to mess around with MRIs.
Reading above about how MRI installers use titanium screws for their eyeglass is so interesting. Seeing how these machines are delivered to hospitals and installed would be so educational.
I was wondering why metal detectors weren't standard in hospital settings. Obviously they're not 100% as evidenced by your anecdote, but they'd catch more potential issues than not.
I've lost track of how many MRIs I've had, but the staff was always thorough about safety, so I've never had reason to be nervous. How these people screwed up this bad, I find hard to understand--it isn't at all difficult to get right. Last one I had was at OSF's teaching hospital in Peoria, just a few months ago. I'm very pleased OSF took over the hospital I've gone to most of my life...they're running it better than any of the previous owners. The other hospital we have here, I wouldn't be caught dead in...I wouldn't trust them to put a band-aid on me.
It sounds like this incident happened due to multiple failures by multiple people at various stages. Lack of proper safety training, failure to test the door alarm annually as recommended, Overall the facility’s own safety protocols/guidelines weren’t followed. Definitely sounds like in this facility it wasn’t a matter of *if* an incident was going to happen , but *when*
I'm also from Peoria, I was CNA for 16 years and worked at OSF on Neuro for 4 years. I agree, I only have Doctors that are within the OSF Group and would never go to Methodist now Carle Health or Proctor.
@@ravenc4912I’ve had so many I couldn’t even count. Cancer was my reasoning. Not that you need to know my personal medical. It’s rude to ask people that in such a manner, when you don’t even know them.
There are marking on the floor to let staff know where the magnetic flux lines are. Everyone is trained that works in the MRI to not let any magnetic materiel pass the line.
The nurse wasn’t part of the MRI team. The door was left open for anyone to wander in. That area should be closed off unless there is an MRI tech present.
Proof that there are a lot of people acting as professionals that are just passing the buck, not paying attention, and don't understand how things work.
This is terrifying! Everyone needs to hear this!!! Pass it on, with more and more inexperienced workers being hired in positions like this, we could be next!
It’s not always about inexperienced, every field needs new recruits. It’s about proper training that isn’t occurring. Stop putting the blame on the little guys and blame the money hungry who aren’t doing their part.
I mean you always act with caution. That way you dont fuck up. They have intercom locks on mri rooms in NHS trusts im sure shits happened but this is crazy. Did they have any standards
And one was a female prisoner. They took the cuffs off but left the belly chain on. The sheriffs dept. even asked the MRI technician if that should be removed and she said that she thought it would be alright to stay on. Sheesh
I think that incident was in Arizona. One of my friend is a nurse and she had to go with a sick premature infant for a MRI. The MRI team also screened her as well as the infant. She forgot that she had a bobbie pin in her hair. She said she felt it being pulled. Thankfully, they were not yet in the final zone for clearance.
I had a wrist brace on for carpal tunnel support that appeared not to have any metal in it, and the technician said it should be fine. When the technician went into the other room to push the buttons to activate the MRI, my body retracted into the machine and the MRI started doing its thing, my entire arm was lifted off my body about midway center of the MRI's cylinder and held there with a great deal of force as the MRI started whirring. I couldn't move my arm down back to a resting position from the magnetic force. I pressed the panic button, and the dude came and got the wrist brace from me. No harm done, but that magnetic force is pretty incredible.
I am a neurology/epilepsy patient, so MRIs are a regular thing for me. I am also an electronic musician, so when I go in, I hear the different sounds coinciding and then moving apart, and I hear the different pitches as harmonics of each other, it forms a kind of machine music to me. Last time, I was so focused on it that when it ended I said, "it's over?" and they said, "what, you want more?". I explained how I listened and they said, "well, this is definitely a first!". I am also a DJ at a free-form radio station and I explained that sometimes you'll hear stuff as weird as that on the air late at night... going in next week for another one...
I've had both. Several MRI scans in fact and a couple of CT scans. No problems whatsoever. 100s of thousands of scans are done each day and done without incident.
Yes, and considering how many crazy nurses there are it’s just pathetic. I’m not talking about the one in the article, I just have personal experience with a lot of women that are completely insane that become nurses. No offense to the good ones though. 😊
My mother was an LPN that worked for a short time in a Catholic owned hospital. She said it was no place for a sick person and if you have to go to a hospital, leave as quickly as you can. Her motto was that hospitals will either cure you or kill you.
My younger sister was misdiagnosed for a year... She had a BABY'S HEAD SIZED VISIBLE mass on her right side They told her it was a lipoma and put her complaints of pain away to drug seeking.. There was a blood test that can be used to identify ovarian cancer called CA 125 but they didn't want to do it because of false positives. When her abdomen started ballooning they began to realize their mistake because her CA125 was close to 1400 and normal is under 35. The fluid in her abdomen was full of cancer cells. They didn't treat the fluid with chemo to kill the cells but instead they operated on her so that any cut surface exposed to the cancer filled fluid allowed the cells to invade every part of her body. She had to have her ballooning stomach drained 3 times so that she could breathe.. She died less that a year after they finally Dx'd her... I remember her asking me if she were going to die.. I said I would do everything I could to prevent it.. I did that and she had 2.5 months of living at home under my care after their hospice said she wouldn't last the week.
@@M_SC kaiser... misdiagnosed my younger sister... and I had 2 brothers who were kaiser patients and died 9 months apart of heart defects that could have/should have been detected at the physicals they had to take for work. I wouldn't send my worst enemy to kaiser.
EMT here- my company used to transfer patients from hospitals to their homes, nursing homes, other hospitals, etc... KP Redwood always pissed me and my coworkers off. We serviced every kaiser facility in the bay and Kaiser Redwood was always the worst hospital when it came to patient pickups. In the emergency room we would frequently get incorrect paperwork for different admitted patients (major HIPPA violation), in the medical floors, most nurses didnt even know how to print out the correct form of paperwork. Every time we picked up a patient who had a "Do Not Resuscitate" form, we would get pissed because almost every nurse there would tell us we didnt need that form. 9 times out of 10 when we won that arguement, no nurse on that floor could locate the form signed by the patient and doctor saying we shouldnt start CPR on them. If you dont have that form you must do CPR on that patient. It was always a constant battle with the nurses at KP Redwood, and it's sad because it's mostly due to the lack of training there. My coworker had a patient die in his ambulance and they only had a form saying the patient had a DNR on file, but wasnt the actual signed form because KPR lost the original and couldn't produce a digital copy. My coworker almost lost his license to practice medicine for that because it was so normal to not have a DNR at Kaiser Redwood.
EliteXSoldier, Please read my comment about the 6-year-old boy killed by an oxygen tank carelessly brought into the MRI area; and it was at a Non-Kaiser facility, in New York, 2001!
@lolwtnick4362 Patient was on hospice and was on her last few breaths. Even though patient had weak labored breathing the hospital staff gave her morphine for the 30 minute trip home. If you put 2 and 2 together morphine is a depressant. There is no care we could have done to result in the death of that patient, since we can't administer prescription medication. All we do for DNR patients is get them comfortable, talk to them for the ride, assess vitals, and document. Don't blame my coworkers for having a patient die in our ambulance for something we didn't do, he almost lost his license because kaiser lost a form saying to not resuscitate him. With or without that form the world goes round' and we have to transport that patient regardless.
I just had a MRI at Kaiser and had no idea they had issues with being unsafe. I felt pretty safe during my appointment, now I know why there are so many little rooms before you go in 😅
Being someone with health issues that require hospital testing, I have seen the negligence with my own eyes and stopped having yearly tests done out of fear for my safety. Thing is, when something does go wrong, they laugh it off like it's no big deal which makes me even more nervous.
I hope you reported the errors - not to get people in trouble but because if things aren’t reported, then they can continue happening or be swept under the carpet. Especially if people brush it off at the time.
IF YOU HAPPEN TO TELL THE STAFF YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE HAZARD GOING ON , THEY GIVE YOU THAT LOOK LIKE, "I CAN'T BELEIVE SHE JUST SAID THAT". SHE IS A KAREN!!!
I was supposed to have my shoulder checked out in the MRI Machine but a small voice kept telling me not to have it done, besides I'm claustrophobic! And I will NEVER! Put myself in the position of being closed in deliberately or otherwise. Wow! I'm happy that I followed my first mind. 😱
I used to work in the Safety/Security Department of a large hospital in Houston. Once we responded to a call from the MRI area and ended up having to pull a wheelchair off the machine. The patient should have been transferred into a non-ferrous wheelchair prior to entry, but someone screwed up and left him in a regular wheelchair. Fortunately the patient wasn't injured.
The hospital I worked at were VERY careful with their MRI machine, and the techs would “check every box” to make sure that everyone was safe to go into the MRI room! Adding more “oversight” or rules won’t help, because obviously they didn’t follow even current rules for this to happen. Either people had gotten complacent about MRI safety and didn’t follow MRI rules, they were grossly understaffed and distracted, or they were undertrained in MRI safety.
LoL, "Kaiser is now facing an $18000 fine" which is nothing more than pocket change compared to the lawsuit the nurse will most likely bring against them.
I've worked in Hospital Supply Chain and worked closely with MRI techs and even within zone 2 (Zone 3 is the machine itself) after it was renovated. The techs made sure that I never went close to the Zone 3 door, and they were serious about it. Every time I was in the area, I could hear them going over a checklist with each patient, screening for metals. Nurses weren't even allowed anywhere but the hallway outside and in Zone 1 (control room). Anytime I was in Zone 2, I had to leave my badge, keys, scanners, phone, etc in Zone 1. What seems like common sense to me was surprisingly absent here and that just blows my mind.
2:33 _Colombini v. Westchester County Health Care Corp._ is a tragic case involving the 2001 death of a six year old boy. Michael Colombini was at the hospital undergoing magnetic resonance imaging when he was struck by an oxygen tank as he lay inside the MRI machine. He died from his injuries 53 hours later. Bearing full responsibility, Westchester County Health Care Corp. (the formal name of Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, New York) had agreed in 2010 to pay $2,900,000.
I remember the story vividly very well to this day. It was so heartbreaking when it happened and I can't believe that it killed that little boy. Over 20 years ago, wow. His accident unfortunately plays in my head whenever I do a MRI and I'm always cautious by looking around in the room to see if anything is left in the room such as an oxygen tank or anything that can, God forbid, cause a horrible situation again. It is so sad that it happened to that little boy. I feel for the family and that hospital should have given them a lot more than what was awarded to them since it took years later.
I was an MRI tech for several years. We are trained about the dangers, how to screen etc, in addition to the actual testing. We use non- ferromagnetic stretchers to transport any patient into the MRI suite. Clearly, this was a hospital bed that the patient was transported on. I cannot tell you the number of times I had to physically stop nurses, doctors, etc from not heeding my warnings and directions to not enter the room as they had magnetic suseptible equipment on or were trying to carry into the room. Oxygen tanks etc. Extremely dangerous. I was often told that they were doctors, nurses and they knew what the were doing and was talked down to by them as they felt they were more qualified or whatever. They're not in regards to radiology/MRI. I told them you are in my house here in the MRI suite and I am responsible for the patients safety and yours and if you cant follow my directions I don't care who you are and to exit the suite. 21 years in the field.
If a doctor does not know about MRI safety then they are not a good doctor. Great job holding your one because you know they would try to throw you under the bus if something went wrong.
@@sharazareh, dosent really define their practice as a doctor. MRI techs and Radiologists study these machines everyday and know this information in and out. While doctors and nurses never really touch the MRI room unless its a critical patient. I dont think it makes anyone “bad” just not enough experience.
Good for you and your patients. I am astounded by the arrogance and ignorance of people who go into the medical field just for the money, the prestige and the power, but apparently don't care about their patients. Plus, the pressure they're under to make money.
I wish you were trained about the dangers of the MRI contrast agent (it contains heavy metal gadolinium) which the medical system lies about, I was severely poisoned like many other patients, including wife of actor Gena Norris. See Dr. Richard Semelka's studies
We are. And you are correct. The contrast used for studies must be precise also related to the patients bloodwork and GFR kidney function, all of which should be taken into account before administration. I have canceled or refused administration of contrast based on labwork etc in conjunction in with discussion with the radiologist. @@undeuxtrois123
This is not a freak accident. This is gross negligence! MRI use precautions and safety requirements have been well established and they failed to follow them. Everything that they did is directly related to them choosing not to follow the requirements.
Agree 100% with this statement, 100% avoidable but cost cutting leads us to this. 20+ years in the industry.
Bingo, because Kaiser they don’t have very professional nurses they are to young and stupid!
Employees got lazy!
@@Brandon-rc9vp cost cutting? How on earth is medicine so expensive? The cost is ridiculously high!
@@annep.1905 They cut staff and training which causes these incidences. It's GREED.
My doctor used to work at Kaiser for a short time and he said they have a rule for all physicians that they can only spend 15 minutes with each patient max! And if they spend more time with each patient they will fall way behind and get in trouble. They have to see 32 patients per day, everyday. My doctor would spend as much time with each patient as they required, and he would routinely stay at work until 9 pm when the hospital closed. Management came to him and said he can't do this anymore, he walked and never came back! Love that man!
I believe MANY corporate medical facilities require the same. The GREAT doctors get out as soon a they can.
That's pretty much THE NORMA now. Corporations are buying up the healthcare system!
Business
@@SR71GIRL if all doctors simply followed the hippocraric oath, and refused to work in such conditions, these corporations would have to change the rules
@@asamanyworlds3772 healthcare and business should never be used in the same sentence
Seeing a whole hosptial bed mangled in a MRI machine is horrifying
It was the stretcher the patient arrived on, not a hospital bed. It was quite mangled though.
@@MossyMozartthe “well actually” is strong in you my son
God only knows what damage these machines are doing to our bodies.
@@grazz7865Sad you think god is a relevant concept nowadays smh use your mind
Grazz7865 - I would say little to NONE seeing how we're not made of METAL!
As a trauma/ICU nurse, I've transported hundreds of patients to/from MRIs.
I've never heard of this happening. But we are losing experienced medical staff at record numbers for the next decade or so.
We are losing them along with the people who train them. The local college has a nursing school but they can only accept a few applicants because they can't find instructors.
@@tiredoldmechanic1791 I retired a few years early because of a horrible workplace condition. 100,000 nurses are leaving the profession yearly with fewer than that coming in the profession.
Most significantly, you lose decades of experience each.
The tech when I got my MRI was incredibly competent and I also cannot imagine a mistake like this happening.
What the hell..
We are not just losing good experienced nurses, but also some good doctors.
Trauma nurse don't know jack you need MRI staff there.
I am an MRI technologist. Obviously, there were so many things that were neglected that allowed this to happen.
The hospital bed was brought into the room, maybe by the nurse. The hospital staff is briefly trained in the safety of being in the MRI department. Those that rarely are in the MRI department may not remember, I’m NOT placing blame on the nurse. If the hospital bed is outside the room with the door open, the bed would be far enough away that it wouldn’t be pulled into the room, unless the MRI suite is crazy small, not the case here. That being said, at NO time should anything ferrous be brought near an open MRI room door. IF staff are properly trained, the routine is to ALWAYS have to MRI room door closed.
It’s the MRI tech’s job and their big
responsibility to make sure nothing is brought into the room without being checked. The patient needs to be screened and put on a nonferrous stretcher before being brought into the room.
Before an appointment can be made, initial screening takes place.
I’m grateful that I work at a hospital that uses overkill to be sure we’re always as safe as we can possibly be. The only things that have gone into one of our magnets are something the patient brought in. Ultimately, it’s the MRI tech’s job to make sure nothing like this ever happens. If you walk away from the MRI room, that door needs to be shut with a sign stating no one can enter without a MRI tech.
Exactly. That sliding part of the bed for the patient to lie as it goes into the MRI machine has to be non-magnetic material.
That guerney the patient was on should had been outside of the scanning room.
B.S.
I've taken hundreds of patients for their MRI. We ALWAYS wheel the bed next to the machine and slide the patients from the bed to the machine....
"Fatal Attraction."🧲😆
Back before college affirmative action, doctors didn’t need years of “safety training” to know not to have metal in the same room as an MRI. I’m a home plumber (white guy), even I know that
@@francus7227 Lemme guess, you’re African American? Lol. There’s scientific reasons that you don’t have a metal bed in an MRI room. Reasons beyond your comprehension
There are so many measures taken to prevent this from happening, we literally have entire classes dedicated _purely_ to just MRI safety. This was easily avoidable.
Completely. And if someone weren't hurt it would be almost humorous to hear the language discussing accidents, dangerous machines, alarms not sounding, etc. LOL. It was a screw-up from people who knew better or a hospital that put untrained people in harm's way.
Yep. Lesson 1 - the magnet is always on.
As soon as they're done with classes they're completely forgotten cause they become more interested in socializing and spending their dirty money.
It's not so easy with the toxic & underpaid & understaffed work environment at hospitals.
@tessamarsh9796 That's how we treat them at the plant. We have entire bays marked off, if you don't have proper clearance, you don't go through.
I cannot begin to imagine how painful that must’ve been. I hope that nurse fully recovers.
I can’t believe she lived!!! Thank goodness. So scary
She later died from infections
@@crispysocksss I don’t see that anywhere, where did you see that?
@@crispysocksss🤣💀💀
I was once crushed by thousands of pounds of medical equipment. It was a very heavy phase of my life.
I've had many MRI tests. Thank God the people involved in my tests were professionals
Same.
You have to be experienced to judge experienced. I know nothing about MRI so I wouldn't know if the people running the equipment were experienced. Same goes for the comment section expert.
I also had one, lucky before hearing about this, and from professionals as well
My daughter is training to be a lab tech. She was with me once when i had an outpatient surgery. To me, everything was fine when the nurse took my blood. To my daughter, it was a series of no nos. Just because you didn't have an incident doesn't necessarily mean the mri people were professional.
every so often, we have gross negliance that result in these incidents.
I'm a nurse and we are aware of the danger of MRI machines...but it's just so scary that this actually happened.
Gee's I get an annual MRI, not gonna lie, very nervous and scared now!
I worked as Rad RN for 10 yrs. We were always overly cautious. But, when a floor nurse accompanies a patient, it is not their responsibility to know all of the magnet safety rules. Whomever was responsible for the magnet is also responsible for the safety of everyone. A powered up magnet with an open door...unbelievable!
No you all are not obviously!😂
I'm a nurse as well. I don't play with MRI machines at all! My patient is dropped off and I stand far enough away but close incase anything happen.
Respectfully, no…not all RN (Dr , RT, etc) know or respect the rules and MR employees that are associated with the MRI environment. I absolutely love ❤️ when I get other clinical employees who come down to MRI and immediately empty their pockets of all ferromagnetic items and also understand that the MR Technologists are the ones in charge of safety. I’ve personally had RN and RT who refuse , after numerous requests , to empty their pockets and do as they’re asked. One such time involving an RT whom I asked to empty pockets 3x (after she walked through the FMD doors) and she said she did. We get into the 3T scanner and a pair of scissors flew out of her pocket into the bore…banged all around in there …and broke into several pieces. Fortunately no one was injured….except her ego. Also as a student, there was the Anesthesiologist who was also asked to empty his pockets twice after getting in the magnet room. The third time asked after he was caught jingling coins in his pocket. Complete lack of respect. ALL clinical employees with even a small chance of brining a patient to MRI need annual , if not biannual, MRI safety training and held accountable for the attitude that SOME (not all) bring to radiology when asked to empty their pockets. This isn’t about ego, it’s about patient and employee safety.
That’s insane. Poor nurse. I hope she recovers. I hope the patient is ok.
Ofcourse she’s in the hospital itself.
@@Cocoboi7 Lol, totally forgot
That bed would have been pulled in with the weight of a semi. There's a video on YT showing a decommissioned 4 Tesla MRI pulling in an office chair with a force of 2,000 pounds.
The ironic part is she needed an MRI scan to show the extent of her injuries...
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334And the MRI machine was now out of commission!
Imagine... getting crushed by an MRI scanner only to have to be put right back into one for your own injuries.
Sense of humor still there thanks to you.
The MRI machine says “Well, look who came crawling back.”
MRI sucks.
It's a catch 22 vicious cycle of life
OMG, I laughed and laughed and laughed as I read the comments on your post. You all deserve a star 🤩⭐🌟🌠✴
Having worked at Kaiser as a radiologic tech, I can say that Kaiser routinely understaffs, puts pressure upon the staff to work at an unsafe speed, and puts 100 percent of the blame on them for any safety incident. The training that used to be a part of normal medical practice is eschewed in favor of making money, and anyone who complains faces harassment and threats of termination.
Kaiser is the worst.
Definitely
once an org for the ppl, now an org for profit is their mission statement
I believe it. That's how most businesses operate these days.
Criminals
I left nursing years ago…the medical system is BROKEN!
You bet it is! I can't tell you the amount of problems I had going through cancer, radiation, chemo and the after effects of the treatment involved. Now, I don't want to step foot in one unless it's a life or death situation and even then I don't trust them. They've been given too much authority over patients.
So did I!!!!! I do not regret it!!!!! The medical system is BROKEN!!!!!!!
@@mjblue84 Good for you! People thought I lost my mind, actually it was the healthiest thing I could do for myself.
Every system in this whole country is broken😢 it's sad
@@dmo848 And this will ultimately lead to the extinction of the human species, and sub-human animals and insects will re-inherit the earth.
I hope this nurse recovers and is restored to good health.
🙏🙏
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How is the nurse doing?
The patient is probably traumatized. Staff should have had proper training, and patients should be able to trust that they do. I know many time staff are floated to areas that they don’t normally work in, because of staff shortages and such, but a patients safety should; and the staff, should never be put at risk like this….and if you are a patient who questioned anything , most of the tome you are blown off or they take your concerns personally
@@whynotbekind1957no common sense is out the window most humans can’t figure out what sex they are anymore and think they need multiple pronouns to express who they are 🤣 more stupidity like this will become more common
That's not an accident, that's negligence
Even as a student nurse decades ago, I was properly taught about patient safety when bringing a patient down to them. We had a checklist.
free Israel from extremist jews . Secular Israel is future of Israel
You might be interested in the book. The Checklist Manifesto.. it's a wonderful book written by a doctor Atul Gawande. Checklists are important not only at nuclear power plants and airplanes but also hospitals.
@@nancyoffenhiser4916 Magnetic resonance is not radiation. It is the magnetism that is attracts ferrous metals.
@@gusgrizzel8397MRIs aren't airplanes either.
@@gusgrizzel8397@nancyoffenhiser4916 never claimed that MRIs had anything to do with radiation.
They were talking about a book that stresses the importance in checklists in regards to safety. Nuclear power plants and airlines/aircraft are two fields/businesses where it’s rather well known that checklists are strictly adhered to. The book/OP simply was saying that as important as checklists are in those fields, they’re equally as important in hospitals, a place some people may not think about needing a checklist.
An MRI suite has four safety zones: Zone 1 is the waiting room and hallways outside the MRI suite. Zone 2 is for patients and family who haven't yet been screened for MRI safety. Zone 3 is all the areas adjacent to the scanner room. All or parts of this area may be within the magnet's field. Only screened patients, MRI techs and staff trained in MRI safety are allowed in this zone. Zone 4 is the scanner room itself, which is fully within the magnet's field. An MRI magnet is always on! No one except MRI techs should enter this zone unless cleared by the tech. There should be locked doors between Zones 2 and 3. And a lock on the door to the scanner room. No equipment - not even a crash cart -- is ever taken from Zone 2 into Zone 3, much less Zone 4. The fact that a nurse was able to roll a hospital bed all the way through to Zone 4 without encountering locked doors or MRI staff indicates a severe lapse in safety standards.
Yet the nurse who had no business bypassing those check points with an improper bed is trying to sue for her failure and incompetence. This is why insurance related to MRI procedures will continue rise, health insurance premiums will continue to rise, and people who need MRI's will not be allowed to get them. It's like the woman who ignored warnings and walked in front of a train, but her family sued the railroad. When is stupid and the actions resulting from it going to stop being defendable by litigation? MRI machines don't injure people, stupid people do.
I’m a night shift nurse & no one ever told me NOT to go into the MRI room. I had no idea it is ALWAYS ON!!!!!!! I transferred people on patient’s bed or stretcher into that damn room many times. I also assist with transferring pt to the MRI board. The damn the checklist is for the patient not , never the nurse. How can the medical field be so smart & so dumb at the same damn time!
@@urnparadise2903glad you havent encountered any incident.
Don’t a lot of nurses and MRI tech badge in for those doors to unlock. That’s the only way you’re getting through the hospital is with your badge but for that to happen nobody was paying attention and she should’ve realized that she was going into a zone where magnets are constantly on and that’s why they say don’t wear any kind of metalbecause if you have any kind of metal, it’s gonna get snatched off you I’ve had MRIs done on me before and he hearing this is just horrifying now
I mean as somebody who's actually worked in a hospital before, they don't train you squat on the MRI zone. When I had a patient due for an MRI I was given a checklist to go over with them, and at my hospital at least one of the MRI people comes and gets the patient. So bypasses somebody like me not realizing where the zones are or what can and can't go into which zone... Also they specifically said on this video that the zone four-door was open, she was apparently walking through zone 3, and the bed pushed her into zone 4, through the open door that should have been shut and into the magnet... Which is terrifying. Which brings me back to the fact it's not her negligence if she had never been told. It would be her negligence if she had training on it. So the question is how much did the hospital actually train its staff. (And I will say if they have 8 hours of PowerPoints and it was two or three slides somewhere in there that is not enough training for you to remember it past a week or two). 🤷
My hospital always treats my MRI transport like I'm being transported to a top secret clearance level of the hospital..... I appreciate every step, detail & question, because this could really hurt someone badly.
I read a story about a kid who died from a skull fracture because an oxygen cylinder hit him.
This was not a freak accident. It was negligence of the part of Kaiser. They will be paying out a hell of a lot more when the injured nurse and patient get through suing them. Unbelievable!!
The nurse was at fault, didn't follow protocol. Anyone in the medical field knows, no metal any where near the MRI machine.
I've been a nurse a long time and don't know much about radiology, sometimes we don't get breaks and work like dogs and it's not good for anyone.@@jkahl1985
It's corrupt. Even lawyers won't represent you anymore against hospitals. I know I've tried.
NO lawsuit for the nurse. In the U.S. an employee cannot sue their employer. Only remedy for employee is workers compensation whether it was her fault or not
How is the nurse going to sue them, when she was the one who didn’t follow safety guidelines?
That’s not a freak accident. Everyone involved should and probably did get extensive training that what happens when you drive a bed into the MRI room is that the bed flies into the scanner.
Noun. freak accident (plural freak accidents) An incident, especially one that is harmful, occurring under highly unusual and unlikely circumstances.
Yup. Don’t stand in between the bed and the machine. As a forklift operator and machine operator there’s risks we take. There’s on the job training. Plus common sense. People get used to their job environment that they cut corners.
If it's not a freak accident what is it? I'm happy to see you understand magnetism.
If you're serious about electricity and magnetism you'd be fighting that pollution.
@@johnwattdotcait was a management caused event due to improper hiring and training standards
@@SixOhFivethis John and Karen bs accounts above do nothing but post nonsense.
At the last hospital where I worked as an RN, nobody but NOBODY went back to MRI who hadn’t completed magnetic safety training. And even then, you do not proceed through the zones without MRI rad techs supervising and guiding the process. Hospital transport personnel, nursing staff, cleaning staff-anybody with any business being back there had to be certified as being knowledgeable about risk reduction.
Right! When I would rarely take a patient down for MRI (like if they had a brace an RN had to remove), I remember there being MULTIPLE steps. You slide them into one of their gurneys. Then you enter a different area and take all your items out of your pockets. Then you answer a screening form for yourself as an employee. Then you only go into the MRI suite with the radiology techs with you. How this happened is beyond me.
Was looking for this comment. Why was the nurse doing the job of three separate departments? (nursing, transport, and radiology)
@@Monika-mb6jhit sounds like lack of safety training as well as a failure to test the door’s alarm annually was a significant contributing factor in this incident.
Exactly..you mean to tell me , as an RN she had no idea how dangerous an MRI machine can be? it was never ever discussed in nursing school?.90% of the general public knows there are precautions needed around this type of equipment. Every hospital has a training/checklist something about this doesn't sound right. besides the fact there are signs literally everywhere in the/around the MRI suite
@@Monika-mb6jh What about patients who have teeth braces and have to get an MRI?
Do they have to remove the teeth braces first or is it safe for them to go in the machine with them on?
Ive had several MRI's and will no longer be bored at the routine questions and procedures. I owe the staff a bouquet 💐
I feel the same way. I've had two brain MRI'S in the last three months and got a little annoyed with filling out the repetitive forms, 99% of which asked about metal objects on, or IN your body. I will not longer get frustrated about those forms!
@@JC-tp5lz There is good reason for those. Even relatively small metal splinters from working in a factory or the like can gouge out your eye. Or even outright kill someone.
😂😂😂
I worked at our local hospital for almost 40 years. Every year, we had basic training and safety teaching. I worked in the lab and pathology, and had nothing to do with MRIs, but still had to sign off on basic safety issues like the four zones, and no metal objects. This is stuff every employee knew, from nursing to secretaries, to housekeepers to food service workers.
I would almost guarantee that the nurses were not trained properly and were under pressure to get too much done in not enough time. The insurance companies now run the hospitals with devastating results. 😟
100%. it seems the insurance companies are the bosses now, and can even second guess doctors.... in fact they can dictate how a doctor practices medicine...
Why would the insurance company be behind this? They want LESS people in the hospital, not more. This is 100% the hospital's fault to "rack 'em, pack 'em, & stack 'em" to get as many patients seen as possible.
And also didn't know what magnets are.
And scumbag lawyers run insurance companies
Agency staffing
I worked as a Biomedical electronics technician for 38 years, sadly 99% of the time care giver error leads to tragedy like this. I was also a hospital safety officer and had to fight the careless mindset of staff and administration in several instances.
It is getting worse. I have been working the last 12 years as a quality and performance analyst in our region and there is gross-negligence happening everyday in almost every hospital in North America. The business grads that run the hospitals cannot and do not like to communicate with the medical staff and most doctors these days are lazy divas that believe they are above doing the boring parts of their jobs like filling our paperwork.
@@au303 I agree and they also don’t give nurses the support they deserve. Nurses are straight up bosses! 🙌🏾❤️
@@missalphaomegagod-2u Agree, and STNA's/CNA's. 💯
@@kristenmarie9248 yes indeed absolutely! 💯❤️
I literally just had an MRI last Friday, and it’s not the only one I’ve had this year. I’m already battling various health issues but witnessing something like this would’ve surely scarred me as I already have PTSD. My heart goes out to the technician who was hurt in this incident.
Sameee
I always get the most rude staff as well. When I was young I was having x-rays, well the needle where they put the dye in your blood wasn't put in correctly and it burned so bad like I was screaming and the nurse behind the window yelling "calm down you're fine!!!" I couldn't move or anything it was like torture. Then when lo and behold the scan didn't work and she came to see the dye was all over my arm, so she acts surprised, no apology no nothing. I demanded something to knock me out for the redo and it was like she was going to argue with me about that! I've had similar experiences with the MRI, like those ghetto ones where it's tiny and it rocks the bed back and forth like wtf is this even safe. Yeah I hate hospitals. I hope you get over your ailments
Mike,
A nurse was harmed.
I'm due for an MRI, but not at kaiser. But I'm still wondering.
As an MRI technician, I can asure you this can only happen if there was "NO" registered experienced present or that was a new nurse that took it on themselves to "pull" that bed into the MR room on their own. I'm sure no one saw them doing until it was too late. Getting pinned like that with a hospital bed is HIGHLY unlikely without MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MULTIPLE failures.😢
Mike Anvil are these machines safe or not??
@@ethanlee-c3dthe definition of safe != definition of harmless
Hth
Not the first time Kaiser has had this happen. I used to work for a veterinarian who’s wife was killed by Kaiser when a radiation table fell on her. And if you sue them you only get $250,000 because they have a cap on what they pay out, that hasn’t changed since the 70s. He lost his wife and he has seven kids. 🤦🏼♀️
They need to fire whoever runs that department and anybody needs to have training every 6 months to keep up their certificates
You actually CAN'T increase "mindfulness" by 1 training every 6-month, it's useless and simply a waste of resources! More practical to find some solution to "raise awareness" each time they come in and use that machine, as well as increase their mental/physical conditions! Yes, the machine OPERATORs need to be HEALTHY, not sick like patients who need to be scanned! 😏
the training is minimal. I agree with this. As an MRI tech, I have seen some scary situations. When 'training' in HR the new hire is generally given lots of things to read and videos to watch. Nobody listens, nobody pays attention. I was in a group that had just finished watching a video on MRI safety and someone asked me about going in the room when the MRI was turned off.. One of the first things taught is that THE MAGNET IS ALWAYS ON!!!. So that was useless training in my opinion. I try to take people in the room and use a small object like a bobby pin or paperclip and they watch it get yanked out of my hand and fly through the bore... then it becomes real.
@@LEARNING-67exactly!
@@anniesshenanigans3815they are more concern about to vaccinate us with COVID, because they make money!
@@anniesshenanigans3815Wait the magnet is always on?! I am baffled how this mistake can happen then. This is as serious as the rule to not point a loaded gun at anyone (even if the safety is on).
The instructor should make sure they pay attention for that critical point at least. Something like that.
As a senior MRI tech, I can tell you how many times we get eye rolls when we do a thorough check list to make sure NOTHING ferro magnetic is brought into zone 4. (The scan room). It’s to prevent things like this. Not just a pt bed but a wheelchair, a pair of scissors in an RNs pocket, an ID badge with a metal clasp. These are things that can be pulled into the magnet and cause pt or staff injury. There were a lot of neglectful things I saw in that report. If I was an attorney, I would have a field day. It shows just how serious our safety checks are to avoid these events
@schwisow9688 - Also, no masks with the metal strip in the bridge of the nose!
QUESTION: Can a person with fixed bridge (teeth) be allowed to have MRI test?
There is a recommendation in my foot ultrasound report to have an MRI of foot but im worried to go for it because of my fixed bridge😢...
I am a nurse and was taught that anything metal will be pulled by the MRI machine. That is why they ask do you have any metal in your body because it can pull it right out of you if you do not take the precautions. They are extremely dangerous. I feel horrible for that nurse.😢😢
I heard even tooth fillings can be pulled off, is that true? Like the old ones
@@dccd673 No. I had an MRI for a shoulder problem before I had all the metal fillings in my teeth replaced. No problem.
You’re speaking pure nonsense
I have metal rods and a plate in my jaw..ive had mri's! It wasn't pulled through my skin😂
Only ferrous metals
$18,000 fine is nothing to that company.
The damage on the MRI is probably higher.
@@buddy1155 ok? But the lawsuit isn’t… so what’s your point? MRI is not a lot compared to the multimillion dollar lawsuit.
@@WolfCAlpha A 500K machine is a lot compared to the 18K fine they got.
@@buddy1155 and a million dollar plus lawsuit is more.
Non profit
I'm an "old" critical care nurse who has accompanied many of my patients to the CT Scanner & MRI. This is a little frightening!
Wow!
'Old' is not in our vocabulary.
A little frightening? No, this a lot frightening to me! I'm never getting an MRI now!
Kaiser Permanente is the Dollar Tree of healthcare.
Now you are talking 👍
Please tell my husband this
But I hear in terms of working there, it's great for the employees no? A lot of benefits to the point some may say the employees are spoiled.
But they still go on strike so what do I know...
There are some very good doctors at Kaiser.
I love Kaiser as a former employee and a patient. Maybe certain regions they lack in quality?..I am in the midatlantic region..I don't have any complaints.
MRI suites are designed and laid out to avoid these kinds of occurrences. That means this wasn't an accident. It was oversight at best, gross negligence at worst.
Exactly. I’ve had at least a dozen MRIs. A LOT has to go wrong for this to happen.
@@Kate09090 agreed. Not only do people need to be fired, but licenses need to be yanked, and people need to be going to jail. The hospital I work at makes us take MRI safety training every single year, without fail. They have no excuses.
@@engmed4400
Sometimes, it's the culture overall. Those who oversee just want things to get done & don't care who doesn't know what until something like this happens.
@@floflo8153 given some of the places I've worked, that doesn't surprise me in the least.
@@floflo8153Maybe those people should not be in charge. Maybe no one who rushes people to skip crucial steps in safety should be in charge. Maybe we also shouldn't ever let insurance companies tell us what proper protocol or procedure has to look like.
This is so disgusting. I hate capitalism with more passion than I can put into words.
So I love how during the piece talking about MRI they are showing a CT scanner @ 1:15
You can’t blame patients for refusing to go in the mri machine again. Wow.
If u have anxiety about it, they will Rx you a benzo sedative
Why would patients refuse to use an mri machine? This was a freak accident due to negligence.
@@spaarmbecause he/she has good sense
@@spaarm Freak accidents are defined as 'rare and unexpected.' The hospitals are aware of the safety precautions; and what could happen if they do not follow them. They are not as rare as the public thinks, did you see the chart of MRI accidents due to not following the standard precautions? One preventable accident, and this was preventable is too many.
@@spaarmIt happens more often than you think.
Lack of accountability! Lack of training! Lack of transparency!
I just went for an MRI here in Ontario. I don't like confined spaces. I let the lady that was doing the MRI know that. So i get in and I'm overweight, so my arms are crushed at my side, my body felt squashed. I could barely breath, so i kept taking deep breaths, as i knew i had to get this done to find out what was wrong with me. When it finished, i yelled, get me out of here. I told her this was terrible and her reply was, you could of asked for a bigger MRI machine that we have in the next room. I said, are you kidding me and how was i suppose to know that. Terrible.
Omg! How unempathetic and dumb of her
yeah you could've asked for MAID services. sounds like you're headed there leaf.
Yeah im small very tiny i dont like them I'm extremely claustrophobic
They didn’t tell you that they had a larger MRI that was available? Why wouldn’t they put a larger patient into the larger tube just as a standard practice?
Obviously a nurse devoid of any empathy!
I feel for you!
Absolutely NO metal can be used or taken into a MRI room. MRI's are one of the strongest magnets. This seems more like negligence. The Hospital should have numerous safeguards. How the hell did they get a whole bed into that room without someone saying whoa?
Unbelievable. I was regularly taking patients to the MRI, the rules were so strict! This is incomprehensible to me
The fact that you are surprised by this scares me! The truth a lot of places aren't looking for skill (or intelligence) these days. They are just looking for bodies. I bet if you were in charge of training these people, none of them would have jobs. Because you and your co workers were trained properly. I doubt these people were.
@@marshallarnold-ep7nnit also depends on the hospital structure...my uncle suffered a neck crack and was paralyzed. He did surgery and was fine, but he almost died a few times due to bad saftey measures when using the ventilator and badly installing the abdomen feeding tube..it was Hell for him and it still is...he has uranary issues and needs surgery. I told my mom that the hospital did more damage than his neck fracture ever did.
$18000 only? They should be fined more. More like $1.8 million or $18 million. And they cannot claim tax breaks on the fines.
Exactly
The civil suit will get them for more, but, yes, they should definitely pay a higher fine. Unfortunately, that means they try harder to cover up the minor injuries and accidents. Profiteering is the cancer of the healthcare system.
I had an mri at a hospital ER in modesto and they were on their game! The mri is kept outside in a separate building and wheel chair I was brought out there in was left outside. Team of two people made sure no metal went in there and they asked me if I had any metal in me prior to mri. Kudos to them! Hope the nurse recovers fully.
My experience getting an MRI was like yours, but that it what it's supposed to be
What the hell is this situation?
Last time I had an MRI I flippantly mentioned I had once had a possible metal sliver in my eye from about 15 years earlier.
It was actually not metal, instead it was a cornea scratch, but my mere mention was nearly enough to cancel the procedure. Once I confirmed the true condition they let me continue.
Now I’m really thinking differently about why they were so set to cancel it. They even told me body piercings might be a problem.
After watching this I believe that pierced nipples etc could result in rapid flesh tearing occurrences actually being a thing!
There was an absolutely horrific Reddit medical story from a while back about a patient who didn’t remember he had been shot in the head with a BB gun as a child. The mri dragged it through his brain. That was just the start of the whole situation but he didn’t make it. Thank goodness for their caution.
@@ariadne0w1 I thought BBs were made of copper, which made me think your comment was wrong. But it seems the ones from my youth were copper coated steel.
Which as I’m thinking about it, I think I recall using a magnet to assist with loading because dropping them meant having to gather them up.
A BB embedded in the skull seems unlikely, but being still under the skin on some fleshy area is viable. While maybe not a deadly instantaneously horrific event, a sudden violent reverse bullet wound could be traumatic to say the least!
If it was in the bone! Holy hell that’s a very different story
@@STV-H4H It's a reddit story so I can't vouch for the veracity, but it wasn't instant.I think it was in the skull to begin with, or even the brain just barely because of the exact right/wrong angle. Nasty story. Can't remember the details but I think with the brain damage and everything he was unexpectedly irascible and ran off on the medical team. They found him hours later in a supply closet where he had somehow managed to do himself a grievous injury and between the brain damage and the blood loss, died before they could even try to treat him.
@@STV-H4H copper coated steel ball bearing, which is what the BB stands for, ball bearing.
Think of an MRI as an angry god that's super grabby on anything that likes magnets. Simplest way of thinking of it. Where a screwdriver can trivially kill you from across the room. None of that Hollywood guiding it or wrestling with it, it's going, period, end of story.
Kaiser in Oakland charged me for X-Rays, doctors evaluations, and extra services that I did not receive when I went to urgent care to get checked from a motorcycle accident. My co-worker insisted that I go to hospital and he dropped me off, even though I only had bruises and scrapes. I was only checked by a nurse and all she did was put bandages and I was released. There were no x-rays or doctors.
Me and other people I know have had horrible experiences at the Oakland location
@@lkd06 Yeah. This was awhile back and the bill is no longer on my credit report. I’m in SF now but feel that all of Kaiser pretty much operates as a business.
You were lucky, but this woman wasn’t.
Kaiser in Oakland was terrible, a friend who's spouse had Kaiser had a lot of trouble with the pharmacy getting his/her scripts filled delays, mix ups. Around the last six years before I left my old job, the company switched to Kaiser. I went to their clinics a few times. And used the Delta/Dental Plan with my dentist.
Yeah but what place in Oakland is less terrible?
kaiser is horrible. absolutely awful. they drugged me up and sent me on the road and caused a car accident. absolutely negligent. my mom worked there for 20 years and had a tumor in her spinal cord, went completely immobile before they did an mri... 4 years of complaining about the pain, they finally saw took the tumor out because it was an emergency that cut off her blood flow. was disgraceful.
they forced you on the road drugged up or you CHOSE do drive drugged up?
Medical centers need to support patient transportation home by providing adequate services such as as authorized drivers for uber, lyft, and public transit are not allowed due to antitheses drug legalities which prevents access to care even when surgeries are scheduled for they require a driver that's not a taxi. There is a corporate ride service, but you're looking at $200 or more dollars out of pocket for a 20 minute ride home by someone that doesn't speak English that probably isn't even in country legally. Luckily Veterans Affairs case manager drove me home when I had surgery twice for I haven't any close loved ones to lean on in a time of need.
how did they force you on the road, im not saying they are great but how is it their fault that YOU got on the road being drugged
@@WarriorVinyard they medicated us as we left an out patient facility, knowing people were driving etc. you were required to take the meds on site, i requested to take mine when i got home throughtout the whole program and was denied repeatedly.
The worst
Why are they barely reporting on this now? Tell us right away! 🤦🏻♀️
Coverup, same with the Covid vaccines
This happened 8 months ago, and it just made the news??!! 🤔 KP needed plenty of time to do damage control, have their attorneys set up a defense denying liability and targeting a "scapegoat" to take the fall!
There's going to be a huge lawsuit and payout, and KP will go to any lengths to avoid responsibility.
MSM
This has been around since it happened. I don't know if you live under a rock.
They get hush money behind the scene; NDA, “we will give you money this much, but you can’t ever disclose or report anything of what happened to anyone and wave rights to sue”. Yes they get money. This happened to their employee on the other hand so the nurse probably had to fight to get her wage covered and her lawyer reported to the authorities. That’s why it’s in the public media. But I bet this had happened hundreds of times in the past decade. This hospital needs to be investigated period. It must be grossly negligent for this to come out to the public.
I toured a hospital as an elementary school student in Asia, the Dr responsible for giving us the tour showed us the sheer strength of the MRI machine from the door (not even multiple corridors) by holding up keys, tightly, in his hands as we watched the keys sway towards the MRI machine.
I'm quickly on my way to 50 years old. Unacceptable.
Its important that we all try to stay healthy and avoid hospitals as much as possible.
Given the gun culture of the US you cannot just choose to stay healthy.
@@teeanahera8949 Its important that we all try to stay healthy and avoid getting shot as much as possible
Amen 🙌🙏
Haven't had a need to go to a hospital or see a doctor in decades thankfully.
@@DemonicAkumi amen. That is a blessing. But can I ask you a serious question. What is the reason you call yourself a demon?
I always knew these machines were dangerous.
Lack of training can kill .
yes
A large portion of medical equipment is dangerous when proper safety precautions are not used.
@@crystalbutterfly4812👍more lack of perception from both ends
this is lack of competence. a child can operate a such a machine
@@ArmedandDangerous918it's your type of thinking that causes negligence this is a job for professionals not morons or children
I didn't know I was claustrophobic until I was put in an MRI machine. 16 years later, I finally feel justified. Hope the lady heals quick.
Imagine getting a these almost yearly to monitor disease.
@@theadventurekidz-scienceho843 This is something that should have never happened though. That bed should have never even entered the same room as the machine, and multiple layers of safety were skipped. Any medical device can kill you with enough negligence involved, and this was absolutely atrocious. MRIs are safe as long as basic procedures are followed
Huh
Ct scans are pretty creepy too
I'm very claustrophobic. I had my first MRI a few months ago. I was doing fine the tech kept checking in on me. I guess I was a pro because he stopped checking in.. the last test felt like 20 mins. He wasn't reassuring me that we were almost done. I started silently going crazy thinking the machine would slowly close around me... I held on for dear life and finally made it through.. don't know if I could do it again
I was once told I was ok not removing jewelry since it was only my knee getting the MRI…now I know this was BS. As a patient you are on your own nowadays…look out for yourself and don’t let them rush you!
Gold/Silver are not magnetic... but the clasps who knows if it is magnetic or not.
Depends what the jewellery is made of. Aka, don't take any chances. Just take it off. Had my first MRI last week. Never been in one so the natural thing to do is to google it and people's experiences with it. Didn't take me long to find out about how dangerous it could be because of the magnetic force. So i made sure to find out if my permanent braces would be an issue beforehand, and made sure to only wear clothing of just cloth. No buckles, zippers, buttons, nothing. It baffles me how many just don't do research even tho they have a smart device glued to their hand all day.
Unfortunately protocol varies between institutions but generally wedding rings/simple earrings, facial studs are "safe" to wear if the lower body is being scanned. Especially if it is titanium, surgical steel, gold, or silver. The greatest danger of wearing jewelry in an MRI scanner is not torque nor it flying into the machine but rather it causing burns from the radiofrequency. It is not likely to happen if the jewelry is not near the center of the scanner but it is best practice to remove all metal items on the body.
It’s not BS, depending on the kind of jewelry. Small earrings for example are usually okay. I work on ICU and often have to go into the MRI room with patients
Having worked back in 2000 -2004 with MRI’s ..
what the hell!! There were strict procedures back then. Kaiser either allowed laziness or a 3rd party involved got lazy. And an 18 thousand dollar fine is chump change for them.
It really is nothing. They aren't going to change procedures and make improvements for a measly $18,000 fine.
That’s just the fine. Wait for the civil lawsuit from that nurse! Those doors are supposed to be inaccessible because that magnet can literally kill people who aren’t prepared.
there is something suspicious. there are multiple physical barriers to get through in order to get the bed in the same room... as well as warning signage. almost all facilities as well, the various entrances are all offset to each other.... there is no direct line of sight from zone 1 to zone 4.
@@xisotopexit's definitely surprising regardless of facility, but many built prior to having zoning in mind for MRI dont often fit the recommendations of a post MRI hospital, which certainly leads to these incidents becoming increasingly likely
I was a nurse for 7 years. We are trained on MRI safety. And any nurse should know that a patient bed is loaded with ferromagnetic materials! NO WAY would I push a patient bed into an MRI room!!!
I know nothing about healthcare and even I know MRI and metal is a no no
How can you miss that? Smh🤦♀️🤷♀️🙅♀️
I am a MRI tech and so many rns and resp say that they only think magnet is on when it is making noise
@@mindys1198I work in the lab and I was taught that it is ALWAYS on, and is only turned off when it needs service or something has gotten stuck in it, which costs 10k for the hospital to service after an accident. This should’ve never happened if the employees we’re following policies.
Why’d you quit?
I worked as a field service engineer for a few years on CT's. While I can't speak for the MRI, the CT's would scare some people if they knew what was going on inside that big machine. Super heavy components spinning around you, inches from your body.
No worries 🤟
Oh wow...try working literally 2 feet away from a 60 inch circular headsaw...
I don't play with those either. The tech always say u can stay “naw I'm good”
No emergency stop on those machines either. Magnetic fields are multiple Tesla. Shutting down the machine instantly would cause the machine to effectively explode.
@@Jesse5111I always said that being inside one while it’s running is like being buried in a lighted coffin on a construction site with a jackhammer running a couple of feet from your head. I highly recommend self-hypnosis training before getting an MRI! I actually managed to get myself to fall asleep for a minute or two inside one once.
$18,000 in fines is cheaper than doing all that crap to be safe...it's simple business math.
As a patient having had numerous MRI exams at multiple facilities over the years, this is alarming. I’ve never thought of this type of potential danger and risk involved if procedures are not followed. Interesting.
How would you not know that MRIs have magnets in them after numerous scans???
@@daphnea5447 Haha a bit condescending, but in response, you might reconsider my comment.
@@daphnea5447 just because a patient gets a MRI either once or more than once , that does not mean they will understand how exactly it works or how strong of a magnet it actually is or even be told anything about a magnet . your comment is much too assuming .
The machine can be dangerous, but so can the contrast dye. some people have adverse reactions to the dye, causing kidney injury. I have been on dialysis ever since my 3rd contrast MRI. the bad thing is, you don't know if you are going to have a reaction until you do, and then it is often too late.
@@marleonetti7 Thank you for your comment. Betting the vast majority of the general public and certainly those who’ve had an MRI, understand significant magnetic fields are involved, hence its name and the numerous questionnaires and verbal discussions prior to exams; however, the potential for incredibly catastrophic results if procedures aren't followed and shown here is most interesting. Every staff I've dealt with has been very professional and seemingly goes beyond the call. And yep, I appreciate the care and competence demonstrated by my medical professionals and do make a point to thank them. It's complicated work and has significant responsibilities.
It really is INSANE how many warning signs, labels, and protocols are plastered around these rooms and get completely ignored by staff. Utterly inane somehow people still managed to use their worst judgement having severe bodily harm and death be the result of their laxity.
That is the problem: TOO MANY SIGNS and you become sign saturated. Open the manual of any appliance and count how many 'DON'T' pages. Much of this is Lawyer CYA, but the bottom line is the reeely important one got overlooked.
You should worry more about the fact that the leading Prof. of Engineering at UC Berkeley contradicted the state engineer by stating that both the Gooldengate and Bay bridges are unsafe.
loss of life is the only thing that will make logic jump to the forefront of your mind in regard of protocols, safety and just overall caution. until they have a story of someone unfortunately passing included in the "training" no one will listen. and they become complacent. you can see this phenomena everywhere and at every level in out current society. someone said the term this week to me and i already forgot it. but they have a term for it. Basically people arent cautious only because it hasnt happened yet, so they dont put in place barriers to stop it from happening, to them its an expense rather than an investment. You know the dangerous street that never had any stop signs or traffic lights, and everyone in town told you to pay attention to. it only gets a light or fixed up AFTER someone unfortunately passes. the city wont think its important until then. reactive, never proactive. prevention is the best cure.
It's as if people don't intuitively understand how a giant permanent magnet reacts to metal in the vicinity of it. Even the popular TV series, Breaking Bad, did an episode referencing the power of a magnetic field. And many people have played with powerful NdFeB magnets that can crush limbs at worst and draw blood in the smallest cases of them coming together on skin. The MRI has permanent magnets that cannot be "shut off" so it makes these incidents pretty horrific. Removing the bed in this incident would have been extremely painful and even more damaging to the nurse's body. You generally have to slide the magnet from the metal, because pulling it apart takes a lot of force.
@@paulsaulpaulThere is a way to “turn off” the MRI magnets, but it’s expensive and can damage the equipment. The magnets are superconducting and stay at very, very cold temperatures whether the machine is running or not. If the magnets are allowed to warm up, they lose their incredible strength until they’re supercooled again. If there is no immediate danger to anyone, they let it warm up slowly. If a person is trapped, they have to quench it, which means rapidly warming the magnets. The rapid and uneven thermal expansion can cause damage, so it’s only done in emergencies.
The patient should have been transferred to MRI stretcher prior to entering MRI Suite.
As an ICU nurse for 47 years & taking patients to MRIs for almost 4 decades,
I am horrified that any nurse even a new nurse would make that mistake.
Before in wall o2 & o2 tanks MRI certified, tanks would fly into scanners.
Before MRI ventilators, pts could not go despite some emergent needs.
Agreed, it should probably be a whole semester class in nursing school about the hazards associated with all the various equipment used in the hospital these days to be reemphasized every year in the annual competency class by the regular nursing staff, whether they are inpatient or outpatient.
@zombieapocalypse3837 right! We all know there's some useless stuff that could be replaced by something as important as that.
Is it true that a person with metal dental implant cannot take the MRI?
@@simon6071I have the same question
@@simon6071 Depends on if it's ferrous metal. The MR tech should go over this with you. Any shrapnel, any surgical clips (prob titanium), any implants, any devices such pacemakers or other, any rods, etc. Ask them.
I used to be employed as an MRI Tech. One of the hospitals I worked at had horrible safety procedures. Completely against guidelines. There were times they would scan MR Unsafe implants without supervision from a physicist or MRSO. I told the supervisor about all this and was told to stay quiet. I then quit the job and notified both the state of Michigan as well as the joint commission. Absolutely nothing happened and they are still scanning today.
So it wasn't an 'accident'.
It was incompetence and negligence.
Huge difference!
The only place where Fire and EMT don’t show up when there’s an accident
Not surprised it is Kiaser. They no doubt threatened staff to cover it up. Management did not call OASHA. I was a whistle-blower against Kaiser for a serious issue. Kaiser excuse is their standard excuse.
Sadly, these MRI acts of carelessness is a Nationwide Issue, Kaiser or Not! Please read my comment of a 6-year-old boy killed at a New York area Hospital, in 2001. Thank you.
Wasnt there a simple sign saying no beds near the machine as these will be sucked into the machine. This simple 8-minute news video should be shown to all hospital workers.
Now a days they will hire just about anyone to work in a medical office or hospital. My jaw drops every time I see how employees are allowed to dress, talk and act while working with the public/patients. It’s definitely not like it used to be where you had to speak properly, dress appropriately and act civil, SMH 🤦🏻♀️
Nurses doing TikToks…
I don't give a single crap how people dress, I care if they're good at their job or not. If anything ruined society, it was boomer tone policing pretending to be a meritocracy
They dress like they are going to the party specially the young!
@@eleanapshock9016Yeah I agree these youngsters lack common sense. They think they can dress inappropriately and they don’t even know what it means. It’s all about “me me me” and they’re just not great at what they do either. They’re also quite disrespectful to people with much more experience, rebellious even. These are also isolated individuals, they often lack morals big time.
@@KittenBowl1 Walt Disney called your generation the "teenager problem" and thought it was so bad that he tried to build an Orwellian glass dome city to keep you out. How 'rebellious and lacking morals' must someone be to irreconcilably piss off _Walt Disney_? Do you think dressing differently would have made him like the generation, or was it more the attitude of impossible entitlement and abuse?
$18,000 fine? What a joke.
Yeah, if it was a small business it might mean something, but for a $25B+ corporation it's nothing to care about. At least fine them a percentage of their net income.
This is where big lawsuits are the only way to force a change.
@@ryanlandry8214 yeah, but that corporation paid off lobbyists to get fines eroded to meaninglessness, penalties driven down to no punitive value and torts virtually eliminated.
There was a young man named Finnegan, who broke out of the jail just to sinagain. So foul were his crimes, that in next to no time, the jail that he broke out of he's inagain.
they work with the regulators; make you go through mediators and limit the time length you can sue once you find out they are negligent; believe even a cap on how much you can sue for.
I had a terrible experience with a shoulder MRI at Kaiser about 15 years ago. . There was only one person helping me. He was almost silent. I told him I was in great deal of pain and had never had an MRI before, hadn’t slept, slightly claustrophobic, and prone to hot flashes. He just shrugged. He said here is a panic button for you but don’t worry I’ll come back in a few minutes to check on you. They told to me that it was an open MRI but there’s was only a slit. I had waited for more than a year to get the MRI. He positioned my arm in a way I was in agony. I decided to tough it out. Well tech never came back in . I was trying to be still but I had to to some deep breathing. He left me in there for an hour. I was in tears when he finally came back. I said why didn’t you come back and check on me? He said he kept trying to get a good image and keep repeating the MRI. He acted as though he had never done one before.
Now I am severely claustrophobic and I will never get another one unless sedated.
You should have talked to a lawyer.
You should have been medicated for pain and anxiety prior to leaving for the MRI (inpatient) you won't have an RN accompany you if you are not on telemetry or from ICU; I don't know what happens when it's outpatient, generally there won't be an RN present just the MRI tech and assistant. MRIs can be quite long, anywhere from 15 minutes to 90 minutes of laying very still.
That’s a terrible awful experience. But there’s no need to make it last a lifetime. phobias are acquired and can be unacquired. Seek qualified counselling
I’m not surprised by your experience unfortunately. It seems like healthcare workers are more careless for whatever reason. The quality of staff is worse.
@@M_SC🤷🏼♀️tf?
Oh my goodness. Rest peacefully. Thank you for all the lives you saved.
When I was studying physics at university, we visited Philips Medical Systems' MRI facilities one day. When entering the MRI room, everyone had to go through a metal detector. As we approached the machine, one of my fellow students suddenly felt his shoes being pulled to the machine with great force. It turned out that he was wearing shoes with steel toe caps that had been missed by the metal detector. Luckily, he was able to pull away from the machine before he was pulled into it.
This happened to me also, my foot was dragged to the edge of the machine with some force.
Yup. I work with installation/decommissioning of medical equipment, including CTs and MRIs. MRIs are scary beasts and you need to be careful around them. Our work shoes have toe caps of either titanium or carbon fiber, all our tools are made of non-magnetic titanium etc. I wear glasses, they need to be titanium framed with titanium screws. You do not want to mess around with MRIs.
It’s true I’m the MRI machine
Reading above about how MRI installers use titanium screws for their eyeglass is so interesting. Seeing how these machines are delivered to hospitals and installed would be so educational.
I was wondering why metal detectors weren't standard in hospital settings. Obviously they're not 100% as evidenced by your anecdote, but they'd catch more potential issues than not.
Kaiser need to stop hiring people that do drugs before work
or during work
I am not a Kaiser member anymore and I can't tell you the relief
What if they need to do drugs to make it through the long hard shift of working?
@@mikewhocheeseharry5292 they can get fired
@@mikewhocheeseharry5292 it's not about them, it's about the patients
I've lost track of how many MRIs I've had, but the staff was always thorough about safety, so I've never had reason to be nervous. How these people screwed up this bad, I find hard to understand--it isn't at all difficult to get right. Last one I had was at OSF's teaching hospital in Peoria, just a few months ago. I'm very pleased OSF took over the hospital I've gone to most of my life...they're running it better than any of the previous owners. The other hospital we have here, I wouldn't be caught dead in...I wouldn't trust them to put a band-aid on me.
OSF is wonderful! I don't know if you're in Illinois, but I loved them in Rockford.
It sounds like this incident happened due to multiple failures by multiple people at various stages.
Lack of proper safety training, failure to test the door alarm annually as recommended, Overall the facility’s own safety protocols/guidelines weren’t followed.
Definitely sounds like in this facility it wasn’t a matter of *if* an incident was going to happen , but *when*
Why would you have so many?
I'm also from Peoria, I was CNA for 16 years and worked at OSF on Neuro for 4 years. I agree, I only have Doctors that are within the OSF Group and would never go to Methodist now Carle Health or Proctor.
@@ravenc4912I’ve had so many I couldn’t even count. Cancer was my reasoning. Not that you need to know my personal medical. It’s rude to ask people that in such a manner, when you don’t even know them.
$18,000 fine? Chump change to a hospital.
There are marking on the floor to let staff know where the magnetic flux lines are. Everyone is trained that works in the MRI to not let any magnetic materiel pass the line.
Training without company culture is useless
Yep! Insane someone just walks past that
The nurse wasn’t part of the MRI team. The door was left open for anyone to wander in. That area should be closed off unless there is an MRI tech present.
Proof that there are a lot of people acting as professionals that are just passing the buck, not paying attention, and don't understand how things work.
Oh so this is why they are raising premiums 29% in 2024??? Gotta have $ for the lawsuits.
An $18,000 fine is a slap on the wrist. That’s easily the cost of just one or two patients
This is terrifying! Everyone needs to hear this!!! Pass it on, with more and more inexperienced workers being hired in positions like this, we could be next!
They won’t listen. Places like San Fran Stupid are more interested in “equity” than common sense
It’s not always about inexperienced, every field needs new recruits. It’s about proper training that isn’t occurring. Stop putting the blame on the little guys and blame the money hungry who aren’t doing their part.
😂😂😂We?
@@johnnyjericho8472read the second half of their comment
I mean you always act with caution. That way you dont fuck up. They have intercom locks on mri rooms in NHS trusts im sure shits happened but this is crazy. Did they have any standards
There was another incident where prisoner was put in the machine with hand cluffs on.
And one was a female prisoner. They took the cuffs off but left the belly chain on. The sheriffs dept. even asked the MRI technician if that should be removed and she said that she thought it would be alright to stay on. Sheesh
I think that incident was in Arizona. One of my friend is a nurse and she had to go with a sick premature infant for a MRI. The MRI team also screened her as well as the infant. She forgot that she had a bobbie pin in her hair. She said she felt it being pulled. Thankfully, they were not yet in the final zone for clearance.
Wasn't the cop stuck to the machine also because of his gun?
Heard that when the deputy tried help the prisoner stuck to machine, he become stuck also and gun also.
Whoa.....full education right here on comment section. No thanks for having an MRI.
I thought it was common knowledge that beds don't go in the mri room
Common knowledge for whom? All hospital staff? I don't work in the medical field and I had never heard that.
yes hospital staff. anyone who brings patients to mri@@joralemonvirgincreche
I had a wrist brace on for carpal tunnel support that appeared not to have any metal in it, and the technician said it should be fine. When the technician went into the other room to push the buttons to activate the MRI, my body retracted into the machine and the MRI started doing its thing, my entire arm was lifted off my body about midway center of the MRI's cylinder and held there with a great deal of force as the MRI started whirring. I couldn't move my arm down back to a resting position from the magnetic force. I pressed the panic button, and the dude came and got the wrist brace from me. No harm done, but that magnetic force is pretty incredible.
I used to have MRIs every week. Im so fortunate something like this never happened to me.
Why every week? That's a lot! Isn't that a lot and ton of radiation and not healthy? Why could you have so many?
It’s super rare. It’s super stupid people who don’t follow protocol and get metal in the room despite sign after sign saying don’t bring in metal.
I am a neurology/epilepsy patient, so MRIs are a regular thing for me. I am also an electronic musician, so when I go in, I hear the different sounds coinciding and then moving apart, and I hear the different pitches as harmonics of each other, it forms a kind of machine music to me. Last time, I was so focused on it that when it ended I said, "it's over?" and they said, "what, you want more?". I explained how I listened and they said, "well, this is definitely a first!". I am also a DJ at a free-form radio station and I explained that sometimes you'll hear stuff as weird as that on the air late at night... going in next week for another one...
I remember thinking the noises sounded like a minimalist piece!
@@sofiadimaggio4815 exactly! I am an electronic musician, bleeps and zings and thumps are part of my everyday world.
What if I have metal in my teeth? How would that work?
@@sofiabravo1994no. Worries, they don't use iron for teeth. 😊
At some point in everybody’s life YOU WILL NEED an MRI or CT scan. Talk to medical personnel before you have this test about their safety protocols.
I've had both. Several MRI scans in fact and a couple of CT scans. No problems whatsoever. 100s of thousands of scans are done each day and done without incident.
Ive had both i hate MRI im extremely claustrophobic
CT scanners aren't magnetic. They are xrays that create a 3D image.
Could stainless steel, brass or aluminum be a better material for doors and beds
Healthcare is extremely dangerous to people's health.
Yes, and considering how many crazy nurses there are it’s just pathetic. I’m not talking about the one in the article, I just have personal experience with a lot of women that are completely insane that become nurses.
No offense to the good ones though. 😊
That's because the term, "Healthcare" is an oxymoron. There is no profit, in keeping one healthy.
My mother was an LPN that worked for a short time in a Catholic owned hospital. She said it was no place for a sick person and if you have to go to a hospital, leave as quickly as you can. Her motto was that hospitals will either cure you or kill you.
Yes it is. Couldn't have said it better. I retired in 2015 from healthcare and rarely go to a doctor. Stay healthy people.
My younger sister was misdiagnosed for a year... She had a BABY'S HEAD SIZED VISIBLE mass on her right side They told her it was a lipoma and put her complaints of pain away to drug seeking.. There was a blood test that can be used to identify ovarian cancer called CA 125 but they didn't want to do it because of false positives. When her abdomen started ballooning they began to realize their mistake because her CA125 was close to 1400 and normal is under 35. The fluid in her abdomen was full of cancer cells. They didn't treat the fluid with chemo to kill the cells but instead they operated on her so that any cut surface exposed to the cancer filled fluid allowed the cells to invade every part of her body. She had to have her ballooning stomach drained 3 times so that she could breathe.. She died less that a year after they finally Dx'd her... I remember her asking me if she were going to die.. I said I would do everything I could to prevent it.. I did that and she had 2.5 months of living at home under my care after their hospice said she wouldn't last the week.
I’m so sorry
@@M_SC kaiser... misdiagnosed my younger sister... and I had 2 brothers who were kaiser patients and died 9 months apart of heart defects that could have/should have been detected at the physicals they had to take for work. I wouldn't send my worst enemy to kaiser.
EMT here- my company used to transfer patients from hospitals to their homes, nursing homes, other hospitals, etc... KP Redwood always pissed me and my coworkers off. We serviced every kaiser facility in the bay and Kaiser Redwood was always the worst hospital when it came to patient pickups. In the emergency room we would frequently get incorrect paperwork for different admitted patients (major HIPPA violation), in the medical floors, most nurses didnt even know how to print out the correct form of paperwork. Every time we picked up a patient who had a "Do Not Resuscitate" form, we would get pissed because almost every nurse there would tell us we didnt need that form. 9 times out of 10 when we won that arguement, no nurse on that floor could locate the form signed by the patient and doctor saying we shouldnt start CPR on them. If you dont have that form you must do CPR on that patient. It was always a constant battle with the nurses at KP Redwood, and it's sad because it's mostly due to the lack of training there. My coworker had a patient die in his ambulance and they only had a form saying the patient had a DNR on file, but wasnt the actual signed form because KPR lost the original and couldn't produce a digital copy. My coworker almost lost his license to practice medicine for that because it was so normal to not have a DNR at Kaiser Redwood.
EliteXSoldier, Please read my comment about the 6-year-old boy killed by an oxygen tank carelessly brought into the MRI area; and it was at a Non-Kaiser facility, in New York, 2001!
LOL. imagine blaming your job's poor practices for losing a license and having someone die in your care.
@lolwtnick4362 Patient was on hospice and was on her last few breaths. Even though patient had weak labored breathing the hospital staff gave her morphine for the 30 minute trip home. If you put 2 and 2 together morphine is a depressant. There is no care we could have done to result in the death of that patient, since we can't administer prescription medication. All we do for DNR patients is get them comfortable, talk to them for the ride, assess vitals, and document. Don't blame my coworkers for having a patient die in our ambulance for something we didn't do, he almost lost his license because kaiser lost a form saying to not resuscitate him. With or without that form the world goes round' and we have to transport that patient regardless.
@@frankpeck1448Kaiser isn’t the only facility to royally screw up.
I have heard bad things about Kaiser at every level of healthcare, but one thing they do excel at is compensation for their management and CEO's....
You know Kaiser still sent the patient bill out for an MRI 😂
I just had a MRI at Kaiser and had no idea they had issues with being unsafe. I felt pretty safe during my appointment, now I know why there are so many little rooms before you go in 😅
Run! Change your insurance if you could! They are the worse
They almost killed me. Put me in a coma 27 years ago. Like the other person said RUN FAR AWAY!
How terrible. I hope the nurse and the patient have fully recovered. I only go into a stand up open MRI. Those tubes are way to scary.
I didn't know there are stand up MRIs.. I've only been once and that was very traumatic, I cannot go again.
Being someone with health issues that require hospital testing, I have seen the negligence with my own eyes and stopped having yearly tests done out of fear for my safety. Thing is, when something does go wrong, they laugh it off like it's no big deal which makes me even more nervous.
I hope you reported the errors - not to get people in trouble but because if things aren’t reported, then they can continue happening or be swept under the carpet. Especially if people brush it off at the time.
IF YOU HAPPEN TO TELL THE STAFF YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE HAZARD GOING ON , THEY GIVE YOU THAT LOOK LIKE, "I CAN'T BELEIVE SHE JUST SAID THAT". SHE IS A KAREN!!!
I was supposed to have my shoulder checked out in the MRI Machine but a small voice kept telling me not to have it done, besides I'm claustrophobic! And I will NEVER! Put myself in the position of being closed in deliberately or otherwise. Wow! I'm happy that I followed my first mind. 😱
I used to work in the Safety/Security Department of a large hospital in Houston. Once we responded to a call from the MRI area and ended up having to pull a wheelchair off the machine. The patient should have been transferred into a non-ferrous wheelchair prior to entry, but someone screwed up and left him in a regular wheelchair. Fortunately the patient wasn't injured.
The hospital I worked at were VERY careful with their MRI machine, and the techs would “check every box” to make sure that everyone was safe to go into the MRI room! Adding more “oversight” or rules won’t help, because obviously they didn’t follow even current rules for this to happen. Either people had gotten complacent about MRI safety and didn’t follow MRI rules, they were grossly understaffed and distracted, or they were undertrained in MRI safety.
All hospitals are grossly understaffed and workers are stressed to the max. Not good for patient care.
LoL, "Kaiser is now facing an $18000 fine" which is nothing more than pocket change compared to the lawsuit the nurse will most likely bring against them.
I'd bet the patient files suit as well.
"And now there are claims that lack of oversight is putting patients at risk..."
... wow, imagine that.
They dont care about peoples health, just the $$$ boiiiii
Words can't express how horrifying this is to me .
I've worked in Hospital Supply Chain and worked closely with MRI techs and even within zone 2 (Zone 3 is the machine itself) after it was renovated. The techs made sure that I never went close to the Zone 3 door, and they were serious about it. Every time I was in the area, I could hear them going over a checklist with each patient, screening for metals. Nurses weren't even allowed anywhere but the hallway outside and in Zone 1 (control room). Anytime I was in Zone 2, I had to leave my badge, keys, scanners, phone, etc in Zone 1. What seems like common sense to me was surprisingly absent here and that just blows my mind.
2:33 _Colombini v. Westchester County Health Care Corp._ is a tragic case involving the 2001 death of a six year old boy. Michael Colombini was at the hospital undergoing magnetic resonance imaging when he was struck by an oxygen tank as he lay inside the MRI machine. He died from his injuries 53 hours later. Bearing full responsibility, Westchester County Health Care Corp. (the formal name of Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, New York) had agreed in 2010 to pay $2,900,000.
😭 No money would make up for the tragic avoidable loss of a child.
I remember the story vividly very well to this day. It was so heartbreaking when it happened and I can't believe that it killed that little boy. Over 20 years ago, wow. His accident unfortunately plays in my head whenever I do a MRI and I'm always cautious by looking around in the room to see if anything is left in the room such as an oxygen tank or anything that can, God forbid, cause a horrible situation again.
It is so sad that it happened to that little boy. I feel for the family and that hospital should have given them a lot more than what was awarded to them since it took years later.
Railroaders have a saying "Safety rules are written in blood". Same here.
@@wiiildfire That goes without saying.
The settlement only ends the litigation process.
I remember this case. So tragic and preventable.
The nurse is #1 because she talked about her experience. The whole world got the visual message.👍