Best Battery System for RV - AGM vs LifePo4
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2021
- In this video we talk about picking the best battery system for your RV/camper trailer. LifePo4 is not the way to go for most. The best battery system for an RV is one that fits the trailer AND your energy needs without overspending and creating headaches. This video was made to help get you there! Thanks for watching!
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How do you not have more subscribers?! Your videos are so much more comprehensive and your ability to explain things for everyone to understand is so much better than other youtubers. Keep the fantastic content coming!
Thanks Craig, we’re only 100 days old or so! You’re just first to the party, we got this, spread the word!
I’ve been wondering that for awhile. I’ve been subscribed for awhile now and consistently stalk this channel for information (just watched newest video to be honest lol) because I plan to build a teardrop this summer. Hopefully!
I've watched a ton of RV battery videos....this is hands down the best laid out and informative out there!
Seriously!
NO KIDDING!!!
I was very close to upgrading to a Lithium battery and decided to hold off. Glad I did. The cheapest solution and probably the most reliable is to just use a small camping generator like WEN or Yamaha when you need power. They also generate enough to power AC. They're quiet and not too expensive. Another battery or two in parallel if more power is needed for overnight and youll keep costs down.
Great video btw!
Thanks so much for watching!
I've never subscribed to a channel faster than just now. No fluff. All facts. Presented in a very clear speech that even I can understand. You are breath of fresh air on YT! I look forward to learning more from you. Thank you!!
What a nice comment, thank you! I'm really happy that you hopped on board! - Brian
I just came across your channel because I’m a 3rd year RV newbie and I’m researching upgrading for this upcoming camping season of 2024. This is how I came across your channel searching for information so I can make an educated decision. Man did you drop a lot of information in my lap that I’m still trying to digest because this is all brand new to me and I know nothing about it. I really thank you for your time and effort with educating the uneducated like myself when it comes to this field. I will be watching some more of your videos and really hope you have time to respond to a few questions that I have for you because I plan on upgrading my battery system and adding some portable solar panels.
Welcome to the channel, thanks for coming aboard! Feel free to reach out anytime, I'm happy to answer questions if I can.
I’ve done a bunch of research but never heard a lot of the lithium short comings you discussed here. Bravo. Love your in depth reviews and the high level of knowledge you bring to the discussion.
Thank you for that. Lithium is an incredible way to go if you spend the money and set it up right, half measures won’t get you there. Thanks for watching!
I found this incredibly educational Brian! Once again 20 minutes of my life were worth it watching you. I am just starting to learn about solar and batteries as I mentioned before just got yeti1500x. My friend has a pop up camper and I shared this video with him since he's building his own power system in it. Love your work, keep it up!
I appreciate that a lot. Im sure people are turned away by the length, I’m trying to go as quickly as I can. Thanks for tuning in and supporting the channel!
@@DIYOutdoorLife Personally I like the length and detail. I know you joke about it during the videos but I'm a fan!
Then you’re my target audience 😀 You can’t get into the real stuff with just sound bites and “top 10” videos”. Thanks again for tuning in!
(You might also think) he wants you to buy 600$ in agm batteries every 2-6 years on his affiliate links… Do the math, Agm are terrible!
edited to be more fair
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Hey Pro C, happy to see you back! YT deleted your comments before I could respond. I think it's bc you left so many it thought it was spam.
Couple things here that I hope we could discuss with math.
The affiliate $ is on 1 lithium battery is more than it is 10 AGM. I'm trying to help, not make money.
AGM lasts 6-8 years in the way I recommended, 2 yr is crazy. I'm not sure you understand the argument being made but you do have a lot of opinions. I make a living building LiFePo4, I probably handle more in a week than you've seen in you life. I'm not against them at all. For the loads and durations of the average RV set up, an AGM is an excellent option to keep the build price low with great performance. The $600 number you keep referencing, that's dual 6v 225ah top of the line, most spend $200 w/o needing ANY charging gear upgrades.... referencing a smaller Chins, w/o low temp cut off, no DCDC protection, being charged to 80% by WFCO is not a very smart argument.
I'm happy to discuss these things, I install LifePO daily, love those options as well but facts and experience is important.
This video is worth the price of membership 100 times over. So useful to get experienced information on camping trailer specific use cases that aren't coming from someone who is trying to sell you a product. I decided to got with a two 225 AGM ah 6 volt in series and spend the leftover money on some CIGS solar panels that form fit on top of my teardrop.
I really appreciate you joining the membership. It helps support us making videos and keeping the channel going. Happy camping!
I am on the second of your videos dealing with battery and solar. I am learning so much and feel that you can be trusted because you hold no punches. You are helping me decide on the system I will need for the trailer I am about to get. Thank you so much!
Stay safe and God bless.
Thank you, it means a lot that you're tuning into all the old videos and checking them out! Thanks,
Brian
Absolutely loved the video. I too used to think I needed a Lithium-ion battery upgrade. I wasn’t aware of the different components in making that change from AGM. Your logic of saving your money to get portable solar panels and a second AGM, or getting a solar generator, makes a lot more sense if I’m needing more amps. Thanks.
That’s for tuning in, I’m glad you found the channel.
This is one of the most important videos on YT. Thank you!
Thank you Jeremy, that means a lot!
This video is by far the best I have ever seen. It's value is immense for RV consideration. Thanks so much for being real and fair. By the way I own and use a Lyon Energy Battery for my Cabin which makes no sense for my T@B Teardrop.
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You get it! What makes this topic so complicated is the specificity of “use case” scenarios. There’s no way I would ever use a lead acid battery for a cabin or anything permanent/ non-mobile.
There are a lot of people that should be using lifepo on their campers too, but the % is smaller than people believe.
When you look at the “use case” for 99 out of 100 RV’s, they’re running under 100ah with stock charging on camper and tow vehicle. In this case, going with lifepo is like buying a sports car and running on flat tires.
Good AGM, solar or small generator (gas or power station) gives increased performance for less money.
Really appreciate your input and coffee! 😀
This is perhaps the best explanation of how to consider the upgrade to Li batteries for your RV. Well done! You explained the details with clarity. Your recommendations are well taken. This is what I needed to know.
Thank you for tuning in!
It proves to be true again and again… You get what you pay for! Excellent video Brian, very informative and easy to understand!💪🏼👍
Thanks for watching!
TWO FACTORS most buyers of Lithium overlook. Retired seniors may not be able to use the lifespan of lithium batteries. When re-powering a used RV battery bank that is faltering after 5 to 19 years, that RV a new lithium bank may outlive the useful life of that old RV. If you are young and ordering a new RV, then get lithium batteries. I’m 70 years old and just re-powered my truck camper with two 6v 220ah in series AGMs. The original two 12v parallel 90ah AGMs lasted me eleven years.
Exactly. when used properly, many folks get a decade out of AGM. Lots of value there.
I was very close to buying a lithium battery for my newly purchased older Minnie Winnie, but something in the back of my mind warned me to do more research. Then I found your video. Thank you for the great job explaining all the variables and hidden costs. You really helped me out!
I'm glad you did the homework, it's a great upgrade if you go all the way, not a big fan of half measures. A solid AGM is a great alternative.
Man......This video wasn't even what I typed in the search field....but I watched it. Very informative and brutally honest. Very well made! Good stuff
Thank you, I appreciate you watching!
What a fantastic video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge/experience Brian. Love your explanations and honest opinions.
Thanks Jonathan, I appreciate you watching. I’ll keep making content if people keep watching 👍
I'm building my own squaredrop and your video just saved me from blowing money that I don't have in putting in my electrical system. I have noticed that many of the other UA-camrs that are pushing Lithium batteries will say something like "I'm not sponsored but xyz company did send me these batteries for evaluation"...or something like that. I'm am a Paramedic, not an electrician, but I am just trying to make a system that my family can use without breaking the bank. Some of the other UA-camrs make it seem like you need to spend $40K or more just to have a little overlanding camper. Super appreciate people like you who aren't just trying to push expensive things that lots of regular folks can't afford. 👍. You're explanations are the best on UA-cam and ive climbed very deep into the rabbit hole so Im qualified to say that. Anyway Ive subscribed and will maybe use the money you saved me to add a channel membership.
Thank you so much for the kind comment, this was exactly what I was going for.
The high-end lithium battery modifications to a trailer are really nice. They are top-of-the-line, but if you evaluate what you're using, you don't have to go that route. If you watch some of my other videos on power systems, I found that spending the money, when budget permits, on an equipped power portable power station is the way to go. You can easily get it to power your trailer for extended use, but also use it at home for 101 uses. This sort of multi use approach is a much better bang for your buck.
the most complete, straight info that ive ever seen on this subject. keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for watching!
Absolutely brilliant. I've learned more in watching a few of your video's now than all previous instruction over the past four years. I've now officially stopped drinking the Kool-Aid...Thank you.
Thanks for tuning in, theres kool aid everywhere these days... lol
Great video, really well presented! You even pointed at alternator charging and low temp use which were my main concerns here in freezing Eastern Europe. 6 months of the year we do low temperature camping in my ancient van. I assumed lithium was the way to go, but thanks to you and Google I'll steer clear. Thanks again!
Thank you, I appreciate the comment. The topic is both simple and complicated, im glad to help with the research.
Great writing and clear presentation. It takes hard work to plan and execute such a great video. Thanks for balancing out the lithium marketing.
I appreciate that, thank you.
Great information and well presented. You are not working from a script and you speak extemporaneously like a professional! Very impressive and engaging.
Thank you for watching and commenting. We just point a cheap GoPro and shoot, some come out better than others but it feels more natural to me that way. I appreciate you swinging by, hope you’ll subscribe!
Thanks for the insight. I appreciate hearing the options and you simply cemented the direction I was already headed with my house battery upgrade and solar install.
Thank you for watching, happy camping!
Hey Brian, another fantastic video ! Thanks and looking forward to the next one.... also, just received the 1000Core and getting ready to see how it works out with our 10FB, thanks again and have a great day !
That’s awesome! Keep me in the loop, I’ve made enough mistakes to know a trick or two!
Thank you for this video! I'm a first timer in a homemade teardrop 4x8. It came with a little 12 volt motorcycle battery that just runs the fan and some lights. I'm wanting to add another battery, a 1000 watt invertor because I'm not running many items. So this was very educational to do what I want to do.
Thanks for watching!
I saw you were at 999 comments so i was excited to be 1000! This is hands down one of the most valuable videos for small RV owners. Great content!!
Nice, good timing! Thank you for watching the channel
Really great and honest explanation of solar and battery power. I have learned more from your videos than any of the “sponsored “ videos. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Great video as usually. I have a 2019 Geo Pro 12SRK, meaning 12 feet long. When I bought it, it had one lead acid battery, (80 AH) group 24 installed. I was going to buy a AGM battery but instead of throwing the lead acid away I just bought a second one of the same. My thought is once these batteries wear out I will go to the AGM batteries. I don't mind doing the maintenance on these batteries, ie: adding distilled water and testing the cells with a hydrometer to ensure they are still good. I have a factory installed roof mount 100 watt solar panel and I purchased a 90 watt suitcase panel of the same brand, Go Power. They both have their own controllers so they don't over charge my lead acid batteries. I have had this camper since new and I do mostly off grill camping and have never run short of power. The lowest volts has been 12.45 volts which keeps me well above the 50% barrier. My main draw is the 20,000 btu furnace. I live in Northern Alberta Canada and a furnace to me is more important then air condition, lol. I learn a lot from your videos and I loved you when Cosmo came to visit, I subscribe to both yours and his UA-cam channels. Just wanted to share what I did for my needs and it works great. Take care and thanks again for the educational video on power management. 👍
This is great Pat, and thanks for subscribing and watching! You're running a great system and monitoring it with knowledge and experience. I'm happy to have you as a subscriber that contributes to the comments! I made the video because so many people are being told that lithium is the only way to go for boondocking. The truth is lithium is the way to go if your budget is super high and you properly convert the necessary components to support the new battery chemistry. Most the time you can more for your money sticking with lead acid (either flooded or maintenance free)
I have this teadrop with a hybrid vehicle and inverter, truly an ideal set up for me
That is a great set up! Some day I’ll save up for the hybrid f-150. We do the same as you with our Prius, but rarely have it with us. Thanks for watching, hope you’ll subscribe!
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Dude! You get a big thumbs up from me with 'the batteries in your TV remote' analogy! Start @ 16:53 👍
LoL... thank you
Dang! Right on time! My AGM is at the end of it's useful life for my Casita, and I was seriously considering a lithium battery, primarily because of all the hype. You changed my mind, by educating me, saving me tons of money, and being more comfortable in my decision to stick with what's working. I owe you a debt of gratitude. Thank you very much!
I'm glad you found the channel and watched the video. Good luck with your upgrade, it's nice to stick with whats working.
Great video for those using a small tear drop campers, you make excellent points on the money going into these. especially at the price of a high-end, top-quality battery of $1000 you can always buy an inverter generator from harbor freight for less, and recharge on a cloudy day and run other devices for less than $5 in gas.
However, if you have a large family and want to go solar on a larger unit, then lithium is a viable option due to power storage capacity. If any of you have daughters, you know they run those hair dryers all morning. And many of them are 1200-1500w. SOK is a great brand to go with, half the cost of golden staple batteries and just as good quality.
excellent points, completely agree. I talk about SOK in a couple videos, such a great buy.
Thank you for this video. We have been considering a switch to lithium. We understood the high cost but decided our frustration with our LAs warranted it in our case. However, as we have begun to research more we learned exactly what you are saying here - they are definitely not drop-in as we originally thought. The battery cost is simply the beginning. I can understand lithium makes sense for heavy, frequent users even with all the additional costs for a proper transition, but in our situation it makes no sense. We were willing to splurge IF it was just the battery cost but unfortunately that is not the total cost, by far. Thank you for all the thoughts you shared here.
I really appreciate this comment. I think a lot of people can relate. I will be putting a video out soon on some easier ways to take advantage of lithium without the costly upgrades, stay tuned!
Nice! Just bought me the 2022 10HD and watching your videos has helped a ton.
That’s great to here! Thanks for joining and commenting 💪
you make a lot of sense. i bought one of those batteries but it was for my trolly motor. i dont own a camper anymore
Thanks for watching!
Another video well done! I especially like the points about with the money saved adding more solar and maybe adding a high capacity/quality portable power bank to the mix. I'm working on both of those myself. Such a good point to spend that $1K on a good power bank, just for the added versatility alone.
Very likely, right off the dealer lot with no questions asked or any finagling for upgraded batteries you will go home with something like an Interstate group 24 flooded marine battery on most RV purchases. Rated for 80ah so 40 useable. Basically the Continental Breakfast of batteries. My Bushwhacker came with one as have other RVs I've had. With good sun, a decent 20 amp mppt controller (properly configured for the battery) and a 100 watt panel I can just barely eek out a weekend on that running an efficient fridge, lights and maybe some vent fan time. I charge my gadgets on a small power bank. But add some overcast to the day, even 20-30% of a day and that falls apart very fast. I knew at the start 100 watts would be close or inadequate and figured being frugal and with the tow charging I'd get by. I have been contemplating lithium but like you point out supporting them starts to get quite expensive and in the case of my little trailer it's not worth it.
After some testing and simple math what I found I really need to add is one more 100w panel and around 200ah of AGM. I'll not have the money for that until later this season so what to do now to fill in? Spend $89 on a second 80ah wet battery to add in parallel. I don't typically stay in one spot for more than 3 days so between driving and solar, and I do "chase the sun" with a ground panel, it's keeping up quite good now, even with some rain and overcast. $89 for my budget doesn't seem like too much to get me through the rest of this season while I save up for more solar and a quality, bigger battery. As for the wet batteries after I upgrade, they'll still have a couple of good years in them so I suppose I'll pass them along to someone else in need. I think it's an okay patch overall.
Most important, before one starts spending money on a permanent system, please tally up your electrical needs and buy accordingly. Don't overlook quality of sunlight. In my case I'm buying as I go. I spent a little extra up front on the first panel and the charge controller, knowing I'd add more later. In my case I'll be spending about $550 for the second panel and the AGM and then I'm done. Even with kind of wasting $90 bucks on the temporary wet battery bump-up that still beats lithium by a lot for the size system I need.
I appreciate you tuning in and adding some excellent content with your comment. I think you did well, every BW I’ve seen came with a 50ah (25 working) battery or worse! Mine came with a cheap 48ah and my friends came with a car battery measured in CCA (converted to 35ah)!
I think you’re on tract to build a top notch system. I’m always on a budget and think matching a parallel is a solid idea to boost your storage for that solar until you save for your ideal system. Value is key and you’re clearly wise where you dish out your hard earned money. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@DIYOutdoorLife Hey, thanks for the kind words and thanks for sharing your experiences and wrenching. You do it very well. You share things in an unassuming, friendly way that's accessible to many skill levels and you manage to entertain while doing so. Man I need to hit that buy you a coffee link ;-)
Another thought on immediately slapping lithium on a little teardrop (I wanted to). These things just aren't big enough to cram that much solar on the roof. Sure, ground panels will pretty much solve that but assuming one wants to use solar exclusively to charge on the road then that's a fair amount of expensive, bulky panels to mess around with. They need to stow someplace. One of my reasons for going with a teardrop is I still want to stick fairly close to car/tent camping but I just want to get off the ground and eliminate a few gadgets. Setting up a solar farm kind of goes against that. Second, I don't mind too much putting out a 100W rigid panel that cost me... roughly $100 bucks. Sure, if it gets burgled I'll be bummed but that beats >= $400 going gone. So again your point of simple, solid power on the camper for some core devices and augmenting with a good power bank makes more sense on little rigs. You can partition your power use. Core items on the rig and more hungry but less important items on the power bank which is inherently easier to charge.
@@charlesswank6401 spot on. To each their own, but we're thinking about this the same way!
-I like no sugar w/ a touch of milk...hahaha
I know this comment is old, but my 2 cents says don't mix flooded and agm batteries. They have different charging characteristics. You could end up ruining one or both batteries.
Awesome vid yet again! A lot of great info in this. One suggestion I would make is to put some of the text details on the screen in the video. Like you could put your 3 reasons on battery selection as bullet points on the screen while you are discussing it.
Thank you Sheldon, you’re absolutely right! I tried to cover a huge topic in 20 min, text would have made this easier to follow. Appreciate you watching and commenting 🙂
I really appreciate you talking about the things that nobody is talking about. Very imformative video... thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for doing this great, clearly stated information without any sales hype. I just purchased a new vehicle with AGM batteries and some solar and wanted to improve both capabilities and thought lithium and increased solar was a must. Now after watching this I can clearly understand that I really only need to improve my solar and can possibly achieve the same goal especially if I by a separate lithium system if desired but not required. A very informational video and will continue to watch and follow your future videos. 😊
Thank you for swinging by, I’m glad you found the channel. More battery videos coming..
I’ve had batteries since 1984. My Trojan 8D AGM batteries were replaced last year after 15 years of use.
I LOVE this comment. There are tons of people that go over a decade with Trojans and other high quality AGM. This misnomer that they last 2 years is crazy. My brand new car will last 2 years if I don’t change the oil… simple maintenance goes a long way.
Just went through all this and decided on a AGM set-up over Lithium. My wife was pushing for Lithium but in the end, in my mind the investment didn't equal the benefits switching to Lithium. AGM made the most sense for our truck camper so we bought a 115 ah to replace our 90 ah flooded battery. Our aim is to be able to run the furnace fan all night in the chilly fall weather and not wake up to a completely flat battery. We will start with the single AGM and add a second one if we still need more power.
Make sure to get a good sized AGM like the one you mentioned (110 ah). Good luck with your new system! Thanks for watching.
I was going to add a second one later on if needed but was told not to add a new battery to one that has been used for a year or so. I guess the older battery can do damage to the new one. My goal is pretty much the same as yours and I did pretty much the same thing by going with one good quality AGM. Really glad I stumbled across this channel! He seems to be a straight shooter. Happy Trails
Ok so I’m a slow thinker!! A guy could just carry a spare and swap them out same way we do with our propane tanks🤪!
Or install them both with a switch with 3 settings. Bat 1, Bat 2, OR both off. Then you can avoid the swap and use and charge one at a time.
yeah, I'm at the same place now. Need to replace batteries, we're just weekenders with once a year 2 week trips. Not spending thousands for weekends. 5th wheel, so not weight or space conscious. After watching this video, I'm really convinced a couple of AGMs will do the job and use the extra savings on battery monitor to track usage. Plus already have generator to charge if we absolutely need to.
Thanks! I feel smarter, I’m probably not, but I hope your viewership grows because this was a lot of learning packed together and more people need it.
Thank you for the kind words, and I really appreciate you supporting the channel.
Brian
Beautiful video! This is for anyone questioning battery banks! There is a reason the military uses AGM's. The are rugged! I know these things and I'm sooo glad there is a video out here to share with others when I get questions on my setups.
I’m really happy to have you turning into the channel!
Well said indeed !
Thanks Gord, I appreciate you tuning in!
Top notch information Brian! Thank You. =Cosmo
Thanks Cosmo, we’re going to be the last 2 singing the praise of AGM, in a world where everyone switches to LifePo4 on their campers..😬 good luck this winter ❄️
@@DIYOutdoorLife Its obvious we were separated at birth!
Your past self should talk to present self. I have a feeling you two will be having words. 😅
Like the channel man, appreciate you breaking down and talking about different electrical components and gear in clear concise and in practical everyday type use.
Haha... they are in agreement 😀 if the prices for all the gear were presently, what they were when I made this, I'd be saying the same thing.. lol
So glad to have come across your channel.What a gem!Very informative and you're so articulate!OSS brother!
I'm glad you found it too, thank you for watching. OSS!
I definitely learned a few things!! What a great explanation! Keep it up!
I appreciate that. You’re still running lead acid right?
For those who don’t know, Bob lives in his Bushwhacker full time!! Check out his channel for his adventures 😀
@@DIYOutdoorLife yes sir. I'm still running the stock lead acid. I installed a 12 v male plug on a battery switch. So I can just plug the jacket into that and run everything off the jackery and save the house battery for when it's really needed.
Nice setup!
@@DIYOutdoorLife Thank you! Only issue it's the portable battery packs can't be left out in the rain, so I have to be careful. I have not come up with a solution for that yet.
I put it in the truck with cap, wire shuts nicely under glass lift. The wrangler does the same.
I have a friend who just elevates it slightly and puts a rubbermade tote over it… that works…lol
What style plug are you connecting to power station with?
I feel better now about getting the small generator.
Don’t let ppl knock it! If you get a good quiet one and have a place for gas it is a great system.
Awesome video and great advice. Thanks for your assistance and honesty.
Thank you, appreciate you watching!
Great video! I learned so much from this and you are right this will save me lots of money. I was all ready to do everything you were talking about and I’m glad I waited!
That's great to hear, I hope you find a system that fits your needs for less.
Thanks! Also, could you discuss when inverters are needed? If a "full" charge on my current lead acid deep cycle battery is typically around 12.6V can I go below 12.2V and if so, how far down is 50%. When you someone consider upgrading their tow vehicle's alternator? This video just saved me from buying a lithium ion battery as I had no clue would would have had to swap out everything else.
So this can get a little complicated, but the basics are straightforward.
An inverter is needed when you want your household outlets to work in the camper when you are disconnected from the pedestal. It will allow you to run the 110v outlets off battery. This can be a very demanding task on a battery, lends itself to lithium, and can get costly. Unless your system is large and elaborate, modern portable power stations are probably the better route.
12.2 is around 50% of lead acid. If you are finding that you get to 12.2 very quickly, a battery with more amp hours is needed, but it doesn’t need to be lithium.
Needing an upgraded alternator is rare, far more common with lightweight campers and lithium batteries. The larger trucks capable of pulling heavier campers have heavy duty alternators. If you put a 200 amp hour lithium on a teardrop, being pulled by a Subaru, you are overworking the alternator seriously.
Hope this helps.
Came across your channel a few days ago and have been binge watching you. Great videos! I love how you clearly explain complex topics in simple layman's terms. Question for you, I'm planning to build my own teardrop next winter and am thinking about the electrical system. I'm a long time backpacker and car camper for both work and play so I already have a pretty plush car camping setup (big camp chef stove, solar lanterns, yeti cooler, bluetooth speakers, etc). Due to this I'm seriously thinking of not wiring the trailer for power at all and just using a portable power station instead. I just need to be able to recharge phones, computers, speakers and lanterns in the field plus run a fantastic fan, heated mattress pad, and occasionally a small ceramic heater in the trailer. What do you think of that idea? Seems like it would save a lot of headaches as well as be available for other uses (such as building an off grid cabin).
A lot of folks do that and love it. I would at least put a roof vent in, maybe a light, you can plug them into the dc side of the power station. You probably wouldn’t regret doing that down the road.
@@DIYOutdoorLife Thanks for the quick response. I like the idea of hooking up the fantastic fan roof vent and some basic interior lights to a dc plug that goes to the portable power station. I think some LED strips along the seam between the roof and wall would probably work nicely, especially some that you can switch to red or amber and dim so you attract fewer bugs, maybe the same in the galley as well.
Although not new to camping, tent, travel trailer, motorhome, I am a newbie to the solar scene and just trying to figure the ins and outs. I kinda fell down a rabbit hole researching and found you! Happy to say that I have spent hours over the last few days watching your videos. I was totally convinced by other videos to go with the lithium battery and now I am totally convinced to stick with AGM and just boost up what we already have. Trying to choose whether to install solar panels on the roof or keep them portable on the ground for versatility. Thanks for all the info you have shared on so many topics and truly.......... I don't mind the length of any of your videos at all. Thanks!
Thank you for watching and commenting. I’m really happy that you found us and got something out of the videos!
-Brian
Your videos are unbelievably good. Exactly what I need to hear
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
The need to upgrade the inverter/charger/solar controller plus charging in the cold issues keeps me from even thinking about changing from lead acid.
Add a solar panel or two, or a small quality generator and you will be plenty happy with a fatter wallet also.
That’s right! More money to spend on gas getting new places! Thanks for watching, hope you’ll subscribe 😀
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Might want to check your converter…today, even cheaper converters (WFCO) are setup and capable of charging Lithium batteries. We use Progressive Dynamics converters…the model we use has a micro switch on the board, if you change to a Lithium battery you change the switch and you’re good to go…that simple. I don’t know of many converters, especially for small campers 35-45 amps that cost much more than $100-150.
I use a lot of progressive dynamics and LOVE them. Having a lithium profile switch is still very rare from factory. The lithium WFCO and PD converters are more on the $200-250 range, the issue is with the install. It usually only takes and hour or two, but dealerships get $700-1000 for the swap if you dont DIY. Most of the progressive dynamics converters have higher current charging, which involves increasing the AWG going to the battery. All of this stuff quickly adds up. Getting a lithium converter from factory is a huge plus.
I agree that it's not a difficult job and worthwhile for some, but I do push back on the pricing argument people make.
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Love your vids. A year ago I think you were spot on with your AGM advice. However, a year is a long time in battery development. You can now get a lithium battery for about 40% more than a quality AGM with the same amps. It is @ the same price when you consider you can discharge the lithium to low levels and you need to keep your discharge to 50% with the AGM. That means two AGM's are needed when one lithium can do nearly the same job. You may consider looking at the current economics of a lithium battery. IMO, considering weight, output, and lifespan it's currently the way to go.
Definitely appreciate the comment, I don’t think you’re too far off. You still need to make sure that you’re getting cold temp protection, DCDC charger, and some external charger or upgraded converter for balancing. These are the things that still make it close. Exciting to see the progress, I should probably make a new video.
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@@DIYOutdoorLife You are so right on cold temp issues. I camp in the West during seasons when freezing isn't an issue so I tend to minimize this when I shouldn't. I know you have to consider cold as an issue when you winter camp.
We just started considering the change to lithium so I can’t speak to the battery prices a year ago but I think, like we are personally now learning as we research and the point being made here, is that it’s way more than just paying the price for the battery. It’s most definitely not a drop-in situation where you swap the batteries and off you go. If that were the case we would do lithium without question. However, there’s much more cost to the transition than the batteries themselves. We just saw this video after researching and realizing the cost of the battery is just the beginning. This video backs up what we’ve been learning as to all the other stuff. We are starting to back away. Bottom line is the investment needs to be evaluated based of course on budget but also how you use your RV and how often etc. We are minimal users. As frustrated as we are by our LAs, it’s turning into a bigger investment than makes sense based on our use to make the changes needed to appropriately and efficiently use the lithium investment.
that's exactly right. I have a new video coming out to help people make the adjustment for cheaper, stay tuned
@@DIYOutdoorLife if this video is out now, can you provide a link please as you have plenty of videos...thanks!
Finally finally finally someone who knows what they are talking about! Thank you sir
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Thanks for the video, love how you explain everything so simply and clearly. Keep it up 👍
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Facts!
Sometimes people don’t like facts???…lol
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I recently rewatched this video. I’m not sure where you are getting the $5-6,000 figure. I paid $235 for a 100ah lifepo4 battery, $191 for a WFCO lithium converter, $85 for a Victron mppt charge controller and $100 for a shunt. As far as the connection to the tow vehicle, I simply disconnected it. It’s been working perfectly for over 2 years now in our trailer. It can be done.
You are 100% right, the prices have dropped precipitously in 3 years and it's definitely time to do an update video.
The numbers came from a direct quote, but obviously it wasn't DIY. Bring your camper to a dealership and ask for 100 amp lithium (most need cold temperature protection), the installation of the new WFCO, and DC-DC charge controller. You can save a lot if you're handy, and it seems like you are.
I am with you completely on disconnecting the charge lead, it's fast and easy and it what I did on my set up.
The system I've been building out for people uses a Lifepo4, usually SOK or something high-quality with low temp protection or heating, and add a standalone Victron wall charger instead of replacing the WFCO. The price is right, and the performance is outstanding overall.
With that being said, it's $180 for a very high-quality AGM. You can still put two of them together for slightly more capacity and the ability to charge in any weather with no other upgrades required.
Thank you for tuning in and giving an update, a lot changes in three years.
Oh man... this was brilliant! I've been totally sold on the perfect world Lifepo4 batteries provide... and now I'm realizing there are plenty of times AGM would be a better solution. VERY clear info cram-packed into this awesome video. Thanks!!!
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So awesome!!! You made a believer out of me. Buying another AGM for my rig!
Thanks for watching, hope you get a system that works great for the best $$
Thanks dude, in 20 minutes you just explained so much and answered all my questions better than any other video I've seen so far. I could buy a lot of AGM batteries and solar panels for $4000! And just use the electrical system my teardrop came with let alone not putting a big strain on the electrical system of my honda. You are the Scotty Kilmer of of RV electrical systems.
Haha… thank you! I really appreciate that you watched it through and commented.
PS… I love Scotty Kilmer!
Thank you Brian for helping me figure out my system and your awesome consultation. Brian is very knowledgeable about things. If you need help he is the man for the job. 😊
It was a lot of fun checking out that amazing teardrop or yours. That's a very rare fine and you should be proud to own that.
Thanks again!
Thank you :) @@DIYOutdoorLife
Wow. That was educational! You convinced me! Now I need to rethink my plans. Thank you for this step by step break-down of reality!!!
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I was teetering toward l-ion , thanks for the wake up call! The part about the tow vehicle convinced me!
Thanks for watching, I hope you find a great system. Happy camping!
Glad I found this. Was doing research on putting lith ion in my camper. Not gonna happen now. Thank you for your in depth yet simple lesson .
Thank you for watching, I hope you save some cash and get a great system!
I really enjoyed your video on AGM batteries and your honesty about batteries.
I really appreciate you watching the channel!
Very helpful. Retired and Boondocking more often now. I have a TopBull 3000w and Diehard H8 (95ah).
And a 100w ecoflow solar panel. Doesn’t seem like the best balanced setup but good enough for small personal device charging and a Keurig and maybe a microwave and tv if needed.
Your videos are great thanks Brother!
Thank you, trial and error is the best for figuring out a system that mates our needs. Happy camping!
Appreciate the information!
Thanks Rambo. I appreciated the great movies growing up.
Using my inverter battery for 10 years still going strong
Me too, i've received countless responses from people that are working with systems over six or seven years old
I've seen and loved this video before. I just watched it again to remind me. I just commented on another video of yours, telling you I built my own 4000 watt solar generator witha 400 amp hour lithium battery. However... Becuase of this very important information you have taught me here, I am NOT putting a lithium battery on my trailer. I am using my generator like you use your Goal Zero.. I am keeping the AGM Battery on the camper to run the things like my thermostat, water heater thermostat... I plug my camper into my home made solar generator like you would SHORE POWER. Thank you AGAIN for sharing your experience. YOU REALLY HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR ME. 😇🤘👍
Thank you so much for this,, it sounds like you have an incredible system brewing on your trailer, can’t wait to hear how you make out.
I think you saved me several thousand. I have a solar generator LiFePO4 in my cargo trailer and I thought adding the same batteries in the camper would be my best route. Now I’m thinking AGM in the camper, and still have the same versatility I was looking for in the first place. Thank you!
Thanks for watching, more money to go camping!
This was just what I needed to hear. I was skeptical about your video and whether I would watch the entire thing and I was hanging on every informative word you shared. My gut feeling all along was that AGM was getting a bit of a bum rap and I almost went on Amazon to buy some LiFePO4 batteries that were "affordable". I'm so glad I watched this. Thank you very much. :)
I appreciate you tuning in. Hope you get a solid battery that works great for your setup!
Wow so glad i found your channel. Thanks for all the amazing info
Thank you, I appreciate you watching the videos!
Just watched 2 of ur vids.
Top notch!
And thanx
I really appreciate that, thank you for watching.
@@DIYOutdoorLife just watched another.
Your welcome and pls keep up the good work and info
Dude makes a lot of sense. This was a well thought out presentation. Thanks for that I learned a ton and won't make that mistake.
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Thank you for a very informative video. I have quality lithium batteries and certainly won’t get rid of them because of your video. I’m very happy with them and they have worked well for me and much smaller and lighter than AGM. They’re also more environmentally friendly which is important. Still love your video and you clearly know what you’re talking about and why your delivery is so clear. Well done.
I definitely wouldn't get rid of them, just make sure you have them set up properly. It's time for an update video, there's a lot of quality options for 25% of the price that they were when I made this video.
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OMG... You are my spirit animal !!! you have said everything That I have said to people, and they just want to look at me... Like i'm broke....LOL
I am planning to set up my tiny RV's power system EXACTLY as you have described... I can have an entire system with multiple backups for the price of one Lithium battery
Haha, I feel so honored to be a spirit animal! I checked out your channel, and I love it, we will have to do a collaboration someday.
this is informative and clearly presented. very good info thank you for posting.
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Wow. Thank you Ma Brotha. You are a great teacher. Thank you for saving me money.
I really appreciate you tuning and watching the video!
Very informative video and in plain English. Look forward to more videos.
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Just about to start a teardrop build, so I'll be revisiting this video a few times. Keep it simple, and keep it cheap........works for you and it works for me.
Keep it simple as a wise philosophy, good luck with your project!
I have a Jackery 1000 for my little teardrop. Works everything I need. Thanks for the info.
That’s a great way to power our teardrops. Like I said in the video, you get to use it all the days you’re not camping too. Good value!
SUBSCRIBED! Thanks for the tutelage! In defense of LifePo batteries I have a Jackson Bite FD kayak with a real groovy "E-Drive" motor. I purchased the 22ah/24volt battery, It is relatively small and light and yes it was absurdly expensive BUT because I am using it on a kayak weight is the biggest issue.
Admittedly I didn't know ANYTHING about batteries when I bought it and I don't regret buying it. Now that I am considering life on the road as a homeless nomad your videos on batteries and solar have caught my eye. Having been very impressed with the LifePo batteries I thought that I would go that route with a solar setup. Those thoughts have change due to your recommendations.
Even though weight IS a factor when planning an RV rig, the exorbitant cost of LifePo seems to be unneeded. Thanks again!
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I love lithium batteries, this video was a push back against some irresponsible marketing. There are a ton of people with simple RV set ups that can get by with lower cost lead acid set ups. I think the lithium battery for your kayak is an awesome way to use it.
Hope you design a great system, thanks for watching
You just saved me thousands and earned my subscription! Well done!!
Happy to have you as a subscriber, thank you for watching!
EXCELLENT!!!!!! Lots of great info, well presented.
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This video just convinced me to go with portable battery powered generator
Although the price points have dropped considerably since I made this video, the overall theme is the same. By investing in a portable power station, you have a lot more versatility.
The voice of reason, thank you so much!
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Great videos. Thank you! Had some of the experiences that you've mentioned and swapped right back from lithium to AGM's, (two 100ah). Works like a charm.
I'm getting more and more comments like this, unfortunately, I think a lot of people made an expensive mistake.
Great clear ,concise information! Really good videos! Thank you.
Thank you so much for watching!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks dude, you saved me $7k. Changed the game plan and installed my solar system for $800.
That's great to hear. Thanks for tuning in!
Once again bro awesome video ! Thank you for the information.
Thanks man!
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Thank you I’m just going to buy another AGM battery and put it in parallel. You got yourself a new subscriber!
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Thank you ! You just helped me double my limited knowledge about batteries.
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Great information video! I decided on both my Ryobi electric mower and my travel trailer to replace all their batteries with AGM. I agree with you that in a RV the list of all the necessary high dollar components required with Life P04 batteries is insane money. If you put two, six volt 100 amp hour batteries in series, you will total 12 volts but still have 100 ah total. If you put two, 12 volt 100 ah batteries in parallel, you have a total of 12 volts and 200 ah.
Thanks for watching, happy camping!
Thanks! I have learned so much. Keep up the good work
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