I still liked it just because it was star trek. The moments with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were good. Jerry Goldsmith's score was my favorite part the of the movie.
The whole movie would have been better had it just been Kirk, Spock and McCoy camping, Kirk perhaps talking about his feelings over losing David, Spock and McCoy finally having that conversation about death, the afterlife, and rebirth
This movie's comedy scenes are a delight to watch. Not because they're funny, but because it's STILL so great to see the characters and actors work off of each other.
My favorite scene is Sulu trying to avoid admitting he got lost in the forest and tells Uhura that there’s a blizzard, and she comes back with, “I show it’s a balmy, 72 degrees” Nope, can’t fool Uhura! 😎
I've always had a soft spot for this movie. Yes it's bad, but it was one of the first movies I saw in the theaters as a child. It was a good memory and my introduction to Trek. I legitimately love the "what does God need with a starship?," "I need my pain," and the ending campfire scene.
I did like the "I need my pain" speech by Kirk, that bit where they were asking why God needs a ship, and when I was a kid I did laugh at some of the jokes.
@ajs1031 Uh Kirk wasnt split in 2 by the transporter in turnabout Intruder... You mean the Enemy Within... Turnabout Intruder was TOS's last episode, where Janice Lester inhabits Kirks body... You might wanna work on that memory :P
I liked that part too. It should've continued in Shatneresque rant. "Do you know how many young men I've had to give orders to that died? They blindly followed my orders! Do you know what that does to a mans' soul? I have to live with that for the rest of my life!" Also would've made a lot more sense had they actually mentioned that Commander Decker from "The Motion Picture" was Commodore Deckers' son from the TOS episode: "The Doomsday Machine". It would've added a little bit of depth and humanity to Kirk's character. YES, he is the hero we all believe him to be, but he is also the anti-hero being forced to send people off to die and he does have a conscience.
Kind of, though Spocks sister (not half as she was adopted) was done much better and made a LOT more sense, even explaining why we hadnt heard of her before...
@astroluc1 Sorry dont buy that... When you're as close as Kirk and Spock there wouldnt be much they didnt know about each other... Sure Spock may not go in to Syboks details but he would have told Kirk that he existed!
My opinion of ST:V has mellowed considerably over the years. Yes, it's a deeply flawed Shatner vanity project, but I never could bring myself to really hate it. Nimoy and De Kelley were absolutely right to defend their characters' relationship towards Kirk, because that's where this film really shines. And Laurence Luckinbill actually gives what in my opinion is an interesting and underappreciated performance as Sybok. Yes, the jokes are corny, the story is uninspired, the effects are subpar, the in-universe continuity is abysmal, and the supporting bridge crew members are treated unfairly, but it's still a decently diverting Star Trek flick - just not exactly one of the best.
McCoy: you'll have a great time bones. You will enjoy your shore leave... you'll be able to relax. You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck! If I'm not careful I'll end up talking to myself 😂😂😂😂
Honestly I love this movie, through and through. Maybe it helps that it came out on video when I was 10 and it was (at the time) my favorite movie and I watched it over and over. But even now as a middle-aged person, I still love it. Sure, I see it's flaws and the faults in the technical portrayal of the ship and certain story elements don't fit seamlessly into the rest of the Star Trek narrative (Klingons, Romulans, and the UFP jointly settled Nimbus III? ... during the TOS third season? ... right...) But in many ways I see this as the most TOS of the TOS movies. Overcoming god-like entities was a staple of the show that has really been gotten away from in latter day Trek. ST5 was kind of the last hurrah into that kind of story (Q and the Prophets notwithstanding). Also, I feel that this was one of the stronger outings as far as the Big Three relationship goes. Kirk, Spock and McCoy play off each other brilliantly. And I like the acting, for the most part. The only scenes that are really hard to watch are Shatner's delivery in the brig scenes and all of the Uhura and Scotty are dating (?!?!) scenes. What really makes the film shine for me is Kirk's speech to Sybok about how our flaws are what make us who we are... "I want my pain. I need my pain!" is a sentiment that means a lot to me personally (for personal reasons I mean). So, yeah, people think this one is a stinker and that's their privilege, but, for my money, this is still one of my favorites.
This has been and always shall be my favorite Star Trek movie for one simple reason. It is the only one that felt like a TV episode, and at the end of the day, that is all I ever wanted from any of the Star Trek movies.
There are plenty of episodes that are far better. It feeling like an episode isn't a pass in my book. Insurrection felt like an episode as well, but in reality it is just an underbaked movie.
Unfortunately it comes down to the director being familiar with the source material. Watch interviews with Leonard Nimoy vs Shatner about Star Trek. Mr. Nimoy remembered details about the original series and was well familiar with Star Trek, Mr.Shatner has admitted he doesn't even remember filming it. Mr.Shatner has even said from film to film all the sets were destroyed which is ridiculous because all the way to Voyager certain Motion Picture set parts were used. Mr. Shatners unfamiliarity with Star Trek itself is the first problem
When all of the problems of the Enterprise were revealed in the first bridge shot, I thought, 'Why is this ship even manned? It's obviously not ready for service. Even if the life support with it's triple redundancy is installed it's nowhere near ready to embark. You don't assign a full crew compliment to a ship until you are within a week or two ready for a shakedown.' Although Kirk's question, "What does God need with a starship?" was classic and very apropos.
@@ThreadBomb With that state of operability you call that 'available'? Available for a run to the moon maybe. Definitely not available for a standard Star Fleet mission, and this mission was far from standard. In this scenario (a fleet of warp capable ships), you should have at least one fully operational ship at Earth at all times (except when it is dealing with a crisis) even if that means pulling a ship from exploration. Very bad planning on Starfleet's part. Have no Idea why Starfleet doesn't have a 'Home Guard' fleet.
This was the first Trek movie that I saw in theaters. I was 7 at the time. I didn't notice all the plot holes back then, but I definitely do now. How the Hell did Bill let the film get this bad?
Kirk: unable to comply... get ready to initiate emergency landing plan B! Chekhov: what's emergency landing plan B? Scotty: I haven't a clue! Kirk: B as in barricade. Scotty: he can't be serious. Sybok: what are you doing? Kirk: in order to lower and reraise as quickly as possible we are forgoing the tractor beam and flying her in manually. Bones: manually? Sybok: how many times have you done this? Sulu: actually it's my first attempt! Kirk: he's good.... really good lol
the best parts of the movie are: Sybok exploring Mccoy's and Spock's personal pain, Jerry Goldsmith's score and the dialogue from Kirk about "God Needing a Starship"
The only defence I would offer is that the film had some nice, warm character moments, especially between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Not nearly enough to redeem it of course. But more of that in the other films would have been welcome.
" 'You'll have a great time, Bones. You'll enjoy your shore leave. You'll be able to relax.' You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck. If I'm not careful, I might end up talking to myself." "I've always known I'll die alone." "I liked him better before he died." "I am well-versed in the classics, Doctor. " "Then how come you don't know Row, Row, Row Your Boat?" "All my knowledge and I can't save him." "I need my pain!" "Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons." (though I dislike this line) "I've lost a brother. "Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky, I got him back. " "I thought you said men like us don't have families. " "I was wrong." "Maybe He's not out there, Bones. Maybe He's right here... the human heart."
I don't love it, but I definitely don't hate it. It's entertaining enough for a quiet Sunday afternoon. I watch it passively. The Uhura dancing part has always been cringe worthy. Would take rock monsters over that scene.
This was one of my favourites as a kid. We had the vhs box set of the first 5 films, I watched this one more then Search and Voyage. I also think I quote this one more then the others too. I’m weird though as I prefer TMP over Khaaaaaaaannnnnn! I always put everything going wrong on the Enterprise down to a rushed refit and her not getting a proper shakedown. Has Discovery made any mention of Sybok?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios it's true, you could! It was like 5 "Count Chocula"box tops or something, and they got sued because it blinded someone or something like that, but they DID have it.
There was some great ideas in the Movie, Nimbus III, A planet that was supposed to be an attempt for the 3 great powers to develop. That was a cleaver idea and had the movie focused on betrayal there by the Romulans, you can almost see the Federation and Klingons start their journey to being allies. Here is the Biggest weakness of the movie, It was supposed to be the Last TOS Style Movie. Because of that, they tried to Pack as much into it as possible. When movie companies try that tactic, It generally hurts the movie. Bad Writing and lack of ordinal Ideas was its downfall. And the Fan Dance!!!!
This movie contains the best interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Doctor McCoy in the entire franchise. We get to see them camping, not on a mission. Roasting marshmallows and singing around a campfire. I play just that scene sometimes. Saved the movie for me.
I was on a student exchange in Japan at the time, and after my friends in the US had seen it, they phoned my dorm just to warn me not to see it. Unfortunately (probably fortunately for Paramount), they had done a same-day release of the movie in Japan as well as the US. So when my friends called to warn me, I was had my question ready to ask, "So, what did you think was worse? The laughing Vulcan or the Romulan bimbo?" My friends in Japan and I had all gotten on trains, spent the ten bucks (equivalent) each to get to Shinjuku, twelve bucks to get into the movie, and 20 bucks to go to some watering hole to try to convince ourselves that we didn't just completely waste a trip. (Then another ten bucks for the train ride back). Yes, it was really that bad, and yes, Star Trek fans were warning other Star Trek fans to not see it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it has always fascinated me how one fan can hate something while another one loves it :) For me, it was a very dull movie with a horrible uneven pace...
I liked it. The introduction of a Spock brother was no big deal to me because a lot of the Trek books do the same thing, introduce new characters to the Star Trek world. Also, I liked that it was more space based. I didn’t care for Trek 4 because it was in the world I already lived in. You couldn’t have told me back then it had a bigger budget because it lacked anything new in the way of sets and effects. I would have figured it for the Least amount spent on a Trek movie.
It's intensely problematic, but I just wanted to bring up a few things I personally admire. 1) the opening sequence is shot beautifully. Sybock's slow mo entrence on the horse-thing is gorgeous. There's something about the film stocks being used in the late-80's/early-90's that I really love. Many films of that era have a similarly sun-drenched, washed out look. 2) I maintain that Lewis Luckinbill's performance is very, very good. I was kind of shocked I'd never heard of him, and that he hasn't done much since. Seems like he's primarily a theater guy. But I feel he has a distinct screen presence and ample charm. 3) The "illusion"-scene with DeForest Kelly and his dad is actually kind of incredible. I'm genuinely surprised he was nominated for a Razzie. I mean, whatever. It's The Razzies. 5) The idea of the neglected backwater planet where mediocre diplomats go to be exiled is potentially fascinating.
I agree Luckinbills performance WAS great, but again a great performance in a horrible movie doesnt say much... I also love the McCoy/ dad scene! And yes the idea of a planet like that is great, but the execution in this movie wasnt! And I look at what was for these reviews, not what the ideas could have been :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I agree. A very interesting conversation would be, "Great Performances in Mediocre Films". Within that conversation, I would definitely include Luckinbill's in "Star Trek 5". I enjoyed your vid here, btw. Dutifully honest analysis of an unfortunately very flawed film.
The only good thing about STV was that this was Gerry Goldsmith's best Star Trek score. If you only had seen Star Trek 1 through 4 and listen to the soundtrack for TFF, you would have thought the movie was some epic sci-fi adventure where the Enterprise goes on the journey of a lifetime and butts heads with Klingons along the way. The music was big, bombastic, and full of energy throughout. That score deserved a better film to accompany.
Maybe this is sacrilege coming from a Star Wars fan (one who loves the Prequels, no less) but Star Trek V is tied with Wrath of Khan as my favorite Star Trek film. I admit that, akin to the Christopher Reeve Superman films of the 70's and 80's, the effects start looking "worse and worse" with each subsequent film, and Star Trek V has one of the strangest plots of the entire franchise (I mean secret half-brother, really?) I found it quite enjoyable. Although bits of the film can be a bit laughable at times, my favorite scene in this film is when Sybock tries to tempt Bones and Spock into joining him by making them face their greatest pain. Sybock does it in such a cult-leader like way, nearly converting them to follow him while in their weakest state. Kirk's excellent rebuttal: "If we lose (our pain) we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away. I need my pain." And, of course, the excellent chemistry of the actors working off of each other - especially Shatner's signature hammy delivery - I don't know, I just always loved this scene and by extension the entire film. If you don't take it overly seriously, it's really a fun ride with a great moral message and more great performances from the TOS cast. I couldn't really get into Star Trek for years (my parents were big Next Gen fans... but I just couldn't get into it) and these feature films really got me into Gene Roddenberry's excellent creation. Star Trek V is just the right amount of cheese, seriousness, great character moments, and odd plots for me to really enjoy it. But I really like out-there sort of movies (Batman & Robin... Spider-Man 3... Spaceballs) and, while it's not good to see a series become a parody of itself, I think this film inches away from the line just enough to be enjoyable. At least, for me anyways. Without it (and II - VI) I wouldn't be a Star Trek fan today.
The studio gave William Shatner a sandbox, and he didn't really know what to do with it. It's a join the dots film a bit of action here and bit of comedy there and maybe a set piece. most long running franchises have a film like this. And as you said it came at the end of the second series of next gen so it was like the original cast saying well we are still here. Don't hate the film but wouldn't go out of my way to watch it as a stand-alone thing I usually tend to marathon the films.
So I recently got the novel of this and it is based on an earlier version of the script. It has the rock monsters as well as stuff comparing Jim's relationship with his own brother to his relationship to Spock and Spock's relationship with Sybok
yes it is. horrible continuity errors. i mean really... when the trio rocketed up the turboshaft... seriously... more than 78 decks...? the time it takes them to get to the center of the galaxy... sigh. i wont even dignify that one. the actual center of the galaxy being dominated by a black hole, not some "mysterious planet" pathetic attempts at humor ( scotty hitting his head leaps to mind ) i repeat... yes, its that bad. in fact, its horrible.
I used to have the VHS of this movie so I have seen it more than the others. It's actually pretty fun to watch as long as you don't dig too hard. Then you watch the other movies and realize this movie ain't so good. First Contact was probably my favorite. Then wrath of Khan comes after. Watching the enterprise ram the scimitar in theaters was my third.
It almost feels like two disjointed movies. You had Sybok as a "charismatic" cult leader as a villain, which was dropped as soon as they made it through the barrier. Suddenly, they're all working together and apparently the brainwashing of the crew just "went away"? We're then suddenly given a new villain with no setup or explanation. It's just a big, evil energy creature. When you look at the previous "god" creatures you mentioned in the video, there was something to most of the stories. You kind of felt for Apollo's loneliness at the end. Trelane could be both charming and petulant. When it's revealed what he is, it all fits together and you can relate.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I know you don't count novelizations, but they actually did add one bit that explained one aspect. Sybok was a genius when it came to shield technology and altered the Enterprise's shields to enter the barrier. The Klingons were able to scan the changes and adapt theirs as well. The movie makes it seem like faith or something.
I have a very bad copy of the NES game in my collection (I work in the games industry) and it's definitely on the same level as Atari's ET..great video as usual
I liked the general premise, but I too felt that it could've been expanded in the more important areas (the Kirk, Spock, McCoy friendship aspect) and less in the Naked Uhura, 3-boobed Cat women, endless pointless scenes in the desert. I came up with a much better idea of a rogue Vulcan (Sybok) wreaking havoc everywhere he goes, stealing star ships, growing an army of followers and leaving nothing but a trail of destruction behind him. We could still have the Spock/Sybok half brother deal, but when Kirk questions Spock on it.... have it be more of a sore topic. Spock refusing to acknowledge his brother and Spock's family abandoning Sybok. Which in turn would create an even greater dynamic between Sybok and Spock with Sybok trying to gain his brothers' affection. I would change Sybok into Spock's younger brother, and also born of an emotional tryst that Sarek went off on , again cementing the fact that Sybok has been excommunicated and not spoken of. Sybok's quest remains the same; him stopping at nothing trying to prove his merit by locating Sha-ka-Ree. In the end, it would be an even greater emotional shock when as it turns out, the God is false and just some sort of creature trapped on the planet. (I still love Kirk's question of "What does God need with a Starship?") it's a moment of logic that even Spock would've been proud of. The final portion being Sybok realizing the error of his ways and that his emotionalism has caused nothing but pain and suffering - both to his family and virtually everybody he's come in contact with - sacrifices himself in one final move towards redemption. The PERFECT ending would've been Spock and Kirk and McCoy discussing the events around the fire with a noticeably despondent Spock. When pushed to speak about the subject, Spock looks up with a tear falling from his eye, speaking the line "Yes Jim. I had a brother....." The movie should've emphasized the family aspect and relationships more than anything. It certainly would've added some much needed character development.
It definitely has its great moments. The character interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Bones is perfect. The Enterprise falling apart is cool. Even the planet of intergalactic peace idea is interesting if done well.
I've always enjoyed Star Trek V. It has a great "Star Trek" feel to it, and Goldsmith's score is fantastic. The only complaint that I've ever had is with regard to the loss of ILM and the poor looking space shots. If Paramount could have released a 30th Anniversary version with all the space shots redone by ILM, that would have been awesome and fixed this film as far as I'm concerned. Years ago, there was a guy on UA-cam remaking the space shots as 3D animations, and that was even a nice improvement.
You hit the nail right on the head with everything. It was not only the worst TOS movie, but the worst Trek movie released. One thing you mentioned is the discovery of Spock having a half-brother. After all these years prior to the movie thinking he was an only child (and that Sarek was widowed before Amanda), this even reminded me why I also dislike ST: Discovery so much because, once again, Spock all of a sudden had a step-sister. You're definitely correct that in order to have a great movie, you don't need a huge budget. Just have a great story.
I always figured the God creature was still alive and remains trapped on the planet. The torpedo strike dissipated it, then it regrouped to pursue Kirk Spock and McCoy. Spock blasted it with disruptors giving everyone time to get back into space but the creature is still down there. I've also been curious as to what secret pain Sybok would have shown to Captain Kirk had he not refused
Now you've got me analyzing things. In terms of a bad/poorly executed story/script I would objectively have to say Generations is also a bad story. Ghostbusters II was a bad story. Sybok as Spock's half brother may have come out of nowhere but so did Kirk's son in Star Trek II. Kirk has a fully grown son? Carol who? I don't recall Kirk ever mentioning these people before. Anyway 30 years later and William Shatner has outlived his critics, still attends Trek events, still does spokesperson work and has another television gig going on. That man knows how to live long and prosper.
I'm leaning toward Ferasan, but I prefer to think that she was intended to be a Kzinti... that is if Larry Niven was more receptive to having his work appear on more than just an Animated Series episode.
I like to use the example of James Cameron, behind schedule and with the studio breathing down his neck, offering to give up his salary in exchange for more time to complete "Titanic." I wonder if Paramount would've gone for it if Shatner (who was getting one salary to star, and another to direct) had offered to give up some of that money to pay for better effects and just more time to improve his film. I think a real artist would've considered making such a sacrifice.
The Writers Guild strike 88 also affected TNG season 2... Because had they not gone on strike there would have been a whole season story arc about the Borg.
I consider everything written by those about behind the scenes stuff of Star Trek... However, in order to be included as fact in any of my videos, every story must be confirmed by at least 2 other independent sources... IE If Shatner says Gene was a womanizer and Nichols and Herb Sollow say the same thing, then chances are he was... If Gene says he created the Klingons, but 15 other sources say he didnt, then chances are he was lying!
I do agree with you that this was the worst Movie "Cringe in Agony" is a good way to describe it. That dose not mean i hate it but to be honest it nearly finished me with the movies and i thought this is it there will be no more ! But 2 years latter they came back with The Undiscovered Country and that blew me away. I thought to my self at the time though this is brilliant but please no more end on a high. And they did. With Star Trek five the thing that killed it for me was the complete disregard of continuity , the Enterprise having 70 decks etc. One big thing that annoyed the hell out of me was when Kirk and company beam down to nimbus and leave Chekov in command???? a Commander What about Captain Scott an experienced combat officer! There is loads to pick holes in though it dose have some good parts like the scean with Dr Mcoy and his father. Thank you another good one. Live long and prosper (:
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Agreed...I actually LIKE "Spock's Brain", it's a hilarious episode if you don't think about it too much. This...this movie just hurts...a lot...and it isn't even funny...😥
Especially when the Enterprise darts out of the way of the Klingon torpedo at Nimbus 3. It was almost Roadrunner like. Meep! Keep! BLBLBLBLBLBL!! Meep! Meep!
Wasn’t the budget repeatedly cut? That’s a bit different from starting with a number and sticking with it. Not saying that exonerates it or anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
I’ve always enjoyed its campiness. I understand the complaints against it and enjoy it despite and because of them. To each their own I suppose. I also dislike Star Trek iv. I guess I’m just odd.
Awesome video. I totally agree with your analysis of the movie. The plot was a little all over the place. Too bad the writer's strike occurred. Damn it man (Wendy William voice) lol. One of my dislikes of the movie is that the writers trying to convince that Starfleet was that lazy in building a starship. Why is it in almost every movie the admiral(s) always say, "you're the closest ship" or the they happen to be the only ship? Where is the rest of the fleet? Smh. Anyway, on a positive note, I thought it was an okay movie. It was like watching a DS9 episode (somewhat). I say that because you get a bit of everything, like science, action, religion, etc. Spock's brother look on life had me reevaluate my own faith in God and to start sharing my struggles with Him verses thinking I can take care of them all on my own and each time I would fail. When he said things like, "Share your pain with me and draw strength from the sharing." "Lets face them those demons together." (paraphrasing) . It's like...words can't describe it. Like I felt complete. But I have to continue doing it or else I would slip back into thinking I can solve them on my own.
Another great video. Whether Star Trek V was good or bad isn't as important as a question that was asked in the movie. I don't think it was answered in the movie. Neither in any other Star Trek movie or episode. Perhaps season one of Star Trek: Picard or even season three of Star Trek: Discovery will finally answer that question. What does God need with a starship? 😛
The trouble with the Final Frontier is timing. It followed what is the most beloved Star Trek film for non fans. My partner Katie and our daughters love the Voyage Home and yet they are not trekkers. Plus the Voyage Home is the funniest out of all the Star Trek films and it had a awesome story and let's not forget the Final Frontier is nestled between the Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country which is brilliant. Especially that edge of your seat battle sequence. Undiscovered Country also had some great humour. Kirk: I can't believe I kiss you lol
I don't want to defend this film as I really don't like it, but I do need to point out the fact Spock never telling Kirk about having an embarrassing brother is in character. In TOS, Spock did not tell Kirk his father was the Ambassador of Vulcan until Kirk asked if he wanted to visit his family on Vulcan and he told him Sherrak was his father. And this is a father he had arguments with, but ultimately respected. We also see further examples where he doesn't tell Kirk he had fiance until it was time to mate with her. Nor did he tell Kirk his plan to save the ship in the Wrath of Khan. Now imagine an embarrassing brother that disappeared from his life, I don't think a private person like Spock would mention him until he considered it relevant. However, that is where the defense is for it would have been a character for Spock to tell Kirk the moment he realized who the leader of the hostage-takers is. So I do see him telling Kirk out of a sense of loyalty. Not to mention duty as they build a psyche profile to make a plan in freeing the hostages.
Im sorry but I disagree... Sure Spock never told Kirk about his Father being the Vulcan Ambassador BUT he spoke of his parents often in TOS during S1, so Kirk knew he had them and that his mother was human and his father was Vulcan... So it would be out of character for Spock not to mention he HAD a brother... He may not reveal the circumstances surrounding that brother, but he would have said he had one!
The big problem with STV is its *tone.* STIV was a breakout hit with its comedic approach, so the producers tried to make STV a comedy even though it was a more serious story. This tone-deaf approach is the main reason the movie is difficult to watch. I'm not worried about the Sybok revelation - all sorts of things about these characters were unknown until the writers suddenly decided to introduce them; this is no different. There were some good moments, most notably the Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes, which I think everyone enjoys. Plus the line "What does God need with a starship?" is a classic. One day I'd like to do a fan edit of STV. Apart from polishing some clunky moments, I think removing most of the "jokes" would greatly improve the movie. I think I would also remove Spock on the Klingon ship at the end, as it weakens the idea of the Klingons becoming allies (and the "not in front of the Klingons" joke is unfunny and not appropriate to Spock's character). (I have a lot of other ideas for the fan edit, but won't list them all here!)
It's flawed but has some good things going on. It's really the only TOS movie that deals with the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy Trinity. It's quotable as hell! "What Does God Need With A Starship?" I actually used this line at work the other day. There are some funny moments. Kirk: "I need a shower." Spock: "Yes." Also, that "share your pain" scene is one of the best Trek moments of all. Wierd that DeForest Kelly won a Razzy because his acting in that scene with him and his father is probably the best performance he ever did as McCoy. I think this movie would've been great with tighter writing and ILM doing the effects. I don't think Shatner was that bad at directing. Maybe by this point everybody was tired of Star Trek. Oh yeah, the score! Jerry Goldsmith is great. The "Busy Man" theme is beautiful. I heard it on a Star Trek CD I had and was like "where is this from? Holy Crap!!! Star Trek V!!!"
Hmm... Well, let me start by saying what I liked about the movie. I loved the idea and concept of a diplomatic planet that was so out of the way that the "Diplomats" were the three main powers cast-offs. They could have done SO much with just that concept. I liked the concept of shore leave on Earth taken by the main cast doing things together... So much so that I can see them sneaking in the Row Row Row Your Boat singalong (nothing else, just that) ... Oh, and the idea of Uhuras' fan dance. Sorry, I had a crush on her since TOS. What I didn't like... Pretty much ANYTHING else. ILM working on Howard the Duck (yes, Star Trek was preempted by Howard the Duck). The complete unnecessary "God" Sybok, and mind control story! The stupidity of the portrayal of the Klingons! I was SO excited as I introduced my wife to Star Trek with The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home, and then we get Marshmellons?! Luckily, she didn't judge the rest of science fiction by Star Trek V. Star Trek V and Howard the Duck are great movies to have playing in the background when you're with friends just to spark all kinds of humor and jokes. Thank you for the review! That had to be a hard review to compile.
Thank you so much! And yes it was hard, I never like to speak ill of Trek even when it's true... But like all things, you have the ups and the downs! :)
Ive always wanted to go back to Nimbus in Trek. I liked the idea in ST online that by the start of the 25th century all 3 powers had just walked away from it washed their hands. Now its being run like a private fiefdom by the Orion Syndicate. Its a smuggler, pirate and black market haven.
I still liked it just because it was star trek. The moments with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were good. Jerry Goldsmith's score was my favorite part the of the movie.
Absolute best mode definitive version of the Klingon theme...
The whole movie would have been better had it just been Kirk, Spock and McCoy camping, Kirk perhaps talking about his feelings over losing David, Spock and McCoy finally having that conversation about death, the afterlife, and rebirth
This movie's comedy scenes are a delight to watch. Not because they're funny, but because it's STILL so great to see the characters and actors work off of each other.
That is certainly one of the better aspects of the movie...
The chemistry between the 3 of them in any given scene was always spot on, and the humour in general was pretty good.
The “row your boat” and “what does God need with a starship” were the 2 best scenes. Thanks for including them.
You're very welcome :)
That “What does God need with a star ship” quote still gets used in conversation amongst Trek fans.
That kinda thing saves this movie I think.
Kirk: " I need a shower" Spock (pauses briefly) "Yes" is still one of my faves
the only scenes worth watching
Don't forget "I need my pain", that's such a powerful scene
My favorite scene is Sulu trying to avoid admitting he got lost in the forest and tells Uhura that there’s a blizzard, and she comes back with, “I show it’s a balmy, 72 degrees” Nope, can’t fool Uhura! 😎
I've always had a soft spot for this movie. Yes it's bad, but it was one of the first movies I saw in the theaters as a child. It was a good memory and my introduction to Trek. I legitimately love the "what does God need with a starship?," "I need my pain," and the ending campfire scene.
:) Everyone is entitled to their own opinions :)
Into Darkness and Discovery have made me look more fondly on The Final Frontier. At the very least it had some pretty good banter
I dunno, what does god need with a starship?
I still enjoy the Final Frontier. My favourite scene is when Kirk & co are the shuttle craft and the Klingons have cloaked ready to strike
Certainly, that is a fun scene :)
"Plan B.... as in Barricade"
I enjoy it too. I don't consider it bad, or good, mind you, (it doesn't feel much like Trek should, IMHO) but its still entertaining
If it weren't for the shoddy special effects, I'd love that scene a lot more.
I did like the "I need my pain" speech by Kirk, that bit where they were asking why God needs a ship, and when I was a kid I did laugh at some of the jokes.
@ajs1031 Uh Kirk wasnt split in 2 by the transporter in turnabout Intruder... You mean the Enemy Within... Turnabout Intruder was TOS's last episode, where Janice Lester inhabits Kirks body... You might wanna work on that memory :P
Yeah it wasn't great but it had some gold scenes for sure. Having climbed the cap it always makes me chuckles seeing Shatner pretending to climb it.
@ajs1031 You sound like me when I was younger, only much, much more so (and I didn't have internet until 10 or so years ago)
I liked that part too. It should've continued in Shatneresque rant. "Do you know how many young men I've had to give orders to that died? They blindly followed my orders! Do you know what that does to a mans' soul? I have to live with that for the rest of my life!"
Also would've made a lot more sense had they actually mentioned that Commander Decker from "The Motion Picture" was Commodore Deckers' son from the TOS episode: "The Doomsday Machine".
It would've added a little bit of depth and humanity to Kirk's character. YES, he is the hero we all believe him to be, but he is also the anti-hero being forced to send people off to die and he does have a conscience.
Star Trek Nemesis comes out, then you realize that Star Trek 5 isn’t that bad all of the sudden.
Um I actually liked st5 less
Kind of like Spock never meantioning his half sister. Lol
Kind of, though Spocks sister (not half as she was adopted) was done much better and made a LOT more sense, even explaining why we hadnt heard of her before...
Sarek was pretty... erm... affectionate, wasn’t he.
@astroluc1 Sorry dont buy that... When you're as close as Kirk and Spock there wouldnt be much they didnt know about each other... Sure Spock may not go in to Syboks details but he would have told Kirk that he existed!
@astroluc1 And I dont, it doesnt fit with the characters established traits at all!
@astroluc1 It's not subjective since it is writings and fiction, it's character traits, something not subjective at all....
There's no arguing that it isn't flawed. A classic like TWOK, no. That said, I still like it.
Was it bad? Yeah, but I prefer this over certain current "Star Trek" productions.
My opinion of ST:V has mellowed considerably over the years. Yes, it's a deeply flawed Shatner vanity project, but I never could bring myself to really hate it.
Nimoy and De Kelley were absolutely right to defend their characters' relationship towards Kirk, because that's where this film really shines. And Laurence Luckinbill actually gives what in my opinion is an interesting and underappreciated performance as Sybok.
Yes, the jokes are corny, the story is uninspired, the effects are subpar, the in-universe continuity is abysmal, and the supporting bridge crew members are treated unfairly, but it's still a decently diverting Star Trek flick - just not exactly one of the best.
McCoy: you'll have a great time bones. You will enjoy your shore leave... you'll be able to relax. You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck! If I'm not careful I'll end up talking to myself 😂😂😂😂
I couldn't help but notice your pain. It runs deep... Share it with me!
Honestly I love this movie, through and through. Maybe it helps that it came out on video when I was 10 and it was (at the time) my favorite movie and I watched it over and over. But even now as a middle-aged person, I still love it. Sure, I see it's flaws and the faults in the technical portrayal of the ship and certain story elements don't fit seamlessly into the rest of the Star Trek narrative (Klingons, Romulans, and the UFP jointly settled Nimbus III? ... during the TOS third season? ... right...) But in many ways I see this as the most TOS of the TOS movies. Overcoming god-like entities was a staple of the show that has really been gotten away from in latter day Trek. ST5 was kind of the last hurrah into that kind of story (Q and the Prophets notwithstanding). Also, I feel that this was one of the stronger outings as far as the Big Three relationship goes. Kirk, Spock and McCoy play off each other brilliantly. And I like the acting, for the most part. The only scenes that are really hard to watch are Shatner's delivery in the brig scenes and all of the Uhura and Scotty are dating (?!?!) scenes. What really makes the film shine for me is Kirk's speech to Sybok about how our flaws are what make us who we are... "I want my pain. I need my pain!" is a sentiment that means a lot to me personally (for personal reasons I mean). So, yeah, people think this one is a stinker and that's their privilege, but, for my money, this is still one of my favorites.
well Spock never mentioned his sister either. He just doesn't talk about his family.
This has been and always shall be my favorite Star Trek movie for one simple reason. It is the only one that felt like a TV episode, and at the end of the day, that is all I ever wanted from any of the Star Trek movies.
But then you've proved the point of many who dislike the movie... it simply isnt a movie on scope or quality :)
There are plenty of episodes that are far better. It feeling like an episode isn't a pass in my book. Insurrection felt like an episode as well, but in reality it is just an underbaked movie.
Did you mean to say it was tonally closer to the show?
Unfortunately it comes down to the director being familiar with the source material. Watch interviews with Leonard Nimoy vs Shatner about Star Trek. Mr. Nimoy remembered details about the original series and was well familiar with Star Trek, Mr.Shatner has admitted he doesn't even remember filming it. Mr.Shatner has even said from film to film all the sets were destroyed which is ridiculous because all the way to Voyager certain Motion Picture set parts were used. Mr. Shatners unfamiliarity with Star Trek itself is the first problem
When all of the problems of the Enterprise were revealed in the first bridge shot, I thought, 'Why is this ship even manned? It's obviously not ready for service. Even if the life support with it's triple redundancy is installed it's nowhere near ready to embark. You don't assign a full crew compliment to a ship until you are within a week or two ready for a shakedown.' Although Kirk's question, "What does God need with a starship?" was classic and very apropos.
It was just an extreme example of the Enterprise being "the only available ship in the sector".
@@ThreadBomb With that state of operability you call that 'available'? Available for a run to the moon maybe. Definitely not available for a standard Star Fleet mission, and this mission was far from standard. In this scenario (a fleet of warp capable ships), you should have at least one fully operational ship at Earth at all times (except when it is dealing with a crisis) even if that means pulling a ship from exploration. Very bad planning on Starfleet's part. Have no Idea why Starfleet doesn't have a 'Home Guard' fleet.
This was the first Trek movie that I saw in theaters. I was 7 at the time. I didn't notice all the plot holes back then, but I definitely do now. How the Hell did Bill let the film get this bad?
Inexperience mixed with ego probably!
And no one took him aside and said 'Bill, this story just doesn't work, man'...
Just discovered your channel. Like what I've seen so far. Subscribed. Looking forward to watching your past videos... and future videos.
I still remember the kid saying to his friend while walking out of the theater behind us : " That was weak."
Kirk: unable to comply... get ready to initiate emergency landing plan B! Chekhov: what's emergency landing plan B? Scotty: I haven't a clue! Kirk: B as in barricade. Scotty: he can't be serious. Sybok: what are you doing? Kirk: in order to lower and reraise as quickly as possible we are forgoing the tractor beam and flying her in manually. Bones: manually? Sybok: how many times have you done this? Sulu: actually it's my first attempt! Kirk: he's good.... really good lol
Best scene tbh. That's and scotty hitting his head
@@beepthemeep12 that's a great scene
They didn't have a clue to the plot either.
the best parts of the movie are: Sybok exploring Mccoy's and Spock's personal pain, Jerry Goldsmith's score and the dialogue from Kirk about "God Needing a Starship"
The only defence I would offer is that the film had some nice, warm character moments, especially between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Not nearly enough to redeem it of course. But more of that in the other films would have been welcome.
It was bad. There were two good lines
1) "Dammit sir you WILL try!"
2) "Excuse me, Id like to ask a question...what does God need with a Starship?
" 'You'll have a great time, Bones. You'll enjoy your shore leave. You'll be able to relax.' You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck. If I'm not careful, I might end up talking to myself."
"I've always known I'll die alone."
"I liked him better before he died."
"I am well-versed in the classics, Doctor.
"
"Then how come you don't know Row, Row, Row Your Boat?"
"All my knowledge and I can't save him."
"I need my pain!"
"Please, Captain, not in front of the Klingons." (though I dislike this line)
"I've lost a brother.
"Yes. I lost a brother once. I was lucky, I got him back.
"
"I thought you said men like us don't have families.
"
"I was wrong."
"Maybe He's not out there, Bones. Maybe He's right here... the human heart."
I agree that it is one of the worse films but I still enjoyed it
I don't love it, but I definitely don't hate it. It's entertaining enough for a quiet Sunday afternoon. I watch it passively.
The Uhura dancing part has always been cringe worthy. Would take rock monsters over that scene.
i thought this movies was ok, my favorite star trek movie and my mom's and my brother's is star trek 4
That's also a favorite among many trek fans!
This was one of my favourites as a kid. We had the vhs box set of the first 5 films, I watched this one more then Search and Voyage. I also think I quote this one more then the others too. I’m weird though as I prefer TMP over Khaaaaaaaannnnnn!
I always put everything going wrong on the Enterprise down to a rushed refit and her not getting a proper shakedown. Has Discovery made any mention of Sybok?
But, but, the marshmelon dispenser!
That you could get from i think a cereal box promo :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios it's true, you could! It was like 5 "Count Chocula"box tops or something, and they got sued because it blinded someone or something like that, but they DID have it.
Ricardo Montalban combined with a great call-back to an original episode made for a great, character-driven movie
9:45 "Associates & Farron"? That sounds like Farron and his Associates had an argument over who was more important, and Farron lost.
The camp fire scene is still gold .
There was some great ideas in the Movie, Nimbus III, A planet that was supposed to be an attempt for the 3 great powers to develop. That was a cleaver idea and had the movie focused on betrayal there by the Romulans, you can almost see the Federation and Klingons start their journey to being allies. Here is the Biggest weakness of the movie, It was supposed to be the Last TOS Style Movie. Because of that, they tried to Pack as much into it as possible. When movie companies try that tactic, It generally hurts the movie. Bad Writing and lack of ordinal Ideas was its downfall. And the Fan Dance!!!!
Please sir, not in front of the Klingons.
This movie contains the best interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Doctor McCoy in the entire franchise. We get to see them camping, not on a mission. Roasting marshmallows and singing around a campfire. I play just that scene sometimes. Saved the movie for me.
Another quality video thanks keep them coming
Thank you so much~
"Was it that bad?" YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Also, I preferred when STV was "The Magicks of Magus-Tu".
LOL
Only because the studio kept taking from the budget
@@justinschmitz8034 No they didnt, as stated in the video the budgets stayed at the almost 28 mil mark!
I was on a student exchange in Japan at the time, and after my friends in the US had seen it, they phoned my dorm just to warn me not to see it. Unfortunately (probably fortunately for Paramount), they had done a same-day release of the movie in Japan as well as the US. So when my friends called to warn me, I was had my question ready to ask, "So, what did you think was worse? The laughing Vulcan or the Romulan bimbo?"
My friends in Japan and I had all gotten on trains, spent the ten bucks (equivalent) each to get to Shinjuku, twelve bucks to get into the movie, and 20 bucks to go to some watering hole to try to convince ourselves that we didn't just completely waste a trip. (Then another ten bucks for the train ride back). Yes, it was really that bad, and yes, Star Trek fans were warning other Star Trek fans to not see it.
One of my favorites, and read the book, too. The spirituality aspect attracted me, as well. Never a dull moment, it had a quick pace.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it has always fascinated me how one fan can hate something while another one loves it :) For me, it was a very dull movie with a horrible uneven pace...
I liked it. The introduction of a Spock brother was no big deal to me because a lot of the Trek books do the same thing, introduce new characters to the Star Trek world. Also, I liked that it was more space based. I didn’t care for Trek 4 because it was in the world I already lived in. You couldn’t have told me back then it had a bigger budget because it lacked anything new in the way of sets and effects. I would have figured it for the Least amount spent on a Trek movie.
It's intensely problematic, but I just wanted to bring up a few things I personally admire.
1) the opening sequence is shot beautifully. Sybock's slow mo entrence on the horse-thing is gorgeous. There's something about the film stocks being used in the late-80's/early-90's that I really love. Many films of that era have a similarly sun-drenched, washed out look.
2) I maintain that Lewis Luckinbill's performance is very, very good. I was kind of shocked I'd never heard of him, and that he hasn't done much since. Seems like he's primarily a theater guy. But I feel he has a distinct screen presence and ample charm.
3) The "illusion"-scene with DeForest Kelly and his dad is actually kind of incredible. I'm genuinely surprised he was nominated for a Razzie. I mean, whatever. It's The Razzies.
5) The idea of the neglected backwater planet where mediocre diplomats go to be exiled is potentially fascinating.
I agree Luckinbills performance WAS great, but again a great performance in a horrible movie doesnt say much...
I also love the McCoy/ dad scene!
And yes the idea of a planet like that is great, but the execution in this movie wasnt! And I look at what was for these reviews, not what the ideas could have been :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I agree. A very interesting conversation would be, "Great Performances in Mediocre Films". Within that conversation, I would definitely include Luckinbill's in "Star Trek 5".
I enjoyed your vid here, btw. Dutifully honest analysis of an unfortunately very flawed film.
Thank you so much, it's always hard to give an honest review for a franchise you love...
The only good thing about STV was that this was Gerry Goldsmith's best Star Trek score. If you only had seen Star Trek 1 through 4 and listen to the soundtrack for TFF, you would have thought the movie was some epic sci-fi adventure where the Enterprise goes on the journey of a lifetime and butts heads with Klingons along the way. The music was big, bombastic, and full of energy throughout. That score deserved a better film to accompany.
The music score was indeed great! But alas a music score can complete a film but not make one...
Maybe this is sacrilege coming from a Star Wars fan (one who loves the Prequels, no less) but Star Trek V is tied with Wrath of Khan as my favorite Star Trek film. I admit that, akin to the Christopher Reeve Superman films of the 70's and 80's, the effects start looking "worse and worse" with each subsequent film, and Star Trek V has one of the strangest plots of the entire franchise (I mean secret half-brother, really?) I found it quite enjoyable.
Although bits of the film can be a bit laughable at times, my favorite scene in this film is when Sybock tries to tempt Bones and Spock into joining him by making them face their greatest pain. Sybock does it in such a cult-leader like way, nearly converting them to follow him while in their weakest state. Kirk's excellent rebuttal: "If we lose (our pain) we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away. I need my pain." And, of course, the excellent chemistry of the actors working off of each other - especially Shatner's signature hammy delivery - I don't know, I just always loved this scene and by extension the entire film.
If you don't take it overly seriously, it's really a fun ride with a great moral message and more great performances from the TOS cast. I couldn't really get into Star Trek for years (my parents were big Next Gen fans... but I just couldn't get into it) and these feature films really got me into Gene Roddenberry's excellent creation. Star Trek V is just the right amount of cheese, seriousness, great character moments, and odd plots for me to really enjoy it.
But I really like out-there sort of movies (Batman & Robin... Spider-Man 3... Spaceballs) and, while it's not good to see a series become a parody of itself, I think this film inches away from the line just enough to be enjoyable. At least, for me anyways. Without it (and II - VI) I wouldn't be a Star Trek fan today.
Another great video, thank you for sharing :)
Thank you so much :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you're welcome my friend 👌🏽 🙂
The studio gave William Shatner a sandbox, and he didn't really know what to do with it. It's a join the dots film a bit of action here and bit of comedy there and maybe a set piece. most long running franchises have a film like this. And as you said it came at the end of the second series of next gen so it was like the original cast saying well we are still here. Don't hate the film but wouldn't go out of my way to watch it as a stand-alone thing I usually tend to marathon the films.
Yes, actors dont always make great producers and directors...
So I recently got the novel of this and it is based on an earlier version of the script. It has the rock monsters as well as stuff comparing Jim's relationship with his own brother to his relationship to Spock and Spock's relationship with Sybok
Ive read the novel as well... What did you think of it?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Better than the film but still not great
yes it is. horrible continuity errors. i mean really... when the trio rocketed up the turboshaft... seriously... more than 78 decks...? the time it takes them to get to the center of the galaxy... sigh. i wont even dignify that one. the actual center of the galaxy being dominated by a black hole, not some "mysterious planet" pathetic attempts at humor ( scotty hitting his head leaps to mind ) i repeat... yes, its that bad. in fact, its horrible.
I used to have the VHS of this movie so I have seen it more than the others. It's actually pretty fun to watch as long as you don't dig too hard. Then you watch the other movies and realize this movie ain't so good. First Contact was probably my favorite. Then wrath of Khan comes after. Watching the enterprise ram the scimitar in theaters was my third.
It almost feels like two disjointed movies. You had Sybok as a "charismatic" cult leader as a villain, which was dropped as soon as they made it through the barrier. Suddenly, they're all working together and apparently the brainwashing of the crew just "went away"? We're then suddenly given a new villain with no setup or explanation. It's just a big, evil energy creature. When you look at the previous "god" creatures you mentioned in the video, there was something to most of the stories. You kind of felt for Apollo's loneliness at the end. Trelane could be both charming and petulant. When it's revealed what he is, it all fits together and you can relate.
Yeah there were a LOT of plot holes!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I know you don't count novelizations, but they actually did add one bit that explained one aspect. Sybok was a genius when it came to shield technology and altered the Enterprise's shields to enter the barrier. The Klingons were able to scan the changes and adapt theirs as well. The movie makes it seem like faith or something.
@@carlrood4457 Indeed they did, and I remember the novel well... However you should NEVER have to read a novel for a movie to make sense...
10:37 - always wondered why the bus passengers didn’t think Spock killed that guy.
But you never answered the biggest question, What does God need with a star ship?
Of course I didnt, that's Gods question to answer :P
Do you think it falls into the category of "It's so bad it's good"?
Hmmm, I think it's ok, that if it was an episode it would have been fine... But dont think it crosses in to the "bad it's good" category...
No, it is so bad it is frustrating, simply because it has good aspects and could have been amazing!
I have a very bad copy of the NES game in my collection (I work in the games industry) and it's definitely on the same level as Atari's ET..great video as usual
thank u for all of the great content!!!!
You are VERY welcome :)
I liked the general premise, but I too felt that it could've been expanded in the more important areas (the Kirk, Spock, McCoy friendship aspect) and less in the Naked Uhura, 3-boobed Cat women, endless pointless scenes in the desert.
I came up with a much better idea of a rogue Vulcan (Sybok) wreaking havoc everywhere he goes, stealing star ships, growing an army of followers and leaving nothing but a trail of destruction behind him. We could still have the Spock/Sybok half brother deal, but when Kirk questions Spock on it.... have it be more of a sore topic. Spock refusing to acknowledge his brother and Spock's family abandoning Sybok. Which in turn would create an even greater dynamic between Sybok and Spock with Sybok trying to gain his brothers' affection. I would change Sybok into Spock's younger brother, and also born of an emotional tryst that Sarek went off on , again cementing the fact that Sybok has been excommunicated and not spoken of.
Sybok's quest remains the same; him stopping at nothing trying to prove his merit by locating Sha-ka-Ree.
In the end, it would be an even greater emotional shock when as it turns out, the God is false and just some sort of creature trapped on the planet. (I still love Kirk's question of "What does God need with a Starship?") it's a moment of logic that even Spock would've been proud of. The final portion being Sybok realizing the error of his ways and that his emotionalism has caused nothing but pain and suffering - both to his family and virtually everybody he's come in contact with - sacrifices himself in one final move towards redemption.
The PERFECT ending would've been Spock and Kirk and McCoy discussing the events around the fire with a noticeably despondent Spock. When pushed to speak about the subject, Spock looks up with a tear falling from his eye, speaking the line "Yes Jim. I had a brother....."
The movie should've emphasized the family aspect and relationships more than anything. It certainly would've added some much needed character development.
Like Insurrection, it was good for a Star Trek episode or two-parter. Not as good for a movie.
It definitely has its great moments. The character interaction between Kirk, Spock, and Bones is perfect. The Enterprise falling apart is cool. Even the planet of intergalactic peace idea is interesting if done well.
I've always enjoyed Star Trek V. It has a great "Star Trek" feel to it, and Goldsmith's score is fantastic. The only complaint that I've ever had is with regard to the loss of ILM and the poor looking space shots. If Paramount could have released a 30th Anniversary version with all the space shots redone by ILM, that would have been awesome and fixed this film as far as I'm concerned. Years ago, there was a guy on UA-cam remaking the space shots as 3D animations, and that was even a nice improvement.
You hit the nail right on the head with everything. It was not only the worst TOS movie, but the worst Trek movie released. One thing you mentioned is the discovery of Spock having a half-brother. After all these years prior to the movie thinking he was an only child (and that Sarek was widowed before Amanda), this even reminded me why I also dislike ST: Discovery so much because, once again, Spock all of a sudden had a step-sister. You're definitely correct that in order to have a great movie, you don't need a huge budget. Just have a great story.
Thank you so much!
And in Star trek V, I got a terrific performance out of me because I respected me so much. William Shatner
Over 70 decks that aren’t in order and some that are in there more then once...
Which would have made it bigger than the Ent.-D or _E or JJPrise BTW...
Sean McGrath - Exactly...just so little attention to detail.
"Garygnack! Garygnack!" I was not bored with STV. I liked it. But that's me.
Everyones entitled to their opinion of course :)
I always figured the God creature was still alive and remains trapped on the planet. The torpedo strike dissipated it, then it regrouped to pursue Kirk Spock and McCoy.
Spock blasted it with disruptors giving everyone time to get back into space but the creature is still down there.
I've also been curious as to what secret pain Sybok would have shown to Captain Kirk had he not refused
GREAT opening xD Loves.
Thank you :)
Was it a good movie? Does God need a spaceship?
I see what you did there :P
Now you've got me analyzing things. In terms of a bad/poorly executed story/script I would objectively have to say Generations is also a bad story. Ghostbusters II was a bad story.
Sybok as Spock's half brother may have come out of nowhere but so did Kirk's son in Star Trek II. Kirk has a fully grown son? Carol who?
I don't recall Kirk ever mentioning these people before.
Anyway 30 years later and William Shatner has outlived his critics, still attends Trek events, still does spokesperson work and has another television gig going on. That man knows how to live long and prosper.
OOOOO Ive rubbed off on you eh? :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios congrats on breaking 30 K subs. I like your new homepage setup too
Thank you so much! Im so happy so many people are loving and becoming a part of this community :)
As bad as some say ST 5 is-- and I'm probably starting a fight here-- I'll take that over Enterprise any day.
Not at all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion! You keep doing you! :)
This is a movie that has select scenes that have excellent character interactions and that's really unique
Just think of the film as Captain Kirks dream. From the camp scene with 'goodnight captain...' to the end scene back in the camp
3 breasted cat woman 13:27 FTW! I've wondered a long time if that's a Caitian, Ferasan or something else.
Hopefully Trek will answer this question in the future :P
I'm leaning toward Ferasan, but I prefer to think that she was intended to be a Kzinti... that is if Larry Niven was more receptive to having his work appear on more than just an Animated Series episode.
I like to use the example of James Cameron, behind schedule and with the studio breathing down his neck, offering to give up his salary in exchange for more time to complete "Titanic." I wonder if Paramount would've gone for it if Shatner (who was getting one salary to star, and another to direct) had offered to give up some of that money to pay for better effects and just more time to improve his film. I think a real artist would've considered making such a sacrifice.
The Writers Guild strike 88 also affected TNG season 2... Because had they not gone on strike there would have been a whole season story arc about the Borg.
Indeed it did... And although better then S1 of TNG S2 was still pretty bad overall, even before the Strike!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios so true , that's why I like season 3 the best
I think for me, s3,4 and 5 are tied :)
Purchased this on Laser-Disc for $1.99 never even opened it. I do like watching all of them from time to time.
On the topic of canon,do you consider anything discussed on the 1976 Inside Star Trek record, as Gene wrote the scripts for each of the segments
I consider everything written by those about behind the scenes stuff of Star Trek... However, in order to be included as fact in any of my videos, every story must be confirmed by at least 2 other independent sources... IE If Shatner says Gene was a womanizer and Nichols and Herb Sollow say the same thing, then chances are he was... If Gene says he created the Klingons, but 15 other sources say he didnt, then chances are he was lying!
Do starships have bathrooms?
I do agree with you that this was the worst Movie "Cringe in Agony" is a good way to describe it. That dose not mean i hate it but to be honest it nearly finished me with the movies and i thought this is it there will be no more ! But 2 years latter they came back with The Undiscovered Country and that blew me away. I thought to my self at the time though this is brilliant but please no more end on a high. And they did.
With Star Trek five the thing that killed it for me was the complete disregard of continuity , the Enterprise having 70 decks etc. One big thing that annoyed the hell out of me was when Kirk and company beam down to nimbus and leave Chekov in command???? a Commander What about Captain Scott an experienced combat officer!
There is loads to pick holes in though it dose have some good parts like the scean with Dr Mcoy and his father.
Thank you another good one.
Live long and prosper (:
The "Spock's Brain" of Star Trek movies.
Except Spock's Brain was better :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Agreed...I actually LIKE "Spock's Brain", it's a hilarious episode if you don't think about it too much. This...this movie just hurts...a lot...and it isn't even funny...😥
I think what hurt the movie the most was the special effects.
Especially when the Enterprise darts out of the way of the Klingon torpedo at Nimbus 3. It was almost Roadrunner like. Meep! Keep! BLBLBLBLBLBL!! Meep! Meep!
nice video tri :D
Thanks Germie!
Wasn’t the budget repeatedly cut? That’s a bit different from starting with a number and sticking with it. Not saying that exonerates it or anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
No that was the finalized budget!
To be quite honest I found the false god trope in TOS to its worst aspect. Don't blame me, blame Stargate SG-1 for doing it perfectly. :)
I never saw the Rock Monster ?? I saw a see through floating head that looked like a Roman God that shot Laser's out of its eye's ???
I’ve always enjoyed its campiness. I understand the complaints against it and enjoy it despite and because of them. To each their own I suppose. I also dislike Star Trek iv. I guess I’m just odd.
Everyones entitled to their own opinion!
Very true. And I appreciate your episodes. Keep making them.
I don't hate the movie, I don't love the movie. It's something different to watch.
I read the book before I saw the movie and it is a considerable improvement over the film.
I felt the movie had a strong sense of family (Kirk, Spock McCoy and the rest), and that is enough for me to enjoy it.
Awesome video. I totally agree with your analysis of the movie. The plot was a little all over the place. Too bad the writer's strike occurred. Damn it man (Wendy William voice) lol. One of my dislikes of the movie is that the writers trying to convince that Starfleet was that lazy in building a starship. Why is it in almost every movie the admiral(s) always say, "you're the closest ship" or the they happen to be the only ship? Where is the rest of the fleet? Smh. Anyway, on a positive note, I thought it was an okay movie. It was like watching a DS9 episode (somewhat). I say that because you get a bit of everything, like science, action, religion, etc. Spock's brother look on life had me reevaluate my own faith in God and to start sharing my struggles with Him verses thinking I can take care of them all on my own and each time I would fail. When he said things like, "Share your pain with me and draw strength from the sharing." "Lets face them those demons together." (paraphrasing) . It's like...words can't describe it. Like I felt complete. But I have to continue doing it or else I would slip back into thinking I can solve them on my own.
The Uhura dance was the best part of the Star Trek V
Another great video. Whether Star Trek V was good or bad isn't as important as a question that was asked in the movie. I don't think it was answered in the movie. Neither in any other Star Trek movie or episode. Perhaps season one of Star Trek: Picard or even season three of Star Trek: Discovery will finally answer that question. What does God need with a starship? 😛
The trouble with the Final Frontier is timing. It followed what is the most beloved Star Trek film for non fans. My partner Katie and our daughters love the Voyage Home and yet they are not trekkers. Plus the Voyage Home is the funniest out of all the Star Trek films and it had a awesome story and let's not forget the Final Frontier is nestled between the Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country which is brilliant. Especially that edge of your seat battle sequence. Undiscovered Country also had some great humour. Kirk: I can't believe I kiss you lol
I don't want to defend this film as I really don't like it, but I do need to point out the fact Spock never telling Kirk about having an embarrassing brother is in character. In TOS, Spock did not tell Kirk his father was the Ambassador of Vulcan until Kirk asked if he wanted to visit his family on Vulcan and he told him Sherrak was his father. And this is a father he had arguments with, but ultimately respected. We also see further examples where he doesn't tell Kirk he had fiance until it was time to mate with her. Nor did he tell Kirk his plan to save the ship in the Wrath of Khan. Now imagine an embarrassing brother that disappeared from his life, I don't think a private person like Spock would mention him until he considered it relevant.
However, that is where the defense is for it would have been a character for Spock to tell Kirk the moment he realized who the leader of the hostage-takers is. So I do see him telling Kirk out of a sense of loyalty. Not to mention duty as they build a psyche profile to make a plan in freeing the hostages.
Im sorry but I disagree... Sure Spock never told Kirk about his Father being the Vulcan Ambassador BUT he spoke of his parents often in TOS during S1, so Kirk knew he had them and that his mother was human and his father was Vulcan... So it would be out of character for Spock not to mention he HAD a brother... He may not reveal the circumstances surrounding that brother, but he would have said he had one!
The big problem with STV is its *tone.* STIV was a breakout hit with its comedic approach, so the producers tried to make STV a comedy even though it was a more serious story. This tone-deaf approach is the main reason the movie is difficult to watch. I'm not worried about the Sybok revelation - all sorts of things about these characters were unknown until the writers suddenly decided to introduce them; this is no different.
There were some good moments, most notably the Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes, which I think everyone enjoys. Plus the line "What does God need with a starship?" is a classic.
One day I'd like to do a fan edit of STV. Apart from polishing some clunky moments, I think removing most of the "jokes" would greatly improve the movie. I think I would also remove Spock on the Klingon ship at the end, as it weakens the idea of the Klingons becoming allies (and the "not in front of the Klingons" joke is unfunny and not appropriate to Spock's character).
(I have a lot of other ideas for the fan edit, but won't list them all here!)
Wow! I've never been this early! What a moment to behold!
LOL well good morning! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It's adternoon for me, but thanks for responding! :)
LOL See it's morning for me, but then Good afternoon, and no problem :)
But, what does God need with a Starship?
That is one of the best lines in the film. Yeah, Shatner knew it and overplayed it, but it still was.
It's flawed but has some good things going on. It's really the only TOS movie that deals with the Kirk, Spock, and McCoy Trinity. It's quotable as hell! "What Does God Need With A Starship?" I actually used this line at work the other day. There are some funny moments. Kirk: "I need a shower." Spock: "Yes." Also, that "share your pain" scene is one of the best Trek moments of all. Wierd that DeForest Kelly won a Razzy because his acting in that scene with him and his father is probably the best performance he ever did as McCoy.
I think this movie would've been great with tighter writing and ILM doing the effects. I don't think Shatner was that bad at directing. Maybe by this point everybody was tired of Star Trek. Oh yeah, the score! Jerry Goldsmith is great. The "Busy Man" theme is beautiful. I heard it on a Star Trek CD I had and was like "where is this from? Holy Crap!!! Star Trek V!!!"
Hmm... Well, let me start by saying what I liked about the movie. I loved the idea and concept of a diplomatic planet that was so out of the way that the "Diplomats" were the three main powers cast-offs. They could have done SO much with just that concept. I liked the concept of shore leave on Earth taken by the main cast doing things together... So much so that I can see them sneaking in the Row Row Row Your Boat singalong (nothing else, just that) ... Oh, and the idea of Uhuras' fan dance. Sorry, I had a crush on her since TOS.
What I didn't like... Pretty much ANYTHING else. ILM working on Howard the Duck (yes, Star Trek was preempted by Howard the Duck). The complete unnecessary "God" Sybok, and mind control story! The stupidity of the portrayal of the Klingons! I was SO excited as I introduced my wife to Star Trek with The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home, and then we get Marshmellons?! Luckily, she didn't judge the rest of science fiction by Star Trek V.
Star Trek V and Howard the Duck are great movies to have playing in the background when you're with friends just to spark all kinds of humor and jokes.
Thank you for the review! That had to be a hard review to compile.
Thank you so much! And yes it was hard, I never like to speak ill of Trek even when it's true... But like all things, you have the ups and the downs! :)
Ive always wanted to go back to Nimbus in Trek. I liked the idea in ST online that by the start of the 25th century all 3 powers had just walked away from it washed their hands. Now its being run like a private fiefdom by the Orion Syndicate. Its a smuggler, pirate and black market haven.
@@paulgrattan8343 I agree that the "Planet of Peace" was a great idea. I don't know if it's been much explored in the novels.