Anyone else think they should have made a half-hour sitcom spinoff based on them? Star Trek: Nimbus III. It could have been based around the trio's squabbles and the difficulties in trying to govern that waste of a world.
That WOULD be a funny series to watch. Two drunken cynics and a young idealist bickering with one another over everything and having to put up with the scum that inhabits Nimbus III.
Very very interesting atypical portrayals of each race here. The snarky and depressed Federation citizen, the lazy and largely indifferent Klingon, and the eager and peace minded Romulan.
It's actually a bridge of consistency to the TNG era. You have an Peace-Minded, Idealistic Romulan who volunteered to go to the Planet of Galactic Peace, you got to figure that her superiors were glad to be rid of her, knowing what we know of them in the 24th Century.
How could they cut this out?! This funny scene could've made some difference in the overall opinion in the end! 1:48: the Klingon sounds like a dog yapping a little! XD
The Shatner cut was 2 hours 5 minutes and Harve Bennett wanted it to be 1 hour 45 minutes so it could be shown at more theatre times. 20 min had to go.
This scene should have been in the film for two reasons. First, David Warner. Don't need to say anymore. Second, the idea of Nimbus III being a token 'peace project' needed a bit more development. Maybe this scene isn't what is should have been, but at least it adds a bit to that aspect of the story.
This scene is full of stupid errors which really should've been noticed in the script. 1). Why does Koord/Romulan woman/David Warner character not have a universal translator? The whole point of them being there is supposed to be interaction with the Federation, the Romulans and the Klingons. Not being able to talk to each other makes that stupidly hard 2). Why would poverty and starvation ever be a problem with matter replicators, no matter how barren the planet got? 3). Why does the Romulan woman want Koord to speak ENGLISH? The film as it is overcomes these issues.
The ending of this film is missing the one very important scene when Kordd (The Klingon General on the bridge) orders Captain Klaa to beam him aboard the Bird of Prey. Everyone on the bridge is surprised by this and they assume that Kordd is ditching them. Then the surprised look on Kirk's face when he is beamed aboard from the planet below has more impact when he sees Spock and Kordd on the Klingon ship. (this is from the novel).
"May I ask you, Miss Dar, what terrible mistake you've made to get yourself banished to this place, the armpit of the universe?" "I volunteered." An interesting scene; a pity it wasn't included in the final cut (it would have improved a notoriously disappointing entry in the Star Trek canon). Nice to see the lovely Cynthia Gouw given a chance to show her acting chops
She volunteered because according to the novel, she was one quarter Human and was heavily discriminated against by her superiors and was only given crappy diplomatic assignments so since she had nothing to lose, she volunteered for Nimbus III as she felt that it was her best chance to do something positive even if it was a long shot.
@@girlgarde Thank you for the clarification; I wasn't aware that there was a novelisation of this movie which provided some back story to this character
I know what is said here hehe in both English and Klingons and more :) CAITHLIN: There's hunger, poverty, no law enforcement. Yet the two of you...sit drinking. KOORD: QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu'. Hmph. (He definitely does *not* say
Cutting this scene was a mistake, it's just too funny, but it also gives some idea of the personalities of these three. I'm the odd man out, but I actually enjoy this movie. Truth to tell TMP is my least favorite, but I still enjoy watching it.
Holly Menhennett None of them were bad movies, but out of all of the Star Trek movies I'd say Nemesis, TMP and this are the weakest, while St 2, St 6 and Generations were the very best.
+Peter Campi First Contact was a great movie, but there's just something about the way they reworked the feel of the Star Trek universe for Generations, they made it seem more epic and mysterious, not to mention a fantastic score.
I have to admit that it wasn't that bad for an odd numbered ST movie and Malcolm McDowell was a good villain (who ironically became a star ship captain after this movie), I rate it second after The Search for Spock. Also I couldn't resist laughing at Data's comical relief moments. The movie also had a good reuse of The Excelsior (III, IV, VI), Bird of Prey (III-VII), The Reliant (II) and Grissom (III) models from the previous films.
T, nothing was as bad as the Jar Jar Abrams Treks. Instead of a timeline with all new actors excluding old Spock it would have been better to have actors(the original ones like Kate Mulgrew, Patrick Stewart, Johnathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis to name a few from the other TV series and an older Kirk, Chekov, and Takei(the original actors)somehow worked into a new timeline.
This scene is full of stupid errors which really should've been noticed in the script. 1). Why does Koord/Romulan woman/David Warner character not have a universal translator? The whole point of them being there is supposed to be interaction with the Federation, the Romulans and the Klingons. Not being able to talk to each other makes that stupidly hard 2). Why would poverty and starvation ever be a problem with matter replicators, no matter how barren the planet got? 3). Why does the Romulan woman want Koord to speak ENGLISH? The film as it is overcomes these issues.
@@BritishCommentWriter Replicators were a TNG era invention. They might be in a TOS era novel as an obvious extension of transporters - but onscreen they were something innovative to show the audience there's been a lot of progress and it was truly a next generation..
That was kinda cute. Appropriate to cut it but still fun. It’s interesting to see how Romulans were less treacherous at this point. Must have been what Shinzon alluded to with frequent changes of government.
Wow. I read about this scene in Shatner's making of Star Trek V book "Captain's Log" and the description of it was funny on paper. I have to say it's funny on screen too! Although the film would have still been mediocre overall.
This scene should have been left in because we get to find out what kind of characters these 3 are. And why they were picked to represent peace in the Galaxy.or what they act like together. ' A human , a Klingon , and a Romulan woman walk into the Nimbus three bar.........." ..Enter Captain James T.Kirk! Star Trek 5, " the missing scene !!" . .1989.
"Vulcans" = Elfs. "Romulans" = Dark Elfs. Thats how i've always seen them! While Humans are who we are, Klingons are Orcs, Andorians are Blue Goblins, Tellarites are Dwarves while Orions are Green Trolls. Star Trek and its aliens all have some; "fantasy" counterpart archetypes i've noticed over the years.
I think I see why they dumped this scene. It doesn't really add anything to the plot and how the storyline plays out. Plus it's a little bit R rated for a franchise based on a pretty much family friendly show like Star Trek.
It has been speculated that much of their culture is actually benign. OF COURSE their military is going to be a lot of bluster and saber-rattling; it's what a military DOES. But the Federation has had mostly military contact with the Romulan Empire as of the setting of this film. We see some of this in TOS in the episode, 'Balance of Terror' - our very first glimpse of the Romulans. The (unnamed) Romulan commander bitterly muses that their 'gift to the Praetor' will be another war, and questions 'Must it always be so?!'. The Federation crew sees none of this, of course; in fact, it is in this episode that we learn of the Romulan-Federation war, that the primitive technologies of the day permitted no quarter nor even visual communication, that the Federation's knowledge of the Romulans is limited, and the peace treaty was negotiated via subspace radio. If you ever get the chance, pick up an old STAR TREK novel, 'The Romulan Way'. I highly recommend it. Interspersed with a 'current day' story, there is a fairly detailed account of the history of the Romulan Empire - including the split with their Vulcan brethren, the long, difficult, and costly journey, and the origins of their rampant paranoia that led to the first Earth-Romulan war, and continued mistrust of the Federation. Yes, I'm quite the geek.
@@xaenon your reply and explination was very appreciated. I've seen TOS and remember the episode with Spock, I was just a little confused as to why this character in particular was so peace loving when Romulans were shown as being rather abrasive and antagonistic.
+Raymond St Paul This is a film that should be rebooted with new and enhanced special effects. The same way that the original series now has those excellent shots of the Enterprise and more. Bill Shatner really got screwed with ILM being busy with other major productions and the strike. This is my favorite ST film and it is mainly due to the novel, which is really insightful.
The one thing that made this Trek watchable was the beautiful scenery especially in the beginning and of course Cynthia Gouw. Almost wish I was camping in Yosemite Park now. Side note, the Kirk and Spock seen on the mountain was only a few feet off the ground in the parking lot hanging on the side of a fake El Capitan.The effects people sure did a good job making it look like he was hundreds of feet in the air.
THIS is in the novelization but not in the final cut of the movie. Shame. :( The movie itself is not extraordinary but man, it would have been so incredible, so *amazing* if it had looked like the novel. HONESTLY!
@@mikevanroy9356 I bought the audiobook on tape. I remember it was actually pretty good. Of course, I think I was 12 or 13 at the time, so it may have still been bad.
@jaxxstraw If she's so bad then why did she make me laugh out loud at the end? I think some of you are being a bit unfair because she's a beautiful woman who's out of your league.
Bad acting is obvious, it's atrocious. The scene needed to be cut. Poorly written but the incredibly awful acting by one of them gives me the douche-chills. The Klingon had the right idea....
I love the idea of a Klingon and a Human just hanging out with each other and drinking because they hate where there are. Especially in this era.
Hehe, it is pretty cool. This guy reminds me of Curzon Dax
Not like there's anything else to do.
I’d watch it.
I love the way St. John Talbot knows he's supposed to be disgusted by Korrd's open lechery, but just can't summon the energy anymore.
Anyone else think they should have made a half-hour sitcom spinoff based on them? Star Trek: Nimbus III. It could have been based around the trio's squabbles and the difficulties in trying to govern that waste of a world.
That WOULD be a funny series to watch. Two drunken cynics and a young idealist bickering with one another over everything and having to put up with the scum that inhabits Nimbus III.
Would've been totally hillarious
Star Trek: Three's Company.
Very very interesting atypical portrayals of each race here. The snarky and depressed Federation citizen, the lazy and largely indifferent Klingon, and the eager and peace minded Romulan.
thank you for pointing that out - quite true
It's actually a bridge of consistency to the TNG era. You have an Peace-Minded, Idealistic Romulan who volunteered to go to the Planet of Galactic Peace, you got to figure that her superiors were glad to be rid of her, knowing what we know of them in the 24th Century.
@@TONYGILLEY Very true, I like that.
"Screw you, too!" *dies laughing* Best line of the whole movie, and they cut it out!
And she probably won his respect.
@@hankkingsley9300 Yeah, Klingons respect strength and toughness and the Klingon here is still one despite being a lewd drunk.
I can't believe they cut this. It would have been the funniest scene of the movie.
How could they cut this out?! This funny scene could've made some difference in the overall opinion in the end!
1:48: the Klingon sounds like a dog yapping a little! XD
+Joel Szasz The girl playing Dar seems to not be the best actress in the world. That may be why this was cut.
The Shatner cut was 2 hours 5 minutes and Harve Bennett wanted it to be 1 hour 45 minutes so it could be shown at more theatre times. 20 min had to go.
This scene should have been in the film for two reasons. First, David Warner. Don't need to say anymore. Second, the idea of Nimbus III being a token 'peace project' needed a bit more development. Maybe this scene isn't what is should have been, but at least it adds a bit to that aspect of the story.
Numinous20111 Can I add a Third? The romulan lady is hot.
This scene is full of stupid errors which really should've been noticed in the script. 1). Why does Koord/Romulan woman/David Warner character not have a universal translator? The whole point of them being there is supposed to be interaction with the Federation, the Romulans and the Klingons. Not being able to talk to each other makes that stupidly hard 2). Why would poverty and starvation ever be a problem with matter replicators, no matter how barren the planet got? 3). Why does the Romulan woman want Koord to speak ENGLISH? The film as it is overcomes these issues.
Romulan ladies usually are
Hot, maybe, but a really terrible actress.
I'd like to think that Nimbus Three made some sort of turn around after the events of STV. The optimist in me likes to think that.
This scene alone would have made the movie five times better
There's lot of fun character moments in this movie that makes it difficult to completely write off
Always liked the Romulan ambassador. :D
At the end of the movie she looks even better
She is very wooden
She seems very optimistic for a Romulan
First Asian Romulan
Hey she does not seems like a Romulan at all.
The ending of this film is missing the one very important scene when Kordd (The Klingon General on the bridge) orders Captain Klaa to beam him aboard the Bird of Prey. Everyone on the bridge is surprised by this and they assume that Kordd is ditching them. Then the surprised look on Kirk's face when he is beamed aboard from the planet below has more impact when he sees Spock and Kordd on the Klingon ship. (this is from the novel).
+Landrew120880 And the Rock Monster, can't forget about that.
This is the best scene in the whole frigging movie.!
"May I ask you, Miss Dar, what terrible mistake you've made to get yourself banished to this place, the armpit of the universe?" "I volunteered." An interesting scene; a pity it wasn't included in the final cut (it would have improved a notoriously disappointing entry in the Star Trek canon). Nice to see the lovely Cynthia Gouw given a chance to show her acting chops
She volunteered because according to the novel, she was one quarter Human and was heavily discriminated against by her superiors and was only given crappy diplomatic assignments so since she had nothing to lose, she volunteered for Nimbus III as she felt that it was her best chance to do something positive even if it was a long shot.
@@girlgarde Thank you for the clarification; I wasn't aware that there was a novelisation of this movie which provided some back story to this character
R.I.P. David Warner.
Love that look on David Warner's face at 0:49!
I know what is said here hehe in both English and Klingons and more :)
CAITHLIN: There's hunger, poverty, no law enforcement. Yet the two of you...sit drinking.
KOORD: QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu'. Hmph.
(He definitely does *not* say
Cutting this scene was a mistake, it's just too funny, but it also gives some idea of the personalities of these three. I'm the odd man out, but I actually enjoy this movie. Truth to tell TMP is my least favorite, but I still enjoy watching it.
Holly Menhennett None of them were bad movies, but out of all of the Star Trek movies I'd say Nemesis, TMP and this are the weakest, while St 2, St 6 and Generations were the very best.
+T Hitsugaya You picked Generations over First Contact? You are brave. Or you just like scanning for lifeforms as much as Data....
+Peter Campi First Contact was a great movie, but there's just something about the way they reworked the feel of the Star Trek universe for Generations, they made it seem more epic and mysterious, not to mention a fantastic score.
I have to admit that it wasn't that bad for an odd numbered ST movie and Malcolm McDowell was a good villain (who ironically became a star ship captain after this movie), I rate it second after The Search for Spock. Also I couldn't resist laughing at Data's comical relief moments. The movie also had a good reuse of The Excelsior (III, IV, VI), Bird of Prey (III-VII), The Reliant (II) and Grissom (III) models from the previous films.
T, nothing was as bad as the Jar Jar Abrams Treks. Instead of a timeline with all new actors excluding old Spock it would have been better to have actors(the original ones like Kate Mulgrew, Patrick Stewart, Johnathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis to name a few from the other TV series and an older Kirk, Chekov, and Takei(the original actors)somehow worked into a new timeline.
WHY was this scene not left in?????
It would have been a memorable scene in an otherwise mediocre (at best) movie.
This scene is full of stupid errors which really should've been noticed in the script. 1). Why does Koord/Romulan woman/David Warner character not have a universal translator? The whole point of them being there is supposed to be interaction with the Federation, the Romulans and the Klingons. Not being able to talk to each other makes that stupidly hard 2). Why would poverty and starvation ever be a problem with matter replicators, no matter how barren the planet got? 3). Why does the Romulan woman want Koord to speak ENGLISH? The film as it is overcomes these issues.
Joseph Nichols I agree it's funny and has drinking
BritishCommentWriter I can only guess the romulan woman daar could speak Klingon as well as Terran but she seems new too the embassador position
@@BritishCommentWriter Replicators were a TNG era invention. They might be in a TOS era novel as an obvious extension of transporters - but onscreen they were something innovative to show the audience there's been a lot of progress and it was truly a next generation..
I really like this scene. Gives quite a bit of character between Kor and Talbot.
Korrd's been into the rotten Gagh again.
That’s what happens when you don’t eat it live
"Screw you too"
I wonder if this scene was planned in advance by Charles Cooper(Korrd) and David Warner(Talbot) just so they could get Cynthia Gouw to crack up?
She looks like tia carrere...
This should have stayed in.
In a novel, Nimbus III was destroyed by the same supernova that destroyed Romulus and Remus.
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
I don't think this was ever intended for the theatrical release. This had to be just for fun.
+Andrew H (Mike) This was in the original script. I remember it in both the novelization and DC comics adaptation.
in the novel of this same very movie, this scene was shown but the scene was cut out in the movie
This is all Shatner sensibility.
It was even in the movie Novel.
That was kinda cute. Appropriate to cut it but still fun. It’s interesting to see how Romulans were less treacherous at this point. Must have been what Shinzon alluded to with frequent changes of government.
David Warner played a Klingon in the Undiscovered Country.
And so ends Shatners only Trek directorship.
Risk....risk ...is..his business. To quote Kirk.
This Could've Helped The Movie a lot better
It certainly can't have made it worse.
Should've kept this in
I love this scene. A very good scene.
Looks like a fan-made skit.
Caitlin Dar, Romulan Ambassador to Paradise City,on The Planet of Galactic Peace
Nice. It's a shame the movie didn't really come together, but there are some great things in it.
General Korrd,of The Klingon High Command
Scotty's father was a Klingon!😶😱
I dont think being a diplomat on Nimbus 3 would be that bad. Id love to just get wasted all day with my Klingon bro
Wow. I read about this scene in Shatner's making of Star Trek V book "Captain's Log" and the description of it was funny on paper. I have to say it's funny on screen too! Although the film would have still been mediocre overall.
NX-2000 Excelsior was a Great Experiment...
That one worked about as well too.
She was the hottest Romulian I ever seen.
Well.... That clip was better than 90% of the rest of the movie. 🙄
I like this scene but I can see why it was deleted. It went on a bit long at the expense of the rest of the plot....(if one calls it a plot)
How many minutes of Star Trek V:The Final Frontier (1989) are deleted?
This scene should have been left in because we get to find out what kind of characters these 3 are. And why they were picked to represent peace in the Galaxy.or what they act like together. ' A human , a Klingon , and a Romulan woman walk into the Nimbus three bar.........." ..Enter Captain James T.Kirk! Star Trek 5, " the missing scene !!" . .1989.
I agree with the washed up Klingon! I would love to see her open her blouse! I always thought that Romulan was really hot!
Eh they're just Vulcans with actual feelings and passion
"Vulcans" = Elfs. "Romulans" = Dark Elfs. Thats how i've always seen them! While Humans are who we are, Klingons are Orcs, Andorians are Blue Goblins, Tellarites are Dwarves while Orions are Green Trolls. Star Trek and its aliens all have some; "fantasy" counterpart archetypes i've noticed over the years.
At the end of the movie she wears a dress that's showing her boobs....
@@MIMALECKIPL You should see the clip of the actress in star search 88, you get to see her in a bikini :-)
I think I see why they dumped this scene. It doesn't really add anything to the plot and how the storyline plays out. Plus it's a little bit R rated for a franchise based on a pretty much family friendly show like Star Trek.
No universal translators?
More Star Trek quotes with English and Klingon is here : www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/2008/October/msg00037.html
Korrd were K'mpek uniform.
They were played by the same actor.
Her acting lol
This is even worse than the rest of Star Trek V, but it isn't as bad as the best of Star Trek or Into Darkness.
The rumors are true. Romulan women ARE different.
She's not too bright. How could he be responding to everything she says without at least understanding English?
Whats' with the peace-loving Romulan?
It has been speculated that much of their culture is actually benign. OF COURSE their military is going to be a lot of bluster and saber-rattling; it's what a military DOES. But the Federation has had mostly military contact with the Romulan Empire as of the setting of this film.
We see some of this in TOS in the episode, 'Balance of Terror' - our very first glimpse of the Romulans. The (unnamed) Romulan commander bitterly muses that their 'gift to the Praetor' will be another war, and questions 'Must it always be so?!'.
The Federation crew sees none of this, of course; in fact, it is in this episode that we learn of the Romulan-Federation war, that the primitive technologies of the day permitted no quarter nor even visual communication, that the Federation's knowledge of the Romulans is limited, and the peace treaty was negotiated via subspace radio.
If you ever get the chance, pick up an old STAR TREK novel, 'The Romulan Way'. I highly recommend it.
Interspersed with a 'current day' story, there is a fairly detailed account of the history of the Romulan Empire - including the split with their Vulcan brethren, the long, difficult, and costly journey, and the origins of their rampant paranoia that led to the first Earth-Romulan war, and continued mistrust of the Federation.
Yes, I'm quite the geek.
@@xaenon your reply and explination was very appreciated. I've seen TOS and remember the episode with Spock, I was just a little confused as to why this character in particular was so peace loving when Romulans were shown as being rather abrasive and antagonistic.
I like her ear covers. That saves on make up time for pointed ears.
Such high hopes for this movie an what a disappointment in every way even the effects were lame.
+Raymond St Paul This is a film that should be rebooted with new and enhanced special effects. The same way that the original series now has those excellent shots of the Enterprise and more. Bill Shatner really got screwed with ILM being busy with other major productions and the strike. This is my favorite ST film and it is mainly due to the novel, which is really insightful.
The one thing that made this Trek watchable was the beautiful scenery especially in the beginning and of course Cynthia Gouw. Almost wish I was camping in Yosemite Park now. Side note, the Kirk and Spock seen on the mountain was only a few feet off the ground in the parking lot hanging on the side of a fake El Capitan.The effects people sure did a good job making it look like he was hundreds of feet in the air.
"A Klingon, a Romulan, and a Terran walk into a bar..." This is the single worst movie I have ever watched, it's great to watch high.
It’s odd that they’re revisiting it by having Sybok in “Strange New Worlds”.
THIS is in the novelization but not in the final cut of the movie. Shame. :( The movie itself is not extraordinary but man, it would have been so incredible, so *amazing* if it had looked like the novel. HONESTLY!
Giving this movie a novelization is proof that Trek fans will buy anything with Trek in the title.
@@mikevanroy9356 I bought the audiobook on tape. I remember it was actually pretty good. Of course, I think I was 12 or 13 at the time, so it may have still been bad.
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Nimbus III was ultimately destroyed when the Romulan supernova happened in a “Picard” novel.
Rivals Battlefield Earth as the Worst Cinematic Excrement of All Time.
Papa Woody The Last Jedi says hi. 😉
That is the worst Romulan I've ever seen, and some of the worst acting.
WTF?
Damn this movie was bad.
Are Romulan women different?
That's what I heard.
Ask Donatra.
Gotta wonder what favors she called in to get the part. Horrible actress.
@evrbody Criticising her because she's out of your league perhaps?
She's a terrible actress.
Gosh, this movie was awful.
What a terrible actress.
Oh my God what a terrible scene. Such terrible cliché, stupid dialogue. And honestly, that Romulan looks ridiculous.
Good cut. This is garbage.
Terrible movie...
She's a bloody awful actress isn't she?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought so. I'm glad they cut this.
@jaxxstraw If she's so bad then why did she make me laugh out loud at the end? I think some of you are being a bit unfair because she's a beautiful woman who's out of your league.
Bad acting is obvious, it's atrocious. The scene needed to be cut. Poorly written but the incredibly awful acting by one of them gives me the douche-chills. The Klingon had the right idea....
marcy Denville I don't see any bad acting here. It made me laugh out loud so I think the acting was alright.
I'm so happy Star Trek isn't like this anymore.
I'd rather have this star trek back.
this kind of star trek should come back
@Jake I bet you're regretting your words now.
R.I.P. David Warner