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We're Not Mad, We're Just Disappointed (Netflix She-ra Episode 11 Review)
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2019
- Our review of episode 11 of She-ra and the Princesses of Power, "Promise". We know that this is a well-liked episode, even among those who are critical of the show. We liked that this episode was more character focused and didn't focus too much on drawn-out comic moments, but we felt that it was too focused on Catra and Adora was sidelined. It's okay to disagree. At least Glimmer isn't in this episode.
IMO this season needed to focus on five things:
1. Adora's character development and training as She-ra.
2. The Rebellion's struggle against The Horde where we actually see them fight.
3. Catra's development as a villain and her place in The Horde.
4. Shadoweaver's reasons as to why she's obsessed with getting Adora back.
5. Actually have Hordak do something other than sitting there...MENACING!
Lower the silly-billy humor and trim the useless fat (like Princess Prom) and the show might be decent.
sooooo, a reboot for this reboot?
"Useless fat" is this show, and frankly some of the characters. Pure fat.
>trim the useless fat (like Spinnerella)...
fixed that for you.
Personally, I think waiting on Hordak would be fine as a way to build tension. However, we know they can't build to a climactic payoff to save their lives, so it's just a moot point.
Hordark is just like Thanos before Infinity War, just sitting there lol
@@blackmamba1403 at least Thano's minions where competent.
Along with the others here, I like your deeper thinking about this subject. The episodes is really imbalanced and does give insight into Noelle's preferences. I never delved into why, but I was quite dissatisfied with the payoff, and now I think it's because Adora doesn't defend herself enough, she's too wooden. She just accepts Catra's accusations and replies with apologies or canned lines that don't make it sound like she's really listening. I think the only human thing in the episode was when she tried to keep Catra from reliving the bad memory (which in retrospect was not that bad, it probably should have been darker).
I'm really glad I subscribed. I hope you guys are able to make a name for yourselves.
Shadow's obsession with Adora was always something I think they could have done way better. Have Shadow treat Adora like if she was her actual daughter, but I mean in a bigger manner, having Shadow completely changing her voice tone and manner of speaking around Adora, seeming like a different person in when she's alone with her (maybe even be a sign that her old self is still alive somewhere). Maybe in that memory land that Catra and Adora got stuck in Catra could see how different Shadow got and almost be horrified and angry seeing how nice she treated Adora, maybe even show to Adora how terrifying to the others Shadow was
Here's one more thing to have; have Hordak and Adora be the only ones who know what SW's real face looks like and have that later be used as a means of Adora feeling guilt between betraying the Horde, especially AFTER she learns about SW previous life as Light Spinner.
Episode 11 is the best episode because Glimmer ain’t in it and the depth extended to a small man made lake.
riot kitty hahaha xD
lol
So true
I just love it how people can find areas to diss on She-Ra without the insane fanbase going berserk (I'm afraid to point out how terrible Catra's redemption "arc" is.)
@@DragonQueen-cv5mw Catra’s redemption arc was really short, (13 episodes) so, It was rushed as they only had 1 season (1 season including 13 episodes) But, Just because it had to be rushed doesn’t mean it’s bad, I respect your opinion, But I don’t see how it’s bad. So if you could explain that that would be helpful for me,
"It seems one-sided and unbalanced"
Just like the entirety of the "relationship" between the two.
Shadowweaver might favor Adora, but the creators favor Catra and in my opinion...that is way worse, because the creators are basically the gods of that little fictional world. Whatever they say, goes.
As for my opinion on the episode. I thought it was meh. It showed unfairness, but not in a very good way. It seemed too flip floppy to me...real unfairness between siblings [I'm assuming siblings because that's how they were raised] isn't like that.
Sweet home Alabama intensifies
@@mattblaster2378 [Beastiality joins the song]
I couldn't even feel bad for Catra after she scratched out Octavias eye and lead Adora into bullying her as well. Because it showed that she was a toxic person from the very beginning.
@@egon2499
Yep! That too.
Catra is the kid that causes all her own issues and then blames everyone else. My older brother was like that until very recently when the one person that enabled his toxic behavior had finally snapped. [our Mom]
Wish Adora would've given up on Catra because Catra suddenly going through a depressive episode and coming to the conclusion that she's to blame would've been cool to see.
I think I'm getting more and more irritated with how SCORPIA is being portrayed here. They haven't turned her into a 'tough lady with a heart' but just another over-exaggerated character. She doesn't come off as neither a threat NOR a competent fighter. She's just....a badly done 'flip your expectations' character like we've seeing en mass lately.
Yeah she is just boring.
@@saviox8197
And a bad Zayra rip-off with crab arms.
I mean...scorpion....details.
Zarya automatically popped in my head when I first saw her character design😂
@@JustEvertoni did see memes of Zarya and Scropia when it was airing actually lol
This episode had the potential for Adora to realize Catra was bad and she caused lots of her problems but noooo the writers had to victimize Catra again and Adora keeps putting up with it for two more seasons!
This episode proves that this is "catra and force captains" not "she ra and the princesses of power"
You have a point tho-
Did they forget the main character is Adora? Lol.
Maybe-
Catra seems like a complete sociopath, but the writers relate to her... this is why I hate modern shows. You can never tell whats bad writing, or the writers not understanding basic right and wrong.
I think its both! XD
I go far to say that problem with most modern writers is that have a very biases on what is good and evil and the will end up writing characters that by all mean should call out for their terrible actions but the writers will constantly make excuses for them.
@@jjjmadness8306It seems like they feel the average joe is a selfish, manipulative, thoughtless person. So making flawed protagonists like that makes them more relate able?
@@Acesahn Its true that to make a well written character you have to give them some flaws, but this writters dont understand that just giving them flaws doesnt automatically makes those characters interesting, you have to make the character be able to redeem themselves, make them likeable and also give them some positive qualities aswell.
@@saviox8197 Or it makes them interesting... but also a vile human being that no one with any sense of justice would root for.
Nu-Ra seems based on one or two episodes of the 80's show. One of them being, the Stone in the Sword. Adora's stone in her sword breaks, and she has to find the 'First One's', to help her mend it. The episode is mainly about Adora and how she embodies the qualities of She-Ra. But it's not done in the 'pat yourself on the back' way the new show takes it's time to do. Adora's up a mountain, skidding down stairs ahead of a spiky ball, dodging her way through what is essentially a arrow trapped hallway and walked up to a Rakdos Circus concert. All in about 6 minutes? Nu-Ra takes 6 minutes to whine and complain and express the feelz.
Basically Catra reminds me of Chloe Price from Life is strange. Both suffer from supposed abandonment issues and both piss me off yet they are fan favorites because I don't fucking know.
It feels like this is the writers trying to gaslight people into thinking that friends should always forgive each other even when they're being complete twats all the time like Catra. That's not friendship, that's abuse.
Ironically the show has been praised for "talking" about it
So Wreck-it-Ralph 2 then?
@@Saltedroastedcaramel
Talking doesn't mean shit if you don't do anything.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid There was barely any talking anyways and the heros were abusive as well
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Yep. And the Lapis Lazuli/Peridot relationship in SU. I feel like Catra appeals to the kind of person who would get mad at her friend for losing weight or bettering herself in some way. They're never the problem, and should be accepted no matter what.
When their best us mediocre, you place the show under the "Never Watch Again" category.
Actually it's my fav episode from this show, one of the few episodes that actually has real character development and depth, which ironically is focused on Catra instead of Adora, if the entire show was modeled on this episode it could have been a much better show.
Like what one commenter somwhwre else says, it would be betyer if this was the Catra show
ONE MORE TO GO GIRLS!!!!
I still insist that Catra WAS the only good thing of the mess of "animation" attemp that Tumblr make.
I think this episode shows good character development. Too bad it was all done on just the bad girl.
It's all about Catra, Catra this. Catra that. And nothing at all about Adora. No origin, no clue to her roots. Nothing.
Nothing about these First Ones. And nothing more about Shadow Weaver's obsession, either.
It's like suddenly this is 'The Catra Show', and nothing else matters.
'Avatar, the Last Airbender', 'Legend of Korra' and 'Batman The Animated Series' did this much better.
You know, unlike Catra and Adora, at least Julius Caesar and Titus Labienus had understandable reasons why they became enemies. When Caesar began his governorship of 3 provinces he had Labienus serve as his second-in-command, and Labienus deserves at least half the credit for Caesar's conquest of Gaul. When the Senate declared Caesar as an enemy of the Republic, he crossed the Rubicon and Rome entered a civil war. Labienus was shocked by this, and wasn't even consulted on the matter. In response, Labienus left Gaul and sided with Caesar's enemies, without attempting to steal away Caesar's legions when he could have. Caesar repeatedly extended many olive branches, pardoning him as he did for many of those who sided against him, but Labienus would slap down every single one. When Labienus died during the Battle of Munda, Caesar buried Labienus with full military honors and won the civil war for the third and final time. Why does that dynamic sound so much better than what Netflix gave us in She-Ra?
Something I love about the fandom is that their message to people who didn’t like the redesigns and age downs that they are “sexist pigs who can no longer fap to this.”
On Tumblr, currently, Adora and Carr’s is one of the biggest trends, there is a ton on NSFW stuff, and they are FIFTEEN YEARS OLD!!
So yeah. Say what you will, but at least Adora in the original was eighteen at least.
i think you are not familiar with rule 34?
@@Aiveq pretty sure they were talking about double standards
I'm so glad somebody FINALLY points this out.
I’m aware of it and no that still doesn’t justify the hypocrisy.
But they're not 15....
To me, I honestly think the writers love Catra more than Adora for reasons I honestly don't want to hear; mainly because they might all be about mommy issues or something along those lines. Adora still feels like this doormat of a character, or better yet a cardboard cut out on wheels, if the writers properly conveyed how much of an impact Adora and Catra made on each others lives instead of telling us when it's plot convenient this episode would have made more sense. Honestly...the show should have been called Catra and showed her times in the Horde since her story shows more development and often more than times favored over Adora's story. Even I find myself liking Scorpia and Entrapta despite some of their weird written flaws and not seeing a single episode of the series and only these reviews.
Heard good things in this episode, guess not anymore
Good reviewing though showing the flaws of the episode
Adora biggest flaws is the one sided, doesn't really show why she's has this strong sense of justice admist the horde propaganda
As said Catra plays the victim when she rarely is, fails upward, taunts and injures others and says it is there fault, and blames adora when she's always given a chance to leave
Only a villain deals in absolutes, Catra is a villain
Good for this series is kinda mediocre for anything else lol. The episode was far superior with actual plot and story with some real character development. They need to give this kind of attention to the other characters.
Catra: "I am such a vIcTiM!"
*scratches Octavias eye*
15:48 holy molly it looks like that sword shrink in size and attached to adora's back by magic glue XD
This chapter is the reason why many people likes Catra, but the thing is she seems to be great just because is the only one character in who the writters put some effort, and even with that she is empty.
Quality of episode and opinions on series content aside, I love how sometimes author's intent and thought processes can be teased out from the way things are written in media, rather than just what is written. And I love that you two pay attention to this and feel out the reasons why something is written the way it is (for example, that the writers really wanted to write this episode and it can be seen in the additional depth).
The worldbuilding and plot have really caused issues with the series on a whole. I agree with everything you said. You two do great video discussions.
The world building of this show is terrible. I really don't have a grasp of how large this world is supposed to be and how effected by the war it is since the Princess Prom downplayed all the dangers that are supposed to be going on.
I thought the ruins only acknowledged She-Ra. Why is it showing Catra her own memories if the entire facility sees her as a threat? Hell, technically, by the logic presented, Adora shouldn't be able to see her memories either, because she's not in her She-Ra form. What makes all of this worse is the fact that Adora is *supposed* to remove herself from all attachments so that she can become the avatar - err,I mean She-Ra. So why is there technology in the ruins that would be able to specifically remind her of her previous attachments, such as friends and loved ones?
It just makes no sense...
Alex Kennard Of course I’m not a writer of the show so I can’t say anything for sure, but there’s a promising theory going around that Light Hope manipulated both Catra and Adora’s memories to drive Catra to push Adora away once and for all, and aid Adora in letting her go. This would confirm why it shows Adora’s memories and not She-Ra’s, as in one of the earlier episodes Lighthope repeatedly says “Adora” rather than “She-Ra”. While the facility could have simply killed Catra, that would’ve been ineffective and probably counterproductive towards grooming Adora for the She-Ra role, as it might have turned Adora against the First Ones and Lighthope.
@@annemarieching1451 That makes no sense to me, because that means that Light Hope could have easily shown Adora and Catra memories of them getting along, having fun and protecting one another than, rather than memories that would tear them apart. Why is the being that tells Adora that she needs to "bring balance to the world" doing the one thing that would create further conflict? Why not make them friends?
To me, this is just further proof that the writers are trying to steal from Avatar: The Last Airbender. In that series, it made sense for the guru to tell Aang that he had to let go of Katara, because the Avatar has to act as a force to save everyone. However, if you notice, the guru told Aang to let go of his attachment to Katara, not his friends. That means his love for Katara.
The writers of She-Ra, on the other hand, translated that to "you must abandon all your friends" while directly contradicting that point by showing that She-Ra has to act with other princesses to keep the world safe. They have made the mistake of telling us that She-Ra has to be detached from society and the powers that be while showing us that she needs to maintain a connection with everyone around her. Again, it reads like a poor man's Avatar, at least to me.
@@alexkennard2422 It seems that every adventure-based cartoon somehow draws from Avatar, as it is a fantastic series that covered many different issues over its many episodes. Although I do see your point regarding the guru-Lighthope parallel, the point of driving Catra away from Adora was specifically so Adora would agree to the isolated training and accept her role as She-Ra fully. The only reason as to why they didn't show Bow and Glimmer's memories with her I'm guessing is because they weren't with her at the time, and in the end Adora didn't need those memories to agree to the training -- it was only after they showed up in person that she refused Lighthope.
She-Ra can still work with the other princesses, including Glimmer, while being detached from friendships. It's not that she has to be detached from society, because society and the world is what she's trying to bring balance to and save. It's just that being more partial to one princess or one group of people over another would cause conflict to bringing peace to the entire world as an individual -- as Lighthope puts it.
Being attached to Glimmer, Bow, and Catra makes it hard for her to say yes to the She-Ra training and responsibility. Just imagine if Lighthope had shown Adora all of those good nostalgic Catra memories -- do you think she would've said yes to the isolated training any faster now that she's reconciled with her best friend since childhood?
I think you're mistaking the writer's opinion with Lighthope's. The overarching theme in this show, like Avatar and many others, is that people are stronger when they work together.
@@annemarieching1451 I can see your point, I can, but your ending statement of "people are stronger when they work together" only reinforces my viewpoint. There is no reason for what Light Hope is doing in my eyes. Light Hope could have easily brought Catra to the side of good to fight against those who hurt and manipulate her, if that is her plan, by showing her all of the memories of the time she was abused by her superiors. In fact, that's exactly what they were doing when they showed that Adora was sticking up for Catra when she had issues with Octavia and Shadow Weaver. So why on Earth would Light Hope pivot Catra's memories towards moments that would leave her to be upset with Adora rather than her abusers? And again, it does not change the fact that Light Hope would have made two friends into bitter enemies for the sake of making the supposed savior into a force that would bring balance to the world, which in itself is a concept that's so nebulous in this show that it hinders on being pointless.
Think about it. What if Adora was still a member of the Horde while she was She-Ra? Would she bring "balance" by defeating the good guys? It would make sense seeing as the forces of good have ruled the planet for ages now. Can't have good without evil, right? In that case, it would be okay for She-Ra to slaughter millions of innocent people because there's just to much benevolence in the world.
I get the same concept could apply to Avatar, but there is a slight difference. Avatar cares about worldbuilding. This show hasn't cared nearly enough about doing the same. This is why the show manages to move too slow and too fast at the same time. Things just happen with no real rhyme or reason.
Oh look, a Horde soldier has been granted the power of an ancient warrior? Let's not question her loyalties and blindly trust she's on our side!
Hey, look! That abused cat girl hates her captors. Let's make her go back to them over and over again because she's having a pretty squabble with the one person who seemed to actually care about her!
Oh hey, a prom! Let's invite the evil side to the party because we're impartial, and can't possibly conceive the fact that the people we're allowing to attend this party literally want to take our kingdom and enslave or slaughter our citizens!
It just does not make any sense to me. I want this show to be good, I really do, and I hope season 2 is better, but right now, the series is in shambles, at least in my eyes.
Ah well, I suppose you have your viewpoints and I have mine. While ATLA’s world building is on an entirely different level than many cartoons of today, I think its important to remember that this show is only just getting started. I’m grateful that this show can already bring about such interesting discussions, though! I hope the next season is better for you
Great points, as usual! We see Catra and her motivations, but never Adora. We don't get those defining moments and - as she's the protagonist - that's kinda sad when coupled with her inconsistent personality.
But I did like this episode above the others.
Keep Up The Good Work~!
Attacks someone and the cries like a victim to another, only for them to sling mockery at the one attacked. . . Where have I seen that before? And after this episode that was just about all over the place, I'm gonna call it here; Shadow weaver is gonna be Adora's mom. I doubt I'm the first to think that, but with how obsessed she is with her and how pretty predictable and tropey the writing has been.
I wonder if Noelle realizes that in their attempts to try to get us to hate SW, IF she were Adora's mom they made HER a victim instead because she's not a person who only wants her child back but can't give the reasons WHY because she's aware she might be killed if the truth comes out so she has to keep dropping worthlessly vague hints.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Well, she wants us to see Glimmer as a strong leader, but makes her come us as a narcissist- so I doubt she does.
Well , its a well know fact that most people like Catra because she is a way more developed character .
For all those fight for Strong females , they made She-ra a very weak character .
and again , this show still looks like teens with Mom issues .
I have a strong feeling that this is exactly what Noelle Stevenson was trying to channel: Issues she has with her mom, possibly over her being lesbian.
@@RokuroCarisu
And to that I have to say; Who gives a shit?
Honestly, you're not the only person in the world with parent issues and you sure don't need to hijack another series to let us know, Noelle. Stick to your blob and original comics for this shit.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid There are two ways people typically deal with feeling rejected for being different:
1. Accept their status as a social outcast as just and seek redemption at all cost.
2. Rejecting the judgement of others and celebrate themselves as a special snowflake, sometimes to the point that they start to believe being different makes them more important, even more valuable than the average person.
Noelle Stevenson thinks of herself as a VIP and her personal story as far more important that anything else related to her art.
what I liked most about this episode that is no glimmer or bow. I'm not even joking.
It’s honestly so sad. Adora and Catras dynamic has so much potential yet they fuck it up and do almost nothing with
This series really loves Catra! I'll admit, i rooted for Catra and Shadow Weaver way more in the original series than I did She-Ra. But mostly only when they had a really good plans and She-Ra had to use protagonist powers to win. But this series is different. This series gives Adora nearly no development! In fact, Catra is the most developed character in the series! No one else has this much backstory and such! And the writers REALLY don't care about Adora! She has even less development than Glimmer! She just goes along with whatever someone says! She's exactly what Catra accused her of in the first episode, a people-pleaser.
And this show is so inconsistent with She-Ra! Is she a whole other entity or just a power-up? Because when we first see her, she's like Aang lost in the avatar state. But from then on, she and adora seem to be the exact same.
How exactly did Catra leave the temple? Am I missing something from previous episodes that show how they escaped the temple before?
1)Sloppy writing/character development 2) iffy character designs were serious issues. Adora is confusing and Catra is not anyone you want to know
This show is just completely written poorly and in the worst way. Everything important is tossed aside for the sake of shipping. Period.
Because that's all Tumblrites and Twitter personalities care about.
And in the end, that's what makes this show just so god damn BORING. There was romance in Avatar but c'mon. That didn't take a driving force to larger story at hand.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid the people in charge of this show are professional Tumblrites. They know how to market it to people who are unemployed/under employed, can think of politics outside of identity politics, and wish they were 13 again. Hell, these writers probably grew up watching Avatar and they learned all the wrong creative lessons from it.
Alec Perdeau speak on it! This is just a wasted opportunity. This show could have been really amazing and pushed into new territory. But it’s clear we won’t be getting anything truly new. The art isn’t even consistent let alone the huge plot holes.
@@justphil84
What I love is how Noelle thinks she's pushing new ground by -gasp!- having Black characters in her show!
WOW! THAT'S *NEVER* HAPPENED BEFORE! (massive sarcasm)
The only thing Noelle has gone on about this shit show is how she thinks she's breaking new ground by being diverse when she's about 100 years too late to the party but I guess she has to feel special SOMEHOW.
Someone please explain me why Shadow weaver cared so much about Adora, like regardless for what bad she does she only cares about her? Why??
I wished we got Shadow weavers story expended 😕
9:34 For all we know Lani is just acting out on her own moral code, and it has nothing to do with how the Horde teach children to fight.
I think Glimmer replaced Catra as Adora’s , I don’t even know, just someone she has to save . She doesn’t need Catra she just needs someone to protect Ig . Makes her feel good ?
In Squad We Trust
I see what you're saying, and I do think you're onto something. But the difference is that Catra is nothing like Glimmer. Glimmer has her own personality and none of it implies she needs Adora like Catra needed her. Adora was a blank state teacher's pet in the horde. Now she's developing her own personality because she's free to do so. She clicked with Bow and Glimmer (almost) immediately, in a way I doubt she clicked with the other soldiers in the Horde.
@@JolietJakeBlues6 hey im a year late but i totally agree. Catra literally has no personality outside of Adora
You are now my favorite reviewers!! You guys are really good. Keep it up, ladies.
I think youre on point with your theory
LIGHT HOPE IS EVIL and is trying to separate Adora from everyone and play Shera
What if Mara Shera saw through LightHope's Plans? and turned on them, everything is set up to make catra angry at adora!
ALso loved the reveiw, great points all around
Maybe you should watch something like hunter x hunter. It's a great anime and would probably help get she ra out of your mind
Yes! it's a great series that focuses equally on both of the protagonist without favouring or tearing the other.
Shadow Weaver probably wants Adora for her body as a future vessel.
I don't see why. Shadow Weaver is small framed but at least she has some hips.
Catra is the best part of the show. It seems they're making the same mistake the new Star Wars movies are making. The main character is an uninteresting Mary Sue and the villain is the interesting one who struggles as well as fights for and succeeds in their goals.
That's true I'm glad I'm the one of many that sees how bad Disney star wars is.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Personally I would love to see Kylo Ren decapitate Rey, I know it won't happen but a guy can dream.
Man there's nothing else that would bring me so much tears of joy.
We need a cat girl regulation club to stop things like this 7:37 from happening. .... especially for anime. ... like Good God
8:43 they can just walk around. ....😦
What do you mean?
@@saviox8197 she means catra, although a cat girl, is very not attractive, and not cute even as a child
@@mashakissochka5596 no, I'm talking about her tail, also sorry for the late reply
@@wakawakawakawaka8804 what is with the tail?
@@lmaolini it's in her ass, it's supposed to be at the base of her back
3:14 oh my gosh the perspective looks so wrong
Still the best episode, even if it is really much of the same, just without pausing every 20 seconds to make a pointless joke!
Catra is really the only character that gets any development in this show, problem I find is when they try to give us the development, it hardly makes any sense! So much for an 'award winning' writer!
I would like if you review Carmen sandiego reboot after she-ra reboot. Thank you for your reviews :)
Luma Kelly they really should
Carmen plays as a Diablolik or James Bond and Pretty good all things said.
No, I don't want mjtanner to suffer this much
This show definitely needs work big time
This episode might have been better than what came before it, but that's still not saying much for this show. Alongside everything you mentioned, I think the thing I hated most about this episode is that it once again failed to make Adora and Catra's life in the Hoard anything like you would expect from CHILD SOLDIERS! What is up with this show and glossing over the fact that since they were old enough to talk, every soldier in the Hoard was trained to fight? Why do they have such "quirky" personalities?
Is it just me or does that hologram somewhat resemble Blue Diamond?
Goddamn, this level of shitty character development and forced romances makes RWBY look like Shakespeare. This has to be the most wasted potential yet in terms of writing and use of the concepts at play.
This development of Catra and her love hate relationship with Adora has to be Noel making a caricature of one of her exes or maybe herself at like 16 when she first came out as being gay. That's the only reason I can think of this one sided development and relationship on Catra.
In the beginning I had a theory that Shadow Weaver needed Adora in connection to that crystal-the other princesses seemed related to their crystals so SW hijacking Adora's crystal & needing to get her back or lose her stolen connection would have made sense to me & given SW valid motivation to why she wanted Adora so much. I'm starting to wonder if I gave the writers too much credit (granted this is really half of season 1 based on how Netflix splits their seasons)
this is just a theory, but I think Shadowweaver literally sees herself in Adora. Like we know it's not because of her She-Ra powers that Shadowweaver favors Adora, because she's liked her more since she was a child, a baby even. So either Shadow Weaver developed maternal extinct's for Adora because she raised from a baby up until the present, or and this is the theoratical part, Adora looks like what Shadowweaver looked like in her past. Think about it for a second, in all the horde we've seen so far only two people have fair skin and blond hair, Adora was one, and Kyle was the other. Scorpia has fair skin, but she's not blond, and she's kind of awkwardly big, as in fearsome, despite her girly personality. Anyway, perhaps this relates to Shadow Weaver on some level, we know Shadow Weaver's appearance isn't her original one, and her name reflects a inverse sort of that being Light to Shadow. What if her physical appearance is a reflection of her old nature to her new one? Light to Dark in terms of appearance, well if you flipped her appearance around her dark/greyish skin would become fair-pinkish skin, and her black hair would likely be blondish right? Her reptilian green eyes might go from green to normal human-like blue eyes? There are a few fan images out there about this new incarnation of she-ra that seems to also subcribe to this possibility, in that Light Spinner looking similar to Adora in her youth. This would be another great reason as to why Adora can do no wrong in Shadow Weavers eyes.
also before anyone says it, yes I'm aware the original Light Spinner/Shadow Weaver had dark hair, I've seen the comic-scans too. :)
There's clear favoritism on the creators part when writing this show, and although that's fine to a point, you need to make sure that all your characters are getting developed as well. They really need to communicate with each other and plan these plots out better.
Adora has no chest, but Catra definitely has one. Interesting? No, not really.
Boobs=Bad
I'm the same age as she-ra and I have more tit then her.tragic
@@D.va_Foxxy You're ten yours old??? (Don't answer that...)
Their children
What I hate the most about this episode is not the premise of the charcaters confronting their past but the reason why they did it. It feels very forced especially for the machine that make them go trhough their memories, we never get to know how the machine works or even why it works that way. You're rigth when you said it's very obious that was the episode that the writters want it to make the most, but they never build the moment so the episode even though has some good moments suffer from all the background that led to that moment.
The other problem is that this is a massive exposition dump of an episode, all this is stuff that needed to be revealed spread across the series not shoved in the audience's face 2 episodes from the finale of the season. It's like this entire conflict, which they seem to want to define the entire relation of the protagonist and the main antagonist, was really just an asterisk because they couldn't be bothered to reveal any of this in a more timely fashion.
It does seem like they are trying to get Adora to let go of the Hotde and Catra, but the only time she ever thinks about either is when they make an appearance. A missed opportunity to really build on both of their characters.
I would've liked for there to be a moment where Catra attacked shadow weaver, knocked off her mask, and it showed catra's face. Show her she's going down a dark path. Yeah it's ripped from star wars but le 70% of this show is ripped from others.
The most unlikable show ever? A cartoon not for kids but not for the 30-40 year old She-ra fans? NOTHING can save this dumpster fire. Is it a succes or a fail? Well look at the merch to get an indication.
Building interesting relationships is a great addition to a story but shipping should be left to fandom
On top of that creating strong characters is critical to making fans care about a relationship in the first place
Not with the fandom of this show. As long as they can exist and stick their fingers in each other, they are 'well developed characters'.
This show feels like a narcassist parent raising two kids and having an escape goat and a golden child. Whats funny is the golden child is literally blonde. In this dynamic it makes sense also in the sense of this show becuase she realizes Catra is the only one smart enough and strong enough to upstage her.
It could be possible that Shadoweaver is an allegory for the She-Ra fanbase that prefer the old She-Ra/Adora while Hordak is an allegory for the people who like the reboot, or Catra. Think about it, we're not given a reason why Shadoweaver goes out her way in favor of Adora in a way that the people who defend this show don't really understand why most old fans prefer the old show. Hordak just blindly gives Catra a pass and promotion as time goes on despite her failures.
Show would be decent if all the characters were written well or given clear motivation rather than "reliving their teen angst". X-Men TAS had angst but it wasn't relegated to just one character. Everyone in X-Men had their own issues dealing with being with mutants be it Cyclops' inability to look at anything without his visor on or Rogue's inability to touch someone without putting them in a coma.
Most of this shows problems is that their character development is usually petty or irrelevant. Glimmer keeps messing up but wants to be taken seriously but she doesn't grow from her experiences. Bow is basically a man-servant whose constantly re-assuring and apologizing despite several claims not being his fault.
Everyone has to apologize for your fuck ups and not the other way around. So much victim blaming in these modern cartoons. Adora did nothing wrong but defect from the Horde. It's not like she tricked Catra and Shadoweaver betraying their trust from the start. But, she's apologizing as if she ruined Catra's life. This is also why I got annoyed/bored with Steven Universe as well. The same shit. People blaming others for their problems and not taking responsibility for themselves when they actually caused it. It's only a toxic relationship if you keep going back. We've told you not to go back but you keep going back. It's not my fault after that.
It does sicken me seeing people "like" Catra because she's so "well-written". And the "Princess Prom".
Let me back up. In the 80s She-Ra, the villages that were under the Horde at least had a school system that would teach young children "how great the Horde is". This was a village I believe Bow came across in one of the episodes. Either him or Adora. HOWEVER, Adora or Bow tried to convince the kids that the Horde are baddies. To which, some of the kids don't trust them. However, by the end of the episode, the kid saw the wrong the Horde was doing and sided with Adora or Bow. As campy as you want to claim the 80s cartoons are, at least they've had forethought about how they want the cartoons to go.
These modern cartoons like to focus way too much on one or two characters that the entire cast becomes irrelevant. The Mistakor episode could have been a flashback episode of Shadoweaver's rise and fall while she's still trying to reclaim Adora. It could have Castaspella's backstory of why her and Angela had a falling out as well.
That one kid that made a Dexter Laboratory cartoon that Genndy Tartakovsky hosted on Cartoon Network back in the 90s is far more enjoyable than this She-Ra reboot.
I heard somebody theorize that Hordak is intentionally playing Shadow Weaver and Catra against each other. He might know how treacherous Shadow Weaver is and how desperate Catra is for approval, and so he pits them against each other to keep either from thinking of turning on him.
Maybe he knew what Shadow Weaver was doing when she took credit for Catra's work, and when it failed he punished Shadow Weaver instead of shoving the blame onto Catra like the sorceress would do. It sends a message that, unlike Catra's mother, he is fair toward his subordinates. This instills loyalty to him into Catra, and if Shadow Weaver keeps butting heads with the girl it just means she is wasting time and power on that instead of trying to stab her boss in the back.
The details of the theory are explained better in the Tumblr post I originally heard it from.
I don't personally know what all to think of that, but it does help to make Hordak actually seem more competent.
In short they favour Carta too much
Shadow Weaver's disdain for Catra could be fantastical racism on Shadow Weaver's part (against cat people). Kyle and the other kids are not cat people.
5:53 does...Adora look weird in this scene to anyone else?
Adora always looks weird.
Her head its too big.
This episode is better than the others though it's too little, too late to save this show. It's uneven to develop only like one character and leave the rest stuck as being flat and underdeveloped.
Honestly this was the only excellent/exceptional episode in the entire new She-Ra series.
It not only showed us that the writers have actually had talent but that they know how to craft good a story with interesting scenes, actions and character interactions.
So why did they continue to give us the same old garbage after making this "Glimmer of Hope"!!!😡😠
I'm serious, things were actually going from mediocre to crap until episode 11. Then they do a complete 180° and continue to make the same boring and irritating shtick.
This episode was just so CAT-ty
18:20 *A GAME THEORY*
Can't wait till you two review season three.
Ugh i dont like the designs of kid Adora and kid Catra, but on the other hand their normal designs arent very good either.
Just finished watching this episode and you're so damn right about Adora not looking back at her time at the Horde, and Catra and others there 😕
17:43 Really that was a hologram. That's too on the nose it would be better if it was there I.
I don´t always agree with you but I agree that Adora needs more focus and develpment, she is actually my favorite character but she is kind of a doormat
Great video. It’s always interesting to hear what people didn’t like about a show as well as what they did like about it. Speaking of shows, could you watch and review the Netflix original series Stretch Armstrong and the flex fighters at some point? I would like to hear your thoughts on it. Specifically your thoughts on season two.
9:22 - Baffling that Lohni is in the show given that they changed it so Catra's the one who's Adora's best friend...
Also, I see Lohni possesses Glimmer's ability to spontaneously lose weight...
You what they could have done seeing how shadow shits on cat and she knows it especially after seeing that flash back cat could take the sword to shadow and kill her taking command and create excitement for ep12
8:10 - Wait... the sword can shrink?
16:01 - Tiny sword again, and a different handle design.
19:16 - Now Adora's hands have shrunk...
I think catra has some mental brain issues...or lacks normal thinking.
Nightmare fuel Warning: 11:57
And seriously, where the fuck is Hordac in all this? From his design alone (when you look beyond the obvious Richard Spencer haircut) I get vibes of Lothar Rendain from Battleborn. It would be a hell of a lot more interesting if Hordac turned out to be some madman who honestly believed that he was doing something to to save the planet by conquering Etheria. I don't care about Catra's lady boner for Adora. Give us something with more substance.
I just realized, why is the face reveal showing Shadoweaver's face is scarred important? What does that imply?>
Somebody knows when I can find the song played in the abyss scene, when Catra throw away the sword?
I agree that the episode could have been handed better, but i liked the episode. It was good.
At least in Season 2 Shadoweaver's backstory finally gets explained.(Best episode in the series.)
But really this episode made me dissapointed in Cat-rah as a charater.
In my mind they were building up to Cat-ra's redemption, but the writers chose to have her choose
evil over something so minor.
Skylanders Acadmey actually dose the best friends on opposite sides idea better during the
Season 3 run. So pretty much I can call Dark Spyro and Stealth Elf better written
versions of Reboot Cat-rah and Adora!
Catra has boundary issues.
#MakeEtheriaGreatAgain #TeamHordak #GlimmerSucks #GoHorde #NeedRealVillains #FakeRa #KeepKidCartoonPornFree
Best episode of the series, exactly because is one sided and only focus on the best character (the only one not openly annoying).
On a different topic, I have to admit that the writers, in the whole series, managed to deliver a very powerful pro-Hordak propaganda. I'm completely pro-Horde now. Even if Hordak displays questionable managerial skills, still seem the less incompetent ruler of the whole planet. And the territory under his command seems the most economically prosperous.
I don’t know why but after watched the last episode, I REALLY want to see Adora fights Cathra in a way like till one drop dead? (Maybe not that far but something like that) since they are clearly on a different side of the war. Also, Cathra might be the who start the fight since she want to prove to the horde and shadow weaver that she is better than Adora as revenge or something?
it's a simple matter, Shadowreaver is based on the sorceress from the 80s he-man cartoon, who afaik is Adora's biological mother, so basically her character's concept is the "evil mom" concept turned around, when love turns into zealous overprotection and threatens to hurt of other beings that arent her offspring.
and if you dont believe her character is the sorceress, the fact is literally stated to us in th sky temple thingie episode.
This episode so-so character development is.....ok her friend.😮 rid around friend😮
I don’t understand why people like carta so much. She’s so mean to carta and fails to try to like her again
19:10 it isnt like catra leave adora at all!... (i mean it isn't like adora stay with her promes when she fucking offert to catra go to the revelions thogeter....) what is consistency, what does continuity mean? so many vocal confuse me!
10:18 - Where's the sword?
Why would you make She ra have a crew cut but has a ponytail? It really bothers me.
My reasoning to why Shadow Weaver favours Adora and hates Catra (shown through my fanfiction) is that Shadow Weaver is Adora's biological mother and sees Catra starting to crush on Adora but doesn't approve of Catra being Adora's girlfriend.
it was... ok
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I have the feeling that the show will end like korra and have Adora and Catra get together.
This aged incredibly well
Worst couple ever