@@TDTProductions sir I disagree with silence and squall and arc strider. In pve they are pretty equal especially with the right exotic. HOWEVER, pvp while in arc strider you can hold block and walk into a tornado and turn it against people. I won a trials match this way because people don’t know and sit there getting frozen by their own tornado
So i got bored I did the average score for each class S-tier being 6 points, A-tier being 5, and so on Divide the total points by the # of supers Warlocks had a score of 4.50 Hunters had a score of 4.09 And titans had a score of 3.66 Just wanted to share
Yep they all used to have 3 variations with each super and then once 3.0 came out titans went down to 6 while the others had 7 they ruined fist of havoc and now they ruined bubble but essentially gave titans another solar variation in the form of a exotic armor piece which I think they could just get rid of pyrogale and make it a variant of the solar subclass
yknow i never actually noticed that if you count variants as 1 super all the classes have the same amount of supers i mean it makes perfect sense but i'm still kinda surprised
Which also translates to: All hunter light subclasses have 3 options. 2 of the Warlock's light subclasses have 3 options. And titans finally got that invitation to eat at the 3 super table.
The community needs to realize that a Warlock running Song of Flame with the right aspects on Solar, with No Hesitation hip-firing for restoration, gives you a better healing and damage boost than Well does. Bungie did just nerf Restoration x2 to x1 though on Physic though so...hmm.
Not to mention letting solar and kinetic weapon apply scorch. It lets gjallarhorn on its own set off ignitions with 2 rockets. When you factor in the rest of a team running Apex Predator your team easily sets off ignitions on cool down. Also the damage resistance for the super in PvE let you face tank most anything in the game which lets you make very clutch plays when doing content like GMs.
Song of flame lasts half as long and doesn't give hp regen, if you use no hesitation to make up for this than you're doing 0 dmg. Well of radiance even after the nerf is really really good
@@richardwenner755 wow the new support super that's built for more offensive play is worse at keeping people alive because outside of the DR that's not the point. Who could have guessed? Bungie nerfed well because it has been the best in slot for warlocks for raids and other endgame content because it gave insane survivability and the best damage buff built into a subclass (without considering the broken ass exotics it had that deserved nerfs because they were obviously unbalanced) that you can give to everyone without giving up 1 guardians damage like you do with banner block. On top of that it's STILL better than bubble in 99% of scenarios. The point is well was nerfed to give other support supers room to breathe without absolute murdering it. It's just not absolutely free in pve and pvp anymore which it should have never been that free in the first place. But guess what, you'll still be bringing multiple warlocks because a well and a song of flame together can put in work in different scenarios and together but now warlocks without a spine don't have to feel like they're forced to switch to well when the rest of the raid team refuses to accept that they aren't pulling their own weight. Well still being usable doesn't mean Song of flame isn't useful during a dps phase.
@@briangiordano8682 Why I stopped playing as a titan-Why put in the effort to play as one when the devs themselves don’t even give equal effort into making it fun like they do for the other classes?
@@onyxserenity5190 lol ok, because your class totally doesn't have free overshields, the only non headshot requiring one shot kill melee in pvp, the only melee that can easily take people out of supers, the most annoying class ability that effectively shuts down a lane with a simple exotic allows the titan to shoot or snipe without any risk to themselves, you guys have essentially shatterdive with less setup on arc, numerous ways to become extremely hard to kill on arc with that shield, void with your other shield and stasis with that one exotic. You guys may suck in PvE mostly but you're still the most oppressive pain in the ass loaded with bs cheese class to face in PvP, hunters have plenty of damage sure but they lack a wide range of defensive options, meaning that as a warlock most of what a hunter does can be countered with a healing rift, assuming the rift can be deployed in the 3-5 business days worth of animation it takes before the hunter does something crazy.
@@adambrown6669 and all of that explains why i run into maybe 1 titan every 2-3 games in pvp? The simple exotic i assume you are talking about citans ramparts which got nerfed hella hard multiple seasons ago by making the barrier get destroyed faster? Also if you are getting suppressed by the titans void shield charge in pvp while after you popped ur super tbh thats a skill issue
as a titan main I think you were too kind to our supers, twilight is good-ish but not good enough to be S-tier that tracking just does whatever the hell it wants too sometimes so I would say A bladefurry is good for applicable bosses but at the end of the day its still another melee super Glacial Quake is too situational to be really used and most people hate it in PvP. Thunder crash is nothing without that exotic, same for burning maul expect it usually gets more use, both really are also situational which sucks. Bubble was publicly executed and sentinel shield with ursa furiosa takes a man out of the damage phase, the trade off for damage is not worth it sadly. fist of havoc is indeed a steaming pile of shite, hammer of sol is good for survivability and a great ranged super for PvP. we still need more one and dones for titan, give all classes a 2nd stasis and strand super and make sure titans are damage dealers at range, one and done too!
I'm a warlock main but I've always wanted titan to get a nova bomb style stasis super that just forms a massive glacier and hurls it at stuff. Feel like it would check a lot of needed boxes and stick to the titan theme of "everything we do has to show off our muscles" 😂
glacial quake is the best super in the game for pvp. u just gotta know how to use it. no other super can hit me and i can 1v1 every super in the game and win
It's hard to say how to make Stormtrance better. Outside of giving it an insanely fast cooldown, which probably still wouldn't really help. Maybe it should give some kind of buff to your allies? Something with ionic traces and amplify probably. Edit: Just wanted to add the two cents of my friend group and I, if a super needs an exotic to function (Chaos Reach with Geomags, Thudercrash with Cuirass, ect.) that exotics functionality should just be folded into the base super IMO. The exotic can then be made to do something else.
I say that conduction tines from the helmet should be rolled into the main super and the damage should be increased substantially so that it can easily melt things like stunned champions and majors. Make it more or less the best room clear super in the game.
Give it the same change they did to the Chain Lightning melee a while ago. While amplified you create a second chain that splits after the first target. Would let it deal double damage against a single target, which it needs, and then also improve its add clear functionality which is the main job of the super.
Maybe when you're Amplified, it increases the range of the lightning, how many enemies it can chain from and removes the ramp up needed to hit max damage and just gives it to you outright? Would at least stop you from just holding the attack to keep the damage up when moving from group to group and accelerating how fast the super drains as a result
the bubble changes also made helm of saint 14 loose the void overshield upgrade for the mini bubble and normal making its only synergy useless in any content it even had a use
It really sucks, I love bubble, they made it so bad, they could tie blessing, armor and weapons with different aspects at least; there’s room for play like how they put knock out as a option or sunspots, they could be benefits that are placed with a build so you can play around with it and make helm still blind people and maybe have the old glass house effect of increasing the benefits or length of these effects.
and it's incredible for catalyst progress for presicion weapons too. Shooting tethered enemies distributes the damage as an AOE to all enemies tethered, kills this way count as kills with the weapon you're using.
1:51 Ideas on how to fix Storm Trance: ⚪️Make it so the initial explosion is longer ranged and spherical. ⚪️Make it so that you and surrounding allies are immediately amplified and have their health regen jump-started. ⚪️Make it so that the super blinds and jolts enemies that are around ones you struck down with the super. ⚪️Make it so that the super ends with a final explosion of lighting that’s exactly like the opening strike.
TDT one more difference between cataclysm and vortex mainly applicable in pve is that cataclysm blocks shots and vortex doesn't, this can come up in some damage phases
I have a lot of fun with Storms Edge, but I once clowned on a Hunter by literally just jumping over all three charges. I don't know I he was just that bad, or nobody realizes you can do that, but it happened. Never really had a problem facing it. But, your mileage may vary
I always try to jump over it but never had any success. Either I would have to predict it or they just whiff. If you’re a hunter since they have the faster way to get in the air it’ll be easier for them
Glacial quake is ass in pvp, especially with the recent changes. After the balance patch to right Beyond Light’s wrongs, it lost a lot of damage resistance and regaining a modicum of that lost damage resistance was relegated to whisper of chains…then the frost armor rework happened now we have one of the lowest DRs in the game unless we use an entire aspect (tectonic harvest) to get frost armor stacks. The “buffs” to stasis titan were hilariously backwards and nerfed them into oblivion. They need a close look into their kit to fix a lot of the unfair treatment the subclass is getting during broad adjustments…these adjustments are disproportionately destroying the behemoth kit
Its because Bungie doesnt know Behemoth identity. It's a speed class or a tank behemoth like its name? I understand when behemoth launched it was the two, but Bungie nerfed both of those qualities instead of one.
Here is me advocating for blade barrage: It is the fastest burst option for hunter where crit spot is hard to hit, and even when crits are accessible, a full stack star eater BB out damages both celestial and star eater goldie (but lower dps, since you can pre pop celestial) as long as you can hit most of the knifes. It does make it less viable on certain bosses like witness, but it is no slouch in pve. Also a side note, in GM content where your loadout is locked, star eater BB is a much more versatile option that can both burst champs and clear rooms, as well as giving you high uptime on your super. I do understand that much of this hinges on star eater, but if goldie is that much worse without celestial, I think this much is at least fair.
I understand that still hunt is really strong right now, but it also isn't the optimal option in every situation (bosses with awkward crit spots, and a fire team that doesn't want to run div). Still hunt and celestial being strong doesn't make star eater BB any weaker. That and the fact that we all know they must be nerfing still hunt very soon as well.
Fun fact about daybreak, it has unique animations and effects for phoenix dive, which also lets it do damage. I really wish that we could get the damage from phoenix dive with an exotic, but for now tis but a dream.
1:21 Another advantage is in precision… This variant doesn’t have the tracking on the main bomb, so you can nail the main target you were hoping for in a room full of enemies the cataclysm might veer towards
Bubble in D tier? I haven't done Trials in a minute but is it really that good in trials still? Would have figured with the demand of Helm of Saint-14 that the super would fall off a cliff and land squarely in E/F tier.
Always loved how needlestorm is the darkness equivalent of slowva, they are both one off explosive supers that launch little guys to attack, just ones a big bomb and the other is a bunch of tiny ones, same with with blade barrage and silence and squall, sentinel sheild and blade fury, and dawnblade and winters wrath, they all basically have the same dna but are changed to represent the difference between light and dark
Silkstrike and Sentinel Shield both deserve A-teir in my opinion. Putting Hammer of Sol beneath Nova Warp seems to be a stretch at best, and evidence of huge mental issues at worst.
Silence and squall being A tier and getting called the best one and one hunter super in PvP is crazy. The animation is so insanely long and you have barely any DR, making most of its casts result in either a trade or a death before squall can get thrown. I’d rank it top of C tier personally, or you may be able to argue B, but A is crazy
Spectral Blades are so underrated, i have wiped out entire teams in PVP with it and in PVE as a hunter who focuses on invisibility its got so many uses, great for ad clearing and its invisibility is so useful since it lasts for the whole super if you dont strike. It has allowed me to save so many otherwise dead runs just by always being able to revive everyone.
9:28 I was thinking about this a while back, and I came up with a spectral blades overhaul. So first, no more third person, switching to first person view, to really give that stalker vibe, also replace the twin blades with one void empowered knife, like in the subclass ability screen. Renaming the super to Spectral Wraith (or something better) Second, complete invisibility, all actions done while this super is active are completely silent in PVE, ads will no longer turn to your direction and start firing wildly if you need to get on to a ledge to get to your next target and muffled in PVP. Third, time for the more meaty stuff: Movement speed and jump height is greatly increased while in stealth mode. Additionally, all abilities do 100% more damage (20% more to weapons) and will 100% crit without having to trigger it's crit condition. Abilities: Passives: Stealth mode Increased ability regen. Grants true sight. Increases Lunge and Silent Knife damage and causes the next instance of these two to deal critical damage. Dealing critical damage weakens and suppresses the target (works for weapons too, but have to deal precision damage) Defeating enemies brings you back into stealth mode. It is possible to fire your weapons while in this mode, it's basically a void song of flame, but you can't really chain together it's abilities like song of flame for boss damage, instead it's boss damage will come from the smoke screens made by trappers ambush. Dodge: now intrinsically has vanishing step to go back into stealth mode. Has increased energy regeneration (Halves the cooldown, based on your own mobility) gains class ability energy after dealing damage (45% after draling damage) If trappers ambush is equipped, Dodging to enter stealth mode again will deploy a smoke screen around you, disorienting enemies for a short time and granting allies invisibility(5 seconds) Lunge: Melee button While in stealth mode, preform a long range dash at your target, teleporting behind and preforming a back stab and then a following it with a devastating slash, dealing damage to enemies around you and making them volatile. When not in stealth mode, just preform the back stab with shorter range, dealing critical damage. When in close range, preform a three hit combo with your knife, dealing increased damage the more debuffs are on the enemy. Silent knife: Grenade button Hurl your void knife infused with paracausality, when it hits an enemy, it'll cause that enemy to implode, pulling nearby enemies in, then explode with void damage, enemies hit by the implosion are made volatile and explode when killed. If the knife lands in the ground it does a larger, weaker implosion and releases a wide range corrosive smoke cloud (8 seconds), disorienting, damaging and highlighting enemies. If trappers ambush is equipped, allies who enter the smoke cloud are granted invisibility (lasts for 7 seconds if they leave) truesight (lasts for 3 seconds if they leave) and increases precision damage while standing in the smoke cloud (New ambush buff, lasts for 10 seconds after leaving the smoke cloud, 35% increased precision damage while standing in the smoke cloud, 20% after leaving the smoke cloud) Won't exit invisiblity after firing a weapon as long as you're in the smoke cloud. When not in stealth mode, hurl your knife, doing greatly increased precision damage. Hits to the head or the backs of enemies will deal critical damage. This is probably the most scuffed thing to ever be thought up, but it's an overhaul and is at least better than the current one.
Just thought about it some more, this could pair with certain exotics like Omni oculus and does open the idea to the likes of Gwisin vest getting a rework too. Maybe instead of extending the super duration: Grants trappers ambush. Exiting stealth mode or invisibility deploys a smoke cloud (5 seconds) defeating debuffed enemies while the smoke cloud is active grants bonus super energy. So basically exiting invisibility will grant you 5 seconds of increased super gain on debuffed targets.
I agree with this list except for the placements of Nova Warp and Blade Barrage (the fact they’re in the same tier). I’m a Titan main, so maybe there’s something I’m missing, but from my perspective, Blade Barrage seems like a good damage super in the case another Hunter is already running Gathering Storm. It’s also a good shutdown in pvp, since each blade can instakill on detonation. Nova Warp is crazy in pvp, but it’s on the level of Stormtrance in pve. Mid ad-clear and no damage.
Nice video. Ironic because in PVP glacial quake is really inconsistent but in PVE it is S tier best hybrid super in end game. And then for winter's wrath in PVP it is at least A tier but in PVE well yea F tier at best lmao.
I think it's funny that some players think that Astrocyte Verse is a must for running Nova Warp in PvP because they think it can clear the most space in the fastest time. That entirely depends on the situation. I can make it go just as fast or even faster by just using a Glide before Dark Blinking and then letting the momentum carry me. The Dark Blink will cancel the Glide, but it will also blink almost twice as hard/far as opposed to just using it and then if you're going the right way, you can just let momentum carry you and save your super energy instead of using more Dark Blinks or running Astrocyte Verse. Or you can also Glide activate + Dark Blink + Glide activate + Dark Blink + Glide activate + Dark Blink to really get somewhere and close the gap between enemies. Don't get me wrong. Astrocyte Verse is still good with it. Being able to spam Blinks is nice for evasion, especially if you're not running Devour, though I personally prefer running Devour with Nova Warp.
Forget other supers, fist of havoc is worse than some weapons it's so bad. My addclear might get worse because i can't have forbearance out and it's ability to regen super energy mid-super from kills with the light attack was taken away with arc 2.0
I would like to note that in order to use Winter's Wrath at peak effectiveness not including exotics you should run the fragment or aspect (can't remember exactly) which spawns trackers after killing frozen targets. Ad clear goes BRRRRRT this way.
Storm's Edge (aka Jason Voorhees became Thor) was instantly my favorite super, the moment I unlocked it. That being said, I can't argue it's placement, since as a PVE guy, I barely use it, since Tormentors and enemies that explode exist. Overall, can agree. Looking forward to the next vid 🙃
Fists of Havoc > Thunder Crash Imo. I have shut down so many Thunder Crashes with Fists of Havoc just by virtue of being able to reach the ground faster. After that, free one hit shoulder charges. Be cool if they made it like song of flame, though. Make the slam a grenade and the shoulder charges melee, but didn't take away our guns.
Something I’ve wondered about since its reveal, is whether or not song of flame allows witherhoard to apply infinite scorch, because that would be pretty funny.
I got a 7th Column with Song of Flame. I’ve been a Solar Warlock Main since D1 Day 1 and it takes me back to those days. It’s so, so good. Edit: Run Blink on Prismatic SoF Warlock with Astrocyte Verse, it absolutely shuts down Winters Wrath.
Song of Flame with threadling and mortar on rift is insanely fun. Just keep hitting all your abilities in order repeatedly and let the damage commence. The thing was stunning the Tormentor boss in the new strike. It’s hilarious
The good thing about blade barrage that in my opinion makes it the best one and done super in the game for pvp at least is just how it works as a big fuck you button to everything and everyone. I know, nova bomb can work like that too, but blade barrage is a super that feels like it's means to say this on a more higher level. Having basically two shots per super, one to kill the enemy super, the other to score 2 or 3 more sneaky kills, or just to blow yourself up on a wall, this super does it with style. I have gotten teamwipes with this, it just feels right (when the projectiles doesn't make a perfect circle around the enemy and literally doesn't hit them)
I was playing comp on prismatic, they popped a winter’s wrath, i tried popping my stormtrance on it, missed, got frozen, was 1hp from shatter and the non super team shots, i almost immediately killed the winter’s wrath upon thawing out, got all my health bad, and killed the entire team
Would be the best Titan super if it wasn’t so hard to use. It’s like Frenzied blade in that it sometimes just wants to aim/move away from what you are looking at. Super frustrating
I will die on the hill that Crown of Tempest + Stormtrance and Trinity Ghoul is goated in PvE. Not as high damage as some other options, but when there’s a lot of ad spawn around said targets I am able to outdamage some of the more frontloaded supers by a mile, all while effectively emptying the room of everything except the soon to die boss. I get that it can be situational, but there’s a LOT of good situations.
Spectral blades would be a lot cooler if it lasted longer. It doesn't need to be super strong. Less energy drain for using attacks and maybe giving back energy or granting invisibility for killing enemies from behind or something. If that still doesn't help it enough reduce the cooldown so at least it could be used for greater utility
SB in pvp is a must have for me. Get behind the enemy position and pop that thing at the right time, love seeing chained instakills and enemies shooting all over the place like headless chickens. Once it wears off, dodge to go stealth and scurry away.
Yesterday I got I finally got a spirit of apotheosis and spirit of the star eater exotic class item now I have the potential too do 1.4 million damage with one super
I honestly think FoH belongs in closer to C or more likely B tier. For PvP, it is one of the best Counter-Supers, being able to shut down almost any other super (other than one-offs and Daybreak/Winter’s Wrath since they fly), and provide a short and quick general “f u” to almost anything. The only drawback is the forced melee range, but it can easily close the gaps with a skilled hand using Thrusters (which auto-gen in super) and melees to dodge. As for PvE, same thing with the quick burst. However, it has a feature no one remembers. A nice thing it inherited from Subclasses 2.0 is from the Top Tree effect making the lasting AoE deal exponentially more damage from higher heights before slamming. This allows for very strong area control and burst damage on targets such as champions, mini bosses, or even bosses standing still. (Slight PvP note regarding this, the damage boost allowed it to effortlessly annihilate Bubble in its most OP state) Even now, it still retains these assets, making it a still viable pick, especially with its respectable DR. Only thing it needs to be used by people is the 5% super gains mind-super to extend it from old Bottom Tree. Maybe you could tie it into Juggernaut so people use it, idk, as that feature now would give so much utility, but still be counterable as to not be overpowered like Storm’s Edge/SoF. Also put Well into B Tier, you get its effects from general gameplay without using it, also allowing you to do other setups. It got nerfed as much as it should’ve been, and it is now respectfully shit, used only by those crutching it who can’t part with it.
Imo blade barrage should have been higher. With star eaters (and knock em down ofc) you can literally do more than a celestial nighthawk if you hit all the knives, shards of galanor let's you spam this super like crazy. Also decent ad clear, especially compared to golden both golden gun variants. In pvp if you find a group of people you can get a ton of kills with one super, also goated as a shutdown super. Downsides are that in order to get max damage from it you have to hit all knives, it also doesn't perform as good on longer distance bosses or bosses with big crit multipliers or big crit spots (kalli and shuro chi, caretaker, oryx, witness, ect) So imo probably somewhere in A tier. Also if they ever add blade barrage to prismatic hunter, you KNOW imma be using spirit of galanor and spirit of star eaters, it would be soooo good Anyways great video, love your content! ❤
Something I’ve kinda noticed about the ol hammer of sol: it’s kinda ass on prismatic because it lacks basically everything that makes it good on solar. Sunspots namely.
SHHHHHHH! People are already complaining that consecration is the only prismatic built on titan, I don't want pyro to catch a stray because bungie refuses to balance the classes properly and letting exotics be the cherry on top they're supposed to be instead of "fixing" potential problems before they happen. I'm looking at you sunspot nerf after nerf because we were getting an exotic that gives you 2x restoration, a damage buff, and a free sunspot for BAD positioning and having the audacity to take damage. Titan is by far my least played class but man i will never be able to let that shit go. Is there even someone who keeps track of what aspects and fragments get used and why? What exotic weapons and armor get used and why they get picked even if they don't top the charts? I mean fuck fucking cerberus+1 got a rework that noone cared about before we got proper subclass balancing in pve let alone SOME weapon balancing in pvp. cerberus+1? Really? That's the exotic that REALLY needed attention out of everything wrong with the sandbox as a whole right now? Don't get me wrong I'm loving alot of final shape but as someone who's be scorned by the hilarious lack of balance in crucible and how annoying champions were over the years till we got tormentors who just EAT PROJECTILES LIKE A 4 COURSE MEAL I am more than happy just continuing to live in gambit till the sandbox team gets their shit together. Cheese lord Invaders beware, you can bring all the golden guns, one shot body exotics, solo supers, and LMG spam you want, my winterbite and BxR will find you all the same :)
i wish i could play pvp, but every time i get told to kms, or never play again, that im a disapointment just because i dont play pvp oftern, never get a sentence of encouragement, i wish it wasnt this way, great vid tho, keep up the great work TDT
9:51 A fix for the ninja super would be 2x the movement speed (might be too much but still) and give it a 1.5x lunge distance BUT keeping the current timing of the lunge so that you go further when you attack in the same amount of time as now. This could fix the issue of you not being fast enough to reach your enemy before they know where you are. And with the new ballerina knife on arc hunter I think the movement increase wouldn’t be that game breaking. IMO.
Personally I would rank Vortex Nova Bomb higher than the "slow-va" variant simply because I have had absolutely horrible luck with it the latter. If I use it in PvP, 99% guarantee the "tracking" will drag it straight into the nearest wall and not do a single point of damage to any opposing targets. And in PvE virtually the same odds that if I aim it at a boss some random F-tier red bar will randomly appear, drag it away, and completely waste it on a scrub target I could have taken out with a single headshot. Meanwhile Vortex goes where I want it to go at least 85% of the time and even if it's not a direct hit it will pull targets in instead of being pulled off the mark by those targets, applying "weaken" to anything that isn't immediately wiped out by the initial blast to make both solo and team play go much more smoothly. In PvP Vortex is both an effective area-of-denial super and a "panic button" super if I thought I was tracking one enemy player and find out actually there's 3 or more in that room. I do miss the D1 options, I believe they were called "Shatter" and "lance," the 3-bomb burst and the high-speed, long-range shot. But more than that I miss the Obsidian Mind exotic helmet. It was so satisfying and really scratched that "power fantasy" itch to be able to sling one Nova at a huge group of adds to completely skip "add clear phase" and go right to "boss DPS" phase with another Nova already fully charged. On paper its signature perk was rolled into the Skull of Dire Ahamkara but it just doesn't feel anywhere near as effective (none of the "super kills return super energy" exotics live up to D1 performance) and also SoDA is just an ugly helmet and I wish they would at least give it an OM ornament. If it worked as well as the old OM that would maybe make "slow-va bomb" viable enough for me to bother with.
I really think that for roaming supers to be viable in pve, we need to be able to shoot guns while in them. Song of flame proved this. The combos people are doing with it are insane and very potent. Imagine alternating dawn blade throws with a dragons breath shot, or 1-2 punching in blade fury, or being able to shoot in between getting banner shield for a higher buff than well or bubble
They picked the wrong variation to use for Fists of Havoc. She needs her heal and time extension (and to get something when she’s Amplified). Geomags should be base Chaos Reach, I say this as someone who hasn’t taken them off since Forsaken. Stormtrance is a D1 super that snuck into D2 without a real upgrade to make it competitive. I loved it in D1, but ever since D2 came out, it’s been missing something (I’m pretty sure it has only ever been buffed - check me if I’m wrong). It needs the Radiance/Song of Flame glow up. Sentinel needs to lean into what it is and more into Void. Ursa’s should be an addition not a requirement, but Doomfangs are fun. Possibly controversial take: Blade Barrage should be the super that comes back the quickest. As in like a 6 minute cooldown, but it still wouldn’t do as much damage as a Nova Bomb on its own. It’s literally a panic super. Cayde even uses it as one in Forsaken. “Oh shit! Baddies!” Blade Barrage. I’d also like to see some way of actually being able to tell where my knives are going. Spectral Blades should be faster while Invisible! Maybe have Devour? Does it Weaken? Thundercrash should get a blast radius increase… with damage scaling like a rocket - the further away you are, the less damage you take. I always felt like I was wasting it on a big group of adds because it wouldn’t always hit all of them.
I feel like you underestimate how powerful Chaos Reach is. Having Geomags is pretty much a requirement for the super I won't argue that. However Chaos Reach is a superb super for both add clear and boss damage. For those asking why I rate it high for boss damage, ammo efficiency. There are going to be instances where heavy just will not drop. Having Geomag Chaos Reach will let you not only mitigate potential ammo problems, but you still get a solid boss damage option as well.
I feel like roaming supers like spectral blades and fist of havoc should have combos that do certain things. Like have your grenade, melee and class ability be replaced by rising attack like hunters ascension, a slam attack like titans hammer slam, and idk something else. Like if you’re on foh, if you kill enough things you can use your class ability and it will give you an over shield while in the super. Or for blades, you go invisible and while you’re invisible you have increased movement speed.
Although burning maul does have a higher burst damage with pyrogale it is extremely inconsistent. Most of the time a tcrash will do more damage since you will often miss some of your super with pyrogale. Hammers is more often preferred on a contest raid or even sometimes in a master raid as it gives you a panic button that makes you basically unkillable for a while.
The only one I slightly disagree with is quiver I’m definitely not advocating that it’s GREAT, but when you’re playing really long content like onslaught I really enjoy running it because of the massive amount of orb generation it has. When I play on salads with my one friend we’re usually spamming our supers at least once a wave when I’m running a quiver, graviton lance, siphon build.
They should really do something about the four supers at the bottom. I know bubble was touched recently, but how about something a little situational? What if, say, it was able to block something like the attacks from the witness during dps? It would take the damage instead. It would lead to the team having a safe zone, but at the same time, trading damage for said safety. Of course, these attacks would break the bubble quick. Idk, I just want Bubble to have more and better uses in pve. Just some food for thought
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@@TDTProductions sir I disagree with silence and squall and arc strider. In pve they are pretty equal especially with the right exotic. HOWEVER, pvp while in arc strider you can hold block and walk into a tornado and turn it against people. I won a trials match this way because people don’t know and sit there getting frozen by their own tornado
So i got bored
I did the average score for each class
S-tier being 6 points, A-tier being 5, and so on
Divide the total points by the # of supers
Warlocks had a score of 4.50
Hunters had a score of 4.09
And titans had a score of 3.66
Just wanted to share
Y’know I just noticed
- Hunters have 11 supers w/2 being extra variations
- Warlocks have 10 w/1 extra variant
- Titans have 9
Gambit day is nearly upon us.
Yep they all used to have 3 variations with each super and then once 3.0 came out titans went down to 6 while the others had 7 they ruined fist of havoc and now they ruined bubble but essentially gave titans another solar variation in the form of a exotic armor piece which I think they could just get rid of pyrogale and make it a variant of the solar subclass
Make that 4, 5 are the same thing with a different color and heavy attack.
yknow i never actually noticed that if you count variants as 1 super all the classes have the same amount of supers
i mean it makes perfect sense but i'm still kinda surprised
Which also translates to:
All hunter light subclasses have 3 options.
2 of the Warlock's light subclasses have 3 options.
And titans finally got that invitation to eat at the 3 super table.
My takeaway from this is how many supers have 'storm' in their name
- Needlestorm
- Gathering Storm
- Storm's Edge
- Stormtrance
No titan super has storm in their name
"This is the day we celebrate we're NOT the British and blow up the sky about it" is the most american intro i've ever heard
WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER
And you got to type that out on your hoighty toighty tippy typer....is what I would have to say if the British ruled lol
You should Google bon fire night/ Guy Fawkes
@@supasyanide ask the French
@@supasyanide ask the French
The community needs to realize that a Warlock running Song of Flame with the right aspects on Solar, with No Hesitation hip-firing for restoration, gives you a better healing and damage boost than Well does. Bungie did just nerf Restoration x2 to x1 though on Physic though so...hmm.
Not to mention letting solar and kinetic weapon apply scorch.
It lets gjallarhorn on its own set off ignitions with 2 rockets. When you factor in the rest of a team running Apex Predator your team easily sets off ignitions on cool down.
Also the damage resistance for the super in PvE let you face tank most anything in the game which lets you make very clutch plays when doing content like GMs.
I wish they would have left physics at rest 2x to have a incentive to use the gun and give other classes the ability to get rest 2x besides warlock
Song of flame lasts half as long and doesn't give hp regen, if you use no hesitation to make up for this than you're doing 0 dmg. Well of radiance even after the nerf is really really good
@@richardwenner755 wow the new support super that's built for more offensive play is worse at keeping people alive because outside of the DR that's not the point. Who could have guessed? Bungie nerfed well because it has been the best in slot for warlocks for raids and other endgame content because it gave insane survivability and the best damage buff built into a subclass (without considering the broken ass exotics it had that deserved nerfs because they were obviously unbalanced) that you can give to everyone without giving up 1 guardians damage like you do with banner block. On top of that it's STILL better than bubble in 99% of scenarios. The point is well was nerfed to give other support supers room to breathe without absolute murdering it. It's just not absolutely free in pve and pvp anymore which it should have never been that free in the first place. But guess what, you'll still be bringing multiple warlocks because a well and a song of flame together can put in work in different scenarios and together but now warlocks without a spine don't have to feel like they're forced to switch to well when the rest of the raid team refuses to accept that they aren't pulling their own weight. Well still being usable doesn't mean Song of flame isn't useful during a dps phase.
@ShadowNemesis575 throw down a rift and it keeps people alive if they near you, use healing hat exotic and its gg
The fact that thunder crash got moved to a 9min super while hunters get 3 of their own t crash that tracks and hits around cover is insane.
@@briangiordano8682 Why I stopped playing as a titan-Why put in the effort to play as one when the devs themselves don’t even give equal effort into making it fun like they do for the other classes?
@@Dennis-E92because being a Titan means having the resolve to take whatever bullshit Bungie throws at us. We are the wall
@@onyxserenity5190 lol ok, because your class totally doesn't have free overshields, the only non headshot requiring one shot kill melee in pvp, the only melee that can easily take people out of supers, the most annoying class ability that effectively shuts down a lane with a simple exotic allows the titan to shoot or snipe without any risk to themselves, you guys have essentially shatterdive with less setup on arc, numerous ways to become extremely hard to kill on arc with that shield, void with your other shield and stasis with that one exotic.
You guys may suck in PvE mostly but you're still the most oppressive pain in the ass loaded with bs cheese class to face in PvP, hunters have plenty of damage sure but they lack a wide range of defensive options, meaning that as a warlock most of what a hunter does can be countered with a healing rift, assuming the rift can be deployed in the 3-5 business days worth of animation it takes before the hunter does something crazy.
@@adambrown6669 womp womp
@@adambrown6669 and all of that explains why i run into maybe 1 titan every 2-3 games in pvp? The simple exotic i assume you are talking about citans ramparts which got nerfed hella hard multiple seasons ago by making the barrier get destroyed faster? Also if you are getting suppressed by the titans void shield charge in pvp while after you popped ur super tbh thats a skill issue
Just like asking Bungie, this video needs to separate PvP and PvE tier list
as a titan main I think you were too kind to our supers, twilight is good-ish but not good enough to be S-tier that tracking just does whatever the hell it wants too sometimes so I would say A
bladefurry is good for applicable bosses but at the end of the day its still another melee super
Glacial Quake is too situational to be really used and most people hate it in PvP.
Thunder crash is nothing without that exotic, same for burning maul expect it usually gets more use, both really are also situational which sucks.
Bubble was publicly executed and sentinel shield with ursa furiosa takes a man out of the damage phase, the trade off for damage is not worth it sadly.
fist of havoc is indeed a steaming pile of shite, hammer of sol is good for survivability and a great ranged super for PvP.
we still need more one and dones for titan, give all classes a 2nd stasis and strand super and make sure titans are damage dealers at range, one and done too!
agreed
theres always gonna be necessary exotics, just look at celestial nighthawk or stareaters for nova now
I'm a warlock main but I've always wanted titan to get a nova bomb style stasis super that just forms a massive glacier and hurls it at stuff. Feel like it would check a lot of needed boxes and stick to the titan theme of "everything we do has to show off our muscles" 😂
@@zlr9022 Still surprised Still Hunt synergizes with Nighthawk.
glacial quake is the best super in the game for pvp. u just gotta know how to use it. no other super can hit me and i can 1v1 every super in the game and win
It's hard to say how to make Stormtrance better. Outside of giving it an insanely fast cooldown, which probably still wouldn't really help. Maybe it should give some kind of buff to your allies? Something with ionic traces and amplify probably.
Edit: Just wanted to add the two cents of my friend group and I, if a super needs an exotic to function (Chaos Reach with Geomags, Thudercrash with Cuirass, ect.) that exotics functionality should just be folded into the base super IMO. The exotic can then be made to do something else.
I say that conduction tines from the helmet should be rolled into the main super and the damage should be increased substantially so that it can easily melt things like stunned champions and majors. Make it more or less the best room clear super in the game.
Give it the same change they did to the Chain Lightning melee a while ago.
While amplified you create a second chain that splits after the first target.
Would let it deal double damage against a single target, which it needs, and then also improve its add clear functionality which is the main job of the super.
Make it do Thurnderlord/Cloudstrike lightning with sustained damage. Done.
Use the chest piece....kill 3 ads and it gives you half the super back and boosts damage with each kill...your welcome
Maybe when you're Amplified, it increases the range of the lightning, how many enemies it can chain from and removes the ramp up needed to hit max damage and just gives it to you outright? Would at least stop you from just holding the attack to keep the damage up when moving from group to group and accelerating how fast the super drains as a result
The Wii Play Tank game music for the intro of this video instantly filled me with nostalgia and American pride at the same time
I was gonna say that but didn’t want to copy anyone!!! The memory!😊
the bubble changes also made helm of saint 14 loose the void overshield upgrade for the mini bubble and normal making its only synergy useless in any content it even had a use
It really sucks, I love bubble, they made it so bad, they could tie blessing, armor and weapons with different aspects at least; there’s room for play like how they put knock out as a option or sunspots, they could be benefits that are placed with a build so you can play around with it and make helm still blind people and maybe have the old glass house effect of increasing the benefits or length of these effects.
This is why D1 >
Titan bubble was actually useful back then 😭
Something EVERYONE forgets about tether is that killing tethered targets prolongs the duration.
and it's incredible for catalyst progress for presicion weapons too.
Shooting tethered enemies distributes the damage as an AOE to all enemies tethered, kills this way count as kills with the weapon you're using.
Bro tried to sneak nova warp in B 💀
@@xerxes2568 😂😭
at its prime its an S tier super. This prime is just not a place people like talking about (PvP and blink)
@@TDTProductionsBy that logic, the Warlock stasis super would be S tier
@@thehale_ which is why its in A, correct
@@TDTProductionsNah, I like Nova Warp but putting it higher than Chaos Reach feels wrong lol
I don’t blame you for calling Burning maul Pyrogales 😂😂
1:51 Ideas on how to fix Storm Trance:
⚪️Make it so the initial explosion is longer ranged and spherical.
⚪️Make it so that you and surrounding allies are immediately amplified and have their health regen jump-started.
⚪️Make it so that the super blinds and jolts enemies that are around ones you struck down with the super.
⚪️Make it so that the super ends with a final explosion of lighting that’s exactly like the opening strike.
TDT one more difference between cataclysm and vortex mainly applicable in pve is that cataclysm blocks shots and vortex doesn't, this can come up in some damage phases
I have a lot of fun with Storms Edge, but I once clowned on a Hunter by literally just jumping over all three charges. I don't know I he was just that bad, or nobody realizes you can do that, but it happened. Never really had a problem facing it. But, your mileage may vary
Yeah I don't think Storms Edge is good
@@jesseritchie9282 It's good if it's in the right hands, but not quite as broken as memesome has made it out to be.
I always try to jump over it but never had any success. Either I would have to predict it or they just whiff. If you’re a hunter since they have the faster way to get in the air it’ll be easier for them
nova warp > chaos reach is wild...
Chaos reach is only good because tickle fingers is ass
While nova warp is only looked down on because nova bomb is crazy good
I am a nova warp dubstep enjoyer and you can't dream of stopping me
Yup not only that but Winter's wrath in A is WILD.
Because it is better, Nova warp is too niche.
@@amerhst1201 Now this I agree with, winters wrath is complete ass in PVE and slow as heck in PVP.
That thrall conga line gave me joy
Timestamp?
You have no idea how good a blinking Stormtrance is in PvP.
If only Astrocyte made the mini blinks free like it does for Nova Warp
@@likafoss w suggestion honestly
Glacial quake is ass in pvp, especially with the recent changes.
After the balance patch to right Beyond Light’s wrongs, it lost a lot of damage resistance and regaining a modicum of that lost damage resistance was relegated to whisper of chains…then the frost armor rework happened now we have one of the lowest DRs in the game unless we use an entire aspect (tectonic harvest) to get frost armor stacks.
The “buffs” to stasis titan were hilariously backwards and nerfed them into oblivion. They need a close look into their kit to fix a lot of the unfair treatment the subclass is getting during broad adjustments…these adjustments are disproportionately destroying the behemoth kit
They looked to the few behemoth mains left, took a golf club, and promptly bashed our knees out.
Its because Bungie doesnt know Behemoth identity. It's a speed class or a tank behemoth like its name? I understand when behemoth launched it was the two, but Bungie nerfed both of those qualities instead of one.
Here is me advocating for blade barrage: It is the fastest burst option for hunter where crit spot is hard to hit, and even when crits are accessible, a full stack star eater BB out damages both celestial and star eater goldie (but lower dps, since you can pre pop celestial) as long as you can hit most of the knifes. It does make it less viable on certain bosses like witness, but it is no slouch in pve.
Also a side note, in GM content where your loadout is locked, star eater BB is a much more versatile option that can both burst champs and clear rooms, as well as giving you high uptime on your super.
I do understand that much of this hinges on star eater, but if goldie is that much worse without celestial, I think this much is at least fair.
Only thing is is that now you have even more reason to run celestial bc of still hunt. There’s j not much reason to run SES BB anymore bc of thst
I understand that still hunt is really strong right now, but it also isn't the optimal option in every situation (bosses with awkward crit spots, and a fire team that doesn't want to run div). Still hunt and celestial being strong doesn't make star eater BB any weaker.
That and the fact that we all know they must be nerfing still hunt very soon as well.
@@gavinhazan1415 right but power creep isn't affecting rankings, or the Deadshot goldy would be much lower
I was struggling on soloing the grasp of avarice boss and I was about to die and I just spammed my super button and it worked.
Pretty sure celestial is better now than even star eater blade barrage since it got buffed last season.
Fun fact about daybreak, it has unique animations and effects for phoenix dive, which also lets it do damage. I really wish that we could get the damage from phoenix dive with an exotic, but for now tis but a dream.
1:21
Another advantage is in precision… This variant doesn’t have the tracking on the main bomb, so you can nail the main target you were hoping for in a room full of enemies the cataclysm might veer towards
If you're using Sentinel for Ad Clear or PvP, you basically have to use Doom Fang Pauldrons.
Bubble in D tier? I haven't done Trials in a minute but is it really that good in trials still? Would have figured with the demand of Helm of Saint-14 that the super would fall off a cliff and land squarely in E/F tier.
Always loved how needlestorm is the darkness equivalent of slowva, they are both one off explosive supers that launch little guys to attack, just ones a big bomb and the other is a bunch of tiny ones, same with with blade barrage and silence and squall, sentinel sheild and blade fury, and dawnblade and winters wrath, they all basically have the same dna but are changed to represent the difference between light and dark
You can really tell just how much Titans have gotten shafted with this video alone
Silkstrike and Sentinel Shield both deserve A-teir in my opinion. Putting Hammer of Sol beneath Nova Warp seems to be a stretch at best, and evidence of huge mental issues at worst.
I remember Stormcaller used to feel really powerful in D1, it’s not the same in D2
Still pretty powerful, just has no survivability
I’m imagining the Titan supers won’t do to hot tbh
Silence and squall being A tier and getting called the best one and one hunter super in PvP is crazy. The animation is so insanely long and you have barely any DR, making most of its casts result in either a trade or a death before squall can get thrown. I’d rank it top of C tier personally, or you may be able to argue B, but A is crazy
For me, I only use Fists of Havoc for nostalgy and on patrol, just reminds me of the simpler times. When we had only 2 primaries and one heavy.
The tank music at the start is awesome
It would be cool if the Supers Tier List is separated for PvE and PvP. But the video is still amazing :)
Spectral Blades are so underrated, i have wiped out entire teams in PVP with it and in PVE as a hunter who focuses on invisibility its got so many uses, great for ad clearing and its invisibility is so useful since it lasts for the whole super if you dont strike. It has allowed me to save so many otherwise dead runs just by always being able to revive everyone.
I remember how opressive spectral blades was when it first came out. Crazy how much it's fallen and been forgotten about.-
As an arcstrider PvP main I feel very validated by this video
“Is like using a brick to give yourself a haircut” is the most diabolical sentence ever 😂
9:28
I was thinking about this a while back, and I came up with a spectral blades overhaul.
So first, no more third person, switching to first person view, to really give that stalker vibe, also replace the twin blades with one void empowered knife, like in the subclass ability screen. Renaming the super to Spectral Wraith (or something better)
Second, complete invisibility, all actions done while this super is active are completely silent in PVE, ads will no longer turn to your direction and start firing wildly if you need to get on to a ledge to get to your next target and muffled in PVP.
Third, time for the more meaty stuff:
Movement speed and jump height is greatly increased while in stealth mode. Additionally, all abilities do 100% more damage (20% more to weapons) and will 100% crit without having to trigger it's crit condition.
Abilities:
Passives: Stealth mode
Increased ability regen.
Grants true sight.
Increases Lunge and Silent Knife damage and causes the next instance of these two to deal critical damage. Dealing critical damage weakens and suppresses the target (works for weapons too, but have to deal precision damage) Defeating enemies brings you back into stealth mode.
It is possible to fire your weapons while in this mode, it's basically a void song of flame, but you can't really chain together it's abilities like song of flame for boss damage, instead it's boss damage will come from the smoke screens made by trappers ambush.
Dodge: now intrinsically has vanishing step to go back into stealth mode. Has increased energy regeneration (Halves the cooldown, based on your own mobility) gains class ability energy after dealing damage (45% after draling damage)
If trappers ambush is equipped, Dodging to enter stealth mode again will deploy a smoke screen around you, disorienting enemies for a short time and granting allies invisibility(5 seconds)
Lunge: Melee button
While in stealth mode, preform a long range dash at your target, teleporting behind and preforming a back stab and then a following it with a devastating slash, dealing damage to enemies around you and making them volatile. When not in stealth mode, just preform the back stab with shorter range, dealing critical damage.
When in close range, preform a three hit combo with your knife, dealing increased damage the more debuffs are on the enemy.
Silent knife: Grenade button
Hurl your void knife infused with paracausality, when it hits an enemy, it'll cause that enemy to implode, pulling nearby enemies in, then explode with void damage, enemies hit by the implosion are made volatile and explode when killed.
If the knife lands in the ground it does a larger, weaker implosion and releases a wide range corrosive smoke cloud (8 seconds), disorienting, damaging and highlighting enemies.
If trappers ambush is equipped, allies who enter the smoke cloud are granted invisibility (lasts for 7 seconds if they leave) truesight (lasts for 3 seconds if they leave) and increases precision damage while standing in the smoke cloud (New ambush buff, lasts for 10 seconds after leaving the smoke cloud, 35% increased precision damage while standing in the smoke cloud, 20% after leaving the smoke cloud)
Won't exit invisiblity after firing a weapon as long as you're in the smoke cloud.
When not in stealth mode, hurl your knife, doing greatly increased precision damage. Hits to the head or the backs of enemies will deal critical damage.
This is probably the most scuffed thing to ever be thought up, but it's an overhaul and is at least better than the current one.
Just thought about it some more, this could pair with certain exotics like Omni oculus and does open the idea to the likes of Gwisin vest getting a rework too.
Maybe instead of extending the super duration:
Grants trappers ambush.
Exiting stealth mode or invisibility deploys a smoke cloud (5 seconds) defeating debuffed enemies while the smoke cloud is active grants bonus super energy.
So basically exiting invisibility will grant you 5 seconds of increased super gain on debuffed targets.
I agree with this list except for the placements of Nova Warp and Blade Barrage (the fact they’re in the same tier). I’m a Titan main, so maybe there’s something I’m missing, but from my perspective, Blade Barrage seems like a good damage super in the case another Hunter is already running Gathering Storm. It’s also a good shutdown in pvp, since each blade can instakill on detonation. Nova Warp is crazy in pvp, but it’s on the level of Stormtrance in pve. Mid ad-clear and no damage.
Nice video. Ironic because in PVP glacial quake is really inconsistent but in PVE it is S tier best hybrid super in end game.
And then for winter's wrath in PVP it is at least A tier but in PVE well yea F tier at best lmao.
Storm's Edge is also crazy in PVE for adds that don't listen and bunch up, and is also pretty solid single target with all 3 spins combined. S-tier
I think it's funny that some players think that Astrocyte Verse is a must for running Nova Warp in PvP because they think it can clear the most space in the fastest time. That entirely depends on the situation. I can make it go just as fast or even faster by just using a Glide before Dark Blinking and then letting the momentum carry me. The Dark Blink will cancel the Glide, but it will also blink almost twice as hard/far as opposed to just using it and then if you're going the right way, you can just let momentum carry you and save your super energy instead of using more Dark Blinks or running Astrocyte Verse. Or you can also Glide activate + Dark Blink + Glide activate + Dark Blink + Glide activate + Dark Blink to really get somewhere and close the gap between enemies.
Don't get me wrong. Astrocyte Verse is still good with it. Being able to spam Blinks is nice for evasion, especially if you're not running Devour, though I personally prefer running Devour with Nova Warp.
Forget other supers, fist of havoc is worse than some weapons it's so bad.
My addclear might get worse because i can't have forbearance out and it's ability to regen super energy mid-super from kills with the light attack was taken away with arc 2.0
Hey @tdt thanks for not hurting my glacial quake. I've fallen in love with it for add clear and just a tol to p off players in pvp
I would like to note that in order to use Winter's Wrath at peak effectiveness not including exotics you should run the fragment or aspect (can't remember exactly) which spawns trackers after killing frozen targets. Ad clear goes BRRRRRT this way.
11:19 Someone forgot about Doomfang Pauldrons. They make Sentinel Shield last forever.
Storm's Edge (aka Jason Voorhees became Thor) was instantly my favorite super, the moment I unlocked it. That being said, I can't argue it's placement, since as a PVE guy, I barely use it, since Tormentors and enemies that explode exist. Overall, can agree. Looking forward to the next vid 🙃
Fists of Havoc > Thunder Crash Imo. I have shut down so many Thunder Crashes with Fists of Havoc just by virtue of being able to reach the ground faster. After that, free one hit shoulder charges. Be cool if they made it like song of flame, though. Make the slam a grenade and the shoulder charges melee, but didn't take away our guns.
Something I’ve wondered about since its reveal, is whether or not song of flame allows witherhoard to apply infinite scorch, because that would be pretty funny.
I got a 7th Column with Song of Flame. I’ve been a Solar Warlock Main since D1 Day 1 and it takes me back to those days. It’s so, so good.
Edit: Run Blink on Prismatic SoF Warlock with Astrocyte Verse, it absolutely shuts down Winters Wrath.
Song of Flame with threadling and mortar on rift is insanely fun. Just keep hitting all your abilities in order repeatedly and let the damage commence. The thing was stunning the Tormentor boss in the new strike. It’s hilarious
Glacial Wake SHINES with prismatics neutral game 14:37
Six shooter being above Chaos Reach is criminal
Oh my god that background music at the beginning took me back to being a kid playing on the Wii with my brother
The good thing about blade barrage that in my opinion makes it the best one and done super in the game for pvp at least is just how it works as a big fuck you button to everything and everyone. I know, nova bomb can work like that too, but blade barrage is a super that feels like it's means to say this on a more higher level. Having basically two shots per super, one to kill the enemy super, the other to score 2 or 3 more sneaky kills, or just to blow yourself up on a wall, this super does it with style. I have gotten teamwipes with this, it just feels right (when the projectiles doesn't make a perfect circle around the enemy and literally doesn't hit them)
Also you can extend the timer for the stasis hunter super by 5 seconds with a fragment
Idk if it’s intended but very welcome
I was playing comp on prismatic, they popped a winter’s wrath, i tried popping my stormtrance on it, missed, got frozen, was 1hp from shatter and the non super team shots, i almost immediately killed the winter’s wrath upon thawing out, got all my health bad, and killed the entire team
I adore that you see how good glacial quake is
Would be the best Titan super if it wasn’t so hard to use. It’s like Frenzied blade in that it sometimes just wants to aim/move away from what you are looking at. Super frustrating
Burning maul is honestly crazy in pvp, with sun warrior active the super can last like a full minute if you don't attack.
I will die on the hill that Crown of Tempest + Stormtrance and Trinity Ghoul is goated in PvE. Not as high damage as some other options, but when there’s a lot of ad spawn around said targets I am able to outdamage some of the more frontloaded supers by a mile, all while effectively emptying the room of everything except the soon to die boss. I get that it can be situational, but there’s a LOT of good situations.
Putting Glacial Quake anywhere above C tier is genuinely absurd
Spectral blades would be a lot cooler if it lasted longer. It doesn't need to be super strong. Less energy drain for using attacks and maybe giving back energy or granting invisibility for killing enemies from behind or something. If that still doesn't help it enough reduce the cooldown so at least it could be used for greater utility
And in addition, the blows from the super really hit the target and do not go over the target or like hitting with a sword without ammunition xd
SB in pvp is a must have for me. Get behind the enemy position and pop that thing at the right time, love seeing chained instakills and enemies shooting all over the place like headless chickens. Once it wears off, dodge to go stealth and scurry away.
Stormtrance needs a Celestial Nighthawk equivalent that ends the super with just the lightning blast below you but juices it up to crazy proportions.
I remember a time when you could individually shoot your six arrows for shadowshot.
Calling a well of radiance a “deployable middle finger” made my day lol
Yesterday I got I finally got a spirit of apotheosis and spirit of the star eater exotic class item now I have the potential too do 1.4 million damage with one super
I honestly think FoH belongs in closer to C or more likely B tier.
For PvP, it is one of the best Counter-Supers, being able to shut down almost any other super (other than one-offs and Daybreak/Winter’s Wrath since they fly), and provide a short and quick general “f u” to almost anything. The only drawback is the forced melee range, but it can easily close the gaps with a skilled hand using Thrusters (which auto-gen in super) and melees to dodge.
As for PvE, same thing with the quick burst. However, it has a feature no one remembers. A nice thing it inherited from Subclasses 2.0 is from the Top Tree effect making the lasting AoE deal exponentially more damage from higher heights before slamming. This allows for very strong area control and burst damage on targets such as champions, mini bosses, or even bosses standing still. (Slight PvP note regarding this, the damage boost allowed it to effortlessly annihilate Bubble in its most OP state)
Even now, it still retains these assets, making it a still viable pick, especially with its respectable DR. Only thing it needs to be used by people is the 5% super gains mind-super to extend it from old Bottom Tree. Maybe you could tie it into Juggernaut so people use it, idk, as that feature now would give so much utility, but still be counterable as to not be overpowered like Storm’s Edge/SoF.
Also put Well into B Tier, you get its effects from general gameplay without using it, also allowing you to do other setups. It got nerfed as much as it should’ve been, and it is now respectfully shit, used only by those crutching it who can’t part with it.
Song of Flame with heat rises and speakers sight is just a Healing Ultimate its great
Imo blade barrage should have been higher. With star eaters (and knock em down ofc) you can literally do more than a celestial nighthawk if you hit all the knives, shards of galanor let's you spam this super like crazy. Also decent ad clear, especially compared to golden both golden gun variants. In pvp if you find a group of people you can get a ton of kills with one super, also goated as a shutdown super. Downsides are that in order to get max damage from it you have to hit all knives, it also doesn't perform as good on longer distance bosses or bosses with big crit multipliers or big crit spots (kalli and shuro chi, caretaker, oryx, witness, ect)
So imo probably somewhere in A tier.
Also if they ever add blade barrage to prismatic hunter, you KNOW imma be using spirit of galanor and spirit of star eaters, it would be soooo good
Anyways great video, love your content! ❤
I'm still baffled on why they thought Ward of Dawn deserved to be executed like that.
just realized a charged salvations grip shot
is bassicly a pocket behemoth slam
I can see the future, all the titan supers are going to be B and below except the axes.
Something I’ve kinda noticed about the ol hammer of sol: it’s kinda ass on prismatic because it lacks basically everything that makes it good on solar. Sunspots namely.
Missed opportunity to call stormtrance either sith lord or tickle fingers
SHHHHHHH! People are already complaining that consecration is the only prismatic built on titan, I don't want pyro to catch a stray because bungie refuses to balance the classes properly and letting exotics be the cherry on top they're supposed to be instead of "fixing" potential problems before they happen. I'm looking at you sunspot nerf after nerf because we were getting an exotic that gives you 2x restoration, a damage buff, and a free sunspot for BAD positioning and having the audacity to take damage. Titan is by far my least played class but man i will never be able to let that shit go. Is there even someone who keeps track of what aspects and fragments get used and why? What exotic weapons and armor get used and why they get picked even if they don't top the charts? I mean fuck fucking cerberus+1 got a rework that noone cared about before we got proper subclass balancing in pve let alone SOME weapon balancing in pvp. cerberus+1? Really? That's the exotic that REALLY needed attention out of everything wrong with the sandbox as a whole right now? Don't get me wrong I'm loving alot of final shape but as someone who's be scorned by the hilarious lack of balance in crucible and how annoying champions were over the years till we got tormentors who just EAT PROJECTILES LIKE A 4 COURSE MEAL I am more than happy just continuing to live in gambit till the sandbox team gets their shit together. Cheese lord Invaders beware, you can bring all the golden guns, one shot body exotics, solo supers, and LMG spam you want, my winterbite and BxR will find you all the same :)
This is my first video of yours, and you won a sub with that intro😂
i wish i could play pvp, but every time i get told to kms, or never play again, that im a disapointment just because i dont play pvp oftern, never get a sentence of encouragement, i wish it wasnt this way, great vid tho, keep up the great work TDT
9:51 A fix for the ninja super would be 2x the movement speed (might be too much but still) and give it a 1.5x lunge distance BUT keeping the current timing of the lunge so that you go further when you attack in the same amount of time as now. This could fix the issue of you not being fast enough to reach your enemy before they know where you are. And with the new ballerina knife on arc hunter I think the movement increase wouldn’t be that game breaking. IMO.
Personally I would rank Vortex Nova Bomb higher than the "slow-va" variant simply because I have had absolutely horrible luck with it the latter. If I use it in PvP, 99% guarantee the "tracking" will drag it straight into the nearest wall and not do a single point of damage to any opposing targets. And in PvE virtually the same odds that if I aim it at a boss some random F-tier red bar will randomly appear, drag it away, and completely waste it on a scrub target I could have taken out with a single headshot.
Meanwhile Vortex goes where I want it to go at least 85% of the time and even if it's not a direct hit it will pull targets in instead of being pulled off the mark by those targets, applying "weaken" to anything that isn't immediately wiped out by the initial blast to make both solo and team play go much more smoothly. In PvP Vortex is both an effective area-of-denial super and a "panic button" super if I thought I was tracking one enemy player and find out actually there's 3 or more in that room.
I do miss the D1 options, I believe they were called "Shatter" and "lance," the 3-bomb burst and the high-speed, long-range shot. But more than that I miss the Obsidian Mind exotic helmet. It was so satisfying and really scratched that "power fantasy" itch to be able to sling one Nova at a huge group of adds to completely skip "add clear phase" and go right to "boss DPS" phase with another Nova already fully charged. On paper its signature perk was rolled into the Skull of Dire Ahamkara but it just doesn't feel anywhere near as effective (none of the "super kills return super energy" exotics live up to D1 performance) and also SoDA is just an ugly helmet and I wish they would at least give it an OM ornament. If it worked as well as the old OM that would maybe make "slow-va bomb" viable enough for me to bother with.
Bro it’s 1 day early
I really think that for roaming supers to be viable in pve, we need to be able to shoot guns while in them. Song of flame proved this. The combos people are doing with it are insane and very potent. Imagine alternating dawn blade throws with a dragons breath shot, or 1-2 punching in blade fury, or being able to shoot in between getting banner shield for a higher buff than well or bubble
liked and subscribed for the sea bear circle reference in pvp
They picked the wrong variation to use for Fists of Havoc. She needs her heal and time extension (and to get something when she’s Amplified).
Geomags should be base Chaos Reach, I say this as someone who hasn’t taken them off since Forsaken.
Stormtrance is a D1 super that snuck into D2 without a real upgrade to make it competitive. I loved it in D1, but ever since D2 came out, it’s been missing something (I’m pretty sure it has only ever been buffed - check me if I’m wrong). It needs the Radiance/Song of Flame glow up.
Sentinel needs to lean into what it is and more into Void. Ursa’s should be an addition not a requirement, but Doomfangs are fun.
Possibly controversial take: Blade Barrage should be the super that comes back the quickest. As in like a 6 minute cooldown, but it still wouldn’t do as much damage as a Nova Bomb on its own. It’s literally a panic super. Cayde even uses it as one in Forsaken. “Oh shit! Baddies!” Blade Barrage. I’d also like to see some way of actually being able to tell where my knives are going.
Spectral Blades should be faster while Invisible! Maybe have Devour? Does it Weaken?
Thundercrash should get a blast radius increase… with damage scaling like a rocket - the further away you are, the less damage you take. I always felt like I was wasting it on a big group of adds because it wouldn’t always hit all of them.
Wii play tanks minigame soundtrack hits HARD 0:00 - 0:10
I feel like you underestimate how powerful Chaos Reach is.
Having Geomags is pretty much a requirement for the super I won't argue that. However Chaos Reach is a superb super for both add clear and boss damage.
For those asking why I rate it high for boss damage, ammo efficiency. There are going to be instances where heavy just will not drop. Having Geomag Chaos Reach will let you not only mitigate potential ammo problems, but you still get a solid boss damage option as well.
I feel like roaming supers like spectral blades and fist of havoc should have combos that do certain things. Like have your grenade, melee and class ability be replaced by rising attack like hunters ascension, a slam attack like titans hammer slam, and idk something else. Like if you’re on foh, if you kill enough things you can use your class ability and it will give you an over shield while in the super. Or for blades, you go invisible and while you’re invisible you have increased movement speed.
I saw what you did at the end, and I respect that
Although burning maul does have a higher burst damage with pyrogale it is extremely inconsistent. Most of the time a tcrash will do more damage since you will often miss some of your super with pyrogale. Hammers is more often preferred on a contest raid or even sometimes in a master raid as it gives you a panic button that makes you basically unkillable for a while.
The only one I slightly disagree with is quiver
I’m definitely not advocating that it’s GREAT, but when you’re playing really long content like onslaught I really enjoy running it because of the massive amount of orb generation it has. When I play on salads with my one friend we’re usually spamming our supers at least once a wave when I’m running a quiver, graviton lance, siphon build.
I said if once and I'll say it again. Destiny 2 bubble is the worst bubble shield I've ever used.
Nova warp being B-tier is a F-tier take.
Blade barrage in low B-tier is a F-tier take
“like using a brick to get your haircut” RIP Nova Warp
4:05 sneaky little Arrow reference
Spec Blades takes an absolute god (+Gwisin Vest) to be effective anymore. I still remember the days when it dominated Crucible
i remember when top tree stormcaller used to absolutely CLEAR
If I'm running stasis warlock in pve I like using agents scepter to do better dmg to bosses than the super
They should really do something about the four supers at the bottom. I know bubble was touched recently, but how about something a little situational?
What if, say, it was able to block something like the attacks from the witness during dps? It would take the damage instead.
It would lead to the team having a safe zone, but at the same time, trading damage for said safety.
Of course, these attacks would break the bubble quick.
Idk, I just want Bubble to have more and better uses in pve. Just some food for thought