I Made a Game with Infinite Levels...
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2019
- I entered the Community Game Jam 2019. Here's what I came up with...
PLAY THE GAME: samwel.itch.io/wheres-bill
→ Twitter: / samhgames
→ Music by Trevor Lentz: / trevor-d-lentz
I finally got around to participating in a game jam. One week. The theme: the game is a liar. Hmmmm. Yeah, instead of doing that, let's make an infinite platformer! I'm too lazy to make levels myself, so I employed a lil procedural generation to build the levels for me. The game surrounds a robot that can't find his friend Bill. Hop from platform to platform in an endless search for the elusive figure. WHERE'S BILL?
I had a lot of fun making this game; it feels good to get something "published" every once in a while. There are of course tons of bugs and issues with the game, like most levels being pretty boring. Oh well. - Наука та технологія
PLOT TWIST:the robot IS Bill, he lost his memory and everything he remembers is the name Bill, so he will search for him forever but never find him because he is searching for himself
Well that's depressing
Bruh
Dude now my vibe is ruined
That’s deep
Deep
"The game is due tomorrow, and it doesn't seem close to finished." This is a sentence i can relate to
Lol same tbh
@@duhconfusionlord4863 it's a joke, Duh
My Science Project:
@@Jords250 yes it is. Why are you pointing this out to me as I already know.
I edited so you don't know why I have 1 like
I actually do like how you've used the idea that the game is lying. It's so subtle but effective how the intro sets you up to think that there's an ending but there just never is
"This game is literally endless"
Speedrunners: 3 minutes, take it or leave it
Sam Hogan: I Made a Game with Infinite Levels...
FEW YEARS LATER:
Some random UA-camr: The story behind Where's bill? (YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT WE FOUND)
give me the link of that video plssss
@@K-orange it don't teal
@@K-orange ye in a few years
oh.... well then..... that's dumb of me
Andrew O. Yeah I heard it only blue
The fact that he will never find his friend bill makes the game more depressing
He is bill
@@TopsyTurvyLolz n o
@@heloimhelo2627 y e s
@@TopsyTurvyLolz well yes, but actually no, but maybe yes
Bill is long dead
ok yeah in the nicest way possible screw you sam
i was watching this while laying down and the games soundtrack almost made me fall asleep for me its just so calming
Love the idea! The robot makes it seem like a dystopian city aesthetic may fit better than grassy hills, but that's just me. This is so cool!
That’s the best part, a dystopia by definition is populated. Grassland on the other hand, not so much…. thereby adding to the sense of loneliness, & hopeless of searching for someone who can’t be found
it could be a robot reactivated 3 million years after a catastrophe where humanity went extinct, and the only thing he remembers is his human friend Bill
@@schewtsor his human friend calling HIM bill, and he doesn’t REMEMEBR who bill was so he’s trying to find him
@@mailingcat Dannodraws viewer
@@M4ximumCheese how could you tell /j
To the untrained mind, this could be a metaphor for loneliness.
@Luan Leonardo and music that can make people cry
But to the trained it is life
True
What up fellow fox
@@FutureYT Mother 3
I love how you didn't randomly generate new seeds, so that people don't know the game is actually infinite.
Uh buddy
Damianos Outskas oof
Devin Clark yes buddy *W H A T*
@@olive8047 *P A L*
@@olive8047 LAD
Imagine if Matpat made a game theory on this
lets do
GAME THEORY: BILL IS SANS
This brings "This is the only level" to a whole new level. Get it?
Took me a bit but yes
Ya 😂
He should’ve have named it “the shortest game ever”, and have it repeatedly say that it only has a few levels, and you can beat the entire thing in under an hour
Good idea
if i joined the game jam and i could program i would of done that
raaston learning unity is not so hard
Yeah that was my initial idea
I honestly thought he was going to do that.
I love how the eyes change colors with different robots
Me i love the music so much
Me too! That was a great detail he totally forgot to mention! Also, background music kinda reminds me of C418, which is good because of what feel it gives the player! Kinda like endlessness and peace I guess, while also having that kinda lonely feel (which makes total sense since he's trying to find Bill)
@@lunarcat3283 well then he's the first known robot with multiple personality disorder
YEh
@Cooked Bread same here
This feels a bit like Minecraft, a calming world full of mysteries and questions, so good job on that immersive music
"Even though the levels are randomly generated, all players will get the same levels" - This guy, 2021
I think what he means is that it is constantly adding new levels to every copy of the game. So basically it is like constantly updating the game for every single person, I think.
ok
@@electricpepperoni4789 no it’s like Minecraft seeds: it’s random, but predictably, so everyone will see the same levels but he doesn’t have to design them all
you can only have pseudo-randomness in computers, he just didn't make it look more random
Just like Daggerfall dungeons
This gives off either “Its a simple game with deep meanings we will never know/understand” vibe or “it might be a simple game *at first* but i know this will become a horror game” vibe
Or its just a simple game made for fun
So basically it's ddlc?
Lautaro Taibo YES
@@eap4177
Oui
@@nottaibo whats ddlc lol
Sorta sad tbh
A little robot wandering infinitely in search of a friend that doesn't exist to begin with.
That music helps with a sad atmosphere as well.
The music is kinda boring though
Human music
"I have traveled for millions and millions of Miles. Oh, poor innocent me. When i started walking i though i would wander for a couple miles and find Billy, but it never happened. Perhaps i took a wrong curve. All i know is that in all of these years, my consciousness passed trough thousands of bodies and many more are just dead. But in all this time it never passed through my metal brain... that i never saw billy. I never heard him voice. I never even had a reason to become his friend. I don't know anymore if he even exists. The only thing i know is that i will never stop searching, even if the universe ends..."
@@4ns00 this is exactly what i was going to say
What's even more unsettling is that the remnants of past robots don't disappear, which emphasizes the creepy endless aspect of the game in my opinion...
probably will make a great time killer game. keep it up sam!
the music is so chill UwU. Sam you learn fast.
I have way too much empathy for this random robot that can’t find his friend.
His friend is an illusion
3rd reply
The Juice Buddies ua-cam.com/video/BLUkgRAy_Vo/v-deo.html
Rawan LOL
You mean bill because his name is bill lol
Day: 398 i still haven't found any clues that Bill even exists, but my memory circuits don't lie so i guess I'll keep searching.
Dude that's f****** depressing...good job
Day 1,000,000 : all the batteries on earth is out of energy, however I can’t fine Bill yet. I have 5 minute left before the last battery is out. Where are you Bill ? I wonder if he’s ever exist ? I wonder if he’s going somewhere beyond earth ? I even question my own command to find Bill is just a command that tell me to move forward ?.........
Battery left 70%
...
50%
...
30%
...
10%
...
Well non of that matter now
6%
Because I did it my best
5%
And if I fail
4%
It’s better than doing nothing
3%
And if heaven ever exist for Non-living thing
2%
I hope I see you there
1%
Bill
0 %
@@antifbi4562 Wow. Right the way up to level ten with the depression. I'm genuinely upset now for this robot.
@@antifbi4562 i am affected
Please dont hurt me
Day 1,000,001 a battery maker has made a battery that can be charged he’s put the new battery in ME his name was bob I said thank you and he said what made you look for all the battery’s left I said to find my friend bill and then he said he will help me find him he brought his battery charger and extra battery’s with us and now WE are looking for bill. Today I made a new friend
3:39 it’s kinda funny how the lagging bugged out head was vibin with the pixel song there
I dont know why but the music has some sort of sad melody that still makes me happy,relaxed man you earned a sub...
Speedrunners:
I've been playing this game for 21 years. I'm starting to think that this game doesn't have an ending.
“I’m starting to think bill doesn’t exist..”
Its horrifying to think that this hopeless robot never find bill
XtrARemix - Roblox he is bill..
Backup Llama crazy no
That’s not canon
Kinda depressing. A never ending quest to find something that doesn't exist... The music is sad too.
the music is sad too 😔✊🏾
Yeah the music and the graphics make me feel really lonely, it’s kind of unsettling but also funny because he literally just slapped down random notes and called it a day
Makes me cry
The songs makes me feel relax and lonely at the same time, amazing
The song sounds like the end of portal 2 that the robots sing
AMAZING!!!! For real Sam's game is awesome
Bill isn't in the game. that makes it sad. like the robot is trying SO HARD to find bill whether it's risking it's own robotic life, and putting it's soul in different body's. think about it.
*bodies
Maybe bill is there just In the background or something so that you can't see or get to him
Moronic Pumpkin Location wdym no
Again wdym
That game is infinite.
Life is infinite.
That game is a liar.
So does life.
6:54
"Yeah my creativity is totally gone at this point"
Super Mario Maker level creators can relate
Lol you are everywhere dude xD
Oh no
You're _l a t e_
I would like but it has 69
......
I love the music in the game! I have not played it and I think I should now! It’s amazing and I can tell!!
Robot: *Wheres Bill?*
Me: His Just Getting Bullied By Dani In Karlson
Incorrect, Thats billy. Bill is working with willy to make all milk anti-karlson
yep bill changed his name to billy to a void his old robot friend
I guess that's fair because they were both put into games with Unity.
Bill(y)
Oh.. no..
"The game is due tomorrow, and it doesn't seem close to finished." - Every AAA company nowadays
The game launched a few months ago, it's still not finished - more like it.
AAA= Anti Air Artillery? (Just Kidding :P)
“Game’s been out to the public for several years, is very polished and has a wide player base, but its still in beta/early access.”
C3ntra Vaswani So Ark: survival evolved then?
FUCK YOU DUDE
where can i download a music, from this game ?
6:06
I can smell lore coming here
Imagine if you added text every so often like:
Bill? Where are you?
I'll find you even if it takes all the time in the universe!
Will I ever get to Bill?
Does Bill even exist? I have no one else...
Basically, make it sad or depressing so the player REALLY wants to find Bill to stop the suffering of this virtual robot.
WELL THEN TIME TO SPEEDRUN MY LIFE
Hollowed Ichigo oh god
Alright imma summon bill, i just need an axolotl and...
EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB EGASSEM SDRAWKCAB
r/woooosh incoming👇
Sans Timeline BA24C0 Gamer *bill dies*
It’s 3020, robot is still searching for bill.
He later realized that bill doesn’t exist so he deleted himself from the game files
Lol
That gives me doki doki literature club vibes, you know with character being able to delete self/others
@Arron Caja how about "no"
@Arron Caja you have anger issues or something
@Arron Caja yes you do.
Better idea for tying in the prompt:
It’s procedurally generated, but there are menus formatted like those of games with designed levels (i.e. Angry Birds). In this way the game *lies* about its very nature, and the player is none the wiser, endlessly searching for the gateway to “Level 2”.
_Eh?_
You can definitely turn this into a movie about finding bill
The person judging the games: when... when does the game end?
And the answer is
*_never_*
Yes
NOT yes, never.
0GalaxyCat0 is correct.
No
Aimless scenario
Some dude: speed runs this game
Everyone: wait that’s illegal
I mean you could speed run to a certain level.
"Hey guys! So if you haven't been keeping up with be stream so far we are actually on level 9018461937 and we aiming for level 10000000000 at the end of the stream!"
God... i-is that you?
@@KoolMonkE YO, WHY IS MY DICK SMALL?
Aleriv question your mom
I have tried the game and i love it, the fact that i have to use my momentum to jump brings lots of fun to the game!
props for making the video just under 10mins and not only caring about money
you could have added a bill sprite in the files and it would just show “hah you thought”
Ddlc vibes
@@gagidoo4757 what is the file that does that?
@@transam33o DDLC (Doki Doki Literature Club) is a game in which a character becomes self-aware and starts controlling the game.
*Y O U F A I L E D T H E B I L L S P R I T E*
I don't know what to comment eny more
Plot twist: He added bill and we gotta find him.
We gotta find Bill!
And You gotta help us!
Speedrunners: I found him!
dAvId rObInSoN let me guess, he’s trapped in a hotel?
@@davidthecommenter if you need help on how to get through the levels, checkout the enclosed instruction book.
@@abzolutelynothn *_I see you're a man of culture._*
Happy to do music for any future projects 😊
Please upload again your videos are really entertaining (hope your doing well)
I thought the lie was the title of the game was gonna be "5 levels" but turned out to be infinite
or maybe like: You will win.
I was thinking it wouldn't say when exactly it would end, but it would keep hinting that you're close.
Daniel Carrier that feels awfully similar to something else ive experienced
@@somegal134 what?
Joseph Leatherbarrow guess
The character at the beginning looks like a moving cannon that can’t decide where to shoot.
WHY DID I LAUGH SO MUCH AT THIS
Legends say the robot is still looking for Bill to this day
I’ve seen this before. But I can back for the memories. 😄
Speed runners: it only took me an hour or two
Than someone finds a glitch, so now the whole game takes about 5 minutes
But little did he know, there is no end
Annie Fields yep
@@ma3oxvict727 WRONG a few days ago is discovered that if you put some numbers in the start you can win the game in 8 seconds
@@usuariogoogle4347 my comment is too old, some people can already beat the game when it's loading
Bill is either a figment of his imagination, a friend he MADE due to being lonely, *or maybe he IS Bill*
Pretty sure he IS Bill, still waiting on the lore update tho.
[____] r/iam14andthisisdeep
Edit: thx for 11 likes sub to me pls
Hes looking for himself again
Game theory
And that is game theory, Thanks for watching
This song gives me chill , to mention in some points the song become similar to mc song . Love that!
Everybody gangsta till someone 100% completes this
Imma start speed running this
Prepare for Maxine Caulfield to join the real world
Wherea bill? 100% speedrun infinite hours world record
Yes, the things you have to do to 100% it is Beat every level, and find Bill.
Are you challenging me?
3:20 Music: normal
3:36 Music: YO I FINNA MAKE U DEAF
S U D D E N S P I K E I N V O L U M E
GD lol
Lol
Loooooool
I love the subtle change of “eye” color each time you pass through a transmitter
Good job bro!
I'm an aspiring game developer. What program did you go for? I was thinking software engineering. Though, many are applicable. Thanks for the content!
School program*
Legend has it someone is still looking for Bill.
But you wont find him, because of course, you're not really looking. You want to be FOOLED.
@@wirly- Bruh, Bill's in the title
@@BraixenKartzem
Yes, but you wont find it, because...
Bill might be dead from suffering the death animation you die in dying makes sense or maybe Bill is the robot or maybe Bill is nothing.
YOU ARE BILL. YOU HAVE A BREAK IN YOUR MEMORY HARD DRIVE AND ALL YOU REMEMBER IS THE NAME BILL SO YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR BILL. WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU ARE BILL
I’m getting some serious “hello world” vibes from this game
:/
Hello world by Louie zong?
TheTrueBro 64 assuming yes
TheTrueBro 64 No, when starting to learn coding the first main thing they teach you is how to have the code print out “hello world”
@@gally149 I mean it could be that, you don't know.
Yes
In the wallpaper of the game jams theme, Dani’s warrior is been used (the stickman)
I love the music for it it is soo calm
People: the cake is a lie
Intellectuals: the Bill is a lie
Tf
@Sinister Sherbet YES
@Sinister Sherbet No, they are not real
The goat is a lie!
What about intellectual people?
The lack of plot and words makes this game even scarier than an actual horror.
That makes no sense
How
Actually I do kinda get that, gives off a creepy vibe to me
uncanny valley the robot gets anthropomorphize with the searching of his friend just a little too much like remember when the mars rover was like it's going dark, well this looks a little to much like a real life living and feeling robot, but not enough like a real life robot to fool us, so uncanny valley a thing that looks creepy because its so real but something small is off, gets put on something we anthropomorphize.
@@Amipotsophspond a plushtrap with literal human eyes and human teeth
You know you’ve inspired me to even make a game lol so Ima make My own in a few weeks or so!
you could totally turn this into a horror game
"The game lies"
Why didn't you make him search for a cake goddamnit
Edit: As per tradition, I should be thanking y'all for the likes. But instead, I have linked to the Half-Life 2 theme. Listen to it. It's amazing.
ua-cam.com/video/Nc-NajQ6lN8/v-deo.html
Cake is Bill
Bill is a lie
@The Spy, heh, I do wish the bills were a lie)
@The Spy, yep, I know
The Spy Portals backstory is disturbing and it’s creepy to know that during both portal games rattman was always following and stalking chell.
Now all I want is for someone to speedrun this game 100%
Impossible.
Corey Love Not necessarily. If it’s random, eventually (even if after 1 sextillion levels) they will have to repeat as there are only so many variations
Anonymous Support doesn't mean there will be a level that ends the game
@@itzjwlz well yeah there could be, after a while the game could glitch out marking the end, like pacman
World record beating a game with infinite levels?
Love the idea ❤
Finally a game that I can grind in my summer vacation
Sam: makes a game with infinite levels
Speedrunner: finishes in 3 minutes and finds bill
@@AstalMc he finally finds his consciousness.
Sam Hogan : Impossible
lol
@Sawawwiwa why are you ruining the joke
@Sawawwiwa JoJo reference
"I made a game with infinite levels"
Speed runners: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
goku9000 goku “I’ll will make it”
Fake speed runners
I beat it
ttvBeastofmist AlEx bro I speed ran this whole game in ~100000000000 years, catch up dude
Level Categories: *Good evening gentlemen, I'm about to change history forever.*
@@connerstallings1922 lol
add sounds when the character moves, jumps even deaths. add a falling sound. that makes me impressed.
8.9999999999/10. more sounds makes the more better.
interesting concept for a game, i think it would benefit from having a reset button that kills your robot so if you get stuck somehow you don't have to close the game and start over
Why does the music sound like something i'd hear while finding diamonds in minecraft
Very suspicious...
Speedrunners:
I’m starting to think there is no bill...
Ah yes
Weee
@@arandomcommenter6759 ?
Ah yes
Weee
You will one day be making the top games Sam
You will one day end up like ninjamuffin and fnf, it was from a 48 hour game jam
Well done!
It wasn’t about the destination it was about the journey
*does it matter if that journey was infinitely long and filled with pain and suffering?*
*N O*
@@fiendfoliorealnotfake lol
*journey has entered the chat*
but there's no destination, only the journey
Bill isn’t a person he’s the state of mind you have when you realize you need to stop playing after 15 hours
Idea: make an AI that can play this, and force it to run for an eternity.
How would you do that?
@@lucidmlem AI friggin loves numbers, give them some good numbers as a reward and they'll learn anything to get that fix.
Nice
@@xaius4348 This is AI evolution through different generation simplified
This is why the machines want us dead.
“When dream speed runs this”
Dram: WHAT
how am I defeated by this mere mortal
One of my favorite small game story premises was a flash game called the I of It. I feel like there could be a much bigger game made from that idea
I loved playing that game!
"I've never made a song in my life"
*Proceeds to make song that perfectly encompasses the theme of the game; a lonely robot searching for his lost friend forever whom he will never find*
Oof
Oof
Oof
Oof
Oof
You can tell he procrastinated, he gets the character done in 1 day, but a name, tutorial, title screen, music, sfx, and new platforms in 8 hours
No.
@@Tree_Gamer why are you saying no??
he had a whole week and he just used 2 days,,, im astounded
Thats game jams for ya
List of dumb noobs who say “no” on every random comment:
@@Tree_Gamer
How did you handle collision with your robots ? They're so smooth I'd like to learn how you bendddd this robot through collision and when he's stuck
When I heard the theme, I instantly thought schizophrenic. You play as someone with schizophrenia, doing tasks for people, maintaining relationships, and the game has a spooky atmosphere. But it is, quite literally, all in your head. Some of the relationships are real, some aren’t. The spookiness is completely fake, but is still very scary without medication. And at the beginning, the tasks are all real, but as you get along they become more and more absurd, and at the end of the game you get diagnosed, medicated, and you find out what’s been really going on. Then you get married to the tutorial npc :)
This is like a game you’ll find on coolmathgames
Ikr
Or poki.com
Or friv
Or a mobile game
PLOT TWIST!: the robot finds bill every time you turn off the game, and he runs off every time you boot it back up
stupid idea ik
#plottwist
B U T H E Y T H A T S J U S T A T H E O R Y A G A A A M E T H E O R Y T H A N K S F O R W A T C H I N G
Overlooked Burger Productions cringe
@@cactuscraze4877 cringe
Cartoon Dog cringe
that was so peaceful to watch wow
ohh you made this game oh i love the game man thanks
"Bill isn't actually in the game"
*Theorizing intensifies*
Game Theory be like
Bill is the PLAYER??
WHAT DID YOU DO TO BILL!?!?
Also 69 likes
Gravity Falls it is good to be back!
Game Theory: BILL Is CONTROLLING The Game
This guy has done more in a week than me in my whole life...
MILLENNIAL GUY xd
Same
How old are you?
The Monster Jack Crotilus Old enough to read write start a channel and get 70 ish subs
The Monster Jack Crotil for all u know I could be a 50 yrs old! Or a 5 yrs old
"You Will Finish This Game" would be a fun title for a liar game
hearing that soundtrack is giving me bad memories of when i played this game and was raging at it.
Me: *Laughs in geometry dash*
me: *cries in only 12 demons and only 66% on nine circles*
@@taze9092 mate, i have only 16 demons, 15 of which are easy demons, the only other one is fractured circles, and I have 85% on jawbreaker. Its quite debatable who the worst player is, but i nominate myself. Also, yes i am aware this is a joke, i am just sharing my garbage stats
@@kelpyg4291 in my 12 demons are 2 mediums (space magic or magic space im not sure rn and bloodbath z) and 1 insane (big boom, wich was only 500 att and therefore 100% luck) so i would say im the luckier one lol
@@taze9092 I agree
*Laughs in Candy Crush*
This game would awesomely match with procedurally altered or generated music.
Yeah
Sam: I made a game with infinite levels
Candy crush developers: bruh
Coding and video game design at school! Can’t wait to learn and make a game on unity
Music: **exist**
UA-cam Captions: *_y o u_*
Lol
Y O U !
You dont write music, music writes you
@@jspaceman Just like in Soviet Union
Lol idk why captions say you
Plot twist: Bill is his imaginary friend and the robot's only purpose was to find bill who never existed, the robot's creator was just curious what would happen if a robot was to be programmed to find someone who doesnt exist
Edit and add-on: what if bill was a magical dorito guy that took over a town called gravity falls and then died
Lol if he's not real maybe Billy died and robot lost his memo and he thinks Billy is alive
Aka Sam hogan
my favorite theory: bill IS the robot
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I say hmm