This comment section is absolutely pathetic. Go clean your room! Homeboy is dropping straight logic and people saying "oh he keeps saying the samething" well stop asking the same question lmaooo
That is completely false. It has been well-documented that kings of medieval times routinely drove Bentley's with only the most attractive Instagram models in the back seat.
Henry VIII ate roasted sparrows in a pigeon’s mouth. The pigeon was in a dog’s mouth. The dog was coated in sugar and peanuts. The dog was cooked sitting on a deer. The dog was wearing a suit and jacket, so as to look like some guy the king thought was a twat. The deer was laid on a silver platter on the table. One hundred and twenty-eight other dishes were also on the table. If anyone criticised the king, they might have to run away to France. But yeah, anyone is that rich and powerful in a western nation.
Yeah no fucking shit sherlock where'd you come up with that one? We're like ages ahead of them technologically so obviously we have a "higher living standard" you fuckhead. Also, you're not even right about that either because living standards include things like status too, I can't tell anyone in my life what to do and have it done immediately, and I certainly am not getting laid as much as a medival european king either. I also don't own/have access to an entire KINGDOM you fucktard.
I feel like anyone who has been listening to Peterson, Rogan, Weinstein, Pinker, etc gets this idea by now: hierarchies are useful and necessary but should also be monitored for abuses of power or oppression of the powerless.
Again and again I see people criticising Peterson without critiquing his message. They listen to a video full of substance and a myriad of thoughts, and their comments are usually "he's not as smart as people think." Fucks sake, at least say how or why.
Something that I've noticed with this whole narrative on how "Jordan Peterson targets predominately white males"... "Jordan Peterson writes self-help for young, angry men"... Well, let's say that is correct for the sake of argument, okay? Why don't young men or men in bad positions get to hear someone with a voice which connects with them? Why is it wrong to help that demographic of human being "feel better" or "improve themselves"? There's all kinds of books written for women that get praised. All kinds of books that target audiences predominately of one ethnic background or another. Hell, there's books that target mainly homosexuals. Are "insecure men" "angry men"... etc... not deserving of help? Do they deserve to feel poorly? Even if you're answer to this is "well, Peterson's writing or lectures don't help anyone!"... Okay, well... I could say that about anyone who wrote a self-help book. The question still remains - why is it wrong that Peterson appeals to a certain demographic? Why don't you care about the COUNTLESS other authors who appeal to a different demographic?
I love "even if" arguments. It frames the oppositions opinion as a best case scenario, and in this instance it proves that JP's critics would be hypocrites to not criticize black female authors for writing books that empower black women. again, that's assuming nameless black female author is only targeting black females. Indeed, as Hemmingway said, well done.
Why is it presumed bad that Peterson talks to men? Because in our gynocentric western civilization men are seen as inherently bad. Therefore ANYTHING made specifically or solely for men is automatically bad. This is why men are not allowed to have men only clubs, while women can have women only anything. Never mind that men built all of civilization and protected it with our very lives, FOR our women and children. Feminists rage against the mythical "Patriarchy", yet they claim that Feminism fights for men as well. Their ideological boogey man is named after men. "Toxic masculinity", "dead beat dads", "wife beaters", etc, ad nauseum. More men than women die from testicular cancer than women die from ovarian cancer. And women's cancer research garners ten times the money. And very few people care that men's health is mostly ignored. Go to wwwDOTwomenshealthDOTgov and tell me what you see. Then go to wwwDOTmenshealthDOTgov and tell me what you see. Three quarters of the homeless are men yet all of the magazine articles are either "homelessness" in general or about women's homelessness specifically. When was the last time you heard anyone say "Oh stop whining and just woman up."? Men hear "man up" all the time. It's irrelevant that Peterson isn't targeting men, it's the fact that men are profiting from his work. Men aren't supposed to be benefiting from anything. Only women are allowed to benefit and profit. Because muh sexism.
Richard Glenn Exactly. And the fact that he talks about religion, human nature and the meaning of life implies that he's concerned with basically everyone anyway. Kind of a wider remit than the average "self help guru".
Being against the patriarchy is being against men in authority, period. In other words, it is not a complaint against incompetent authority, it is a complaint against the authority figure being a MAN. That is misandry.
Sometimes Hierarchy is determined by things other than skill or seniority. Paterson says himself that disagreeableness is one factor that plays a positive role in career advancement.
For most of human history, there were no jobs or schools or elections. People lived on the land and grew their own food. The whole day was made up of working for food to survive. Men worked the fields, and women worked in the house raising kids and cooking. The man built a house to provide for his wife and family. Women were provided for and protected. For every wealthy man, there was a wealthy woman, most of whom had maids and servants. Women stayed at home while the men fought off invaders or went to war and got killed.
my two cents on a tiny portion of this segment - some power games played by the corrupt (oh, wait - and some well meaning persons as well) come in the guise of "hey. you. person - i'm trying to help you! let's turn over that apple cart because that cart owner *must* have done something evil to have something you don't!" that notion is appealing and romantic to those who have not done their pushups to own apple carts. ....as an adult - I find I no longer enjoy the story or Robin Hood or of Peter Pan.
This is why i love mr.peterson He takes the stand on conservative and also takes the point of leftist to give an to an absolute clarity without any bias This is true intellectual ❤
Social media has made a mess of some things. Like accusations of prejudice and discrimination you see these days on social media. Many times these stories (told from only one side) are very far from what had actually happened. Before the person would deal with the matter with the person, company or government directly, instead of crying for attention from all the people who can't even help them. I hate it.
at least im not a liar and furthered sjw nonsense because i wanted a show with dr oz and my satanic agency needed me to prove that i was on there side. peterson also helped write agenda 21 him and joe rogan are both shills because they want a spot with the elite. agenda 21 literally is a plan to make america like the hunger games and these cucks wanna join the capital. they are controlled by the material and because they wanna join the capital they are fucking over the people immediately by being shills for even a second. bill gates literally has a ted talk saying that he wants to get the population down and agenda 21 is bill gates project. i know you joe rogan fans must wonder why he has changed, and it is because of this. there is a shit ton of evidence for this watch owen benjamins stream called the price of freedom he goes into great detail he also has true integrity.
yeah its sad that you think so. their bullshit works quite well that you dismiss the truth when you hear it, well its nothing new bro but that shit is just true research it and its blatant
@@ClarityFB /\ /\ /\ lol such a typical response from a JP fan. Agenda 21 is not a big deal btw and JP definitely was not involved in writing it. Firstly Agenda 21 is just a 1992 plan for sustainable development within 8 yrs, and it has absolutely no force behind it. It did and does nothing. Secondly, psychologists are 2nd or 3rd tier intellectuals and don't have the writing skills to draft important documents like Agenda 21. He claims he helped write a different, much less important, document 20yrs later, however I think that's BS because anybody that has heard him speak for 2min would never hire him to write.
Thank you Joe Rogan for stopping Jordan and pursuing the question on why he thinks suppression of women in the past as a preposterous notion. My head would have exploded if you hadn’t.
Sadly those reflexive reactions are why so many people seem to hate JBP. Congratulations for listening and hearing the argument instead of jumping straight on Twitter and joining the rest of the screeching mob.
Yeah I mean in the past we used to not get jobs nor were we even played the same. I am so grateful that today I can have whatever career I want and still get payed the same for each hour I work. On top of that women can now hold positions of power. We have women in the Senate we literally have a woman that's our vice president. We got female supreme court judges. We got female mayors. We got female CEO's. Etc. So compared to women back then we got it good and women back then were for sure oppressed. I don't see how it's ridiculous. I mean just compare what women can so not to back then. It's very different.
Jordan Peterson is an existentialist. I agree with some things he says and others not so much. But his main ideas - that enforced speech is atrocious, natural hierarchies are good (not the corruption of them), and the Western tradition undergirding them must be supported - are things I get behind not just theoretically but practically because I've actually lived in places outside the West. The Western hierarchy is the LEAST corrupt. IMO, the West is best.
He's not an existentialist at all! He's constantly saying that humans are to a large extent influenced by their biological bagagge and not by their free will.
Yet "the Left" always thinks immigrants come from cultures superior to ours. Many of these cultures bring things like honor killings, arranged marriages and female circumcision. Our culture is thought to be corrupt and oppressive. Then why are people dying to come here? Because our system works. People are free. A man can earn a living -- and women, too. People can live their dream. Our forefathers did many, many, many things right. But they don't teach that in liberal universities. They teach how awful we've always been. Their thinking is 1-dimensional because these pampered, entitled professors have never really experienced life outside of their liberal enclaves. Most have no real way to compare living here to living anywhere else. Our Founding Fathers were flawed, but they were geniuses who invented the best political system from whole cloth, and borrowing their philosophies from the very best thinkers throughout history. They didn't always live up to their own ideals, but who does?
What makes you think they don't corrupt. Corruption is a natural part of a hierarchy's cycle, it's the death of such an order. The end or death of something is part of the nature of anything that exists. Historically, all hierarchies start off good or at the least functional. With time, interests shift towards gaining power for the sake of power until the society under that hierarchy begins to fall apart and eventually collapses. Our society is no different from any other in that sense and it's because humans are still exactly the same as the humans from back then. We like to think we are modern to the point that we will never repeat the mistakes and patterns of the past but alas, I think it's futile. When you study enough human history you begin to recognize the patterns and reflect that on your own, only to realize that we are no different. If things don't change at all, in 30 years or so, we will begin to see the beginning of the end. Don't expect any apocalyptical fireworks though, the collapse of a society is subtle and over extended periods of time, when people finally notice, it's already to late to do anything significant about it. At least most of us will be old and potentially senile when things get real bad, hey maybe we'll even be dead when the worse happens and that's at least comforting to me....
B S Insane? Maybe. But making this point doesn’t prove it. Name another government that has lasted as long, and enriched its citizens as much - while defeating world-wide evil. I’ll wait for your answer.
I dont have a problem with hierarchies existing. The only thing that's always puzzled me is why is their such disassociation between members, depending on their position within that hierarchy? For example, why doesnt a corporate CEO sit down and eat lunch and socialize with a group of lunchpail-carrying hourly workers? Why does there HAVE to be a social disconnect based on professional/economical position? The term segregation is considered taboo, yet we practice it every single day.
In the book Power vs Force, David R. Hawkins describes levels of consciousness (LOC) that range from Shame (1-20), Guilt(20-30), Apathy (30-50), all the way up to Joy(540- 600), Peace (600-700), and Enlightenment (700-1000). Think of them like notes from tuning forks if that helps. Some levels can resonate well with others that are close (enough) to their own level, yet others seem incomprehensible to each other because of how different they are. How many of us Truly understand or appreciate the Great Works, religions, scientific theories of civilizations, or even Triage (which, as a concept, needs a LOC of 350 to understand.) My guess is that the CEO level characters are (more?) commonly up around the 400's (Level of Reason) and the "lunch pail workers", as you said, probably are around 310- 350 (Willingness and Acceptance) at best, and more likely/ commonly in around 185 (Pride) or further down.
I feel one of the reasons a CEO doesnt eat with his workers or socializes on a normal level is he/she may have to reprimand/discipline or even fire those employees, which can cause an unhealthy social dynamic, the employees may start to feel as if their equals in regard to their status at the company, the CEO may not be able to adequately run/make decisions for the betterment of the company and the most for their employees. If a CEO had real emotional attachments to their employees, their job becomes more difficult to make rational decisions
@@ilovejettrooper5922 I'm sorry, but this "theory" sounds like bullshit. There are the most successful people who are still motivated by the shame from deep within, as well as there are apathetic but peaceful people. There's all kinds of folks and we all feel those different emotions to a certain extent, to say that "one person is above the other in some imaginary hierarchy of consciousness because they have more points which map one-to-one onto the emotions" is just riddiculous, we have a multitude of emotions going through us every day. If you want to convince yourself of your higher status because you feel more joy and have more points of consciousness than Jimmy R. Schmuck downstairs, go ahead, but don't kid yourself that that's a moral stand that is actually moral, that is aimed at making the society better. What you want is ideas that bring people together, not segregate them into 'levels'. Everyone feels the preexisting "levels" in the society, let's mitigate the pain and not multiplicate it by pretending there's something unrepairable about consciousness itself.
even right wingers don't like Peterson the guy is in it for the money and nothing else, the only people who think "wash you penis" and "clean your room bucko" is the greatest thing ever said still like him.
@@Chacaraman I'm right, i like the arguements he makes and his logical thought is discussiona where logic seems to be thrown out thw window. His of the cuff funny comments are alright. Hes in a position to make alot of money, fair play to him for doing so. I suspect just aboit anyone with a decent amount of intellect qould do the same. Especially considering the amounf of hate and lawsuits he gets, the mans aloud to make money. The majority of people just like to hear what he has to say.
bro what, jordan might be the least funny person ive ever heard. lol ive listened to so much of him and he never made me laugh i just laugh at him lmao. like when he walked to the desk on bill mahers show that shit made me laugh for some reason but he never said anything funny
I can't stop listening to Jordan B Peterson speak, and I am currently reading his book 12 Rules for Life. Jordan has opened my eyes to many thoughts and ideas and pushed me into a new deep state of introspection and extrospection. in the words of Mr. Spock "fascinating"
I heard this podcast for like 3rd time now And whenever I hear this exact same podcast again and again I get a more deeper understanding of what he's saying and gets more info through it Idk if it's me who's not attentive enough to watch or it goes over my head as a first time listener and then get the meaning once I watch the same podcast again after few months.
It seems that what at least I understand patriarchal tyranny to be and what Mr Peterson understands it to be are two different things. You live in the west, you have made a lot more progress, good for you. My understanding of patriarchal tyranny is not based on profession, it is not only power exerted in a hierarchical business, it is the societal interpretation of interpersonal relationships between men and women. And that creates a mindset where men must be dominant, women must be submissive, and it clears the path to misogyny and on the extremes, explicit abuse. In more concrete terms, this leads a country to not respond to a domestic violence call because household issues must be resolved by the head of the house who is often times the abuser, leading to a surge of murder of women by their husbands that go unpunished if argued that it is within their right because she defied his honor. And before you jump the gun and argue that this is the result of the islamic religion, I’m talking about a country with 50% christian population and with a christian president. Just because you have a better life doesn’t mean these things don’t exist anymore. That’s a fact.
Totally. I don’t quite get how he can always simply ignore this fact. Something within him seems to prevent him from ever recognizing the existence of this hierarchy of man over women for centuries that still naturally has traces in our society
What about the people that tip the scales in favor of people that are like them or their kin, in this competition/game of life? We can't look at life solely as a competition. Something feels off about that type of thinking.
Competition in the economy turns unhealthy and goes top down. The winners never allow the losera to participate again to learn to become better then they shit on them for being losers... The economy is not a sport. It should not be treated like one. It just makes people one up each other instead of actually producing anything of true value that the consumers demand. Cooperation is more important. In my opinion.
no one seems to possess the judgement to successfully identify the unjustly dispossessed, let alone to determine the means by which to eradicate the injustice.
On the example of the plumber I would have to say this. Competency is important but power does play a role. Dr. Peterson talks about our criteria for hiring a plumber but does not talk to the larger market forces that make certain plumbers more hireable. We have quality criteria but also price criteria, so it's not about whether employees are treated fairly. In any organisation the value of the work an employee does is necessarily more than their wage (that's what makes it profitable to hire them). So we can conceive of an organisation that underpays it's workers and consolidates the market to remove other competition. Both of these are acts of power. There is obviously competence involved in enacting the consolidation because it's easy for a business to go bankrupt if they over leverage on acquisitions.
I love how those who enjoy Peterson have intelligent or positive comments while those who disagree with him troll, add no logical argument and name call. It just proves that he knows his stuff.
With regard to getting a job after college; some ideas are true, and others are not true. Getting a job after college depends on many factors. I'm sure many people will disagree with me and that is fine, but let us express our disagreements in a civil manner.
Problems that need solutions employ problem solving. The first step of understanding the solution and that you are part of the solution is to understand the problem and that you are part of the problem.
For years nursing has been known for its bullying. In fact I recall reading an article allied something like “Nurses eat their young” nearly 20 years ago. I’d prefer to work for a man anytime. Worst bosses I have ever had were women.
Ironically, as a woman, I've found female police to be much more aggressive in a negative way than the male cops. I won't go into the whole story of my abuse by a sadistic narcissist, so let's just say my husband with 30 years of intense martial arts and also gift for fighting even amongst the other elite in his field of Navy SEALs, FBI, and police, who I also met as my self-defense teacher, and had been , faithfully married to for 15 years at that time, raped me, and then the next night called the cops on me for going apeshit. I admit it. I was off the fucking chart. So, the cops come, and I stupidly told my kids to just let them in, because I didn't want to leave my bedroom. The cops come up, one man and one woman. The man did his job, asked me the typical questions, and was clearly uncomfortable being in my bedroom while I sat in my underwear and T-shirt. Then, he respectfully retreated downstairs. The little blond girl wouldn't leave, even after I told her my husband had attacked me, held me down in my bed, ripped off my clothes, and told me he, "won't have a wife that he can't fuck." She stayed. I asked her, fairly nicely to leave me the fuck alone. She stayed, as if intruding on my personal space meant something to her beyond her job. I got up, in my underwear, stood over her face (I am 5'9" and she was no more than 5'4", and looked her right in the face saying, "Are you fucking stupid? You are a woman!" I am lucky I didn't get arrested. I am not proud of losing my grip. But it wasn't the first time female cops have been a pain in the ass, while male cops were helpful. I slept at the beach for three months after my rape, and one night I arrived and threw my truck door open, barfing and heaving like an animal. The funny thing is this is a beach neighborhood that is considered the second most affluent in the state of CA, and I thought the cops there must be dicks, since, you know, rich people get protected better. But no. I told him a summary of why I was there, and told him, I was not crazy or drunk, just needed to be safe. He literally slumped in his posture with empathy and asked me if there was anything he could do. I think we forget that men are designed to be heroic. They need to be heroic. That is why video games are so important for young men, because there aren't any chances for them to do what they are designed to do--fight, protect, and hunt. Sure, when men are evil, they have the power to reign pain and destruction upon us. But I don't think that is what most men want. They want to do what their evolution designed them to do, save the weak, and the children. When society creates an obstacle to that, it either causes men depression or aggression. And I think they understand abuse better than women. I mean, why else would the woman cop be a bitch? And why in the world would a cop outside 20-50 million dollar homes that sees a woman in an old truck, barfing out her door, not think I was a threat or menace? He probably would not have been so kind had I been a man doing the same. It is weird, but I think striving to find the symbiosis is the key. Women typically want to nurture and care. Men want to protect and defeat anyone who takes resources from their people. If one side dominates, we all lose. And when women try to be men, we all lose. Modern society is cutting off men's balls. What will we do if all men turn feminine here, while other places in the world they are still fighters? We will die.
If you’re commenting on UA-cam, you’re hardly a person who is experiencing any suffering. Suffering, and I mean ACTUAL suffering, barely even exists in any part of the world. Just look at the homeless. They are making, for the most part, a lifestyle decision. They actually enjoy their lives and prefer to continue it, at least temporarily.
There's this relatively new complaint from leftists that Jordan just keeps talking about the same things. Jordan talks about many topics, but he keeps getting asked about this particular topic because people gravitate towards hearing truth especially when it's suppressed by the mainstream. Jordan can stop talking about this the day that radical leftists stop repeating the same illogical feminist NPC nonsense about patriarchy and social justice. It would be really convenient for the left if Jordan would just shut up and go away which is exactly why he cannot stop until the mainstream finally wakes up to the truth which could take years.
This is a brilliant conversation. It's no wonder most people are not smart enough to understand how wrong they are. We can start with the 188 thumbs-down, whose world-view at the time of pressing play was diametrically opposite to the much smarter conclusions expressed here.
I've experienced both patriarchal and matriarchal Tyranny, and both suck ass, because it does not suit me personally, however some people like it for they like their status in that system. I never did and never will, unless i'm at the top, and even then, it's not for me, i'm not that person that wants or desires that much responsibility. But sure, give me personal control and power any day, so i can enjoy my personal freedom
Trifecta what you’re saying would only work if human nature was inherently good which is not the case or if people were indoctrinated with a sense of altruism which is extremely difficult
@Kimmminem West Are you kidding me? Then why do political divides exist? Why do people, for instance, constantly argue between implementing policies that would work towards equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
I appreciate many ideas of JP, but the discussion on hierarchy doesn't fit with patriarchy issues. It is a fact that in many WESTERN societies women couldn't vote or perform basic social functions without a man, until somewhere around the 1970s. This continues in many non western countries, were women can be even lapidated. This is an historical fact and it makes no justice to your argument to ignore it. Why can't women walk safely alone at night in most cities while men can? I agree on many distortions imposed by "me too" or extreme feminism, but to cast the argument in overly simplistic terms as you do (reducing it to a work preference issue) is not useful to a progressive stance. Beware of prophets. Some of their ideas might be correct, but do not follow them blindly.
Foucault never said hierarchies are only determined through power. Just a fabrication or a misinterpretation (if I'm being generous). Say a professor becomes a University President, where the sole factor of his ascension in the hierarchy was stellar scholarship, that ascension, even though not conditioned on the grounds of power, inevitably increases his power. Foucault just meant that knowledge and power and competence and power imply each other, that they are interdependent.
Not all is extrinsic motivation, there's also intrinsic motivation, it seems like he willfully chooses to ignore Czikszentmihalyi. Everything being about rewards and incentives is a simplistic perspective, and it's actually bad, because once you get your reward, you lose your motivation. There have been plenty of studies about this.
"France, 1881: France grants women the right to own bank accounts; five years later, the right is extended to married women, who are allowed to open accounts without their husbands’ permission. The US does not follow suit until the 1960s, and the UK lags until 1975. "
Patriarchal systemic inequality doesn't end in 1960s. It will take more than 60 years to undo or make equal the opportunity not given women for 200+ years in America. That doesn't take into account the 30+ years women continued to live like they were 1950s housewives into the 1990s. It's not that the nurses or maids or hairdressers are part of then patriarchal process. It's the politicians, owners of resources & the judges. To pretend there isn't a patriarchal tyranny that existed, and has the ripples of oppression is silly.
To pretend that only women are oppressed under patriarchy is silly. How many women were complaining during ww1/ww2 when they were safe at home while the men were dying? Patriarchy only benefits a handful of men at the top, that's it. The rest are nothing but utilities.
@@jayc342009 which is why the concept of women being oppressed is ridiculous. Because by your own admission everyone who isn't the 1% is being oppressed. So men are oppressed as well. Women don't have a monopoly on victim hood.
What's Peterson's point? Assuming I make $34,000 a year and have an iPhone, should I hold my tongue when a surprise medical bill drains my bank account or witness the suffering of others? If we take all of human history into account, yeah, it's improved. But I'm not living in the 11th century. I'm living now, in America. There are great disparities in our society that are socially, if not economically unsustainable. Just because I have indoor plumbing and a motor vehicle doesn't mean I am intellectually/morally obligated to a life of political passivity.
The point is we have far too many people stuck in a mindset *that doesn't help anyone.* The problems of poverty, inequality and the like are not be solved with platitudes and political posturing. These problems are baked into our DNA. The point, in short, is such- don't assume you know what is best for the world. You don't. Don't assume you can make a positive change on a global scale. You can't. Instead, have some *perspective.* You have indoor plumbing. You have a motor vehicle. What system was put in place that allows you to attain such things *and how can we apply it to everyone?*
Old Atlanta True. Pro football players are bigger than me. Almost certainly , despite the meritorious training regimen, they’re bigger than me. That is a physical hierarchy where I am on a lower rung. Should I go have a cry, screaming ‘unfair!!!!’ Or should I just accept a fact I cannot change and go find something else to do? Which do you think will be more constructive?
Old Atlanta Are you serious? “Hit the gym” do you have any idea about anything? There’s so many genetic differences that can’t close these gaps. I can “hit the gym” all I want, as can you but do you think you’ll have the fast-twitch count to compare? The hip width? Shoulder width? Height? Hit the gym all you want, generics matter. I’ll never be a pro basketball player and that’s for a reason, it won’t matter how hard I train and dedicate myself.
Patriarchal Tyranny sounds like an awesome 80's metal band.
Why are you putting this on every video clip?
Sounds like an English female punk band from the 70s
Why not a late 2010's Metal Band... GET ON IT!
@@RolandSpecialSauce hahahaha
@@polish2x91 Metal is passe, everyone knows that
Joe “i’ve got some elk meat in the fridge for you to take home” Rogan
Yooo 😂😂😂
* DMT infused elk meat
People might think that's funny but... isn't that the basis of generosity?
This comment section is absolutely pathetic. Go clean your room! Homeboy is dropping straight logic and people saying "oh he keeps saying the samething" well stop asking the same question lmaooo
I am in a hotel and my room was cleaned by someone else.
fuck off frank
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I was looking for a comment on the widespread phenomenon of mafioso plumbers
Good
For some reason, I imagine a mafioso plumber to look like Joey Diaz 🤔.
Unless you're homeless, everyone living in a 1st world country in 2018 has a higher living standard than a medieval European King.
I've been saying that for years. Here here brother.
That is completely false. It has been well-documented that kings of medieval times routinely drove Bentley's with only the most attractive Instagram models in the back seat.
Henry VIII ate roasted sparrows in a pigeon’s mouth. The
pigeon was in a dog’s mouth. The dog was coated in sugar and peanuts. The dog was cooked sitting on a deer. The dog was wearing a suit and jacket, so as to look like some guy the king thought was a twat. The deer was laid on a silver platter on the table. One hundred and twenty-eight other dishes were also on the table. If anyone criticised the king, they might have to run away to France.
But yeah, anyone is that rich and powerful in a western nation.
A medieval king didn't even have to wipe his own butt.
Yeah no fucking shit sherlock where'd you come up with that one? We're like ages ahead of them technologically so obviously we have a "higher living standard" you fuckhead. Also, you're not even right about that either because living standards include things like status too, I can't tell anyone in my life what to do and have it done immediately, and I certainly am not getting laid as much as a medival european king either. I also don't own/have access to an entire KINGDOM you fucktard.
I feel like anyone who has been listening to Peterson, Rogan, Weinstein, Pinker, etc gets this idea by now: hierarchies are useful and necessary but should also be monitored for abuses of power or oppression of the powerless.
I can say the same thing about people who want to abolish them
People that wants to abolish hierarchy's are intellectually lazy.
Joe Rogan uses big words when Peterson is there lmao
He really tries hard lol
What? Conflated? Please
@Christine Lee very true.
Plumber unions around Chicago would most definitely burn your house down if you went to a private plumber
That's why most people don't live in shitcago
@@Mortzzz They're certainly fleeing C(r)ook County en masse.
Again and again I see people criticising Peterson without critiquing his message. They listen to a video full of substance and a myriad of thoughts, and their comments are usually "he's not as smart as people think." Fucks sake, at least say how or why.
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@@Shushkin thanks my living example.
@@TheShepdawg9 No problem my undead example ;)
@@Shushkin ok
@@TheShepdawg9 Yes
Something that I've noticed with this whole narrative on how "Jordan Peterson targets predominately white males"... "Jordan Peterson writes self-help for young, angry men"... Well, let's say that is correct for the sake of argument, okay? Why don't young men or men in bad positions get to hear someone with a voice which connects with them? Why is it wrong to help that demographic of human being "feel better" or "improve themselves"? There's all kinds of books written for women that get praised. All kinds of books that target audiences predominately of one ethnic background or another. Hell, there's books that target mainly homosexuals. Are "insecure men" "angry men"... etc... not deserving of help? Do they deserve to feel poorly? Even if you're answer to this is "well, Peterson's writing or lectures don't help anyone!"... Okay, well... I could say that about anyone who wrote a self-help book. The question still remains - why is it wrong that Peterson appeals to a certain demographic? Why don't you care about the COUNTLESS other authors who appeal to a different demographic?
Well done. Up voted
I love "even if" arguments. It frames the oppositions opinion as a best case scenario, and in this instance it proves that JP's critics would be hypocrites to not criticize black female authors for writing books that empower black women. again, that's assuming nameless black female author is only targeting black females.
Indeed, as Hemmingway said, well done.
Why is it presumed bad that Peterson talks to men?
Because in our gynocentric western civilization men are seen as inherently bad. Therefore ANYTHING made specifically or solely for men is automatically bad. This is why men are not allowed to have men only clubs, while women can have women only anything. Never mind that men built all of civilization and protected it with our very lives, FOR our women and children.
Feminists rage against the mythical "Patriarchy", yet they claim that Feminism fights for men as well. Their ideological boogey man is named after men.
"Toxic masculinity", "dead beat dads", "wife beaters", etc, ad nauseum.
More men than women die from testicular cancer than women die from ovarian cancer. And women's cancer research garners ten times the money. And very few people care that men's health is mostly ignored.
Go to wwwDOTwomenshealthDOTgov and tell me what you see.
Then go to wwwDOTmenshealthDOTgov and tell me what you see.
Three quarters of the homeless are men yet all of the magazine articles are either "homelessness" in general or about women's homelessness specifically.
When was the last time you heard anyone say "Oh stop whining and just woman up."? Men hear "man up" all the time.
It's irrelevant that Peterson isn't targeting men, it's the fact that men are profiting from his work. Men aren't supposed to be benefiting from anything. Only women are allowed to benefit and profit. Because muh sexism.
Richard Glenn Exactly. And the fact that he talks about religion, human nature and the meaning of life implies that he's concerned with basically everyone anyway. Kind of a wider remit than the average "self help guru".
Because man are tyrants LMFAOOOOO.
Buddha: If you tighten the string too much it will snap. If it's too loose the instrument will not sound.
It's a balance like most things in life, people have got to stop acting as if it's black or white
Most intelligent discussion regarding societies and the social constructs that create societies always include Jordan for some reason.
Every patriarchal tornado was fostered by Mother nature.
Both are having a "Who has more forehead folds" competition.
They're called wrinkles
@@ogasama6028 nah. It’s forehead folds. Get it right
I agree it's forehead folds
"You are part of the 1 percent." (cognitive dissonance ensues)
Being against the patriarchy is being against men in authority, period. In other words, it is not a complaint against incompetent authority, it is a complaint against the authority figure being a MAN. That is misandry.
God bless you Joe Rogan for inviting these wonderful guests onto your show ~ and also too for having the brains to keep up (I barely can but I try)
Sometimes Hierarchy is determined by things other than skill or seniority. Paterson says himself that disagreeableness is one factor that plays a positive role in career advancement.
He never said 100% of hierarchies are based on competence. He admitted some are corrupt.
@@PoliticallyAffiliated many are power based .
@@nightheist2191 “he admitted some are corrupt”
Yeah, I mentioned that. No system is perfect.
Great Podcast. I heard Jordan on another talk, he's a wealth of knowledge.
He took the words right out of my mouth. A lot of men have also been oppressed throughout history.
For most of human history, there were no jobs or schools or elections. People lived on the land and grew their own food. The whole day was made up of working for food to survive. Men worked the fields, and women worked in the house raising kids and cooking. The man built a house to provide for his wife and family. Women were provided for and protected. For every wealthy man, there was a wealthy woman, most of whom had maids and servants. Women stayed at home while the men fought off invaders or went to war and got killed.
@tubester4567 Then we worked so hard we men built this metropolitan society. Now we're unappreciated.
Wow, you guys get these out quick.
Uses hockey to describe hierarchies.
Canadian, eh?
my two cents on a tiny portion of this segment - some power games played by the corrupt (oh, wait - and some well meaning persons as well) come in the guise of "hey. you. person - i'm trying to help you! let's turn over that apple cart because that cart owner *must* have done something evil to have something you don't!"
that notion is appealing and romantic to those who have not done their pushups to own apple carts. ....as an adult - I find I no longer enjoy the story or Robin Hood or of Peter Pan.
Right, it's almost as if the more responsible you are for yourself, the less you believe people should be responsible for other people's burdens.
This is why i love mr.peterson
He takes the stand on conservative and also takes the point of leftist to give an to an absolute clarity without any bias
This is true intellectual ❤
Social media has made a mess of some things. Like accusations of prejudice and discrimination you see these days on social media. Many times these stories (told from only one side) are very far from what had actually happened. Before the person would deal with the matter with the person, company or government directly, instead of crying for attention from all the people who can't even help them. I hate it.
He could get the most dope wizard beard
Jordan Peterson is freaking awesome...
no hes a piece of shit some of the stuff he says is cool though
at least im not a liar and furthered sjw nonsense because i wanted a show with dr oz and my satanic agency needed me to prove that i was on there side. peterson also helped write agenda 21 him and joe rogan are both shills because they want a spot with the elite. agenda 21 literally is a plan to make america like the hunger games and these cucks wanna join the capital. they are controlled by the material and because they wanna join the capital they are fucking over the people immediately by being shills for even a second. bill gates literally has a ted talk saying that he wants to get the population down and agenda 21 is bill gates project. i know you joe rogan fans must wonder why he has changed, and it is because of this. there is a shit ton of evidence for this watch owen benjamins stream called the price of freedom he goes into great detail he also has true integrity.
yeah its sad that you think so. their bullshit works quite well that you dismiss the truth when you hear it, well its nothing new bro but that shit is just true research it and its blatant
@@ClarityFB /\ /\ /\ lol such a typical response from a JP fan. Agenda 21 is not a big deal btw and JP definitely was not involved in writing it. Firstly Agenda 21 is just a 1992 plan for sustainable development within 8 yrs, and it has absolutely no force behind it. It did and does nothing. Secondly, psychologists are 2nd or 3rd tier intellectuals and don't have the writing skills to draft important documents like Agenda 21. He claims he helped write a different, much less important, document 20yrs later, however I think that's BS because anybody that has heard him speak for 2min would never hire him to write.
This was a great clip! Thank you!
What I learned from this video: How to be a good plumber.
😂😂😂
7:51. Dr Peterson special dance move.
Thank you Joe Rogan for stopping Jordan and pursuing the question on why he thinks suppression of women in the past as a preposterous notion. My head would have exploded if you hadn’t.
Sadly those reflexive reactions are why so many people seem to hate JBP. Congratulations for listening and hearing the argument instead of jumping straight on Twitter and joining the rest of the screeching mob.
Yeah I mean in the past we used to not get jobs nor were we even played the same. I am so grateful that today I can have whatever career I want and still get payed the same for each hour I work. On top of that women can now hold positions of power. We have women in the Senate we literally have a woman that's our vice president. We got female supreme court judges. We got female mayors. We got female CEO's. Etc. So compared to women back then we got it good and women back then were for sure oppressed. I don't see how it's ridiculous. I mean just compare what women can so not to back then. It's very different.
Peterson looks great
Love this guy so much, I want to take one of his lectures one day.
Same
Joe "I'll say anything to make Jordan like me" Rogan
lol xD
One of the best interviews I've ever heard. Where had this been and wht isn't this being taught in schools.
Jordan Peterson is an existentialist. I agree with some things he says and others not so much. But his main ideas - that enforced speech is atrocious, natural hierarchies are good (not the corruption of them), and the Western tradition undergirding them must be supported - are things I get behind not just theoretically but practically because I've actually lived in places outside the West. The Western hierarchy is the LEAST corrupt. IMO, the West is best.
He's not an existentialist at all! He's constantly saying that humans are to a large extent influenced by their biological bagagge and not by their free will.
Yet "the Left" always thinks immigrants come from cultures superior to ours. Many of these cultures bring things like honor killings, arranged marriages and female circumcision. Our culture is thought to be corrupt and oppressive. Then why are people dying to come here? Because our system works. People are free. A man can earn a living -- and women, too. People can live their dream. Our forefathers did many, many, many things right. But they don't teach that in liberal universities. They teach how awful we've always been. Their thinking is 1-dimensional because these pampered, entitled professors have never really experienced life outside of their liberal enclaves. Most have no real way to compare living here to living anywhere else. Our Founding Fathers were flawed, but they were geniuses who invented the best political system from whole cloth, and borrowing their philosophies from the very best thinkers throughout history. They didn't always live up to their own ideals, but who does?
What makes you think they don't corrupt. Corruption is a natural part of a hierarchy's cycle, it's the death of such an order. The end or death of something is part of the nature of anything that exists. Historically, all hierarchies start off good or at the least functional. With time, interests shift towards gaining power for the sake of power until the society under that hierarchy begins to fall apart and eventually collapses. Our society is no different from any other in that sense and it's because humans are still exactly the same as the humans from back then. We like to think we are modern to the point that we will never repeat the mistakes and patterns of the past but alas, I think it's futile. When you study enough human history you begin to recognize the patterns and reflect that on your own, only to realize that we are no different. If things don't change at all, in 30 years or so, we will begin to see the beginning of the end. Don't expect any apocalyptical fireworks though, the collapse of a society is subtle and over extended periods of time, when people finally notice, it's already to late to do anything significant about it. At least most of us will be old and potentially senile when things get real bad, hey maybe we'll even be dead when the worse happens and that's at least comforting to me....
@@graymatters7584 The best political system? Are you insane?
B S Insane? Maybe. But making this point doesn’t prove it. Name another government that has lasted as long, and enriched its citizens as much - while defeating world-wide evil. I’ll wait for your answer.
I dont have a problem with hierarchies existing. The only thing that's always puzzled me is why is their such disassociation between members, depending on their position within that hierarchy? For example, why doesnt a corporate CEO sit down and eat lunch and socialize with a group of lunchpail-carrying hourly workers? Why does there HAVE to be a social disconnect based on professional/economical position? The term segregation is considered taboo, yet we practice it every single day.
In the book Power vs Force, David R. Hawkins describes levels of consciousness (LOC) that range from Shame (1-20), Guilt(20-30), Apathy (30-50), all the way up to Joy(540- 600), Peace (600-700), and Enlightenment (700-1000). Think of them like notes from tuning forks if that helps. Some levels can resonate well with others that are close (enough) to their own level, yet others seem incomprehensible to each other because of how different they are. How many of us Truly understand or appreciate the Great Works, religions, scientific theories of civilizations, or even Triage (which, as a concept, needs a LOC of 350 to understand.) My guess is that the CEO level characters are (more?) commonly up around the 400's (Level of Reason) and the "lunch pail workers", as you said, probably are around 310- 350 (Willingness and Acceptance) at best, and more likely/ commonly in around 185 (Pride) or further down.
I feel one of the reasons a CEO doesnt eat with his workers or socializes on a normal level is he/she may have to reprimand/discipline or even fire those employees, which can cause an unhealthy social dynamic, the employees may start to feel as if their equals in regard to their status at the company, the CEO may not be able to adequately run/make decisions for the betterment of the company and the most for their employees. If a CEO had real emotional attachments to their employees, their job becomes more difficult to make rational decisions
@@ilovejettrooper5922 I'm sorry, but this "theory" sounds like bullshit. There are the most successful people who are still motivated by the shame from deep within, as well as there are apathetic but peaceful people. There's all kinds of folks and we all feel those different emotions to a certain extent, to say that "one person is above the other in some imaginary hierarchy of consciousness because they have more points which map one-to-one onto the emotions" is just riddiculous, we have a multitude of emotions going through us every day. If you want to convince yourself of your higher status because you feel more joy and have more points of consciousness than Jimmy R. Schmuck downstairs, go ahead, but don't kid yourself that that's a moral stand that is actually moral, that is aimed at making the society better. What you want is ideas that bring people together, not segregate them into 'levels'. Everyone feels the preexisting "levels" in the society, let's mitigate the pain and not multiplicate it by pretending there's something unrepairable about consciousness itself.
If no one wins then no one will try to achieve greatness. We should all be a better version of ourselves each day.
Whats the bet all the dislikes came from people who didn't even watch the clip. Ignorance is bliss to some...
even right wingers don't like Peterson the guy is in it for the money and nothing else, the only people who think "wash you penis" and "clean your room bucko" is the greatest thing ever said still like him.
@@Chacaraman I'm right, i like the arguements he makes and his logical thought is discussiona where logic seems to be thrown out thw window. His of the cuff funny comments are alright. Hes in a position to make alot of money, fair play to him for doing so. I suspect just aboit anyone with a decent amount of intellect qould do the same. Especially considering the amounf of hate and lawsuits he gets, the mans aloud to make money. The majority of people just like to hear what he has to say.
@@Chacaraman alsp youll find a lot of his stuff is free to watch on yt...
bro what, jordan might be the least funny person ive ever heard. lol ive listened to so much of him and he never made me laugh i just laugh at him lmao. like when he walked to the desk on bill mahers show that shit made me laugh for some reason but he never said anything funny
@@jake2867 How old are you that you start a rebuttal off with "I'm right", and make that many awful grammar mistakes.
I can't stop listening to Jordan B Peterson speak, and I am currently reading his book 12 Rules for Life. Jordan has opened my eyes to many thoughts and ideas and pushed me into a new deep state of introspection and extrospection. in the words of Mr. Spock "fascinating"
I heard this podcast for like 3rd time now
And whenever I hear this exact same podcast again and again I get a more deeper understanding of what he's saying and gets more info through it
Idk if it's me who's not attentive enough to watch or it goes over my head as a first time listener and then get the meaning once I watch the same podcast again after few months.
Dr. Peterson is literally the textbook definition of a “leader of men”.
It seems that what at least I understand patriarchal tyranny to be and what Mr Peterson understands it to be are two different things. You live in the west, you have made a lot more progress, good for you. My understanding of patriarchal tyranny is not based on profession, it is not only power exerted in a hierarchical business, it is the societal interpretation of interpersonal relationships between men and women. And that creates a mindset where men must be dominant, women must be submissive, and it clears the path to misogyny and on the extremes, explicit abuse. In more concrete terms, this leads a country to not respond to a domestic violence call because household issues must be resolved by the head of the house who is often times the abuser, leading to a surge of murder of women by their husbands that go unpunished if argued that it is within their right because she defied his honor. And before you jump the gun and argue that this is the result of the islamic religion, I’m talking about a country with 50% christian population and with a christian president. Just because you have a better life doesn’t mean these things don’t exist anymore. That’s a fact.
Totally. I don’t quite get how he can always simply ignore this fact. Something within him seems to prevent him from ever recognizing the existence of this hierarchy of man over women for centuries that still naturally has traces in our society
My brain just got bigger....
Jordan is so precise all of the time, an amazing human
He's precise if you swallow the snake oil he's selling indeed. If you have an understanding of strawmen you might think differently
You ever Just want to be as wise as Jordan Peterson? Yeah same here
Study my friend
Great podcast 🙌👍
What about the people that tip the scales in favor of people that are like them or their kin, in this competition/game of life? We can't look at life solely as a competition. Something feels off about that type of thinking.
Competition in the economy turns unhealthy and goes top down. The winners never allow the losera to participate again to learn to become better then they shit on them for being losers...
The economy is not a sport. It should not be treated like one. It just makes people one up each other instead of actually producing anything of true value that the consumers demand. Cooperation is more important.
In my opinion.
@@RextheRebel
Your opinion is worthless.
In my opinion. 😁
"I'm cooperating here!"
Your gonna want that true coat
Tell me Jordan smoked the chibbah!! JP is the man!!
So pertinent
no one seems to possess the judgement to successfully identify the unjustly dispossessed, let alone to determine the means by which to eradicate the injustice.
18:25 EST.
"Another short point said long" is a good way to describe Peterson. He makes so many good points but tends to over explain them
On the example of the plumber I would have to say this. Competency is important but power does play a role. Dr. Peterson talks about our criteria for hiring a plumber but does not talk to the larger market forces that make certain plumbers more hireable. We have quality criteria but also price criteria, so it's not about whether employees are treated fairly. In any organisation the value of the work an employee does is necessarily more than their wage (that's what makes it profitable to hire them). So we can conceive of an organisation that underpays it's workers and consolidates the market to remove other competition. Both of these are acts of power. There is obviously competence involved in enacting the consolidation because it's easy for a business to go bankrupt if they over leverage on acquisitions.
Except most plumbers are self employed and don't work for companies
I love how those who enjoy Peterson have intelligent or positive comments while those who disagree with him troll, add no logical argument and name call. It just proves that he knows his stuff.
What I learned in this video:
How to play hockey
How to be a plumber
Yeah cuz you cant use words
Jordan Peterson is the most interesting man in the world
Jordan Peterson rules!
"hierarchies" are just moments in time.
With regard to getting a job after college; some ideas are true, and others are not true. Getting a job after college depends on many factors. I'm sure many people will disagree with me and that is fine, but let us express our disagreements in a civil manner.
I have clogged many toilets in my life but I'm no plumber. ...you know what you know
'' Plummers take over the world'' - Sounds like a great movie
Beggars can't be choosers, but every winner needs a loser.
I imagine Jordan seeing Joe as someone that likes to talk alot about stuff.
Problems that need solutions employ problem solving. The first step of understanding the solution and that you are part of the solution is to understand the problem and that you are part of the problem.
For years nursing has been known for its bullying. In fact I recall reading an article allied something like “Nurses eat their young” nearly 20 years ago. I’d prefer to work for a man anytime. Worst bosses I have ever had were women.
Well that's because those bosses were oppressed by the patriarchy.
Ironically, as a woman, I've found female police to be much more aggressive in a negative way than the male cops. I won't go into the whole story of my abuse by a sadistic narcissist, so let's just say my husband with 30 years of intense martial arts and also gift for fighting even amongst the other elite in his field of Navy SEALs, FBI, and police, who I also met as my self-defense teacher, and had been , faithfully married to for 15 years at that time, raped me, and then the next night called the cops on me for going apeshit. I admit it. I was off the fucking chart. So, the cops come, and I stupidly told my kids to just let them in, because I didn't want to leave my bedroom. The cops come up, one man and one woman.
The man did his job, asked me the typical questions, and was clearly uncomfortable being in my bedroom while I sat in my underwear and T-shirt. Then, he respectfully retreated downstairs. The little blond girl wouldn't leave, even after I told her my husband had attacked me, held me down in my bed, ripped off my clothes, and told me he, "won't have a wife that he can't fuck." She stayed. I asked her, fairly nicely to leave me the fuck alone. She stayed, as if intruding on my personal space meant something to her beyond her job.
I got up, in my underwear, stood over her face (I am 5'9" and she was no more than 5'4", and looked her right in the face saying, "Are you fucking stupid? You are a woman!" I am lucky I didn't get arrested. I am not proud of losing my grip.
But it wasn't the first time female cops have been a pain in the ass, while male cops were helpful. I slept at the beach for three months after my rape, and one night I arrived and threw my truck door open, barfing and heaving like an animal. The funny thing is this is a beach neighborhood that is considered the second most affluent in the state of CA, and I thought the cops there must be dicks, since, you know, rich people get protected better. But no. I told him a summary of why I was there, and told him, I was not crazy or drunk, just needed to be safe. He literally slumped in his posture with empathy and asked me if there was anything he could do.
I think we forget that men are designed to be heroic. They need to be heroic. That is why video games are so important for young men, because there aren't any chances for them to do what they are designed to do--fight, protect, and hunt. Sure, when men are evil, they have the power to reign pain and destruction upon us. But I don't think that is what most men want. They want to do what their evolution designed them to do, save the weak, and the children. When society creates an obstacle to that, it either causes men depression or aggression. And I think they understand abuse better than women. I mean, why else would the woman cop be a bitch? And why in the world would a cop outside 20-50 million dollar homes that sees a woman in an old truck, barfing out her door, not think I was a threat or menace? He probably would not have been so kind had I been a man doing the same. It is weird, but I think striving to find the symbiosis is the key. Women typically want to nurture and care. Men want to protect and defeat anyone who takes resources from their people. If one side dominates, we all lose. And when women try to be men, we all lose.
Modern society is cutting off men's balls. What will we do if all men turn feminine here, while other places in the world they are still fighters? We will die.
@@amyjkr Wow! Thanks for sharing your story. I never thought of it like you put it but I can fully agree with you easily on this. Again, thank you.
Very informative and civil.
gg @joe and @jordan
Arguments as brilliant as that suit. So shiny.
1:58 to hear a seal
that is what it means. The powerful oppress the powerless when it pleases them
11:20 to end
Only point I liked was making more hierarchy so less people collect at the top makes sense so people don’t suffer unduly
If you’re commenting on UA-cam, you’re hardly a person who is experiencing any suffering. Suffering, and I mean ACTUAL suffering, barely even exists in any part of the world.
Just look at the homeless. They are making, for the most part, a lifestyle decision. They actually enjoy their lives and prefer to continue it, at least temporarily.
The power of the double standard is strong.
I agree with everything said... I just also feel that the checks and balances need to be improved
There's this relatively new complaint from leftists that Jordan just keeps talking about the same things. Jordan talks about many topics, but he keeps getting asked about this particular topic because people gravitate towards hearing truth especially when it's suppressed by the mainstream. Jordan can stop talking about this the day that radical leftists stop repeating the same illogical feminist NPC nonsense about patriarchy and social justice. It would be really convenient for the left if Jordan would just shut up and go away which is exactly why he cannot stop until the mainstream finally wakes up to the truth which could take years.
Jordan always has the same tone of voice and confusing ideologies. Thats why i love him
And preference..
love and respect jordan.. ur idian fan
Love and respect Megha..your Australian fan.
JRE vs Kermit the frog
This is a brilliant conversation. It's no wonder most people are not smart enough to understand how wrong they are. We can start with the 188 thumbs-down, whose world-view at the time of pressing play was diametrically opposite to the much smarter conclusions expressed here.
I've experienced both patriarchal and matriarchal Tyranny, and both suck ass, because it does not suit me personally, however some people like it for they like their status in that system. I never did and never will, unless i'm at the top, and even then, it's not for me, i'm not that person that wants or desires that much responsibility. But sure, give me personal control and power any day, so i can enjoy my personal freedom
Joe....... let the man speak. You're not adding too much of value
Let s have the same conversation in 2021
In the future, maybe "for the betterment of society" would be enough incentive. That's probably what we should strive for at least. No?
Trifecta what you’re saying would only work if human nature was inherently good which is not the case or if people were indoctrinated with a sense of altruism which is extremely difficult
@Kimmminem West which is why what is "for the betterment of society" also is
@Kimmminem West Are you kidding me? Then why do political divides exist? Why do people, for instance, constantly argue between implementing policies that would work towards equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
This was pretty interesting - roughly speaking
Not a single woman commentating this video is the real problem
I appreciate many ideas of JP, but the discussion on hierarchy doesn't fit with patriarchy issues. It is a fact that in many WESTERN societies women couldn't vote or perform basic social functions without a man, until somewhere around the 1970s. This continues in many non western countries, were women can be even lapidated. This is an historical fact and it makes no justice to your argument to ignore it. Why can't women walk safely alone at night in most cities while men can? I agree on many distortions imposed by "me too" or extreme feminism, but to cast the argument in overly simplistic terms as you do (reducing it to a work preference issue) is not useful to a progressive stance. Beware of prophets. Some of their ideas might be correct, but do not follow them blindly.
I'm a big fan of jp but this is a great take
Joe seemed tuned into this discussion
Foucault never said hierarchies are only determined through power. Just a fabrication or a misinterpretation (if I'm being generous). Say a professor becomes a University President, where the sole factor of his ascension in the hierarchy was stellar scholarship, that ascension, even though not conditioned on the grounds of power, inevitably increases his power. Foucault just meant that knowledge and power and competence and power imply each other, that they are interdependent.
Not all is extrinsic motivation, there's also intrinsic motivation, it seems like he willfully chooses to ignore Czikszentmihalyi. Everything being about rewards and incentives is a simplistic perspective, and it's actually bad, because once you get your reward, you lose your motivation. There have been plenty of studies about this.
"France, 1881: France grants women the right to own bank accounts; five years later, the right is extended to married women, who are allowed to open accounts without their husbands’ permission. The US does not follow suit until the 1960s, and the UK lags until 1975. "
Patriarchal systemic inequality doesn't end in 1960s. It will take more than 60 years to undo or make equal the opportunity not given women for 200+ years in America. That doesn't take into account the 30+ years women continued to live like they were 1950s housewives into the 1990s. It's not that the nurses or maids or hairdressers are part of then patriarchal process. It's the politicians, owners of resources & the judges. To pretend there isn't a patriarchal tyranny that existed, and has the ripples of oppression is silly.
To pretend that only women are oppressed under patriarchy is silly.
How many women were complaining during ww1/ww2 when they were safe at home while the men were dying?
Patriarchy only benefits a handful of men at the top, that's it. The rest are nothing but utilities.
@@jayc342009 which is why the concept of women being oppressed is ridiculous. Because by your own admission everyone who isn't the 1% is being oppressed. So men are oppressed as well. Women don't have a monopoly on victim hood.
Joe "I know a few big words" Rogan
30k in NY makes you a victim
I checked and the Statistics say to be in the top 1% in finances you need to make $823,763 per year, not $34,000 so that's BS!!!😎😎😎
No one says they should be no hierarchies .. JP is not being accurate or truthful ...What they say is that they should be accountable.. ....
What's Peterson's point? Assuming I make $34,000 a year and have an iPhone, should I hold my tongue when a surprise medical bill drains my bank account or witness the suffering of others? If we take all of human history into account, yeah, it's improved. But I'm not living in the 11th century. I'm living now, in America. There are great disparities in our society that are socially, if not economically unsustainable. Just because I have indoor plumbing and a motor vehicle doesn't mean I am intellectually/morally obligated to a life of political passivity.
The point is we have far too many people stuck in a mindset *that doesn't help anyone.* The problems of poverty, inequality and the like are not be solved with platitudes and political posturing. These problems are baked into our DNA.
The point, in short, is such- don't assume you know what is best for the world. You don't. Don't assume you can make a positive change on a global scale. You can't.
Instead, have some *perspective.* You have indoor plumbing. You have a motor vehicle. What system was put in place that allows you to attain such things *and how can we apply it to everyone?*
Many hierarchies aren't merit-based.
Old Atlanta True. Pro football players are bigger than me. Almost certainly , despite the meritorious training regimen, they’re bigger than me. That is a physical hierarchy where I am on a lower rung. Should I go have a cry, screaming ‘unfair!!!!’ Or should I just accept a fact I cannot change and go find something else to do? Which do you think will be more constructive?
@@danstuart9494 Hit the gym.
You got to have legs to even consider entering a foot race. Genetic fitness is the first merit. People should choose better mates.
@Khaled Rapp Well honestly Trump was a pretty cool dude before his presidency 😎😎, smart dude back then lol. Orange man bad now 😎
Old Atlanta Are you serious? “Hit the gym” do you have any idea about anything? There’s so many genetic differences that can’t close these gaps. I can “hit the gym” all I want, as can you but do you think you’ll have the fast-twitch count to compare? The hip width? Shoulder width? Height? Hit the gym all you want, generics matter. I’ll never be a pro basketball player and that’s for a reason, it won’t matter how hard I train and dedicate myself.
Close your eyes. Kermit the frog.
ENVY undermines everything.