As a black woman, I want equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome makes me feel like I didn't earn anything. Getting a scholarship for being black doesn't hit like getting a scholarship for being intelligent.
All reasonable people want equality of opportunity for everyone. The problem is that the radical left has taken this fact and decided to tell everybody about white privilege in an attempt to make you feel like no matter what, you never have equality of opportunity anyway.
@@jn6305 Truth. Which, if it was true, we wouldn't have had people like Obama, Kanye West, Beyonce, or Carson. There are so many amazing, successful, honored, and decorated black people out there. They didn't need a single hand out. If you really believe in black people, let them earn what they have.
UAU! That is the best answer ever!! No Sarcasm involved. The absurd is that what you said is pretty simple to understand and so obvious that I don't know how people cannot agreed with that.
It is irrelevant how it “hits” with you, what matters is that you develop value you want in a given market. JP just said to avoid raceing/sexing everything. Please never feel the need to say “speaking as a” I will listen to you regardless of your skin pigmentation.
It doesn't matter if a field is 80% male or 80% female as long as the most qualified person gets the job. When we start trying to make everything 50/50 qualified people get turned away for the sake of equality.
@@christ2664 what's wrong with starting everyone from an equal playing field? It's not saying "all women need to be engineers." it's saying "Hey, maybe let's not steer women into certain careers by reinforcing gender stereotypes, and let them do whatever they want, free of criticism." there's a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
Men are bigger faster and stronger than us 👀 During my time in the military I also noticed men tend to have a stronger grip on their emotion, especially in stressful situations 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️Nothing offensive about that
@@GlitterMarcy and that's why men and women are different and it's ok. My soon to be ex wife 💔😭 can keep things organized for the 4 kids in a way I never could. But I can play with them and discipline them in a way she never could. And I've been trying to convince her our family is worth counseling which weve never done. And effort. 💔😭
Sure. Let's just say, hypothetically, I was a genius IQ level, graduated from a top University, grown up with a wealthy, relatively decent parent; yet I happen to be a heroin addict. You cant just put off my (again hypothetical) problems on society. I was/am responsible for my own choices.
@@benhaney5843 If you were captured (innocent) and forced heroin with surgery done to your brain to remove capacity to resist addiction -A. It would be diferent to you choosing to take heroin because you thought it would be fun -B. Usually if people are moral and smart the bad things that happen to them are because of society imo. Or more simply put, imo smart ppl can't be "stupider" than everything else. Also usually when people go wrong its because societal systems or their parents fail them, its less about their intelligence.
Ben Haney , they're talking about how environment influences everything , down to genetics , the atoms too , so that being said , your mind is influenced very much by environment
I can't believe there are actually people exist who thinks forced equality of outcome is a good idea. Some of those people are actually quite intelligent. It's like what is going on in their head?
It is a bit mind boggling for sure, I mean I know even the most intelligent people have their stupid moments. But it's a bit hard to believe educated people wouldn't think about the implications of that kind of equality. I really don't know what to make of it.
politicians HAVE to support this idea to have people vote for them, or in order to keep their job. they don't have to agree, but it's the "right" thing to do.
@@Ecthelion3918 Its simple...Intellectuals betrayed the common man as it has been asserted by many intellectuals over the last 70 years. This is not rocket science lol, its the basic human condition concept which asserts that all human action is fundamentally driven by Faith or fear irrespective of facts. This is why my best meme is the one I sorta created for these sorts of moments ua-cam.com/video/_90C2jZ-6TQ/v-deo.html
The intelligent ones don’t actually believe in that type of philosophy - they are preying on the stupid people’s gullibility to advance themselves and their careers and wealth
It is because Joe is truly interested. Many people who do these sort of interviews are doing it just to interview, they could give two shits what the person says, Imagine Larry king interviewing Peterson it would be wasted. Then we have these nightly TV leftist host who would only interview him in an attempt to edit and try to make a fool out of Peterson if they can. Joe on the other hand is really interested in most of the stuff his guest say. He really is a great interviewer and despite his size I do not believe he gets the credit he deserves from the general population for it.
The amount of negging and cuckolding on any post made by a woman seriously needs to stop lol after you visit pornhub; just go outside and get rejected after this quarantine dies out and be toxic to your significant other they love that shit smh
I’ve heard him give the exact same speech on gender like 100 times and it never gets old, he absolutely destroys everything 3rd wave feminists complain about
Can you explain to me, why are genders important? Because I really do not see the exact way of how it is beneficial to call someone by specific pronoun. I tried to gain knowledge in Google but everything is vague.
@@johncoffy7824 it’s not “beneficial” it’s just how people speak, and when you try to change how people talk you try to change how they think. Speaking is how we express ourselves and if we are compelled to speak a certain way then we aren’t truly free.
@@johncoffy7824 I never said it was ok I’m saying we shouldn’t compel speech by law, people should be able to call each other whatever they like in their own social groups, but don’t go around demanding that strangers call you something that you don’t outwardly appear to be, because that’s not hate speech that’s just how we communicate.
It's NOT just the chess community. People think I must be an idiot because I've survived two severe TBI's. I'm so absolutely insulted at some of the rude things people say to me, and that the vast majority of people I know don't so much as blink when I make a joke. A man in an adult Sunday school class I was in dropped his jaw and let it hang agape when I asked what, to me, was just another Gospel-related question one Sunday. I was so irritated that he wasn't expecting a high-intellect question that I yelled at him. I felt bad about yelling at him, so that week, I put together a dove-carrying-an-olive-branch gift, set it in front of his door, rang the bell and ran. He did NOT understand the reference, but he did thank me for it. I admit the Italian cookbook and small, felled branch was a little obscure because I cannot afford olive wood, but I thought that since I included Dove chocolate, it would be a dead giveaway. I would have included a note, tying the theme together, but I was afraid it would blow away, and I'm pretty sure I didn't own a stapler at the time. I wasn't sure I had a sense of humor anymore, considering how long it had been since anyone had laughed at one of my quips, but I was having a phone conversation with a new friend, and he seemed VERY jovial. I said I'd never had such a good reception to my material. He said, You tell jokes all the time, and then he said he figured people who know me don't laugh at my jokes because they think anyone with as much brain damage as I have couldn't POSSIBLY be clever enough to say something witty. That was an epiphany for me. I was suddenly EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with everyone who THOUGHT they knew me; I couldn't believe everyone I knew could be so close-minded. VASTLY disappointing.
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
I agree that there should not have to be a 50/50 on each job, we should hire the most qualified regardless of anything but capabilities. I do however think that as a society we should not assign jobs with genders even if that job does have more of one gender working in it. This amplifies the fact that more of one sex works in one a certain field. For example a female may be put off working as an electrician because it’s a “mans field” and not because her brain is wired that way.
Living and commenting right now from Sweden, I would say it is not true. We promote Gender equality in terms of equal opportunity and equal pay. But absolutely not 50/50. most of the private companies are aware of the consequence of pushing hard to 50/50 will be that you might lose talented individuals from both gender depending on the branch.
I feel that swedes are starting to get sick & tired of this gender equality -bullshit the more it's forced upon swedes everyday living. Even more worrying now are the universities application of gender studies in their implementation of gender mainstreaming. That means no real freedom of speech and free thinking among students since you're basically not alowed to criticize or debunk this pseudoscience agenda without consequences.. just like in North Korea :)
There is absolutely crucial moment in this interview when they talk about congnitivily more able people grouping. Joe quickly realized the point and corrected himself. I cant stress enough how rare this is when people are talking about any subject. Most of them are caught in trap of trying to be right and dont really absorbing the information given to them.
I feel bad for Jordan, it’s like he’s standing in front of a forest and saying “look at the trees” and everyone else is like “ there are no trees, everything is a bush “
Without knowing the accuser personally, it is prejudices and agendas. Not just SJW, but many only accept logic that supports their agenda progressing. Contradiction feels like a crime against the state.
What people seem to not understand is that he's *defending* equality of opportunity, he's only saying that *on average* , keyword: *average* , men and women are different, and that nb should expect equality of *outcome* nor should they evaluate the effort that is done for equality on its basis.
@서영준 lol you think theres equality of outcome in china. have you ever been there? there is a massive difference between the rich and the poor, they are only a communist country in loose terms and because of their image. in factuality they are an authoritharian semi capitalist dictatorship with massive inequality in the country
I actually was expecting the word "communism" to be thrown in at any moment when discussing equality of outcome! There are *plenty* of studies that debunk this and call it for what it is A UTOPIA!
@@guillermosuarez6535 it doesnt take a genius that we are never going to be able equally wealthy or whatever, but to just throw our arms in the air and be fine with any inequalities is just crazy. because some inequalities by the fact that they are sosevere SHOW that there isnt equality of opportunity in a given issue, its just not that visible. for example even if women choose lower paying jobs we should look into why that is. and if its somethihng that is socially taught to them it hsould be changed because they are creating a gap that shouldnt be so severe.
@@joaodelgado6696 No dude, It's not my point nor Jordan's to say: "This is all fine!" the point is that there is no way in hell everybody can have the same outcome without some communism or something as wicked as that. Why? Because even with equalitarian opportunities people are just different, some have superior talent, or will, or ambition, or determination, or even luck! So again, the point is not that having gaps between rich and poor is okay because it's not. The point is that aspiring equity in outcomes is futile because there will be someone who will work harder, better, more efficient and that should be rewarded!
@@guillermosuarez6535 again. this isnt some elightened thinking, this is fuckin common sense. that doesnt mean its a valid point or something we should contend with. People in the middle ages could have said exactly the same thing "well no one is ever going to be equal so we might as well enjoy the best of our situation". No, not everything can be solved but some things CAN be solved and SHOULD be soulved. Just throwing our arms in the air and saying, oh well we ve made enough progress is crazy. PLenty of inequalities can still be meaningfully addressed without turning the coutnry into a crazy communist utopia, this is a strawman. Look objectively at the problems, and figure out solutions. and yes, if we all believe we as humans are truly equal, meaning that our differences are between individuals and not between groups, meaning whites are no different from blacks, or men from women, than the inequalities that we see in the present OUTCOME should raise some red flags. because right now society shows inequalities based on gender race, etc. Erasing inequalities between individuals is not a deried or realistic project, but erasing inequalities betewen races for example is very well achievable and there are a number of solutions that could be practiced. the problem is it goes against the bigoted status quo so nothing changes and people just say "oh welp. things are always going to be inequal so why bother doing anything"
I think the reason he's become well known is that he's a spokesperson for people who still have their common sense intact and is actually backed by Science, against people who are just out there crying because their feelings got hurt (and they are loud).
Peterson, no matter how often he claims that he is good at not letting his emotions cloud his intellect, is the one whose feelings get hurt whenever feminism and patriarchy are mentioned, especially if the person interviewing him is a woman. He may be bright, but in some respects he is a dinosaur.
man listening to jordan peterson talk with someone that actually lets him express his ideas is something wonderful. so much insight flowing through conversation. pretty crazy people will close out of the podcast the second they hear something that they don’t agree with, as if they have more insight on the matter than either one of these guys
Honest answer? Sociology suggests that conditioning and nature impact each other. The logical extrapolation of that is that we can't necessarily observe the "objective" differences between men and women because we're all shaped by our circumstances and by what our parents and teachers and media have taught us. Basically, possibly men and women/males and females are different, but what we identify as a man versus what we identify as a woman is shaped by society. Which differences are noted and highlighted as important is decided by society. But that's it. That's not saying men and women aren't different, or that males and females aren't different. It's saying that what those differences are and how big those differences are, can't be precisely pinpointed by us, because we exist within a society that shapes both our own perspective and shapes what we're looking at. None of that means that there IS no difference, or that you can possibly organize a society where there are no differences. It certainly doesn't suggest that you SHOULD go about organizing a society where there are no differences! I trained as a sociologist. Sociology as a discipline is not in alignment with what Peterson refers to as the radical left.
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 To create a mental image of the kind person she is? As much as I'd like to say people can recognize individuality that isn't the way we work. You are apart of a group and identifying yourself as a member of that group isn't wrong. Jordan goes against the general LGBT outlook and a lesbian stating that he is reasonable solidifies his points. So my question to you is why do you care that someone is announcing their group?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 The fact is...a 'middle-aged lesbian' will get a hard time from the modern 'activists'...possibly more than JP. Lesbians today can be (and are) trolled and picked on if they say, when asked, they would not have a relationship with a trans woman (born a man). Common sense would predict that's the likely answer and no one should even care or have a problem with that...but these are crazy times. I'd like to hear more people of minority sexualities (LGBT+) speak up when they agree with people like JP so we can restore the balanced view of society. I hate it when the loonies always shout louder and are the only ones being heard!
@@mat4283 Well eventually that will be made, but now, blind people can't drive. Right now, some people can't do things that others can. Of course, technology will bridge the gap eventually, but we can't pretend everyone is equal, cause we can all think and feel but a blind man can't box but a man that can see can.
AverageUA-camCommenter I’ve noticed I do that too lol. It really depends on the person you are listening to, some personalities may like that and see it as engaged. Yet other will see it as intimidating, always a good idea to read the other persons expressions
This man is a bloody genius.. and he is just stating the facts. But those facts are stated in such a complex and intriguing way that you are mesmerized to hear them..
yeah you know that's not a good thing, one complain I would have to give to him is that, for a professor, he's really bad at explaining. He makes grand arguments with fancy words that in the end, doesn't really accumulate to anything comprehensible and that is his fault. Sure he's a bit eccentric and even poetic at times but when you're trying to articulate a thought that is suppose to be the ground of your argument, you're supposed to be as concise and clear as you can. Which he doesn't do. When you start noticing this, you will also notice that he rarely finishes a thought completely and leaves many holes open but since he's so quick minded and charming, it gives the impression to the person he's speaking with that his argument is fullproof. It is not.
@@cyral_u So pretty much your saying..he should Barney it down a level, so everyone else can understand...lol..I agree at some point, but if he did..he wouldn't be the Jordan Peterson we know now.
As a masculine female who has always preferred “things”, this actually makes me feel far better than the leftist crowd ever did. They say I should actually be a man; Jordan says I’m fine and normal the way I am. I appreciate that.
I have ADHD, as a kid my mom would allow me to work outside with my dad and brothers with the fun work. I wasn’t allowed in the kitchen because I burn things. I’m not gay I don’t think I’m a man, I’m just not a good fit for jobs that are done by women in my culture and society. I’m married to a man, have six kids, still can’t cook but I’m definitely a woman. I also don’t appreciate these kids telling me I’m a man in a woman’s body and doing injustice to my self. They should go fly a kite.I also don’t appreciate them calling me a breeder or a feeder, I’m a mother and a woman.
At this time I am driving for a living. More than 50% of people on the road are slowpokes and cause gridlock, about 30 to 50% of these people are men. I am a man and used to think that the reason I'm an efficient driver was because I'm a man and women are uncomfortable behind the wheel - not true. There are lot of men who are uncomfortable driving and are slowpokes.
@@peppercap I am assuming you're suggesting that people who are driving for the sake of arriving at a destination can be compared to people who are driving for the sake of earning a wage. I think these two things can't be compared. When I drive to work, I give myself extra time and I drive leisurely; however, if time was money, I would constantly drive with purpose. I might even make opportunities for myself to get to where I'm going faster like speeding, making rolling stops, or making frequent lane changes. This is the high-risk-high-reward decision making mindset referred to by Peterson. Supposedly, per Peterson, men are more likely to drive like that than women, and so they earn more money.
Taking longer would make you more since your earnings is based on a a by mile and by minute basis. For example it could be 75¢/mile and 10¢/minute. If you’re speeding and trying to make it to the destination super fast, not only is that going to cost more gas, it’s going to make you less. Not to mention a lot of passengers don’t like when you drive too fast because they get scared. Unless a passenger specifically says they’re late and need you to go fast, your best bet is to go around the speed limit or the speed of traffic.
I've witnessed first hand how this equality never works. Hiring unqualified people and promoting unqualified people over the best qualified people will always lead to disasters.
TallulahSoie I remember dealing with that in high school, working at a major grocery chain, they hired a kid who had some sort of mental disorder, to the point he would climb up on top of the freezer and cry and you couldn’t get him down, he had to have his dad come get his schedule every week, that’s not equality, that’s just ridiculous.
It's basically Communism. Those guys were never good at facts and planning. In a *rational* society, if we notice that 80% of doctors are male, we don't begin indiscriminately hiring under-qualified females! We go back to the beginning and research why fewer female students are getting into med school. Then we follow it back to the step before that and ask why fewer female students excel in STEM studies. You determine the factors behind that (poverty, social bias, etc) and then you fix THAT. People are just allergic to work and love slapping Band-Aids on things.
He is so brilliant- his intellect actually pisses people off to the point of utter insanity. All of what he is saying is backed by scientific proof/data. We need more like him.
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 It depends what aspect of religion your speaking about, since if you're only talking about the subjective religious experience then yes, but not in terms of the psychological distillations found within the narratives that can be paralleled to human behavior
@@calundoconteal6851 he believes his wife was cured from cancer by an invisible wizard in the sky It’s understandable that this tragedy makes him and everyone else emotional, but it’s highly irrational and nonsensical
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 I don't see how that relates to his psychological interpreatations of religion. If he believes in God, so what? Many brilliant people believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with it. There is a rational side of people, but then there is a mythical side of people, and even you have that, although it may not be in the form of a traditional God. We all have a unique inner world and not everything is an objective experience. The difference is, he doesn't oush his subjective God experience into his psychological work, and like Carl Jung, when he evokes religion, he does so in a systematic matter where it's contents are defined as poroducts of human universals
@@calundoconteal6851 “so what” it is highly irrational to believe in supernatural voodoo and it is highly dishonest to claim that supernatural stuff is real
Oh, man, you need to explore Dr. Peterson's channel more. The vast majority of his videos I watch involve only him speaking for most, if not all of the video. Then again, I don't lean toward the politically themed videos. I prefer the psychologically themed videos.
GREAT point. It’s amazing to hear somebody with his intelligence speak uninterrupted by some fragile person who ultimately is not interested and never will be interested in his core points.
Go watch some of his lectures on YT he is a smart dude. His Naysayers really make me question their intelligence the minute I see them. Likely the same people trying to convince me that gender is a spectrum if I had to guess.
No one seems to realise they're essentially the same thing. Dumb leftists are incapable of making this point but it's just a fact. The (non-retarded) left actually has a point. There's actually no equality of opportunity without equality of outcome in the first place, and that's a big problem....
@@woofelator The word retarded is actually a slur. Also, the whole equality of outcome thing is something Peterson. I've literally never heard anyone else say it. Its a strawman.
Joe Rogan was smart to keep his mouth shut here because he doesn’t stand a chance. He doesn’t have a clue how to match wits with an intellect like Jordan Peterson. Nor does he understand a word of what Jordan is saying
@Grow32 The big bang theory is one of many theories, but the most accepted. This is because there has been done a lot of scientific research into the subject. We've made countless predictions and computer simulations that can back up the claim of the big bang theory. The theory of evolution is about as close to fact as you are ever going to get. This is not just a ''theory'' like you normies use, this is a scientific theory, which has a completely different meaning. You are so called open to your religion, not to the 1000's of other religions. You don't take Zeus seriously, or Athena or Thor. So why the hell would you take "God" or Jesus seriously?
@Grow32 Also we do know better. The earth is not 6000 years old. People don't get 200 years old. You can't fit all living animals on a single boat. Burning bushes cannot talk. You cannot walk on water (without tricks). You cannot heal the blind by praying. etc etc etc human virgin births are not real, being gay is not immoral, neither is eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 or more fabrics. The bible is the biggest piece of hot garbage I have ever read and can be proven wrong a million fold.
@@vinnieg6161 Vinnie, I could talk with you for hours about the origin of the universe. I've long been irritated at the nonsensical statement "It's just a theory". I understand that evolution is scientific fact along with the big bang (a bit shakier though, without a Theory of Everything). I'd love to talk to you about religion. I've been turning towards religion lately despite the fact that science will always be the only framework my mind accepts to explain reality. Do you have a Discord? I have come to an understanding about religion that has change my world view and I would like to run it by a fellow zealot of objectivity. (It does not violate the laws of physics since anything that does so is unconscionable to me)
We need more Type O blood represented on TV. And equal representation of Mesomorphs, ectomorphs, and endomorphs. There are too many Libras in high paying jobs, we need more Gemini and Virgos.
you can see how Jordan Peterson is having some mini strokes trying to comprehend the fact that he is in a platform that actually fives him space and time to speak and don't try to make him look bad, or say what they want him to say...
Initially I had no idea why there was any controversy surrounding Jordan Peterson. Now I see why some find him so "unsettling". It's because he's brutally honest. I only wish he was as prominent 20-25 years ago as he is today
+Tow Hee Ahhh don't even waste your time on NotArt. Zie's still stuck on "it's got nothing to do with gender pronouns or law". Completely unaware of the destructive philosophy which propagates identity politics and where it ultimately leads.
I think people get emotional because what they see in this is child abuse. It’s ridiculous that it’s happening. I bet the boys of this generation become very dangerous! Forcing them against their nature is a way of rejecting their natural existence, no empathy just lost confusion anger and a generation of psychopaths.
@@TrimTrimmer It definitely is child abuse, and it needs to be stopped. Sweden, Finland, and England already have. It's going to take longer here, where this "hyper-woke" insanity got started, because people are afraid to speak up.
Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way. Neither of us has seen the studies he is referring to. Neither of us know who the researchers were paid by. If you listen to Jordan Peterson without questioning him, just taking as a fact anything he says, then you "live in a world" where you make big mistakes. I'm here as a leftie who was too curious to find out Peterson's opinions/agenda. Now I understand a little more. I just wish I was dedicated enough to look up the facts the right way.
@@dariankaltenbach8062 I think you got the wrong impression and you come off a bit antagonized. I believe Jordan Peterson. The only thing that worries me is the zealous mindset that some people have been said to have. Never had a personal experience with any of it, so eh. It's all good. I just meant the thing about fact checking in general and how people prefer to listen to someone charismatic, rather than knowing. I'm really happy to hear that you were less lazy than me and actually looked up the research! I really admire that. But, ehhhh, any chance you could point me in the direction you found those papers? I'd love to check it out. All I know about Alex Jones are memes.
Or instead of a flood or fire it'll all end with the "God of Chaos" meteor thats supposed to hit earth in 10 years. I think it's a sign that we all need to get our shit together quick!
Jordan Peterson bothers radical feminists because he's done the research, he has the numbers to back up what he says. He's also level-headed enough to not get dragged down into the crap like name-calling and other things that distract from the topic. Sadly, he's usually the smartest guy in the room and he has to talk at what is for him a third-grade level so 'normal' people can understand him.
Feminists also have numbers to back them up. The wage gap is very real. Graphs and everything exist. I’m talking about the gap when a woman has the same job, same hours, same qualifications, and still gets paid less. Also why would Obama talk about it if it was a myth? You have these high political figures who actually know their stuff, but all people want to do is think that their America is so perfect, because these problems don’t affect them. People group all feminists as being crazy, when really it is just a fight for gender equality. This man has never been marginalized because of his race or gender, so it is easy to minimize a group of people’s problems. People would be livid if he said something about black people or another race. So why do you all just doubt women’s problems?
I consider myself a feminist and I also listen to a lot of Jordan Peterson, I don't always agree with what he is saying, but I find him calm and reasonable as he explains himself in most conversations. My only issue is that I feel like there are people who are fans of his that seem to be more on the radical side and resort to name-calling. Both sides have reasonable people who had differing lived experiences and so have different beliefs and on both sides there are highly extreme people who twist words and call names.
@@Mikkixox9 yea like I wanna hear his view points. But I feel like older people like him think it’s impossible to take down gender roles and stereotypes. While it might take a while, if we encourage girls to do jobs that aren’t “traditional” like women in STEM, that changes tradition for the better. But then when women do those jobs, they get ridiculed and made fun of. Boys in the hair and make up industries are supported by women they work with, and I think that should apply the other way around too. But it unfortunately doesnt
@@gabidimarco8328 I agree with you about supporting and encourage girls and women. I also think that men/boys face a great deal of redicule and discrimination going into more 'female' lines of work or even if they grow up a little more on the feminine side. I work in education and there's some distrust and fear over male educators working with young children, which is a shame because some of the best educators I've worked with have been men. As well, from my experience if a little girl plays with blocks, cars, trucks and likes sports she's seen as a 'tom boy', where as if a boy likes to play with the dolls, dress up, care for babies and paint their nails, people are generally more concerned that their may be something 'wrong' with the child. I think their is a societal issue/perception of girls/women=weak and boy/men being=strong and neither of those are good, because then boys learn to bottle their feelings and emotions to be 'stong' and girls learn to be agreeable and people pleasers. It's not healthy on either end, but I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up as I do my small part to help move the needle.
Adnan A I would agree 100% the main issue is that we all have to agree that we do not have equal opportunity at least not in every situation. Schools in our country are determined by your ZIP Code and that is a fact. I say that as someone lives in the suburbs and lives in a nice middle-class home.
@@arunsalwan8558 yes ghetto schools dont have the same opportunity, but this is not what feminists are fighting for they fight for equality of outcome which is insane
"There's nothing dumber than an intelligent person who has gone wrong", "the opposite of the truth is the worst kind of wrong". Peterson is an unintentional comedic genius!
I really like Joe because he is smart enough to know that he does not know everything. So he asks questions and awaits the answer. He actually wants to learn. It seems that every woman, however, who interviews Dr. Peterson, tries to attack him and prove their intellectual superiority. Of course they fail miserably and the doctor makes them look as foolish as they are. Go Joe!
This only applies to people he likes. He has his moments of being a good host sure but he certainly can be aggressive about things if he doesn't agree.
@@matthewscott9739 I rather would say it comes down to your political stance. If your a hardlining lefty you don't want to deal with natural facts. Peterson said it one time in perfect fashion: "their ideas come from a noble place". Due to the fact they want everything to be equal so badly, they can't wrap their head around the cruel reality of this world never was ment to be an equal playing field for everybody. You simply can't balance out everything.
@@ariesaggressiv7569 political stance...we are talking about the agenda of the sisterhood here. That agenda almost always has to do with my undermining the intellect & authority of men. The angle always to make the man appear dumb, weak, antiquated & irrelevant or if all fails abusive/misogynistic
"Fact's don't care about your feelings." "Facts care very much about your feelings. Let me show you this data we have on serotonin levels and..." I love Peterson. He's just the next level, the scientific level.
And Noam Chomsky hates Peterson because he stands up to the poison of Marxist doctrines. Noam is a bright man yet a useless pussy the minute anyone questions his Stalinist-Socialist fantasies. It's really too bad.
@@HapyyTheCat Nuclear weapons would take the cake if there was a large scale Nuclear attack somewhere or globally but only a few have been deployed against populations of people so it doesn't compare, though it certainly always retains that potential.
Can you imagine being in the army and finding out your commanding officer has their position because the military had to fill it with a certain ethnicity and gender? This is exactly the madness Kamala Harris represents because she was selected on gender and race. Shouldn't the VP be the most qualified person? I'm not saying she's the least, but the fact that she was selected firstly on criteria apart from merit is terrifying to me.
@@HooyahPeacock I agree with what you said. But in most countries women are not allowed to be in army. Many women here in my country are ready to be on borders and they've to fight for that. Finally we will be having female soldiers.
@@privatep2730 She's mostly Caucasian so I doubt it was about her race. The American educational system... doesn't even understand the woman is majority Caucasian. Some doubt she has any black ancestry at all. It seems people have more of an issue with her gender.
I remember reading our ministers comments about Petersson and hearing about it again makes me feel ashamed of being Swedish. Jordan Petersson is such a classy guy and so proffesional in the way he behaves in, at least for me, stressful debates with agitated dissidents. Problem is/was that many people, including our foreign minister for sure, didn't understand that he was delivering facts and whats studies tend to show, not his own opinions. I saw Peterson hosting a Swedish talkshow around the same time and another polititian, leader of a well astablished party in Sweden, tried to argue with him not understanding that he presented well documemted facts and not personal views. Peterson kept his calm, as always, and tried to explain but to no good. She ended it with saying: "Well, i dont agree with that"! Don't ask me how u dont agree with facts, but that's what she said! Again, feeling a bit ashamed for being Swedish, but it was very clear that she didn't understand 1) the terminology he was using and how "equality of choice" effects "equality of outcome" 2) that he presented facts and what studies tend to show. Could've been a language barrier.. But no. It was ignorance and unwillingnes to understand. It's hard to comprehend how top polititians in a country, can misinterpret a situation that bad. Not just one polititian but several of them.. The outcome when having total equality of choice apperently isn't what could be expected and doesn't suit the feminist agenda. So instead of trying to understand the paradox and face the truth.. The outcome became Petersons personal views and he got stamped as an antifeminist. Even the talkshow host started asking questions about Petersons upbringing and what kind of father figueres he had! As if to find out where the professor in psykology got his vierd views from! It was very embarrising to watch, not to say cringy! But Petersons, kept his composure as always and politly answered the questions, no doubt understanding what was going on. I'm certain, that quoting and forced equality of outcome is to be far more expected in my country in the future.. As to correct what free choice couldnt achieve!
After reading your comment, I just watched the Jordan B. Peterson | Full interview | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan interview again. Yes, 99.9% of the IQ at that table was dominated by one person. And that woman coming out with the most banal wishful thinking statements nobody disagrees with - not even Jordan Peterson - and looking around so pleased with herself as if she destroyed his arguments and has said something brilliantly original. She's just robotically repeating the - no evidence - party line. And somehow she thinks that being obedient is being virtuous.
You shouldn’t feel ashamed for being Swedish at all.. this was just a person that either refused to acknowledge the facts or for some reason hated who Jordan Peterson was and was very narrow minded etc
David, yes I saw that interview and totally agree with your synopsis of the issues emanating from that program. Don’t be ashamed to be Swedish, it’s an interesting experiment being carried out in your country. But women will eventually wake up when they realise men are no longer interested them because of their anti-male views.
Psychology is not a field with demand and he goes to it🤓 I go to engineering and milenial, but he trying to insult all milenials like me cause we dont go to filed with a demand🤪😈
@@789uio6y In his defence he went into that field decades ago, it wasn't as saturated then as it is now. Also, and I may be wrong, but i have never seen him insult all millennials regarding their career choice- that would be quite the generalization. I have however seen him criticise a small sub set of students who get degrees in exceedingly low demand fields.
Yeah thats too bad for them. Because Peterson intentionally doesnt mention that hes a psychologist to his patients which pretend to be interviewers for the sake of social experiments for the improvement of the patients mental state. "Oh I see, you believe there are more than 2 genders eh? Well thats interesting. Please go ahead... While he makes notes about his patients & benefits from studying the depths of human psyche XD And soon enough all of his interviewers & people he lead a discussion with are currently sitting all in mental asylums in a "hug me tight west" to prevent them to be a danger to society. We give our patients electroshocktherapy 3 times a day. With enough volts to make the internal temp of them 114°F so they are nicely medium rare lol. Peterson is basically like Chris Hansen. He preys on potential mental asylum candidates & carries out his profession with elegance & expertise. And thats why avoid talking to my psychologist cause I wouldnt want to traumatize him with my life stories. So he needs a therapist as well lol. Jordan Peterson might be 1 of the smartest man in human history. And he is most certainly a very essential figure in the 21th century. His wisdom will shape the way for a brighter future. Out of this stupid & lazy capitalistic maze & onto the path of wisdom & knowledge. He inspired me to persue to study philosophy in the near future. And he also inspired me to get into reading more books. Especially Dostojewski, George Orwell, Nietzsche & so forth. This man has inspired me to become a better person that solves problems with words rather than pointless violence. Its fascinating how much of an impact 1 single person can make on you. Mr Peterson also inspired me to spend more time on things I truly love in life & make me passionate & help me be 1 with myself. I spend much more time on creating music, writting poetry or doing art in general. All it takes is reading 1 inspiring quote by a wise person & it gets me through the day with a smile. I appreciate the little things in life. I focus on the important things not if I have the newest I phone or other trivial stuff. Also being surrounded by nature is also quite therapeutic. Someday I want to leave our fast paced society behind & move perhaps to scandinavia with my family. Just somewhere surrounded by nature in a small cabin. Planting crops, raising animals, & trying to sustain ourselves with our own produce & what not as possible. I feel like the less time I spend online the happier I am. Because there is so many to do that can improve your entire outlook on life. Working out, having a balanced diet, meditating etc All it takes is a step into another direction & you can be so much more happy in life. Just love yourself thats all you can do. And eventually that reflection of love will hit someone else. And make your love shine onto another & you will be happy. I want to share a song with anyone that might be interested to clear up his mind from all the impurities. Check out Padmasana by Buckethead. A really life altering track. Peace
Close your eyes. Now picture Joe Rogan having a conversation with Kermit the Frog. I was napping when this came on, and woke up thinking Kermit was really clever.
Carl Sagan had an amazing nasally deeper pitched and soothing voice you can zzzzzz to effortlessly while JP has great info but his voice hurts my ears after a time. Still, no students fall asleep during his lectures.
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
Man if people stop being so obsessed with these things and focus on just living a good life and being there for each we would be living in a neo futuristic advance society by now
I just wish he wouldn't blaspheme so much. He kept his tongue tame in front of Jordon, but I can't bear to watch him constantly taking God's name in vain. If he don't believe, great, keep His name out of your mouth, but he can't. You can speculate why.
Id like to have Jordan Peterson as a life coach. He seems like the type of person who could provide someone with the knowledge to better themselves both financially & psychologically
Very interesting that female STEM participation goes down with the higher degree of equality and wealth of the country. The implications must be far-reaching.
It hits home for me too. My wife is far better than I am at complex mathematics, yet she has chosen instead to go into healthcare rather than a career in Computer Science, like I have. She could make a lot more money, but literally has zero interest in it, and enjoys treating patients and developing interpersonal relationships far more. She is also an immigrant, who speaks English as a second language. When we had a chat with a leftist who believes in the patriarchy, and systemic racism, the lefty was surprised to find that my wife has never felt discriminated against or oppressed since she has lived in the United States. I think mentality has a lot to do with it. If someone looks through life with a lens of social injustice, they will always find inequity. If one stays positive, positivity ultimately comes back to the person in return.
No, AFAIK there are pretty much no implications. The effect has a rather small magnitude. There's still about the same number of people entering STEM, so on a large scale, there's no problem. Nordic countries are not lacking people interested in STEM, the ranks are just still dominated by men. If many more women were entering the field, I would guess that the least capable men would be removed from it during education, so it would not increase the total numbers either.
@@Bicyclechris It's the victim mentality, once you take responsibility for absolutely everything that happens in your life, including the things that you don't think you have any control over, it gets better... Guess which sex is more likely to do that?
Dan Toland what an asinine argument. How can you take control of factors that are by definition out of your control? The left and feminists especially are the perfect example of standing up and taking their power back. But I guarantee you vehemently rally against that
@@eddarby469 Nope. I continue to hire exactly who I deem worthy and capable of the position. I don't believe in affirmative action or DEI and I will never abide by it.
What a joy to actually hear intelligent discussion in a world full of the opposite. JP's take on male/female differences, (based on deep thought and thorough academic research), reflects my own personal experiences in the workplace, home and beyond.
I've been watching a lot of Jordan Peterson clips. Now I find myself using words like "articulated knowledge" and "proclivity" more often. Has this happened to you?
Bloody hell, he's very technical and precise with his words I love it😂😂I'm an economics student and when we do our OLS interpretations and all let's say for men and women, listening to him feels like I'm listening to my professor, one standard deviation more n all😂😂
you should see him try to have an argument with cathy newman. He was so careful not to say anything that cathy could use against him, and he ended up embarrassing her really well
@@nomanm.5884 bro I've watched literally most of the interviews and podcast, how could I watch the classic, the cathy Newman one😂. When i was watching liberally i was like let him finish woman and what's with so you're saying and comment section was flooded with it😂
"There's trouble with the maples, and they're quite convinced they're right. You see the oaks are just too lofty, and they grab up all the light. Well the oaks can't help their feelings, as they like the way they're made. They wonder why the maples can't be happy in their shade... So the maples formed a union and demanded equal rights. 'the oaks are just too greedy, we will make them give us light!' now there's no more oak oppression, for they passed a noble law. Now the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, Axe, And saw!" - The Trees, by Rush. A Canadian band. How times have changed.
This is excellent. It has one torn between sympathy for the Maples and the Oaks. The only thing certain to all but the most complete nihilist is the realisation that the "hatchet, axe and saw" cannot be the right solution.
That's (lowkey) the whole point of the movement actually: "I want to be able to do WHATEVER I WANT and still be rest assured that no one will 'make me feel bad' by making different choices and getting better outcomes than me. IF I WON'T HAVE IT, NO ONE ELSE CAN!"
I really would need to see someone arguing that you should have a guaranteed successful outcome before I bitched about it. Seems stupid to bitch about an argument someone is setting up to take down himself.
What I like: The logic in what Jordan Peterson is saying. He is truly brilliant and without counterparts. What I don not like: People using Jordan Peterson as an excuse to justify their sexism/racism.
@@judithpetree6329 Ive been trying to listen to some of his rhetoric because I do see the value in his self-improvement motivational speech, but at the same time it is very man-centric and often puts down women to prop up the self-improvement of men. Defining women as intrinsically maternal and depressed is entirely subjective and fails to consider the social factors that often push women into those roles. Like did Peterson ever think that the reason women are more depressed is because they are often subjugated around the world or forced to ascribe to the nuclear family? Has he never heard of arranged marriages, sex-trafficking, or fucking foot-binding? Also failing to consider variance in women. Non-traditional women arent always a bad thing. Even if women were generally predisposed to do something doesnt mean they should do it or that there arent outliers and that there are even men that stray from masculine roles. Like I am more ambitious than my male significant other and he is so much better at keeping up with my darling niece than I am. Whereas I get exhausted from keeping up with her so easily. Is him being better at child-rearing automatically bad because he is a male? I dont personally think so. I love it. I wouldnt mind if I were the primary breadwinner and he can be the stay at home dad if that works for us and he and I both prefer it that way. For someone who supposedly encourages western ideals like individualism - he sure does a lot of pigeonholing of the sexes.
Equality of opportunity is the point! I just want the ability to choose my path and not be judged or paid based on my gender but on the quality of my work. I want caregiver jobs to be paid better too, because there is as much value and importance in that work as there is in producing software.
importance yes, value not. I generally believe that we should decrease amount paid to actors, singers and other parasites like sports people, but it is all market driven so unluckily caring for elderly people is not as specialized as coding unless u are a doctor and then at this point u usually get paid more than typical software enginner, at least in most of the countries.
It is incorrect to say "caring for old people is not as specialized as coding". It is, it's just that we don't value the outcome of a well cared for old person to specialize in it properly and therefore pay for it properly.
The only problem with this is that when you take hormones, as many transgender people do, it actually changes your muscle mass, so you ARE on a more even playing field than if you weren’t. So instead of XX or XY, it might be XX+hormones can compete against XY.
I can 100 percent confirm that people who don't have an interest in learning and broadening their minds with education often pick on those who are either naturally clever or who are interested in learning (regardless of ability) . This is why it enrages me when hipsters and fashionistas wear T-Shirts that say "geek" or "nerd" , because some of us get those terms used as terms of ridicule because we take interest in learning, yet hear are the every day people (often the bullies years later) who are wearing insults as a fashion statement without having 'earned' the right to wear it by either being interested in learning or being bullied for it.
@@alex1311t, as a woman approaching 80 yr. of age who has been a feminist for as long as I can remember, I can assure you that the focus of our energies and topic of conversation is women, not men. Don't flatter yourself, the only time men are even mentioned at all is when we are trying to figure out ways to keep men out of our spaces and their laws off our bodies.
Equality of outcome was along the same lines as affirmative action quotas. It basically stated that a given employer should have the same percentage of each race or gender in regard to those groups percentage of the population. For instance, if you had a population that was 25% Latino your workforce would have to be 25% Latino and half of those would have to be women. We talked about this (affirmative action) in a college class I had years ago. One guy was totally for it. I asked if a company should disregard a perspective employee's past successes and projected future potential in favor of hiring someone who was a minority and didn't have the same demonstrated abilities? He said "yes", and then I asked would you only do this in the public sector or the private sector as well? He said both. I said, OK, let's start with the NBA and the NFL..... You could have heard a pin drop. The guy then said, "well, that's different" to which our professor, a black female said, "no, it's not". Much to her credit. She said ability in a given field is ability in a given field, be it accounting, or basketball. I'm all for equality of opportunity, but when people push for equality of outcome they generally don't consider all the aspects/ramifications of it. Oh, and no one gets any special treatment or set-asides with that. Not a Fortune 500 company or the NBA.
No it isn't. Men seek out higher paying jobs, they work longer hours, they work in MUCH more dangerous jobs than women. Women often choose to stay home after having children, much more likely to work part time vs full time, and they aren't interested in the jobs that pay the best. It's not the fault of men when a woman wants to go be a low paying social worker.
@@mar504 I agree with what you posted, but I'm trying to determine what exactly you seem to have a problem with in my post. What specifically is your "No it isn't" directed toward? I didn't address many of the things you talked about. Watch the video and then read my post again. I'm talking about a lot of the social theories that are being put forth. I didn't say I agreed with them.
equality of outcome is when womens restroom and mens restrooms have the same amount of toilets. Equality of opportunity is knowing that women have to use the bathroom more frequently than men(due to biological difference), and therefore should have more toilets to accompany the need of women to empty their bladder as fast as men can(without having to wait in a long queue)
This is so true. I study engineering at university and all the girls I've seen are very socially gifted. I'm yet to see any awkward female nerds. But the men who are getting really good marks are very socially awkward.
Joe Rogan constantly sidetracks his guests and derails them from what they were trying to say. Peterson was trying to say that equality of opportunity is good and achievable. But equality of outcome is bad and corrupt.
I personally think that equality of outcome can be good but its how you achieve it. We can possibly achieve this idea by helping a group people who are lacking in a certain type of occupation by educating them better. But we shouldn't give them free jobs without the skillset to earn them. Educating groups who are not educated enough to even create an equal outcome is not bad imo. Just an idea I'm not to hard on defending it
That's how you know people did or did not do their homework, most English speakers probably do not know how language started or from where it originated, that knowledge is lost or rare.
@@studio9131 your most welcome, here are som more wisdom on the subject: The Principle of Gender: "Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes." This Principle embodies the truth that there is GENDER manifested in everything--the Masculine and Feminine Principles ever at work. This is true not only of the Physical Plane, but of the Mental and even the Spiritual Planes. On the Physical Plane, the Principle manifests as SEX, on the higher planes it takes higher forms, but the Principle is ever the same. No creation, physical, mental or spiritual, is possible without this Principle. An understanding of its laws will throw light on many a subject that has perplexed the minds of men. The Principle of Gender works ever in the direction of generation, regeneration, and creation. Everything, and every person, contains the two Elements or Principles, or this great Principle, within it, him or her. Every Male thing has the Female Element also; every Female contains also the Male Principle. If you would understand the philosophy of Mental and Spiritual Creation, Generation, and Re-generation, you must understand and study this Hermetic Principle. It contains the solution of many mysteries of Life. We caution you that this Principle has no reference to the many base, pernicious and degrading lustful theories, teachings and practices, which are taught under fanciful titles, and which are a prostitution of the great natural principle of Gender. Such base revivals of the ancient infamous forms of Phallicism tend to ruin mind, body and soul, and the Hermetic Philosophy has ever sounded the warning note against these degraded teachings which tend toward lust, licentiousness, and perversion of Nature's principles. If you seek such teachings, you must go elsewhere for them --Hermeticism contains nothing for you along these lines. To the pure, all things are pure; to the base, all things are base. --The Kybalion. .
In modern English it has almost exclusively meant assigned categories, like the gender of words; until fairly recently, biological sex was referred to simply as...sex. We started using 'gender' to refer to sex because it was confusing and slightly embarrassing to have the word 'sex' mean so many different things in different contexts. So technically, I'm afraid to say, the SJWs are closer to the correct meaning of gender. Remember, meanings in language derive from use, not from roots. Most of the roots of words mean something drastically different to their eventual meaning.
That was a veritable firework of interesting information and contexts. It is very demanding for a non-native English speaker to follow Peterson. Fortunately, I studied statistics for two semesters. So I can understand what he said. It's well worth the effort. The man is simply brilliant.
2:36 - 2:43, Do you guys even realize the magnitude of this statement? We are seriously deceived by the idea that independent women cant be married mothers. The idea of having a career and not having so called 'restraints' of children or a spouse has become so much more appealing to so many. Morals and values are decaying significantly and relationships are becoming harder to build. The family has lost its value therefore morals and values will continue to decay. Religious or not, family is the most important social unit and foundation there is to society.
Well said Kevin. My wife's family all live in Sichuan province in China, me their family is very tight. I'm kind of envious of this, and wish I could grow up the way she did. I think the average American doesn't know what they're missing out on. The world would be a much better place with less divorce and single parent households.
@IRAKnROLL it's more the culture that's being appropriated and normalized that's ruined things such as that. No one thinks we should take away woman's rights lmao. The biggest issue is no one truly knows what tf they're doing. This society we created is relatively new still. The Internet is incredibly new. No one knows what the long term effects of this will be nor what the absolute answer is for this. Were all accustomed to a society that is extremely new and no one knows how to properly structure it
@IRAKnROLL I was just explaining how no one wants to take away women's rights lol that isn't what the implication is. I then said that these issues are forming because of culture and society. I couldn't fix it because like I said, we don't know yet. It is a new world we live in, we have nothing to compare it to and were.all making it up as we,go along realistically
When I was in college, there was a woman that was in the same calculus class as me. She was heads and shoulders above everyone else, absolutely brilliant. She also happened to be super hot. Anyways, the professor asked her to stay after class when she was the only person able to solve an extra credit problem, and was told how amazingly brilliant she was and that she should seriously consider majoring in math or computer science. She turned him down, saying she simply wasn't interested in pursuing that career. Listening to jordan peterson describe how men who are good at math are only good at math, while women have a broader range of intelligence reminded me of that. She had the opportunity to pursue STEM and chose not to because she had that choice.
I don't think either sex genetically has a broader this or more aptitude for that. There are quite natural and very common differences between men and women, yes: As discussed by our very own Joe Rogan himself time and time again, men are on average just much more physically strong than women. At the same time, women obviously are better at communication. Both of this can be exlained due to their natural role in a relationship. One gets the food, the other organizes the community, cave, household, whatever it may be, so they can raise children and have their elders live in safety there. It's a simple model and it served humanity in coming ways since its invention. But when it comes to intellectual strides, I think men and women are very alike, with the core difference of men usually having just one mentor in their life, while women who are interested in pursuing intellectuality, will rather have dozens of influences to choose from. Most of these influences will be male and sexually interested. I'm the intellectual type of who talks to women a lot and I've come to this conclusion just recently, while I've noticed hints of it decades ago. Women truly do have a broader view on things most of the time, but I'd attribute that to their natural advantage over men in likability. I find it absolutely funny, how antiintellectual "feminists" complain about "mansplaining", while the very fact that men have tried explaining things to women since the dawn of time is their biggest advantage in these times. Men usually have to fight or be excellent to receive free tutoring. Women get it so much, they're annoyed by it. Like said, it's funny but also tragic at the same time.
That's also the problem with a meritocratic oligarchy. These "intellectual" types can follow their own rabbit through a hole they dug and not realize it until it's too late. I think one of the best examples of this is that Jordan was once a socialist. Thomas Sowell was a self-proclaimed marxist, even after studying under Milton Freidman, along with 2 other people in the same league at Milton
It’s always “fun” to listen to men make statements about women that do not reflect the reality of most women. I’m a female software engineer, but from my earliest memories I was steeped in gender stereotypes. Walk through a toy store. Watch a movie. Even most kid’s cartoons are STILL stereotyped characters. Even if our parents and every teacher we have were miraculously free of all implicit gender bias, we are STILL living within a culture that is staggeringly unbalanced. Most girls and young women get conscious and unconscious messages 1000x day about what women are most valued for. To suggest that women in cultures that value equality are choosing *based purely on interest* is absurd. Just because I discovered I *could* do something in no way means I’m not culturally programmed to not *want* to. Having said this, there are of course differences in what individuals find interesting, but it’s virtually impossible to know what’s there when every moment of our life we’re still hit with culture signals that women are sex objects, mothers, caretakers. I’m glad I took typing class as a young girl, because it proved useful when writing code. But I was there because in that time, ALL girls were being prepared for work as a secretary. We had to take Home Ec classes while the boys got to do the cool shop classes. At least I didn’t have to attend “charm school”, a requirement for all girls when my older sister was in school. I started out with a degree in education because I thought that was a good role for a woman. Only much later did I accidentally stumble into programming, realize I could not only do it but loved it, and went back to school for computer science. My big regret in life is that it never occurred to me until I was over 30 that this was a thing I would *like.* what we are “interested” is heavily colored by what we have come to accept. And JP is doing his best to keep the culture focused on gender stereotypes, but claiming it’s “just science.” We don’t yet HAVE the science because we don’t have many “control groups” raised with no culture stereotypes. One trip to my local corner gas station’s magazine rack is enough to remind me women are for looking at naked or buying makeup and clothing, while men are running companies. JP’s recent Twitter was partly from his criticism of a thick model who did not fit the stereotype of a “sexy swimsuit model” (though, interesting, at other times and cultures, much heavier women WERE viewed as more desirable. Culture matters. We cannot escape cultural norms. Maybe what JP says is true… maybe we’re doomed by our evolution to live like this. Maybe I’m a freakish anomaly for enjoying making things with code. Maybe it’s a character or personality flaw that draws me to something I’m not supposed to like. Or maybe far more girls would have loved it from the start if not pounded by messages like the one in this video.
Men and women placed into a new world with none of the programming abt what men and women “should” be then that world would more or less end up the same as this one, men and woman are equal in value but just different at the end of the day and nothings going to change that, the only reason the west is obsessing over gender and sex is because western society is bored, going crazy and crumbling before our eyes
Couldn't have stated it better. Prejudice is very real, and most women experience it. It's not some agenda/ victim mentality being pushed by some part of the political spectrum as Jordan claims.
As a black woman, I want equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome makes me feel like I didn't earn anything. Getting a scholarship for being black doesn't hit like getting a scholarship for being intelligent.
All reasonable people want equality of opportunity for everyone. The problem is that the radical left has taken this fact and decided to tell everybody about white privilege in an attempt to make you feel like no matter what, you never have equality of opportunity anyway.
@@jn6305 Truth. Which, if it was true, we wouldn't have had people like Obama, Kanye West, Beyonce, or Carson. There are so many amazing, successful, honored, and decorated black people out there. They didn't need a single hand out. If you really believe in black people, let them earn what they have.
UAU! That is the best answer ever!! No Sarcasm involved. The absurd is that what you said is pretty simple to understand and so obvious that I don't know how people cannot agreed with that.
It is irrelevant how it “hits” with you, what matters is that you develop value you want in a given market.
JP just said to avoid raceing/sexing everything.
Please never feel the need to say “speaking as a” I will listen to you regardless of your skin pigmentation.
Preach it preacher
It doesn't matter if a field is 80% male or 80% female as long as the most qualified person gets the job. When we start trying to make everything 50/50 qualified people get turned away for the sake of equality.
Daniel B equality of opportunity
Yeah this idea that women have it worse when there are less women in certain fields is just dumb.
'"equality of opportunity" lmao
Sad part is, qualification is ability to memorize stupid facts in specific order with 0 understanding, aka education process.
@@christ2664 what's wrong with starting everyone from an equal playing field? It's not saying "all women need to be engineers." it's saying "Hey, maybe let's not steer women into certain careers by reinforcing gender stereotypes, and let them do whatever they want, free of criticism." there's a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
I think throughout all of this, we as a human race, have neglected to mention how strong Jordan Peterson's hair and beard game is
He definitely has a good hairline for a 50 something year old. Better than mine and I’m not even 30 lol.
Dis true
@@danielburriss7827 He had a worse hairline when he was 30 too ;-) Look it up...
@John F the f in your name stands for full homo ;) J.P. approves
He is a king among men
Jordan Peterson talking about the reasons men and women are different has to be one of the most interesting clips on here.
Men are bigger faster and stronger than us 👀 During my time in the military I also noticed men tend to have a stronger grip on their emotion, especially in stressful situations 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️Nothing offensive about that
@@angelgray8899 and that's just facts right there good shitt
@@GlitterMarcy and that's why men and women are different and it's ok. My soon to be ex wife 💔😭 can keep things organized for the 4 kids in a way I never could. But I can play with them and discipline them in a way she never could. And I've been trying to convince her our family is worth counseling which weve never done. And effort. 💔😭
@@GlitterMarcy but you are absolutely right.
Ohh jes
"There's nothing stupider than a smart person who went wrong"
Yes.
It might say more about the society they are in and the opportunities actually available to them. Since by definition they are smart.
Sure. Let's just say, hypothetically, I was a genius IQ level, graduated from a top University, grown up with a wealthy, relatively decent parent; yet I happen to be a heroin addict. You cant just put off my (again hypothetical) problems on society. I was/am responsible for my own choices.
@@benhaney5843 If you were captured (innocent) and forced heroin with surgery done to your brain to remove capacity to resist addiction -A.
It would be diferent to you choosing to take heroin because you thought it would be fun -B.
Usually if people are moral and smart the bad things that happen to them are because of society imo.
Or more simply put, imo smart ppl can't be "stupider" than everything else. Also usually when people go wrong its because societal systems or their parents fail them, its less about their intelligence.
Ben Haney , they're talking about how environment influences everything , down to genetics , the atoms too , so that being said , your mind is influenced very much by environment
@@benhaney5843 if you were a genius in a first world country is not the same as a genius in Senegal or ksa or whatever shit hole
I can't believe there are actually people exist who thinks forced equality of outcome is a good idea. Some of those people are actually quite intelligent. It's like what is going on in their head?
they are all for equality of outcome....until its their outcome that gets taken.
It is a bit mind boggling for sure, I mean I know even the most intelligent people have their stupid moments. But it's a bit hard to believe educated people wouldn't think about the implications of that kind of equality. I really don't know what to make of it.
politicians HAVE to support this idea to have people vote for them, or in order to keep their job. they don't have to agree, but it's the "right" thing to do.
@@Ecthelion3918 Its simple...Intellectuals betrayed the common man as it has been asserted by many intellectuals over the last 70 years. This is not rocket science lol, its the basic human condition concept which asserts that all human action is fundamentally driven by Faith or fear irrespective of facts.
This is why my best meme is the one I sorta created for these sorts of moments
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The intelligent ones don’t actually believe in that type of philosophy - they are preying on the stupid people’s gullibility to advance themselves and their careers and wealth
Joe needs to teach seminars on active listening. Because he is a PRO. How he sits there, silently engaged for so long is baffling to me.
What is being said makes sense, truth is always aww to hear!
It is because Joe is truly interested. Many people who do these sort of interviews are doing it just to interview, they could give two shits what the person says, Imagine Larry king interviewing Peterson it would be wasted. Then we have these nightly TV leftist host who would only interview him in an attempt to edit and try to make a fool out of Peterson if they can. Joe on the other hand is really interested in most of the stuff his guest say. He really is a great interviewer and despite his size I do not believe he gets the credit he deserves from the general population for it.
It’s called having a conversation
So shutting up and listening is baffling to you?... yeah typical female LOL 😂
The amount of negging and cuckolding on any post made by a woman seriously needs to stop lol after you visit pornhub; just go outside and get rejected after this quarantine dies out and be toxic to your significant other they love that shit smh
I’ve heard him give the exact same speech on gender like 100 times and it never gets old, he absolutely destroys everything 3rd wave feminists complain about
Yeah...too bad the feminists are not rational...so they just don't get it.
Can you explain to me, why are genders important? Because I really do not see the exact way of how it is beneficial to call someone by specific pronoun. I tried to gain knowledge in Google but everything is vague.
@@johncoffy7824 it’s not “beneficial” it’s just how people speak, and when you try to change how people talk you try to change how they think. Speaking is how we express ourselves and if we are compelled to speak a certain way then we aren’t truly free.
@@fehmuh, then it is okay if I continue to call biological female using "she" even though she call herself a man? Thank you btw
@@johncoffy7824 I never said it was ok I’m saying we shouldn’t compel speech by law, people should be able to call each other whatever they like in their own social groups, but don’t go around demanding that strangers call you something that you don’t outwardly appear to be, because that’s not hate speech that’s just how we communicate.
"It's very rare that someone is elitist in terms of their cognitive ability"
Oh Joe, let me tell you about the Chess community...
Which is tiny in compare to most other communities.
It's NOT just the chess community. People think I must be an idiot because I've survived two severe TBI's. I'm so absolutely insulted at some of the rude things people say to me, and that the vast majority of people I know don't so much as blink when I make a joke. A man in an adult Sunday school class I was in dropped his jaw and let it hang agape when I asked what, to me, was just another Gospel-related question one Sunday. I was so irritated that he wasn't expecting a high-intellect question that I yelled at him. I felt bad about yelling at him, so that week, I put together a dove-carrying-an-olive-branch gift, set it in front of his door, rang the bell and ran. He did NOT understand the reference, but he did thank me for it. I admit the Italian cookbook and small, felled branch was a little obscure because I cannot afford olive wood, but I thought that since I included Dove chocolate, it would be a dead giveaway. I would have included a note, tying the theme together, but I was afraid it would blow away, and I'm pretty sure I didn't own a stapler at the time. I wasn't sure I had a sense of humor anymore, considering how long it had been since anyone had laughed at one of my quips, but I was having a phone conversation with a new friend, and he seemed VERY jovial. I said I'd never had such a good reception to my material. He said, You tell jokes all the time, and then he said he figured people who know me don't laugh at my jokes because they think anyone with as much brain damage as I have couldn't POSSIBLY be clever enough to say something witty. That was an epiphany for me. I was suddenly EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with everyone who THOUGHT they knew me; I couldn't believe everyone I knew could be so close-minded. VASTLY disappointing.
@@kayceequesadilla Open-mindedness takes time and is an active exercise for every breathing moment of man
Joel The Owl and academia.
Brier-Rose HopeDiamond you're projecting your insecurities onto others, you seem super paranoid. people don't notice the stuff you're talking about...
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
wait, are you saying that at every job there has to be
about the same gender ratio?
I agree that there should not have to be a 50/50 on each job, we should hire the most qualified regardless of anything but capabilities. I do however think that as a society we should not assign jobs with genders even if that job does have more of one gender working in it. This amplifies the fact that more of one sex works in one a certain field. For example a female may be put off working as an electrician because it’s a “mans field” and not because her brain is wired that way.
@Rowan Melton of course not, but for some reason feminists don't seem too concerned about that.
Living and commenting right now from Sweden, I would say it is not true. We promote Gender equality in terms of equal opportunity and equal pay. But absolutely not 50/50. most of the private companies are aware of the consequence of pushing hard to 50/50 will be that you might lose talented individuals from both gender depending on the branch.
I feel that swedes are starting to get sick & tired of this gender equality -bullshit the more it's forced upon swedes everyday living. Even more worrying now are the universities application of gender studies in their implementation of gender mainstreaming. That means no real freedom of speech and free thinking among students since you're basically not alowed to criticize or debunk this pseudoscience agenda without consequences.. just like in North Korea :)
Joe is simply the best interviewer out there. He listens, absorbs, and asks intelligent questions without any agenda whatsoever.
Except that he keeps interrupting the person being interviewed mid sentence.
There is absolutely crucial moment in this interview when they talk about congnitivily more able people grouping. Joe quickly realized the point and corrected himself.
I cant stress enough how rare this is when people are talking about any subject. Most of them are caught in trap of trying to be right and dont really absorbing the information given to them.
everyone has an agenda… ironically jordan tells him that he has an agenda lol
@@scrimshank1 Watched a 3 hour conversation Tucker had and he talked less than 20 minutes tops. Including the laughing.
I feel bad for Jordan, it’s like he’s standing in front of a forest and saying “look at the trees” and everyone else is like “ there are no trees, everything is a bush “
I was confused for a sec reading your comment lol
I'm so used to him as "Jordan Peterson" rather than just "Jordan" 😆
Or better yet he is like Damn you leftist idiots you made a machine to plant rain clouds in the sky, and now are screaming oh no shit, it raining
@@thetruth1862 wtf
Lol
A lot of poeple woken up and still Do. God is great, Turn to Yeshua, He loves you
How anyone can accuse JBP of misogyny is beyond belief. He is reasonable & fair, delivering reality to a deluded media.
Without knowing the accuser personally, it is prejudices and agendas.
Not just SJW, but many only accept logic that supports their agenda progressing. Contradiction feels like a crime against the state.
If you don't accept their most extremist beliefs you are a misogynist in their eyes.
Funny to say that is also one reason why he is doing this...
Thats why hes accused of being a misogynistic. Common sense and rational evidence based research is sexist
It's because he upsets women by what he says. They know that they can discredit him by calling him a sexist.
People often attack what they fear.
What people seem to not understand is that he's *defending* equality of opportunity, he's only saying that *on average* , keyword: *average* , men and women are different, and that nb should expect equality of *outcome* nor should they evaluate the effort that is done for equality on its basis.
@서영준 lol you think theres equality of outcome in china. have you ever been there? there is a massive difference between the rich and the poor, they are only a communist country in loose terms and because of their image. in factuality they are an authoritharian semi capitalist dictatorship with massive inequality in the country
I actually was expecting the word "communism" to be thrown in at any moment when discussing equality of outcome! There are *plenty* of studies that debunk this and call it for what it is A UTOPIA!
@@guillermosuarez6535 it doesnt take a genius that we are never going to be able equally wealthy or whatever, but to just throw our arms in the air and be fine with any inequalities is just crazy. because some inequalities by the fact that they are sosevere SHOW that there isnt equality of opportunity in a given issue, its just not that visible. for example even if women choose lower paying jobs we should look into why that is. and if its somethihng that is socially taught to them it hsould be changed because they are creating a gap that shouldnt be so severe.
@@joaodelgado6696 No dude, It's not my point nor Jordan's to say: "This is all fine!" the point is that there is no way in hell everybody can have the same outcome without some communism or something as wicked as that. Why? Because even with equalitarian opportunities people are just different, some have superior talent, or will, or ambition, or determination, or even luck! So again, the point is not that having gaps between rich and poor is okay because it's not. The point is that aspiring equity in outcomes is futile because there will be someone who will work harder, better, more efficient and that should be rewarded!
@@guillermosuarez6535 again. this isnt some elightened thinking, this is fuckin common sense. that doesnt mean its a valid point or something we should contend with. People in the middle ages could have said exactly the same thing "well no one is ever going to be equal so we might as well enjoy the best of our situation". No, not everything can be solved but some things CAN be solved and SHOULD be soulved. Just throwing our arms in the air and saying, oh well we ve made enough progress is crazy. PLenty of inequalities can still be meaningfully addressed without turning the coutnry into a crazy communist utopia, this is a strawman. Look objectively at the problems, and figure out solutions. and yes, if we all believe we as humans are truly equal, meaning that our differences are between individuals and not between groups, meaning whites are no different from blacks, or men from women, than the inequalities that we see in the present OUTCOME should raise some red flags. because right now society shows inequalities based on gender race, etc. Erasing inequalities between individuals is not a deried or realistic project, but erasing inequalities betewen races for example is very well achievable and there are a number of solutions that could be practiced. the problem is it goes against the bigoted status quo so nothing changes and people just say "oh welp. things are always going to be inequal so why bother doing anything"
I think the reason he's become well known is that he's a spokesperson for people who still have their common sense intact and is actually backed by Science, against people who are just out there crying because their feelings got hurt (and they are loud).
Peterson, no matter how often he claims that he is good at not letting his emotions cloud his intellect, is the one whose feelings get hurt whenever feminism and patriarchy are mentioned, especially if the person interviewing him is a woman. He may be bright, but in some respects he is a dinosaur.
I agree
the 99% of us that agree with him should just ignore the 1% of noisy whiners that disagree
man listening to jordan peterson talk with someone that actually lets him express his ideas is something wonderful. so much insight flowing through conversation. pretty crazy people will close out of the podcast the second they hear something that they don’t agree with, as if they have more insight on the matter than either one of these guys
yeah, he doesn't cut Jordan off like some slogan shouting radical left on mainstream media.....
To say that men and women are different is considered controversial. WTF happened to us?
Honest answer? Sociology suggests that conditioning and nature impact each other. The logical extrapolation of that is that we can't necessarily observe the "objective" differences between men and women because we're all shaped by our circumstances and by what our parents and teachers and media have taught us.
Basically, possibly men and women/males and females are different, but what we identify as a man versus what we identify as a woman is shaped by society. Which differences are noted and highlighted as important is decided by society.
But that's it. That's not saying men and women aren't different, or that males and females aren't different. It's saying that what those differences are and how big those differences are, can't be precisely pinpointed by us, because we exist within a society that shapes both our own perspective and shapes what we're looking at.
None of that means that there IS no difference, or that you can possibly organize a society where there are no differences. It certainly doesn't suggest that you SHOULD go about organizing a society where there are no differences!
I trained as a sociologist. Sociology as a discipline is not in alignment with what Peterson refers to as the radical left.
A-O what makes you say that
A-O no I’m cheese from foster home
A-O that’s very true, it’s like humans are the hyenas. Women get all the benefits and privileges
A-O, I disagree. It’s an oligarchy.
This made me depressed because it's so logical and makes so much sense, and the world is headed in the opposite direction of this.
Me too. People like Jordan are so far ahead of the average.
"Depressed"
I had a dream last night about beds. Dreams are true though?
Is it possible this is by design?
The silent majority is not insane. I think we're better off than "they" tell us.
He's such an interesting man. Middle-aged lesbian here, I really respect this guy - he's helped me immensely.
It really is genuinely good that you can be open minded about something like this.
Really confused as to why you had to put your sexuality in there. Who cares even if you eat pussy?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 To create a mental image of the kind person she is? As much as I'd like to say people can recognize individuality that isn't the way we work. You are apart of a group and identifying yourself as a member of that group isn't wrong. Jordan goes against the general LGBT outlook and a lesbian stating that he is reasonable solidifies his points. So my question to you is why do you care that someone is announcing their group?
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 Because JP is vilified by many in the LGBT+ community.
@@vengeancebyvenom9033 The fact is...a 'middle-aged lesbian' will get a hard time from the modern 'activists'...possibly more than JP. Lesbians today can be (and are) trolled and picked on if they say, when asked, they would not have a relationship with a trans woman (born a man). Common sense would predict that's the likely answer and no one should even care or have a problem with that...but these are crazy times. I'd like to hear more people of minority sexualities (LGBT+) speak up when they agree with people like JP so we can restore the balanced view of society. I hate it when the loonies always shout louder and are the only ones being heard!
Equality of outcome: When your Uber driver is a registered blind person...
Underappreciated comment right there xD
“Holy shit is that you Toph- OH SHIT TURN LEF-“
a register blind person can by a self driving car and use it for uber services, all he has to do is not tell you he is register blind, now what?
@@mat4283 Well eventually that will be made, but now, blind people can't drive. Right now, some people can't do things that others can. Of course, technology will bridge the gap eventually, but we can't pretend everyone is equal, cause we can all think and feel but a blind man can't box but a man that can see can.
@@mat4283 sheesh... okay, he's not an uber driver, he's a brain surgeon.
Bruh, Joe’s eye contact and ability to listen to someone speak is insane
Mike Hunt Ritalin. Lol. Kidding.
AverageUA-camCommenter I’ve noticed I do that too lol. It really depends on the person you are listening to, some personalities may like that and see it as engaged. Yet other will see it as intimidating, always a good idea to read the other persons expressions
You should check out his interview with dr soh :D
Well at this point it's kinda his job
Because he isn’t smart enough to add to the conversation.
This man is a bloody genius.. and he is just stating the facts. But those facts are stated in such a complex and intriguing way that you are mesmerized to hear them..
And yet he gets told to go crawl back under whatever rock he came out from by agenda-driven people.
yeah you know that's not a good thing, one complain I would have to give to him is that, for a professor, he's really bad at explaining. He makes grand arguments with fancy words that in the end, doesn't really accumulate to anything comprehensible and that is his fault. Sure he's a bit eccentric and even poetic at times but when you're trying to articulate a thought that is suppose to be the ground of your argument, you're supposed to be as concise and clear as you can. Which he doesn't do. When you start noticing this, you will also notice that he rarely finishes a thought completely and leaves many holes open but since he's so quick minded and charming, it gives the impression to the person he's speaking with that his argument is fullproof. It is not.
@@cyral_u So pretty much your saying..he should Barney it down a level, so everyone else can understand...lol..I agree at some point, but if he did..he wouldn't be the Jordan Peterson we know now.
@@gonzcway6428 did you just drop a "so what you're saying is" on a JP video, that sentence is banned here.
@@cyral_u Exactly, next time I'll add pronouns..lol
As a masculine female who has always preferred “things”, this actually makes me feel far better than the leftist crowd ever did. They say I should actually be a man; Jordan says I’m fine and normal the way I am. I appreciate that.
True, you may merely suffer from being cool. Keep rocking.
@@AlexDiesTrying Huh?
That was a compliment, I think.
I have ADHD, as a kid my mom would allow me to work outside with my dad and brothers with the fun work. I wasn’t allowed in the kitchen because I burn things. I’m not gay I don’t think I’m a man, I’m just not a good fit for jobs that are done by women in my culture and society. I’m married to a man, have six kids, still can’t cook but I’m definitely a woman.
I also don’t appreciate these kids telling me I’m a man in a woman’s body and doing injustice to my self. They should go fly a kite.I also don’t appreciate them calling me a breeder or a feeder, I’m a mother and a woman.
@@sk-may “They should go fly a kite” is a great insult, do you mind if I steal it? 😂
"Male uber drivers earn 7% more because they drive faster." Perfect way to sum it all up.
YOU ARMSTRONG, ARE THE WIN.
At this time I am driving for a living. More than 50% of people on the road are slowpokes and cause gridlock, about 30 to 50% of these people are men. I am a man and used to think that the reason I'm an efficient driver was because I'm a man and women are uncomfortable behind the wheel - not true. There are lot of men who are uncomfortable driving and are slowpokes.
@@peppercap driving at a safe, law abiding pace does not equate to uncomfortable.
@@peppercap I am assuming you're suggesting that people who are driving for the sake of arriving at a destination can be compared to people who are driving for the sake of earning a wage. I think these two things can't be compared. When I drive to work, I give myself extra time and I drive leisurely; however, if time was money, I would constantly drive with purpose. I might even make opportunities for myself to get to where I'm going faster like speeding, making rolling stops, or making frequent lane changes. This is the high-risk-high-reward decision making mindset referred to by Peterson. Supposedly, per Peterson, men are more likely to drive like that than women, and so they earn more money.
Taking longer would make you more since your earnings is based on a a by mile and by minute basis. For example it could be 75¢/mile and 10¢/minute. If you’re speeding and trying to make it to the destination super fast, not only is that going to cost more gas, it’s going to make you less. Not to mention a lot of passengers don’t like when you drive too fast because they get scared. Unless a passenger specifically says they’re late and need you to go fast, your best bet is to go around the speed limit or the speed of traffic.
I've witnessed first hand how this equality never works. Hiring unqualified people and promoting unqualified people over the best qualified people will always lead to disasters.
Sadly, too many businesses act this way.
TallulahSoie I remember dealing with that in high school, working at a major grocery chain, they hired a kid who had some sort of mental disorder, to the point he would climb up on top of the freezer and cry and you couldn’t get him down, he had to have his dad come get his schedule every week, that’s not equality, that’s just ridiculous.
It's basically Communism. Those guys were never good at facts and planning.
In a *rational* society, if we notice that 80% of doctors are male, we don't begin indiscriminately hiring under-qualified females! We go back to the beginning and research why fewer female students are getting into med school. Then we follow it back to the step before that and ask why fewer female students excel in STEM studies. You determine the factors behind that (poverty, social bias, etc) and then you fix THAT.
People are just allergic to work and love slapping Band-Aids on things.
It leads to a toxic workplace where the most competent people will leave or become unhappy and unmotivated.
However, initially the competent people in the organization have to pick up the slack while watching the less deserving individuals reap the rewards.
"They are also, what would you call... patronizing"
Never change Jordan.
He is so brilliant- his intellect actually pisses people off to the point of utter insanity. All of what he is saying is backed by scientific proof/data. We need more like him.
not when he talks about religion though
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 It depends what aspect of religion your speaking about, since if you're only talking about the subjective religious experience then yes, but not in terms of the psychological distillations found within the narratives that can be paralleled to human behavior
@@calundoconteal6851 he believes his wife was cured from cancer by an invisible wizard in the sky
It’s understandable that this tragedy makes him and everyone else emotional, but it’s highly irrational and nonsensical
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 I don't see how that relates to his psychological interpreatations of religion.
If he believes in God, so what? Many brilliant people believe in God, and there is nothing wrong with it. There is a rational side of people, but then there is a mythical side of people, and even you have that, although it may not be in the form of a traditional God. We all have a unique inner world and not everything is an objective experience.
The difference is, he doesn't oush his subjective God experience into his psychological work, and like Carl Jung, when he evokes religion, he does so in a systematic matter where it's contents are defined as poroducts of human universals
@@calundoconteal6851 “so what” it is highly irrational to believe in supernatural voodoo and it is highly dishonest to claim that supernatural stuff is real
The longest I’ve heard Jordan speak in one sitting. Wow. This is what he sounds like without interruption...
Oh, man, you need to explore Dr. Peterson's channel more. The vast majority of his videos I watch involve only him speaking for most, if not all of the video. Then again, I don't lean toward the politically themed videos. I prefer the psychologically themed videos.
@@TwentyZZ24 "messed up"
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He puts all his lectures on UA-cam. I don't think he monetises them either.
GREAT point. It’s amazing to hear somebody with his intelligence speak uninterrupted by some fragile person who ultimately is not interested and never will be interested in his core points.
Go watch some of his lectures on YT he is a smart dude. His Naysayers really make me question their intelligence the minute I see them. Likely the same people trying to convince me that gender is a spectrum if I had to guess.
I'm all for equal opportunity, I am not for equal outcome
Dude that is like...a revelation I wish I'd had earlier in my life
No one seems to realise they're essentially the same thing. Dumb leftists are incapable of making this point but it's just a fact. The (non-retarded) left actually has a point. There's actually no equality of opportunity without equality of outcome in the first place, and that's a big problem....
@@c.l.368 No one says retarded anymore, it's offensive
@@ariadnewolf8667 "That's retarded"
~Rick Sanchez
@@woofelator The word retarded is actually a slur. Also, the whole equality of outcome thing is something Peterson. I've literally never heard anyone else say it. Its a strawman.
This is a perfect example of what a good interviewer joe is......my man is talking, let’s listen.
Joe Rogan was smart to keep his mouth shut here because he doesn’t stand a chance. He doesn’t have a clue how to match wits with an intellect like Jordan Peterson. Nor does he understand a word of what Jordan is saying
I love Jordan Peterson. He’s The voice of reason that we need in this complicated time in cultural and social history
Well we still aren't letting women on the frontlines
yea though ignore his thoughts on religion he suddenly throws reason out the window
@Grow32 The big bang theory is one of many theories, but the most accepted. This is because there has been done a lot of scientific research into the subject. We've made countless predictions and computer simulations that can back up the claim of the big bang theory.
The theory of evolution is about as close to fact as you are ever going to get. This is not just a ''theory'' like you normies use, this is a scientific theory, which has a completely different meaning.
You are so called open to your religion, not to the 1000's of other religions. You don't take Zeus seriously, or Athena or Thor. So why the hell would you take "God" or Jesus seriously?
@Grow32 Also we do know better. The earth is not 6000 years old. People don't get 200 years old. You can't fit all living animals on a single boat. Burning bushes cannot talk. You cannot walk on water (without tricks). You cannot heal the blind by praying. etc etc etc
human virgin births are not real, being gay is not immoral, neither is eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 or more fabrics. The bible is the biggest piece of hot garbage I have ever read and can be proven wrong a million fold.
@@vinnieg6161 Vinnie, I could talk with you for hours about the origin of the universe. I've long been irritated at the nonsensical statement "It's just a theory". I understand that evolution is scientific fact along with the big bang (a bit shakier though, without a Theory of Everything). I'd love to talk to you about religion. I've been turning towards religion lately despite the fact that science will always be the only framework my mind accepts to explain reality. Do you have a Discord?
I have come to an understanding about religion that has change my world view and I would like to run it by a fellow zealot of objectivity. (It does not violate the laws of physics since anything that does so is unconscionable to me)
We need more Type O blood represented on TV. And equal representation of Mesomorphs, ectomorphs, and endomorphs. There are too many Libras in high paying jobs, we need more Gemini and Virgos.
Oh please yes, I don't think Gemini's are represented enough as country presidents.
We need to integrate the polar bears and black bears. They are just too segregated.
Hah! Yeah.
What’s a mesomorph?
Naaaah we need more pisces, we are the minority here NOT YOU....lol
Rhabdo B it’s a body type, mesomorph is like the big muscle body.
you can see how Jordan Peterson is having some mini strokes trying to comprehend the fact that he is in a platform that actually fives him space and time to speak and don't try to make him look bad, or say what they want him to say...
I know, right! Even I am periodically surprised that the host is not attacking him every time he opens his mouth. 😂
Initially I had no idea why there was any controversy surrounding Jordan Peterson. Now I see why some find him so "unsettling". It's because he's brutally honest. I only wish he was as prominent 20-25 years ago as he is today
Brutally honest yet rose to fame because he either lied about bill c-16 or didn't understand it.
@@MrEiwa123 Pff bullshit. Go home, crazy!
+Tow Hee Ahhh don't even waste your time on NotArt. Zie's still stuck on "it's got nothing to do with gender pronouns or law". Completely unaware of the destructive philosophy which propagates identity politics and where it ultimately leads.
His brutal honesty combined with his intellectual deficit make him obnoxious af.
@@Lebbz Except he fails to preach either logic or truth in favor of fallacies and feelings.
It nice to hear the subject of gender approached rationally, instead of emotionally. He's also right on in his analysis of "intellectual elitism."
Conversion
I think people get emotional because what they see in this is child abuse. It’s ridiculous that it’s happening.
I bet the boys of this generation become very dangerous!
Forcing them against their nature is a way of rejecting their natural existence, no empathy just lost confusion anger and a generation of psychopaths.
@@TrimTrimmer It definitely is child abuse, and it needs to be stopped. Sweden, Finland, and England already have. It's going to take longer here, where this "hyper-woke" insanity got started, because people are afraid to speak up.
I can't believe I live in a world where these facts are even debatable.
Nick you're in a world where the very fabric of reality is debatable and has been for millennia, this shouldn't be too surprising
Bro you're living in a world where people debate the fact that the earth is spherical or that its older than 6,000 years...
Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way. Neither of us has seen the studies he is referring to. Neither of us know who the researchers were paid by. If you listen to Jordan Peterson without questioning him, just taking as a fact anything he says, then you "live in a world" where you make big mistakes. I'm here as a leftie who was too curious to find out Peterson's opinions/agenda. Now I understand a little more. I just wish I was dedicated enough to look up the facts the right way.
@@dariankaltenbach8062 I think you got the wrong impression and you come off a bit antagonized.
I believe Jordan Peterson. The only thing that worries me is the zealous mindset that some people have been said to have. Never had a personal experience with any of it, so eh. It's all good.
I just meant the thing about fact checking in general and how people prefer to listen to someone charismatic, rather than knowing. I'm really happy to hear that you were less lazy than me and actually looked up the research! I really admire that.
But, ehhhh, any chance you could point me in the direction you found those papers? I'd love to check it out.
All I know about Alex Jones are memes.
@@Sulicius "Facts are not debatable when we're all looking at them the same way." I think you are confusing the word fact with the word perspective.
"It makes that theory not only wrong, but the opposite of the truth, which is the worst kind of wrong."
The flood's coming.
The rainbow is a promise that the God will not use flood waters too destroy the world... Again. This time he is going to use FIRE!!!
I'm with Set, Aquarions unite!
Or instead of a flood or fire it'll all end with the "God of Chaos" meteor thats supposed to hit earth in 10 years. I think it's a sign that we all need to get our shit together quick!
Mom’s gonna fix it all soon. Mom’s coming round to put it back the way it outta be.
The Buddha gave a prophecy of exactly what's going to happen. Spoiler: It's not the end of the world, but it's gonna be a deep cut.
Jordan Peterson bothers radical feminists because he's done the research, he has the numbers to back up what he says. He's also level-headed enough to not get dragged down into the crap like name-calling and other things that distract from the topic. Sadly, he's usually the smartest guy in the room and he has to talk at what is for him a third-grade level so 'normal' people can understand him.
Feminists also have numbers to back them up. The wage gap is very real. Graphs and everything exist. I’m talking about the gap when a woman has the same job, same hours, same qualifications, and still gets paid less. Also why would Obama talk about it if it was a myth? You have these high political figures who actually know their stuff, but all people want to do is think that their America is so perfect, because these problems don’t affect them. People group all feminists as being crazy, when really it is just a fight for gender equality. This man has never been marginalized because of his race or gender, so it is easy to minimize a group of people’s problems. People would be livid if he said something about black people or another race. So why do you all just doubt women’s problems?
@@gabidimarco8328 Sticks and stones may break my bones but there's always something to offend a feminist
I consider myself a feminist and I also listen to a lot of Jordan Peterson, I don't always agree with what he is saying, but I find him calm and reasonable as he explains himself in most conversations. My only issue is that I feel like there are people who are fans of his that seem to be more on the radical side and resort to name-calling. Both sides have reasonable people who had differing lived experiences and so have different beliefs and on both sides there are highly extreme people who twist words and call names.
@@Mikkixox9 yea like I wanna hear his view points. But I feel like older people like him think it’s impossible to take down gender roles and stereotypes. While it might take a while, if we encourage girls to do jobs that aren’t “traditional” like women in STEM, that changes tradition for the better. But then when women do those jobs, they get ridiculed and made fun of. Boys in the hair and make up industries are supported by women they work with, and I think that should apply the other way around too. But it unfortunately doesnt
@@gabidimarco8328 I agree with you about supporting and encourage girls and women. I also think that men/boys face a great deal of redicule and discrimination going into more 'female' lines of work or even if they grow up a little more on the feminine side. I work in education and there's some distrust and fear over male educators working with young children, which is a shame because some of the best educators I've worked with have been men. As well, from my experience if a little girl plays with blocks, cars, trucks and likes sports she's seen as a 'tom boy', where as if a boy likes to play with the dolls, dress up, care for babies and paint their nails, people are generally more concerned that their may be something 'wrong' with the child. I think their is a societal issue/perception of girls/women=weak and boy/men being=strong and neither of those are good, because then boys learn to bottle their feelings and emotions to be 'stong' and girls learn to be agreeable and people pleasers. It's not healthy on either end, but I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up as I do my small part to help move the needle.
Equality of opportunity but not outcome just makes so much more sense.
I'm thinking that"s what is referred to in the constitution - "land of opportunity".
Adnan A I would agree 100% the main issue is that we all have to agree that we do not have equal opportunity at least not in every situation. Schools in our country are determined by your ZIP Code and that is a fact. I say that as someone lives in the suburbs and lives in a nice middle-class home.
@@arunsalwan8558 yes ghetto schools dont have the same opportunity, but this is not what feminists are fighting for they fight for equality of outcome which is insane
bustinasscoach that’s a dangerous slippery slope and ultimately bad for society
@@arunsalwan8558 what is a dangerous slope? all jordan is saying is equality of chance is good, equality of outcome is disaster
"There's nothing dumber than an intelligent person who has gone wrong", "the opposite of the truth is the worst kind of wrong". Peterson is an unintentional comedic genius!
He should do battle rap. He would slaughter everyone.
@@mason430 😂
Maybe we should redefine intelligent
I really like Joe because he is smart enough to know that he does not know everything. So he asks questions and awaits the answer. He actually wants to learn. It seems that every woman, however, who interviews Dr. Peterson, tries to attack him and prove their intellectual superiority. Of course they fail miserably and the doctor makes them look as foolish as they are. Go Joe!
The Women are doing their "duty" to attack "the patriarchy" & attempt to discredit him bc he doesn't Ally with their movement
This only applies to people he likes. He has his moments of being a good host sure but he certainly can be aggressive about things if he doesn't agree.
@@sirprize5191 100%
@@matthewscott9739 I rather would say it comes down to your political stance. If your a hardlining lefty you don't want to deal with natural facts. Peterson said it one time in perfect fashion: "their ideas come from a noble place".
Due to the fact they want everything to be equal so badly, they can't wrap their head around the cruel reality of this world never was ment to be an equal playing field for everybody. You simply can't balance out everything.
@@ariesaggressiv7569 political stance...we are talking about the agenda of the sisterhood here. That agenda almost always has to do with my undermining the intellect & authority of men.
The angle always to make the man appear dumb, weak, antiquated & irrelevant or if all fails abusive/misogynistic
"Fact's don't care about your feelings."
"Facts care very much about your feelings. Let me show you this data we have on serotonin levels and..."
I love Peterson. He's just the next level, the scientific level.
And Noam Chomsky hates Peterson because he stands up to the poison of Marxist doctrines.
Noam is a bright man yet a useless pussy the minute anyone questions his Stalinist-Socialist fantasies. It's really too bad.
@@j_freed He's an anarchist actually and verociously opposes Stalins doctrine. (which is implied in anarchist)
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"Opposite of the truth, which is the worst kind of wrong."
lmao, that's brilliant.
Type I errors are considered the most serious in statistics. To claim something as false when it is true.
People like Jordan Peterson are our main assests against Idiocracy.
This is true. We are fortunate to have him.
Yea but sadly the Crocs became popular and set us firmly down a path 😂
Forced outcome is the most destructive idea humanity has ever had.
well... nuclear weapons id say slightly edges it out, but i agree it certainly takes a close second.
@@HapyyTheCat Nuclear weapons would take the cake if there was a large scale Nuclear attack somewhere or globally but only a few have been deployed against populations of people so it doesn't compare, though it certainly always retains that potential.
Actually it's a close second to communism.
Gender Paradox was my favorite 80's new wave band.
parrafin paradox is better...search the video and watch it
The drummer went to my high school in 11th grade.
@jopo was?
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Cloverfield paradox is my preferred gender identity
Hahahahaha
I love how Joe knows when to listen and shut up. It's a rare talent these days
i never saw a talkative guy like Joe that calmy listening. I am proud of you Joe
Joe is pretty good at sitting down and letting people talk. He has a thirst for knowledge and you don’t learn by talking, learn by listening
Lessons Learned:
1- high-risk high return strategy
2- extra 10% of work has a nonlinear return
3- there is such a thing as a part-time business
Can you imagine being in the army and finding out your commanding officer has their position because the military had to fill it with a certain ethnicity and gender? This is exactly the madness Kamala Harris represents because she was selected on gender and race. Shouldn't the VP be the most qualified person? I'm not saying she's the least, but the fact that she was selected firstly on criteria apart from merit is terrifying to me.
Lol have you served? Stuff like that happens all the time. I've had female sailors get a better evaluation than me for doing half the work
I don’t think she was elected because of race and gender
@@HooyahPeacock I agree with what you said. But in most countries women are not allowed to be in army. Many women here in my country are ready to be on borders and they've to fight for that. Finally we will be having female soldiers.
@@privatep2730 yes, she was. PERIOD
@@privatep2730 She's mostly Caucasian so I doubt it was about her race. The American educational system... doesn't even understand the woman is majority Caucasian. Some doubt she has any black ancestry at all. It seems people have more of an issue with her gender.
I remember reading our ministers comments about Petersson and hearing about it again makes me feel ashamed of being Swedish. Jordan Petersson is such a classy guy and so proffesional in the way he behaves in, at least for me, stressful debates with agitated dissidents. Problem is/was that many people, including our foreign minister for sure, didn't understand that he was delivering facts and whats studies tend to show, not his own opinions.
I saw Peterson hosting a Swedish talkshow around the same time and another polititian, leader of a well astablished party in Sweden, tried to argue with him not understanding that he presented well documemted facts and not personal views. Peterson kept his calm, as always, and tried to explain but to no good. She ended it with saying: "Well, i dont agree with that"! Don't ask me how u dont agree with facts, but that's what she said! Again, feeling a bit ashamed for being Swedish, but it was very clear that she didn't understand 1) the terminology he was using and how "equality of choice" effects "equality of outcome" 2) that he presented facts and what studies tend to show. Could've been a language barrier.. But no. It was ignorance and unwillingnes to understand. It's hard to comprehend how top polititians in a country, can misinterpret a situation that bad. Not just one polititian but several of them..
The outcome when having total equality of choice apperently isn't what could be expected and doesn't suit the feminist agenda. So instead of trying to understand the paradox and face the truth.. The outcome became Petersons personal views and he got stamped as an antifeminist. Even the talkshow host started asking questions about Petersons upbringing and what kind of father figueres he had! As if to find out where the professor in psykology got his vierd views from! It was very embarrising to watch, not to say cringy! But Petersons, kept his composure as always and politly answered the questions, no doubt understanding what was going on.
I'm certain, that quoting and forced equality of outcome is to be far more expected in my country in the future.. As to correct what free choice couldnt achieve!
After reading your comment, I just watched the Jordan B. Peterson | Full interview | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan interview again. Yes, 99.9% of the IQ at that table was dominated by one person. And that woman coming out with the most banal wishful thinking statements nobody disagrees with - not even Jordan Peterson - and looking around so pleased with herself as if she destroyed his arguments and has said something brilliantly original. She's just robotically repeating the - no evidence - party line. And somehow she thinks that being obedient is being virtuous.
You shouldn’t feel ashamed for being Swedish at all..
this was just a person that either refused to acknowledge the facts or for some reason hated who Jordan Peterson was and was very narrow minded etc
David, yes I saw that interview and totally agree with your synopsis of the issues emanating from that program. Don’t be ashamed to be Swedish, it’s an interesting experiment being carried out in your country. But women will eventually wake up when they realise men are no longer interested them because of their anti-male views.
Jordan Peterson gets excited every time he realizes Joe understands what he's saying..😆😆
i laughed
Dr. Peterson is a 'Clinical Psychologist' which is missed by all who hate him.
Psychology is not a field with demand and he goes to it🤓 I go to engineering and milenial, but he trying to insult all milenials like me cause we dont go to filed with a demand🤪😈
I thought getting degrees was liberal indoctrination?
@@789uio6y In his defence he went into that field decades ago, it wasn't as saturated then as it is now. Also, and I may be wrong, but i have never seen him insult all millennials regarding their career choice- that would be quite the generalization. I have however seen him criticise a small sub set of students who get degrees in exceedingly low demand fields.
@@contrasource910 I suppose he thinks it would depend on the degree, though i can't be sure.
Yeah thats too bad for them. Because Peterson intentionally doesnt mention that hes a psychologist to his patients which pretend to be interviewers for the sake of social experiments for the improvement of the patients mental state.
"Oh I see, you believe there are more than 2 genders eh? Well thats interesting. Please go ahead...
While he makes notes about his patients & benefits from studying the depths of human psyche XD
And soon enough all of his interviewers & people he lead a discussion with are currently sitting all in mental asylums in a "hug me tight west" to prevent them to be a danger to society.
We give our patients electroshocktherapy 3 times a day. With enough volts to make the internal temp of them 114°F so they are nicely medium rare lol.
Peterson is basically like Chris Hansen. He preys on potential mental asylum candidates & carries out his profession with elegance & expertise.
And thats why avoid talking to my psychologist cause I wouldnt want to traumatize him with my life stories. So he needs a therapist as well lol.
Jordan Peterson might be 1 of the smartest man in human history. And he is most certainly a very essential figure in the 21th century. His wisdom will shape the way for a brighter future.
Out of this stupid & lazy capitalistic maze & onto the path of wisdom & knowledge.
He inspired me to persue to study philosophy in the near future.
And he also inspired me to get into reading more books. Especially Dostojewski, George Orwell, Nietzsche & so forth. This man has inspired me to become a better person that solves problems with words rather than pointless violence. Its fascinating how much of an impact 1 single person can make on you. Mr Peterson also inspired me to spend more time on things I truly love in life & make me passionate & help me be 1 with myself.
I spend much more time on creating music, writting poetry or doing art in general.
All it takes is reading 1 inspiring quote by a wise person & it gets me through the day with a smile.
I appreciate the little things in life. I focus on the important things not if I have the newest I phone or other trivial stuff.
Also being surrounded by nature is also quite therapeutic. Someday I want to leave our fast paced society behind & move perhaps to scandinavia with my family. Just somewhere surrounded by nature in a small cabin. Planting crops, raising animals, & trying to sustain ourselves with our own produce & what not as possible.
I feel like the less time I spend online the happier I am. Because there is so many to do that can improve your entire outlook on life. Working out, having a balanced diet, meditating etc
All it takes is a step into another direction & you can be so much more happy in life.
Just love yourself thats all you can do. And eventually that reflection of love will hit someone else.
And make your love shine onto another & you will be happy.
I want to share a song with anyone that might be interested to clear up his mind from all the impurities. Check out Padmasana by Buckethead. A really life altering track.
Peace
Close your eyes. Now picture Joe Rogan having a conversation with Kermit the Frog. I was napping when this came on, and woke up thinking Kermit was really clever.
LMAO
I agree! The Kermit voice is also seen in Carl Sagan, it's the perfect background noise on which to sleep.
Carl Sagan had an amazing nasally deeper pitched and soothing voice you can zzzzzz to effortlessly while JP has great info but his voice hurts my ears after a time. Still, no students fall asleep during his lectures.
I love "The Muppet Show," but don't be dissin' Dr. Jordan Peterson. The man is AWESOME.
Oh man, I absolutely love Dr. Peterson but every time I hear his voice it makes me feel like I need to clear my throat
People like him must be protected at all costs. We need some rationality from time to time in this delusional time
I celebrate our differences. I love how men & women are different. When accepted & honored, we compliment each other beautifully. 💞
Beautiful science and rationale for modern times 👌🏼
Being from Sweden, a lot of things Jordan says is true, for some reason we have an obsession with equality, there has to be 50/50 men and women in every job, and I never understood why. Surely it's a better idea to just let men and women become whatever they desire, and if it turns out that on average, women aren't as interested to become electrical engineers as men then that's the way it is, there's no reason to force that specific field to hire more women to level it out. And we are different, both physically and mentally. So different choices in professions is to be expected. Women tend to seek nursing-related jobs more than men, and men tend to be more interested in objects (technology, vehicles etc).
Stand by science!!!
Man if people stop being so obsessed with these things and focus on just living a good life and being there for each we would be living in a neo futuristic advance society by now
SJWs be like "It's Mussolini & Hitler having a conversation. Punch Nazis."
If Hitler wore a dress, feminists and SJWs would post it all over their instagram stories
Musclelini
@@alex1311t, your lumping feminists and SJWs together shows that you lack knowledge of both of them.
Joe looks as engrossed as the rest of us probably are. He’s so much more than a cage fighting jock. A true thirst for knowledge. Love the guy.
I just wish he wouldn't blaspheme so much. He kept his tongue tame in front of Jordon, but I can't bear to watch him constantly taking God's name in vain. If he don't believe, great, keep His name out of your mouth, but he can't. You can speculate why.
Id like to have Jordan Peterson as a life coach. He seems like the type of person who could provide someone with the knowledge to better themselves both financially & psychologically
Very interesting that female STEM participation goes down with the higher degree of equality and wealth of the country. The implications must be far-reaching.
It hits home for me too. My wife is far better than I am at complex mathematics, yet she has chosen instead to go into healthcare rather than a career in Computer Science, like I have. She could make a lot more money, but literally has zero interest in it, and enjoys treating patients and developing interpersonal relationships far more. She is also an immigrant, who speaks English as a second language. When we had a chat with a leftist who believes in the patriarchy, and systemic racism, the lefty was surprised to find that my wife has never felt discriminated against or oppressed since she has lived in the United States. I think mentality has a lot to do with it. If someone looks through life with a lens of social injustice, they will always find inequity. If one stays positive, positivity ultimately comes back to the person in return.
No, AFAIK there are pretty much no implications. The effect has a rather small magnitude. There's still about the same number of people entering STEM, so on a large scale, there's no problem. Nordic countries are not lacking people interested in STEM, the ranks are just still dominated by men. If many more women were entering the field, I would guess that the least capable men would be removed from it during education, so it would not increase the total numbers either.
@@Bicyclechris
It's the victim mentality, once you take responsibility for absolutely everything that happens in your life, including the things that you don't think you have any control over, it gets better...
Guess which sex is more likely to do that?
Dan Toland what an asinine argument. How can you take control of factors that are by definition out of your control?
The left and feminists especially are the perfect example of standing up and taking their power back. But I guarantee you vehemently rally against that
MISOGYNIST
The person I deem fit for the job gets it with when I hire for my company.
The End.
... Until you hire the 50th employee. Then a bunch of laws impact your decision making power.
@@eddarby469 Nope. I continue to hire exactly who I deem worthy and capable of the position. I don't believe in affirmative action or DEI and I will never abide by it.
You know the world is imploding when a guy gets famous for simple, common sense. As the joke goes, it ain’t so common any more.
@Jim Harol lmao! Yikes.
Common Sense is subjective - your common sense is not my common sense. That is why Common Sense was NEVER common!
What a joy to actually hear intelligent discussion in a world full of the opposite. JP's take on male/female differences, (based on deep thought and thorough academic research), reflects my own personal experiences in the workplace, home and beyond.
I've been watching a lot of Jordan Peterson clips. Now I find myself using words like "articulated knowledge" and "proclivity" more often. Has this happened to you?
You are learning and improving. As long as you keep an open mind, you will always continue to learn and grow.
It has happened to me, roughly speaking.
....If it has you may be entitled to compensation
YESSSS
@@idan7989 ahahaha
Who here can listen to Dr. Peterson for hours
7 people
It takes a lot of brain power to process what he's saying but it's always amazing
I can listen to Kermit for hours
i am on three days now.
I believe I've listened and seen everything he's ever done.... that's a lot of hours.
I wish there was a Joe Rogan & Jordan Peterson daily show. I could listen to them go on about any topic, honestly.
For me, I could listen to Peterson talk for hours. There's always something to be learned from this brain!
Bloody hell, he's very technical and precise with his words I love it😂😂I'm an economics student and when we do our OLS interpretations and all let's say for men and women, listening to him feels like I'm listening to my professor, one standard deviation more n all😂😂
you should see him try to have an argument with cathy newman. He was so careful not to say anything that cathy could use against him, and he ended up embarrassing her really well
@@nomanm.5884 bro I've watched literally most of the interviews and podcast, how could I watch the classic, the cathy Newman one😂. When i was watching liberally i was like let him finish woman and what's with so you're saying and comment section was flooded with it😂
@@vaibhavphuloria4059 yeah it was infuriating to watch her ignore all his points and try to attack invisible points
"There's trouble with the maples, and they're quite convinced they're right. You see the oaks are just too lofty, and they grab up all the light. Well the oaks can't help their feelings, as they like the way they're made. They wonder why the maples can't be happy in their shade... So the maples formed a union and demanded equal rights. 'the oaks are just too greedy, we will make them give us light!' now there's no more oak oppression, for they passed a noble law.
Now the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw!"
- The Trees, by Rush. A Canadian band. How times have changed.
This is excellent. It has one torn between sympathy for the Maples and the Oaks. The only thing certain to all but the most complete nihilist is the realisation that the "hatchet, axe and saw" cannot be the right solution.
Ian Fitchett
Hey! It's just lawyers doing their job. No need to be so graphic.
Why would anybody ever really try if their “successful” outcome is guaranteed
Right, all that does is open the door for complacency
That's (lowkey) the whole point of the movement actually: "I want to be able to do WHATEVER I WANT and still be rest assured that no one will 'make me feel bad' by making different choices and getting better outcomes than me. IF I WON'T HAVE IT, NO ONE ELSE CAN!"
I really would need to see someone arguing that you should have a guaranteed successful outcome before I bitched about it.
Seems stupid to bitch about an argument someone is setting up to take down himself.
"there is nothing stupider than a smart person that went wrong" god i love this man PREACH Jordan!!!
Jordan "HERE'S AN EXAMPLE" Peterson
"Did you just assume my chromosomes?"
What I like:
The logic in what Jordan Peterson is saying. He is truly brilliant and without counterparts.
What I don not like:
People using Jordan Peterson as an excuse to justify their sexism/racism.
👏🏻 great point.
I must say, he gives them plenty of ammunition.
@@judithpetree6329 Ive been trying to listen to some of his rhetoric because I do see the value in his self-improvement motivational speech, but at the same time it is very man-centric and often puts down women to prop up the self-improvement of men. Defining women as intrinsically maternal and depressed is entirely subjective and fails to consider the social factors that often push women into those roles. Like did Peterson ever think that the reason women are more depressed is because they are often subjugated around the world or forced to ascribe to the nuclear family? Has he never heard of arranged marriages, sex-trafficking, or fucking foot-binding?
Also failing to consider variance in women. Non-traditional women arent always a bad thing. Even if women were generally predisposed to do something doesnt mean they should do it or that there arent outliers and that there are even men that stray from masculine roles. Like I am more ambitious than my male significant other and he is so much better at keeping up with my darling niece than I am. Whereas I get exhausted from keeping up with her so easily. Is him being better at child-rearing automatically bad because he is a male? I dont personally think so. I love it. I wouldnt mind if I were the primary breadwinner and he can be the stay at home dad if that works for us and he and I both prefer it that way. For someone who supposedly encourages western ideals like individualism - he sure does a lot of pigeonholing of the sexes.
Equality of opportunity is the point! I just want the ability to choose my path and not be judged or paid based on my gender but on the quality of my work. I want caregiver jobs to be paid better too, because there is as much value and importance in that work as there is in producing software.
importance yes, value not. I generally believe that we should decrease amount paid to actors, singers and other parasites like sports people, but it is all market driven so unluckily caring for elderly people is not as specialized as coding unless u are a doctor and then at this point u usually get paid more than typical software enginner, at least in most of the countries.
It is incorrect to say "caring for old people is not as specialized as coding". It is, it's just that we don't value the outcome of a well cared for old person to specialize in it properly and therefore pay for it properly.
I love the XX / XY distinction for athletic competition idea! Problem solved!
The only problem with this is that when you take hormones, as many transgender people do, it actually changes your muscle mass, so you ARE on a more even playing field than if you weren’t. So instead of XX or XY, it might be XX+hormones can compete against XY.
@@vbvermont it might happen on the extreme of the distribution but not on average so it wouldn't work as general rule but is totally possible
@@vbvermont Yeah taking steroids shouldn't be allowed you know.
Yh, until some people start to "feel like" they were born with the wrong chromosomes and we're back to square minus one
Can't change that 🤷
I love this interview. Two intellectual people having a convo without interrupting each other. Beautiful. :)
This guy is AMAZING! HAVE HIM ON AGAIN! I can’t recall a guest I felt was so impactful on my thought
You should watch him on Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro’s podcasts. And he has his own!!
I can 100 percent confirm that people who don't have an interest in learning and broadening their minds with education often pick on those who are either naturally clever or who are interested in learning (regardless of ability) . This is why it enrages me when hipsters and fashionistas wear T-Shirts that say "geek" or "nerd" , because some of us get those terms used as terms of ridicule because we take interest in learning, yet hear are the every day people (often the bullies years later) who are wearing insults as a fashion statement without having 'earned' the right to wear it by either being interested in learning or being bullied for it.
It just hit me. Jordan Peterson sounds like a sane Rick.
True that
A wise one
God we've hit bedrock on edgy comments
@@michadewandeler4028 😭
LOL
i love jordan peterson he tought me how to be a man
Good thing you aren't listening to the feminists trying telling you how to act like a "man" 😂
If you listen to the feminists, you probably become an incel.
@@alex1311t, as a woman approaching 80 yr. of age who has been a feminist for as long as I can remember, I can assure you that the focus of our energies and topic of conversation is women, not men. Don't flatter yourself, the only time men are even mentioned at all is when we are trying to figure out ways to keep men out of our spaces and their laws off our bodies.
Equality of outcome was along the same lines as affirmative action quotas. It basically stated that a given employer should have the same percentage of each race or gender in regard to those groups percentage of the population. For instance, if you had a population that was 25% Latino your workforce would have to be 25% Latino and half of those would have to be women.
We talked about this (affirmative action) in a college class I had years ago. One guy was totally for it. I asked if a company should disregard a perspective employee's past successes and projected future potential in favor of hiring someone who was a minority and didn't have the same demonstrated abilities? He said "yes", and then I asked would you only do this in the public sector or the private sector as well? He said both. I said, OK, let's start with the NBA and the NFL..... You could have heard a pin drop. The guy then said, "well, that's different" to which our professor, a black female said, "no, it's not". Much to her credit. She said ability in a given field is ability in a given field, be it accounting, or basketball.
I'm all for equality of opportunity, but when people push for equality of outcome they generally don't consider all the aspects/ramifications of it. Oh, and no one gets any special treatment or set-asides with that. Not a Fortune 500 company or the NBA.
No it isn't. Men seek out higher paying jobs, they work longer hours, they work in MUCH more dangerous jobs than women. Women often choose to stay home after having children, much more likely to work part time vs full time, and they aren't interested in the jobs that pay the best. It's not the fault of men when a woman wants to go be a low paying social worker.
@@mar504 I agree with what you posted, but I'm trying to determine what exactly you seem to have a problem with in my post. What specifically is your "No it isn't" directed toward? I didn't address many of the things you talked about. Watch the video and then read my post again. I'm talking about a lot of the social theories that are being put forth. I didn't say I agreed with them.
equality of outcome is when womens restroom and mens restrooms have the same amount of toilets. Equality of opportunity is knowing that women have to use the bathroom more frequently than men(due to biological difference), and therefore should have more toilets to accompany the need of women to empty their bladder as fast as men can(without having to wait in a long queue)
Actually it's the vice versa
Loved this dude in the walking dead
Dominic Banuelos he refers to the show as “The mobile, semi-human morally paradoxical matriarchal dominance hierarchy equality of outcome Dead.”
@Dominic Banuelos....awesome....this comment needs more love.
Whos in the walking dead that looks like jordan peterson? I stopped watching in season 5
@@TheNatureVideos Rick 😂
Slaven Perunski lmao 😂
The people who think something is wrong with humanity, often tend to do the most damage to humanity.
Jordan "Well, what the hell does that mean?" Peterson...
Thanks for what you do for the good of humanity, sir.
This is so true. I study engineering at university and all the girls I've seen are very socially gifted. I'm yet to see any awkward female nerds. But the men who are getting really good marks are very socially awkward.
Joe Rogan constantly sidetracks his guests and derails them from what they were trying to say. Peterson was trying to say that equality of opportunity is good and achievable. But equality of outcome is bad and corrupt.
hey Thomas.. love what u wrote.. can u give me an example of an outcome? o need to be abld to put in into more words..
it's the weed
@@igormushich6737 how about you research it yourself lazy roscov
Peterson is for equality of outcome of pussy
I personally think that equality of outcome can be good but its how you achieve it. We can possibly achieve this idea by helping a group people who are lacking in a certain type of occupation by educating them better. But we shouldn't give them free jobs without the skillset to earn them. Educating groups who are not educated enough to even create an equal outcome is not bad imo.
Just an idea I'm not to hard on defending it
The word "Gender" is derived from the Latin root meaning "to beget; to procreate; to generate; to create; to produce."
That's how you know people did or did not do their homework, most English speakers probably do not know how language started or from where it originated, that knowledge is lost or rare.
@@analienfromouterspace People often don`t know the definition of definitions
Btw English is not my first language.
@@studio9131 your most welcome, here are som more wisdom on the subject:
The Principle of Gender:
"Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles; Gender manifests on all planes."
This Principle embodies the truth that there is GENDER manifested in everything--the Masculine and Feminine Principles ever at work.
This is true not only of the Physical Plane, but of the Mental and even the Spiritual Planes.
On the Physical Plane, the Principle manifests as SEX, on the higher planes it takes higher forms, but the Principle is ever the same.
No creation, physical, mental or spiritual, is possible without this Principle.
An understanding of its laws will throw light on many a subject that has perplexed the minds of men.
The Principle of Gender works ever in the direction of generation, regeneration, and creation.
Everything, and every person, contains the two Elements or Principles, or this great Principle, within it, him or her.
Every Male thing has the Female Element also; every Female contains also the Male Principle.
If you would understand the philosophy of Mental and Spiritual Creation, Generation, and Re-generation, you must understand and study this Hermetic Principle.
It contains the solution of many mysteries of Life.
We caution you that this Principle has no reference to the many base, pernicious and degrading lustful theories, teachings and practices, which are taught under fanciful titles, and which are a prostitution of the great natural principle of Gender.
Such base revivals of the ancient infamous forms of Phallicism tend to ruin mind, body and soul, and the Hermetic Philosophy has ever sounded the warning note against these degraded teachings which tend toward lust, licentiousness, and perversion of Nature's principles.
If you seek such teachings, you must go elsewhere for them --Hermeticism contains nothing for you along these lines.
To the pure, all things are pure; to the base, all things are base.
--The Kybalion.
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In modern English it has almost exclusively meant assigned categories, like the gender of words; until fairly recently, biological sex was referred to simply as...sex. We started using 'gender' to refer to sex because it was confusing and slightly embarrassing to have the word 'sex' mean so many different things in different contexts. So technically, I'm afraid to say, the SJWs are closer to the correct meaning of gender. Remember, meanings in language derive from use, not from roots. Most of the roots of words mean something drastically different to their eventual meaning.
Enforced model of equality. That would be inequality.
"There's nothing stupider than a smart person who went wrong." F**king brilliant Jordan!
That was a veritable firework of interesting information and contexts. It is very demanding for a non-native English speaker to follow Peterson. Fortunately, I studied statistics for two semesters. So I can understand what he said. It's well worth the effort. The man is simply brilliant.
2:36 - 2:43, Do you guys even realize the magnitude of this statement? We are seriously deceived by the idea that independent women cant be married mothers. The idea of having a career and not having so called 'restraints' of children or a spouse has become so much more appealing to so many. Morals and values are decaying significantly and relationships are becoming harder to build. The family has lost its value therefore morals and values will continue to decay. Religious or not, family is the most important social unit and foundation there is to society.
Well said Kevin. My wife's family all live in Sichuan province in China, me their family is very tight. I'm kind of envious of this, and wish I could grow up the way she did. I think the average American doesn't know what they're missing out on. The world would be a much better place with less divorce and single parent households.
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@IRAKnROLL Hmnm i think you need to listen to what hes saying again. You lost the point.
@IRAKnROLL it's more the culture that's being appropriated and normalized that's ruined things such as that. No one thinks we should take away woman's rights lmao. The biggest issue is no one truly knows what tf they're doing. This society we created is relatively new still. The Internet is incredibly new. No one knows what the long term effects of this will be nor what the absolute answer is for this. Were all accustomed to a society that is extremely new and no one knows how to properly structure it
@IRAKnROLL I was just explaining how no one wants to take away women's rights lol that isn't what the implication is. I then said that these issues are forming because of culture and society. I couldn't fix it because like I said, we don't know yet. It is a new world we live in, we have nothing to compare it to and were.all making it up as we,go along realistically
When I was in college, there was a woman that was in the same calculus class as me. She was heads and shoulders above everyone else, absolutely brilliant. She also happened to be super hot. Anyways, the professor asked her to stay after class when she was the only person able to solve an extra credit problem, and was told how amazingly brilliant she was and that she should seriously consider majoring in math or computer science. She turned him down, saying she simply wasn't interested in pursuing that career.
Listening to jordan peterson describe how men who are good at math are only good at math, while women have a broader range of intelligence reminded me of that. She had the opportunity to pursue STEM and chose not to because she had that choice.
What field did she end up pursuing?
I don't think either sex genetically has a broader this or more aptitude for that. There are quite natural and very common differences between men and women, yes: As discussed by our very own Joe Rogan himself time and time again, men are on average just much more physically strong than women. At the same time, women obviously are better at communication. Both of this can be exlained due to their natural role in a relationship. One gets the food, the other organizes the community, cave, household, whatever it may be, so they can raise children and have their elders live in safety there. It's a simple model and it served humanity in coming ways since its invention.
But when it comes to intellectual strides, I think men and women are very alike, with the core difference of men usually having just one mentor in their life, while women who are interested in pursuing intellectuality, will rather have dozens of influences to choose from. Most of these influences will be male and sexually interested. I'm the intellectual type of who talks to women a lot and I've come to this conclusion just recently, while I've noticed hints of it decades ago. Women truly do have a broader view on things most of the time, but I'd attribute that to their natural advantage over men in likability. I find it absolutely funny, how antiintellectual "feminists" complain about "mansplaining", while the very fact that men have tried explaining things to women since the dawn of time is their biggest advantage in these times. Men usually have to fight or be excellent to receive free tutoring. Women get it so much, they're annoyed by it. Like said, it's funny but also tragic at the same time.
For a second I thought they were gonna start having sex since you also mention she was hot which has nothing to do with your point.
34cvc I don't know. I just know she didn't pursue math or computer science. It is entirely possible she became a physicist lol
“There’s nothing stupider than a smart person who went wrong.”
- JP, on modern university students.
7:15 "There's nothing stupider than a smart person who went wrong."
love the irony here.
"There's nothing stupider than a smart person gone wrong."
Because they can rationalize anything, even to themselves
That's also the problem with a meritocratic oligarchy. These "intellectual" types can follow their own rabbit through a hole they dug and not realize it until it's too late. I think one of the best examples of this is that Jordan was once a socialist. Thomas Sowell was a self-proclaimed marxist, even after studying under Milton Freidman, along with 2 other people in the same league at Milton
Come on man don't bash on me even more :')
I can’t believe Joe let this guy talk as long as he did and Wow is Jordan a humble, intelligent, and extremely interesting man. Thanks Joe!
It’s always “fun” to listen to men make statements about women that do not reflect the reality of most women. I’m a female software engineer, but from my earliest memories I was steeped in gender stereotypes. Walk through a toy store. Watch a movie. Even most kid’s cartoons are STILL stereotyped characters. Even if our parents and every teacher we have were miraculously free of all implicit gender bias, we are STILL living within a culture that is staggeringly unbalanced. Most girls and young women get conscious and unconscious messages 1000x day about what women are most valued for. To suggest that women in cultures that value equality are choosing *based purely on interest* is absurd.
Just because I discovered I *could* do something in no way means I’m not culturally programmed to not *want* to.
Having said this, there are of course differences in what individuals find interesting, but it’s virtually impossible to know what’s there when every moment of our life we’re still hit with culture signals that women are sex objects, mothers, caretakers.
I’m glad I took typing class as a young girl, because it proved useful when writing code. But I was there because in that time, ALL girls were being prepared for work as a secretary. We had to take Home Ec classes while the boys got to do the cool shop classes. At least I didn’t have to attend “charm school”, a requirement for all girls when my older sister was in school.
I started out with a degree in education because I thought that was a good role for a woman. Only much later did I accidentally stumble into programming, realize I could not only do it but loved it, and went back to school for computer science.
My big regret in life is that it never occurred to me until I was over 30 that this was a thing I would *like.* what we are “interested” is heavily colored by what we have come to accept.
And JP is doing his best to keep the culture focused on gender stereotypes, but claiming it’s “just science.” We don’t yet HAVE the science because we don’t have many “control groups” raised with no culture stereotypes.
One trip to my local corner gas station’s magazine rack is enough to remind me women are for looking at naked or buying makeup and clothing, while men are running companies.
JP’s recent Twitter was partly from his criticism of a thick model who did not fit the stereotype of a “sexy swimsuit model” (though, interesting, at other times and cultures, much heavier women WERE viewed as more desirable. Culture matters. We cannot escape cultural norms. Maybe what JP says is true… maybe we’re doomed by our evolution to live like this. Maybe I’m a freakish anomaly for enjoying making things with code.
Maybe it’s a character or personality flaw that draws me to something I’m not supposed to like.
Or maybe far more girls would have loved it from the start if not pounded by messages like the one in this video.
Men and women placed into a new world with none of the programming abt what men and women “should” be then that world would more or less end up the same as this one, men and woman are equal in value but just different at the end of the day and nothings going to change that, the only reason the west is obsessing over gender and sex is because western society is bored, going crazy and crumbling before our eyes
Couldn't have stated it better. Prejudice is very real, and most women experience it. It's not some agenda/ victim mentality being pushed by some part of the political spectrum as Jordan claims.