BORG Busters - Starfleet's Anti-Borg WAR Ships!

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  • Since the Birth of the Federation, or indeed Starfleet, the peaceful resolution had always been at the forefront of any potentially hostile situation. Never building ships dedicated for combat, but instead focusing on exploration and scientific discovery. But could Starfleet actually defend themselves if the need occurred? Well, as anyone who hasn’t been living under an intergalactic rock since 1965 will attest, YES, we can, and we have done, many times.
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    Title: BORG Busters - Starfleet's Anti-Borg WAR Ships!
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  • @matthewdavies2057
    @matthewdavies2057 2 роки тому +201

    I want to see a Defiant refit armed with Janeway's anti-Borg weapons from the future.

    • @mowvu5380
      @mowvu5380 Рік тому +17

      we all do Matthew, we all do

    • @staffan144
      @staffan144 Рік тому +5

      What ever became of / what happened to / where are Janeway's anti-Borg weapons?
      (Or did they disappear / never manifest once she went back in time and destroyed the Borgs / and changed the future?)

    • @matthewdavies2057
      @matthewdavies2057 Рік тому +10

      @@staffan144 I read Starfleet ordered all Voyager Borg tech classified as to not violate the temporal prime directive.

    • @ciaranconlon84
      @ciaranconlon84 Рік тому +4

      I want it equipped with a spore drive. Imagine whole civilizations fighting for their lives against a handful of cubes, Defiant jumps in from nowhere, obliterates them with transphasic torpedoes and leaves again without a word.
      I don't know if canon covers this, but after the end of Voyager, if there are any Borg remaining then surely the federation would be their main target both for the technology and because of the threat they represent. It would seem to be an urgent matter to destroy as much of the remaining collective as possible before they can regroup and send everything they've got straight into sector 001.

    • @gups4963
      @gups4963 Рік тому +4

      @@matthewdavies2057 Section 31 is like "lol, sure guys"

  • @ricogoldstar
    @ricogoldstar 2 роки тому +564

    If Q had not introduced Starfleet to the Borg way before, Earth would have been assimilated by now. Also, the encounter caused Starfleet to create true war ships that came in quite handy when fighting the Dominion. Q knew what he was doing.

    • @BILLEON2005
      @BILLEON2005 2 роки тому +19

      “Hypothetical speculation”

    • @shaunkelly9053
      @shaunkelly9053 2 роки тому +87

      Q generally does know what he’s doing because he’s seen all the variations of the multiverse. Of course it turns out the borg queen just wanted a friend and some therapy. 😒

    • @ricogoldstar
      @ricogoldstar 2 роки тому +11

      @@shaunkelly9053 😆😅 Facts !

    • @ricogoldstar
      @ricogoldstar 2 роки тому +20

      @@BILLEON2005 You must be that one Vulcan on the SCIENCE Directorate that said "Time travel is *impossible* ".

    • @BILLEON2005
      @BILLEON2005 2 роки тому +9

      @@ricogoldstar
      I would actually be a Klingon near Uranus!!

  • @jameslynch2399
    @jameslynch2399 Рік тому +26

    The Enterprise E needs more screentime. It was a fantastic design. 3 movies wasn't nearly enough, and having its successor already being decommissioned in season 3 of Picard is a crime.
    Also the Akira-class is a great design. Would love to see more. It's basically a flying aircraft carrier, so it could be the focus of a very different type of story than what we usually see in Trek.
    And of course the Defiant, because that would mean we're getting more DS9 content (though hopefully not like the season 8 that was outlined in What We Left Behind because as much as I respect those guys and the work they did on DS9, their ideas for season 8 didn't appeal to me much at all).

    • @deathgnomes
      @deathgnomes 3 місяці тому +1

      I agree, I was sooooo excited to see the Odyssey on screen only to get knee'd in the gut as it almost immediately gets decommissioned and replaced by a ship a third it's size.

  • @cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547
    @cascadesouthernmodeltrains7547 2 роки тому +51

    The Akira class is my favorite of all Star Trek ships. I wouldn’t mind seeing that class on screen more.

    • @darrenkeady6570
      @darrenkeady6570 2 роки тому +2

      She is a beauty of a ship.

    • @ihl8608
      @ihl8608 2 роки тому +2

      the akira and the sovereign (Enterprise E) are my favorite.

    • @jasongould04
      @jasongould04 2 роки тому

      USS Avalon

    • @matthewjay660
      @matthewjay660 2 роки тому +2

      U.S.S. Thunder Child. Follow me; we go in harm's way. Allons-y! 👉🏻

    • @spiderboy43
      @spiderboy43 Рік тому

      Likewise, really wish the Akira was a hero ship in a future Star Trek show.

  • @JCAH1
    @JCAH1 2 роки тому +198

    It's funny how the inpenetrable Tachyon shields, the Quantum Slipstream Drive and the Transphasic torpedoes employed by Voyager, are never mentioned by Star Trek after Voyager made it back to Earth. Each of those technologies completely and immediately obsoleted existing technology in the entire Alpha quadrant, even including Warp Drive. Voyager brought many hyper-advanced technologies to Star Fleet (only three are listed here), yet all of them are completely ignored in all Star Trek episodes, spin offs and movies that take place after Voyager returned to Earth.

    • @BILLEON2005
      @BILLEON2005 2 роки тому

      A Super Duper EMP??

    • @Dr.Westside
      @Dr.Westside 2 роки тому +23

      They all violated the temporal prime directive . That is why Starfleet would not use most of the Voyager technologies . In Picard it shows that they certainly did use the stuff that didn't violate the temporal prime directive .

    • @JCAH1
      @JCAH1 2 роки тому +59

      @@Dr.Westside I am not buying it. Starfleet would throw any and all morals and rules out the window in a heart beat, when it came to protecting the Alpha Quadrant against the Borg.

    • @dawgman6654
      @dawgman6654 2 роки тому +12

      @@JCAH1 I'm sure someone would try. But I guarantee that there were some time cop shenanigans going on that put a stop to many of the techs' usage.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому

      @@dawgman6654 And those time cops would be ensuring their own existence was re-conned out. Can't have a 29th century Federation to enforce the Temporal Accords if the Federation gets wiped out before the 29th century. If for that reason alone, they would allow certain technologies to be employed as a "Hail Mary" to preserve the timeline.

  • @woogha
    @woogha 2 роки тому +52

    I love the Defiant. But give me a show about the Thunderchild. Make it a rescue of the week series. Give it the tone of Baywatch.

    • @darrenkeady6570
      @darrenkeady6570 2 роки тому +1

      Epic.

    • @Manco65
      @Manco65 2 роки тому

      So they'll be scantily clad space vixens and plenty of boobies? Count me in!

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      One day running medical supplies, another doing "Heavy Rescue: 401"? I could dig it.

    • @nikkinyteshade11
      @nikkinyteshade11 2 роки тому +2

      You mean .. like … with lots of “bouncy” slow motion action and plenty of hair tossing?
      (Snicker snort)!

    • @woogha
      @woogha 2 роки тому

      @@nikkinyteshade11 only if Morn is in every slomo shot.

  • @MasterCleife
    @MasterCleife 2 роки тому +16

    When the defiant engaged the lakota. It was implied that starfleet didn't even know about the ablative armour modifications. Good old Chief O'Brien

  • @newworld9133
    @newworld9133 2 роки тому +67

    Sabers, Norways and Steamrunners are all awesome. They all deserve screen time. I would love a 2 or 3 season series focused on a few of these ships and thier crew during the domi ion war.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      I really wish they had rebuilt the Norway Model and had her grace the screen in Voyager's episodes set in the Alpha Quadrant.

    • @blaablup222
      @blaablup222 Рік тому

      Ds9 did... their not that powerfull for shure. They just are more war equiped than prior ships, nothing more. And their faster than most fed ships at that time (aka Miranda's Excelsiors and Constitutions (and that extreme rare ship, even in STO, the ambassador)

  • @jamesrozell6467
    @jamesrozell6467 2 роки тому +34

    Genesis torpedoes would be the ultimate anti Borg weapons.

    • @tedwojtasik8781
      @tedwojtasik8781 2 роки тому +6

      Don't know about that. What if one of those baby's turns em into a whole bunch of bro's? You know, Jersey Shore type Guido's. That would be worse than a Lovecraftian invasion from the 11th dimension of lamentations.

    • @Barnhizer
      @Barnhizer 2 роки тому +4

      Genesis allowed is not! Genesis is weapon forbidden!

    • @polarfroge
      @polarfroge 2 роки тому +2

      @@tedwojtasik8781 You paint a vivid & terrifying picture.

    • @zcustomcarnesi
      @zcustomcarnesi 2 роки тому +1

      @@Barnhizer and so is the cloaking device

    • @JFrazer4303
      @JFrazer4303 Рік тому

      The Genesis technology (70 years before TNG) is the ultimate. Both a weapon and planet builder. It eliminates any incentive for war which based on taking habitable planets.
      In a space setting, resources of any kind are not scarce. The only exceptions are for story devices, and they're always eliminated at the end of that story arc. The only scarcity would be creative work.

  • @MultiRanman
    @MultiRanman 2 роки тому +169

    It’s the Defiant, it’s always the Defiant. It’s the only Starfleet ship that was built for ONE purpose: kill anything that moves. It’s a warship. It knows it’s a warship. It’s beautiful in that regard. It is one of the best ship in sci-fi.

  • @MidnightSt
    @MidnightSt 2 роки тому +30

    when you said "let's start with the best one", I shouted "Akiraaaaaa!"
    because it is. Seriously. Anyone who piloted Akira in that Bridge Commander mod which added basically all the ships that ever appeared in all of star trek knows first-hand that it's the best. It doesn't have torpedo launchers. It's got torpedo machineguns.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +2

      There is a reason why it is so popular in Star Trek: Online.

  • @FernandoTRA
    @FernandoTRA Рік тому +2

    I really appreciate how clearly you enunciate. Much easier to understand. Thanks

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... 2 роки тому +65

    Reminds me of the old game "Birth of the Federation"
    Once you unlocked the tech for building Defiant class "heavy escort", it was pretty much game over for everyone else, including any Borg cubes that might show up.

    • @jimbeam4736
      @jimbeam4736 2 роки тому

      I played a great mod of this game today. It still is a gem.

    • @Emanon...
      @Emanon... 2 роки тому +2

      @@jimbeam4736 Yeah, it's still a great game. Especially with the mods.
      The stellaris ST mod is pretty great too!

    • @jasonwestwood7092
      @jasonwestwood7092 2 роки тому

      the Defiant had six torpedo launchers 4 forward and 2 aft they were the type 2 MK75 each could fire upto 8 torpedoes at ounce followed by a 5 second reload time.

    • @ArturiusMaxwell
      @ArturiusMaxwell 2 роки тому +5

      @@jimbeam4736 Wait.. you can play BotF now?

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      @@jimbeam4736 Please, share your link to that mod. Many of us want to try our hand at that game.

  • @MikeSmith-vz5us
    @MikeSmith-vz5us 2 роки тому +19

    Whoever designed the Sabre class must have been a fan of the N64. It looks just like the controller!

    • @Ghalion666
      @Ghalion666 Рік тому

      It was the other way around. Then they realized the ship needed more than 1 crew and the controller was an unwieldly beast.

    • @chefdean7257
      @chefdean7257 6 місяців тому

      I only helm the Sabre with an N64 controller.
      Nerd Law.

  • @SuperZekethefreak
    @SuperZekethefreak Рік тому +10

    Apparently, the Defiant was one of the few Federation ships to be engineered so that the antimatter reaction in the nacelles doesn't kill everyone with lethal radiation that has been a regular part of the entire cannon. If the Federation can fix that issue, they can make all sorts of cool looking ships.

    • @megadk93
      @megadk93 9 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I also consider this an unnecessary explanation for Starfleet ship design. They just could say, "Starfleet designs its ship with distinct nacelles because it's their brand mark/follws tradition of the first earth ships". That's a fine explanation, good enough for me.

    • @caiusmadison2996
      @caiusmadison2996 7 місяців тому

      They do explain how that works, it's shielded completely from the nacelles in cannon. That entire section is walled off from other sections, and no living quarters or hang zones like a Ten Forward or something, are behind engineering, only the storage and docking are located there... so what are you on about? The basic plating of any starship in Star Trek, can withstand the radiation from their own engineering department, sans the very first Enterprise. Every iteration seen from OST on, had it figured completely out, as well as the secondary being the teleporter literally cleanses all excess radiation from the body every single use, working as a DNA scrubber of sorts. Read up on how many things alone are defeated simply by using the teleporter in Star Trek lore. There mentions of most bacteria and viruses ever encountered, being scrubbed entirely from anyone who utilizes the device as their cells are transferring from ground to teleporter zone. This includes overages of radiation in Next Generation onward, as OST still had to deal with the social issues of nuclear mismanagement, a rampant problem at the time of that series airing on television for its first run.

  • @eddieschwab864
    @eddieschwab864 2 роки тому +3

    You're forgetting the main joke behind the Defiant, Sisko's pimp hand, when he decides he wants to be like his great-great-great-great-grandfather Hawk...

  • @troytaylor1985
    @troytaylor1985 2 роки тому +24

    The Star Trek novel "Imzadi" By Peter David has a more devastating weapon that the Borg will fear called "The Doomsday Machine". One of the Original Trek episodes of the second season tells of their encounter with the Doomsday Machine, which as mentioned in the novel the machine was actually designed by a race from the outer edge of our galaxy to destroy the Borg. The encounter with the Enterprise was just a small model of the quite larger version to come, but both were designed to hunt down and kill the Borg. If you haven't read the novel please do.

    • @cimmerian100
      @cimmerian100 2 роки тому +1

      Could be a holiday read for me thanks! I've read some of Peter David's other Trek novels and they are excellent - very entertaining reads.

    • @mackgiver875
      @mackgiver875 Рік тому +5

      I thought that was Vendetta with the Doomsday Machines.

    • @Blackwind_Legacy
      @Blackwind_Legacy Рік тому +2

      That was Vendetta, not Imzadi.

    • @Blackwind_Legacy
      @Blackwind_Legacy Рік тому +1

      @@mackgiver875 You're right, OP is incorrect.

  • @Grimmance
    @Grimmance 2 роки тому +7

    Came for the anti Borg ships, subbed for the defiant love.

  • @Bdady74
    @Bdady74 Рік тому +1

    "Miles Edward O'Brien"...that statement earned the Sub!

  • @RokkitGrrl
    @RokkitGrrl 2 роки тому +4

    My idea of the perfect warship would have zero windows. Transparent aluminum be damned, I don't want a single porthole in my warship looking out into space. Holographic technology eliminates the need for structural weaknesses like that. Every time I see big picture windows in spaceships meant for war, I think of this Canadian lawyer who used to punk new blood at the law firm at which he worked.
    He would initiate newbies by hurling himself at one of the big picture windows at office parties. Naturally it would cause fear because they were working in a high-rise office building, and the street was many stories below. Sure enough, the security windows never broke and he would normally bounce off while the window was no worse for wear. But what he never considered is that while the plate glass window was impervious to his shenanigans, the frame that held the window was not.
    The last time he hurled himself at the window, the entire frame broke out, sending him and that unbroken window hurtling to his death. I think about this every time I see warships in space with windows.

    • @JFrazer4303
      @JFrazer4303 Рік тому

      Not a weather-proof building code, there.
      I once was tasked to remove a big window on floor level on a mall that was being taken down. I threw a sledge hammer at it, and it made a hole and a star of cracks, and bounced back.

  • @larryiscreating
    @larryiscreating 2 роки тому +6

    Man, those digital remasters look WONDERFUL! 👀

    • @TheRVSN
      @TheRVSN 2 роки тому

      As well as nipples emphasized at 0:43.

  • @williammay5300
    @williammay5300 2 роки тому +23

    If the USS Defiant is a tough little ship... That would make the USS ENTERPRISE NCC 1701 E bad to the bone in toughest of all ships!!!

  • @thomashill6347
    @thomashill6347 2 роки тому +1

    I like them all when I play ARMADA II THANKS for sharing this interesting piece of Star Trek

  • @shawnwilt7196
    @shawnwilt7196 Рік тому +4

    So happy to hear you describe the Defiant's fire power as Dakka!!!

  • @HighMojo
    @HighMojo 2 роки тому +21

    Of course the Federation can fend off the Borg, otherwise the Borg wouldn't have bothered with the Federation as a target for assimilation in the first place.
    Even if the Federation cannot at the time of the battle, it has the potential to defeat the Borg, or at the very least pose a very signification threat.
    As proof of that, why would the Borg sphere bother to travel back in time before Earth had warp technology.

    • @marczhu7473
      @marczhu7473 Рік тому

      They should had send a cube in the past or the sphere loaded with futur borg capital ship to themselves.

  • @Stratoliner
    @Stratoliner 8 місяців тому +2

    We never got enough screen time of both the Defiant and Enterprise E. Both great ships and IMO the "peak" of modern Star Fleet design language.

  • @jameshunt1444
    @jameshunt1444 Рік тому +1

    Great job on this video - definitely more enjoyable (less dry) when the narrator is having fun.

  • @michaeleaton222
    @michaeleaton222 2 роки тому +9

    Thanks for this! It was more enjoyable than almost any episode of New Trek :)

  • @RelativelyBest
    @RelativelyBest Рік тому +2

    I admit, I never expected to hear the phrase "ridiculous amount of dakka" in a Star Trek video.

  • @BrknRidr10317
    @BrknRidr10317 Рік тому +1

    "Star Trek's version of Check Norris" - The most accurate statement that could have been made, totally true and had me lol'ing. Love it!

  • @525Lines
    @525Lines 2 роки тому +8

    The borg cube is the laziest kitbash ever.

  • @kineuhansen8629
    @kineuhansen8629 2 роки тому +19

    always had this idea of having my own fantasy fleet in the federation my fleet command ship is the odyssey class dreadnought then my battle command ship was prometheus then flanked by 3 akira and 1 defiant

    • @minimesleftknee2090
      @minimesleftknee2090 2 роки тому +1

      No sovereign?

    • @kineuhansen8629
      @kineuhansen8629 2 роки тому +2

      @@minimesleftknee2090 maybe as a back up command ship

    • @neganrex5693
      @neganrex5693 2 роки тому +3

      @@kineuhansen8629 You need two Sovran class ships to fly one on each side of your Odyssey class so you will look really important coming into space dock.

  • @klangerklanger8011
    @klangerklanger8011 2 роки тому +2

    Loved the Chuck reference LOL

  • @IgoByaGo
    @IgoByaGo Рік тому +1

    Subscribed solely for the line "This ridiculous amount of Dakka." WAAAAAAAAAGH!

  • @gerdesilets
    @gerdesilets 2 роки тому +4

    the nebula class with the weapon/torpedoes pod seem useful too

  • @ajrtorres
    @ajrtorres 2 роки тому +4

    Akira and Norway class are my favorite, wish to one day see an actual Norway version in STO

  • @brentbarr498
    @brentbarr498 Рік тому +1

    One more has been added to the fold as a follower... Thank you for making these!! :)

  • @badgerwildgaming6908
    @badgerwildgaming6908 2 роки тому +2

    The defiant is the next stage of, "any faster and it will fly!"
    Now it's, "any faster and she'll fly apart!"

  • @augustjsb
    @augustjsb 2 роки тому +19

    I don't know if it's classified as a ship or a station and it's entirely possible that you've already done it, but I think it'd be interesting if you did one on the 32nd century Federation/star fleet headquarters.

  • @bobbywilliams9387
    @bobbywilliams9387 2 роки тому +5

    loved the sovereign class enterprise. wanted to see more of it

  • @ravenmoon5111
    @ravenmoon5111 2 роки тому +2

    The Defiant.
    When Star Fleet wanted an A-10
    Defiant go brrrrrr

  • @leszekwolkowski9856
    @leszekwolkowski9856 10 місяців тому +1

    I am writing my doctorial thesis specifically on this topic. Fascinating and a much misunderstood subject, live long and prosper!

  • @ZinXlX
    @ZinXlX Рік тому +3

    I would like to see more Steamrunner combat. Just seeing volleys of torpedoes is just really good to see.

  • @stratguy1875
    @stratguy1875 2 роки тому +3

    I love the Saber class. The idea to make it modular so it could function in many different rolls is great! It’s sleek looking, but still has balance to it’s weight with the tubby secondary hull. Kind of cuts through space with it’s saucer section. I’ve kind of always imagined it to fly in wolf packs during the Dominion War, each ship with different module setups as to be effective against different enemies.

    • @chefdean7257
      @chefdean7257 6 місяців тому

      Imagine a mixed wing armada, divided into four flights; Four Sabre refits & three Steamrunner refits.

  • @alessandrocava4701
    @alessandrocava4701 Рік тому +1

    I can't wait till they make a ship which is just like 5 defiants welded together.

  • @A7XBradyMCS
    @A7XBradyMCS Рік тому

    I laughed at the chuck Norris reference. Didn't expect that. Love it.

  • @whydoineedaname11
    @whydoineedaname11 2 роки тому +32

    I have often wondered why so many Star Trek shows and movies seem to be centered on the support ship Enterprise, and not on the flagship Defiant.

    • @rianmacdonald9454
      @rianmacdonald9454 2 роки тому +4

      I loved the defiant, by far my favourite ship in all of star trek.
      edit: If it were up to me, I would have a fleet of Defiant class ships. Just awesome, from the look and design, to the in universe tech and ability of the ship. But mainly love the look of the ship, it looks like a war ship, as iconic as the enterprise looks, you don't come across it and go ''oh F, we are in trouble'' - the defiant looks menacing. Like the Douglas class ships from Star gate, purpose design, straight to the point, no extra fuss, all business of SEEK AND DESTROY.
      That is the only thing missing from the defiant, is fighter bays, but star trek doesn't use single craft fighters, so a fleet of defiant and Douglas class ships. perfect.

    • @warblerblue
      @warblerblue 2 роки тому +1

      It defies expectations...

    • @porcorosso4330
      @porcorosso4330 2 роки тому

      Star fleets main mission is not war...
      That is why you see long term mission ships with science, research, diplomatic capabilities go into battle..

    • @whydoineedaname11
      @whydoineedaname11 2 роки тому

      @@porcorosso4330 And here I thought Star Fleets mission was to assimilate civilizations into the collective so that they could achieve perfection...

    • @Delramian
      @Delramian 2 роки тому

      the Defiant is not a flagship it is an attackship. To smal for that role. It is the strongest ship for its sice for shure but never a flaggship.

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker 2 роки тому +3

    Sovereign and Akira will always be my favorite canon ships in all of Star Trek. Defiant is definitely up there too. Saber is kinda like Starfleet's answer to the Klingon bird-of-prey concept, and I actually really like the design. Steamrunner and Norway have always felt like odd designs to me, but I do still like them well enough.

    • @aaronmurphy9353
      @aaronmurphy9353 2 роки тому +1

      If you ever have a chance to play the old PC game Star Trek Armada, the Steamrunner has a massive long range weapon that when you have a full hotkey of them a single shot from all 8 ships will kill any other ship including a Cube. (It's one of my favorite games and one of my favorite ships to use to break an opponent's base defenses.)

  • @1daysgrace
    @1daysgrace 3 місяці тому

    I usually don't laugh at your jokes, but had to giggle when you mentioned the door stopper xD

  • @scottlowell493
    @scottlowell493 Рік тому

    Crew of the Defiant pushes buttons for a few minutes.
    Worf: "You fought like warriors!"

  • @allnamesaretakenful
    @allnamesaretakenful 2 роки тому +4

    The Defiant is the coolest Federation Ship.

  • @thallus23
    @thallus23 2 роки тому +8

    I love the Akira! I would like to see more of the Norway class though.

  • @MasterCommandCEO
    @MasterCommandCEO Рік тому +1

    Defiant, we need more of it! This was such a good and informative video.

  • @benrunsacross2935
    @benrunsacross2935 Рік тому +2

    It has always struck me how Star Trek and other properties have such tiny numbers when they access to vast resources. You would expect millions of ships not dozens.

    • @megadk93
      @megadk93 7 місяців тому +1

      Starfleet used to run thousands, if not ten thousand of ships simultaneously even before the threat of Borg and Dominion was known. Just look at the serial numbers, when the Voyager was launched, Starfleet had build 74.000 ships in little more than 200 years, and as some serial numers are used multiply, it could even amount up to 80.000. This roughly 350 ships per year, with less ships at the beginning. Kirks Enterprise was starfleet ship number 1701, 70 years after the founding of the Federation (but that doesn't mean Starfleet had only 1701 ships in these years. Maybe they used ships of the old planetary navies of the alliead races, so they didn't have to built a massive amount of ships in the first years). So I estimate that at the age of TNG, Starfleet is launching at least 700 new ships per year (!!!). That makes it obvious why the Federation was more than capable of defeating the dominion. They only had to change from an exploration fleet to a wartime fleet, which explains the setbacks in the early stages of the war. But numbers of ships were never a problem for the Federation, it was more about equipment and personell.

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 7 місяців тому

      Yeah a few things that bothered me is... NOT only are their numbers small. With their teleporting, and replicating tech alone they should be pumping out ships.
      Also as far as their larger ships go? They've got a RIDICULOUS amount of interior space that isn't used. Someone did the math on it, and helped you visualize it.
      Basically the ships are needlessly big, and super empty. Either they should increase the crew size or state why they are so big. (Could be machinery for all I care.)
      Also there is no way in hell the human race would not be building dedicated war ships. Even if it were truly just for defensive purposes. At least defending their sectors of space, and not going out to explore like the Galaxy class.
      It would not be logical to take the chance. Also it is against human nature.
      I don't care what anyone says. Warships are awesome. If I were the Emperor of Mankind I would be building them just to build them, and pray I would never need to use them. (I'd be making a battleship with six 42" guns, as that is the answer for everything.)

    • @benrunsacross2935
      @benrunsacross2935 7 місяців тому +1

      @@dianapennepacker6854 yeah as I’ve grown older I haven’t stopped enjoying Star Trek but I do see it as more fantastical and less SciFi. That’s ok within its own setting provided it stays consistent with it. New trek popped the ‘utopian’ bubble and that really makes all the other inconsistencies and contradictions stand out.

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 7 місяців тому

      @@benrunsacross2935 That is a good point on in universe.
      Are any of the new treks decent? I tried watching Picard. Couldn't get past the first episode honestly. There is what... Two ongoing now? A third coming out?
      I tried watching a random episode of Discovery. Didn't like the cast.
      Oh speaking of war. The soldiers with their rifle phasers or whatever were awesome. I want to see some Exoskeletons, and Terminators from 40k using teleporting tech to blink in and out behind Borg to kill them.
      Trek just needs exoskeletons period.
      Forgot what series those soldiers popped in.
      The USS Vengence was cool too... The design anyway. The name, and everything was NOT Trek at all. Vengeance is just a name for "This ship is for offensive purposes only. I'm the bad guy".
      Anyway the Defiant is my favorite Trek ship. Possibly top 3 favorite sci fi ships of all time. Sort of weird they didn't make more as they were so effective. Or why the Federation never used cloaking devices. (I think it was a treaty). Cloaking devices on a science ship would be a good idea for defensive purposes, and for not being seen by pre warp civilizations.

  • @StandingUpForBetter
    @StandingUpForBetter 2 роки тому +4

    What a great video. I too LOVE the Defiant. I can still remember when it first showed up at DS9. Those were some good times. Actually one of my goals for vacation is to re-watch all the episodes of all the legacy Star Trek episodes, in timeline order from Enterprise, TOS, TAS, TNG, Voyager to DS9. I can't stand the "new" Trek.

  • @biostemm
    @biostemm 2 роки тому +4

    The Sabre is one of my favorite designs! I could see it traveling in packs of 3-5, patrolling areas and annihilating anyone foolish enough to engage them. It'd be cool to see a command variant that would lead such packs...

    • @mathiasloff6106
      @mathiasloff6106 2 роки тому +1

      For me also. The Sabre is a wolf pack class and more versatile than the defaint. And it looks super cool.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      Indeed. I would love to see a Sabre Wing made of ships named after Aviation pioneers. USS Aldrin, USS Komarov, USS Gagarin, and USS Howard Hughs alongside the USS Yeager.
      And also, a Wolf-pack Squad named after submariner skippers who distinguished themselves. USS Gunther Prien (U-47, the Bull of Scapa Flow), USS Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock (The Smiling Sawfish- basis of Das Boot), USS Herbert Schneider (U-522), USS Helmut Rosenbaum (U-73), USS Kurt Sturm (U-410), USS Herbert Wohlfarth (U-556), USS Ottokar Arnold Paulssen (U-557), and USS Friedrich Guggenberger (U-81)

  • @MrTravel4nutin
    @MrTravel4nutin 2 роки тому +1

    That phased cloak technology would have become the ultimate Borg buster. No way to adapt.

  • @xanderguldie
    @xanderguldie 2 роки тому +1

    Great breakdown mate! On a sidenote: That remastered footage looks amazing!

  • @MultiMagnis
    @MultiMagnis 2 роки тому +6

    during the dominion war there were only 3 soverign ships made thus they were very important to 1. keep out of a trap and where close to starfleet heavy assets to defend

  • @robertdragoff6909
    @robertdragoff6909 2 роки тому +12

    I’m guessing, but, I think the narrator’s favorite ship is the Defiant…..
    Interesting video

    • @TCTurner
      @TCTurner 2 роки тому +1

      He totally commandeered the love I showed for it in the original script and went to warp with it, and I'm fine with that 🤣

  • @DirtyDruid
    @DirtyDruid Рік тому

    I subscribed when you said, "The most important member of starfleet ever, Miles Edward O'Brien"

  • @bigoz7
    @bigoz7 2 роки тому +1

    Great video very informative and thanks for sharing!

  • @terryrose4804
    @terryrose4804 2 роки тому +3

    The narrator is so much fun! A "Frasier Crane" quality and also similar to the series of videos that tell us "This is how animals/bugs/etc. do." This is how starships do. (No, they aren't alive, Jimmy! This isn't "Cars.") Zefrank1. "The Truth About..."

  • @dswynne
    @dswynne 2 роки тому +3

    My favorite? The Defiant class, thanks to it having, you guess it, "ablative armor".
    Also, if you guys at Trek Central haven't done so, can you take a look at the ships from STO and FASA? There is actually a monitoring ship in the FASA series that is nothing more than a sphere. Not kidding. A SPHERE. Now THAT is a radical design for a Starfleet ship.

    • @jamesbeach7405
      @jamesbeach7405 Рік тому

      Some of those FASA designs made it into Starfleet Command 1 and 2 which were really good games with great looking ships.

  • @randybentley2633
    @randybentley2633 2 роки тому +3

    Out of all of this batch of Borg Busters, I'd have to go with the Akira class. The Defiant and Sabre classes are both built to task. The Norway class looks incomplete with that large section missing. If they'd, later on, introduced mission-specific pods then it might not look so ungainly. I guess we'll never know with its loss. The Steamrunner class, at least in my opinion, suffers from the decision to make the secondary hull ventral rather than dorsal. It's a small change that greatly alters the whole dynamic of the design, much like the original intention to use the original Constitution model inverted before that was thankfully changed.

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      Don't forget that the Reliant was supposed to have the rollbar UNDER the hull with the naccelles above. A mix-up resulted in what turned out to be a great way to differentiate the two hull designs in Wrath of Khan.

    • @randybentley2633
      @randybentley2633 2 роки тому

      @@davidford3115 Yep, but what we got in TWoK was a happy accident but conversely the decision to change the Steamrunner in FC was deliberate.

  • @willadeefriesland5107
    @willadeefriesland5107 Рік тому +1

    It's okay to be defiant about the Defiant...
    It is, after all, a tough little ship...

  • @KatsuRyu
    @KatsuRyu Рік тому +1

    In my head, one of Chuck Norris's descendants is a captain of one of the Defiant Class ships (No doubt one of the few that wasn't destroyed)

  • @danedudlicek9241
    @danedudlicek9241 Рік тому +4

    The defiant is actually much bigger than its often depicted as. Look at the two rows of windows on the lower decks on the inside of the bottom haul. The ship clearly has 6 if not 7 decks. Now compare that to the shot of the Enterprise flying behind it 3:55. The ship is 5 or 6 times smaller than it should be. Ironically the Defiant would be around the same size as a Saber class ship meaning its not so little after all

    • @gokuvegeta7770
      @gokuvegeta7770 Рік тому

      its little even riker said it to worf and his period started after that

  • @keonisan
    @keonisan 2 роки тому +5

    I subbed because you've voiced an opinion I've had for years about the "shoot me here" nacelles. They should have had an entire fleet of defiants against the dominion.

    • @scottsadler4215
      @scottsadler4215 2 роки тому

      agreed... 50-60 defiant class ships would have made the cardasians and founders squeeeeeeel like stuck pigs, for sure!

  • @reallyidrathernot.134
    @reallyidrathernot.134 Рік тому +1

    THAT sure is a LOT of DYNAMIC range in YOUR delivery. (Not a hater; have fun.)

  • @bheppes
    @bheppes 2 роки тому

    Nice summary and enough about the Defiant

  • @kirk001
    @kirk001 2 роки тому +3

    Steamrunner is near and dear to my heart. My first encounter with the ship was from the Star Trek RTS game (can't remember the official name), and yes, it's a giant torpedo launcher with warp drive. If I recall correctly, in the game, they launched poleron torpedoes which were longer range than any other weapon, and had a larger area of effect damage than other weapons. If you wanted to rain long range massive destruction on a target, it was the ship to use. Ahh fond memories.

  • @spacecitizen6756
    @spacecitizen6756 2 роки тому +4

    I hate that Picard ruined the mystery of the Borg. That was what made them so scary.

    • @pantherpopel551
      @pantherpopel551 2 роки тому +1

      Blaming Picard for that after the shtshow, that was Voyager, is hillarious.

    • @spacecitizen6756
      @spacecitizen6756 2 роки тому +1

      @@pantherpopel551 Iol only true Trekkie’s hate the shows they love 😂 voyager had some pretty stupid episodes. Like all the Paris episodes. What a freak 😎

    • @pantherpopel551
      @pantherpopel551 2 роки тому

      @@spacecitizen6756 No, but srsly, the absolute castration they did to the Borgs absolute powe and scariness in Voyager just to hype up the heroship and the protags was ridiculous.
      They became the villain of the week for a while.

    • @spacecitizen6756
      @spacecitizen6756 2 роки тому +1

      @@pantherpopel551 I really enjoyed the kremlin time ship, year of hell episode. That’s the kind of level story writing I am hoping from stranger new worlds.

  • @scottbraun2457
    @scottbraun2457 2 роки тому

    The DEFIANT & SOVEREIGN, are both among my favorites too-! So keep right on rambling on about them.

  • @MarkOakleyComics
    @MarkOakleyComics 2 роки тому

    That was great!
    Thanks for the video. I really like that Sovereign Class beast, but you know.., the Defiant will always be near and dear.

  • @barrydevlinred
    @barrydevlinred Рік тому +3

    Omg this narration about the defiant is the best thing I've ever heard you are awesome mate well done

  • @fangslore9988
    @fangslore9988 2 роки тому +6

    the Sovereign class was built specifically with combating the borg in mind, however the sovereign class was specifically kept out of the dominion war because they were the latest ships in the fleet and ultimately kept in reserve idiotically by starfleet brass and relegated them to patrol duties within star fleet's core worlds such as Earth, Vulcan and Andoria. apparently starfleet wanted to keep their strongest ships within these systems however from star trek nemisis or one of the other ones involving the enterprise E the sovereign class did see some light combat on these patrols, and since none were confirmed destroyed it seems they were more then a match for dominion ships.
    the movies have been proven canonical by star trek lower decks quote about the California class "don't go refitting the ship, i dont want it coming out all sovereign-y" which means the movies are canon if anyone wants to try to dispute it
    in universe: idiot admirals decided to keep their most powerful ships as security details for the capital worlds of the federation
    out of universe: Sovereign class wasn't designed yet and was kept to the movies to avoid confusion

    • @Zhortac
      @Zhortac 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, them admirals keeping those ships back to protect the core worlds, helped alot when the Breen leveled San Fransisco lol

    • @fangslore9988
      @fangslore9988 2 роки тому

      @@Zhortac yeah were were they having a tea break over vulcan?

    • @DanielBrown-sn9op
      @DanielBrown-sn9op 2 роки тому +2

      One Sovvy could have f****d up the Breens attack on Earth, but SF foolishly didnt use them in the big battles. The Romulan D'Deridexes were too slow and clumsy to run down and engage the Dominion and Breen mother ships. Sovereigns could have made it very hard on the Jem Hadar by chasing them down, freeing the Romulans to take long range shots at the Dominion fleet. # SF brass wet their pants.

    • @fangslore9988
      @fangslore9988 2 роки тому +1

      @@DanielBrown-sn9op this is true, but star fleet's command kept the sovereigns out of the war, and why they made that kind of tactical choice is idiotic, its like starfleet didnt want to risk their most advanced ships in a war

    • @davidford3115
      @davidford3115 2 роки тому +1

      @@DanielBrown-sn9op The point of the D'Ds is that they strike from ambush. Think submarine warfare. That is the Romulan way: strike from the shadows and then retreat back into darkness. Speed isn't a factor with those tactics.

  • @jonathanhunt5808
    @jonathanhunt5808 Рік тому +1

    New series about Worf and Alexander could be great. Think about the possibilities.

  • @arrjay2410
    @arrjay2410 2 роки тому +1

    I like the Sabre class. Small ship with a small crew that packs a punch without all the problems The Defiant had.

  • @JBobRoony
    @JBobRoony 2 роки тому +3

    uss prometheus anyone ?

  • @Just-a-guy926
    @Just-a-guy926 2 роки тому +3

    How about the assimilated La Serena at the end of Picard Season 2.

  • @ajteer
    @ajteer 8 місяців тому +1

    My favorites of all mentioned are the Akira and the Sabre.

  • @warblerblue
    @warblerblue 2 роки тому +1

    WORF speaking of Defiant: this is my boomstick!

  • @BILLEON2005
    @BILLEON2005 2 роки тому +3

    The Defiant was essentially the Fighter Jet of the Star Trek universe!
    My interpretation was its maneuverability was its deadliest aspect!

  • @jimmiedmc1
    @jimmiedmc1 2 роки тому +5

    Could you imagine the deffiant with a spore drive along with quantom phase torpedoes in theory they could drop one in the core of every Borg vessel like throwing a grenade directly inside of a tank

  • @Timeward76
    @Timeward76 Рік тому +2

    I feel like the federation's warfleet proves that humanity being so laser-focused on exploration for so long was almost a mercy. When the time came for starfleet to build dedicated warships, they gave *everyone* a run for their money.

  • @HITMANPegas
    @HITMANPegas 2 роки тому +1

    This just makes me want to play Star Trek Armada.

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 2 роки тому +3

    I'll be on the Akira-Class U.S.S. Thunder Child. Follow me. We go in harm's way. Allons-y!

  • @Fayanora
    @Fayanora 2 роки тому +1

    What I really want to see in Star Trek is a ship that's just... entirely a saucer. Nacelles built into the sides, barely visible, not much of a target. Just this great big armored flying saucer.

    • @dubsessed9790
      @dubsessed9790 2 роки тому +1

      Like a star trek version of the millenium falcon. I agree. Or like the saucer half of Enterprise, but better

    • @eternalsmiley9181
      @eternalsmiley9181 2 роки тому

      even in the online game i can't think of much beyond a lukari ship that is oval and the Universe class dreadnought valkis by the Romulans which looks like the flattened profile view of pacman flying around in space. the lukari is small...and the valkis is huuuuuuuuuuuge.

  • @crazysnake1096
    @crazysnake1096 10 місяців тому

    The saber class reminds me of a retool of the freighter destroyed in the beginning of Star Trek III: the search for sprocket.

  • @wiaf8937
    @wiaf8937 Рік тому +1

    your chuzpe is of the charts! instant like and sub after watching the full video. you earned it :3

  • @williamhelus3522
    @williamhelus3522 2 роки тому +1

    Starship: USS Voyages took on Borg cube by itself.
    Metaphasic Armor.
    Metaphasic torpedoes.
    BullyBilly.

  • @juliajuanafernandaalvarez1456
    @juliajuanafernandaalvarez1456 2 роки тому +1

    The Akira class is still one of my favourite and lookwise my favourite behind the Sovereign. All in all just a very badass and sexy ship.

  • @dredark3
    @dredark3 2 роки тому +2

    You damn right Chief O'Brien is important :)

  • @italianmiltyfriedman6264
    @italianmiltyfriedman6264 Рік тому +2

    How exactly did starfleet acquire the technology allowing such drastic miniaturization to create the defiant class?
    They went from small town sized ships to basically a shuttle, while increasing all power by about 100- 500x?

  • @chefdean7257
    @chefdean7257 6 місяців тому +1

    Beneath the Defiant's beard . . . Is another quantum torpedo launcher. 🤓

  • @korvatusklok4059
    @korvatusklok4059 2 роки тому +1

    Defiant for the win

  • @No-01E
    @No-01E Рік тому

    The defiant the little ship with the biggest balls, they were so big they almost shook itself apart

  • @mrsenstitz
    @mrsenstitz 2 роки тому +1

    I absolutely. ,utely ,loved this thanks

  • @poh1617
    @poh1617 2 роки тому +1

    When there's something green, in your neighborhood. Who you gonna call......?