This book series must of been a pain in the ass to write; like the sheer amount of plot beats you’d need to manage so Romulan and Federation personnel never meet each other in person must been difficult.
Yes, although I gather the higher ups and Vulcans were actually in on it, at times. Personally, I found the writing style a bit clunky, at times - but some neat stuff does come off, in both books.
Zindi with advice and technology from the future: Let's spend years making a laser ball, then test the prototype on the final target barely damaging the world so that they have sufficient warning to counterattack. Romulan: *Flies 1 ship into a planet and destroys everything* k then
I did a warp drive weapon in modified torpedoes when I played the FASA tabletop pen & paper role-playing game with my college friends. Any vessel travelling at warp speed impacting a planet makes the planet turn into what looks like a smoker blowing a smoke-ring... but it is magma... much larger... moving slower... and eventually hardening into asteroids and space dust as it grows. Star Trek's fantasy logic always implies planets are far more solid than they are. Sure, they can take just about any punishment from a star ship's weapons and eventually "heal" like a planet that even endures a life-ending global war. But, the warp drive, any warp drive, is pretty much something that is easy to make into a super-weapon that kills anything smaller than a medium star if driven through it.
@@That80sGuy1972 Not necessarily, it's a basic misunderstanding of scifi FTL to assign FTL objects any appreciable kinetic energy in most settings. The very idea of warp drives is that they bypass the infinite kinetic energy requirement of FTL travel by bypassing the need for kinetic energy to travel in the first place. A warp drive which actually warps space to use space itself as propulsion for the ship, does not impart unfathomable kinetic energy to the warp ship. In fact a ship at warp hitting a planet like that would at worst create warp related short term effects near the crash site, since it would squish the atoms immediately at the warp bubble together, this might fuse some atoms, and cause an appreciable secondary explosion depending on the material, however it would not be a planet-shattering event, at best it would be the equivalent of a fusion bomb. Theoretically a drive which warps real space could see the ship stationary with no real kinetic energy at all upon leaving warp, since the movement was not the ship's at all, it was space around the ship moving. Again, the very idea of warp drives is that they bypass the infinite kinetic energy requirement of FTL travel by bypassing the need for kinetic energy to travel in the first place. If the warp drive instead somehow breaks the actual speed of light by somehow changing the rules of physics locally, then we may see the ship have incredible amounts of kinetic energy when at warp. Very few sci-fi franchises use FTL engines capable of breaking the actual speed of light. They usually bypass that entirely by traveling through a medium where the very concept of speed is different. So a ship going FTL doesn't necessarily hold more kinetic energy than a ship going sublight, because it is actually tricking the universe into allowing FTL and not brute forcing it.
@@NATIK001 I understand the space folding thing of warp. The object may not have the kinetic energy but that isn't the superweapon potential. The impact of anything with enough of a field around it to bend space into a significant sized object would have that thing transfer a LOT of energy from the field into the matter it passes through. A space fold that transports something through time and space like a teleport wouldn't really have that effect but one that folds space just enough to make something move FTL would be a super-weapon to anything it impacts. You gave me zero new information, my friend, and assumed I knew nothing about it without understanding the effect I described... assuming some magic is involved that leaves an FTL object barely bending space somehow phased out of reality. That form of FTL is called "hyperspace" and Star Trek doesn't do that. Star Trek's FTL, it's Warp Drive, barely bends space as to make the ship move THROUGH space, not vanishing from it, not at all doing any kind of space-folding teleportation. A warp-speed ship, no matter how the warp is established, would induce kinetic energy upon impact of a solid object because the FTL ship is never removed from 3D space during the "movement".
It's sad the planned book trilogy shortened to two, really felt like a bit more could've come from it. Interesting how it bridged with Destiny series about Columbia
7:31 "self-aware of the craziness it's weaving" I love how you put a frame from Riker and Deanna during the ill-conceived final episode of ST:ENT. Oops, sorry, I mean post-finale episode. ;)
An excellent end to the series on the Romulan War. One thing I'd like to learn more about are the classes of warships on both sides of the conflict. Something to consider for another video?
Hey you should think about using star trek legacy with the ultimate universe mod for this vid, in the base game it shows basically a war with the romulan during the entire "enterprise" stage literally you go up against over 150 romulan vessels with only 4 Starfleet vessels to defend the space station, plus if you use the mod it will alow you to use the enterprise with the secondary hull addition with there shields and dropped engineering space it's pretty darn awesome but please please guve it a try if you can
Robert Meyer Burnett said that Paramount is sitting on a movie trilogy entitled Star Trek Beginnings. This movie trilogy script is the Earth-Romulan War was sent to Paramount before the Viacom split in 2006. It could be made with a different crew than Enterprise however it goes against the Bad Robot/Secret Hideout Contract which doesn’t expire until 2023.
I think we won't see another trek film until after that deal runs out as CBS is really gunning for a trek cinematic universe and ending the kelvin timeline films (which realistically already had a satisfying ending in star trek beyond) and focusing on bringing out prime timeline films that connect to and reference the shows is ideal especially with star wars out of the picture for the foreseeable future they will basically have 0 competion at the box office
Plug socket After looking at this planned trilogy (you said) they planned focusing on the earth-romulan the war I think the earth Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 Anything at this point is better than Discovery. Have you seen Star Trek Continues? It's on YT. I've seen all 11 episodes.
It is meh. Sure it's fun but there is nothing of real substance. It just feels like it's made to take advantage of nostalgia with the writers saying "hey look at uss we remember this obscure episode of TOS/TNG" without adding anything to the lore and story of the universe though I will say that there was something I really liked, in the episode where boimler has a transporter accident the tech that causes it is setting up the new insanely fast personal transporter tech of the 32nd century that we see in discovery season 3. The fact the writers even thought to make that connection is really cool.
Dang, poor Tunis and Madrid had to suffer orbital bombardments from Romulans? Right after the Xindi War too. That’s tough. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
I love the series you were doing and I am also reading the post Enterprise books as well though I pointed out last video how the hole nukes are ineffective against ships doesn’t make sense. As for the thing about starships being radiation proof well that also doesn’t make sense in canon because we’ve seen several times in TOS and TNG and more of radiation from an external source threatening the ship.
There is a bit of a plothole with the destruction of USS Franklin in this year. We know from Star Trek Beyond that the ship survived the war so I don't know how they could find debris in the belt
Question: I have not read the books but I have just finished Enterprise & Is there not a mistake in the books about Tucker faking his death? And also in one of your videos where you say "in this timeline Tucker is alive") In the Second to last episode in Enterprise, Earth and the other species sign a defence pact in I think 2156. Then because they were cancelled the last episode jumps ahead 5 years to the creation of The Federation (skipping the Earth-Romulan war) and it is in that last episode that Tucker dies (stupid decision). So my point is that he only dies after the Earth-Romulan war even in the series. And his "death" beeing explained away is a mistake or not needed.
In this case, the novels say that the records of Tucker's 'death' was misfiled and mislabelled later, to further conceal what had happened, @FilipH86 . So the date was adjusted.
I guess that helps explain why Star Trek never used the Romulans much. a roughly technologically equal, if not marginally superior nation and species, who isn't above doing some truly villainous things to prevail. The Romulans would have sucked the "fun" out of Star Trek. Frankly, in hindsight, the Dominion war could have easily been the Romulans just going to war out of frustration, among other reasons, with the Federation with many of the same [points] playing out, the Breen, Cardassia, and so on. I think the Bajoran Wormhole might be minimized in such a scenario. However, the relationship between Bajor and Cardassia would have remained at or near the front. The Dominion could be a Romulan ally in their war with the Federation. They would demand more of the Romulans for their continued support leading to atrocities the Romulans would never live down. This might also explain why anyone in the Romulan Empire [thought] the Hobus experiment was a good idea. They needed it to develop a weapon to retain Dominion support.
okay this is driving me crazy you have literally used the same picture as a supposed illustration of THREE different species, at this point. the ones from 'Cogenitor" I don't remember what they were called but you have used their picture now in reference to 3 different species there were wiped out during this war...
Haakonans, I gather - a species named for a planet, that was named for a Warbird (backward, that is - many names on the Star Chart books for Romulan and Klingon stars began as ship names, I recall)
WAIT!!! Did you say the Romulans were waging a war against the Haakonans? Were the Romulans supporting the Atreides or the Corrino? Were the Romulans already juicing up on the Spice this early?
I think the Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on Nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom i’m saying it should been made by the same guys that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree
Honest to God, I'm a life long Trekkie and I can't for the life of me figure out why ANYONE would include "Enterprise" in canon. The show certainly never cared one wit for Star Trek canon. It was awful. For me, it signaled the end of Star Trek. It proved once and for all that the producers just don't care about the fans. They are obsessed with chasing new fans, the people that weren't watching, at the expense of their loyal following. At this point I couldn't even watch the second season of Picard. Everything they've come out with since DS9 isn't worth it, everything after Voyager is an insult. Let it die. The owners, the producers hate Star Trek they hate the fans so just let it die. And for God's sake: Never mention Archer or "Enterprise" again!
This book series must of been a pain in the ass to write; like the sheer amount of plot beats you’d need to manage so Romulan and Federation personnel never meet each other in person must been difficult.
Yes, although I gather the higher ups and Vulcans were actually in on it, at times. Personally, I found the writing style a bit clunky, at times - but some neat stuff does come off, in both books.
Zindi with advice and technology from the future: Let's spend years making a laser ball, then test the prototype on the final target barely damaging the world so that they have sufficient warning to counterattack.
Romulan: *Flies 1 ship into a planet and destroys everything* k then
I did a warp drive weapon in modified torpedoes when I played the FASA tabletop pen & paper role-playing game with my college friends. Any vessel travelling at warp speed impacting a planet makes the planet turn into what looks like a smoker blowing a smoke-ring... but it is magma... much larger... moving slower... and eventually hardening into asteroids and space dust as it grows. Star Trek's fantasy logic always implies planets are far more solid than they are. Sure, they can take just about any punishment from a star ship's weapons and eventually "heal" like a planet that even endures a life-ending global war. But, the warp drive, any warp drive, is pretty much something that is easy to make into a super-weapon that kills anything smaller than a medium star if driven through it.
@@That80sGuy1972 Not necessarily, it's a basic misunderstanding of scifi FTL to assign FTL objects any appreciable kinetic energy in most settings. The very idea of warp drives is that they bypass the infinite kinetic energy requirement of FTL travel by bypassing the need for kinetic energy to travel in the first place.
A warp drive which actually warps space to use space itself as propulsion for the ship, does not impart unfathomable kinetic energy to the warp ship. In fact a ship at warp hitting a planet like that would at worst create warp related short term effects near the crash site, since it would squish the atoms immediately at the warp bubble together, this might fuse some atoms, and cause an appreciable secondary explosion depending on the material, however it would not be a planet-shattering event, at best it would be the equivalent of a fusion bomb.
Theoretically a drive which warps real space could see the ship stationary with no real kinetic energy at all upon leaving warp, since the movement was not the ship's at all, it was space around the ship moving. Again, the very idea of warp drives is that they bypass the infinite kinetic energy requirement of FTL travel by bypassing the need for kinetic energy to travel in the first place.
If the warp drive instead somehow breaks the actual speed of light by somehow changing the rules of physics locally, then we may see the ship have incredible amounts of kinetic energy when at warp.
Very few sci-fi franchises use FTL engines capable of breaking the actual speed of light. They usually bypass that entirely by traveling through a medium where the very concept of speed is different. So a ship going FTL doesn't necessarily hold more kinetic energy than a ship going sublight, because it is actually tricking the universe into allowing FTL and not brute forcing it.
@@NATIK001 I understand the space folding thing of warp. The object may not have the kinetic energy but that isn't the superweapon potential. The impact of anything with enough of a field around it to bend space into a significant sized object would have that thing transfer a LOT of energy from the field into the matter it passes through. A space fold that transports something through time and space like a teleport wouldn't really have that effect but one that folds space just enough to make something move FTL would be a super-weapon to anything it impacts. You gave me zero new information, my friend, and assumed I knew nothing about it without understanding the effect I described... assuming some magic is involved that leaves an FTL object barely bending space somehow phased out of reality. That form of FTL is called "hyperspace" and Star Trek doesn't do that. Star Trek's FTL, it's Warp Drive, barely bends space as to make the ship move THROUGH space, not vanishing from it, not at all doing any kind of space-folding teleportation. A warp-speed ship, no matter how the warp is established, would induce kinetic energy upon impact of a solid object because the FTL ship is never removed from 3D space during the "movement".
It's sad the planned book trilogy shortened to two, really felt like a bit more could've come from it. Interesting how it bridged with Destiny series about Columbia
7:31 "self-aware of the craziness it's weaving"
I love how you put a frame from Riker and Deanna during the ill-conceived final episode of ST:ENT. Oops, sorry, I mean post-finale episode. ;)
An excellent end to the series on the Romulan War. One thing I'd like to learn more about are the classes of warships on both sides of the conflict. Something to consider for another video?
Great series, cant wait for the next video.
Hey you should think about using star trek legacy with the ultimate universe mod for this vid, in the base game it shows basically a war with the romulan during the entire "enterprise" stage literally you go up against over 150 romulan vessels with only 4 Starfleet vessels to defend the space station, plus if you use the mod it will alow you to use the enterprise with the secondary hull addition with there shields and dropped engineering space it's pretty darn awesome but please please guve it a try if you can
Robert Meyer Burnett said that Paramount is sitting on a movie trilogy entitled Star Trek Beginnings. This movie trilogy script is the Earth-Romulan War was sent to Paramount before the Viacom split in 2006. It could be made with a different crew than Enterprise however it goes against the Bad Robot/Secret Hideout Contract which doesn’t expire until 2023.
I hope they get around to making those. If they did it right they could completely remove the Enterprise finale from canon.
I think we won't see another trek film until after that deal runs out as CBS is really gunning for a trek cinematic universe and ending the kelvin timeline films (which realistically already had a satisfying ending in star trek beyond) and focusing on bringing out prime timeline films that connect to and reference the shows is ideal especially with star wars out of the picture for the foreseeable future they will basically have 0 competion at the box office
Plug socket After looking at this planned trilogy (you said) they planned focusing on the earth-romulan the war I think the earth Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars
Love this series. How are you feeling on lower decks right now?
Better than Discovery
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 Anything at this point is better than Discovery. Have you seen Star Trek Continues? It's on YT. I've seen all 11 episodes.
Kurtzman is like Thanos, star trek reality is what he wants and he's destroyed 50% of Star Trek lore with continual goods and retcons
Lower and decky... thank you 😁
It is meh. Sure it's fun but there is nothing of real substance. It just feels like it's made to take advantage of nostalgia with the writers saying "hey look at uss we remember this obscure episode of TOS/TNG" without adding anything to the lore and story of the universe though I will say that there was something I really liked, in the episode where boimler has a transporter accident the tech that causes it is setting up the new insanely fast personal transporter tech of the 32nd century that we see in discovery season 3. The fact the writers even thought to make that connection is really cool.
Got here early for a change lol loving your series young man keep up the good work !
Hey, Rick, do you have any plans to make an EVE Online or Stellaris story series? I mean, roleplaying?
Dang, poor Tunis and Madrid had to suffer orbital bombardments from Romulans? Right after the Xindi War too. That’s tough. Stay well out there everybody, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
May Santa and the Easter bunny bless and protect you, too.
Also Obi-Wan Kenobi. He’s kinda like space jeezus ain’t he
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I still half-expect Trip to show up as a temporal agent in STO at some point.
I love the series you were doing and I am also reading the post Enterprise books as well though I pointed out last video how the hole nukes are ineffective against ships doesn’t make sense. As for the thing about starships being radiation proof well that also doesn’t make sense in canon because we’ve seen several times in TOS and TNG and more of radiation from an external source threatening the ship.
Do you have other videos on the romulan wars?
Final year, but the end of the war is in another episode.
What a tease...
00:20 “The Romulans have been fighting another war against the Harkonnens?” 😂
i think he meant Arkonian that or the Romulans found the Dune universe
There is a bit of a plothole with the destruction of USS Franklin in this year. We know from Star Trek Beyond that the ship survived the war so I don't know how they could find debris in the belt
I noticed you use a lot of Startrek Online stuff.
Question: I have not read the books but I have just finished Enterprise & Is there not a mistake in the books about Tucker faking his death? And also in one of your videos where you say "in this timeline Tucker is alive")
In the Second to last episode in Enterprise, Earth and the other species sign a defence pact in I think 2156. Then because they were cancelled the last episode jumps ahead 5 years to the creation of The Federation (skipping the Earth-Romulan war) and it is in that last episode that Tucker dies (stupid decision).
So my point is that he only dies after the Earth-Romulan war even in the series. And his "death" beeing explained away is a mistake or not needed.
In this case, the novels say that the records of Tucker's 'death' was misfiled and mislabelled later, to further conceal what had happened, @FilipH86 .
So the date was adjusted.
So it's like the second week of deer camp?
Now I dont feel so bad the romulan lost there world.🤷♂️
By this time Tripp Tucker has been seconded too the Vulcan vShar
If you do an episode about the first starships of the United Earth starships like all the names of them
I guess that helps explain why Star Trek never used the Romulans much. a roughly technologically equal, if not marginally superior nation and species, who isn't above doing some truly villainous things to prevail. The Romulans would have sucked the "fun" out of Star Trek.
Frankly, in hindsight, the Dominion war could have easily been the Romulans just going to war out of frustration, among other reasons, with the Federation with many of the same [points] playing out, the Breen, Cardassia, and so on. I think the Bajoran Wormhole might be minimized in such a scenario. However, the relationship between Bajor and Cardassia would have remained at or near the front. The Dominion could be a Romulan ally in their war with the Federation. They would demand more of the Romulans for their continued support leading to atrocities the Romulans would never live down.
This might also explain why anyone in the Romulan Empire [thought] the Hobus experiment was a good idea. They needed it to develop a weapon to retain Dominion support.
Space Russians
The jem hiddar were puppets of the Romulans!
@@joshzenker8632 You mean Soviets. There was never anything wrong with the Russians.
@@vincewilson1 comment aged poorly lol
@@vincewilson1 who created the Soviet Union? Who created Soviet corruption and paranoia?
So.. there's a 2157 video, and a 2159 video.
Where's 2158?
okay this is driving me crazy you have literally used the same picture as a supposed illustration of THREE different species, at this point. the ones from 'Cogenitor" I don't remember what they were called but you have used their picture now in reference to 3 different species there were wiped out during this war...
What species were the Romulans fighting besides the people of Earth?
Haakonans, I gather - a species named for a planet, that was named for a Warbird (backward, that is - many names on the Star Chart books for Romulan and Klingon stars began as ship names, I recall)
8:13 nice looking Vulcans.
ok then
WAIT!!! Did you say the Romulans were waging a war against the Haakonans? Were the Romulans supporting the Atreides or the Corrino? Were the Romulans already juicing up on the Spice this early?
HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!
I think the Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on Nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom i’m saying it should been made by the same guys that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree
The Haarkonens? The Romulans fought House Haarkonnen in the Dune-verse? :P LOL!
Good point: bias breeds bias and xenophobia comes around full circle if you let it.
Wait, what? Harkonnens?
👍.
The organization the enterprise had to fight was called Terra Prime, not Terra Firma
Good way to keep things... grounded, in reality, yeah.
Yes, as the visual aids helpfully corrected..
he was playing too much Mass Effect ig
Romulus want that spirit planet
EARLY SQUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!
This is what Enterprise should have done. Not the stupid Xindi or time war crap.
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Honest to God, I'm a life long Trekkie and I can't for the life of me figure out why ANYONE would include "Enterprise" in canon. The show certainly never cared one wit for Star Trek canon. It was awful. For me, it signaled the end of Star Trek. It proved once and for all that the producers just don't care about the fans. They are obsessed with chasing new fans, the people that weren't watching, at the expense of their loyal following. At this point I couldn't even watch the second season of Picard. Everything they've come out with since DS9 isn't worth it, everything after Voyager is an insult. Let it die. The owners, the producers hate Star Trek they hate the fans so just let it die. And for God's sake: Never mention Archer or "Enterprise" again!
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