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Ty for beating me to it lol most of these ships are in sto and their bridges are established there. Just building those bridges might spend their set money for 4 seasons and if they tried vfx they would have had a vfx budget of a movie every season
@@JayC2k08 They probably could have faked it with the StageCraft tech they use on Discovery and SNW. No need to build a whole set just for a couple quick shots that way.
Honestly reusing sets just dressed differently is the most Star Trek things ever. I know they did it because of budgetary reasons just like the old days which made Picard season 3 feel even more like old school Trek.
In my headcanon, the bridge we see in Picard S3 was just a temporary bridge module thrown in for Frontier Day since the primary bridge module from the F was so damaged after the “Monfet Gambit” (which apparently thrashed the F so hard it had to be decommissioned early rather than repaired... Must have been a hell of a battle!)
The standard Starfleet bridge of the time also carried a small medical station, to treat all the sprained ankles caused by having triple steps without guard rails on a _dimly lit_ bridge.
I felt season 3 was incredible and it was an unexpected surprise, but the clip of Shelby being phasered at the hands of newly activated drones - I know it’s all fiction but the character of Commander/Admiral Shelby had SO much potential for further plot development. Though maybe they’ll work her back in and just say they shot one of the changelings on purpose and the real Shelby made it through in one piece. I can hope. Haha.
While it was cool to see her, I did think it was rather ironic that her decisions in ship systems designs over the previous 10+ years allowed the Borg to assimilate the entire fleet. Twice. Even if she didn't die, she needed to be put out to pasture. Starfleet needs to do what the Colonial Fleet did in BSG at the beginning of the Cylon War. Remove the network interoperability. Having prefix codes to lower the shields on a commandeered ship is one thing. But having things networked to the point where a single entity can take over the entire fleet is something else entirely.
@@Devillin true as well. The fleet brass must have lost their minds thinking that level of networking would be a net benefit. Also, props on the reference to similar in BSG, I followed it closely also.
@@Devillin Yeah, I get that the writers wanted a way for the Borg to not only take over the young officers but also a way for them to present a threat even to unassimilated ships, but Fleet Formation is such an obvious "nope!" that there's no way any sentient Starfleet officer would have thought it was a good idea.
the traceable payload was probably designed with cloaked ships in mind maybe as a counter to a Scimitar class style ship. with a direct hit the ship could still target a enemy even when they're back under cloak.
Let's get rid of the saucer design and maybe incorporate more designs that are from incoming alien species you would think they would have inputs into how the ships are designed
There's a couple of websites that have detailed descriptions of what each class of ship will do especially the new ones. For this class they specifically say that this is a patrol and interdiction vessel among other uses. So yeah you got a background and tactics or something like that it would be the perfect command.
Same choice as having a visible Bridge, frequently shown to be vulnerable in a variety of ways, slapped onto the top of the saucer section, and not right in the bowels of the ship like almost every space sci-fi show ever.
These ships are also better armored than most. Remember these are 24 century ships a lot of technology they used they got from Voyager when she came back.
it would be cool if star fleet could build a copy of the jem,hadar heavy battle ship from one that was captured in the dominion war.jem,hadar and starfleet tech mixed into 1 ship.
Yeah, ST has inspired many tech beginnings like the cell phone and particularly TNG's PADD helped in the inspiration of the iPad and maybe the iPhone I think, IIRC. (Correct me if I'm off.)
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on the Echelon class starship's and of all of its various duties and functions and of it's weapon systems and shielding, interior and so forth and so on indeed guys and very nicely well explained by you Sir!,👌.
The chairs on most of the ships still bug me! They should be more ergonomic and have adjustable headrests and neck protection so you don’t break your neck during battles high G maneuvers etcetera!! Plus the padding looks uncomfortable for long time seating!
When the Titan drops out of warp, and then cloaks, I was pissed. First, the ship was being looked for...why wasn't it cloaked when at warp? How did the other ships not see it drop out of warp? Second, it was stated that the ships communicated with each other, whenever in close proximity. So, even while clocked, they would have known that she was there! Sloppy writing.
That fat, clunkey rear end is tragic and the nacelles are a bad imitation of a classic. Shame. How did we go from designs like the Akria and Sovereign or even the Sabre to this?
I'm unsubbing. I'm tired of the long videos with way to much summary or rehash. Talk about the ships, no worries, but we don't need all the history. AND you do it just to do it! FILLER, to make your videos longer! THERE is no need for you to rehash all that is in this video to discuss these ships! This video could have been two minutes! The rest? USELESS or KNOWN information! I share with you not to insult you, or offend you. SO YOU KNOW! It's called, feedback!
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It’s really just a kitbash, but makes a lot of sense. If the Sagan class are the latest and greatest, but the recent wars have made resources a little scarce, then the Echelons make a load of sense as Diet Sagans which only need a little bit of extra sauce (aka nacelles) to become full Sagans when you are able to afford that. Basically, you make a few Sagans, lots of Echelons, and then start adding the extra bits to the already existing frames so you eventually get the number of Sagans you really wanted.
@@kyle857 you either love it or hate it. But if your heavy cruiser is basically a double light cruiser it’s a lot cheaper and easier to do. Both for a dockyard and a special effects team.
You know what they should have done was have starships that actually have a part of the hull the USS Defiant class ship, and when the ship leaves main starship a new hull retracts in place.
Is it just me or do I miss two rendered warp nacelles on one of the ships at 13:01. I see 2 floating bussard collectors. Ship right half side of screen above a Sovereign class.
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I really dislike the whole everything inside being dark in the starfleet ships now as if it indicates more futuristic ? If anything it's the opposite. I don't mean the carpet etc I mean the weird thing that it looks like 90% of the lights are just turned off in every section and room of the starfleet ships !?
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with the timeline catching up to Admiral Janeway in Voyagers endgame there's probably deployable ablative armour generators to cover weak points such as windows in the hull or there are holo viewscreens with sensors on the hull in place of them.
Starting at 12:57 you can see a warp nacelle-less Ross Class joining the fleet. Although this is a funny little fluke I’ve seen, thanks to these videos I’ve actually come across a lot of cool tidbits of stuff I had missed before, like the Titan’s repaired hull panels or the D’s partly unfinished hull in certain areas… however I think this Ross Class might be having bigger issues then a few missing maintenance panels 😅
Yes!!! I want a Sagan class on steroids!!!!,and a Carrier class with human and holographic crew also loaded up with enough firepower to take out a Borg central hub!!!!.
Sure, lets take a tactical assault ship & put the MARA right behind & above the bridge, visible to everyone. There's no way that could possibly be a weakness.
That shuttle craft is waaaay out of proportion to the main ship! Take a look at the docking procedure, it's bad. A ship that size would never be considered a shuttle.
yes! two bigger nacelles to not have the same range but faster with faster acceleration and less mass. dual warp core and armament is the same. maby because the reduced hardware shield bubble is smaller making its shields a little easier to keep up and that is it for tactical differences.
Not sure if it's already been done, but theories on what happened to Borg Queen jurati after season two, because they kinda left it open, that is if it was purposely done so it can be revisited in another future series
Stop picking apart every detail! i'm from the 60's and NCC-1701 was my god. In my day i never dreamed of a NCC-1701F but holy crap it's beautiful! Go with the flow!
It's weird when this happens but I was just thinking of the genesis device just seconds before you mentioned it. The thought was that they could potentially use it to create a planet like the dilithium one in discovery season 3. The idea of which is that now they have access to the planet they can give more precise instructions on how to create another one.
Overall, I've loved the starship designs seen in Picard Season 3. I like the more consistent use of the same nacelle design on different vessels, for example. I wonder if the Echelon class' traceable weapons, however, would be found on other more combat-oriented ships as well. This seems like a tactical advancement that should be utilized across the fleet, at least in my opinion.
@@kyle857 I actually really like it, probably because it's not smoothly designed and looking the same from end to end. But, infinite diversity in infinite combinations, I suppose!
Interesting tidbit about woman behind the USS Cole. I thought Matalas has named the ship after the protagonist from his other show 12 Monkeys - also named Cole
i've wondered if the shapes the formation-ed ships were in - do they mean anything? they look kind of like musical notes which make me think they could be vulcan? anyone know?
Echelon class? It has a dinky deflector because it lacks a secondary hull. Not having one is one of many science inconsistencies Star Trek has. For safety reasons they should not be able to go as fast as those that have much larger ones.
This class feels to me like an evolution of Texas Class rather than aletrnate of Segan. It would fit "a Borg" like set of mind Starfleet were following.
@@kyle857 I like your observation. The back end does look more than just a little different from what we're used to seeing. But I think that it just gives it a heck of a lot more character than would have been the case otherwise. Seen from some frontal angles, those nacelles look like wings.
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And then they could instead just put the nacelles on the bottom instead as a "new" "Miranda" type variant too...
It's too bad that the Enterprise F didn't have the Odyssey bridge. That would have really been a site too see on the screen.
Ty for beating me to it lol most of these ships are in sto and their bridges are established there. Just building those bridges might spend their set money for 4 seasons and if they tried vfx they would have had a vfx budget of a movie every season
@@JayC2k08 They probably could have faked it with the StageCraft tech they use on Discovery and SNW. No need to build a whole set just for a couple quick shots that way.
Honestly reusing sets just dressed differently is the most Star Trek things ever.
I know they did it because of budgetary reasons just like the old days which made Picard season 3 feel even more like old school Trek.
Agreed, I was disappointed with that though Admiral Shelby did make up for that.
In my headcanon, the bridge we see in Picard S3 was just a temporary bridge module thrown in for Frontier Day since the primary bridge module from the F was so damaged after the “Monfet Gambit” (which apparently thrashed the F so hard it had to be decommissioned early rather than repaired... Must have been a hell of a battle!)
The standard Starfleet bridge of the time also carried a small medical station, to treat all the sprained ankles caused by having triple steps without guard rails on a _dimly lit_ bridge.
Wonderful, if more starfleets in process then motherships contains heavy vessel carriers would be powerful to space capacity.
Don't forget standard issue explody consoles. Because that's a thing.
I felt season 3 was incredible and it was an unexpected surprise, but the clip of Shelby being phasered at the hands of newly activated drones - I know it’s all fiction but the character of Commander/Admiral Shelby had SO much potential for further plot development. Though maybe they’ll work her back in and just say they shot one of the changelings on purpose and the real Shelby made it through in one piece. I can hope. Haha.
While it was cool to see her, I did think it was rather ironic that her decisions in ship systems designs over the previous 10+ years allowed the Borg to assimilate the entire fleet. Twice. Even if she didn't die, she needed to be put out to pasture. Starfleet needs to do what the Colonial Fleet did in BSG at the beginning of the Cylon War. Remove the network interoperability. Having prefix codes to lower the shields on a commandeered ship is one thing. But having things networked to the point where a single entity can take over the entire fleet is something else entirely.
@@Devillin true as well. The fleet brass must have lost their minds thinking that level of networking would be a net benefit. Also, props on the reference to similar in BSG, I followed it closely also.
@@Devillin Yeah, I get that the writers wanted a way for the Borg to not only take over the young officers but also a way for them to present a threat even to unassimilated ships, but Fleet Formation is such an obvious "nope!" that there's no way any sentient Starfleet officer would have thought it was a good idea.
Taking off those two extra nacelles really makes it look absolutely hideous compared to the Sagan class.
the traceable payload was probably designed with cloaked ships in mind maybe as a counter to a Scimitar class style ship. with a direct hit the ship could still target a enemy even when they're back under cloak.
Maybe they should let the Trekkies make some designs? Kit bashing seems so unoriginal and bland.
Agreed
Let's get rid of the saucer design and maybe incorporate more designs that are from incoming alien species you would think they would have inputs into how the ships are designed
I would gladly captain one of these starships. it seems like the perfect assignment for a Tactical-Division Captain.
There's a couple of websites that have detailed descriptions of what each class of ship will do especially the new ones.
For this class they specifically say that this is a patrol and interdiction vessel among other uses.
So yeah you got a background and tactics or something like that it would be the perfect command.
Having in your warp core(s) tacked onto the top of the ship in a highly exposed structure with giant windows fore and aft certainly is a choice.
Same choice as having a visible Bridge, frequently shown to be vulnerable in a variety of ways, slapped onto the top of the saucer section, and not right in the bowels of the ship like almost every space sci-fi show ever.
These ships are also better armored than most. Remember these are 24 century ships a lot of technology they used they got from Voyager when she came back.
Besides I got a pretty good hunch that the folks in the design bureaus know how to protect areas like that
it would be cool if star fleet could build a copy of the jem,hadar heavy battle ship from one that was captured in the dominion war.jem,hadar and starfleet tech mixed into 1 ship.
They need to make Data Captain of an actual odyssey class enterprise
Yeah, ST has inspired many tech beginnings like the cell phone and particularly TNG's PADD helped in the inspiration of the iPad and maybe the iPhone I think, IIRC. (Correct me if I'm off.)
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on the Echelon class starship's and of all of its various duties and functions and of it's weapon systems and shielding, interior and so forth and so on indeed guys and very nicely well explained by you Sir!,👌.
The chairs on most of the ships still bug me! They should be more ergonomic and have adjustable headrests and neck protection so you don’t break your neck during battles high G maneuvers etcetera!! Plus the padding looks uncomfortable for long time seating!
When the Titan drops out of warp, and then cloaks, I was pissed. First, the ship was being looked for...why wasn't it cloaked when at warp? How did the other ships not see it drop out of warp? Second, it was stated that the ships communicated with each other, whenever in close proximity. So, even while clocked, they would have known that she was there! Sloppy writing.
That fat, clunkey rear end is tragic and the nacelles are a bad imitation of a classic. Shame. How did we go from designs like the Akria and Sovereign or even the Sabre to this?
I'm unsubbing. I'm tired of the long videos with way to much summary or rehash. Talk about the ships, no worries, but we don't need all the history. AND you do it just to do it! FILLER, to make your videos longer! THERE is no need for you to rehash all that is in this video to discuss these ships! This video could have been two minutes! The rest? USELESS or KNOWN information!
I share with you not to insult you, or offend you. SO YOU KNOW! It's called, feedback!
Important to remember this could be someone’s first entry into Star Trek, David. While you may know all the facts, congrats, others may not. These videos are typically chaptered as well, meaning you can skip ahead and find the useful info you seek ;)
- Jack
Half this video is about everything else other than the ship.
That's what I was thinking. More like a Picard review
Awesome video!
It’s really just a kitbash, but makes a lot of sense. If the Sagan class are the latest and greatest, but the recent wars have made resources a little scarce, then the Echelons make a load of sense as Diet Sagans which only need a little bit of extra sauce (aka nacelles) to become full Sagans when you are able to afford that. Basically, you make a few Sagans, lots of Echelons, and then start adding the extra bits to the already existing frames so you eventually get the number of Sagans you really wanted.
The Sagan class sucks.
@@kyle857 you either love it or hate it. But if your heavy cruiser is basically a double light cruiser it’s a lot cheaper and easier to do. Both for a dockyard and a special effects team.
You know what they should have done was have starships that actually have a part of the hull the USS Defiant class ship, and when the ship leaves main starship a new hull retracts in place.
First time I saw this ship, I could not help thinking it looks like a 63 Buick Regal. 😀
The Enterprise F was a much cooler ship. They never should have did away with it.
Where's the deflector dish?!? 🤔
Is it just me or do I miss two rendered warp nacelles on one of the ships at 13:01. I see 2 floating bussard collectors. Ship right half side of screen above a Sovereign class.
Yeah on the Ross class, looks like they accidentally missed rendering the nacelles
Okay I'm sure someone else has said it, but its pronounced 'e-shell-on' not 'etch - el - on' :D
It's really annoying, one quick Google for a pronunciation check and this would have been avoided.
🤔 Do the actors get royalties for having their character likeness being used? 😏
Love the Titan’s overpowered impulse drives!
I'd have to go for a Sagen class as I'm partial to 4 nacelle ship designs.
Eshhalon!
not just me then....
This ship is perfect for Star Trek Online!!!
I would if it wasn't locked away in Star Trek Online's gambling box! Like so many cool ships.
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Do yourself a favor: just watch Star Trek videos and available episodes. The Star Trek in STFC is not Star Trek at all.
I really dislike the whole everything inside being dark in the starfleet ships now as if it indicates more futuristic ? If anything it's the opposite. I don't mean the carpet etc I mean the weird thing that it looks like 90% of the lights are just turned off in every section and room of the starfleet ships !?
🙄 "Making a (Neo) Class starship into an "Enterprise" Classification may be the most "TERRIBLE" decision the producers of (Picard) could have "EVER" made."’ 😮💨🤦
What's the point of the "Mid model" designator? Echelon Class Mid Model Starship is a mouthful but what's the point of the Naval Designation?
Does the neo constitution have ablative armor? I don't see much windows.
with the timeline catching up to Admiral Janeway in Voyagers endgame there's probably deployable ablative armour generators to cover weak points such as windows in the hull or there are holo viewscreens with sensors on the hull in place of them.
That was a major downgrade from the Enterprise F to the G. Like going from a Bugatti Veyron to a Kia Soul.
Starting at 12:57 you can see a warp nacelle-less Ross Class joining the fleet. Although this is a funny little fluke I’ve seen, thanks to these videos I’ve actually come across a lot of cool tidbits of stuff I had missed before, like the Titan’s repaired hull panels or the D’s partly unfinished hull in certain areas… however I think this Ross Class might be having bigger issues then a few missing maintenance panels 😅
Yes!!! I want a Sagan class on steroids!!!!,and a Carrier class with human and holographic crew also loaded up with enough firepower to take out a Borg central hub!!!!.
I would rather Captain a Ship Named U.S.S. Maroone!
Named for one of the Designers of the Star Trek Online Game! 😉
Sure, lets take a tactical assault ship & put the MARA right behind & above the bridge, visible to everyone. There's no way that could possibly be a weakness.
No money = kitbash. Which is interesting, given how much that classic Star Trek kitbashing was literally bashed by Drekkies.
I liked the part where centrilizatuon almost got earth killed. Dencentralized ftw
That shuttle craft is waaaay out of proportion to the main ship! Take a look at the docking procedure, it's bad. A ship that size would never be considered a shuttle.
yes! two bigger nacelles to not have the same range but faster with faster acceleration and less mass. dual warp core and armament is the same. maby because the reduced hardware shield bubble is smaller making its shields a little easier to keep up and that is it for tactical differences.
Someone forgot to say how much we Q love to play with the intelligence of lifeforms who are intelligent and show potential!!!!😂😊😎
Is that a California or parliament class inside earth Starbase in the background?
They all use the same warp nacelles. It's not that difficult to model a warp nacelle.
Not sure if it's already been done, but theories on what happened to Borg Queen jurati after season two, because they kinda left it open, that is if it was purposely done so it can be revisited in another future series
Captaining a starship is for children. Designing starships is what interesting.
Yeah, which means they didn't need Picard's, for any reason.
Lazy design for a new enterprise. Pretty dish though.
The highlighter module is an advanced targeting module that highlights enemy sub systems for better target acquisition !
Starfleet needs to stop packing their ships with rocks.
Stop picking apart every detail! i'm from the 60's and NCC-1701 was my god. In my day i never dreamed of a NCC-1701F but holy crap it's beautiful! Go with the flow!
This is what we enjoy doing :) It's not picking apart the detail in a negative way. We're teaching others.
- Jack
Why do they have to use that ugly-ass excelsior type Hull??
I play that game in the advertisement and it doesn't play like that lol
What ever happened to the new Star Gazer after we last seen it in Picard season two
Shelby dyeing was the only good thing is session 3
It's weird when this happens but I was just thinking of the genesis device just seconds before you mentioned it. The thought was that they could potentially use it to create a planet like the dilithium one in discovery season 3. The idea of which is that now they have access to the planet they can give more precise instructions on how to create another one.
Can the new owners make legacy now thanks
This is just a recap of Picard S3.
Overall, I've loved the starship designs seen in Picard Season 3. I like the more consistent use of the same nacelle design on different vessels, for example. I wonder if the Echelon class' traceable weapons, however, would be found on other more combat-oriented ships as well. This seems like a tactical advancement that should be utilized across the fleet, at least in my opinion.
Shame that nacelle design is so ugly.
@@kyle857 I actually really like it, probably because it's not smoothly designed and looking the same from end to end. But, infinite diversity in infinite combinations, I suppose!
1:17 I'm currently playing it
Interesting tidbit about woman behind the USS Cole. I thought Matalas has named the ship after the protagonist from his other show 12 Monkeys - also named Cole
How big was probert station
I would be proud to captain an Echelon class! It's a beautiful looking ship.🖖🙄🤘🇨🇦
i've wondered if the shapes the formation-ed ships were in - do they mean anything? they look kind of like musical notes which make me think they could be vulcan?
anyone know?
Echelon class? It has a dinky deflector because it lacks a secondary hull. Not having one is one of many science inconsistencies Star Trek has. For safety reasons they should not be able to go as fast as those that have much larger ones.
Wait lmao is that rly how they tell sponsees to market a Star Trek game? Dominating the galaxy? Wrong franchise
This class feels to me like an evolution of Texas Class rather than aletrnate of Segan. It would fit "a Borg" like set of mind Starfleet were following.
i wish they put those tracking weapons in game.....star trek online it could be a way to stop all the Un targetable crap in game
I will be honest, I personally would not pilot this particular starship, as I have better starships available to pilot.
I LOATH SECTION 31.
that is a great design
coming to Star Trek Online lockbox simulator soon.
I think I like this better than the Sagan. The 4 nacelles are too busy
I would enjoy commanding one of those ships.
nice design
A tuna celled starship, who knew?
Must be crewed by stormtroopers 🤣🤣🤣
Definitely that ship looks bad ass
Those are called Isolinear Tidepods.
hell yes i would captain one
What a boring design
The Echelon Class Starship is awesome, as is usually the case with most carefully thought-out designs of Star Trek ships. 👍👍👍 Kudos!!!
That back end is horrible imo.
@@kyle857 I like your observation. The back end does look more than just a little different from what we're used to seeing. But I think that it just gives it a heck of a lot more character than would have been the case otherwise. Seen from some frontal angles, those nacelles look like wings.
"DRINK" everytime the footage repeats ✌
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I like it. Likely my second favorite after the the Luna class and gona have to push the Akira class to 3rd for me.
Although that Shran class....
Ugh. This is so much worse than the Akria to me. The akria has beautiful flowing lines, this is just clunkey.
Satan class..? WTF???
Sagan Class - Dom
@@TrekCentral Lolz...🤣
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But how fast can it warp
9.6 I think.
Star Trek Picard Season 3...simply amazing and a love letter to all TNG fans.
#notmyenterprise
You’re right! This is not the Enterprise..
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@@TrekCentral you know what I mean cap'n
I'm not sure what video I clicked on, but we can all relate to wanting our bed when the day/night has us too much of us.
Cheers Jack