Love this ship. You literally can have about (10) Saber-Classes, (10) Defiant classes, (2) intrepid classes , and (2) Akira classes and that would be one badass and effective assault fleet in the Dominion War
I'd replace the Intrepid with the Steamrunner, Intrepid is more of a multirole/exploration ship, designed to survive long term. Steamrunner is more of a warship.
@@Anton3055 That is why I kept them. The multi-role/exploration (scanners/sensors) to coordinate with the Sabers suite to give that multi-data/multi-sensor tracking and targeting, but also fast and agile (which is why I would not use a Nebula class) I relegated the Akira to the torpedo gunboat/carrier warship (tank) role. I think this would be way more effective (build time, personnel, firepower, resources, etc.) than say (3) Galaxy class.
I always thought these straight up warships should have regularly been assigned to various starbases/outposts, much as the Defiant was assigned to DS9. The idea being they weren’t always needed, and when needed they would be mainly staffed by the base’s/outpost’s crew, although each would have a small full time crew to keep the vessels combat ready. Theship class assigned being based of outpost/starbase size, with smallish outposts having a defiant class assigned, with larger outposts/bases being assigned larger and possibly even multiple ships
Yeah, they seem to be the modern replacement to the Miranda-class, small and fast destroyers meant to bulk up larger fleets, or form wolfpacks on their own.
In Beta Canon the most notable saber class is the USS da Vinci, NCC-81623. Its a Starfleet Corps of Engineers ship captained by David Gold and later by Sonya Gomez.
The Saber classes are definitely an interesting design. By the way for R2 appearing in a Star Trek film it would be Star Trek Into Darkness and when the Vengeance catches up with the Enterprise while at warp and fires on it. When it creates its first hull breach that's when you see R2 flying out. Of course you can miss it if you blink literally.
Didn't the Saber class have the option of a long range *phaser lance* installed above the front shuttle bay? The in universe explanation is the Federation council thought it was too warlike so Starfleet engineers removed it on most of the main production run but left the hardware intact to have it quickly retrofitted.
Been reading the Starfleet Corps of Engineers books lately. Love the Saber-class da Vinci in those books. Nice to see a master systems display for the class in this video.\
I purchased Star Trek Strange New Worlds because of your reviews. It is on DVD and I truly enjoyed Season One. It seems to me the best of all Star Treks.
There was a game in the 90's focused around the Dominion War and you could weidl a Lcar construction supplemental program with that 3d visual space sim combat game to design and construct ships for use the Sabre, Defient, Steamrunner, Galaxy, Reliant, and B'rel ship classes were default to craft you one ship of from the get go.
Wolf 369 lasted 11 minutes ( battle) the battle in first contact. Was more than 3 hours. And started in the typhoon system with sector 001 as the fall back position. .
I believe the first wave of ships were older classes IE Miranda, Galaxy , Excelsior class etc a tactic designed to confuse the Borg. The second wave of ships were the newer more advanced anti Borg starships, mixed with older classes
As a vessel made for a similar purpose but of a larger construction as the Defiant class, one would assume that the Saber class would have some kind of increased increased capacity in relation to the Defiant class. This could be in the overall amount of weapons, having better crew and storage facilities (for better range) or defensive systems for increased durability. It doesn't seam to have the missile type focus of the Steamrunner class or the 'build it small, and deadly with the maximum firepower and small crew' emphasis of the Defiant class. Instead it seems to be by far lighter armed (4 phaser emitters and 2 photon torpedo launchers) than the Defiant (4 phaser cannons, 3 phaser emitters and 6 torpedo launchers). In fact the only extra capabilities I can see in the Saber class over the Defiant class is that the Saber carries two shuttle craft (only 1 on the Defiant class). With a larger size making it easier to target than a Defiant and both ships having the same crew compliment I can't see any reason why Starfleet would build a Saber class over a Defiant class other than cost. I could see that with its dense design it would probably take longer to construct a Defiant class than a Saber class as well as fitting all those weapon systems has to be resource intensive. This means (at least as far as I can tell) the Saber has to be a 'budget version' of the Defiant class that is probably more easily put into mass production in order to make any sense at all.
@@casbot71 I get the original “necked” ships. Roddenbury wanted them to be completely distinct. Problem is I like visible practicality in a ship design. Say what you like of ISDs but the flying wedge is practical as hell for a purpose built war ship. The compact blended designs the “anti-borg” ships have just make more sense.
Please make the SteamRunner class breakdown. Honestly my favorite class of ship. One of many unique designs. The nacelles being integrated into the hull gives it such an intimidating stance.
None of the ships in First Contact were designed to fight the Borg except Defiant and Sovereign. Akira, Norway, Steamrunner and Saber all have old registry number dating during the Nebula class time period. ALL of them have 3 or 4 phasers. All but Akira have no photon torpedoes. None of them have any of the technology developed under the Advance Starship Design Bureau. Those Technologies are ( Multi-stream Warp Cores, Quantum Torpedoes, Ablative Armor or Regenerative Shields)
If the Defiant is a pissed-off tough little ship, the Saber is the slightly larger, beefier ship that wants to ruin your day. Besides being Borg-busters, I think the Sabers and Defiants are Starfleet's equivalents to the BOPs of the Klingon and Romulan Empires.
in truth i don't like the "labling" of these ships.. they list Defiant as an escort. its not, its a Corvette. Same size as an escort but much more firepower, and more geared for offensive then slower escorts. That would make the Sabre a Destroyer... small, maneuverable but punching well above its weight class in for short duration. Can act as an escort, rapid response, screen, or in a group on its own as a destroyer fleet. Steamrunner they call a Heavy Frigate, but Frigate doesn't fit its roll again, its a Light or Scout cruiser. (heavy frigates are "slow escorts with lots of firepower" defensive ships. Same roll as the Heavy/Destroyer Leader class, except most nations just folded those into the Light Cruiser classes. Norway they call a medium cruiser... nope, light cruiser... And Akira being cruiser or heavy cruiser. thats the only one i agree with. Now this being said, they could have miss named them on purpose for PR reasons. Much like Japans Izumo-class destroyer - DDH-183, its a destroyer, really it is... at 26,000 tons, carrying 9 Helicopters and 12 F-35's. Its just a normal destroyer.. Or UK's Invincible-class Cruisers. 12 harriers, 10 helicopters. again, its a threw the deck cruiser, who's main armament is carried below decks and carried through it... on elevators. countries often "mis lable" ship classes to hide their true purpose while being built form the government/people.
The Sovereign class, a.k.a. 'Daddy's home!' We need to make an over armed battlecruiser that would make even the most battle mad Klingon take one look and say, 'hold on a minute!' Norway, Steamroller, Sabre, Defiant, Akira and Intrepid; in case Daddy wants to share!
Not sure if I like Saber. If I were to choose to battle the borg, I'd still pick defiant. Its smaller and easier to build, pack or damage, and more maneuverable.
There's no way it's easier to build. It has a cloaking device and it's hull structure barely handles the weapons load (per dialogue in the show). The Sabre makes more sense by having a slightly less impressive load but a larger hull mass, allowing for a less overly compact and thus, complex construction. I build aircraft in real life. Combat aircraft. Smaller + more complex and stealth equals 2x more difficult than legacy platforms.
To bad they don't equip the star trek universe starships with an upgraded version of the armor tech used on star trek voyager? Something like subspace nutroneum ablative armor, where the energy impacts, dissipate into subspace.
Too bad we couldn't rip the LCARS Utopia Planetia FLASH website when this was initially introduced in the late 90s. The flash website had been very interactive&the display is similar to the current Marmot 3d viewer. The original prototype had gone rogue to prove SFC how tough the small little ship as the project's difficulties similar to the Defiant was going to shut it down. Just like the Defiant being mothballed due to its overpowered warp core being difficult to operate, the crew&engineers stole it and having the local defense ships chase and shoot it down. It survived&was mass produced.
Nice, but it is still too long. I think that I will go for a pair of refitted Magee class light escorts and do the 369 weave on the coils myself. I don't want a larger ship, I need more nimble ships than the bulk carriers and science platforms that people keep showing me.... Something that can protect a large convoy of bulk carriers and cargo barges, that's what I'm going on about.
"It's the ship that made the Borg run in less than 2e-13 parsecs." "what?" "like 6 kilometers or something. When you're dealing with the Borg that's pretty damn close. Now, how much is this worth to you?"
Whenever people refer to Star Trek Games, they forget the Amarda I and II now III series that allow players to build and play with them. Star Trek Online is not that great of a platform from the time these ships first appeared.
It is hilarious that these small ships have tubolifts. Star Fleet's secret weakness... officers have no leg strength, can't walk very far down corridors or climb a ladder to anything more than one deck. They receive extra training to be able to use monumental stairways during away missions to avoid revealing the weak leg secret.
I am happily disagreeing with you, Captain Jack. The engines are built SOOO far away from the main hull, that they definitely ARE considered a weakness! The engines are right out there, literally screaming “Here, hit me! I’m an easy target, because some stupid idiot designed my engines to be easily blown apart, because they’re so pronounced & not protected AT ALL by ANY-THING!” I’d never serve on one of these ships, because I feel with the engines so easy to be targeted by enemy vessels, the ENTIRE ship is considered a death trap. Give me a Defiant Class any day. I mean…what were they thinking allowing this horrible design to be brought into producing?? I don’t even feel sorry for the ship design team. When they can make better ships, come talk to me. Until then, I’ll just sit out this one…
Love this ship. You literally can have about (10) Saber-Classes, (10) Defiant classes, (2) intrepid classes , and (2) Akira classes and that would be one badass and effective assault fleet in the Dominion War
I'd replace the Intrepid with the Steamrunner, Intrepid is more of a multirole/exploration ship, designed to survive long term. Steamrunner is more of a warship.
@@Anton3055 That is why I kept them. The multi-role/exploration (scanners/sensors) to coordinate with the Sabers suite to give that multi-data/multi-sensor tracking and targeting, but also fast and agile (which is why I would not use a Nebula class) I relegated the Akira to the torpedo gunboat/carrier warship (tank) role. I think this would be way more effective (build time, personnel, firepower, resources, etc.) than say (3) Galaxy class.
I would add a Steamrunner squadron. If limited to 24 ships I would shave two Sabers and two Defiants for Steamrunners.
@@Anton3055 Now, what would the Intrepid class do?
I always thought these straight up warships should have regularly been assigned to various starbases/outposts, much as the Defiant was assigned to DS9. The idea being they weren’t always needed, and when needed they would be mainly staffed by the base’s/outpost’s crew, although each would have a small full time crew to keep the vessels combat ready. Theship class assigned being based of outpost/starbase size, with smallish outposts having a defiant class assigned, with larger outposts/bases being assigned larger and possibly even multiple ships
Love the Saber class! I always thought they were the kind of ship that should be deployed in wings of 3-5 vessels.
Yeah, they seem to be the modern replacement to the Miranda-class, small and fast destroyers meant to bulk up larger fleets, or form wolfpacks on their own.
Yes, we definitely want to see more content like this. Steamrunner and more.
In Beta Canon the most notable saber class is the USS da Vinci, NCC-81623. Its a Starfleet Corps of Engineers ship captained by David Gold and later by Sonya Gomez.
That scene at 6:04 where the Dominion does the Kamikaze move still surprises me.
I had no idea the Falcon was in First Contact.
It was not Falcon but THE MILLENIUM FALCON you newb!
Artoo was in the Apocryphal JJ Abrams 2009 reboot, in the debris field of wrecked Starfleet ships.
If it was planetary landing capable it would have been a very useful general purpose ship - a Federation Bird of Prey.
The Saber classes are definitely an interesting design. By the way for R2 appearing in a Star Trek film it would be Star Trek Into Darkness and when the Vengeance catches up with the Enterprise while at warp and fires on it. When it creates its first hull breach that's when you see R2 flying out. Of course you can miss it if you blink literally.
R2 also appears in the debris field above Vulcan in the 2009 film. Seen on the view screen just as the enterprise arrives
These little guys are criminally underrated. I love the Saber-class!
I always enjoy the scene of the two galaxy's ganging up on the cardasin ship.
Didn't the Saber class have the option of a long range *phaser lance* installed above the front shuttle bay?
The in universe explanation is the Federation council thought it was too warlike so Starfleet engineers removed it on most of the main production run but left the hardware intact to have it quickly retrofitted.
Best shot at the end w the 2 Galaxy classes taking a run on that cardassian ship. Loved some DS9
Been reading the Starfleet Corps of Engineers books lately. Love the Saber-class da Vinci in those books. Nice to see a master systems display for the class in this video.\
I purchased Star Trek Strange New Worlds because of your reviews. It is on DVD and I truly enjoyed Season One. It seems to me the best of all Star Treks.
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I did not know the falcon was in First Contact. now that i do, I love the movie and ILM even more than I already did.
There was a game in the 90's focused around the Dominion War and you could weidl a Lcar construction supplemental program with that 3d visual space sim combat game to design and construct ships for use the Sabre, Defient, Steamrunner, Galaxy, Reliant, and B'rel ship classes were default to craft you one ship of from the get go.
AT 1:42 There is a layout of the Sabre. In the aft part of the ship is a section for "Moonshine". hehe
Looks like a tough cool ship. I like these unique designs more then the Enterprise style
Wolf 369 lasted 11 minutes ( battle) the battle in first contact. Was more than 3 hours. And started in the typhoon system with sector 001 as the fall back position. .
I believe the first wave of ships were older classes IE Miranda, Galaxy , Excelsior class etc a tactic designed to confuse the Borg. The second wave of ships were the newer more advanced anti Borg starships, mixed with older classes
@marksouthwell4490 yes agreed. The ships were hear on the audio are ( endeavour) nebula. And ( Lemington) nebula.
Typhon Sector
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Please do all Borg Buster's. In detail. Plus nova
The Saber Class is an excellent star fighter!! 🖖🖖
I have a particular affinity for the smaller effect ships and the state of the art ones that get tossed away like Prometheus & Protostar in cannon
As a vessel made for a similar purpose but of a larger construction as the Defiant class, one would assume that the Saber class would have some kind of increased increased capacity in relation to the Defiant class. This could be in the overall amount of weapons, having better crew and storage facilities (for better range) or defensive systems for increased durability.
It doesn't seam to have the missile type focus of the Steamrunner class or the 'build it small, and deadly with the maximum firepower and small crew' emphasis of the Defiant class. Instead it seems to be by far lighter armed (4 phaser emitters and 2 photon torpedo launchers) than the Defiant (4 phaser cannons, 3 phaser emitters and 6 torpedo launchers). In fact the only extra capabilities I can see in the Saber class over the Defiant class is that the Saber carries two shuttle craft (only 1 on the Defiant class).
With a larger size making it easier to target than a Defiant and both ships having the same crew compliment I can't see any reason why Starfleet would build a Saber class over a Defiant class other than cost. I could see that with its dense design it would probably take longer to construct a Defiant class than a Saber class as well as fitting all those weapon systems has to be resource intensive. This means (at least as far as I can tell) the Saber has to be a 'budget version' of the Defiant class that is probably more easily put into mass production in order to make any sense at all.
I did like the “anti borg” ships.
I wish they'd kept that paradigm instead of going back to the chiche primary + secondary hull plus two nacelles on pylons look.
@@casbot71 I get the original “necked” ships. Roddenbury wanted them to be completely distinct. Problem is I like visible practicality in a ship design. Say what you like of ISDs but the flying wedge is practical as hell for a purpose built war ship. The compact blended designs the “anti-borg” ships have just make more sense.
@@casbot71 *cliche
There was nothing anti borg about these ships
The Star Trek Encyclopedia and ILM both used the American spelling, "Saber", and the British spelling, "Sabre", in several places.
A defiant+saber class now that's a lovechild I'd love to see! That would be a mean looking starship!
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I'm just gonna say it: I like the Saber class more than the Defiant class. It's very sleek and actually looks like a warship.
Sabre is MY FAVOURITE Trek class❤❤❤
Please make the SteamRunner class breakdown. Honestly my favorite class of ship. One of many unique designs. The nacelles being integrated into the hull gives it such an intimidating stance.
Now this is more like it really looks the part ❤
None of the ships in First Contact were designed to fight the Borg except Defiant and Sovereign.
Akira, Norway, Steamrunner and Saber all have old registry number dating during the Nebula class time period. ALL of them have 3 or 4 phasers. All but Akira have no photon torpedoes.
None of them have any of the technology developed under the Advance Starship Design Bureau.
Those Technologies are ( Multi-stream Warp Cores, Quantum Torpedoes, Ablative Armor or Regenerative Shields)
If the Defiant is a pissed-off tough little ship, the Saber is the slightly larger, beefier ship that wants to ruin your day.
Besides being Borg-busters, I think the Sabers and Defiants are Starfleet's equivalents to the BOPs of the Klingon and Romulan Empires.
The USS Defiant and the IKS Rotarran; name a more iconic duo!
R2D2 is in star trek 2009🎉
I consider this the Federation's Bird of prey.
When Star Trek infinite comes out, please make a few videos on that!
I want to see more of that
Thanks!
Cheers Jack
Would you guys ever consider covering the 'Grissom' Class Light Science Vessel? My favourite design from Star Trek Online...
love to the steamrunner ships and akira
The most important thing in a ship made to fight the Borg is a very reliable, independently-wired, self-destruction system.
I remember hearing about the Falcon in First Contact. R2 is in the New Trek movie when the Kelvin is attacked at the start of the movie I think
I pretty sure it was in the debris field around Vulcan when the Enterprise first comes out of warp in Star Trek 2009
It's in the Debris field in ST 09.
in truth i don't like the "labling" of these ships..
they list Defiant as an escort. its not, its a Corvette. Same size as an escort but much more firepower, and more geared for offensive then slower escorts.
That would make the Sabre a Destroyer... small, maneuverable but punching well above its weight class in for short duration. Can act as an escort, rapid response, screen, or in a group on its own as a destroyer fleet.
Steamrunner they call a Heavy Frigate, but Frigate doesn't fit its roll again, its a Light or Scout cruiser. (heavy frigates are "slow escorts with lots of firepower" defensive ships. Same roll as the Heavy/Destroyer Leader class, except most nations just folded those into the Light Cruiser classes.
Norway they call a medium cruiser... nope, light cruiser...
And Akira being cruiser or heavy cruiser. thats the only one i agree with.
Now this being said, they could have miss named them on purpose for PR reasons.
Much like Japans Izumo-class destroyer - DDH-183, its a destroyer, really it is... at 26,000 tons, carrying 9 Helicopters and 12 F-35's. Its just a normal destroyer..
Or UK's Invincible-class Cruisers. 12 harriers, 10 helicopters. again, its a threw the deck cruiser, who's main armament is carried below decks and carried through it... on elevators.
countries often "mis lable" ship classes to hide their true purpose while being built form the government/people.
Officially star fleet doesn't believe in warships. Escorts are okay.
Looks just like a Klingon bird of prey in reverse.
The Sovereign class, a.k.a. 'Daddy's home!' We need to make an over armed battlecruiser
that would make even the most battle mad Klingon take one look and say, 'hold on a minute!'
Norway, Steamroller, Sabre, Defiant, Akira and Intrepid; in case Daddy wants to share!
Not sure if I like Saber. If I were to choose to battle the borg, I'd still pick defiant. Its smaller and easier to build, pack or damage, and more maneuverable.
There's no way it's easier to build. It has a cloaking device and it's hull structure barely handles the weapons load (per dialogue in the show).
The Sabre makes more sense by having a slightly less impressive load but a larger hull mass, allowing for a less overly compact and thus, complex construction.
I build aircraft in real life. Combat aircraft. Smaller + more complex and stealth equals 2x more difficult than legacy platforms.
No, I thought it loooked like a N64 controller WELL before it was mentioned here 😂😂😂
To bad they don't equip the star trek universe starships with an upgraded version of the armor tech used on star trek voyager? Something like subspace nutroneum ablative armor, where the energy impacts, dissipate into subspace.
the saber class could take up the roll that the tos era archer class did
Too bad we couldn't rip the LCARS Utopia Planetia FLASH website when this was initially introduced in the late 90s. The flash website had been very interactive&the display is similar to the current Marmot 3d viewer. The original prototype had gone rogue to prove SFC how tough the small little ship as the project's difficulties similar to the Defiant was going to shut it down. Just like the Defiant being mothballed due to its overpowered warp core being difficult to operate, the crew&engineers stole it and having the local defense ships chase and shoot it down. It survived&was mass produced.
LOL, i build ST Ships, all in 1400 scale and i have also the statue of liberty in 1400 for comparision :D
Nice, but it is still too long. I think that I will go for a pair of refitted Magee class light escorts and do the 369 weave on the coils myself. I don't want a larger ship, I need more nimble ships than the bulk carriers and science platforms that people keep showing me....
Something that can protect a large convoy of bulk carriers and cargo barges, that's what I'm going on about.
"It's the ship that made the Borg run in less than 2e-13 parsecs."
"what?"
"like 6 kilometers or something. When you're dealing with the Borg that's pretty damn close. Now, how much is this worth to you?"
When will the b-52 show?
The bridge is sitting there in a prominent position again, just asking to have forty shades of crap torpedoed and phasered out of it.
What is the tiny ship to the right of the Oberth?
I never understood why do starships only shoots only one phaser at a time why not just go full on light show in battles
R2d2 is in Star Trek into darkness
When will you return to Star Trek Online ?
Wait.....the Saber class is bigger than the prometheus class????
Funny how in Star Trek online the galaxy class and the refit are worthless and the falcon took one look at the battle said oh hell no and took off
Whenever people refer to Star Trek Games, they forget the Amarda I and II now III series that allow players to build and play with them. Star Trek Online is not that great of a platform from the time these ships first appeared.
Echelon class starship Technocal Information please
We did a video on the Echelon Class Starship earlier this year actually! Check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/u0f6kOBCl7Y/v-deo.html - Dom
Is one named U.S.S. Pendragon
40 crew- less than a Defiant class, but it’s bigger?? Makes no sense!!
Sabre*
Wait R2 is in a starvtrek scene WHEN LOL
It is hilarious that these small ships have tubolifts. Star Fleet's secret weakness... officers have no leg strength, can't walk very far down corridors or climb a ladder to anything more than one deck. They receive extra training to be able to use monumental stairways during away missions to avoid revealing the weak leg secret.
An elevator during emergencies or battle is seriously dangerous too.
I am happily disagreeing with you, Captain Jack. The engines are built SOOO far away from the main hull, that they definitely ARE considered a weakness! The engines are right out there, literally screaming “Here, hit me! I’m an easy target, because some stupid idiot designed my engines to be easily blown apart, because they’re so pronounced & not protected AT ALL by ANY-THING!” I’d never serve on one of these ships, because I feel with the engines so easy to be targeted by enemy vessels, the ENTIRE ship is considered a death trap. Give me a Defiant Class any day. I mean…what were they thinking allowing this horrible design to be brought into producing?? I don’t even feel sorry for the ship design team. When they can make better ships, come talk to me. Until then, I’ll just sit out this one…
What’s a load of rubbish?
Star trek online da vinci. 25c. Saber