I was 10 yrs old when I saw ST TMP. The Transporter scene traumitzed me so bad, My dad let me watch The Exorcist for the first time, to get my mind off it...
Refit Constitution Class is and will always be my favorite ship. It’s the Ship I was introduced to when I became a ST fan back in the TWOK debut in 82’
I love the question they have to ask god why he needs a starship you'd think that if it was a real god it would have came up with some clever reason for the use of the starship
I love every enterprise and while D was my first something about the constitution class makes me feel like seeing an old friend in a long time. The classes of ships between era’s are so good like the enterprise c a weird mixture of the excelsior and a look into the future galaxy class.
One thing I didn't see mentioned here is that, I forget if this is canon, the Enterprise A in the prime timeline wasn't built specifically for Kirk, it was rechristened Enterprise with the original being the USS Yorktown NCC-1717. In the Kelvin Timeline, there's a nice little George Lucas "it's like poetry, it rhymes" moment where the Enterprise A was built at Starbase Yorktown.
The on screen evidence for the Enterprise A being an entirely new ship is far more compelling than any evidence for the ship being a rechristened Yorktown. In fact, there is no on screen evidence for that at all. There is also some beta canon evidence suggesting the Enterprise A was a different, yet newer Constitution altogether. Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise even states the ship was originally the U.S.S. Ti-Ho. I'm not saying definitively that the Enterprise isn't the Yorktown but I find little reason to believe it is. Lastly, given that the Yorktown's bridge can be seen in Star Trek IV and that the crew of the ship acted pretty valiantly after being disabled by the Whale probe, I'd say it would have been a slap in the face to take the Yorktown away from its crew, rename the ship, ignore the Yorktown's legacy and give it to Kirk. Though ignoring a ship's legacy isn't unheard as this was done to the Titan-A by renaming it to the Enterprise G.
It was my understanding that they rechristened Yorktown to Enterprise A as a Reward/Punishment for Kirk. It was a old starship which is why they have so many issues with it in ST5. If you consider that then it's no wonder it was decommissioned 7 years later. It was probably 20 years old at that point. Plus it could have been a refit as well.
@@Spamsmoothie1701 the Enterprise A might have originally been the Yorktown if A they had an Excelsior class Yorktown on the way and B the Yorktown originally went through it's 2 refits from the TOS configuration ( from TOS-> Phase 2 and from there to TMP style). It would also be the Ti Ho in a similar vein.
Love the A. It's my favorite Enterprise. My next favorite ship is the Excelsior. The ships of that era had a certain beauty to them that the later ones lost.
I love the Enterprise A. Was glad to see she got a place at the fleet museum. I named my current car after her and bears her name and registration number on the back.
@@alasdairgardiner2313 Enterprise-A was not the original, what was destroyed in Serach of Spock. Fortunately it is possible that original was actually, a refit of NX Enterprise and its saucer could be replaced during refit in 2270's and refitted back into NX. So maybe it actually did survived in that form?
I grew up with TOS and the Enterprise-1701 and the Enterprise-1701A are my favs. Something about the shape of the saucer. As a model builder, I have always appreciated their lines. Nothing against the newer models, especially the " E " model. Oh yeah. They carry the name well. I know the first two are dated, but then again so am I. Thank you for posting. Take care and God Bless from Florida.
I nearly sobbed out of happiness seeing the-A being in the museum because it's probably the last thing from Kirk's legacy to survive. It's also my favorite ship from the Enterprise lineage. Oh and about the Borg, let them rest. They have been done to death and it's time to move on to new enemies. P.S. I love your commentary on Star Trek. It's pretty funny, especially that "POOR STARDRIVE" bit in the Enterprise-D video.
Stick around things about to get more crazy then a Klingon squirrel on caffeine Kirk’s remains were brought to the same place data was and if the display read outs were correct picards mission to go back in time was successful but as far as Kirk and universe know he is dead he is in cryostasis
The Enterprise-A definitely earned her place in history, but I would rate the Enterprise-C higher in that category. The Enterprise-A helped save the Khitomer Conference and the tentative treaty with the Klingons--but it was the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C at Narendra III that REALLY impressed the Klingons and turned that tenuous treaty into an official alliance with the Federation.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sela back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be from 4 to 1 to 5 to 4 against the Romulans at Narendra III . The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..This would impress the Klingnons moreso because the Enterprise-C went into the future and returned to bring the three Klingnon Bird of Prey (and Enterprise-D)to battle the Romulans. What sense would a destroyed Enterprise C be if the Romulans destroyed the Klingnon outpost at Narendra III.
@@danmiguel1260 Because the Klingons value sacrificing ones self in battle, especially since it was the Federation. The Enterprise C sacrificing itself in battle is what solidified the foundation of the Klingon/Federation alliance.
@@paulnicholson5997 I think that there's more to the story of the Enterprise-C. What would be a better senario is for Enterprise-D to enter the time rift(along with the 3 Klingnon warbirds) to fight the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be the sacrifice, sparing the Enterprise-C(Enterprise-D transferring all data information to the ship to give to Star Fleet Intelligence). The other Klingnon warshipship would look at Enterprise-D's sacrifice the change that leads to peace since they can't return to their future timeline. This would be the best outcome to the story. I would love to see Enterprise C at the Fleet museum next to Enterprise-D(Prime timeline)
@Dan Miguel I get what you saying and it would definitely be a very interesting plot for the D to go back thru the rift. But you know how Starfleet Officers are trained in Temporal Mechanics and why not to break the time line. But that would be an altered reality/timeline? The Ent-C was an Ambassador class vessel, It would be cool to see one at S.F. Museum though. Try S.T. online if you haven't already, you get to pilot an Ambassador Class ship in the game, it's pretty cool.
"..a Conie II class..." THANK YOU for saying it, it felt like I was the only YT commentor calling the Refits Constitution II-class in the comments. PS, the A had a multi-year history before the rename, either as Yorktown (was she a 30-year old Conie I?) or Ti Ho _(Mr. Scott's Guide ro the Enterprise)._ Kirk wasn't rewarded with a brand new ship, he was given what was available, and informally told 'now this wreck is your problem.'
The first Enterprise will always bring a tear to my eye, just like your first car as she was my first back in 1969, yes there was a time you had to wait a week to see the next show.
I have wanted to see the Enterprise a back on screen since they launched the Next Generation. This is by far my favorite ship the way it's designed laid out overall aesthetic. Like Jack Crusher said I'm definitely a constitution man
I came up with a new way to reinvigorate ST once. Basically, it's the distant future, an invasion sent most species either extinct or back to the stone age. Humanity on earth is just now getting back into space and they happen to find a ship that survived because it had been made into a museum. The Enterprise A. The computers were wiped and much of the tech stripped, like the transporters, but the engines still worked so earth got her up and running again to set out to figure out what happened in the galaxy, the war was forgotten by now, and regain contact with other worlds.
9:08 correction: the enterprise was sent to escort kronos 1 to the meeting on earth originally. the meeting location changed to khitomer only after the assassination at the request the new chancellor.
This was a great vid!!! I'm not a huge fan of Star Trek, but I do like it a lot. Videos like this are really fun for me. I get lots of new info and the guy making these vids is Funny!! Thanks for all your hard work researching, producing, and posting ALL of your great content!!! Live long and prosper everyone!!
the Enterprise-A did get its goodbye moment it was the battle between the cloaked Bird of Prey and had the bonus element of having Sulu the one character to have moved on to come back and stand by his friends in the Excelsior and make the odds just even enough and hold on just long enough to slay the bad guy, then do the long goodbye like in every classic western and then the ride off into the sunset with the final log entry.
imo the refit and original are about equally great but I think most of the SNW enterprise is a downgrade from these two except the neck shape being an improvement over the original. The SNW enterprise is just off to me. I would have preferred a slightly modernized original rather than a whole new design.
Well, it puts SNW In a different time line than STO, TNG, DS9 and STV but personally I think it looks better than STO Enterprise but not nearly as nice as the A.
@@tarrantwolf Being visually different doesn't mean it's in a different time line. Even in tos the enterprise went through some major refits. The busard collector originally had an antenna sticking out before being removed. The color also changed three times from solid red to solid orange during pikes time to translucent orange in Kirk's time. Also the current enterprise look is close to what Gene Roddenberry had envisioned but could not do due to budget and technical restraints of the 1960's
@zomfragger It's a retcon no matter how much pretzel twisting that goes on explaining it. The Real Enterprise is the TOS era Constitution class Starship no matter how old and dated it is🖖
I recall reading somewhere that Kirk and Crew were given a dysfunctional Enterprise A on purpose as part of their punishment. Can't find that source any more though. But given recent portrayals of Starfleets not so nice side, it would make sense.
That was a theory someone had which on UA-cam honestly was a stupid concept put forth with a lot of thought. Starfleet risking the lives of hundreds of crew men to punish Kirk makes zero sense when they could have just tossed him in prison for stealing the original enterprise.
@@JazmanGames The funny thing is the President and star fleet thanked Kirk for saving the planet again. They demoted him to Captain as a reward and they knew Kirk was happier as a Captain and not an Admiral. So there is really no reason why they would want to punish him anyway.
@@spiralinglight Non-Canon story. However, it would be cool to see both the Enterprise-B and Enteprise-C at the Fleet Museum. Especially, Enterprise-C. You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sela back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be from 4 to 1 to 5 to 4 against the Romulans at Narendra III . The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..This would impress the Klingnons moreso because the Enterprise-C went into the future and returned to bring the three Klingnon Bird of Prey (and Enterprise-D)to battle the Romulans. What sense would a destroyed Enterprise C be if the Romulans destroyed the Klingnon outpost at Narendra III.
The A taking on the Borg would have been a little too "suspension of disbelief"-breaking, but I thought they were going to use it to dodge the fleet when they realized the Titan-A, being connected to the fleet network, was being tracked. Once they spent so much time giving the A attention, I thought it pre-dating the fleet network would have been their escape, though I did find the Bounty's cloak to be a creative solution as well.
The Enterprise-A wouldn't have stood a chance. Unlike the other Connie II types that were still in service by the 2360s, the A never even got retrofitted with updated weapons, shields, or systems. I think that the only reason it and the OG Connie representative USS New Jersey (one of a couple of fitting nods to showrunner Terry Matalas) got focused on so hard was probably to highlight the lines and angles and the similarity that the new Connie III has in common.
@@DragoonMS I'm not saying it would have been useful in combat, certainly not after the Fleet Formation was active, just that it would have been a reasonable stealth alternative while they were on the run mid-season. The writing kept the Titan-A available for use in the season climax, and was satisfyingly creative.
I found it a hell of a stretch to believe that an early 2280's Klingon-designed B'rel class cloaking device, (around 120 years old in 2401), could still be as effectively undetectable as it was after being installed aboard the much-larger U.S.S. Titan...🤔
@@charlestaylor253 cloaking devices work *really* well when no one is looking for a cloaked ship. When you run into trouble and technological arms races is when people are actively looking for a cloaked ship in the area and have a decent idea of what they’re looking for in the first place. A modern Starfleet ship running an ancient Klingon cloaking device is probably not going to be emitting any sort of background readings that anyone would expect - anything they do pick up on sensors is probably going to look weird. Defiant got into trouble even with her Romulan cloak because her warp reactor was so overpowered that it was hard to keep stray emissions down unless they were moving relatively slowly.
If you are going to refer to Kelvin timeline movies numerically, you should follow the longstanding naming convention already used and even referenced too many times to count in this very video. I.e. add an 'A' to them.
Man, that movie theater came to a deafening roar watching Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, and seeing the Enterprise-A popping over the Excelsior!!! I loved the original NCC-1701, but still love the "A."
The Enterprise A was tasked with escorting Gorkon to the peace talks on Earth, not Kitomer. Kitomer was the "secret" location to which the talks were moved after the assassination of Gorkon.
It is made very clear in Star Trek 6 that the Enterprise-A was NOT set to be decommissioned. Only the command crew were to be retired. The fact that the Enterprise-B came along later that year was the result of sloppy writing on the part of the "Generations" writers. They evidently didn't pay much attention to Star Trek 6--if they even watched it.
ST VI - The original destination for the peace conference was on Earth, not Khitomer. Only later, after the assassination, was it changed to another location, that turned out to be Khitomer.
My understanding is that 1701-A was put on display at the Starfleet Museum. She's kept fully Space-Worthy and often used in ceremonies & similar functions. Supposedly, it's been used by Academy Cadets. She was originally the Yorktown NCC-1717; given the same refit that the 1701 got just before the V'Ger crisis.
My understanding is that this version of starship was simply named the constitution refit, although if followed in FASA it was aptly named Enterprise class, due to the Enterprise being the first ship to be refitted. I've paused the video at 5:28 so if you're mentioning this after that time I'll know and sorry for stating such to quickly.
David Warner said in interviews that they apparently they just "forgot" that he was in Star Trek V when they hired him go play Gorkon in VI. He also said they again "forgot" when they got him to play the Cardassian in TNG. He was also brought in as a replacement last minute with no time to memorize his lines, so they had to use cue cards. He said if you pay attention he never once looks into the camera in that episode.
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but the enterprise a wasn't a rushed build of a new ship, it was the Yorktown which was re-commissioned as the enterprise. A. I'm not sure if that was Canon, though. I need to go back into my notes and see if I can find where the source is for that. My understanding for why the ship was so buggy. Was the damage done to the Yorktown when the probe disabled it. If you remember from the voyage home, there was a video scene where the Yorktown was transmitting the captains final log to Starfleet.
Ah yes I brought that up too, Just couldn't remember the earlier name of the ship. It was so beat up that they deemed it unrecoverable and parked in the mothball area. It was the second ship to get the refit after the Enterprise.
9:13 The Enterprise-A was escorting Kronos One to Earth. That was changed to a secret location after Gorkon's assassination, which is why Kirk had to contact Sulu to find out the conference was taking place on Khitomer.
I know it’s not ‘cannon’, but In the ‘Shatnerverse’ Novels, the Enterprise-A was destroyed after it was ‘donated’ to some sort of planetary defense force, where Kirk was commanding her. (A lot of material in those novels that would have made for some good movies or episodes.)
She was sold to the people of Eden to defend the planet. Kick only captained her after retiring in order to train her new Eden Captain (Ashes of Eden by William Shatner.)
In 1999, I had a story idea that the 1701A was found in the Delta Quadrant by Voyager. After the Khitomer battle, it was given to a new crew and refitted with, yet, another trans warp drive. During the first test flight, the vessel disappeared into the Delta Quadrant. Turns out 1701A's new warp drive disabled the inertia dampers. The crew was instantly killed, and the ship ran until it reached DQ. The ship, out of fuel, and considered cursed by local powers, was left in a bone yard for nearly a century before 7 noticed a Federation hulk. The 1701A was refueled, the inertia dampers repaired, and the warp drive corrected, was ready to take both Starfleet ships home, except for being stalked by a shunned alien desperately trying to find treasure to bring home. Using the Borg as a deadly distraction, he tries to slip in and steal the ship from under both parties. While 1701A did get Voyager home earlier than predicted it didn't survive the trip home. At least it had a end worthy of it's legacy. That was my idea... not that it was worth anything to the writers at the time.
Up until season 3 of Picard, I had a running theory that one of the destroyed Constitution class ships at Wolf 359 was in fact the NCC-1701 A, since at that point all we knew was that she had been decommissioned.
The only missions we know of the Enterprise A was during the incident with Spock's half brother Sybok and the other was the Praxis incident so it would be nice to know what Kirk and the others did in between 2285 and 2293.
Warping around. Bones still mad about spocks katra in his noggin. Spock constantly in the head because of bones beans....kirk is lost below decks and checkov is driving pretending he doesn't hear uhura talking dirty to Scotty on the comm. Meanwhile starfleet command is ringin the phone off the hook because they haven't answered since they went to that second star to the right.....
Here’s my bit of lore to fill in why the Enterprise-A was in the condition it was in STV that lends to it having been a re-christened USS Yorktown. The Yorktown having been damaged by the whale probe in the prior film was likely mostly repaired but still not 100% by the time it was “gifted” to Kirk as the new Enterprise. Spacedock engineers were likely at least able to restore all of the primary essential systems, but It was likely going to take Scotty and his engineers weeks chasing burnt-out or scrambled circuits in all the minor systems.
There is a huge potential for a series for the Ent-A after the Sybok stuff. It's implied in UC they have been doing some exploration: "What about all that equipment to catalog gaseous anomolies? Thing's gotta have a tailpipe!" Hopefully Paramount has a good plan.
the gaseous anomaly equipment at the start of the movie was on the Excelsior. somehow it managed to get onto Kirk's ship. Shatner screwed Takei one last time.
@@bagcpa All Federation ships need the ability to scan gaseous anomalies. It's one of their main things! Hell, remember the vampire cloud? Kirk would never let his ship go out again without the ability to scan what could ONLY be defined as a gaseous anomaly.
Yeah, with whole squads of holograms using 24th century versions of mobile emitters under command of the Doctor (temporarily reconfigured as the ECH) to get some $h¡t DONE! If they wanted to spend the money for the cgi, showrunners could have made cgi holo versions of their original crews, which would have been a nifty little way to get the old Enterprise team back into action even if it wasn't real (meaning holograms).
Picked up an AMT 1/537 not too long ago. A 1991 model with the lights and sounds. Can't wait to get all the aftermarket parts and decals thrown on. I'd like to think a few refit Constitutions served in light roles into the 2370s.
Star Trek apparently really loves David Warner. They gave him all kinds of major , good roles. He was also Jack the Ripper in the movie Time After Time, and the 1990s Outer Limits.
I would like to see a story line in which retired ships and museum ships were up gunned and pressed into service as Starfleet's First fleet protecting Earth along with brand new ships still undergoing their shakedown cruises. Equip them with more powerful shields, extra torpedo bays, and bolt on phaser strips (maybe saying the modifications had already been designed by the offgoing crews and the equipment stored in the ships in case of war) and they could be potent adversaries. They wouldn't be fast enough for fleet use, but they could be used for local defense. Seeing up gunned old veteran ships operating alongside brand new, wet behind the ears, new construction ships to defeat the Breen attack would make for a good story. Especially if the old veterans turned out to not be vulnerable to the Breen energy dampening weapons and were the ones to finally defeat the Breen.
Well since you mentioned Star Trek IV, I'd like to see it made into a Star Trek short, maybe 10 minutes long where the USS Relativity emerged from a special distortion in 2233, and intercepts the Narda before it destroys the USS Kelvin, and instead of letting it engage they instead force the Narda back to the 2380's prime timeline, and then wipe the databanks on the Kelvin while erasing their memories of the event thus resetting the timeline.
oh? if there was a tmp connie in that DS9 fleet my suspicion is the DS9 producers decided not to name that that connie cuz it was not within their intention or part of the battle script so that connie was nothing more than an unidentified consitution class ship that was never mentioned by the producers in the DS9 eppisode sacrafice of the angels.
I think you might be thinking about the TNG episode The best of both worlds part 2 when they used the self-destruct Enterprise model from ST3 in the graveyard scene.
just went through that again to look for it. In the opening scene of the fight, where the fleets are closing, there is one ship WAY at the back that MIGHT be a Constitution class, the profile is right and just a little different from all the Excelsior class ships in the fleet. What there ARE however are several Miranda class, yes the smaller Miranda, not the larger Soyuz class that looks just like it. they're flying next to the Defiant and are not much bigger than it. This is also the battle where most of the "on the way out" Galaxy Class ships get destroyed, this is around the time the Sovereign class is introduced.
@@James-rn7dx There were Constitution Class vessels in the Dominion War taking on the Dominion. There were rumors that A was retrofitted and was in the battle and was feared because of the name Enterprise.
The Yorktown like the Enterprise was one of those original 12 Constitution class. The Yorktown was refitted just like the Enterprise was. Eventually The Yorktown was rechristened to Enterprise-A and decommissioned and put in the Fleet Museum. In 2270, the USS Yorktown's bridge is destroyed during a Klingon attack near the Romulan Neutral Zone.
In Picard S3, they had Kirk's body at the section 31 storehouse - it would have been a hoot if they had revived him and put him in charge of the A to help against the Borg threat in some way (perhaps having the rest of the station crew from the ship storehouse as short-term crew)
Star Trek V is a guilty pleasure for me. Although the movie is good until they reach the Great Barrier then it shoots itself in the foot after. I love the Connie Refit so was happy to see the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek IV The Voyage Home. People are right that non cannon stuff showed the Enterprise-A was re-christened from the U.S.S. Yorktown, it sort of makes sense. The Yorktown could have been in service for a very short time before encountering the whale probe. She probably had to be towed back to Spacedock if her systems weren't restored by the Whale Probe. Which would make Scotty's statement, "I think this new ship was put together by monkey's. Oh she's got a fine engine but half the doors won't open and guess who's job it is to make it right?" Regarding the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond...I've got a 3D printed model of the Beyond E-A and I will say she's so much better looking than the other three versions of the 1701 on how she appeared. I mean there's still a couple of things I don't like from it but overall it is a huge improvement from the 1701 from the first two Kelvin movies.
The Enterprise A was originally the USS Ti-Ho. Unlike the original Enterprise which was refitted, the Ti-Ho was constructed as a refit Constitution class. The ship was used as a test bed for the transwarp drive as the Excelsior was being built. After the transwarp technology proved a failure both the Excelsior and Ti-Ho were fitted with conventional warp drives. When the original Enterprise was destroyed over the Genesis planet the Federation decided to recommission and rename the Ti-Ho into the Enterprise A. The rush to do this created most of the problems seen later on.
The U.S.S. Yorktown NCC-1717, a Constitution-Class heavy cruiser, was severely damaged by the whale probe during the events of Star Trek IV, "The Voyage Home", after the probe departed Sol system, the Yorktown was recovered and repaired, and then it was re-christened as U.S.S Enterprise NCC-1701-A. It is unclear what happened to the crew of the Yorktown, that being said, the Enterprise-A was already as old as the old Enterprise, the entire Constitution-Class was being phased out in favor of the Excelsior-Class. 🖖
I had hoped that would be the case with the A, however, I seem to recall someone saying it was a recommissioned ship that was renamed the Enterprise 1701-A. Which would explain why it was in such awful shape when they launched it. A mothballed ship sitting in some junkyard, suddenly powered up and ran over to the space dock certainly explains why it needed so much TLC from Scotty. Kirk was demoted, and while not given any other repercussions for his actions, it only makes sense they would do that to him and his crew as punishment. If anyone could bring it back up to specs+ it was Scotty!
I've never understood the short life of ships in Star Trek; you'd think with the number of resources used, they'd have a minimum of 50-70-year lifespans.
Also keep in mind, of the first block of Constitutions launched, _Enterprise_ was one of the rare ones to actually finish a five year mission. Quite a few were destroyed, disappeared or even hit with friendly fire (The Ultimate Computer)
I mean... not so short of lifespans. The Enterprise was under Pike before Kirk, and it was under Kirk for decades before damage caused decommissioning. The Excelsior class had a stupid long life, over 80 years and still getting refits. The Galaxy class only really got phased out because it was an apartment in space during the Dominion war, and most of them were destroyed. Most of the "unique" ships we're familiar with, where there's just one example, are ships that were lost. destroyed, or presumed destroyed. So we really don't know if there's any still in service or not, but a bunch of stuff did get pulled out of mothballs a few times when the Federation needed extra ships fast.
The Constitutions that survived all lasted 40+ years before decommissioning, We see Excelsiors and Mirandas all over the place in TNG and DS9, taking place some 75 years after they were "new". Seems to track well enough. In universe, it's also possible that sudden leaps in technology cause some space frames to be less suitable to a long life than other ones. My head cannon is that the Constitution just wasn't well suited to the vertical style warp core and/or was otherwise incompatible with what is referred to as "transwarp" in the films, and what is just the standard warp scale in TNG and beyond. The sudden change in technology left the Constitutions severely limited compared to Excelsiors for long range and exploration, while being too much to maintain compared to mirandas for "local" work. (Also have the head canon that the Mirandas were built as a means of repurposing all the old, horizontal style, warp cores from ships refit to the vertical ones.)
One thing more, Admiral Morrows statement in Search for Spock that the ship was 20 years old was grossly inaccurate. It was launched in 2245 and served until 2285 when it was scuttled over the genesis planet. So it was 40 years old from it's original construction and through it's refit for the movies. (as per Memory Alpha)
(5:45) I completely forgot about the fifth movie. My memory just jumps from the fourth to the sixth. Which I do love the sixth movie perhaps the most.🤔
I’d love to see Enterprise A see more voyages with up to date hardware, weapons , shields , engines , ect . May the Famous Kirk Enterprise show the Universe why she is so famous!
The Enterprise-A is the 3rd UFP starship to bear the name Enterprise, and the 5th starship all included 1st: Nasa Space Shuttle Enterprise 2nd: A space orbiter christened Enterprise (ENT and TMP, mentioned only) 3rd: UE, then UFP USS Enterprise NX-01 4th: UFP USS Enterprise NCC-1701 5th: USS Enterprise-A
I'd like to see someone take out the A from the shipyards and obtain info on project Phoenix and find out what happened to James T Kirk. Maybe Sulu or Checkov? Need to know Kirk's status after Picard
4.3K Thumbs Up + Mine! 👍 You're welcome! Thanks! 😊 Notes: Ambassador Talbot?! A Smoker?! (See "Waterworld"!) Either I never noticed that before, or I blocked it or forgot it, or it is from a version that I'm not familiar with. Hmm. 🤔 But anyway, since I can't access "Paramount +" those scenes from the series streamed there are new to me. So, thanks for the sneak peeks! 😊 Ironically, your video about their fates started a debate about their origins! Well, except for the second one as we got to witness the construction of it. 🖖
Since they planned on decommissioning the original Enterprise in ST3, it makes sense that they would have been building the replacement ship. So, the Enterprise A shows up in ST4, is used in ST5, and in ST6. Just because the original ship was used for 40+ years, doesn't mean the Enterprise A must also be used for 40 years, right? After ST6, we go to ST Generations with an Excelsior Class Enterprise B. So, the Enterprise A may have been decommissioned just before the events at the beginning of the Generations movie. As an older guy, I've learned through the years that when I have older items that still function, I keep them. I don't sell them or throw them away. Why? Because they still work and I have repair time and money invested in them. I bought the item for cash or got a loan and paid it off. This goes for cars, trucks, lawn mowers, computers, laptops, TV's, stereo equipment, etc. So, if the Enterprise A is still a working Starship at the beginning of Generations, why decommission it? They should just keep using it until it has major component failure or is severely damaged or destroyed in battle. What if the Federation goes to war with someone? They will need all the ships they have available. It could be used as a training vessel for younger crews too. When our kids first learn how to drive, do we go out and buy them a brand new car? No. We buy them a used car because they will most likely damage their first car in some way.
Realistically, at the fleet museum, there were only some 4 ships that could have been used, 2 Akira Class (Sentinal, Wershing), 1 Nebula Class (Lexington), and one Galaxy Class (Enterprise D)... pretty much anything else would have been too old and/or under powered. What always got me is why not have had the museum base personnel board all 4 and create a task force... but then, that would not have been as screen worthy.
Isnt the A the 3rd ? Im not sure but was the Nx 01 still in service when the federation was founded ? And didn't Kirk said in the end the ship gets a new crew ?
If you count the ships commissioned by Starfleet as a part of the Federation, it’s the second Enterprise. If you count all starships named Enterprise, it’s the third.
That scream during the transportor accident during TMP is STILL HAUNTING!
I was 10 yrs old when I saw ST TMP. The Transporter scene traumitzed me so bad, My dad let me watch The Exorcist for the first time, to get my mind off it...
That wasn't the A
Good thing we didn't see em ,and that they didn't live long, fortunately
That scene of the fatal transporter, haunted me for years when I saw that as a kid. Still gives me the chills.
I'm 23 and just saw that clip for the first time in this video.... by the gods that was horrifying
That didn't happen on the "A". That happened on the original 1701 during its refit in TMP.
Yep 😂😅 I remember dribbling on my dad's knee in the mid-90s. I remember having nightmares 😅
"Enterprise... What we got back didn't live long... Fortunately"
Why do you think Dr McCoy never trusted the Transporter?
He hated them just for this reason.
Refit Constitution Class is and will always be my favorite ship. It’s the Ship I was introduced to when I became a ST fan back in the TWOK debut in 82’
The scene of the Enterprise burning across the sky still gives me chills.
Absolutely STUNNING ship. They really did a nice job upgrading from the original with this refit
I love the question they have to ask god why he needs a starship you'd think that if it was a real god it would have came up with some clever reason for the use of the starship
I love every enterprise and while D was my first something about the constitution class makes me feel like seeing an old friend in a long time. The classes of ships between era’s are so good like the enterprise c a weird mixture of the excelsior and a look into the future galaxy class.
One thing I didn't see mentioned here is that, I forget if this is canon, the Enterprise A in the prime timeline wasn't built specifically for Kirk, it was rechristened Enterprise with the original being the USS Yorktown NCC-1717. In the Kelvin Timeline, there's a nice little George Lucas "it's like poetry, it rhymes" moment where the Enterprise A was built at Starbase Yorktown.
The on screen evidence for the Enterprise A being an entirely new ship is far more compelling than any evidence for the ship being a rechristened Yorktown. In fact, there is no on screen evidence for that at all. There is also some beta canon evidence suggesting the Enterprise A was a different, yet newer Constitution altogether. Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise even states the ship was originally the U.S.S. Ti-Ho. I'm not saying definitively that the Enterprise isn't the Yorktown but I find little reason to believe it is.
Lastly, given that the Yorktown's bridge can be seen in Star Trek IV and that the crew of the ship acted pretty valiantly after being disabled by the Whale probe, I'd say it would have been a slap in the face to take the Yorktown away from its crew, rename the ship, ignore the Yorktown's legacy and give it to Kirk. Though ignoring a ship's legacy isn't unheard as this was done to the Titan-A by renaming it to the Enterprise G.
It was my understanding that they rechristened Yorktown to Enterprise A as a Reward/Punishment for Kirk. It was a old starship which is why they have so many issues with it in ST5. If you consider that then it's no wonder it was decommissioned 7 years later. It was probably 20 years old at that point. Plus it could have been a refit as well.
I remember a book saying that the U S S Enterprise NCC-1701-A was the U S S TAL-HO NCC- 1797
@@Spamsmoothie1701 the Enterprise A might have originally been the Yorktown if A they had an Excelsior class Yorktown on the way and B the Yorktown originally went through it's 2 refits from the TOS configuration ( from TOS-> Phase 2 and from there to TMP style). It would also be the Ti Ho in a similar vein.
It's to be expected. He no doubt thinks Beam Me Up Scotty is an actual line from TOS.
Love the A. It's my favorite Enterprise. My next favorite ship is the Excelsior. The ships of that era had a certain beauty to them that the later ones lost.
what would you want with that bucket of bolts?
I like a mix of both, so Enterprise-B for me.
Absolutely. The TOS movie designs were unmatched. Even the Klingon ships looked great.
I love the Enterprise A. Was glad to see she got a place at the fleet museum. I named my current car after her and bears her name and registration number on the back.
You are very sad.
I got emotional seeing the Enterprise-A again. She is my Enterprise.
@@alasdairgardiner2313 She's my Enterprise as well.
@@alasdairgardiner2313 Enterprise-A was not the original, what was destroyed in Serach of Spock. Fortunately it is possible that original was actually, a refit of NX Enterprise and its saucer could be replaced during refit in 2270's and refitted back into NX. So maybe it actually did survived in that form?
She's mine too. Finishing up a nice model of her currently.
I grew up with TOS and the Enterprise-1701 and the Enterprise-1701A are my favs. Something about the shape of the saucer. As a model builder, I have always appreciated their lines. Nothing against the newer models, especially the " E " model. Oh yeah. They carry the name well. I know the first two are dated, but then again so am I. Thank you for posting. Take care and God Bless from Florida.
Have you posted any of your builds on your channel?
John Talbot is such an amazing actor. He voiced Jon Irenicus in Baldurs Gate 2 as well. Epic.
I love the callback joke😂😂 "poor stardrive". Please work that into more videos. I laugh every time and am still smiling hours later thinking about it😊
I nearly sobbed out of happiness seeing the-A being in the museum because it's probably the last thing from Kirk's legacy to survive. It's also my favorite ship from the Enterprise lineage. Oh and about the Borg, let them rest. They have been done to death and it's time to move on to new enemies.
P.S. I love your commentary on Star Trek. It's pretty funny, especially that "POOR STARDRIVE" bit in the Enterprise-D video.
Well, it's not the last thing from Kirk's legacy to have survived. His body is also being kept in stasis, y'know...😉
Stick around things about to get more crazy then a Klingon squirrel on caffeine Kirk’s remains were brought to the same place data was and if the display read outs were correct picards mission to go back in time was successful but as far as Kirk and universe know he is dead he is in cryostasis
I would love a movie or show bringing the Jem Hadar again.
The Enterprise-A definitely earned her place in history, but I would rate the Enterprise-C higher in that category. The Enterprise-A helped save the Khitomer Conference and the tentative treaty with the Klingons--but it was the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C at Narendra III that REALLY impressed the Klingons and turned that tenuous treaty into an official alliance with the Federation.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sela back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be from 4 to 1 to 5 to 4 against the Romulans at Narendra III . The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..This would impress the Klingnons moreso because the Enterprise-C went into the future and returned to bring the three Klingnon Bird of Prey (and Enterprise-D)to battle the Romulans. What sense would a destroyed Enterprise C be if the Romulans destroyed the Klingnon outpost at Narendra III.
@@danmiguel1260 Because the Klingons value sacrificing ones self in battle, especially since it was the Federation. The Enterprise C sacrificing itself in battle is what solidified the foundation of the Klingon/Federation alliance.
@@paulnicholson5997 I think that there's more to the story of the Enterprise-C. What would be a better senario is for Enterprise-D to enter the time rift(along with the 3 Klingnon warbirds) to fight the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be the sacrifice, sparing the Enterprise-C(Enterprise-D transferring all data information to the ship to give to Star Fleet Intelligence). The other Klingnon warshipship would look at Enterprise-D's sacrifice the change that leads to peace since they can't return to their future timeline. This would be the best outcome to the story. I would love to see Enterprise C at the Fleet museum next to Enterprise-D(Prime timeline)
@Dan Miguel I get what you saying and it would definitely be a very interesting plot for the D to go back thru the rift. But you know how Starfleet Officers are trained in Temporal Mechanics and why not to break the time line. But that would be an altered reality/timeline? The Ent-C was an Ambassador class vessel, It would be cool to see one at S.F. Museum though. Try S.T. online if you haven't already, you get to pilot an Ambassador Class ship in the game, it's pretty cool.
@@paulnicholson5997 That hasn't stopped other Star Fleet officers from bending the rules, as Captain Janeway has done.
"..a Conie II class..."
THANK YOU for saying it, it felt like I was the only YT commentor calling the Refits Constitution II-class in the comments. PS, the A had a multi-year history before the rename, either as Yorktown (was she a 30-year old Conie I?) or Ti Ho _(Mr. Scott's Guide ro the Enterprise)._ Kirk wasn't rewarded with a brand new ship, he was given what was available, and informally told 'now this wreck is your problem.'
The first Enterprise will always bring a tear to my eye, just like your first car as she was my first back in 1969, yes there was a time you had to wait a week to see the next show.
I have wanted to see the Enterprise a back on screen since they launched the Next Generation. This is by far my favorite ship the way it's designed laid out overall aesthetic. Like Jack Crusher said I'm definitely a constitution man
I came up with a new way to reinvigorate ST once. Basically, it's the distant future, an invasion sent most species either extinct or back to the stone age. Humanity on earth is just now getting back into space and they happen to find a ship that survived because it had been made into a museum. The Enterprise A. The computers were wiped and much of the tech stripped, like the transporters, but the engines still worked so earth got her up and running again to set out to figure out what happened in the galaxy, the war was forgotten by now, and regain contact with other worlds.
9:08 correction: the enterprise was sent to escort kronos 1 to the meeting on earth originally. the meeting location changed to khitomer only after the assassination at the request the new chancellor.
I personally enjoyed and appreciated seeing the Enterprise D playing X wing inside of the mega (under staffed) borg Qube. 😊
This was a great vid!!! I'm not a huge fan of Star Trek, but I do like it a lot. Videos like this are really fun for me. I get lots of new info and the guy making these vids is Funny!! Thanks for all your hard work researching, producing, and posting ALL of your great content!!! Live long and prosper everyone!!
Glad you enjoyed it! It’s a team effort :)
- Jack
I like that the shuttle on the A was still steam powered.
Wasn't the Kelvin timeline Enterprise steam powered? With all those plexiglass waterpipes running around engineering?
The refit is my favorite but I have some love for the A. Just wish she had more time
the Enterprise-A did get its goodbye moment it was the battle between the cloaked Bird of Prey and had the bonus element of having Sulu the one character to have moved on to come back and stand by his friends in the Excelsior and make the odds just even enough and hold on just long enough to slay the bad guy, then do the long goodbye like in every classic western and then the ride off into the sunset with the final log entry.
Another legendary delivery Lt Commander Adam
The original Enterprise is still my favorite, and Strange New Worlds portrays her beautifully!
imo the refit and original are about equally great but I think most of the SNW enterprise is a downgrade from these two except the neck shape being an improvement over the original. The SNW enterprise is just off to me. I would have preferred a slightly modernized original rather than a whole new design.
Well, it puts SNW In a different time line than STO, TNG, DS9 and STV but personally I think it looks better than STO Enterprise but not nearly as nice as the A.
@@tarrantwolf Being visually different doesn't mean it's in a different time line. Even in tos the enterprise went through some major refits. The busard collector originally had an antenna sticking out before being removed. The color also changed three times from solid red to solid orange during pikes time to translucent orange in Kirk's time.
Also the current enterprise look is close to what Gene Roddenberry had envisioned but could not do due to budget and technical restraints of the 1960's
@zomfragger It's a retcon no matter how much pretzel twisting that goes on explaining it. The Real Enterprise is the TOS era Constitution class Starship no matter how old and dated it is🖖
The updated Enterprise (1701) and NCC-1701-A are my favorites. There is something about them that just clicks with me.
I won't repeat what everyone below be is said in the original name for the ship. A nice review of that classic ship! Thanks Adam!
I recall reading somewhere that Kirk and Crew were given a dysfunctional Enterprise A on purpose as part of their punishment. Can't find that source any more though. But given recent portrayals of Starfleets not so nice side, it would make sense.
That was a theory someone had which on UA-cam honestly was a stupid concept put forth with a lot of thought. Starfleet risking the lives of hundreds of crew men to punish Kirk makes zero sense when they could have just tossed him in prison for stealing the original enterprise.
@@captainmartin1219 that makes sense. Also would be odd for them to use the Enterprise name for a form of punishment too
@@JazmanGames The funny thing is the President and star fleet thanked Kirk for saving the planet again. They demoted him to Captain as a reward and they knew Kirk was happier as a Captain and not an Admiral. So there is really no reason why they would want to punish him anyway.
@@wendigos_eat_people7177 that's a really good point. Didn't think of it that way.
St5, yup, they were given a lemon as Mr Scott put it, and he had rebuilt everything by st6
Loves these videos you guys are amaizng. Got a question since u meantioned a few enterpises at the fleet museum what ever happened to the enterprise b
Lost and never recovered i think sulus daughter was in command in that story
@@spiralinglight Non-Canon story. However, it would be cool to see both the Enterprise-B and Enteprise-C at the Fleet Museum. Especially, Enterprise-C. You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sela back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be from 4 to 1 to 5 to 4 against the Romulans at Narendra III . The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..This would impress the Klingnons moreso because the Enterprise-C went into the future and returned to bring the three Klingnon Bird of Prey (and Enterprise-D)to battle the Romulans. What sense would a destroyed Enterprise C be if the Romulans destroyed the Klingnon outpost at Narendra III.
I'd love to see The Enterprise A fly again... One more time, for those of us who watched her fly when she was unveiled for the first time.
Except, it isn't the Original Enterprise. NX-01.
The A taking on the Borg would have been a little too "suspension of disbelief"-breaking, but I thought they were going to use it to dodge the fleet when they realized the Titan-A, being connected to the fleet network, was being tracked. Once they spent so much time giving the A attention, I thought it pre-dating the fleet network would have been their escape, though I did find the Bounty's cloak to be a creative solution as well.
The Enterprise-A wouldn't have stood a chance. Unlike the other Connie II types that were still in service by the 2360s, the A never even got retrofitted with updated weapons, shields, or systems. I think that the only reason it and the OG Connie representative USS New Jersey (one of a couple of fitting nods to showrunner Terry Matalas) got focused on so hard was probably to highlight the lines and angles and the similarity that the new Connie III has in common.
@@DragoonMS I'm not saying it would have been useful in combat, certainly not after the Fleet Formation was active, just that it would have been a reasonable stealth alternative while they were on the run mid-season. The writing kept the Titan-A available for use in the season climax, and was satisfyingly creative.
I found it a hell of a stretch to believe that an early 2280's Klingon-designed B'rel class cloaking device, (around 120 years old in 2401), could still be as effectively undetectable as it was after being installed aboard the much-larger U.S.S. Titan...🤔
@@charlestaylor253 cloaking devices work *really* well when no one is looking for a cloaked ship. When you run into trouble and technological arms races is when people are actively looking for a cloaked ship in the area and have a decent idea of what they’re looking for in the first place. A modern Starfleet ship running an ancient Klingon cloaking device is probably not going to be emitting any sort of background readings that anyone would expect - anything they do pick up on sensors is probably going to look weird.
Defiant got into trouble even with her Romulan cloak because her warp reactor was so overpowered that it was hard to keep stray emissions down unless they were moving relatively slowly.
@@charlestaylor253Exactly. Those old cloaks would have shown up as if they were shining a flashlight at their sensors.
Lt Commander ADAM!
Ship explaining genius!
*fist bump*
Great vid; very cool!
Absolutely Fantastic Presentation My Brother ❤
If you are going to refer to Kelvin timeline movies numerically, you should follow the longstanding naming convention already used and even referenced too many times to count in this very video. I.e. add an 'A' to them.
USAF veteran flight paramedic Aerospace medicine 84 grad ; about damn time ! We've been watching an waiting , just like SECT 31 .
Man, that movie theater came to a deafening roar watching Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, and seeing the Enterprise-A popping over the Excelsior!!! I loved the original NCC-1701, but still love the "A."
I love this guy! Poor star drive…
The Enterprise A was tasked with escorting Gorkon to the peace talks on Earth, not Kitomer. Kitomer was the "secret" location to which the talks were moved after the assassination of Gorkon.
Like Scotty, the "NCC-1701, No Bloody A, B, C or D." is and always be my favorite. Where it all started was where it is at.
Love kirks Enterprise! Its like a 57 Chevy Bel Air.
My favorite Enterprise..well the refit that blew up but close enough
I enjoyed the construction time-lapse in the film it was interesting.
It is made very clear in Star Trek 6 that the Enterprise-A was NOT set to be decommissioned. Only the command crew were to be retired. The fact that the Enterprise-B came along later that year was the result of sloppy writing on the part of the "Generations" writers. They evidently didn't pay much attention to Star Trek 6--if they even watched it.
That's Rick Berman, known for not giving a damn about Star Trek history and trolling the fans.
ST VI - The original destination for the peace conference was on Earth, not Khitomer.
Only later, after the assassination, was it changed to another location, that turned out to be Khitomer.
The star trek commercials are not horrible like most commercials shown in other videos , but are like little cartoon breaks . Entertaining .
The Enterprise 1701-A is still my fav. ship. It still makes my inside jump.
My understanding is that 1701-A was put on display at the Starfleet Museum. She's kept fully Space-Worthy and often used in ceremonies & similar functions. Supposedly, it's been used by Academy Cadets. She was originally the Yorktown NCC-1717; given the same refit that the 1701 got just before the V'Ger crisis.
My understanding is that this version of starship was simply named the constitution refit, although if followed in FASA it was aptly named Enterprise class, due to the Enterprise being the first ship to be refitted. I've paused the video at 5:28 so if you're mentioning this after that time I'll know and sorry for stating such to quickly.
David Warner said in interviews that they apparently they just "forgot" that he was in Star Trek V when they hired him go play Gorkon in VI. He also said they again "forgot" when they got him to play the Cardassian in TNG. He was also brought in as a replacement last minute with no time to memorize his lines, so they had to use cue cards. He said if you pay attention he never once looks into the camera in that episode.
Hey! Thanks for spoiling Star Trek 1,2 3,4,5 AND 6. I was just about to watch it. 😂😂
I love this ship, and this class. My number one starship in the whole of Trek😊
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but the enterprise a wasn't a rushed build of a new ship, it was the Yorktown which was re-commissioned as the enterprise. A. I'm not sure if that was Canon, though. I need to go back into my notes and see if I can find where the source is for that.
My understanding for why the ship was so buggy. Was the damage done to the Yorktown when the probe disabled it. If you remember from the voyage home, there was a video scene where the Yorktown was transmitting the captains final log to Starfleet.
Ah yes I brought that up too, Just couldn't remember the earlier name of the ship. It was so beat up that they deemed it unrecoverable and parked in the mothball area. It was the second ship to get the refit after the Enterprise.
That is a fan accepted theory, and seems to have been the intention behind the scenes as well, but it was never said on screen afaik - Dom
Adam: Stop commenting the same joke its not funny anymore...
Also Adam: Poor stardrive 😢
The A exists in the 25th century. Kirk's body has been recovered by the Daystrom Institute. Come Paramount+ what are you waiting for?!
9:13 The Enterprise-A was escorting Kronos One to Earth. That was changed to a secret location after Gorkon's assassination, which is why Kirk had to contact Sulu to find out the conference was taking place on Khitomer.
I know it’s not ‘cannon’, but In the ‘Shatnerverse’ Novels, the Enterprise-A was destroyed after it was ‘donated’ to some sort of planetary defense force, where Kirk was commanding her. (A lot of material in those novels that would have made for some good movies or episodes.)
She was sold to the people of Eden to defend the planet. Kick only captained her after retiring in order to train her new Eden Captain (Ashes of Eden by William Shatner.)
I so wanted to see The Return and it's sequel on the big screen. Ah well...
In 1999, I had a story idea that the 1701A was found in the Delta Quadrant by Voyager. After the Khitomer battle, it was given to a new crew and refitted with, yet, another trans warp drive. During the first test flight, the vessel disappeared into the Delta Quadrant.
Turns out 1701A's new warp drive disabled the inertia dampers. The crew was instantly killed, and the ship ran until it reached DQ. The ship, out of fuel, and considered cursed by local powers, was left in a bone yard for nearly a century before 7 noticed a Federation hulk.
The 1701A was refueled, the inertia dampers repaired, and the warp drive corrected, was ready to take both Starfleet ships home, except for being stalked by a shunned alien desperately trying to find treasure to bring home. Using the Borg as a deadly distraction, he tries to slip in and steal the ship from under both parties. While 1701A did get Voyager home earlier than predicted it didn't survive the trip home. At least it had a end worthy of it's legacy.
That was my idea... not that it was worth anything to the writers at the time.
Up until season 3 of Picard, I had a running theory that one of the destroyed Constitution class ships at Wolf 359 was in fact the NCC-1701 A, since at that point all we knew was that she had been decommissioned.
The only missions we know of the Enterprise A was during the incident with Spock's half brother Sybok and the other was the Praxis incident so it would be nice to know what Kirk and the others did in between 2285 and 2293.
Cruising the Alpha Quadrant looking for space chicks, duh.
Warping around. Bones still mad about spocks katra in his noggin. Spock constantly in the head because of bones beans....kirk is lost below decks and checkov is driving pretending he doesn't hear uhura talking dirty to Scotty on the comm. Meanwhile starfleet command is ringin the phone off the hook because they haven't answered since they went to that second star to the right.....
Well, cataloging gaseous anomalies of course. lol
Here’s my bit of lore to fill in why the Enterprise-A was in the condition it was in STV that lends to it having been a re-christened USS Yorktown.
The Yorktown having been damaged by the whale probe in the prior film was likely mostly repaired but still not 100% by the time it was “gifted” to Kirk as the new Enterprise. Spacedock engineers were likely at least able to restore all of the primary essential systems, but It was likely going to take Scotty and his engineers weeks chasing burnt-out or scrambled circuits in all the minor systems.
She's a beauty isn't she, the center gem in the crown of Starfleet, Kirk she's MY ship!😊
i forgot spock had a brother before he had a sister and enterprise a mysecond most favorite ship in star trek
Had no sister
He only had a brother
@@seanmc7128 i am guessing you havent seen disco
@@kineuhansen8629 disco is something you listen to not see
@@seanmc7128 disco is discovery
Enterprise - A, deserves a come back, hopefully they'll bring it back for a cameo , in S.T.S.N.Worlds
It’s my all time favorite starship (the original timeline). I’m playing her in Star Trek Online and I have no problems fighting the Borg 😎😉
There is a huge potential for a series for the Ent-A after the Sybok stuff. It's implied in UC they have been doing some exploration: "What about all that equipment to catalog gaseous anomolies? Thing's gotta have a tailpipe!" Hopefully Paramount has a good plan.
the gaseous anomaly equipment at the start of the movie was on the Excelsior. somehow it managed to get onto Kirk's ship. Shatner screwed Takei one last time.
@@bagcpa All Federation ships need the ability to scan gaseous anomalies. It's one of their main things! Hell, remember the vampire cloud? Kirk would never let his ship go out again without the ability to scan what could ONLY be defined as a gaseous anomaly.
I was kind of hoping we'd get a whole formation of classic ships from the museum taking on the borg...
Yeah, with whole squads of holograms using 24th century versions of mobile emitters under command of the Doctor (temporarily reconfigured as the ECH) to get some $h¡t DONE! If they wanted to spend the money for the cgi, showrunners could have made cgi holo versions of their original crews, which would have been a nifty little way to get the old Enterprise team back into action even if it wasn't real (meaning holograms).
Picked up an AMT 1/537 not too long ago. A 1991 model with the lights and sounds. Can't wait to get all the aftermarket parts and decals thrown on. I'd like to think a few refit Constitutions served in light roles into the 2370s.
Star Trek apparently really loves David Warner. They gave him all kinds of major , good roles. He was also Jack the Ripper in the movie Time After Time, and the 1990s Outer Limits.
I would like to see a story line in which retired ships and museum ships were up gunned and pressed into service as Starfleet's First fleet protecting Earth along with brand new ships still undergoing their shakedown cruises. Equip them with more powerful shields, extra torpedo bays, and bolt on phaser strips (maybe saying the modifications had already been designed by the offgoing crews and the equipment stored in the ships in case of war) and they could be potent adversaries. They wouldn't be fast enough for fleet use, but they could be used for local defense. Seeing up gunned old veteran ships operating alongside brand new, wet behind the ears, new construction ships to defeat the Breen attack would make for a good story. Especially if the old veterans turned out to not be vulnerable to the Breen energy dampening weapons and were the ones to finally defeat the Breen.
So basically a Trek version of the Galactica reboot? Nah. The current crop of writers are lazy, but not THAT lazy.
The Enterprise A was my favourite.
Honestly i would have liked to see Enterprise A have been the hero ship in picard.
Well since you mentioned Star Trek IV, I'd like to see it made into a Star Trek short, maybe 10 minutes long where the USS Relativity emerged from a special distortion in 2233, and intercepts the Narda before it destroys the USS Kelvin, and instead of letting it engage they instead force the Narda back to the 2380's prime timeline, and then wipe the databanks on the Kelvin while erasing their memories of the event thus resetting the timeline.
I'd like to see that!
There is a Constitution class ship in the fleet of ships in the DS9 episode, Sacrifice of Angels.
oh? if there was a tmp connie in that DS9 fleet my suspicion is the DS9 producers decided not to name that that connie cuz it was not within their intention or part of the battle script so that connie was nothing more than an unidentified consitution class ship that was never mentioned by the producers in the DS9 eppisode sacrafice of the angels.
I think you might be thinking about the TNG episode The best of both worlds part 2 when they used the self-destruct Enterprise model from ST3 in the graveyard scene.
just went through that again to look for it.
In the opening scene of the fight, where the fleets are closing, there is one ship WAY at the back that MIGHT be a Constitution class, the profile is right and just a little different from all the Excelsior class ships in the fleet.
What there ARE however are several Miranda class, yes the smaller Miranda, not the larger Soyuz class that looks just like it. they're flying next to the Defiant and are not much bigger than it.
This is also the battle where most of the "on the way out" Galaxy Class ships get destroyed, this is around the time the Sovereign class is introduced.
@@James-rn7dx There were Constitution Class vessels in the Dominion War taking on the Dominion. There were rumors that A was retrofitted and was in the battle and was feared because of the name Enterprise.
@@JamesMDavis1 Do you know what episode it was in?
This generation of ships was the only one to properly convey the inertia and size of the ships.
The Yorktown like the Enterprise was one of those original 12 Constitution class. The Yorktown was refitted just like the Enterprise was. Eventually The Yorktown was rechristened to Enterprise-A and decommissioned and put in the Fleet Museum.
In 2270, the USS Yorktown's bridge is destroyed during a Klingon attack near the Romulan Neutral Zone.
In Picard S3, they had Kirk's body at the section 31 storehouse - it would have been a hoot if they had revived him and put him in charge of the A to help against the Borg threat in some way (perhaps having the rest of the station crew from the ship storehouse as short-term crew)
Is Kirk's body shown in the Picard S3 episode where they break in to Daystrom? I saw the episode recently and didn't see his body.
Cool video thanks!
Okay, ya' got me with the Fonzi joke. I subscribed.
Star Trek V is a guilty pleasure for me. Although the movie is good until they reach the Great Barrier then it shoots itself in the foot after. I love the Connie Refit so was happy to see the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek IV The Voyage Home. People are right that non cannon stuff showed the Enterprise-A was re-christened from the U.S.S. Yorktown, it sort of makes sense. The Yorktown could have been in service for a very short time before encountering the whale probe.
She probably had to be towed back to Spacedock if her systems weren't restored by the Whale Probe. Which would make Scotty's statement, "I think this new ship was put together by monkey's. Oh she's got a fine engine but half the doors won't open and guess who's job it is to make it right?"
Regarding the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond...I've got a 3D printed model of the Beyond E-A and I will say she's so much better looking than the other three versions of the 1701 on how she appeared. I mean there's still a couple of things I don't like from it but overall it is a huge improvement from the 1701 from the first two Kelvin movies.
The self destruction of the Enterprise refit is still a emotional moment, poor saucer section.
The Enterprise A was originally the USS Ti-Ho. Unlike the original Enterprise which was refitted, the Ti-Ho was constructed as a refit Constitution class. The ship was used as a test bed for the transwarp drive as the Excelsior was being built. After the transwarp technology proved a failure both the Excelsior and Ti-Ho were fitted with conventional warp drives. When the original Enterprise was destroyed over the Genesis planet the Federation decided to recommission and rename the Ti-Ho into the Enterprise A. The rush to do this created most of the problems seen later on.
The U.S.S. Yorktown NCC-1717, a Constitution-Class heavy cruiser, was severely damaged by the whale probe during the events of Star Trek IV, "The Voyage Home", after the probe departed Sol system, the Yorktown was recovered and repaired, and then it was re-christened as U.S.S Enterprise NCC-1701-A.
It is unclear what happened to the crew of the Yorktown, that being said, the Enterprise-A was already as old as the old Enterprise, the entire Constitution-Class was being phased out in favor of the Excelsior-Class. 🖖
I had hoped that would be the case with the A, however, I seem to recall someone saying it was a recommissioned ship that was renamed the Enterprise 1701-A. Which would explain why it was in such awful shape when they launched it. A mothballed ship sitting in some junkyard, suddenly powered up and ran over to the space dock certainly explains why it needed so much TLC from Scotty. Kirk was demoted, and while not given any other repercussions for his actions, it only makes sense they would do that to him and his crew as punishment. If anyone could bring it back up to specs+ it was Scotty!
I've never understood the short life of ships in Star Trek; you'd think with the number of resources used, they'd have a minimum of 50-70-year lifespans.
Space is a harsh environment.
Also keep in mind, of the first block of Constitutions launched, _Enterprise_ was one of the rare ones to actually finish a five year mission. Quite a few were destroyed, disappeared or even hit with friendly fire (The Ultimate Computer)
I mean... not so short of lifespans.
The Enterprise was under Pike before Kirk, and it was under Kirk for decades before damage caused decommissioning.
The Excelsior class had a stupid long life, over 80 years and still getting refits.
The Galaxy class only really got phased out because it was an apartment in space during the Dominion war, and most of them were destroyed.
Most of the "unique" ships we're familiar with, where there's just one example, are ships that were lost. destroyed, or presumed destroyed. So we really don't know if there's any still in service or not, but a bunch of stuff did get pulled out of mothballs a few times when the Federation needed extra ships fast.
The Constitutions that survived all lasted 40+ years before decommissioning, We see Excelsiors and Mirandas all over the place in TNG and DS9, taking place some 75 years after they were "new". Seems to track well enough. In universe, it's also possible that sudden leaps in technology cause some space frames to be less suitable to a long life than other ones.
My head cannon is that the Constitution just wasn't well suited to the vertical style warp core and/or was otherwise incompatible with what is referred to as "transwarp" in the films, and what is just the standard warp scale in TNG and beyond. The sudden change in technology left the Constitutions severely limited compared to Excelsiors for long range and exploration, while being too much to maintain compared to mirandas for "local" work. (Also have the head canon that the Mirandas were built as a means of repurposing all the old, horizontal style, warp cores from ships refit to the vertical ones.)
One thing more, Admiral Morrows statement in Search for Spock that the ship was 20 years old was grossly inaccurate. It was launched in 2245 and served until 2285 when it was scuttled over the genesis planet. So it was 40 years old from it's original construction and through it's refit for the movies. (as per Memory Alpha)
(5:45) I completely forgot about the fifth movie. My memory just jumps from the fourth to the sixth. Which I do love the sixth movie perhaps the most.🤔
I need to know where you got that picture for the before episode title screen! Its beautiful and I need that picture for my background
fortunately, I don't count anything done by Jar Jar Abrams as canon
LC Adam, we're there any Enterprise's between the NX01 and the 1701?
13:13-- someone with a good eye spotted a Kelvin timeliness Reliant class ship in the background leaving space dock.
Holy moly, way to much before getting to the topic.
I’d love to see Enterprise A see more voyages with up to date hardware, weapons , shields , engines , ect . May the Famous Kirk Enterprise show the Universe why she is so famous!
The Enterprise-A is the 3rd UFP starship to bear the name Enterprise, and the 5th starship all included
1st: Nasa Space Shuttle Enterprise
2nd: A space orbiter christened Enterprise (ENT and TMP, mentioned only)
3rd: UE, then UFP USS Enterprise NX-01
4th: UFP USS Enterprise NCC-1701
5th: USS Enterprise-A
I'd like to see someone take out the A from the shipyards and obtain info on project Phoenix and find out what happened to James T Kirk. Maybe Sulu or Checkov? Need to know Kirk's status after Picard
It’s probably dry docked at the fleet museum, curated by geordi Laforge😊
Cheers, Adam. Nice thumbnail
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Notes: Ambassador Talbot?! A Smoker?! (See "Waterworld"!) Either I never noticed that before, or I blocked it or forgot it, or it is from a version that I'm not familiar with. Hmm. 🤔
But anyway, since I can't access "Paramount +" those scenes from the series streamed there are new to me. So, thanks for the sneak peeks! 😊
Ironically, your video about their fates started a debate about their origins! Well, except for the second one as we got to witness the construction of it. 🖖
Since they planned on decommissioning the original Enterprise in ST3, it makes sense that they would have been building the replacement ship.
So, the Enterprise A shows up in ST4, is used in ST5, and in ST6.
Just because the original ship was used for 40+ years, doesn't mean the Enterprise A must also be used for 40 years, right?
After ST6, we go to ST Generations with an Excelsior Class Enterprise B.
So, the Enterprise A may have been decommissioned just before the events at the beginning of the Generations movie.
As an older guy, I've learned through the years that when I have older items that still function, I keep them.
I don't sell them or throw them away. Why? Because they still work and I have repair time and money invested in them.
I bought the item for cash or got a loan and paid it off.
This goes for cars, trucks, lawn mowers, computers, laptops, TV's, stereo equipment, etc.
So, if the Enterprise A is still a working Starship at the beginning of Generations, why decommission it?
They should just keep using it until it has major component failure or is severely damaged or destroyed in battle.
What if the Federation goes to war with someone? They will need all the ships they have available.
It could be used as a training vessel for younger crews too.
When our kids first learn how to drive, do we go out and buy them a brand new car? No.
We buy them a used car because they will most likely damage their first car in some way.
Lovrd that the ship from star trek 4 was there and mentioned in picard....that thing with the whales 🙂
Realistically, at the fleet museum, there were only some 4 ships that could have been used, 2 Akira Class (Sentinal, Wershing), 1 Nebula Class (Lexington), and one Galaxy Class (Enterprise D)... pretty much anything else would have been too old and/or under powered. What always got me is why not have had the museum base personnel board all 4 and create a task force... but then, that would not have been as screen worthy.
Isnt the A the 3rd ? Im not sure but was the Nx 01 still in service when the federation was founded ? And didn't Kirk said in the end the ship gets a new crew ?
If you count the ships commissioned by Starfleet as a part of the Federation, it’s the second Enterprise. If you count all starships named Enterprise, it’s the third.
@@TheMikeX74 Wouldn't it be 4 since the XCV Enterprise was before the NX if you counted all Enterprises that flew in space?