Wow...let's encouraging space engineers community to establish starfleets academy on the Venus, Mars, cloud cities, and motherships. Then when more people have choose to live in the space settlements, we have more space engineers community.
I love how Startrek vessels can sprout weapons, shields, sensors, and anything else, from any spot on the ship, as needed by the episode. This adds extra realism.
imo, there's still a ton of wasted space in there. They could probably drop the size of the ship by 30% if they used the space more wisely. Or alternately, packed more stuff into the ship.
Imho the detachable warhead is a design error on the showrunners part. It's never mentioned in-show and makes no sense at all since the ship would lose its main deflector (and as far as is known there is no secondary deflector). If it's meant as some last-ditch effort to cause massive damage, why not just warp the ship into an opponent? The crew would need to get off the ship regardless. It makes more sense that it's some interchangeable part of the ship to accommodate certain tactical mission profiles, like the mission-pod of a Nebula class.
Yeah... they should have made it a jamming array or deep sensor array.... Although I understand why as It was designed to go against the borg and the last ditch attempt to save Humanity was a thing.
The interior of the defiant has always interested me. one thing that wasn't really clear was where the path from the main vessel to the detachable warhead was. For boarding it and accessing the docking ports.
One of the deciding factors in the ships design was that Roddenberry insisting that the nacelles had to face each other and nothing could be between them. This was apparently a concept the producers hated, so when Gene passed we saw more designs like this.
But the funny thing about that as far as the Defiant goes, they do have a portion at the bottom of the ship where there is no hull between them. IMO that would have been a good place to put some glowing blue grills.
Roddenberry evidently had no problem with the iconic Klingon Bird of Prey. Even though it has a pair of hunched warpdrive "shoulders" packed closely together. No unobstructed open space or line of sight between them, just a big chunk of solid hull.
In reality though based on the Defiant's intended purpose you'd want an armored nacelle. That is at least what I took from this. Like other starships which leave them out in the open and vulnerable the Defiant packs them close and covers the outside with armor.
This isn't to scale, it's one of those bad ones too, you guys never looked this up did you, this is called the great dumbing down. ...Enterprise D is over 2,103 ft long while the enterprise A is only 947, yet looks like it's more than half the size of the enterprise D in this image. Uss Defiant is only 560 feet and looks like it's 1/3 the length of the D. The defiant can only fit 150 people in extreme situations, it's made for 50. Yet the defiant looks like it's almost 2/3 size of the saucer section which can hold the whole Enterprise D crew of 1,000+ That alone should tell you that it's not accurate size scale
@@starkfels-diespielefestung2680 you may be right visually but that's all about perspective. Like how the sun's 400x further away then the moon is, while being 400x larger so it appears to be the same size in the sky But this is one thing I love about star trek. Is all the fanboy books, they been making blueprints for almost every star trek ship. It also begs, NX defiant or the defiant A (uss sao Paulo)
this is the video I didn't know I wanted. The Defiant was quite a curiosity back when the show aired. They depicted it was really, really small in both dialogue and depiction, such as the tiny crew quarters and hallways, and yet in the first episode Odo and Kira take off in a shuttle and I'm like, wait what? They have room for that? The comparison with the 1701 Enterprise sizewise is interesting. It seems to be just as big as her saucer section. Anyway great modeling as always!
Thank you! I watched like 8 vids talking about the Defiant, it's history, behind the scenes stuff, but this is the BEST and only vid that actually went deck-by-deck on what this ship was like!
Love the Defiant, still my favorite Trek ship just because of how far above her weight she punches. Would love to see a breakdown for the Rocinante from The Expanse.
Really goes to show how technically advanced the Federation is compared to other powers in the Alpha quadrant. It's not like the Defiant punches above her weight - it's just that until now we've never seen a Starfleet vessel that was actually dedicated to punching. Compared to, say, a Klingon Bird of Prey (a small-midsized spartan warship from a so-called warrior race), the Defiant would absolutely rock the nuts of anything even close to its size. And I'm pretty sure that Spacedock has a similar breakdown of the Rocinante.
I remember reading that since the Federation's primary mission was peaceful exploration of space, Starfleet could not have an actual "warship". So the Defiant was classified as an escort vessel, to protect the more vulnerable ships that are for exploration.
Imagine how much detail Ol' Trek put into things we as the audience never even got to see, it is just outstanding. Reminds me of one of Steve Job's principles I read about in his bio: he would get into arguments with his engineers over the amount of attention to quality applied to even the screws in the motherboard of his computers, and they would say to him, "Steve, no one is even going to be able to open up this laptop to see that!"
Beautiful. Just beautiful. You should be proud of your work, sir. I remember when DS9 was first coming out, there were a lot of magazine articles (Like from Starlog and Omni) that touched upon how it was “darker” and “morally-complex” compared to TNG. How everyone had shades to grey to it. From the design and origins of the DS9 station to the back-stories, like the Bajorians and The Occupation. The Defiant, to me, was just an extension to that.
Just about everything is in that last resort torpedo, no warp because that is where the deflector array is, no impulse engines either as a portion of them is there too. Why do they need water tanks if they synthesize all their food with replicators?
@@curare333 To be fair, the impulse engines in the "Warhead" were separate from the ships impulse engines Also ships don't need a navigational deflector to warp, plenty of small ships such as warping shuttles don't have navigational deflectors and normal shields should serve as a higher power usage alternative However I also think the design of the "Warhead" is super dumb and I hate it haha
i just wanted to take a moment and thank you for taking the time to put this all together, i thoroughly enjoy your deck layout videos, and researched explanations. I also appreciate that you specifically pointed out the bow of the Defiant was a giant warhead. far too many videos about the Defiant say that's the bridge
The Defiant was a real marvel. It's interesting that in many ways, the warhead was also like a mini-attack vessel all it's own as well, almost being multifunctional.
I never knew the top of engineering is in same deck as the. Bridge. This really helps give me a good visual of the relationship of the rooms to each other more than I have ever. Thank you
I love what you've done with these detailed interiors of star ships! I've been fascinated with Star Wars and Star Trek ships and buildings and wonder how they are put together. I'd love to see one done for Bespin cloud city.
One of the best ship breakdown vids I've ever seen! Your animation style really brings it to life - I've probably watched 10 Defiant analysis vids, and this was the first time I felt like I really understood the scale. Thanks for not just reading the same specs, but actually SHOWING them
Awesome video. Always thought the inspiration for the Defiant interior was a submarine. Minimal room given to crew and comfort, most of the space was taken up by weapons, engines, and equipment.
I had no idea the Defiant was so big. It felt like a bigger shuttle on TV because the space looked so jammed up, and they rarely show people doing anything else in the ship except on mission. You see people living in other starships that gives you a sense there are more sections we never get to see, they didn't do that on the Defiant, or at least I ever seen it.
Excellent work! I know some fans say the Defiant Class was not capable of landing planetside. I for one always thought she could. Also, thanks for the details tour of the Defiant. Decks 4 and 5 were always a mystery to me. Along with the shuttlebay; Now, that has been clear up.
Great job on this. I really wish we had been shown the Defiant landing on a planet. I guess they didn't want to take that show case away from Voyager. I know that front piece of the Defiant was supposed to be a detachable last ditch warhead but one thing that annoyed me is when it docked at the station the warhead part some how acted for the docking port too. Even though where the docking port would have been we saw a phaser beam come out of it in the episode "Starship Down". My heart sunk when you showed clips from "The Changing Face Of Evil" and the destruction of the Defiant. My heart sunk back then too when it first aired back then. The music though is awesome.
Yeah I was going to mention that whole detachable warhead / navigational deflector /docking port all in one design feature. Given the Defiant's configuration not having a secondary hull like other ships is that why they placed it there in the front? because anywhere else on the ship would probably result in an awkward docking position. IDK
His figures are wrong. The Defiant is actually 68.5m long according to the 'Official Star Trek Fact Files' and is plainly seen as 1/10 the size of the USS Enterprise-E's 685m length in Star Trek: First Contact.
@@leagreenall5972 @emkkahn The size as shown on screen was always inconsistent, but very rarely was it ever shown to be anything like 68 meters, and at that size, none of the MSDs shown would make any sense. One reasonable extrapolation based on number of decks (by all accounts 4, not the 5 shown here) it is probably somewhere between 110 and 122 meters long.
@@adamlytle2615 And yet the Official Star Trek fact files show the defiant to be 68.5m, which is in complete keeping with what we see in Star Trek First Contact where the defiant is not even close to being 1/4 of the length of the E, but 1/10th... obvious from 2:50-254 ua-cam.com/video/D7KCb-O20Fg/v-deo.html
The Defiant was a very heavily armoured, highly manoeuvrable weapons system. She was built to fight and win, be it close up & personal or from far away. She could easily take down a capital ship without breaking too much of a sweat.
OHBOY! I've been waiting for this one! I was surprised by the compartments that got the inward-facing windows in the dorsal hull, deck 4 and 5. Water tanks with a view i guess. The notion of the forward section as a detachable warhead was always weird. I know it was on the official schematics but I don't remember it ever being in the plot. And how many times on the show they docked the ship at DS9 docking ports through it: extra weird. But I loved your model and breakdown. THANK YOU!
The Captain's Yacht was on the plans, but we never see one in use until ST Insurection. We also never got to see how big a Galaxy class main shuttle bay is. As for docking and entering/exiting via the nose, there is a telescoping docking port. Some things are to be left up to the imagination!
Yeah those internal facing windows on the lower decks make no sense when combined with this internal configuration. That's a LOT of windows with literally no purpose.
So the “detachable warhead”: In my theory the defiant class was designed to be a single mission type vessel , with a mission specific module being installed into the the nose of the vessel , but because the defiants were rushed into production as tactical vessels that forward section was early on universally used to expand the ships tactical ability. A scout version of this vessel packed that nose with sensors, a engineering vessel saw it armed with a tractor beam , a hospital ship saw it as a detachable ambulance ship, etc etc etc and that is why it has a cockpit and cabins. It’s was originally designed as an auxiliary craft but was redesigned the way it was, but with some systems still there for its original intent never having been removed
The Defiant was originally designed to combat the Borg Collective (the design team's motto was "Assimilate This !"), with the warhead being designed as a single one-shot, massively powerful, last-ditch-attempt weapon, since using it would also destroy the main deflector dish and effectively strand the ship in interstellar space. With the waning of the Borg threat, the warhead was never mentioned in the series, ever, and presumably it was repurposed into something else on the ship.
Actually, it was designed that way because the production reused a shuttle craft concept and scaled it up to a small vessel. The "detachable warhead" was the cockpit.
Fantastic walkthrough of my favorite Star Trek vessel. I always wondered about the facilities of Decks 4 and 5, as they were rarely referenced on DS9. Thanks for the amazing schematics and ship breakdown.
Great video, I've seen these plans before and it was great to see them in 3d. The only thing I would correct is while many tech manuals place Defiant at ~171 meters, her scale with these plans puts her closer to ~125 meters. And the LCARS that appears in the show designed by Doug Drexler considered the ship to be ~ 125 meters.
LOVED this; thanks for putting it together! For some reason, I'm obsessed with the conventional phaser strips that the Defiant must've had. I mean, we've seen it fire phasers from somewhere behind the bridge... Most schematics I can find online make no mention of conventional phasers strips, though one said that the darker strip that ran along the spine of the ship behind the bridge was a phaser strip, and it also said that a darker strip along the dorsal side of the forward warhead was also a phaser strip---and there were phaser strips running across the ventral of the warp nacelles, as well. The way this video goes, it kind of looks like the Defiant's only aft weapon emplacements were its aft torpedo launchers.
I'd guess that was an old style 'phaser turret' just atop the bridge, myself, @longWriter . Whilst the main quantum torpedo tubes are actually in the triangular cutouts called 'phaser bays' or 'targeting sensors' elsewhere.
Well there's one thing that was never brought up I noticed about the defiant where the docking Bay/docking hatch was and that whole area and all the scenes that was ever used to do Space nine you see that the defiant docs forward into the docking ring normally at the section where the documents are located in a lot of other scenes you see other specific small craft the federation docked forward style like the Miranda class which I think was the only other federation ship that did that besides the defiant all other ships usually used the docking pylons upper and or lower Galaxy class excelsior nebula intrepid and to name probably any other ones that have been built with similar docking areas for each of those classes so yeah but it's never brought up is the location of the docking Bay for the embark and disembarkation to and from the ship
I can't get rid of the feeling, that the detachable warhead is more intended as a auxiliary craft like a captains yacht or so, maybe a scout vessel or a resuply vessel. I find it strange, that a warhead has crew quarters, a cockpit and a torpedo launcher, especially for a federation vessel.
I had the same feeling but It seems to be duel purpose, used as either a lifeboat or shuttle or as a remote controlled missile of last resort. Strange though that its sister ships did not make use of this feature before the crews abandoned ship in battle.
There's nothing in cannon that states that part of the Defiant is a war head. It was an idea in the design process as and when they designed the defiant concept however they changed it it would not be wise to give up your deflector right to blow up a ship
Great job man! Love your videos! Only feedback I have is I think *some* of the crew quarters were near the interior windows while the others were where you had them (no windows). Also, There has been some back and forth about the front being detachable, but regardless of that, the front was where they docked to DS9. So there had to be a direct port to get out of the front of the ship onto DS9.
Thanks for watching. I basically follow the schematic, so some of the 3D model doesn't exactly line up wit the series, especially with the docking port, which wasn't on the schematic.
Just curious if you plan on creating people that are in Starfleet uniforms when showing inside the ship? I see right now you use just 20th century dressed people. Your videos are great and thanks!!!
@@gabelogan5877 Fleet people do seem oddly obsessed with old Earth culture (Shakespeare, Westerns, hard-boiled detectives, etc), so a 20th-century fashion revival is quite plausible.
Ditch the detachable warhead idea, change it for an armed low speed warp capable rescue / research / landing type mini ship, and this is my personal favourite set up. Fast, powerful, and hard to hit. Working in pairs or mini fleets of 4 they'd be unstoppable. IMHO.
the defiant does not have a detachable warhead in the front. the nose of the defiant carries the deflector systems. no star trek cannon information on the Defiant Escort class cruiser claims to have a detachable warhead and this was verified by the original designer of the final version of the show version of the Defiant
also if you actually watched the show the supposedly detachable warhead was used to dock the Defiant to the Deep Space 9 station, which means the crew boarded the Defiant from the nose section of the ship.
@@fbi805 Yeah, this is a very recent idea I've only seen from UA-cam. I think it was probably based off a technical manual or something, but it's a very dumb idea. A commenter a few comments up suggested a mission specific pod, and honestly, that makes so much more sense. Detaching your deflector along with a third of your crew quarters and a main launcher is just an all around bad idea.
The space in the 3D model was so much greater than the drawings. I get the impression this is one of the ships which changed size often during the show.
Yeah I'm pretty sure quite a few people who worked on the show said the scale of the defiant tended to primarily depend on the context of the scene it was being featured in at that time
Question: the defiant when docked to ds9, its clamped to the station from the nose/ detachable warhead. If it’s attached from the war head, I didn’t see a walk way that leads to an airlock that the crew would either exit to the station or enter the defiant. I always assumed there was an air lock located on the top part of the nose of the defiant. It wasn’t shown to confirm my theory.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar for this...excellent vid the detail, wow, never saw the Defiant class broke down like this...THANKS...ps never knew she could land lol
Hope on your next revise Defiant you’ll include the ship entry on the navigational deflector where the crew access from DS9. I often wonder how they enter the ship through there.
Excellent video on one of my all time favorite ships. But the defiant was not a battleship it has always been described as a destroyer or escort. It is the first federation pure built warship.
@Cerus98 wrong if you've read information and seen any episodes of ds9 it's designated as a destroyer or escort not a battleship. The closest ship in that time of a the feder a ton that would be considered a battleship or ship of the line would be the sovereign class.
@Cerus98 warship doesn't equate battleship there are destroyers, cruisers, heavy cruisers, escorts, frigates. And destroyers not taking on battleships and heavy cruisers ever hear of the Samuel b Roberts or the Johnson. Look them up two "tin can" destroyers going up against battleships and heavy cruisers of the Japanese navy.
@Cerus98 look up the Samuel b roberts and the Johnson from world War 2. I'm done with this pointless back and fourth you really don't understand what's been stated in actual material and historical facts. Have a good one.
@Cerus98 OK they weren't left behind they covered the retriet of the task force and they dis heavily damage and sink several ships. You really don't know your history. Read my comments and you'll understand. If not bug off.
I never really liked the Defiant, despite everyone loving it, because it looked like a scaled up shuttle craft. Then come a few years later, and I found out they just reused a concept for a shuttle craft and scaled it up. It still feels like Trek, so I can't 100% fault it for that. Despite my feelings on the vessel, this was a great, in-depth video!
I think you forgot the docking tube in the front nose-cone. At the bottom of the inverted triangle on the deflector plate. It's how staff and crew entered when docked at DS9.
I still think it looked like a flying tick. It always docked at DS-9 nose first (just like a tick), though I don't see a docking port. As for the crew quarters, they were kinda-sorta like on a Navy ship, only we were stacked 3-high and might have 24 guys in one berthing compartment or more, depending on which one you were assigned. There were several things about the Defiant that reminded me of the time I was stationed on the U.S.S. Truxtun, CGN-35 (CGN = Cruiser, Guided-missile, Nuclear-powered), such as whenever someone went through a door on the Defiant they had to step over the opening (have to simultaneously step over and duck your head when passing through a watertight door on a Navy ship). The ventral side shuttle bay was similar to the NX-01 Enterprise.
One flaw i see in this ship is in the location of the quarters, as optimally they should be on the outside. This is not only so they can have windows, but because quarters should be unnocupied during an emergency situation, and they're one part of the ship that you can lose without any immediate or direct effects on ship operations. Putting them outside is like having an extra layer of ablative armor.
The NX-01 is my favourite, next would be a tie between Voyager and Defiant. Never really cared much for the Galaxy class' look personally, but it will always have a place in my book. Very cool to see a cross section/cut away view of the interior. Cheers.
She's bigger than I realized while watching DS9. I always imagined the Defiant as a kind of a huge, quadruple shuttlecraft, overloaded with weapons and energy systems, but she seems to be much more than that.
I think in reality there would have to be more creature comforts or crew recreation than just a mess hall. I understand it it only has a crew of forty but this is little more than prison with watches. Humans need “to get away” or alone time more often than not. Even tiny WW2 Destroyers had a gym for exercise and little areas set aside for officers, chiefs and senior petty officers. Hell even today a lot of navies have a bar on board to help blow off steam at the end of the day. Nonetheless, I really appreciate your hard work and dedication to bringing ships like this to life!
The 3rd deck diagram with some crew quarters in the warhead section made me think of WWII submarines, where some of the racks and/or hammocks were in the torpedo rooms
You have just made most of the Space Engineers community happier than I can say.
Wow...let's encouraging space engineers community to establish starfleets academy on the Venus, Mars, cloud cities, and motherships. Then when more people have choose to live in the space settlements, we have more space engineers community.
I love how Startrek vessels can sprout weapons, shields, sensors, and anything else, from any spot on the ship, as needed by the episode. This adds extra realism.
I love this ship. Love that when pushed to build a pure warship, starfleets engineers said “hold my beer” and built an absolute beast of a ship
Probably the ultimate FAFO ship in the quadrant's history.
I always felt as though the Federation borrowed from the Romulans with this design. A lot of it reminds me of the Romulan Bird of Prey from TOS.
absolut favorit design galaxy class for me ^^
yeah but in star trek it'd be like "hold my benaprien spring beer" or something else that didn't exist. it couldn't just be regular earth beer lol.
imo, there's still a ton of wasted space in there. They could probably drop the size of the ship by 30% if they used the space more wisely. Or alternately, packed more stuff into the ship.
Imho the detachable warhead is a design error on the showrunners part. It's never mentioned in-show and makes no sense at all since the ship would lose its main deflector (and as far as is known there is no secondary deflector). If it's meant as some last-ditch effort to cause massive damage, why not just warp the ship into an opponent? The crew would need to get off the ship regardless. It makes more sense that it's some interchangeable part of the ship to accommodate certain tactical mission profiles, like the mission-pod of a Nebula class.
Yeah... they should have made it a jamming array or deep sensor array.... Although I understand why as It was designed to go against the borg and the last ditch attempt to save Humanity was a thing.
True, but I think vessels of this era would be able to go low warp speeds for a while without a deflector; relying on shields.
@@ludbud57 correct
Warp the ship into an opponent? You must be from Star Wars :P
there....there are -crew bunks- on the freaking "warhead" who gets THAT lucky room assignment!
I'm a big fan of the bedrooms inside the detachable warhead. Starfleet design at its finest.
Yes if I can't get a officer's room on deck one, I want a room there on deck 3 in the warhead... LOL
The brig, no doubt.
Don't fuck up lieutenant, or your ass will be sleeping inside a bomb the size of a house.
What bedroom are you talking about??
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No toilets though. I guess a bucket had to do.
“Sir I suggest we use the last resort warhead on the cube!”
Word: “ramming speed!”
The interior of the defiant has always interested me. one thing that wasn't really clear was where the path from the main vessel to the detachable warhead was. For boarding it and accessing the docking ports.
I'm glad you placed the impulse engines properly. Everyone else always follows the incorrect DS9 technical manual.
One of the deciding factors in the ships design was that Roddenberry insisting that the nacelles had to face each other and nothing could be between them. This was apparently a concept the producers hated, so when Gene passed we saw more designs like this.
But the funny thing about that as far as the Defiant goes, they do have a portion at the bottom of the ship where there is no hull between them. IMO that would have been a good place to put some glowing blue grills.
Clearly, they found a way around that technical limitation. Probably reversed the polarity on something. 😁
Roddenberry evidently had no problem with the iconic Klingon Bird of Prey. Even though it has a pair of hunched warpdrive "shoulders" packed closely together. No unobstructed open space or line of sight between them, just a big chunk of solid hull.
Gene Roddenberry didn't make it an official standing design rule.
In reality though based on the Defiant's intended purpose you'd want an armored nacelle. That is at least what I took from this. Like other starships which leave them out in the open and vulnerable the Defiant packs them close and covers the outside with armor.
Wow, I was surprised to see how large the Defiant actually is when next to the original Enterprise.
The original Enterprise is also tiny
This isn't to scale, it's one of those bad ones too, you guys never looked this up did you, this is called the great dumbing down.
...Enterprise D is over 2,103 ft long while the enterprise A is only 947, yet looks like it's more than half the size of the enterprise D in this image.
Uss Defiant is only 560 feet and looks like it's 1/3 the length of the D. The defiant can only fit 150 people in extreme situations, it's made for 50. Yet the defiant looks like it's almost 2/3 size of the saucer section which can hold the whole Enterprise D crew of 1,000+
That alone should tell you that it's not accurate size scale
@@jamesmeppler6375 In fact, the deck plans suggest the Defiant is only about 360 to 397 feet, in comparison.
Along with the side cutaway.
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To be fair, there is no one definite size of the Defiant. Its size changes constantly in different shots.
@@starkfels-diespielefestung2680 you may be right visually but that's all about perspective. Like how the sun's 400x further away then the moon is, while being 400x larger so it appears to be the same size in the sky
But this is one thing I love about star trek. Is all the fanboy books, they been making blueprints for almost every star trek ship.
It also begs, NX defiant or the defiant A (uss sao Paulo)
this is the video I didn't know I wanted. The Defiant was quite a curiosity back when the show aired. They depicted it was really, really small in both dialogue and depiction, such as the tiny crew quarters and hallways, and yet in the first episode Odo and Kira take off in a shuttle and I'm like, wait what? They have room for that? The comparison with the 1701 Enterprise sizewise is interesting. It seems to be just as big as her saucer section. Anyway great modeling as always!
To be fair that was a shuttlepod that kinda comes out of a dropbay so it’s not a full on shuttle
This ^^ I thought the Defiant was TINY! The size of a small house maybe. I had no idea it even had decks.
@@cmj0929 it's true, but in that first episode we're not shown the mechanics of how the shuttle works, so I was like "shuttle goes where?" lol
I thought the same thing back when DS9 first aired. We were not shown a visual on how the shuttle launched, so I was confused.
Thank you!
I watched like 8 vids talking about the Defiant, it's history, behind the scenes stuff, but this is the BEST and only vid that actually went deck-by-deck on what this ship was like!
Glad it helped and thanks for watching!
yea and most of the information this person gave in this video is factually incorrect
Love the Defiant, still my favorite Trek ship just because of how far above her weight she punches. Would love to see a breakdown for the Rocinante from The Expanse.
Really goes to show how technically advanced the Federation is compared to other powers in the Alpha quadrant. It's not like the Defiant punches above her weight - it's just that until now we've never seen a Starfleet vessel that was actually dedicated to punching. Compared to, say, a Klingon Bird of Prey (a small-midsized spartan warship from a so-called warrior race), the Defiant would absolutely rock the nuts of anything even close to its size.
And I'm pretty sure that Spacedock has a similar breakdown of the Rocinante.
+1 for the Roci!
+2 for the Roci
+3, especially from a guy that talks like he a Beltalowda.
+4 for the Roci! Post installment of rail guns of course. :)
I remember reading that since the Federation's primary mission was peaceful exploration of space, Starfleet could not have an actual "warship". So the Defiant was classified as an escort vessel, to protect the more vulnerable ships that are for exploration.
The Defiant shuttlecraft was named after Roger B. Chaffee, who lost his life in Apollo 1 accident.
Imagine how much detail Ol' Trek put into things we as the audience never even got to see, it is just outstanding. Reminds me of one of Steve Job's principles I read about in his bio: he would get into arguments with his engineers over the amount of attention to quality applied to even the screws in the motherboard of his computers, and they would say to him, "Steve, no one is even going to be able to open up this laptop to see that!"
Watching DS9 over agin (6x) so I loved this a lot. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Beautiful. Just beautiful. You should be proud of your work, sir.
I remember when DS9 was first coming out, there were a lot of magazine articles (Like from Starlog and Omni) that touched upon how it was “darker” and “morally-complex” compared to TNG. How everyone had shades to grey to it. From the design and origins of the DS9 station to the back-stories, like the Bajorians and The Occupation. The Defiant, to me, was just an extension to that.
Well said!
Halfscreen: The detachable warhead includes a FORWARD TORPEDO LAUNCHER
Me: “I have SEVERAL questions.”
There are many questionable design on the USS Defiant.
Star trek noob here, why is that weird?
I had a good laugh when I saw crew quarters ON the warhead. WTF? Is this just a suicide ship? Was all of Starfleet high when building this?
Just about everything is in that last resort torpedo, no warp because that is where the deflector array is, no impulse engines either as a portion of them is there too. Why do they need water tanks if they synthesize all their food with replicators?
@@curare333 To be fair, the impulse engines in the "Warhead" were separate from the ships impulse engines
Also ships don't need a navigational deflector to warp, plenty of small ships such as warping shuttles don't have navigational deflectors and normal shields should serve as a higher power usage alternative
However I also think the design of the "Warhead" is super dumb and I hate it haha
i just wanted to take a moment and thank you for taking the time to put this all together,
i thoroughly enjoy your deck layout videos, and researched explanations.
I also appreciate that you specifically pointed out the bow of the Defiant was a giant warhead.
far too many videos about the Defiant say that's the bridge
No problem. I learned a lot about the Defiant when I created the interior. I'm more than glad to share my knowledge with other.
@@Halfscreen will you do any videos on Babylon 5 ships?
@@raymondammay Not sure yet since I really don't know much about Babylon 5.
@@Halfscreen Awesome videos though! Especially the one’s about the ship schematics.
Pm my
The Defiant was a real marvel. It's interesting that in many ways, the warhead was also like a mini-attack vessel all it's own as well, almost being multifunctional.
I never knew the top of engineering is in same deck as the. Bridge. This really helps give me a good visual of the relationship of the rooms to each other more than I have ever.
Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I love what you've done with these detailed interiors of star ships! I've been fascinated with Star Wars and Star Trek ships and buildings and wonder how they are put together. I'd love to see one done for Bespin cloud city.
I think you are the first person who has mentioned the Bespin Cloud City.
@@Halfscreen That place is visually and conceptually very fascinating, but the pivotal point of the story took place there also.
One of the best ship breakdown vids I've ever seen! Your animation style really brings it to life - I've probably watched 10 Defiant analysis vids, and this was the first time I felt like I really understood the scale. Thanks for not just reading the same specs, but actually SHOWING them
Thanks! Having done architectural rending back in the day, I have a better understanding of scale though it's not 100% accurate.
Awesome video. Always thought the inspiration for the Defiant interior was a submarine. Minimal room given to crew and comfort, most of the space was taken up by weapons, engines, and equipment.
They're all submarines.
BTW , the shuttles were deployed from aft and starboard hatches on the bottom side o Deck 4/5 according to specs.
Nice post! You unlocked the mystery of the USS Defiant’s layout. Thank you!!!
You're very welcome!
I had no idea the Defiant was so big. It felt like a bigger shuttle on TV because the space looked so jammed up, and they rarely show people doing anything else in the ship except on mission. You see people living in other starships that gives you a sense there are more sections we never get to see, they didn't do that on the Defiant, or at least I ever seen it.
Terrific work on this. The Defiant was a study in understatement and practicality, truly a first for Starfleet!
It's funny that the bridge of the Defiant Class had an almost identical layout to both the NX Class and the Intrepid Class.
Excellent work! I know some fans say the Defiant Class was not capable of landing planetside. I for one always thought she could. Also, thanks for the details tour of the Defiant. Decks 4 and 5 were always a mystery to me. Along with the shuttlebay; Now, that has been clear up.
Glad you enjoyed it. The DS 9 technical manual mentioned it can land
Great job on this. I really wish we had been shown the Defiant landing on a planet. I guess they didn't want to take that show case away from Voyager.
I know that front piece of the Defiant was supposed to be a detachable last ditch warhead but one thing that annoyed me is when it docked at the station the warhead part some how acted for the docking port too. Even though where the docking port would have been we saw a phaser beam come out of it in the episode "Starship Down".
My heart sunk when you showed clips from "The Changing Face Of Evil" and the destruction of the Defiant. My heart sunk back then too when it first aired back then. The music though is awesome.
Yes just like Voyager
Yeah I was going to mention that whole detachable warhead / navigational deflector /docking port all in one design feature. Given the Defiant's configuration not having a secondary hull like other ships is that why they placed it there in the front? because anywhere else on the ship would probably result in an awkward docking position. IDK
Wow. The Defiant is way larger than I always thought it was...
Great video!
His figures are wrong. The Defiant is actually 68.5m long according to the 'Official Star Trek Fact Files' and is plainly seen as 1/10 the size of the USS Enterprise-E's 685m length in Star Trek: First Contact.
@@leagreenall5972 @emkkahn The size as shown on screen was always inconsistent, but very rarely was it ever shown to be anything like 68 meters, and at that size, none of the MSDs shown would make any sense. One reasonable extrapolation based on number of decks (by all accounts 4, not the 5 shown here) it is probably somewhere between 110 and 122 meters long.
@@adamlytle2615 And yet the Official Star Trek fact files show the defiant to be 68.5m, which is in complete keeping with what we see in Star Trek First Contact where the defiant is not even close to being 1/4 of the length of the E, but 1/10th... obvious from 2:50-254
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That detatchable warhead is new to me. When was this ever used?
The Defiant was a very heavily armoured, highly manoeuvrable weapons system. She was built to fight and win, be it close up & personal or from far away. She could easily take down a capital ship without breaking too much of a sweat.
I watch this every time UA-cam suggests it 😂 love it.
Oddly enough, i think i found a second schematics the other day, which maybe more correct than this one.
OHBOY! I've been waiting for this one! I was surprised by the compartments that got the inward-facing windows in the dorsal hull, deck 4 and 5. Water tanks with a view i guess. The notion of the forward section as a detachable warhead was always weird. I know it was on the official schematics but I don't remember it ever being in the plot. And how many times on the show they docked the ship at DS9 docking ports through it: extra weird. But I loved your model and breakdown. THANK YOU!
The Captain's Yacht was on the plans, but we never see one in use until ST Insurection. We also never got to see how big a Galaxy class main shuttle bay is. As for docking and entering/exiting via the nose, there is a telescoping docking port. Some things are to be left up to the imagination!
Thanks. I always thought the detachable warhead was a strange design, especially with the cockpit and crew quarters inside.
Yeah those internal facing windows on the lower decks make no sense when combined with this internal configuration. That's a LOT of windows with literally no purpose.
@@WozWozEre This is probably based on the 3D model I downloaded.
@@Halfscreen I see. Thanks for the awesome videos 👍
Nice layout, nice execution, and all around a comfortable viewing experience. You are doing great, man
Thanks a bunch!
So the “detachable warhead”:
In my theory the defiant class was designed to be a single mission type vessel , with a mission specific module being installed into the the nose of the vessel , but because the defiants were rushed into production as tactical vessels that forward section was early on universally used to expand the ships tactical ability. A scout version of this vessel packed that nose with sensors, a engineering vessel saw it armed with a tractor beam , a hospital ship saw it as a detachable ambulance ship, etc etc etc and that is why it has a cockpit and cabins. It’s was originally designed as an auxiliary craft but was redesigned the way it was, but with some systems still there for its original intent never having been removed
The Defiant was originally designed to combat the Borg Collective (the design team's motto was "Assimilate This !"), with the warhead being designed as a single one-shot, massively powerful, last-ditch-attempt weapon, since using it would also destroy the main deflector dish and effectively strand the ship in interstellar space. With the waning of the Borg threat, the warhead was never mentioned in the series, ever, and presumably it was repurposed into something else on the ship.
Actually, it was designed that way because the production reused a shuttle craft concept and scaled it up to a small vessel. The "detachable warhead" was the cockpit.
Well all I can say is anything that “wastes space” by putting bunk beds in it, has to serve a purpose greater than just being a “detachable warhead”
Fantastic walkthrough of my favorite Star Trek vessel. I always wondered about the facilities of Decks 4 and 5, as they were rarely referenced on DS9. Thanks for the amazing schematics and ship breakdown.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, I've seen these plans before and it was great to see them in 3d. The only thing I would correct is while many tech manuals place Defiant at ~171 meters, her scale with these plans puts her closer to ~125 meters. And the LCARS that appears in the show designed by Doug Drexler considered the ship to be ~ 125 meters.
LOVED this; thanks for putting it together!
For some reason, I'm obsessed with the conventional phaser strips that the Defiant must've had. I mean, we've seen it fire phasers from somewhere behind the bridge... Most schematics I can find online make no mention of conventional phasers strips, though one said that the darker strip that ran along the spine of the ship behind the bridge was a phaser strip, and it also said that a darker strip along the dorsal side of the forward warhead was also a phaser strip---and there were phaser strips running across the ventral of the warp nacelles, as well.
The way this video goes, it kind of looks like the Defiant's only aft weapon emplacements were its aft torpedo launchers.
No problem.
I'd guess that was an old style 'phaser turret' just atop the bridge, myself, @longWriter . Whilst the main quantum torpedo tubes are actually in the triangular cutouts called 'phaser bays' or 'targeting sensors' elsewhere.
Once again I'd like to thank Christopher walken for another great video
I am pleased you added the embarking/disembarking area in the deflector area.
Cheers!
Your CGI seems to improve with every vid and you've really done justice to this "tough little ship", it looks gorgeous! 👍
Thanks. I try to keep it a bit cleaner and using better 3D assets in general.
wish the technical details were even close to being right
Little?
My absolute favorite ship of all time. Thanks for the video!
No problem!
Some very nice work! I do wonder about all those windows on the lower decks that seem to open out from machinery rooms.
Well there's one thing that was never brought up I noticed about the defiant where the docking Bay/docking hatch was and that whole area and all the scenes that was ever used to do Space nine you see that the defiant docs forward into the docking ring normally at the section where the documents are located in a lot of other scenes you see other specific small craft the federation docked forward style like the Miranda class which I think was the only other federation ship that did that besides the defiant all other ships usually used the docking pylons upper and or lower Galaxy class excelsior nebula intrepid and to name probably any other ones that have been built with similar docking areas for each of those classes so yeah but it's never brought up is the location of the docking Bay for the embark and disembarkation to and from the ship
These people have gone so far out of their way not to bring back DS 9 it’s sickening.
Always loved the Defiant. Would REALLY love the Defiant to be equipped with borg armour like Voyager was, and the phased cloak like the Pegasus.
An Iso Kinetic cannon wouldn't go amiss either.
And spore drive :)
@@martinrowley6901 might as well ass a chameleon circuit and turbo lasers
Always wanted to see the inside of startrek ships t
Another delightful video, cheers Halfscreen.
Glad you enjoyed it
You forgot the most important part of the ship...the plot armor.
I can't get rid of the feeling, that the detachable warhead is more intended as a auxiliary craft like a captains yacht or so, maybe a scout vessel or a resuply vessel. I find it strange, that a warhead has crew quarters, a cockpit and a torpedo launcher, especially for a federation vessel.
I had the same feeling but It seems to be duel purpose, used as either a lifeboat or shuttle or as a remote controlled missile of last resort. Strange though that its sister ships did not make use of this feature before the crews abandoned ship in battle.
I seriously doubt the author knows the definition of "warhead."
Mike Cranapple maybe... it's believable.
There's nothing in cannon that states that part of the Defiant is a war head. It was an idea in the design process as and when they designed the defiant concept however they changed it it would not be wise to give up your deflector right to blow up a ship
Great job man! Love your videos! Only feedback I have is I think *some* of the crew quarters were near the interior windows while the others were where you had them (no windows). Also, There has been some back and forth about the front being detachable, but regardless of that, the front was where they docked to DS9. So there had to be a direct port to get out of the front of the ship onto DS9.
Thanks for watching. I basically follow the schematic, so some of the 3D model doesn't exactly line up wit the series, especially with the docking port, which wasn't on the schematic.
There sure are a lot of shuttle craft for a small crew.
Just curious if you plan on creating people that are in Starfleet uniforms when showing inside the ship? I see right now you use just 20th century dressed people. Your videos are great and thanks!!!
For some reason, I having tough time find 3D model of people with Starfleet uniforms.
I was hoping for NU|)ES. 😉😁
Actually That's just Starfleet officers wearing their civilian clothing.
@@gabelogan5877 Fleet people do seem oddly obsessed with old Earth culture (Shakespeare, Westerns, hard-boiled detectives, etc), so a 20th-century fashion revival is quite plausible.
Ditch the detachable warhead idea, change it for an armed low speed warp capable rescue / research / landing type mini ship, and this is my personal favourite set up. Fast, powerful, and hard to hit. Working in pairs or mini fleets of 4 they'd be unstoppable. IMHO.
Or maybe it’s just deflector and sensors? I feel that makes the most sense. It already has auxiliary craft
that was awesome, thanks for creating this. I did not know about the detachable warhead or the landing struts
Glad it was helpful!
the defiant does not have a detachable warhead in the front. the nose of the defiant carries the deflector systems. no star trek cannon information on the Defiant Escort class cruiser claims to have a detachable warhead and this was verified by the original designer of the final version of the show version of the Defiant
also if you actually watched the show the supposedly detachable warhead was used to dock the Defiant to the Deep Space 9 station, which means the crew boarded the Defiant from the nose section of the ship.
@@fbi805 Yeah, this is a very recent idea I've only seen from UA-cam. I think it was probably based off a technical manual or something, but it's a very dumb idea. A commenter a few comments up suggested a mission specific pod, and honestly, that makes so much more sense. Detaching your deflector along with a third of your crew quarters and a main launcher is just an all around bad idea.
The space in the 3D model was so much greater than the drawings.
I get the impression this is one of the ships which changed size often during the show.
Yeah I'm pretty sure quite a few people who worked on the show said the scale of the defiant tended to primarily depend on the context of the scene it was being featured in at that time
Question: the defiant when docked to ds9, its clamped to the station from the nose/ detachable warhead. If it’s attached from the war head, I didn’t see a walk way that leads to an airlock that the crew would either exit to the station or enter the defiant. I always assumed there was an air lock located on the top part of the nose of the defiant. It wasn’t shown to confirm my theory.
Sometimes, the schematic and shows don't always line up. This has happened on many occasions.
ONe another airlock ( and docking ramp in case of planetary landing) is on bottom, so without "nose" it can dock on one of pylons and use this
@@tomaskops7119 The Ds9 Tech Manual does have deckplans for the Defiant, meanwhile, and they do show two docking tunnels, on I believe deck 3.
DS9 is my favorite Trek, and I love the 3D Model and your guided tour. Great work.
Awesome, thank you!
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar for this...excellent vid the detail, wow, never saw the Defiant class broke down like this...THANKS...ps never knew she could land lol
Glad it was helpful!
The number of questions you just answered here is...a lot. Great video as usual!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hope on your next revise Defiant you’ll include the ship entry on the navigational deflector where the crew access from DS9. I often wonder how they enter the ship through there.
It wasn't on the schematic for some reason.
@@Halfscreen true enough. Its really a head scratcher though
The only ships we saw of the Defiant class:
U.S.S. Defiant
I.S.S. Defiant
U.S.S. Valiant
U.S.S. Sao Palo
Starfleet: We need an A-10
Sisco: Hold my Raktajino
It always felt so tiny to me, more like a very large shuttle, but it’s much bigger than I expected.
Imagine having one of the berths on the forward warhead. Would be similar to crew sleeping in between the ICBMs on an Ohio-class sub.
Thanks so much for making these. My friends and I use these videos to build our Minecraft recreations of Star Trek ships
That's awesome! I guess one creation spawn another!
Excellent video on one of my all time favorite ships. But the defiant was not a battleship it has always been described as a destroyer or escort. It is the first federation pure built warship.
@Cerus98 wrong if you've read information and seen any episodes of ds9 it's designated as a destroyer or escort not a battleship. The closest ship in that time of a the feder a ton that would be considered a battleship or ship of the line would be the sovereign class.
@Cerus98 warship doesn't equate battleship there are destroyers, cruisers, heavy cruisers, escorts, frigates.
And destroyers not taking on battleships and heavy cruisers ever hear of the Samuel b Roberts or the Johnson. Look them up two "tin can" destroyers going up against battleships and heavy cruisers of the Japanese navy.
@Cerus98 look up the Samuel b roberts and the Johnson from world War 2. I'm done with this pointless back and fourth you really don't understand what's been stated in actual material and historical facts. Have a good one.
@Cerus98 OK they weren't left behind they covered the retriet of the task force and they dis heavily damage and sink several ships. You really don't know your history. Read my comments and you'll understand. If not bug off.
Great video didn't know about the 2 small shuttle bays on deck 4 that makes this ship even better
I never really liked the Defiant, despite everyone loving it, because it looked like a scaled up shuttle craft. Then come a few years later, and I found out they just reused a concept for a shuttle craft and scaled it up. It still feels like Trek, so I can't 100% fault it for that.
Despite my feelings on the vessel, this was a great, in-depth video!
Thanks. Its an odd design imo.
I think you forgot the docking tube in the front nose-cone. At the bottom of the inverted triangle on the deflector plate. It's how staff and crew entered when docked at DS9.
As usual, there's an awful lot of conjecture in these deck plans. But well done!
Tell me about it
I still think it looked like a flying tick. It always docked at DS-9 nose first (just like a tick), though I don't see a docking port. As for the crew quarters, they were kinda-sorta like on a Navy ship, only we were stacked 3-high and might have 24 guys in one berthing compartment or more, depending on which one you were assigned. There were several things about the Defiant that reminded me of the time I was stationed on the U.S.S. Truxtun, CGN-35 (CGN = Cruiser, Guided-missile, Nuclear-powered), such as whenever someone went through a door on the Defiant they had to step over the opening (have to simultaneously step over and duck your head when passing through a watertight door on a Navy ship). The ventral side shuttle bay was similar to the NX-01 Enterprise.
I was looking for the docking port but couldn't find it on the schematic, the same goes for the restroom. 😁
such detail. thank you for sharing. so exciting to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it!
One flaw i see in this ship is in the location of the quarters, as optimally they should be on the outside. This is not only so they can have windows, but because quarters should be unnocupied during an emergency situation, and they're one part of the ship that you can lose without any immediate or direct effects on ship operations. Putting them outside is like having an extra layer of ablative armor.
Finally! The Defiant makes sense!!! Tough little ship!
The NX-01 is my favourite, next would be a tie between Voyager and Defiant. Never really cared much for the Galaxy class' look personally, but it will always have a place in my book. Very cool to see a cross section/cut away view of the interior. Cheers.
Interesting that this layout is so from the Star Trek deep space nine technical manual.
Very cool. Very briefly I considered using this video to create the defiant in Space Engineers.
You should.
I had no idea it was this big, thank you for making this video
No problem!
The ship was not designed to land or do atmospheric entry, that is clearly stated in the episode Starship down.
Great Intro of Uss Defiant. Have a great evening
Thanks for the visit
Great video. The most detailed information about this ship found anywhere. Thanks
My pleasure and thanks for watching Eddie!
@@Halfscreen thank you for the good work on all your videos they are full of information and interesting to watch.
Excellent vid. I had no idea the defiant had landing legs. Would love to see you do a Nova Class deep dive.
Such a beautifully designed ship. Kurtzman Trek with its copy and paste blur ships could learn so much from TNG/DS9 era Star Trek.
The defiant was always my favourite ship
These are so great. Really appreciate all the work you put into these.
Much appreciated!
The little ship that could, I like the Defiant.
"Little?"
Worf: 'Little?'
Klingons don’t do anything small.
This ship doesn't have a gun. The gun have a ship.
Excellent and detailed illustration of the defiant!
The front is not a war head it the communications array just like every other starfleet ship
I will look into it.
Surprisingly there seems to still be a lot of empty space
She's bigger than I realized while watching DS9. I always imagined the Defiant as a kind of a huge, quadruple shuttlecraft, overloaded with weapons and energy systems, but she seems to be much more than that.
I absolutely love this ship. ❤
I think in reality there would have to be more creature comforts or crew recreation than just a mess hall. I understand it it only has a crew of forty but this is little more than prison with watches. Humans need “to get away” or alone time more often than not. Even tiny WW2 Destroyers had a gym for exercise and little areas set aside for officers, chiefs and senior petty officers. Hell even today a lot of navies have a bar on board to help blow off steam at the end of the day. Nonetheless, I really appreciate your hard work and dedication to bringing ships like this to life!
Yeah. I didn't see anything that represent fun time on the Defiant.
The 3rd deck diagram with some crew quarters in the warhead section made me think of WWII submarines, where some of the racks and/or hammocks were in the torpedo rooms