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Comparison Test Of Four Eastwood Powder Coats For Cast Bullets
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2017
- So let's go ahead and test four of our recently acquired Eastwood powders for powder coating our bullets - The Bright Pink, Bird Yellow, Pastel Blue, and Gloss White. Test criteria will be one coat coverage and success of use with our basket and silicone mat systems...
These tests are awesome. I appreciate your time and effort. Because of you time, effort and money spent we as reloaders will save money by using the colors that work. Thank You!!!
The Reloader Dude - And thank you for the gracious remarks...Think of all the effort being done in the area of powder coating cast bullets and all the more that has to be done before we can finally have some kind of Cast Bullet Powder Coating Manual where all the materials and processes that are most important, reliable, safe, productive and economical complete with reloading data - comes to being. We are still in the growing stages, but getting information out is still beneficial to all... Have a great day, FC
@@FortuneCookie45LC I'm new to your channel. Great video! Regarding the white and yellow, would it help to clean the bullets in an acetone bath prior to coating?
Thank,s for sharing the info on the different color,s , it help,s the rest of us new to powder coating .
Thank you so much for all that you do to help us save time and money.
archersfriend - I had a lot of help from Doug way back when - who knows how much effort and frustration that saved me when I started reloading? Now with YT, any of us can help pay that back... Best to ya, FC
Great videos thanks for taking the time to do them. Your videos 3 years ago got me into reloading.
Boogieman007 - Some might say that you have been corrupted for life... but I would not say that... It's good to have you riding along on the Hot Lead Zone Express.... "--- Boooard..!! Next stop Bullet Casting Gulch..." Best to ya, FC
FortuneCookie45LC " chugga chugga choo choo" hot lead zone express.
Boogieman007 - really like your style, Boogieman007 ..!! Please drop over any time - my train car is near the center of the train...Best to ya, FC
Looks like mine during the monsoon season. Had to coat twice...a real pain, but when the monsoons are over it will be back to one coat...
Pre-heating the white and tellow bullets may help?
Preheat heat the bullets . I tried it after watching Elvis Ammo video. Great videos FC good shooting to you. From Kentucky.
Travis Rains - Hail to the Great Blue Grass State - Home of the Derby..and fine rye whiskey!! kinda like poetry... I've often said that if my vibe tumbler lets me down and the powder doesn't coat, I'm going to go with the Elvis Ammo 4 / 140 system. But the vibe tumbler hasn't failed me yet. I'm a-waitin' though. Take care, Kaintuck..!! Interesting though that when the Bird Yellow looked so bad, I tossed 'em back in the tumbler for a second coat and they were still warm going in - the second coat finished what the first did not. Perhaps I should do the 4 / 140 straight up as you suggest... Best to ya, FC
Thanks for this, I just sent them an email to see if their paints would work with jigheads and then found your video. You answered that!
madmoosebaits - Yes on PC for jigheads - and you have more than one way to get the job done - shake 'em in plastic tub, vibrate 'em in vibe tumbler or do the Elvis 4 / 140 system... Good PC to ya, FC
Thanks for the review of Eastwood PC. I tried Forest Green & Gloss red from “The Powder Coat Store” with good results.
When standing rifle bullets on their bases try using the plastic tray from factory pistol ammo to keep those long rifle bullets from falling over.I put the bullets in the factory ammo tray nose down with tongs,then place your baking sheet on the bullet bases, flip the baking sheet,ammo tray,and bullets over and place the whole works in the oven.Once everything is stable remove the factory ammo tray off the top of the bullets and bake.Makes beautiful rifle bullets every time.
hahaha I like the way you say hot pink and bird yellow for some reason. I guess I'll go make some barbie rounds now.
Hi. A good tip is to use less powder. I have good coat even with the white powder by using only 2-3 tablespoons of powder in the thumbler. It seems that less powder in the thumbler do a better coat than using a lot of powder. It working great for me. Have a great day :)
Biygutta - I did use less this time. Will have to use even less next time... Have a great day, FC
Good looking bullets
As i live in Germany and those eastwood powders are not available here, I am using completely different powders from completely different companies.
I find it to be very interesting that I made the same experiences with each of the powders I am using. Your grayish blue coating worked best, same with me. Your yellow wasn’t that great but a second layer will make that work. Same with me. Your white does not seem to work, mine doesn’t work too.
The fact that they are from the same company would lead to thinking the color won’t make a difference bit the difference seems to be huge.
I am slowly beginning to think that some colors and their pigments work very well and other ones don’t.
May it be possible that the color is more critical to the final result than the kind of powder or the company that produces it. Don‘t want to say quality and maker of the powder do not matter.
Can you say what kind of powder you using? I am also from europe.
For those beautiful bullets made with the PID, a clear powder coat might be good.
For some reason only colors on the red spectrum (red, pink, purple) seem to be any good.
Thanks for the hard work FC, I can tell you put in a lot of time doing this.
Some of the blues also seem to work well. Pastel vs gloss vs flat can also make a difference for any color.
I'd also be curious about the clears, silvers and chromes.
Dick Tickles - Does take time switching all the colors. Much easier to find a good powder and just stick with that for production...but there is some fun of discovery in this - even the powders that don't do that well are useful for color combinations later. Have a great day, and I enjoy getting all your comments... FC Steve
Psyko Klown - Now with JRB PID temp controller and all the bullets come out that great shiny result, the chromes will just give the same finish - the clear coat may be all we need... we shall see - but first, I have more colors to test... Best to ya, FC Steve
Thanks for all the time you invest, this has been a stable platform for my reloading. You for most everything and Bubba Round tree for the slugs are the beat help out there.
Buck Barnes - And your gracious comments are much appreciated...good reloadin' to ya, FC Steve
Eastwood black did the same thing as the white and yellow, I would like to see a color that looks the color as cast bullet color. Looks the same cast bullet but powder coated. The two best colors so far for me is the Harbor freight red and Eastwood ford blue. Watch a other guy do powder by the pound neon green, look good
I am also looking for a powder coat that doesn’t look like powder coat. LFB coats well for me, but just doesn’t look right in a classic cartridge like 45 Colt- yet my SAA has large throat diameters and will lead with traditional lube- but not with power coat. I’m gonna try Eastwood’s clear, maybe combined with traditional lube.
where do you get your powder from
Any reason one shouldn’t powder coat .356 FMJ or plated 9mm for use in 38 special? Would they need gas checks?
Those came out real nice Mr. Cookie! Now you should try the chrome bonded from eastwood. I think you'd be happy with the results. They look awesome in a cylinder or ammo belt too.
I really like that powder too.
Steel Punisher 69 - Thanks for the suggestion - it's good that you and Boogieman007 already like it.. Will get around to the chrome eventually, but some other colors first...I've got four more colors to test...Have a great day, FC
Hey Cookie.. I can hardly wait for the range test of those beautiful 240 Lee bullets out of the Marlin lever action. Like we know, You and I can't buy better bullets. The PID unit is a handy appliance, Nice casting Steve, Good shooting to ya. Dave.
Thorsaxe777 - I've been checking your channel twice a day looking for more work with that Davis N-frame... the anticipation in the air can be cut with my Kershaw Blur..!! lol... horrors, not trying to rush ya.. we can wait for all good things. Best to ya, Steve
I've been working Graves, By the time I get to sleep @0830 and finely wake up @ 1500 in the afternoon most of the day as far as going to the range is shot. The range is only open til 1700.. Ugh.. Things we do for our career.. I'll get something together on my weekend for everybody Steve.
Forgot to say thanks for the powder review :-)
You the MAN FC!! That pink will match My UpLula Nicely!!
Karl Radford - I'm glad you suggested I do that Bright Pink first - If I had done the Gloss White or Bird Yellow first, would have been a bad start... Have a great day, FC Steve
You say that sizing the bullets will take care of the problem. Can you show us a few examples after sizing? Great video man!
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How would it work if you put those freedom pills in a bucket, a put a palm sander with no sandpaper on it on the outside of the bucket? For those of us that dont have an extra tumbler!
with all tests(yours, others, and mine), we can tell than the "all" the blue tones and "all" the red tones work very well with our powder coat method(tumbler or shake, and bake), with polyester powder(Eastwood and Harbor Freight).
I will try an urethane powder from Eastwood, and epoxy from other brand.
I consider pink and orange as derived of red.
The Rangers Bulldogs - Sure seems that way - and the takeoffs of the blues = the grays all do well. The whites and takeoffs on whites like the pale yellows don't work as well. I haven't tested the polyurethane or epoxy powders as of yet... If you do test these, it will be good to get multiple testings for a more valid review... The more data, the better Best to ya, FC
I am going to have to order some different powders to try in my jig set up.
I'm curious if anyone has tried the copper penny coating from eastwood? I bought some and I'm going to try it. It seems like from shaking i may need two applications. But i think it'll be neat on my bullets
I tried the copper vein and it came out well. I’m sure the copper penny is close to the copper vein.
@@Buildeverything I recently shot my first batch of copper penny. It coats well but it more of a clear coat than anything. I believe it's a second coat to the coppers. But it doesn't look bad
@@mybuickskill6979 good to know thank you for sharing. I’ve tried the lime green, red , copper vein, Ford blue and matt clear. Hands down the Ford blue covers the best followed by the red , then lime green.
So the problem I am having after spending several days powder coating several thousand rounds in multi cals is the amount of bullets I can powder coat at one time. With the Elvis method I can coat about 50 at a time. Why ? Well if I do any more say 75 to 100 at a time ... they don't coat well. Less is more for me. I wish it wasn't so. But under 50 at a time and they come out real nice. Over that and they are splochy. I was wondering if you have better results using your vibratory tumbler method?
have you heard anything about abrasives being used in the powder coating . that is not good for shooting threw gun barrel
Many thanks for your testing. Very helpful. I saw that Eastwood produce a powder gun as well. May I ask your opinion regarding why you do not attempt electrostatic coating of the bullet? For example mounting them on a pre-drilled wood base covered with a conducting medium like aluminium foil? I think this would allow for a more even/uniform coating, but your expertise in this field would be highly appreciated.
What is the advantage of powder coated bullets over sized and lubed? Seems it takes much more time to coat them.
I have heard that black powder coat is bad for the bore - any thoughts on that?
Thanks.
I tried the dark yellow Eastwood and had the same problem.
I think you should try Eastwood Extreme Chrome to make some silver bullets. . .
try using Pure Acetone and Eastwood Powder Coats the same method use as HI-TEK-LUBE COATING, POWDERED
Where do you get that silicone mat
Have you tried sizing the bullets first, then powder coating?
as I told you before my wife picked out seafoam green as a color for me. I have to make her happy so she dosent get upset that I spend so much time in my reloading room. well I can't expect you to remember that I let her pick it out as you have SOOOO many followers. that is a good thing. I tried to use the Elvis Ammo preheat method. it worked really well on the first batch. for some reason the second batch was so thick that the bullets looked like melting butter. the bullet didn't deform. the powder was so thick that it completely covered the lube grooves. the Eastwood powder is so much easier to use then the harbor freight powder. I have only used the red. I'm going to try just hand tumbling the next batch and see how that works out. one pound will probably last me the rest of my life. I am very happy with their products so far. I would love to send you a few ounces so you can try it out and get your opinion. no sense in purchasing a pound just to try it out that is if you are interested in it. I always like a second and sometimes even a third. so far I trust you more then anybody on your information. experience goes a long way with me. I would love to try the pink for my wife but don't think I would buy it unless it works for me. you know the saying what works for me might not for you. like I said before I have to keep the wife happy. is there a way that I could send you some of that powder? I would understand if you don't want to give out a mailing address. and thanks again for the informative video. never stop learning... Grant
Grant Atkinson - When I bought my latest 8 powders, I didn't buy any of the Eastwood greens because they have already been done by other YT posters. If they work well for others doing similar processes, they have a high chance of working for us... so I purchased 8 of their newer powders. Once I get these tested, I intend to get some of the greens as well. Grant, we can surely send stuff back and forth, but when I get powder coat, I really do want a pound because if it works well, I want to use it. Your report on the goodness of the seafoam green is good news. I won't have to test that one... I can buy a pound of that with confidence. Have a great day, FC
very interesting thanks for sharing
What is a "PID Controller"? Where does it go?
Its basically a bit of kit that turns the power on and off according to temperature and helps the temperature stay more consistent. It uses a thermocouple placed directly into the molten lead. Once it cools down it turns the power on omce the temp gets too high it shuts it off. And it does this many times a second as per parameters you set. Look up pid controller on amazon. Also search Johnny's reloading bench pid controller
Thanks for the test.
treesablowin - And reloaders have more options... that's a good thing...even though we know that HF Red and Eastwood Ford Light Blue are so good - variety is still the spice of life most of the time...too much spice can kill us. Best to ya, FC
Yeah I just ordered some unlubed, unsized cast bullets, and looking at a couple colors from Eastwood.
treesablowin - You are very wise - getting them unlubed prevents the waste of the company lubing 'em and the the waste of you having to remove the lube - nasty job. If you have been checking my videos, turns out the Periwinkle Gray and Aqua Blue, Pastel Blue, Cadillac Blue, Bright Pink as well as the Ford Light Blue are great powders from Eastwood. I still have to test the Orange and Mirror Red yet, but we have Harbor Freight Red that is also very good. We want thin and One and Done powders. Best to ya, FC
I just ordered a couple the other day, the hot navy and lime, should be interesting
treesablowin - I think others have used the lime and it works fine, but don't know about the hot Navy --- Please let me know so I can get the word out on that... Best to ya, FC
awesome video thank you!
Been watching getting ready for my own lead casting an I got white to start but I'm not looking to pretty up my bullets I just want a coat to prevent leading of the barrel I am assuming that the white still coats well just doesn't color well?
miller17013 - white is one of the harder colors to get good results with PC. Slam dunk is HF red and Eastwood Ford Light Blue. Eastwood mirror red is good as is any of the Eastwood blues and grays. Since you have the white, you might as well give it a try. If shooting handgun, it will do for you, but I would avoid using white in rifle barrels until you get a better coating with the white - it’s really best for electrostatic coating. Wish you started with the reds for sure satisfaction... FC Steve
Those Pink boolits look great. Just wondering, do the ladies give you any extra attention at the range when you show up with these? I'm always looking for pointers.
B WAX - Thanks for your interesting comment. You know, when the ladies show up with their pink, purple, and pastel guns - bullets in the like are a big hit (pardon the pun). 95% of the shooters at the range are spectacular and easy to meet. But of worthy note, 100% of the ladies at the range are spectacular and easy to meet. And because of the streaks of gray in my hair, it's even easier as they know my interest is purely on the up and up. Of course, they are 100% right. Best to ya, FC
I request you give an answer to this question that has been stumping me. I have a micro groove 30-30 marlin lever gun , i need to get a mold so i can cast and the PC. My slugged size is .3115. Knowing that i will PC should my mold be a .309 or a .311. After Pc should i size or not?
Can i use a gas check mold for PC? Which fp lee mold do you suggest to get me going? Thanks mr cookie.
Edad Martin - Thanks for your good questions - you will hear that your micro groove will not shoot cast well. But that is because of two factors - one of which you have already noted - 1) you need bigger bullets to shoot accurately - .313 - .314". 2) you need to hold your velocity down to 1700fps or less (some report being able to go faster without bullets stripping off the shallow rifling - but 1700 gives you a good margin). The Ballard cut rifling is so much better, Marlin listened to all the flak and all the latest Marlins have the cut rifling. You are also limited by needing a flat nose design best for tubular magazines. All the 30/30 cast bullet designs have a flat nose. The more rounded designs are for our bolt guns. Some report that shooting RN run through tube magazines to be safe, but that is not with hard kicking loads - and where does the line for hard kicking start? We do not want to ever experience a chain fire in our tubes to find out how bad that is. So, for the fine Lee molds, we are limited to the 309 - 150 - F and the 309 - 170 - F (F for flat point). With any luck, they will cast at .310-.311 and then we can PC them with Harbor Freight Red (thicker coat measurements after PC with HF Red ; Eastwood powders are thinner) to get your .313 - .314" If your mold drops 'em at .312, then the Eastwood powders come in. If your final PC bullets are .313 - .314" you will not need to size at all. Even if the bullets are not perfectly round, they will shoot fine. That's a good thing because they don't make bullet sizing dies at .313 or .314 anyway. Good shootin' to ya, FC
have you ever tried just clear coating? I want to start coating my cast hollow point bullets.
I tried heating yellow did not work any better.
Hey FC I couldn't help but notice when you had the bullets on the tray that you had them on a beer keg, are you a fellow home brewer like myself
grounds28 - Very observant of you, yon Jedi...most impressive... Yes, but it is my son-in-law that does the brewing...and he had all the equipment and goods as well...went with him on some purchase trips... Have a great day, and good brewin' to ya..!! FC
Hey FC, is that controller from Johnnies Reloading Bench for sale ?
Bet if you sprayed the white and yellow on then they would come out much better. But spraying sounds like a real pain to do.
chevy6299 - That's the whole thing for sure - the electrostatic is the surest and best way to get professional results. But powder coating bullets in 1000 batches doing the electrostatic is too time consuming to do - if so, I'd just do the 45/45/10 lube system that can lube 1000 bullets requiring only 12 minutes of actual effort. We can stand doing a bit more effort to powder coat, but there is a limit to where the time spent takes away too much time. Best to ya, FC Steve
Exactly FC plus the added cost of compressors and what goes with them. You could have a grand tied up in stuff just to powder coat a few bullets.
I think the problem was with the basket. The mesh was too big. My small mesh size works better. I know its counter - intuitive to think a smaller mesh size would work better. After all doesn't that mean more contact with the bullet surface and thus more scraps? I think it has to do with weight distribution. The smaller mesh distributes the weight more even and thus doesn't make large marks. Well mine doesn't anyway. So I think that is the solution.
For me, the smaller sized mesh means the black bbs are more difficult to remove. I actually need larger holes in my 1/4 inch mesh right now to get the BBs to fall through.
Do you think Eastwood ever thought we would be doing this with their powders?
Using way to much powder. I put 100 warm bullets in a plastic container with 1 teaspoon of gloss blue or red then shake for about 30 seconds. Dump them on a 1/4” mesh screen and cook for 20 minutes at 400°. Perfect! And no sticking. Warm - I use a heat gun. They’re to hot if you can’t hold several in your closed fist for 5 seconds.
Jack Sprat - As time went by, we used less and less powder to do the job...but shaking also helps to keep excess powder off the bullets and prevent excess and clumping in the event that too much powder was present during the tumbling. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to ya..!! FC Steve
Corny keg huh you home brew was well?
The bullets look like colored Easter Eggs!
gman77gas - Have no fear, my good friend Gary - there will be a good supply of those shiny beautiful raw casties always on hand (especially since the frosties are no longer in the mix thanks to that JRB PID) - going to do more casting today... Best to ya, FC Steve
Homebrew corny keg?
Maybe the blue has TOO much powder on them so they stick together. What if you go the old shake and bake method by hand for the blue? I don't think it fair to blame your trusty basket as we have seen you countless times produce piles of nice bullets in that old basket!
And the white bullets look like cookies and cream chocolate bars now! Haha
Dave L - The secret to getting good PC is to have powder coverage coming out of our shake and bake, vibe tumbler, or hot bullet systems - then we want to do the vertical shaking in the basket until no more loose powder falls out - insures against getting those bad clumps. Then off to the oven they go...The longer rifle bullets may not do well in with the basket technique...the parchment paper may very well be the solution - I'm going to do some casting today - then it's to Safeways we go for some parchment paper. Have a great day, FC Steve
FortuneCookie45LC how did the parchment paper turn out? Always fun to go to the baking aisle for your shooting needs!! Haha!!
Dave L - The parchment paper and also the non-stick foil allows long bullets to lie on their side and not have bad marks from that after PC is done. Best to not let the bullets touch together though as that adds blemishes that we do not prefer. Long bullets do not do well in the basket. Best to ya, FC
FortuneCookie45LC ah thank you for the testing!! I will keep this in mind when I finally get into casting for the 308 and 30-30 eventually!
Fortune Cookie, you should get the triple glow powder coating and do some bullets!? That powder is crazy bright even in daylight and it glows for 5 hrs with only 10 mins of sunlight!! glonation.com
Thanks.
DamionChrist - Thanks for the tip, but we do have to check out the makeup of our powder coats to make sure no barrel abrasives are in there...If so, that glow in the night should be interesting... Best to ya, FC
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Eatherbreather - And top of the afternoon to ya, Eatherbreather..!! Best Regards, FC