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Powder Coating For WORRY WARTS (Bigger The Better)
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2018
- My go to method for cast bullets! A combination of low heat and high volume. Non stick, More time to eat PIE! : )
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In powder coating I haven’t heard of anyone trying to shoot MOA groups with them so why sweat little spots on cast bullets that we can push to mag pistol velocity with good accuracy and no leading. At a price that non casters envy. Life is too short to spend hrs making little lines of bullets. Elvis is right teaching us how to powder coat bullets in bulk and not worry about a few Little dingle berries that isn’t going to matter except in theory. You will shoot better using the time saved to go shoot rather than making neat rows to bake prefect is going to improve the looks of a few bullets.
For rifle yes, I strive and shot sub MOA groups but for pistol I don't care!
Gotta take care of us Worry Warts! You had me rolling with that title. I used to think the bullets looked nicer standing them up on non-stick foil, but I quickly discovered at the range that the targets prove it doesn't matter.
Hi Elvis - you have both the process and the shake down to both an art and a science. Who could ask for more. Way to go!! I love it. Joe
I did powder coating for years and your videos are great.
The perfection of the powder coat is mainly for attaining a flawless surface finish, so if the bullet is going on display, great, but if it's going to be scraped down rifling then being blown out of a barrel and splattering against a target, who cares about pretty.
That color mix makes it look like there is a lot of lead showing through as if it were a spotty thin coating, but it's the shine off the white powder being seen through the blue.
HEY Elvis, long time no see. Glad you back. Sweet Girls has grown, we are 21 strong. We are still single stage reload and still powder coat. We are practicing on mag dump and stay accurate. Most all have mini 14 and 30. The aks are to non accurate, and the ars shoot wet or not at all. All sitting around laughing about NO ammo. We still put out about 5000 to 15000 rnds a week. from cast to powder coat to bullet. We are all of grid, waiting to go to battle after the election. Keep your powder dry, and safe. XOXO 21 times
Glad to hear from y’all!!! We are just steady and ready! Got my money on the girls! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪 God bless y’all!
I miss you man, your my mentor. Glad to see your back thanks for everything you gave to this community.
thanks for taking the time to comment!! Glad to be back!
So when are you coming back still miss your videos. Have you had a chance to check your old Gmail? I bought the 77 Elvis mold from Arsenal. Working up a concept on using PC and Gas check double insurance LoL. If you are near the Upstate area you are welcome to do a guest appearance on video.
hey brother i just want to say i love how passionate you are about casting and reloading - it's nice to see someone who is actually passionate about it!
Elvis, glad you are back and showing us new moves for powder coating BIG batches. Can't wait to try it out!
I know this video is almost 2 years old but I just wanted to say Thank you for the info you have put out. I just got a 20lb pot, bullet mold and some other stuff and your videos have been a big help. I can’t wait to get started making my own.
Someone has had to have said this by now. But. Elvis you are the Bob Ross of reloading...'The Joy of Casting'. I have been casting for years and never heard of powder coating bullets. Been doing the wax and sizing mess. Then I stumbled across one of your videos and here I am waiting for the UPS man to hand me some powder coating. Thanks for all the info.
I don't know why everyone thinks the recycle number on the bottom of makes a difference. All that number indicates is what type of plastic the container was made from and whether it can be recycled into other products. The type of plastic the container was made from has absolutely no bearing on its use for powder coating. The only possible effect is that some plastics may last longer but who is going to use one container for 100 years? Just ignore the recycle number for coating purposes.
Elvis, because of you I use the large container, and it works perfectly fine. If bullets are solidly stuck after heating, I chuck them into the lead pile for the next session. And when done coating, take the powder and throw it back in the container for the next batch. Keeps the mess down and stays really dry.
I keep sending people your way, because you are experimenting and showing as you go. LOVE IT keep going !! Love learning from you !!
Hey Elvis!
I must admit I was one of those 'stand them up' guys. Not no more. I tried your 'pile them up' method and I am quite surprised at the outcome. For the amount of work it eliminated, I will settle for 99% perfect over 100% any day. Thanks for your persistence with this method to convince us hard heads!
Thanks for that comment... Yep thats exactly what I was trying to say... just do it... As always a very little effort and you will perfect it!!! : )
I have never done a batch that big. This is good stuff ! Nobody can shake like Elvis !
Heyyyyyy! Elvis HEY!!!!! infidel 777
I'm a worry wart and a hand stacker. It looks like with all that experimenting that you've done. The temperatures are minimizing the way they stick together. You may figured it out I'm gonna go ahead and try that. looks like it's worth it. Way to go Elvis. Keep things shakin wella wella auhh hughh and thank, thank you very much 😎💪
hey Infidel777... let me know what ya think there worry wart! : ) check your comments on your new video!!
elvis ammo
Hey Elvis love the comment on my video. I plan on doing another video saying how you were right and how much I love it. Just have to do a hardness test. Going to church tomorrow I'll probably put it up after church. I've been doing some thinking and I believe I'm probably going to start posting videos on UA-cam as well as steemit. You really should take a look at steemit platform. You can look it up on UA-cam and see people talking about it. If you were to move your subscribers over, when you sign up they give you crypto currency or the equivalent value in cash. You could cash it out. I'm gonna guess you could probably get about two grand or something like that where you're at with your community. Mearly just a guess on the amount. But they really do give you money just to sign up if you have content and a community to bring over. You can educate yourself about steemit watching UA-cam videos. I really believe it's the next biggest thing since the Internet was invented. I'll be in touch Elvis. Can't thank you enough for all the time you saved me with the powder coating video it is awesome. Just have to perform a test.
Thanks Elvis Ammo, I am truly inspired!! Always a pleasure to view your videos. Thanks again for this and "Don't stop the music".
Been missing these videos. Good to have you back, Elvis.
I too joined ugetube thanks to you. This video finally convinced to jump into casting bullets. I've watched you and FortuneCookie45LC for over a year and I'm convinced I can and want to do this. Your results are exactly what I would want to achieve with the .380, 9mm and .45 ACP pistol rounds I load. As soon as I click "comment" I'm off to order a Lee melting pot, some molds, and the other stuff I'll need to get started. Thanks.... and I'll try to remember to also thank FortuneCookie.
I recently started doing Eastwood coatings due to an old Marine that I shoot with that has lead poisoning. He had to move into his daughter's house due to health reason and gave up all his reloading equipment, and most of his guns. When he showed me that he was paying over $28.00 per box for jacketed 38 SPCL, I took over reloading for him. Bought the first box of polymire coated, then used UA-cam to learn how to do it myself. One thing I found out, as you get older, the ability to shake the bullets to coat them is not as good as when you are younger. The action of a small rock tumbler or vibrator cleaner gets the action of static and a little of work hardening of the powder to keep them on the bullet. Took me many tries of different things from a butter tub (#5 plastic) to a PVC arrangement that cost me more than the single drum tumbler. Now, with the single drum rock tumbler, the powder stays on the bullets the same way you show and shacking them in a basket. And yes, I stand mine up as I coat only pistol bullets and use the trays from bought cartridges to stand them up in nose down and turn them over, 3 at a time, onto the pan they are baked in. Now, I get the same coating you do. Thanks for teaching an old dog something new. MSgt. David R. Smyth, USAF, Ret.
U make it look too ez, great video/shake. You are the “King”👍👍👍
Elvis, i want to thank you for doing these experiments for all the bullet casters. I just finished doing 2 big batches at low heat of 275 @ 12min & they came out great.
So again, thank you! And keep them coming...
Thanks for the feed back! And thanks for watching!! : )
Everson L are you preheating the bullets before you shake the powder on?
Richard Venneman, i did not preheat the bullets. I'm now using eastwood powders. But, you can preheat just a little if needed...
May be I'll try some Harborfreight this week end coming up to see...IF I'll get the same results w low heat.
Fyi, dont leave your powders in a hot/humid garage or shed. The humidity will destroy the pc. Ask me how i know...lol
Everson L Everson L I know this is probably a silly question, but I am sure it will work with a lesser amount, no? I am trying my 1st batch early next week. I am the worry warts Elvis told you about! 😎
Keep on educating us, greatly appreciated !
hay my long lost brother. Good to see you back. I though you were collecting tolls on the New Jersey turnpike. Keep up the good work .you do have a great shake .
I'm willing to bet that any flaws from them sticking to the mesh amount to nothing when the bullet is fired.
After working as a powder coating tech, I DAMN sure would have had them standing in rows on a tray not touching in an attempt to get perfection as in a production shop with flat surfaces that need to be perfect like a paint job, your expectations are much different.
Another great video the more the better and the more I can shoot the bullets look grate
good work elvis
Elvis,
I have been using your method with great success.. The box is a big key,. As is the low temp.. I let mine set for a couple of days before I load them.. I size as soon as they are cool. You,. fortune cookie45lc and hickock45 are huge influences.. Thank you for all you have done
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wow! That's one UGE batch of boolits Elvis. Thanks for the continued R&D and great video.
Thank you sir, you just answered all my questions in one video.
Okay, you’ve convinced me to give it another try. I tried it once and saw about a 50/50 success. Many showed too heavy a coating. I preheated the bullets first, must have had them too hot or didn’t shake off enough powder.
Yes you had it too hot. If you are using Eastwood Ford light blue you shouldn’t even need to preheat at all just a quick swirl and you’re done. Any issues contact me at. elvisammo@gmail.com
I recently started powder coating. I have been using Harbor Freight red for the powder coating. My coating cure temps have been apx 425F as recommended. I have had to deconstruct some of the powder coated bullets that I have loaded. In doing this I have used both a hand held kinetic puller and a RCBS cam bullet puller using my press. I have noticed that the pulled bullets are nearly absent the powder coating along the lube grooves. Has anybody else noticed this. If the powder coat is stripped during the reloading process is seems like you essentially have bare lead traveling down the barrel.
Hey Elvis. Do you no longer put them in the vibratory tumbler to get the powder on the bullets? I saw a video where you were pre-heating them to 140F for 4 minutes. Is that what you did here? You didn't mention it so I was wondering. Keep up the good work son!
Thanks Elvis
Nice Job Elvis they look great !
looks like that black tub you have there would be just right for the harbor fright 2 can wet tumbler for the powder coating
Great vid as always. Thank you sir!
I’ve found the gallon ice cream buckets from Aldis work great as well. It’s a #2 as well.
Yep .. sounds good.. I really just wanted large with a screw on lid... or good tight and sealed lid I do want the ice cream though!! : )
The number 2 inside the triangle just indicates that the container is designated as food grade.
Works great, just follow led your directions
Gorgeous! Here in England we must have inferior powder. I just can't get any colour to stick 😥. So I just ordered an eastwood gun kit. Looks like I'm going to have to gas check the bases.
You probably have oil on your lead
Elvis as I watched the video I thought that big bottle may fit on my tumbler. I might have to use both hands to keep it on but it should not take that long to coat the bullets.
I tried wet application and was very dissatisfied. Tried and true is tumbler for 5 minutes, cook for twenty. I let mine air cool-serves as a heat treat. When I water quench the wheel weight bullets they get really brittle
Thank you for a great video, Elvis. I also signed up for UGETUBE because of your recommendation.
Nice to have you back.
Mwentworth ... thanks for watching. .. good to be back!
+elvis ammo I have had a few problems with powder coated bullets causing the cases to slightly swell. not all the time, just sometimes. I was loading 38 with Missouri cast bullets with Hi-Tech coating.some of these did the same thing.i pulled the bullets from these cases . they measured .357". I have had the same thing happen with my cast bullets that I powder coated in 45acp. yes I sized them. I have not had a problem when I did traditional size and lube. it only happens part of the time, that is what drives me nuts.any advice would be nice.
Why could I not get Eastman gold powder coating to stick to lead bullets. I live at 5,100 feet elevation in AZ. 10 percent humidity most of the time, Very dry atmosphere. I used number 2 plastic container. I made 1,000 SWC, 200 grain, 45 ACP lead bullets. I resized them before powder coating. I mixed 500 45 ACP bullets at a time rolling and rotating the 14 pound container of bullets for 3 minutes, result, bullets did not stick to lead, then I heated lead bullets to 140 degrees for 4 minutes, then I rotated and rolled bullets in plastic container, bullets did not stick. What am I doing wrong? Any assistance is appreciated.
QUESTION: Mr. Elvis, does it matter what color of powder coat is used? Does one color stick (coat) better than another color? For my first time I bought Eastwood Gloss Black, for me it does not coat my cast bullets evenly. In your videos I seen the yellow, white, blue and red with good results. If not the Black, maybe something I'm doing ....... I've tried coating both room temperature and warmed cast bullets with the same result so ..... does color matter ? Thanks for all of your excellent and informative videos.
Elvis, your the king!
Hee hee, No one shakes like Elvis!!
I like that color ,,,, that's a lot of bullets
to get the color you need blue , grene, and about a third of Harbor Freight White for the specs.. I also like blue with the white or green with the white.. this color had a few crazy things mixed in.. : )
There is different types of powder coatings isnt the nylon powder coat the same coating as the nylon clad bullets? I know i have shot nylon 9mm ammo was more accurate and left barrel clean as a whistle only two specs of blue nylon in barrel after hundreds of rounds shot . the groups was tighter than regular fmj brass ammo. Nylon coated aluminum case ammo won hands down.
Elvis, I have a few questions for you if you’d be so kind:
1. How accurate are the rifle rounds?
2. How fast can I push them?
3. Does the heat of the barrel start to warp the bullet in the chamber?
do you calibrate the bullets before painting or after? if you calibrate after painting the paint does not come out?
at what point do you size your leads ? are your molds smaller than needed to compensate for powder coating ? I reload 357 and 38's and 44's
So who can really shake like Elvis? 🤠😎
Hello again Mr Elvis, resubbed. Glad youre back at it.
Great bunch of videos. Why not spray some pam no sticking on the metal tray and once out of oven toss in bucket of water
So with powder coated bullets do you load up a load like it’s a jacketed bullet or do you still load at reduced load for cast bullets
I just tried to PC some for the first time and figured I would give your method a try. Used Eastwood ford blue. But forgot you mentioned using the low heat. Also the powder was rubbing off fairly easy from the bands of the bullet or outer bearing surface, some are ok but other need a 2nd coat or something. But they didnt come out too bad most of them but had quite a few that stuck together. Enough I'm going to have to use pliers in a rag or something to separate, causing them to chip. I now know why you were using low heat.
I had watched your video but that was about a week ago. Had a forgot a few things.
Do you suggest a 2nd coat or does that work?
Are those made from Arsenal mold with your design for 223/5.56 bullets? Thanks
Good job Elvis.👍
Thank you elvis. Have a question on the 275 degrees for 15 minutes. With the lower heat does the coating hold up just as good?
Two items - almost every powder container is a number 2 and they have very good lids. The number 5s all seem to be dairy stuff like cool whip or the like and the lids I've used all seem to leak a bit - especially after a few uses.. Second, how warm was it out when you made this video? Thanks for offering yet another learning experience. cheers
good tips and questions! It was warming up by the time the bullets were out of the oven.. average temp of the bullets before coating was aprox. 50 degrees.. Ive done the same at a lot of temps though.. humidity was on the low side... And again Iv'e done this at different levels of humidity.. I always make it work
I just did my first batch using 9mm 124gr. Cast bullets with Eastwood ford light blue. I did 275 for 15 min and the stuck together bad. Any ideas more heat less heat? I did about 200 bullets.
I have been powder coating for several years..... thousands upon thousands of bullets..... the most recent "batch" was about 4,000 124gr. .356 for 9mm. I have been through the whole "learning curve".... I have never had good results with the bunched up baking method... I always have sections of bullets that have lead exposed because of being bunched up.... sections pull off when I break them apart and when I pull them off the screen.... so, I stand them all on the base, I dump them out of the shaker and use dental tweezers to stand them up.... until there is a method that results in no sticking and 100% coverage.... I will keep standing them on the base.
bippie23456 hey bippie... I don't have a good answer why some of us get perfect results using huge batch methods verses stand up method. .. but I try to show exactly how I do it and show the exact outcome.. by anyone's standards these are as good as it gets.. almost perfect and most are perfect. .. But in the end it sounds like you make it happen. that's a great thing. All the best my friend!
It must be that this method doesn't work in Central PA! LOL! ;-) I would love to find a simpler method than standing the bullets on end. I just did several thousand and there were a few that were pressed together and when I came across them and pulled them apart.... everyone of them pulled a section off exposing the lead and defeating the primary purpose of powder coating in the first place. Thanks for all the great video's........
Thanks Elvis, really interesting, cheer's
Does power coating stop leading?
Because I'm wanting to start casting 9mm and that's something im concerned about
Yes.. I shoot thousands of 9mm. No leading! I can clean it with a dry patch. .. let me know how it goes for ya. You'll be glad you did.
@@elvisammo thank you for responding i'll tell you how it goes and maybe depending on where you are in SC I'll see you at palmetto outdoors it was live oaks shooting range before palmetto state armory bought it
Nice seeing you back in the saddle Elvis. Saw you have a Dillon now, I enjoy my Dillons, however, they are not in everyone's budget. Lee makes good stuff overall, I'm not a Lee basher because I got started on Lee equipment.
Elvis Ammo...... Do you need gas checks on powder coated bullets? When are they needed?
Great job Elvis keep the videos coming
Thanks brother Willie the Bullet Man! : )
Once you do this, do you need to use any other lubrication?
I can see what people mean about the process being difficult. With a slightly larger container, shaking the bullets to coat them might become a crossfit event.
Hey Elvis. Good tip. Bullets look nice and clean. This looks faster then lube'n. Are you sizing them after this point in the process? Lee sizing dies? Thanks.
What type of. Bullet mold to use best for powder coating. Looking at 9mm Lee 124 grain Tumble lube Truncated cone. ? Thanks in advance
UGE tube. . Love it. Your the best
Elvis, Looks good man. I've been using the bed bath and beyond baskets but your wire seems to work a bit better. Man I just did some big 45's and had some so stuck together base to base that I had to get a vice on em. Great stuff.
Nathan
The Reloadin Room , hey Nathan, thats the wire i was telling you about. You can get a small roll of it at home depot in the fencing section for about $10 and it will make a lot of baskets.
GA that sounds like a heck of a deal.
I get mine off the screen while they still pretty warm. they will separate easier when you shake them in the box.
Does the coating change after sizing, like tear or scrape in the coating. What kind of sizer do you use?
Why u coat your bullet ? Is it serve any purpose or just for the look
what do you have for an oven? I have 2 toaster ovens and together can't bake more than half that many bullets.
How does the powder coating help ?
how does the powder coat respond to being melted when you cast new bullets from fired powder coated bullets??
It just floats to the top of the pot. Skim it off .
@@elvisammo ok thank you so much. Can you please make a video casting and reloading subsonic 300 blackout
So are the temps/times the SAME for 223 bullets??? Love your vids! I'm learning a lot.
Hey Elvis, I wonder if you could put that on a rotary tumbler base for a couple of minutes.
Hey Elvis what is the powder coat made of im looking for some and can’t find any . I found mica powder can that be used or no ? First time
Huh. I think Im gonna have to try your 275/15 method Elvis. Im getting pretty tired of picking each bullet out with tongs and setting them on their bases. Tedious.
Awesome bub.!! I’m just getting everything set up in new building from a move.. and I can’t wait to get started.👍🏻
Greg Dalton ... let me know how it goes! ; )
Hi there from France. Im starting in powdercoating bullets, i have seen all your videos and others also.
But i have some issues, the powder wont stick the bullets.
I wash it with acetone, pre heat, number 5 container....
I only do one single bullet that stick the powder and bake it, the result is nice. I cant understand.
Maybe the powder ?
I cant find the estwood powder.
I reply to myself. My problem is solved using eastwood powder.
The major issue comes from the powder quality.
Glad to hear I am going to start doing this and appreciate the experience of others in my position.
try using one of those rock tumblers..
If you want UGE to succeed, you need to upload to the complete video to UGE and use UA-cam to make nothing but a 10 second video telling people to go to UGE to watch the actual content. Uploading the complete video to UA-cam won't change a damned thing. If you're going to support an alternative platform like UGE or Full30, you need to actually support it and use UA-cam as a redirect only. Stop working for Google! Make Google work for YOU!
Don't put UGE in with "full dirty" or Patreon. UGETUBE needs apps to be successful . 💥🔫
LOL... I just use a colander and put that in the oven then drop the whole mess into a 5 gallon bucket of water. and yeah.. . I don't care if I get a mix of powders which seem to come out a kind of brownish green..
Wait you said the best way was to heat the bullets at 140 for 4 minutes. Why did you skip that?
that is the rule for Harbor freight powder and any other that give ya a hard time coating... Mainly Harbor Freight! The eastwood and some others only need a swirl in the bowl... Nothing More... : )
you should make a hand crank for the tub so it spins when you turn handle
Elvis its time to get back at it.
I can't like this enough
so in this vid you did 275f for 15 min? and you say less heat will make a softer bullet? if I wanted to cast real hard bullets for my 44 mag or 45-70, would you recommend a higher heat? what temp and for how long?
This lower temp will actually give ya a bullet that is a little harder. I think this is a good temp for ya to start with for 44 - 4570 . This temp also allows the bullets to separate nicer.
From here, do you go to resize these? What do you do about the sections that are wiped out when resizing. For the life of me I just can’t get this powder coating or either Alox or 45-45-10 Tumble Lube , or pan lube and when to resize them in my Lee resizer? Do you think it is because I spent 64 of my 69 years in New Jersey? 😎
elvis ammo ha... I been in Yuma, AZ for the past 3 years. Would not give it up for anything. My one daughter is in Thomasville NC. She loves it there. Yankees.. I’ll tell ya.
do u size these first, or do u just paint them?
Hey Elvis, first off your videos are awesome and down to earth. I'm going to start reloading 9mm(124gr) & 40s&w(180gr) pc bullets. What is your choice of powder and load data? So far I've found Ramshot TrueBlue seems to be the best reviews for powder.
By now you probably have your answer but I do 124 9mm with accurate #5, I don't know if it's best or not but it is pretty daggon clean burning and for plinking I have great accuracy, honestly I like my handloads with that a bit better than seller&bellot 124 ammo
My 1911 really likes .356 diameter bullets with 5.7grains of #5
Powder isn't nearly as big of a deal as shooter skill is. One of my match directors loves very small charges of titegroup for light competition loads but I don't like how dense that powder is (too easy to not spot a double charge) and a little hotter than absolute minimum tends to be a bit more reliable, instead of running as low as you can go. Win 231 and HP 38 are my favorite but red dot works well also. I run 160 rn in my 40 for competitions and 125 tc in the 9mm for pistol and carbine. My 40 loads do feel similar to factory 9mm and I find a consistent load for the powder that is readily available. Each gun gets a pet load tailored to it and then I load in bulk as needed.
Hey ElvisJust a quick question......if you powder coat rifle bullets do you still need to use a gas check?? Thinking about .223 cast bullets.Thanks,Mike C
Mike Cabe .. I don't check them but some do. I have checked before pc. then powdercoat. the difference is inconclusive. . for me
So doing that doesnt make the bullets too big to fit back into the brass?
Have to run them through a sizing die.
Where are you posting videos?